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  • [02:11:20] <BarryMead> Beagle Newby has a couple of questions (My xm revc test microsd card quit working. where can I find an image to reprogram it?
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  • [02:14:03] <BarryMead> The original micro sd card has a sticker on it that says "xM TEST beta 3.30" does anyone know where I can find this image to repair my Beagle Board xM Revision C micro SD card?
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  • [02:16:07] <prpplague> BarryMead: try the validation images
  • [02:16:12] <prpplague> BarryMead: search on elinux.org
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  • [02:28:09] <BarryMead> prpplague: I downloaded this one validation-GNOME-try5-image-beagleboard-sd-4GiB.img.gz do you happen to know if it is a good one?
  • [02:28:27] <prpplague> BarryMead: did you search elinux?
  • [02:28:54] <BarryMead> Yes and that was the best on I could find that said it was for the xM
  • [02:29:55] <BarryMead> It is copying to the micro sd card right now and I will try it when it is done.
  • [02:32:43] <BarryMead> Someone was complaining that this version had a bug, though, they said that the EHCI (usb port) power was inverted again.
  • [02:33:51] <BarryMead> They posted a patch to fix this bug, but it was a source code patch, and that would mean that I would have to have a working roostock or bitbake system ready to apply the patch and correct the bug.
  • [02:34:02] <prpplague> BarryMead: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
  • [02:36:06] <BarryMead> Thanks, I bookmarked that "very Valuable" page that I couldn't find with a 100 google searches.
  • [02:39:41] <thurbad> can anyone recommend a jtag debugger?
  • [02:40:42] <prpplague> yes
  • [02:40:53] <Matt_O> I just ordered an AVR jtag debugger.. but I'm guessing that's not what you are referring to :D
  • [02:40:54] <prpplague> but i am biased
  • [02:41:16] <prpplague> Matt_O: jtag in general is jtag, its more of the software that is controlling it
  • [02:41:47] <Matt_O> is that right
  • [02:42:07] <thurbad> there are some different pin configs out there as well, aen't there?
  • [02:42:12] <Matt_O> what does the beagleboard jtag let you do? step through ARM instructions?
  • [02:42:58] <prpplague> thurbad: yes there are wide range of pinouts, but generally the same signals
  • [02:43:16] <BarryMead> What does the acronym "MLO" mean?
  • [02:43:32] <Matt_O> hehe.. MLO is my dad's initials so I get thrown off
  • [02:43:35] <thurbad> also what debuggers are out there.. the only one I've really heard about is code composer studio, which appears to be windows based
  • [02:43:37] <prpplague> Main LOader iirc
  • [02:44:10] <prpplague> the basically what you can do is limited only with the software that you are using
  • [02:44:29] <prpplague> for most people, they will never need a jtag debugger for OMAP hardware
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  • [02:45:05] <BarryMead> prpplague: In the context of which image files are more correct for the Beagle Board xM Rev C what does MLO mean?
  • [02:45:10] <Matt_O> I figured, yeah.. because gdb should be adequate
  • [02:45:18] <thurbad> I don't mind windows, as long as it's compatible with the linux built codebase that OE genereates
  • [02:45:28] <prpplague> BarryMead: i do not understand the question
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  • [02:46:37] <thurbad> yeah, I'm needing to step through kernel code on a custom board, and guessing with printk is getting tedious
  • [02:46:48] <ds2> Lauterbach or go bug free
  • [02:46:51] <ds2> :D
  • [02:48:01] <prpplague> thurbad: is the custom board omap3 based?
  • [02:48:35] <thurbad> the board is loosley based on the beagle, but we got rid of that do everything power management chip
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  • [02:49:53] <prpplague> thurbad: ahh, debugging omap3 linux kernel via jtag on something like openocd is not up to the task
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  • [02:50:13] <prpplague> thurbad: you probably can do some of the debugging via kgdb
  • [02:52:28] <thurbad> I'm more concerned with that it works and doesn't have a steep learning curve over price
  • [02:52:42] <thurbad> prie is a consideration of course, but not the primary one
  • [02:53:08] <prpplague> thurbad: lauterbach base is going to set you back about $3k
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  • [02:53:55] <thurbad> and the jtag connection is separate, or part of the package?
  • [02:54:22] <prpplague> thurbad: all together
  • [02:54:53] <thurbad> ok, that's not too bad... that's about the price range we've been seeing
  • [02:57:06] <thurbad> it's cheaper than paying me to work for a couple weeks with inferior tools or something with a steep learning curve
  • [02:59:49] <thurbad> what's the name of the actual product?
  • [03:00:49] <Matt_O> prpplague, what do you do as a profession? are you involved with the beagleboard "team" ?
  • [03:01:36] <prpplague> Matt_O: i am currently contract with TI on their OMAP4 and OMAP5 special projects, and i am partners at TinCanTools
  • [03:02:00] <Matt_O> prpplague, awesome
  • [03:02:43] <Matt_O> prpplague, not sure if you had anything to do with this, but I really like the s-video out support :)
  • [03:03:05] <prpplague> Matt_O: you mean on the beagle?
  • [03:03:09] <prpplague> thurbad: http://www.lauterbach.com/frames.html?bdm.html
  • [03:03:29] <Matt_O> prpplague, yes but I've read the OMAP3 TRM (errr browsed) and see that it is the OMAP3 which provides it
  • [03:03:38] <Matt_O> beagle is just exposing it from what I can see
  • [03:03:54] * prpplague is only apart of the omap4 and omap5 projects, not the omap3 projects
  • [03:03:59] <Matt_O> ah
  • [03:04:09] <Matt_O> well... still sounds awesome
  • [03:04:54] <jkridner> koen: pong
  • [03:05:19] <jkridner> wmat: yes I did have slides. I thought they were already up on elinux.org.
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  • [03:05:39] <jkridner> prpplague: pong. are the trainers in stock?
  • [03:05:50] <prpplague> jkridner: yep
  • [03:06:08] <prpplague> jkridner: both revC and xM versions
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  • [03:10:36] <prpplague> jkridner: the expansion header breakout is out for production
  • [03:10:54] <prpplague> jkridner: the barker layout is finishing this week
  • [03:11:27] <prpplague> jkridner: we are making changes to the LVDS board, and will have the layout done next week
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  • [03:12:45] <wmat> jkridner: heh, you can post them yourself or send them to me if you like.
  • [03:15:36] <jkridner> wmat: are you asking for different slides than http://elinux.org/images/b/ba/Elc2011_kridner.pdf ?
  • [03:17:37] <jkridner> oh! the hands-on workshop!
  • [03:17:44] <jkridner> yeah, those are different slides.
  • [03:17:47] <jkridner> doh!
  • [03:17:58] <jkridner> thanks for the reminder.
  • [03:19:41] <wmat> jkridner: yes, the workshop slides, if there are any
  • [03:20:32] <jkridner> it was very dynamic and I pulled mostly existing slides from a bunch of presentations depending on the questions, but I can/should pull together a deck that represents what was covered.
  • [03:21:56] <wmat> it's up to you, but if yo decide not to, just note on the wiki that there were no slides so there's not just a blank space
  • [03:24:01] <ds2> Get a lauterbach and be done with
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  • [03:24:24] <ds2> jkridner: ping
  • [03:24:30] <jkridner> pong
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  • [03:27:52] <thurbad> do I need any attachment modules to support the CPU, or is that built in?
  • [03:28:39] <ds2> check with their sales guys but the ones I know of don't need anything else. just get support for the A8
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  • [03:29:25] <prpplague> ds2: the one i have needs the 20pin to 14-pin TI
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  • [03:30:42] <ds2> prpplague: you're probally right... the A9 one I had access to only had the stock arm connectors
  • [03:31:39] <ds2> but that's a 5 min job to build one
  • [03:34:04] <thurbad> does the lauterbach support linux as a host or does it need to be windows?
  • [03:34:07] <BarryMead> Is anyone using the xM Rev C?
  • [03:34:32] <ds2> talk to lauterbach sales
  • [03:34:46] <thurbad> alrighty, thanks
  • [03:35:05] <ds2> thurbad: aren't you in the bay area?
  • [03:35:25] <thurbad> no, just north of LA
  • [03:35:36] <thurbad> but I'm in Austin at the moment
  • [03:35:51] <ds2> thurbad: come up to SJC this week. I'd think the Lauterbach folks would have a booth at ESC
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  • [05:02:28] <_av500_> thurbad: lauterbach or xds560
  • [05:02:37] <_av500_> lauterbach runs on linux fine
  • [05:02:49] <_av500_> xds560 runs with ccs, windows
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  • [05:03:11] <_av500_> linux version of ccs exists, but dunno about jtag support
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  • [05:16:26] <aarti> hi all, i have beagle-xm and it has battery connected over it, voltage across the battery is 2.1 V when board is not connected to powersupply, when power is connected my hwclock is showing correct time,but when power is not connected to board for long time nd when we connect the power at that time my hwclock is not showing the correct time
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  • [05:17:51] <thurbad> you have an rtc clock battery on the beagle xM?
  • [05:18:07] <aarti> thurbad, yes
  • [05:20:10] <aarti> when power is on for board at tht time it shows correct time but if i remove power for long time nd connect it again at that time it does not show the correct date nd time
  • [05:30:07] <_av500_> and its the correct battery?
  • [05:33:47] <aarti> ya it's one which manual suggest
  • [05:34:50] <kblin> then I hope you typoed the voltage
  • [05:36:40] <aarti> means
  • [05:38:31] <kblin> it should have 3.1 V
  • [05:39:44] <aarti> kblin, when power off to the board?
  • [05:41:26] <kblin> the voltage shouldn't drop under load, should it?
  • [05:41:46] <kblin> I'm a biologist, not an electric engineer
  • [05:42:25] <aarti> But when I checked the manual for PMIC .. it says that things shld be OK as long as battery voltage is above 1.8V
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  • [05:45:12] <kblin> ok, whatever, I just remember looking at the manual and the battery mentioned there certainly has 3.1 V
  • [05:45:21] <ds2> the PMIC runs off 1.8V? wow... 2AA powered Beagles :D
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  • [06:54:27] <Russ> "Simply put oil in the fuel tank before putting the oil in the road map is to be mixed evenly."
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  • [07:35:42] <l4> hello, is it expected for sdma memory transfer to take longer than a simple memcpy?
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  • [07:41:21] <av500> yes
  • [07:47:05] <l4> is it by design or because of wrong register configuration?
  • [07:48:49] <jacekowski> by design
  • [07:49:11] <av500> yes
  • [07:49:43] <av500> l4: but, you can run it in parallel to the arm
  • [07:49:48] <jacekowski> sdma isn't supposed be fast(er) it's supposed to offload your cpu
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  • [07:50:03] <av500> same with dsp
  • [07:50:18] <av500> its not always faster
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  • [07:57:51] <JLaurin> Hi, Me and rikha just got a thesis work that is going to be developed on the beagleboard. We are currently using Windows XP and we're trying to find some information on how to get the beagleboard connected and setup on XP. Can you recommend software that's going to be needed (minicom on XP?) and some easy steps how to get started. Thanks!
  • [07:58:04] <av500> hyperterminal
  • [07:58:10] <av500> or any other term SW
  • [07:58:17] <av500> but in the long run, get a linux pc
  • [07:58:31] <Russ> yes, you are insane to do linux development on a windows pc
  • [08:01:06] <JLaurin> Just as I thought, cause I couldn't find anything that made sense when googling. We'll get a Linux PC, thanks! :)
  • [08:01:27] <Russ> :)
  • [08:01:50] <Russ> I have to use a windows PC at work and use a VM within it for linux development, still a nightmare
  • [08:01:52] <l4> av500: is edma any better at mem-mem transfers?
  • [08:03:13] <JLaurin> Yeah, found some information on how to use VMWare on Windows, but is seemed to be too troublesome to work in that way
  • [08:03:23] <JLaurin> it*
  • [08:04:55] <jacekowski> JLaurin: hyper terminal or tera term
  • [08:05:16] <jacekowski> Russ: i do all my linux development in MS visual studio
  • [08:05:31] <Russ> weirdie
  • [08:05:36] <JLaurin> Does it work well?
  • [08:06:01] <jacekowski> once you get all toolchain configured and makefile written there is nothing better
  • [08:06:04] <Russ> how do you git pull, git commit, etc?
  • [08:06:10] <jacekowski> SVN
  • [08:06:18] <jacekowski> there are svn plugins for vs
  • [08:06:26] <Russ> right, but a huge amount of projects are now git
  • [08:06:31] <jacekowski> and i don't do all that fancy new stuff
  • [08:06:39] <jacekowski> if it's git only i avoid it
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  • [08:06:51] <Russ> so, little things, like the kernel, just avoid it?
  • [08:06:52] <Badiss> heard about tortoise git ?
  • [08:07:06] <Russ> its like some people enjoy pain
  • [08:07:11] <Badiss> actually this is good stuff
  • [08:07:23] <jacekowski> and besides, there are GIT plugins for visual studio
  • [08:07:37] <Russ> what advantage can that possibly give you?
  • [08:07:49] <jacekowski> usable IDE
  • [08:07:51] <jacekowski> not some linux crap
  • [08:07:57] <Russ> ever hear of emacs? vi?
  • [08:08:04] <jacekowski> yeah,
  • [08:08:05] <Russ> and how the hell do you compile a native version to run
  • [08:08:10] <Russ> eclipse?
  • [08:08:12] <jacekowski> it's for masochists
  • [08:08:46] <Russ> can't say I've ever understood the IDE mentality
  • [08:09:03] <jacekowski> i want IDE that works out of the box
  • [08:09:05] <Russ> gets even worse when you realize that different toolsets force you into different IDEs
  • [08:09:08] <Badiss> radical way of thinking isn't it ?
  • [08:09:15] <Russ> oh, you want to do Xilinx? You'll need to use ISE
  • [08:09:31] <jacekowski> not text editor with some additional features
  • [08:09:32] <Russ> Android? eclipse
  • [08:09:52] <Russ> I'd rather just use an editor I know rather than have to switch around all the time
  • [08:10:06] <jacekowski> that's why i do everything on vs
  • [08:10:18] <jacekowski> i use single ide for everything
  • [08:10:21] <Russ> but then you have to adapt the project's build system and source control to VS
  • [08:10:24] <Russ> why?!?1
  • [08:10:36] <jacekowski> source control is already integrated into vs
  • [08:10:44] <Russ> is baazar integrated?
  • [08:10:44] <jacekowski> like out of the box
  • [08:10:48] <Russ> hg?
  • [08:10:54] <av500> who care for bzr and hg?
  • [08:10:56] <av500> cares
  • [08:10:58] <jacekowski> there are plugins for pretty much every major one
  • [08:11:02] <Russ> git?
  • [08:11:09] <jacekowski> git svn and hg
  • [08:11:14] <jacekowski> from ones i've seen
  • [08:11:18] <jacekowski> and cvs
  • [08:11:21] <jacekowski> and darcs
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  • [08:11:33] <jacekowski> not sure about bzr but who uses it anyways
  • [08:11:48] <Russ> it just makes no sense to me why you'd want the extra pain just to say lookie, Its all in one window
  • [08:11:49] <av500> as long as you cross compile, windows can be used just as linux, thats true
  • [08:12:16] <jacekowski> Russ: because i have single IDE that behaves in exactly same way all the time
  • [08:12:31] <Russ> only if you spend the time and energy adapting the project to the IDE
  • [08:12:47] <jacekowski> not really
  • [08:12:48] <av500> you can still use the IDE as an editor
  • [08:12:54] <JLaurin> Seemes to be quite split opinions on this topic :D
  • [08:12:54] <av500> and then call "make"
  • [08:12:55] <Russ> and since 99% of your time is in the editor, I fail to see the advantage
  • [08:13:06] <av500> Russ: so its 99% in vs
  • [08:13:16] <Russ> I mean the editor portion of vs
  • [08:13:24] <jacekowski> and VS editor is better than any other
  • [08:13:29] <Russ> heh
  • [08:13:46] <Badiss> JLaurin: you're right
  • [08:14:18] <av500> most projects call "make" to build and most IDEs can be tricked to call "make" when pressing Fx
  • [08:14:30] <av500> so "integration" can be very simple
  • [08:16:14] <av500> in the past, we did it the other way round. The TI arm compiler only had a windows version, so we ran it under wine in linux :)
  • [08:16:14] <JLaurin> I'm thinking of the whole scenario in this way: 1) I would use Windows if it doesn't need a huge amount of extra work configuring and writing makefiles etc. 2) I'm sitting on my work computer, so I need to access some administrational thingies which also needs some work
  • [08:16:25] <JLaurin> So the question is, which way to take
  • [08:16:45] <Russ> then you have to install cygwin *and* do any updates necessary
  • [08:16:52] <av500> JLaurin: if you want to build/work on something like angstrom, go full linux
  • [08:17:15] <av500> if you just want to cross compile a simple SW without many dependencies, that can work under windows too
  • [08:17:22] <JLaurin> I guess this is necessary for Android development?
  • [08:17:26] <av500> but dont expect much help from e.g. here
  • [08:17:37] <Russ> if you are just developing android apps, windows is fine
  • [08:17:46] <av500> yes
  • [08:17:55] <av500> but im not sure you can compile android itself under windows
  • [08:18:12] <av500> but goog will tell you
  • [08:19:26] <av500> JLaurin: but since you are a student or similar, where is the issue in getting a PC?
  • [08:19:49] <JLaurin> It shouldn't be any problem
  • [08:19:58] <av500> so, get one, install linux, go
  • [08:20:24] <av500> then you can also write "linux powrz" on your resume
  • [08:20:38] <JLaurin> Yepp, just need to contact the administrational people and it should be ok
  • [08:20:38] <av500> but I will see thru it :)
  • [08:20:45] <JLaurin> hehe ;)
  • [08:20:59] <av500> if you ever apply here :)
  • [08:21:18] <JLaurin> not impossible :)
  • [08:22:43] <JLaurin> But you'll hear from me, there's surely going to be some issues that will need expertise
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  • [08:24:58] <JLaurin> Thanks for the help! Now I'll go hunting for the administrational people so I can get started :)
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  • [08:25:51] <JLaurin> see you
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  • [09:19:11] <Russ> oi, I hate reviewing papers and choosing to give a no-go
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  • [09:24:01] <av500> fail 'em all
  • [09:24:33] <Russ> yes, but someday that will be my paper
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  • [09:24:46] <av500> ah yes, peer review
  • [09:24:54] <av500> the academic [like] button
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  • [09:25:12] <av500> ah yes, peer review
  • [09:25:14] <av500> the academic [like] button
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  • [09:25:23] <Russ> hmm..ctrl+r in the shell does something very different in xchat than in the shell
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  • [10:25:05] <aarti> hi all , I have builded linux kernel 2.6.37 using openembedded. my board is booting properly but it shows some errors like http://pastebin.com/3QzfAhzp at that time of booting
  • [10:25:28] <aarti> any idea how i can resolve it?
  • [10:25:44] <av500> that is just a warning
  • [10:26:23] <aarti> how can i remove tht warnings
  • [10:26:38] <av500> no idea
  • [10:26:58] * av500 blames koen
  • [10:27:36] <aarti> :)
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  • [10:31:47] <NotTooDumb3> av500, Hi..by selecting the option to display standard color bar in VENC_F_CONTROL, i am seeing the standard color bar getting displayed, can you please tell me where exactly in DSS2 driver Angstrom logo is getting copied to GFX window base address after selecting external video source option in VENC_F_CONTROL?
  • [10:32:56] <av500> it is not
  • [10:34:06] <av500> the dss driver has no "copy_angstrom_logo" function
  • [10:35:51] <NotTooDumb3> hm, when does the logo get copied to GFX window address area?
  • [10:37:38] <av500> nothing gets copied
  • [10:37:52] <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/0
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  • [10:43:24] <koen> av500: it looks like roger is going to be at linuxtag for the setup and I'll be there later in the week
  • [10:48:02] <av500> im arriving for the parking lot event
  • [10:48:41] <koen> when's that?
  • [10:48:54] <av500> thu eve
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  • [10:56:42] <koen> apple store is down
  • [10:57:04] <koen> let's see what kind of white version they will launch now
  • [10:58:46] <NotTooDumb3> av500, dss does not do memcpy of image, but gdm application must be doing the copy right?
  • [11:00:11] <av500> NotTooDumb3: well, use space apps write pixels into the framebuffer
  • [11:00:14] <av500> user
  • [11:00:23] <av500> you can call that "copy"
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  • [11:02:11] <thurbad> I think he's referring to the beagle logo in the kernel, which is compiled in as a header most likely
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  • [11:03:15] <koen> av500: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/images/av500-opencv-image-glibc-ipk-2011.03-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
  • [11:03:18] <NotTooDumb3> thurbad, i am thinking about the angstrom logo with status bar that comes up during board bring up..
  • [11:03:44] <av500> thurbad: no
  • [11:03:59] <av500> koen: blog about it
  • [11:06:50] <thurbad> oh, psplash, the image is compiled in as a header there
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  • [11:07:48] <thurbad> that one I know for certain
  • [11:07:59] <av500> sure
  • [11:08:03] <av500> but not the issue here
  • [11:08:10] <av500> thurbad: got your board to boot?
  • [11:08:51] <thurbad> still working on the drivers for the chip we replaced the twl40340 functionality with
  • [11:09:11] <av500> because you asked for jtag
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  • [11:09:16] <thurbad> (yes I know that the beagle doesn't actually use a twl4030)
  • [11:09:44] <thurbad> but that's what the drivers are :)
  • [11:10:13] <thurbad> and the actual part number is much longer and harder to remember
  • [11:10:25] <av500> tps something
  • [11:10:37] <thurbad> yeah
  • [11:10:58] <av500> actually, there are 3 divisions inside TI that make TPS chips
  • [11:11:04] <av500> thats why there are so many of them
  • [11:12:21] <thurbad> yeah we're using a tps chip still, just one that's not so monolithic :P
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  • [11:16:26] <mru> iiuc the tps<whatever> is pretty much equivalent to the twl4030
  • [11:16:33] <koen> av500: and they all write TPS reports
  • [11:16:47] <mru> minor silicon changes but software compatible
  • [11:16:58] <mru> koen: with cover sheets?
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  • [11:27:17] <koen> mru: yes, didn't you get the memo?
  • [11:27:26] <NotTooDumb3> Are these two lines required in my driver? DISPC_TIMING_H (var->left_margin << 20 | var->right_margin << 8 | var->hsync_len);
  • [11:27:27] <NotTooDumb3> DISPC_TIMING_V( var->upper_margin <<20 | var->lower_margin << 8 | var->vsync_len); How is it possible that for a working driver, register contents of DISPC_TIMING_H and DISPC_TIMING_V are zeroes.
  • [11:28:52] <mru> koen: I think the printer must have jammed
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  • [11:32:44] <thurbad> lmao, I'm getting better speed with phone tethering than in room internet at the hotel I'm in
  • [11:39:41] <ynezz> no wonder, everyobody is trying to watch HD porn online these days...
  • [11:40:58] <thurbad> I heard att just incorporated a monthly cap on DSL of 150GB for non uverse subscribers
  • [11:41:17] <thurbad> 250GB for uverse users
  • [11:42:49] <thurbad> my brother probably downloads that in a week with netflix
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  • [11:50:11] <XorA|gone> 250GB is a whole lot of HD content :-D
  • [11:51:01] <XorA|gone> 7.8 days worth
  • [11:51:27] <av500> no
  • [11:51:49] <XorA|gone> based on the typical bitrates used for HD content on TPB
  • [11:51:54] <av500> ah
  • [11:52:04] <av500> you assume that lofi shit
  • [11:52:18] <av500> a blurry has 50GB, no?
  • [11:52:27] <av500> so 250GB is 5 blurries
  • [11:52:58] <XorA|gone> Im still confused by bluray, it seems to be a method to make bad DVDs look worse and take up monstrous amounts of space
  • [11:53:23] <XorA|gone> I do have some very pretty looking ones though :-)
  • [11:54:28] <XorA|gone> seems quality is inversely proportional to film popularity :-)
  • [11:55:36] <thurbad> heh
  • [11:55:57] <av500> XorA|gone: well, blurry can look good, but it does not have to
  • [11:56:05] <av500> it can be blurry too
  • [11:56:31] <av500> upsampled SD content with 50mbit/s pixel noise....
  • [11:58:37] <XorA|gone> the world of video is a strange world :-D
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  • [12:04:34] <koen> XorA|gone: it helps to browse the interwebs to see if it's an upscale or complete retransfer from film
  • [12:05:22] <koen> e.g. Alien I is a retransfer from film, but they used a really grainy type to shoot it
  • [12:05:28] <koen> so you get 50GB of analog noise :)
  • [12:05:36] <av500> retransfer gains you little
  • [12:05:40] <av500> yeah
  • [12:08:10] <XorA|gone> they seem to be just playing the number game
  • [12:09:21] <XorA|gone> I tend to rent most films these days anyway
  • [12:09:35] <Matt_O1> good morning, guys.. (and I do mean morning.. hehehe)
  • [12:09:38] <av500> I help the MPAA to preserve them
  • [12:09:47] * Matt_O1 is now known as Matt_O
  • [12:09:52] <av500> and I make sure the backup copies are OK
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  • [12:12:33] * XorA|gone suspects the MPAA can afford bigger guns than pirates, and probably bigger battleships as well
  • [12:13:24] <aarti> how can i set bootargs in uEnv.txt
  • [12:13:52] <thurbad> uEnv.txt?
  • [12:15:12] <aarti> ya i have linux-2.6.37 tht u-boot requires uEnv.txt instead of old boot.scr
  • [12:15:41] <thurbad> do you have a different version of u-boot?
  • [12:15:47] <aarti> ya
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  • [12:15:51] <aarti> latest one
  • [12:16:08] <av500> thurbad: yes, it was changed
  • [12:16:13] <av500> no more need to mkimage
  • [12:16:22] <thurbad> oh... ~.~
  • [12:16:35] <aarti> so how can i set bootargs
  • [12:16:52] <aarti> in uEnv.xt
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  • [12:18:44] <Matt_O> aarti, it never occurred to me that you could
  • [12:21:02] <aarti> Matt_O, i m using latest u-boot nd in my boot.scr omapfb.mode=tv it was working fine with old u-boot
  • [12:21:08] <Matt_O> aarti, on my SD card (which came with my xM), the bootargs are embedded inside the mmcargs environment variable
  • [12:21:21] <Matt_O> so when I manually want to set s-video mode, I've gotten this to work:
  • [12:21:35] <Matt_O> setenv mmcargs 'setenv bootargs console=${console} ${optargs} mpurate=${mpurate} buddy=${buddy} vram=${vram} omapfb.mode=tv:ntsc omapdss.def_disp=tv root=${mmcroot} rootfstype=${mmcrootfstype}'
  • [12:21:49] <Matt_O> it may be that you can just modify that and put it in uEnv and see what happens
  • [12:21:53] <av500> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/u2A51YpBJcs/discussion
  • [12:22:18] <aarti> Matt_O, it doesn't work with uEnv, i checked
  • [12:22:31] <aarti> default bootargs comming thr
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  • [12:23:27] <Matt_O> aarti, hmm... well it looks like it must partially work or else why would it be there? :)
  • [12:24:02] <av500> dvimode=1024x768-16@60
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  • [12:24:17] <Matt_O> aarti, I'd reboot my beagle and toy with it right now but... I am loving having ethernet working :D
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  • [12:24:47] <av500> just a few more packets.... just a few...
  • [12:26:03] <aarti> av500, i dnt want to use dvi i want to use tv
  • [12:26:28] <av500> that was an example
  • [12:27:49] <Matt_O> aarti, I fiddled with TV mode a lot and that line I pasted above is what finally worked for me.. most other things I tried failed miserably
  • [12:28:39] <Matt_O> aarti, there does not seem to be a convenience environment variable to enable tv mode, so you need to go to more pain to get it to work than just setting something like "dvimode"
  • [12:29:55] <aarti> av500, they removed "setenv" frm tht line only
  • [12:30:01] <av500> indeed
  • [12:30:10] <av500> since .scr was a script
  • [12:30:15] <aarti> ya
  • [12:30:18] <av500> and uenv has env vars
  • [12:30:54] <Matt_O> looks like you can still set the vars using {varname}={value} though
  • [12:31:39] <av500> sure
  • [12:31:54] <av500> would be pretty useless otherwise
  • [12:32:12] <Matt_O> so not sure why aarti is complaining about them removing setenv
  • [12:32:20] <av500> aarti: put a few printfs into uboot and you will see if it picks up your Uenv or not...
  • [12:32:36] <aarti> av500, ok
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  • [12:42:54] <aarti> it shows in starting only readenv() fails
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  • [13:57:42] <jkridner> dm8tbr: any update?
  • [13:57:58] <av500> jkridner: did you ask for the group reg?
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  • [13:58:22] <jkridner> av500: I did last year and again this year.
  • [13:58:32] <jkridner> is there a new way for me to ask?
  • [13:59:15] <jkridner> any gentoo users here? I'm trying to compile pusb (omap-boot-utils) on my Mac using Gentoo Prefix and 'emerge libusb' isn't giving me usb.h.
  • [13:59:41] <jkridner> I'm wondering if that is part of the linux-headers instead.
  • [14:01:02] <mlip> jkridner, $ equery belongs /usr/include/usb.h
  • [14:01:02] <mlip> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/include/usb.h in *... ]
  • [14:01:02] <mlip> dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12-r5 (/usr/include/usb.h)
  • [14:01:23] <jkridner> :(
  • [14:02:29] * mru prefers using qfile, much faster
  • [14:03:03] <djlewis> gm, sunshine this morning. Its been so long.
  • [14:03:05] <jkridner> I have usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h, but not usr/include/usb.h.
  • [14:03:09] <jkridner> oh, that is 0.1...
  • [14:03:23] <jkridner> I'll install libusb-compat to try to get that...
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  • [14:03:26] <jkridner> maybe it changed.
  • [14:05:23] <mlip> mru, thx I did use equery for all those tasks until now, but qfile seems to be really fast ;)
  • [14:05:28] <jkridner> k, emerge libusb-compat worked for me.
  • [14:06:34] <mru> mlip: all the q* tools are nice
  • [14:07:01] <av500> qt?
  • [14:07:03] * av500 hides
  • [14:07:43] <mlip> mru, I just noticed that they are actually versions, this makes me happy
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  • [14:09:25] <mlip> av500, gentoo portage tools! ;)
  • [14:09:41] <av500> mlip: I gathered that much
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  • [14:11:07] <mlip> mru just pointed me to the compiled versions (starting with q) of the tools (making me using the python scripted ones look stupid)
  • [14:18:01] <Sen508> I got a problem with the HDMI out
  • [14:18:24] <Sen508> cant get may Beagle XM to display anything through it
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  • [14:24:09] <thurbad> are you using a DVI monitor connection or HDMI?
  • [14:24:40] <Sen508> yes
  • [14:24:56] <Sen508> I'm using my pc monitor
  • [14:24:59] <av500> you cannot answer yes to an "or" question
  • [14:25:14] <Sen508> sorry
  • [14:25:17] <thurbad> it's not true HDMI, and some monitors don't support it
  • [14:25:41] <Sen508> I've tried it with my LCD TV
  • [14:26:10] <thurbad> but the dvi port using an HDMI-DVI cable should always work
  • [14:26:27] <thurbad> what's your bootargs then?
  • [14:27:19] <Sen508> but anyway to find out if my monitor support it or not ?
  • [14:27:51] <Sen508> I used the default bootargs coming with angstrom demo img
  • [14:28:46] <thurbad> do you have the specs for your monitor?
  • [14:28:49] <Sen508> my boot args : http://pastebin.com/NieyLzre
  • [14:29:06] <av500> 720p
  • [14:29:08] <Sen508> my monitor is LG w1953T
  • [14:29:09] <av500> what monitor?
  • [14:29:15] <av500> why is it always LG? :)
  • [14:29:27] <Sen508> :|
  • [14:29:39] <Sen508> LG is problematic ???
  • [14:29:43] <av500> that a 19" pc monitor, unlikely to do 720p
  • [14:29:50] <av500> 720p is a tv timing
  • [14:29:56] <av500> ah sorry
  • [14:30:00] <av500> itsa full hd
  • [14:30:03] <av500> so it should
  • [14:31:20] <Sen508> I'm using this bootargs (user.scr) too : http://pastebin.com/i4f25Ayx
  • [14:32:12] <Sen508> did mess with it and change to : setenv dvimode 1366x768MR-24@60 (my monitor native res)
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  • [14:33:02] <Sen508> but it wont work
  • [14:33:29] <Sen508> and return alot error like this in the bootlog : [ 106.225524] omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST, disabling LCD
  • [14:33:58] <thurbad> this is what I use 1280x720MR-24@60... works with my LG monitor, but I think that's it's native resolution
  • [14:34:47] <Sen508> Ok
  • [14:35:10] <Sen508> I think i'll give it a shoot now
  • [14:35:44] <XorA|gone> beagleboareds cant drive my BenQ monitor at all
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  • [14:39:51] <av500> XorA|gone: they canr drive my dell either :(
  • [14:39:53] <Sen508> nothing changes
  • [14:39:54] <av500> cant
  • [14:40:45] <XorA|gone> av500: I lack the 1337 scoping skills to work out why
  • [14:41:03] <av500> what res?
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  • [14:42:32] <XorA|gone> av500: I forget now, I lost interest in solving the issue as they work on my TV
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  • [14:50:24] <siegen> hi! i am trying to boot a kernel 2.6.37 and while booting stops at this point:
  • [14:50:43] <siegen> Starting syslogd/klogd: done
  • [14:50:44] <siegen> INIT: Id "S" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
  • [14:51:01] <siegen> i changed the console bootarg to ttO2
  • [14:51:06] <siegen> sorry ttyO2
  • [14:51:23] <siegen> cuy by default i couldnt see the kernel log booting
  • [14:51:54] <siegen> after that change i could see the kernel booting but freezes at the point i comment above
  • [14:52:59] <siegen> i was running perfectly with linux-omap-psp-2.6.32
  • [14:53:01] <mru> make the same change in /etc/inittab
  • [14:53:08] <av500> and securetty
  • [14:54:22] <av500> add it to securetty
  • [14:54:38] <siegen> ok guys! im going to try
  • [14:59:07] <siegen> i edit the /etc/inittab and i changed ttyS2 to ttyO2
  • [14:59:13] <siegen> but i dont find securetty
  • [14:59:17] <siegen> i dont have it
  • [15:00:04] <siegen> should be in /etc as well
  • [15:00:18] <av500> if you dont have it then ignore it
  • [15:00:21] <siegen> i ok
  • [15:00:31] <siegen> i try to boot the bbagain
  • [15:01:34] <siegen> it works !!
  • [15:01:43] <siegen> thanks a lot guys!
  • [15:01:50] <av500> np
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  • [15:21:53] <Matt_O> av500, what do those changes that siegen makes do? change the boot from dumping to the serial port to dumping to the console or something?
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  • [15:24:37] <av500> no
  • [15:24:53] <av500> change the serial port name from ttyS2 to ttyO2
  • [15:24:57] <Matt_O> ohhhh
  • [15:25:11] <av500> because the frakin omap serial driver must be called ttyOx
  • [15:25:22] <av500> every SOC manuf will get its own letter
  • [15:25:31] <Matt_O> doh
  • [15:25:35] <av500> I hope there will not be more than 26...
  • [15:25:42] <av500> tty??5
  • [15:26:37] <XorA|gone> av500: mx31 is already ttymxc :-D
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  • [15:28:49] <av500> XorA|gone: I would vote to put the full address of the guy who made that change into the /dev/tty name
  • [15:29:24] <av500> same for the lunatic that invented em0 instead of eth0
  • [15:29:35] <XorA|gone> av500: nothing actually changed, you can keep ttyS* for omap if you dont want high speed support just by continuing to use the 8250 driver
  • [15:29:44] <av500> XorA|gone: I know
  • [15:29:58] <av500> but then ppl would laugh at you for using that "obsolete" driver
  • [15:30:16] <av500> and its in defconfig, how do you fight that?
  • [15:30:23] <XorA|gone> chainsaws
  • [15:30:26] <XorA|gone> and shotguns
  • [15:30:31] <av500> my man
  • [15:30:31] <XorA|gone> Hail to the King Baby
  • [15:32:12] <prpplague> XorA|gone: hey bud
  • [15:32:19] <XorA|gone> yo prpplague
  • [15:32:45] <XorA|gone> prpplague: careful next few weeks Im pretending to be able to solder
  • [15:33:16] <prpplague> XorA|gone: hehe
  • [15:33:35] <XorA|gone> prpplague: gonna do the mod to put a beagleXM inside an 48K ZX Spectrum
  • [15:34:24] <prpplague> XorA|gone: ho ho!
  • [15:34:30] <kkal> is a beagleboard a good platform for trying to learn embedded systems?
  • [15:34:31] <av500> XorA|gone: you know no merci
  • [15:34:37] <av500> kkal: yes and no
  • [15:34:46] <av500> embedded linux, yes
  • [15:34:49] <prpplague> XorA|gone: going to do the keyboard matrix too?
  • [15:35:09] <XorA|gone> prpplague: I was thinking of it, should be easy with the GPIOs on expension bus
  • [15:35:21] <XorA|gone> prpplague: other option is to brutalise a USB keyboard
  • [15:35:26] <kkal> av500: I have some experience with developing toolchains for embedded targets and I keep getting confused with embedded developers so I thought I should develop some working experience in embedded systems
  • [15:35:39] <prpplague> XorA|gone: yea, a TCA6424 might be a good option as well
  • [15:36:53] <XorA|gone> prpplague: interesting
  • [15:37:13] <prpplague> XorA|gone: i have a matrix driver i created for it
  • [15:37:23] <prpplague> XorA|gone: would be easy to map out the zx matrix
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  • [15:37:34] <XorA|gone> prpplague: that would certainly be cleaner
  • [15:37:50] <XorA|gone> prpplague: I shall have to see if I can get a couple easilly
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  • [15:39:46] <prpplague> XorA|gone: i've done a bunch of TS-1000 mods over the years so i've got a little experience with this type of hack
  • [15:39:53] <prpplague> XorA|gone: let me know i'll be happy to help
  • [15:39:58] <XorA|gone> prpplague: nice
  • [15:40:18] <XorA|gone> prpplague: ever seen the TS1500?
  • [15:40:45] <prpplague> XorA|gone: i have two of them
  • [15:41:01] <XorA|gone> much nicer version of zx81 :-D
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  • [15:41:12] <prpplague> indeed
  • [15:41:21] <XorA|gone> bloody expensive in the EU though
  • [15:42:33] <XorA|gone> and the zx80s on ebay are going for 300GBP+
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  • [15:43:35] <av500> kkal: still, its a question of linux
  • [15:43:38] <av500> or not
  • [15:43:58] <av500> a smaller microcontroller that runs some bare OS is a different thing
  • [15:44:23] <av500> if you want to just code a loop that queries and toggles some port pins, the BB is oversized
  • [15:44:30] <av500> its a linux system
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  • [15:45:26] <XorA|gone> anyway is time to get bus home, cyas
  • [15:46:00] <av500> take the 32bit bus
  • [15:46:24] <kkal> av500: well I want to work on an order larger than that. For instance something like from the SoC project list
  • [15:46:25] <prpplague> XorA|gone: indeed i love those designs
  • [15:46:36] <prpplague> XorA|gone: if they were selling them new, i'd buy
  • [15:47:38] <av500> kkal: well, then get one
  • [15:47:58] <av500> kkal: what did you do toolchain related?
  • [15:49:17] <kkal> aside from some work with a C++ frontend, I wrote a few binary converters for my company's linker.
  • [15:49:35] <kkal> *ex-company
  • [15:49:55] <kkal> target was ARM
  • [15:50:34] <kkal> I've also written a number of tests for the ARM and PowerPC assembler
  • [15:51:11] <kkal> so some assembly language / ELF familiarty
  • [15:51:16] <av500> ic
  • [15:51:59] <kkal> but it was 3 years ago and now I think I should've done more embedded work.
  • [15:53:59] <kkal> okay cool. So this is definitely a good place to (re)start then.
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  • [16:33:00] <prpplague> fyi, for anyone interested, Trainer Boards for both revC and xM are now in stock at http://www.tincantools.com
  • [16:34:48] <XorA|gone> prpplague: we just need to buy the rights to the case designs :)
  • [16:34:49] <Mark__> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE
  • [16:35:23] <prpplague> XorA|gone: hehe
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  • [16:35:44] <jkridner> Mark_: the image shipping with the latest beagleboards is shared at http://circuitco.com/support
  • [16:35:49] <prpplague> XorA|gone: i'm planning to make a case for the pandaboard. it's out for quotes now
  • [16:36:16] <Russ> prpplague, what do you use to take pictures of the boards?
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  • [16:37:09] <prpplague> Russ: rusty has a really nice digital camera with a macro lends
  • [16:37:11] <prpplague> lens
  • [16:37:17] <Russ> ah
  • [16:37:20] <prpplague> Russ: not sure on the model, i'll ask
  • [16:37:35] <Russ> thats ok
  • [16:38:39] <prpplague> Russ: he also has something like this - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/606612-REG/Giottos_ST130_ST130_Soft_Light_Box.html
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  • [16:46:45] <aarti> anybody has idea issue regarding hwclock
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  • [16:51:54] <aarti> jkridner, i saw your patch regarding uEnv.txt, in my old boot.scr i have mmcargs and bootargs for s-video out, how can i suppose to give this info to uEnv.txt file
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  • [16:52:44] <jkridner> you have to rephrase everything in terms of creating an environment variable, rather than as an executable script.
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  • [16:54:19] <jkridner> for every "setenv x 'a b c'" operation, replace it with a "x='a b c'" operation.
  • [16:54:45] <jkridner> for other commands, put them into environment variables that can be 'run'.
  • [16:55:39] <aarti> like i have setenv mmcargs how can i rephrase it?
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  • [16:56:55] <jkridner> mmcargs=XYZ
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  • [16:59:38] <aarti> run uimage i need to put as uenvcmd?
  • [17:00:39] <jkridner> if you need to change what is already going to be done in the rest of bootcmd, then you can put it in uenvcmd.
  • [17:00:46] <jkridner> it would need to look something like:
  • [17:01:09] <jkridner> uenvcmd="run loaduimage; run mmcboot"
  • [17:01:33] <jkridner> make sure to use a Linux-friendly editor.
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  • [17:02:51] <aarti> jkridner, thnx
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  • [20:58:54] <djlewis> What! not a word in the past several hours?
  • [21:00:12] <_av500_> meep
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  • [21:02:53] <tharvey> anyone familiar with musb crash when kernel booted with OTG connected to a Host? seeing same issue as here: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/0a41cfab6c35c729?pli=1#
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  • [21:03:36] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:03:41] <_av500_> itsa bug
  • [21:03:46] <_av500_> nobody wants to fix it
  • [21:03:47] <tharvey> still lingering?
  • [21:04:04] <_av500_> seems so
  • [21:04:22] <tharvey> dang... its been around a while - ok, I'll dig in a bit
  • [21:05:12] <mru> I guess most people using bus power also use some gadget driver
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  • [21:06:53] <tharvey> in the case of your gadget drivers being modules, you don't get the chance to load them
  • [21:07:16] <tharvey> it very well may fix the issue to build gadget driver in static (testing now) but that doesn't seem to flexible
  • [21:08:19] <koen> tharvey: right
  • [21:09:16] * mru prefers rigid kernels
  • [21:09:53] <tharvey> ya, static gadget works - guess thats ok for my purposes currently as well
  • [21:13:36] <koen> tharvey: my deal with jkridner is that we'll switch to g_ether being builtin when there's a document that is understandable by beagle users that shows them how to rebuild with modules
  • [21:13:53] <koen> my guess is that hell will freeze over first
  • [21:14:09] <tharvey> heh
  • [21:14:27] <koen> tharvey: fwiw http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ has instructions and kernels for using static g_ether
  • [21:14:28] <mru> koen: such a document cannot exist while there are beagle users
  • [21:14:49] * koen zzz now
  • [21:15:34] <jkridner> more likely fix is to move to a newer kernel without the issue as soon as camera support is in 2.6.37 or newer.
  • [21:16:07] <tharvey> any idea when that is coming? TI recently told me PSP update will come in June and be based on 2.6.37
  • [21:18:01] <koen> I doubt that there will be camera support in a psp kernel
  • [21:18:04] * koen really zzz now
  • [21:18:06] <jkridner> tharvey: I believe the PSP update is done already, but it doesn't include camera support that i know of.
  • [21:18:33] <tharvey> hmmm... where is it at?
  • [21:18:49] <chrisw957> I think it does support one camera on beagle, and tvp514x and a camera on evm
  • [21:19:09] <chrisw957> http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-omap3.git;a=summary
  • [21:20:56] <jkridner> the evm camera should be close.
  • [21:21:39] <tharvey> right... I've poked around there but there are no PSP patches. Thats just the kernel that they are patching against but they won't make their patches public until they are done right?
  • [21:22:52] <jkridner> I think the trick will be to discover the common point from which to pull patches.
  • [21:23:08] <jkridner> PSP doesn't deliver in patches, that I know of.
  • [21:23:14] <jkridner> they just deliver a git tree.
  • [21:23:31] <tharvey> the prior omap PSP was a set of patches against a git revision of linux-omap
  • [21:23:43] <mru> jkridner: that's 100000x better than patches
  • [21:23:47] <jkridner> tharvey: oh?
  • [21:23:57] <tharvey> afaik those are the same patches that are in OE's linux-omap-2.6.32 recipe... or at least they originated from PSP
  • [21:23:58] <_av500_> what happened to good ol tgz?
  • [21:24:16] <jkridner> mru: only if you can find the common it upon which to perform a merge.
  • [21:24:16] <_av500_> tharvey: PSP = patch support people
  • [21:24:21] <mru> av500: lha ftw
  • [21:24:25] <tharvey> last omap PSP release from TI was so long ago I can barely recall... 2 years?
  • [21:24:45] <jkridner> tharvey: not so.
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  • [21:25:29] <jkridner> tharvey: check out all those tags. most of them represent releases.
  • [21:25:34] <tharvey> 2.6.32 was released Dec-03-2009
  • [21:26:04] <tharvey> sure... but the patches from the formal PSP releases are not public.... without those you don't get the camera support
  • [21:26:09] <tharvey> I think we're talking about the same thing
  • [21:26:38] <tharvey> most recent omap-PSP release is a set of patches to add DSS/cameraISP/DSP drivers to linux-omap snapshot of 2.6.32
  • [21:27:03] <tharvey> so while they keep tagging the tree's it doesn't give us the 'missing patches' that I hope they are still maintaining
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  • [21:30:30] <_av500_> dont you have the tree?
  • [21:30:36] <jkridner> the most recent omap-psp release is based on 2.6.37.
  • [21:30:59] <jkridner> the tree contains the patches, so I'm not sure what you are expecting to be released at any later time.
  • [21:30:59] <tharvey> where is that 'release' then? perhaps I missed it
  • [21:31:15] <mru> maybe it's an internal release
  • [21:31:21] <tharvey> I'm hoping for 2.6.37+ with camera support, either upstream/linux-omap-git or via patches
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  • [21:32:00] <mru> how anyone can say such oxymoronic things with a straight face is another matter
  • [21:32:02] <tharvey> jkridner, http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/sprs640/sprs640.pdf
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  • [21:32:41] <leming> are there any kernel patches out that deal with the xM C ehci usb issue?
  • [21:32:47] <tharvey> thats the latest released PSP datasheet - it explains that the PSP is based on 2.6.32-rc3
  • [21:33:23] <_av500_> is the release a release or does it need patches?
  • [21:33:27] <tharvey> if you download that PSP release it has a set of patches against a linux-omap git revision - for 2.6.32 of course
  • [21:34:06] <tharvey> the patches are for the drivers that they had available but had not yet been able to get accepted upstream
  • [21:34:23] <jkridner> It is public, just not communicated well....
  • [21:34:37] <mru> security by obscurity
  • [21:34:38] <tharvey> I have not seen the omap ISP drivers make it upstream yet - there was always some issue - I haven't kept track but I'm not aware of any recent revision of those drivers posted
  • [21:34:42] <jkridner> doing a search on the TI wiki, that has many out-of-date articles on it, shows: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x-OMAP35x-PSP_04.02.00.07_UserGuide
  • [21:35:41] <jkridner> interesting, it seems to have a MT9T111 video capture driver.
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  • [21:36:24] <tharvey> that is certainly against 2.6.37 but where to get the tarball they refer to?
  • [21:36:42] <_av500_> git clone, apply patches, tar -cvf ....
  • [21:36:45] <tharvey> note the package contents contains 'unified-patch-MM.mm.pp.bb.gz'
  • [21:36:59] <tharvey> I don't think so....
  • [21:37:27] <tharvey> kernel-patches-MM.mm.pp.bb.tar.gz
  • [21:37:27] <_av500_> maybe we need patchhub.org
  • [21:37:36] <_av500_> mm.pp.bb`
  • [21:37:39] <_av500_> mm.pp.bb?
  • [21:37:51] <_av500_> ww.tt.ff?
  • [21:39:42] <tharvey> TI's latest devel kit for omap3530 for example is here: http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/linuxdvsdk-omap3530.html
  • [21:40:10] * _av500_ lols at: http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/sprs640/sprs640.pdf
  • [21:40:13] <tharvey> download that... they 'have' recently updated this DVSDK but the DVSDK 'contains' the PSP, and the PSP is still the old one based off 2.6.32
  • [21:40:57] <tharvey> so no, I don't see how they have 'released' the PSP that is discussed here http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x-OMAP35x-PSP_04.02.00.07_UserGuide -
  • [21:41:18] <tharvey> if I simply don't know where to download it then I would have to say TI's website is horrible as well as the reps that keep telling me there is no update yet
  • [21:41:59] * tharvey would really like someone to correct him and point him to the download of the patchset for 2.6.37 that contains ISP drivers
  • [21:42:05] <jkridner> tharvey: the release notes are at http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM35x-OMAP35x-PSP_04.02.00.07_Release_Notes
  • [21:42:37] <jkridner> you aren't the first one to ask for download instructions, as noted by the comment at the bottom of that page.
  • [21:42:40] <tharvey> heh... right, the 'notes' are released but the packages they describe in the notes are not! have you read it?
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  • [21:43:05] <mru> typical TI behaviour
  • [21:43:33] <jkridner> the locations of all the software is all described with locations of the git trees and the specified tags.
  • [21:43:38] <_av500_> OMAPPSP_04.02.00.07_baseline
  • [21:43:43] <_av500_> is that not the kernel?
  • [21:43:44] <tharvey> jkridner, under Package Contents - right at the top, it says 'extract the contents' etc etc 'AM35x-OMAP35x-LINUX-PSP-MM.mm.pp.bb.tgz
  • [21:43:48] <jkridner> mru: who peed in your cherios? :)
  • [21:43:48] <chrisw957> Looks like both those pdfs were just edited today.
  • [21:43:50] <_av500_> v2.6.37_OMAPPSP_04.02.00.07
  • [21:43:50] <tharvey> this wiki is a 'work in progress' not a 'release'
  • [21:44:04] <mru> jkridner: the same person who put links to TI-internal git trees in public release notes
  • [21:44:05] <_av500_> tharvey: it is a wiki
  • [21:44:19] <_av500_> a wiki is always under construction
  • [21:44:30] <tharvey> right... thats what I keep saying - its not 'released' yet
  • [21:44:41] <mru> http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/
  • [21:44:44] <tharvey> not sure why jkridner doesn't agree with me on that
  • [21:45:00] <mru> tharvey: jkridner works for TI, his boss won't let him
  • [21:45:07] <jkridner> mru: that page doesn't have links to TI internal git trees.
  • [21:45:09] <tharvey> heh... thats what I figured
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  • [21:45:23] <mru> jkridner: oh, I didn't look at that page
  • [21:45:28] <mru> but I have seen such elsewhere
  • [21:45:41] <jkridner> maybe, but I'm just trying to help by providing information.
  • [21:45:41] <_av500_> tharvey: in jkridner's intranet this paga only shows "everything is fine" in BOLD....
  • [21:45:45] <_av500_> page
  • [21:45:56] <jkridner> I'm not saying I like the PSP "release" process.
  • [21:46:00] <tharvey> the git tree is public, but the tarball I referenced (note there are no versions on it yet!) is not available hence the kernel patches for all drivers TI has that have not yet been pushed/accepted linux-omap are 'not available' publically
  • [21:46:07] <mru> jkridner: I know you're trying to help
  • [21:46:13] <jkridner> but, I think I need to continue to look for all of the bits before declaring that they aren't there.
  • [21:46:16] <mru> jkridner: don't take anything I say personally
  • [21:46:18] <_av500_> jkridner: I know too :)
  • [21:46:23] <tharvey> jkridner, are you still trying to tell me that a 2.6.37 based PSP is released? lol
  • [21:46:36] <_av500_> tharvey: he is trying to help
  • [21:46:41] <tharvey> omg.... they are NOT there... the document is not even finished
  • [21:46:44] <jkridner> I'm trying to say that whatever is called a "release" is public.
  • [21:46:44] <mru> tharvey: he's saying he's not yet certain it's not
  • [21:46:50] <jkridner> I'm not saying ...
  • [21:46:54] <jkridner> mru said it right...
  • [21:47:05] <tharvey> lol
  • [21:47:22] <tharvey> ok... well when you find PSP ver MM.mm.pp.bb (lol) let me know where I can download it
  • [21:47:40] <jkridner> I know that the PSP team delivers a drop to my team (ARM microprocessors)....
  • [21:48:02] <jkridner> they are meant to do that in a public fashion....
  • [21:48:13] <mru> if one releases something, it drops indeed...
  • [21:48:24] <jkridner> ...but it could well be that it never made it outside.
  • [21:48:39] <_av500_> tharvey: when I started on omap3 3ys ago there was nothing like that at all, we had to write half of the drivers even :)
  • [21:48:40] <tharvey> I don't think its ready for public yet... I don't think they want to release with 'less' support than the last 'full' release based on 2.6.32 - my guess is they are still working on the patches
  • [21:48:43] <mru> 22:31 < mru> maybe it's an internal release
  • [21:48:44] <jkridner> so far, it looks like all of the code is public...
  • [21:48:59] <jkridner> and I just need to see if they created a download link...
  • [21:49:08] <jkridner> of course, I think you are better off with the git trees than a download link.
  • [21:49:18] <jkridner> ...but who am I to say what is useful.
  • [21:49:27] <tharvey> _av500_, I know... it pains me that 3 yrs later the camera ISP drivers still are not in mainline - I've got people trying to tell me we need to be using omap4 and I tell them, omap3 is still bleeding edge
  • [21:49:51] <_av500_> tharvey: davinci is not yet mainline, that was 5ys ago...
  • [21:50:08] <_av500_> dm644x
  • [21:50:29] <tharvey> jkridner, your missing what I'm saying. not all drivers have made it into linux-omap yet.... they have not been pushed/approved by community. Those drivers TI still makes available via a unified kernel patch when they do a 'full release'
  • [21:50:43] <_av500_> we release products on dm6441 while ti was validatig the chip :)
  • [21:50:43] <jkridner> tharvey: oh, I get that.
  • [21:50:55] <_av500_> +d
  • [21:51:02] <tharvey> so the 2.6.37 tagged tree does nothing for anyone that needs for example camera ISP drivers - and I would guess that lots of people use omap with camera/capture
  • [21:51:30] <_av500_> tharvey: there are nice .27 and .29 with isp...
  • [21:51:32] <jkridner> but, I am not aware that the team promises a unified kernel patch. I know you were referring to that, but that is a new promise to me.
  • [21:52:03] <jkridner> tharvey: I know it doesn't do enough, but it does do something and it does give you a place to pull all of the patches you might need.
  • [21:52:10] <jkridner> not easy...
  • [21:52:14] <jkridner> not without a lot of work.
  • [21:53:22] <_av500_> I still dont get why there is no public ti kernel git for omap
  • [21:53:44] <tharvey> personally I don't think TI is active enough trying to get their drivers upstream
  • [21:53:48] <_av500_> ti-psp -> l-o -> mainline
  • [21:53:57] <jkridner> tharvey: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/psp/LinuxPSP/
  • [21:54:15] <jkridner> broken link. :(
  • [21:54:23] <tharvey> _av500_, then came linaro, and I have yet to figure out what that brings to the table - none of the PSP's are based on it
  • [21:54:23] <_av500_> indeed
  • [21:54:37] <mru> linaro brings ubuntu
  • [21:54:40] <_av500_> tharvey: psp cannot be based on linaro, they just strtaed
  • [21:54:43] <_av500_> started
  • [21:54:50] <mru> and endless meetings
  • [21:54:59] <tharvey> jkridner, I can find the most recent PSP release for you with a bit of hunting, but I promise you its based on 2.6.32
  • [21:55:17] <tharvey> right... I don't see linaro bringing anything to the table with regards to kernel
  • [21:55:32] <tharvey> it seems to be behind linux-omap so I dont see the point of it
  • [21:56:03] <tharvey> I would love for TI to explain to me what their strategy is for getting their drivers into mainline
  • [21:56:08] <jkridner> tharvey: I have seen several patch sets come out from @linaro.org addresses.
  • [21:56:28] <mru> tharvey: the strategy so far seems to be wait for someone else to write a clean version of the driver
  • [21:56:37] <_av500_> e.g. wl1271
  • [21:56:44] <mru> nokia used to do a good job...
  • [21:56:48] <_av500_> and dss2
  • [21:56:53] <_av500_> but now both work for ti
  • [21:56:58] <tharvey> mru, I would agree with that
  • [21:56:59] <_av500_> so we need fresh outside blood
  • [21:57:15] <_av500_> maybe a rim job
  • [21:57:49] <tharvey> I've seen TI patches going to linaro as well, but I see more going to linux-omap and I don't understand what TI's plan is - they are not pushing the same patches both places. Are the dev teams at TI fragmented and all working in diff directions?
  • [21:58:01] <mru> yes
  • [21:58:04] <_av500_> dont forget review.omapzoom.org
  • [21:58:21] <mru> asp and wtfbu do not talk iiuc
  • [21:58:37] <_av500_> tharvey: dont forget android and a lot of ti people are on that side
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  • [21:59:28] <jkridner> tharvey: what I was trying to say is that the ARM team will take the PSP code and put a file system around it and release it as a development kit. when that happens, gaps in the PSP release will be filled. also, what you may be talking about showing me is likely the SDK release.
  • [21:59:41] <_av500_> my position is, a SOC vendor should have one kernel thta supports the SOC features, mainline or not
  • [21:59:48] <tharvey> right but that doesn't use linaro either... yet it is linux kernel based, so why isn't TI focusing their effort on a single git repo?
  • [21:59:54] <jkridner> for whatever distate there is in the AMSDK usage of the abbreviation SDK.
  • [22:00:08] <_av500_> tharvey: exaclty
  • [22:00:23] <_av500_> jkridner: put thta aside
  • [22:00:49] <jkridner> tharvey: the goal is torvalds' tree through linux-omap, except when it comes to areas where there is useful staging work going on or other subsystem maintainers.
  • [22:00:53] <tharvey> jkridner, no doubt the PSP contains a userspace tree (thats what is built with arago) - a lot of us likely don't care about that as we build our own, but the kernel is key
  • [22:01:11] <_av500_> yes, the kernel matters
  • [22:01:21] <jkridner> that's why I'm trying to point you to the PSP bits.
  • [22:01:34] <_av500_> jkridner: so where is the psp git?
  • [22:01:54] <tharvey> are you 'still' looking for that missing kernel patch heh? you won't find it anywhere public
  • [22:01:55] <_av500_> with tagged/branched releases?
  • [22:02:05] <jkridner> tharvey: what you seem to care about isn't likely going to be upcoming in the immediate future, but there are ways you can ask for improvements to what is there.
  • [22:02:27] <tharvey> they use linux-omap - you can see the tags, but the patches they have against it that haven't been pushed/accepted yet are kept internal it would seem
  • [22:02:53] <jkridner> _av500_: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-omap3.git;a=summary ?
  • [22:03:00] <jkridner> is this troll on jason day?
  • [22:03:00] <_av500_> tharvey: they are not really secret
  • [22:03:04] <_av500_> jkridner: nah
  • [22:03:54] <_av500_> jkridner: ok, so there it is
  • [22:03:58] <jkridner> some are public and not in condition to be accepted upstream. this is known and all engineers have the duty to clean the code and submit.
  • [22:04:22] <jkridner> that git tree was where we started this whole nonsense.
  • [22:04:37] <_av500_> ah, so there is vaibhav...
  • [22:04:40] <jkridner> the extra information on the wikis seems like it adds some useful information to what is there on the git trees.
  • [22:04:55] <mru> wikis do not contain code
  • [22:05:39] <jkridner> for that matter, the people developing the code for which you want to have the patches submitted have their e-mails sitting in those public repositories, so I don't see them being cowards to the community.
  • [22:06:06] <_av500_> jkridner: hold on a sec
  • [22:07:38] <jkridner> ?
  • [22:07:55] <_av500_> jkridner: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-omap3.git;a=tree;f=drivers/media/video/isp;h=46c71349395675c50faa2a3c97328796e169b12a;hb=adcd067326836777c049e3cb32a5b7d9d401fc31
  • [22:07:59] <_av500_> isp drivers in .37
  • [22:08:13] <_av500_> jkridner: so this is the psp git it seems
  • [22:08:23] <_av500_> now, if that url would read ti.com....
  • [22:08:31] <_av500_> insted of aragorn
  • [22:08:35] <mru> but then someone might find it
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  • [22:08:42] <_av500_> mru: +10
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  • [22:08:56] <_av500_> arago, poky
  • [22:08:59] <_av500_> rowboat
  • [22:09:03] <_av500_> zoom
  • [22:09:06] <_av500_> oomi
  • [22:09:10] <_av500_> or omii?
  • [22:09:25] <_av500_> we love TI :)
  • [22:10:04] <_av500_> thus we want TI
  • [22:10:14] <jkridner> guys, I'm here all the time. I know it would be nice if these things were presented more cleanly, but there is a reason I sit on this IRC channel day and night. If I knew how to organize it in a way that others would follow and not come up with reasons that organization was bad, then I'd do it.
  • [22:10:44] <mru> what's would be bad about git.ti.com?
  • [22:10:57] <mru> -'s
  • [22:11:17] <jkridner> I need help organizing the information. It would be nice if we (TI) would do so, but there are many, many reasons that isn't the case and you are aware of most of them already, so I really feel like it is a bit unfair trolling.
  • [22:11:38] <jkridner> mru: who would own that per your previous remarks? ASP? WBU?
  • [22:11:52] <jkridner> how do you have anything maintained if you don't have a single point of ownership?
  • [22:11:59] <tharvey> jkridner, http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-omap3.git;a=commit;f=drivers/media/video/isp;hb=1fddd53a3372251050e5d4f6097325aaaec5b1b4 is what I've been looking for
  • [22:12:24] <tharvey> patches went in mid Feb - I haven't been looking b/c TI rep told me it would be released in June - never saw the patches hit the maillist
  • [22:12:31] <jkridner> it isn't that we can't all agree at any one point, but development moves on and we can't put a single point of ownership for everything ti.com.
  • [22:12:31] <tharvey> thats very encouraging!
  • [22:12:49] <_av500_> jkridner: asp
  • [22:12:57] <_av500_> and wtfbu can have omapzoom
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  • [22:13:01] <_av500_> in fact they do
  • [22:13:04] <mru> jkridner: who owns arago-project, asp or wbu?
  • [22:13:08] <_av500_> asp
  • [22:13:08] <jkridner> _av500_: I agree. ;)
  • [22:13:11] <jkridner> asp
  • [22:13:30] <mru> so what does wbu use?
  • [22:13:35] <mru> surely not the same...
  • [22:13:39] <_av500_> omapzoom
  • [22:13:48] <mru> not gollum-code.net?
  • [22:13:50] <_av500_> and they pull stuff from psp too
  • [22:13:58] <_av500_> mru: exactly
  • [22:14:05] <jkridner> we hope that by delivering BSP support into Yocto, it will make it clearer to the industry. that is totally different than delivering kernel support, which still ultimately *must* land in torvalds' tree and is staged in linux-omap.
  • [22:15:01] <_av500_> jkridner: now you started trolling :)
  • [22:15:09] <jkridner> we all pull stuff from everywhere. that is the nice thing about open source.
  • [22:15:12] <_av500_> or yolling?
  • [22:15:17] <jkridner> :)
  • [22:15:24] <jkridner> fair enough.
  • [22:15:47] <jkridner> but it goes to the point of how everyone just expects it to be easy to organize this stuff....
  • [22:16:07] <_av500_> jkridner: ti needs to have a "showcase" kernel
  • [22:16:15] <jkridner> and I don't mind getting that input, but it is frustrating to get it while trying to give an answer that something *is* there.
  • [22:16:16] <tharvey> +1
  • [22:16:18] <_av500_> in fact it has, its koens angstrom one
  • [22:16:24] <mru> there's far more code hosted on, say, kernel.org and they manage somehow
  • [22:16:41] * jkridner reminds _av500_ that he doesn't like the way that showcase kernel is presented.
  • [22:16:48] <_av500_> indeed
  • [22:16:54] <_av500_> no git for a start
  • [22:17:56] <_av500_> see the BB ml for all the poor suckers that just want to see the kernel source on their hdd...
  • [22:17:57] <jkridner> someone wake koen up so that he can start pulling in some PSP ISP patches into the Angstrom 2.6.37 kernel. ;-)
  • [22:19:20] <_av500_> jkridner: how old is this whole arago project?
  • [22:19:30] <tharvey> omg - omapisp has even made it into torvalds tree recently: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=history;f=drivers/media/video/omap3isp;h=608e4d7f880c1a5700df2159402cd2af6a450ae9;hb=HEAD
  • [22:19:32] <_av500_> coz i nver heard of it thru official ti contacts
  • [22:19:36] <jkridner> i dunno, perhaps a couple of years.
  • [22:19:46] <jkridner> don't confuse the psp git tree with the arago project itself.
  • [22:19:58] <_av500_> jkridner: but do you see my point?
  • [22:20:01] <_av500_> :)
  • [22:20:06] <jkridner> that was just a convenient place to put the kernel.
  • [22:20:32] <jkridner> I *know* the point.
  • [22:20:36] <_av500_> okok
  • [22:20:45] <mru> where will the omap5 kernel be hosted? videolan.org?
  • [22:20:52] * _av500_ marks one beer for jkridner
  • [22:21:01] <_av500_> mru: they take anything these days...
  • [22:21:13] <_av500_> j-b is too nice
  • [22:21:24] <jkridner> it would *almost* seem reasonable to have git.ti.com, but don't hold your breath. you'll be ready for an umpa-lumpa to roll you away before it happens.
  • [22:22:00] <_av500_> tharvey: so, all your mainline is belong to us, no?
  • [22:22:30] * likewise (~likewise@095-097-098-131.static.chello.nl) Quit (Quit: likewise)
  • [22:24:23] <ds2> Hmmmmm
  • [22:26:41] * _av500_ think tharvey is busy reading source code now
  • [22:26:51] <ds2> isn't more trees better? Makes everything greener
  • [22:26:57] <tharvey> didn't quite understand your comment :)
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