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  • [00:29:49] <djlewis> ds2: tomorrow we get our heat wave in the 90's
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  • [00:55:37] <thurbad> ick it was a nice 60 here today :)
  • [00:55:48] <djlewis> thurbad: hi again
  • [00:55:51] <thurbad> gotta be in austin next week though
  • [00:56:01] <djlewis> say hello to my son
  • [00:56:10] <djlewis> he lives ther
  • [00:57:06] <thurbad> the boss wants me to attend the avnet thing they've got going on while I'm there too
  • [00:57:33] <djlewis> he wants to make you all kinds of useful ;)
  • [00:58:08] <djlewis> I used to attend all the technical seminars related to my job desires as I was able.
  • [00:58:19] <thurbad> heh, it sounds kinda hardware oriented... ~.~
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  • [01:00:41] <mothradidl> w
  • [01:00:46] <djlewis> x
  • [01:01:16] <mothradidl> y
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  • [01:02:46] <djlewis> i suppose he just wanted to play alphabet
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  • [02:08:17] <xxiao> thurbad: i went once to the avnet, it's really basic
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  • [07:35:33] <borillion> I see that the Nook has a ARM Cortex-A8 and there is a cyanogen version of android that works for it already, is trying to compile the kernel from the nook a valid method?
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  • [07:57:35] <dm8tbr> for what?
  • [07:57:47] <borillion> for the beagleboard
  • [07:58:35] <dm8tbr> why? that just spells problems. there are perfectly working kernels for the BB
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  • [07:59:56] <borillion> I don't think they all work for android, or in particular android 2.3, I don't know enough about making kernels to do the right stuff
  • [08:00:59] <dm8tbr> head -> desk
  • [08:01:22] <borillion> LOL
  • [08:01:25] <borillion> we all have to start somewgere
  • [08:03:03] <dm8tbr> you didn't bother to look for gingerbread and beagle-board on $searchengine_of_least_distrust ?
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  • [08:04:55] <borillion> LOL, I was like the processors are similar why not ask first, if its shot down then search more loool
  • [08:06:28] <dm8tbr> lol, lol, atomrofl, why don't you get more rofl serious lol.
  • [08:06:31] <corza> so i just got my beagle and i went to start the window manager and it can't find x server (using angstrom build online)?
  • [08:06:41] <borillion> for the flavor of android I want to use it needs to have some "special" things done to the kernel and since they where already done to the other Cortex-A8 processor, and they are both made by the same manufacturer I figured you dould do it
  • [08:07:19] <borillion> erm sorry, that I think what Im discussing is somewhat silly
  • [08:07:40] <dm8tbr> borillion: hey, the Porsche has a turbo, why don't we fit the porsche engine to the volkswagen polo, because you know, both are cars!
  • [08:07:52] <borillion> its not like a kernel is a linux application or something.
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  • [08:09:12] <dm8tbr> if what you want to do requires further patching of the linux kernel than is already done for android I'd suggest you get those patches and apply them to a kernel source that is configured for the beagle-board. less likely to fail.
  • [08:09:35] <dm8tbr> (sort of like 'just fitting a turbo' to a volkswagen engine)
  • [08:10:33] <borillion> dm8tbr: both Cortex-A8, OMAP3, made by same TI one 1 Ghz and other 800 Mhz isn't enough of a similarity? it doesn't seem like porche in a volkswagen to me
  • [08:11:01] <borillion> As I mentioned I don't know enough
  • [08:13:23] <dm8tbr> borillion: the surrounding boards are _completely_ different.
  • [08:13:31] <dm8tbr> yes, both have combustion engines...
  • [08:13:36] <corza> any idea why the x11/xcfe build i made doesn't include an x server/why it's not starting?
  • [08:14:06] <dm8tbr> corza: hm, if it's net-connected, try to download the missing packages?
  • [08:14:45] <borillion> dm8tbr I see. Not as simple as I thought then lol
  • [08:15:07] <dm8tbr> borillion: but suite yourself, have your own experience, try it, fail, fail again and maybe then you'll believe me *shrug* EOD
  • [08:15:08] <corza> dm8tbr: yeah i was going to try that it just means i have to unplug all of the stuff and move it over near the router, i just assumed there would have been some reason that angstrom built the package like that.. considering i asked specifically for X11
  • [08:15:52] <dm8tbr> corza: haven't used the online builder in ages, so I wouldn't know :(
  • [08:16:02] <borillion> dm8tbr: I believe you lol
  • [08:16:20] <corza> dm8tbr: that's cool. i guess i'll move my stuff over to the router.. and put some clothes on.. ughz.
  • [08:16:21] <borillion> dm8tbr: I have to learn more before I try and tackle this issue firt
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  • [08:23:00] <_av500_> nook is a 3622
  • [08:23:20] <dm8tbr> that sounds 'old'
  • [08:23:24] <_av500_> no
  • [08:23:29] <_av500_> or a 3621
  • [08:23:30] <_av500_> forgot
  • [08:23:39] <borillion> _av500_ what does that mean?
  • [08:23:50] <borillion> _av500_ model?
  • [08:23:57] <_av500_> its 3630 sans dsp afaik
  • [08:24:01] <_av500_> google knows
  • [08:24:19] <borillion> ohhh
  • [08:24:51] <_av500_> borillion: but why look at the nook kernel when there are perfectly working kernels for the BB....
  • [08:25:27] <borillion> so you get a working gingerbread kernel and add in stuff to make it work correctly with the recovery boot-loader then right?
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  • [08:26:43] <borillion> _av500_ I didn't know and thought it would get me closer to getting the "recovery" boot-loader working correctly
  • [08:27:12] <dm8tbr> borillion: you are a hexedit wielding xda 'hacker' - aren't you?
  • [08:27:40] <borillion> eh?
  • [08:28:01] <borillion> I have made posts on there, a couple
  • [08:28:27] <borillion> other than that I don't know a lot about os's and kernels etc
  • [08:31:33] <dm8tbr> thanks for confirming.
  • [08:32:02] <borillion> lke I had to
  • [08:32:10] <borillion> google and all
  • [08:38:43] <borillion> so http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-GingerBread-2.3-DevKit-1.0_ReleaseNotes
  • [08:38:47] <borillion> is good?
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  • [08:41:32] <_av500_> if you like android on the BB yes
  • [08:41:58] <borillion> thats what Im looking for
  • [08:42:32] <borillion> whats SGX?
  • [08:42:49] <_av500_> the 3d thing
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  • [08:43:22] <borillion> ahh powerVR
  • [08:43:45] <_av500_> yes, the gazillions of triangles thing
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  • [08:46:33] <borillion> heh, I know what that is, just not referred to as SGX, powerVR in my mind was the same thing
  • [08:46:52] <borillion> PATCHLEVEL = 6 ?
  • [08:47:08] <_av500_> DEFCON 7
  • [08:47:36] <borillion> at a loss
  • [08:48:05] <borillion> I think I might be in over my head
  • [08:48:30] <corza> _av500_: any idea why when i try to start xfce, it fails?
  • [08:49:12] <dm8tbr> borillion: any reason you insist on starting from scratch?
  • [08:49:32] <dm8tbr> http://code.google.com/p/gingerbread-beagleboard/ - there's ready made things, you know.
  • [08:49:49] <_av500_> corza: no idea
  • [08:50:42] <borillion> dm8tbr: yea I saw that too, Going to use it, and learn too
  • [08:50:53] <corza> k, when i try to start it, it says that there is no x server, but i had built using it using the x11 angstrom image for xfce..
  • [08:51:13] <borillion> don't u have to start x first?
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  • [08:52:33] <corza> borillion: won't let me startx, cause it reckons there's no x, which i dont think there is. but i assume it's trying to start xfce some other way?
  • [08:54:16] <borillion> well I think u need to build x-server then, but angstrom doesn't have apt or yum?
  • [08:54:27] <borillion> I dont see why you couldn't install it that way
  • [08:55:34] <corza> borillion; yeah i'm about to install it, i just found the package name, they use openmoko package manager.
  • [08:55:58] <corza> the search function isn't really useful in it, but i found the package for xorg and kdrive
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  • [13:39:28] <jsmith_> hey i have attached hdmi to vga cable to the beagleboard but not getting display on the screen
  • [13:40:39] <jsmith_> can u suggest whether it will work?
  • [13:44:05] <buZz_> no it will not work
  • [13:44:16] <buZz_> the hdmi output has no analog vga signal
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  • [13:44:31] <jsmith_> so which cable do i need?
  • [13:44:51] <buZz_> you need a real hdmi to vga convertor
  • [13:45:17] <buZz_> they are pretty pricey, like 100 usd, but you can make one yourself for ~20 usd using the LVDS output
  • [13:45:38] <buZz_> well LVDS, the output that normally goes soldered straight to a lcd
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  • [13:54:46] <jsmith_> Can i connect hdmi to dvi cable followed by dvi-d to vga converter and attach it to the screen
  • [13:54:48] <jsmith_> ?
  • [13:55:18] <buZz_> no
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  • [13:55:25] <buZz_> dvi-d cannected be converted to vga
  • [13:55:30] <buZz_> cannot
  • [13:57:16] <Matt_O> then what is this device? http://www.buy.com/prod/dvi-dvi-d-to-vga-adapter-converter-for-crt-lcd-pc-hdtv-by-yallstore/q/sellerid/23962916/loc/101/216067725.html
  • [13:58:43] <buZz_> well, you can convert dvi-d to vga only by full interpretion of the signal and rebuilding as vga
  • [13:58:47] <buZz_> not as a cheap cable
  • [13:58:53] <buZz_> dvi-d is digital, not analog
  • [13:58:58] <buZz_> vga is analog not digital
  • [14:00:46] <Matt_O> well I've used devices like that before and they seem to work. Is the video card converting to analog behind the scenes or do those cheap devices work to some extent?
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  • [14:02:24] <jsmith_> any other alternative for connecting beagleboard to vga screen?
  • [14:02:59] <Matt_O> all I know is I'm _really_ glad the current beagleboard has NTSC output because that's exactly what I need for my project
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  • [14:15:41] <jsmith_> Can I get display through S-video port on vga screen ?and how?
  • [14:17:13] <buZz_> there are cheapish svideo to vga convertors
  • [14:17:18] <buZz_> about 40 usd
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  • [14:18:50] <jsmith_> but will it work?
  • [14:19:38] <buZz_> yeah should work fine
  • [14:19:49] <buZz_> dont you have a svideo display?
  • [14:19:52] <buZz_> maybe a tv? :)
  • [14:20:15] <jsmith_> no don't have that..
  • [14:20:32] <jsmith_> i have monitor with vga port
  • [14:21:48] <buZz_> i dont believe that you just have one screen :)
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  • [15:21:17] <qdot> quick question - how can I diagnose issues with scaling overlay0 ?
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  • [15:47:33] <Matt_O> s-video to VGA would be a sad thing to behold :)
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  • [15:47:43] <buZz_> i use it a lot ;)
  • [15:47:50] <buZz_> also the other direction (seperate box)
  • [15:48:08] <Matt_O> the other direction would be acceptable :)
  • [15:48:37] <buZz_> both have their own purpose :)
  • [15:50:22] <Matt_O> so do you have one of the xM boards?
  • [15:50:30] <buZz_> no, igepv2
  • [15:51:47] <Matt_O> neat... I hadn't heard of this before
  • [15:52:04] <buZz_> they are cheap and fullfeatured :)
  • [15:52:19] <buZz_> but it was quite a hard job adding a svideo output to it, i can tell ya :D
  • [15:52:37] <buZz_> ( and now i fried the fsckin svideo output by applying +5v to it >_< )
  • [15:52:49] <Matt_O> yes, I need s-video
  • [15:53:11] <Matt_O> that's one reason I chose the xM... well... "chose" meaning I ordered it, but it is not in stock. I'm wondering how long it will take. digikey estimates the 28th
  • [15:53:33] <buZz_> yeah igepv2 was just in stock when i ordered it
  • [15:53:46] <buZz_> and i knew there was a possibility to add svideo output to it, before ordering
  • [15:54:11] <Matt_O> did you have to add a video encoder chip?
  • [15:54:38] <buZz_> no thats inside the omap
  • [15:54:47] <buZz_> you just need pins to a cable
  • [15:54:54] <Matt_O> oh.. that's not bad at all
  • [15:54:59] <buZz_> but soldering to testpoints is not for the faint of heart
  • [15:55:07] <buZz_> also, adding svideo output to the kernel was tricky
  • [15:55:21] <buZz_> well, patching the board config, and adding missing partts
  • [15:55:34] <buZz_> and fooling the dss2 driver to actually pick the right output etc
  • [15:56:15] <Matt_O> sounds like something you'd only want to do once :)
  • [15:57:07] <Matt_O> hmm.... it has two composite inputs? why two inputs
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  • [16:01:03] <Matt_O> oh.. that's the expansion board
  • [16:02:20] <qdot> basically, what seems to be the problem, is that after setting my framebuffer to a lower resolution, and output size to a higher resolution..
  • [16:03:04] <qdot> I get a correct DISPC: dispc_setup_plane 0, ... line
  • [16:03:32] <qdot> but after that, I'm getting a MANAGER error: dispc_setup_plane failed for ovl 0 - any way to drill down why?
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  • [17:16:23] <_av500_> what resolutions?
  • [17:16:33] <_av500_> dss downscale is limited
  • [17:16:40] <_av500_> and depends on cloks
  • [17:16:42] <_av500_> clocks
  • [17:16:54] <_av500_> enalde dss debug
  • [17:16:57] <_av500_> enable
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  • [21:36:04] <qdot> _av500_: upscaling - 1280x768 to 1360x768
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  • [21:36:41] <qdot> _av500_: I've enabled dss debug, and it reports a MANAGER error: dispc_setup_plane failed for ovl 0
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  • [23:18:49] <beagle2> hey...does anyone know why I get a 'dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found' when i try to dd with my SD card?
  • [23:19:05] <beagle2> i'm suppose to have the thing unmounted when i run it, right?
  • [23:21:47] <thurbad> did you unmount it from the command line with umount??
  • [23:22:28] <thurbad> if you unmount it from the gui it removes the device entirely until you replug it
  • [23:28:33] <beagle2> thurbad: I figured that out right when you said that ^^
  • [23:28:35] <beagle2> thanks so much
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  • [23:28:45] <beagle2> did i tell you everything is now working completely? :)
  • [23:29:27] <beagle2> i have my camera being read in openCV at startup, sending a high voltage signal to gpio upon finding green
  • [23:29:29] <beagle2> woot ^^
  • [23:29:44] <beagle2> now if only my camera weren't so darn slow on there...
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  • [23:34:41] <beagle2> stupid question: is the TRM different from the SRM?
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  • [23:57:49] <djlewis1> beagle2: congrats