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  • [00:31:27] <jkridner|work> Now that IGEPv2 is "open hardware", http://shop.igep.es/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=40 is starting to look pretty interesting to me.
  • [00:31:48] <jkridner|work> guess they didn't add the DB9 header for serial on this one?
  • [00:35:13] <prpplague> nice
  • [00:35:54] <prpplague> jkridner|work: trainers are off for production
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  • [00:36:30] <jkridner|work> k. guess none of the remaining requests I'd submit would be reasonable anyway. :)
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  • [00:37:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: was there something else?
  • [00:38:39] <jkridner|work> I don't think I exactly understood the serial change, but I'm looking forward to it.
  • [00:39:40] <prpplague> jkridner|work: basically it just allows the avr to be connected to the panda via other methods if people really really want to
  • [00:39:50] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i.e. some people want the avr connected via i2c
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  • [00:41:01] <jkridner|work> well, I haven't really gotten started with either my project to connect SPI/I2C to the AVR for testing nor to create connectors for the LEGO motors or sensors.
  • [00:41:16] <jkridner|work> realistically, I doubt I'll have them done before the start of summer.
  • [00:41:32] <jkridner|work> June/July is my target.
  • [00:41:43] <jkridner|work> sooner is always better.
  • [00:42:35] <jkridner|work> I saw a presentation at Indiana Linuxfest on open hardware that had a ton of interesting sensors on it, mostly I2C based.
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  • [00:43:50] <jkridner|work> anybody messed with wi-fi on Linux/BeagleBoard? my connection keeps dropping, but comes right back again when I do 'iw wlan0 connect SSID keys 0:mykey'
  • [00:45:11] <mru> I always use wpa_supplicant
  • [00:46:53] <jkridner|work> yeah, I don't know how to use that yet. the on-line guides seem quite incomplete and misleading.
  • [00:47:09] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i thought you were doing a demo at ELC with the trainer+beagle?
  • [00:47:49] <jkridner|work> prpplague: yeah, but it will be rather simple.
  • [00:47:53] <mru> jkridner|work: I just modified the examples that came with the gentoo install
  • [00:47:57] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ahh
  • [00:48:02] <mru> seemed pretty straight-forward
  • [00:48:23] <aholler> jkridner|work: connection drops are a driver problem where userspace isn't involved. so wpa_supplicant won't help.
  • [00:48:37] <jkridner|work> prpplague: the Cloud9 IDE and Processing.JS will play a bigger part, but will be tied to the Trainer-xM.
  • [00:48:44] <mru> aholler: unless it's smart enough to notice and reassociate
  • [00:49:06] <mru> jkridner|work: always that web2.0 stuff, eh?
  • [00:49:14] <aholler> ?
  • [00:49:18] <jkridner|work> that's me. :)
  • [00:49:35] <aholler> magically persistent tcp-connections?
  • [00:49:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'm not familiar with the cloud9 ide
  • [00:49:44] <mru> aholler: if jkridner|work can notice the connection dropping and kick it to reconnect, so can software
  • [00:49:56] <jkridner|work> prpplague: http://blog.hangerhead.com/2011/03/nodejs-based-cloud9-javascript-ide.html
  • [00:50:29] <aholler> mru: what do you want to tell me?
  • [00:51:24] <mru> you said wpa_supplicant wouldn't be able to reestablish the wifi connection if it drops
  • [00:51:50] <mru> I'm saying there's no fundamental reason it couldn't
  • [00:52:00] <prpplague> jkridner|work: rusty always wanted to do something like that with the hammer
  • [00:52:01] <aholler> tcp-connections will bve dead when the connections drops and the if goes down.
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  • [00:52:11] <mru> aholler: untrue
  • [00:52:25] <mru> I can switch from wireless to wired on my laptop and keep tcp connections alive
  • [00:52:25] <aholler> do you want to start another stupid discussion?
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  • [00:52:41] <mru> looks me you're the one trying to start something
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  • [00:52:45] <aholler> butm not without help from openvpn or something like that
  • [00:52:54] <mru> nothing like that
  • [00:52:56] <aholler> so don't try to tell me stupid things
  • [00:53:02] <mru> tcp exists far above the driver level
  • [00:53:19] <mru> as long as you get the same IP address back everything is fine
  • [00:53:38] <aholler> talk to your mother and don't try to tell me something about tcp
  • [00:53:46] <mru> I know what I see
  • [00:53:48] <aholler> sorry, sometimes its enough
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  • [00:53:56] <mru> good riddance
  • [00:54:14] <mru> whatever did I do to annoy him?
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  • [00:55:05] <mru> stupid OSes like windows do cut tcp connections if the link is lost
  • [00:55:08] <mru> linux does not
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  • [00:56:12] <mru> the tcp connections are only dropped if the tcp layer decides the other end is taking too long
  • [00:56:21] <prpplague> mru: son't suppose you have that torrent download url for the new episode of pioneer one?
  • [00:57:04] <mru> is that some attempt at trolling?
  • [00:57:13] <mru> because I didn't find it on the website before...
  • [00:57:38] <prpplague> mru: oh i thought you had, i distinctly recall having discussed it
  • [00:57:56] <mru> yes, I found it once you told me where to look
  • [00:58:26] <mru> hmm, vodo.net isn't responding
  • [00:58:38] <prpplague> mru: it's down, hence my question
  • [00:58:52] <prpplague> mru: apparently they got hammered with traffic yesterday
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  • [01:02:07] <mru> well, the torrent url is also on vodo
  • [01:02:15] <mru> would be http://vodo.net/assets/torrents/Pioneer.One.S01E03.720p.x264-VODO.torrent
  • [01:03:14] <prpplague> mru: thanks
  • [01:03:34] <prpplague> mru: it's already up on youtube as well
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  • [01:08:22] <jkridner> for some reason, DHCP isn't succeeding on my 2nd board over wi-fi.
  • [01:08:57] <ds2> jkridner|work: anything in dmesg or syslog when it drops? like "can't negotiate" or "can't refresh"? also, how long does it take to drop? the PSM settings could be mismatched with your AP
  • [01:10:06] <ds2> and does "iwconfig wlan0" show anything odd with the counters? before and after the drop
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  • [01:11:39] <jkridner|work> dmesg has all sorts of messages, but none look like a failure.
  • [01:11:52] <ds2> which wifi is this?
  • [01:12:20] <jkridner|work> hmmm.... there is a "wlan0: deauthenticated from ... (Reason: 6)"
  • [01:12:38] <jkridner|work> that might be where it disconnects. :)
  • [01:12:47] <jkridner|work> this is a Realtek
  • [01:12:55] <mru> oh, realtek...
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  • [01:13:35] <ds2> Hmmmmmmm
  • [01:13:38] <jkridner|work> pretty bad drivers?
  • [01:13:39] <mru> I've never seen anything they made work properly
  • [01:13:39] <ds2> rtl817x?
  • [01:13:50] <ds2> oops 818x I mean
  • [01:14:01] <jkridner|work> rtl8187 driver
  • [01:14:28] <ds2> odd but that string isn't in the rtl818x sources
  • [01:15:22] <ds2> for that, I'd check to make sure the PSM stuff is matched
  • [01:15:33] <ds2> PSM == Power Savings Mode
  • [01:15:43] <jkridner|work> lsusb gives me NetGear, WG111v3 [realtek RTL8187B]
  • [01:16:18] <ds2> what's iwconfig wlan0 say for "Power Management: "?
  • [01:16:28] <jkridner|work> I don't see that setting under iwconfig. I have Power Management: off
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  • [01:16:46] <mru> maybe he has a pointy-haired power manager
  • [01:17:07] <ds2> hmm and did you use a generic firmware or the one that came from your CD?
  • [01:17:09] <jkridner|work> on my second board, I get the link connected, but it doesn't respond to udhcpc -i wlan0
  • [01:17:24] <jkridner|work> generic firmware. straight from Angstrom.
  • [01:17:29] <ds2> it almost seems like the AP doesn't like what you are using
  • [01:17:37] <ds2> try the card specific firmware if you can extract it
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  • [01:17:48] <ds2> RT sometimes does special tweaks
  • [01:17:54] <jkridner|work> :(
  • [01:18:25] <ds2> their internal guys aren't completely clueless
  • [01:18:45] <ds2> or at least the folks I dealt with for the other chip
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  • [07:40:45] <av500> gm
  • [07:43:00] <Daniel_> good morning
  • [07:48:45] <Daniel_> when the beagle starts GDM it shows the mouse pointer and then nothing more? someone have a hint of where I can start looking for errors?
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  • [11:28:25] <woglinde> muahahah
  • [11:28:27] <woglinde> FREE ANDROID DEVELOPMENT KIT AVAILABLE FOR SITARA(TM) ARM(R) MPUS
  • [11:29:11] <koen> woglinde: did you port it to beagle already?
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  • [11:30:22] <woglinde> koen sure
  • [11:30:26] <woglinde> I only needed 5 minutes
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  • [11:31:16] <woglinde> hm what the hell is mpu
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  • [11:44:48] <mru> woglinde: mpu is the arm core
  • [11:45:08] <jkridner> can someone try downloading http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/demos/ai-superjumbo-2011-03.a.gz to see if the upload worked?
  • [11:46:21] <koen> jkridner: did you verify you have all the sources?
  • [11:47:15] <jkridner> I only asked Gregoire. He said that he replied to your GPL concern on the mailing list and that the sources are all up on his public git trees.
  • [11:48:18] <koen> he replied with a lie
  • [11:48:24] <mru> hmm, any good suggestions for things to do in the bay area next week?
  • [11:48:52] <koen> jkridner: he said that everything has always been available, which is simply not true
  • [11:48:53] <mru> koen: shall I visit gregoire with the shotgun?
  • [11:50:20] <koen> jkridner: combined with the fact that the "tech" behind the multios stuff will only be unveiled next week doesn't inspire much confidence either
  • [11:50:55] * mru smells linux containers
  • [11:51:57] <jkridner> the fact that he's looking for a bit of attention seems hardly like a reason to not be supportive of his efforts.
  • [11:52:42] <koen> that's not what I'm saying
  • [11:52:50] <koen> I'm saying that it looks like a gpl violation
  • [11:52:59] <koen> and when asked gregoire lied
  • [11:53:23] <koen> it's up to you if you want to mirror it, but I wouldn't burn myself on that
  • [11:54:52] <jkridner> can someone try to actually reproduce the work such that this "tech" can actually be shared?
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  • [11:55:22] <jkridner> personally, I feel like I turn up the heat by enabling more people to play with the bits.
  • [11:55:30] <av500> jkridner: what is the md5sum of that file?
  • [11:58:16] <koen> jkridner: denys asked for http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/toolchains/next/
  • [11:58:40] <koen> jkridner: I predict every DM u-boot won't build, since those are from 2009
  • [12:04:38] <koen> jkridner: and you're not really turning up the heat on gregoire, since *you* will be distribution it from your mirror
  • [12:04:46] <koen> s/ion/ing/
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  • [12:10:42] <jkridner> the one I downloaded has an md5sum of bc68c947f121ff8ce999e96ed0d96ae2 ai-superjumbo-2011-03.a.gz
  • [12:11:06] <vijy> I m a newbie to beagleboard, how to test beagleboard xm with ccs4?
  • [12:11:11] <av500> ok, so my downlaod was ok too :)
  • [12:11:17] <av500> vijy: test?
  • [12:11:39] <jkridner> vijy: instructions to use CCSv4 will likely be found on http://processors.wiki.ti.com
  • [12:13:32] <woglinde> av500 you now suid jkridner
  • [12:13:38] <woglinde> +can
  • [12:13:49] <av500> you mean sue
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  • [12:14:07] <av500> no, I will send him $15 in a self addresses anvelope
  • [12:14:10] <av500> antelope
  • [12:14:13] <jkridner> koen: can you take it as an exercise to find which patches are missing? I think it is clear that Gregoire is responsible for providing that code and not me, but if you think the GPL police are going to come after me, well.... I suppose I can take it down.
  • [12:14:34] <av500> jkridner: he who distributes is reponsible
  • [12:14:46] <av500> in that case the owner of http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com
  • [12:14:53] <av500> coz I got it from there
  • [12:14:57] <av500> (I claim)
  • [12:15:21] <av500> jkridner: watch out for an angry antelope :)
  • [12:15:28] <av500> (just kidding)
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  • [12:19:16] <jkridner> maybe it is just because I've met Gregoire that I'm less skeptical?
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  • [12:20:25] * jkridner clones the git trees, just in case they can help in the future.
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  • [12:21:42] <jkridner> I haven't decided if I'm going to publish the URL on the mailing list yet, so there is still time to convince me to avoid GPL lawsuit hell, but I did make a torrent tracker: http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/demos/ai-superjumbo-2011-03.a.gz.torrent
  • [12:22:07] <av500> jkridner: there will be no gpl lawsuit hell
  • [12:22:28] <jkridner> Can I get Harold to take a look at the package and the sources and decide if I'm a sinner?
  • [12:22:43] <av500> if you pay him, sure
  • [12:22:49] <av500> stuff like that takes time
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  • [12:23:35] <jkridner> av500: if you put that image on an SD card, let me know if it works.
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  • [12:35:26] <jkridner> looks like omap3isp made it into 2.6.39-rc1
  • [12:36:04] <koen> jkridner: gregoire doesn't really get the GPL
  • [12:36:18] <koen> jkridner: he thinks if he makes it available "later" that it is ok as well
  • [12:36:47] <koen> that's what nokia did for the Nxxx as well
  • [12:37:08] <jkridner> I think from a practical standpoint, it depends on how late later is.
  • [12:37:46] <mru> gpl only requires you hand out source if asked for it
  • [12:37:55] <jkridner> not having a GPL offer is bad.
  • [12:38:16] <jkridner> but, I think taking a few weeks to fulfill the offer meets the letter of the obligation.
  • [12:38:41] <jkridner> I believe we can say he's been asked on the mailing list now.
  • [12:38:53] <jkridner> He pointed to his git trees.
  • [12:39:07] <jkridner> ...but he also said some stuff won't be shown until ELC.
  • [12:39:17] <av500> xactly
  • [12:39:27] <av500> so why does he distribute it before?
  • [12:39:54] <koen> jkridner: and that git tree has the glibc, gcc, etc sources?
  • [12:40:04] <av500> gcc?
  • [12:40:06] <jkridner> is he not creating buzz for his ELC talk?
  • [12:40:12] <av500> since when does one need to provide the toolchain?
  • [12:40:13] <buZz_> ?
  • [12:40:18] <jkridner> is that horrible?
  • [12:40:31] <av500> no
  • [12:40:31] <koen> av500: since libc.so and libgcc.so as in the fs
  • [12:40:36] <jkridner> Does angstrom have the glibc, gcc, etc. sources in the git tree?
  • [12:40:36] <mru> not horrible, but annoying
  • [12:40:48] <koen> jkridner: no, but angstrom has a source mirror for that
  • [12:40:56] <jkridner> agreed to minor annoyance factor.
  • [12:41:14] <jkridner> so why not ping Gregoire on a source mirror?
  • [12:41:49] <jkridner> my point is, let's help him comply and move the state of the art ahead, rather than just futz on his intentions.
  • [12:41:59] <koen> since when is it *my* responsibility to make AI GPL compliant?
  • [12:42:15] <Crofton|work> it si not, just be "polite"
  • [12:42:19] <jkridner> not responsibility.... just that it is more productive.
  • [12:42:31] <av500> jkridner: but futz is what we do best
  • [12:42:46] <koen> I pinged him before on the "private" patches
  • [12:42:50] <koen> only handwaving
  • [12:43:09] <koen> handwaving from gregoire, that is
  • [12:43:34] <jkridner> if what Gregoire is doing is just a distraction from what actually moves the state of the art ahead, then I suggest talking not about him, but about what we should actually be doing instead.
  • [12:43:58] <av500> well, we boots 3 os, we should do 5
  • [12:44:23] <mru> since when are linux containers new and ground-breaking?
  • [12:44:31] <mru> I assume that's what he's doing
  • [12:44:44] <jkridner> A nice... "hey, jkridner, where is that mirror from the image I provided yesterday and a review of what needs to be done to get the Beagle-xM rev C out the door would be more productive than mirroring the AI image right now" would be welcome.
  • [12:44:58] <koen> moving the state of the art ahaed would involve unbreaking board-omap3touchbook.c upstream
  • [12:45:36] <av500> is tb like pandora or do they exist?
  • [12:45:56] <jkridner> it is like pandora... there are only a few.
  • [12:46:08] <rcn-ee> they exist.. (older unit's) just not the new stuff
  • [12:46:26] <corza> hey guys
  • [12:46:31] * jkridner used to have a touchbook, two actually, but chase and khasim got them and I never saw them again.
  • [12:46:46] <rcn-ee> makes me wonder, did anyone who got a touchbook actually ask him for a copy of gpl when it was 'private' ?
  • [12:46:47] <jkridner> chase's got taken to a show and never returned to him.
  • [12:47:17] <mru> don't look at me, I didn't take it
  • [12:47:35] <av500> but you would have
  • [12:47:39] <mru> possible
  • [12:47:50] <corza> what leopardboard cameras are compatible with beagleboard, i read somewhere it's just the 3MP one? and in comparison to that, what are the advantages/disadvantages to using the camera connector versus using a usb compatible camera?
  • [12:47:51] <mru> I "took" a beagle once and a panda
  • [12:48:48] <koen> rcn-ee: I did
  • [12:49:06] <koen> rcn-ee: but I stopped caring after a few weeks
  • [12:49:18] <koen> jkridner: you know the answer on the revC stuff
  • [12:49:29] <corza> quick guess for adv/disadv, camera connector: less power usage? more efficient drivers?
  • [12:49:36] <rcn-ee> me too, it sit's in the corner of unused hardware..
  • [12:50:05] * woglinde has touchbook with broken battery here
  • [12:50:16] * ogra_ too
  • [12:50:19] <koen> woglinde: did you steal mine?
  • [12:50:26] <woglinde> no
  • [12:50:34] <woglinde> so broken battery is common
  • [12:50:34] <woglinde> hm
  • [12:52:10] <koen> iirc gregoire changed suppliers a while ago
  • [12:53:39] <corza> no camera suggestions?
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  • [12:54:29] <koen> google.com ?
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  • [12:56:04] <chase> jkridner: I'm supposed to get a smartbook as a replacement once they ship
  • [12:56:32] <jkridner> be sure to make a GPL request. :)
  • [12:57:08] <jkridner> k, I just cloned all of the always innovating git trees.
  • [12:58:01] <corza> watevs
  • [12:59:15] <kblin> corza: I do file server and AD, not cameras, I guess other people play with other stuff
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  • [13:00:50] <corza> kblin: yeah that's cool, thanks thanks anyway. just not a whole heap of prevalent info on 'google.com' i'll have to keep searching i guess
  • [13:01:17] <kblin> koen try the mailing list?
  • [13:01:25] <kblin> er, corza ^^
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  • [13:02:18] <corza> will dos
  • [13:02:43] <av500> corza: if you can live with an usb cam, than just do that
  • [13:04:00] <corza> av500: probably want to go with whichever is less resource hungry
  • [13:05:55] <corza> av500: i guess here i'm assuming that the leopardboard cams are going to be better than a usb cam, but is it true that the 3mp one is the only one that's compatible?
  • [13:09:58] <av500> corza: i think its atm the only one with a working driver
  • [13:10:05] <av500> but I am not even sure for that
  • [13:10:19] <corza> ah yeah, fair enough
  • [13:10:48] <corza> awaiting my board arrival atm anyway
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  • [13:36:47] <vijy> want to use jtag instead of debug terminal
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  • [13:50:27] <av500> patience is a virtue
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  • [13:54:17] <Crofton|work> av500, that is my saying
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  • [14:06:01] <mru> Crofton|work: you're going to ELC, right?
  • [14:06:12] <av500> he bragged about it here
  • [14:06:25] <mru> then it must be true
  • [14:06:37] <mru> he wouldn't be pulling our leg, would he?
  • [14:06:42] <av500> nah
  • [14:06:52] <av500> we pull his most of the time
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  • [14:28:37] <Crofton|work> mru, yes
  • [14:31:24] <mru> Crofton|work: when do you arrive in SF?
  • [14:31:56] <Crofton|work> I'll also be at the collab summit
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  • [14:34:05] <mru> I keep hearing that mentioned but I have no idea what it is
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  • [14:37:33] <mru> I'll be in the bay area from tuesday, trying to get an idea of who else might be around
  • [14:37:38] <Crofton|work> I need to amke sure the Yocto people do not go nuts :)
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  • [14:52:10] <Crofton|work> mru, will you be in SFO or further south?
  • [14:53:15] <mru> no firm plans
  • [14:55:36] <koen> mru: since I'm doing a presentation at ELC again, I'm in need of some trolls sitting on the front row
  • [14:56:38] <mru> count me in
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  • [14:56:54] <mru> koen: you're around for the weekend too?
  • [14:58:23] <prpplague> koen: count on me for that
  • [14:58:51] * prpplague packs a large bag with sharp sticks to hand out to the crowd at koen 's presentation
  • [14:59:00] <prpplague> koen: hope you have safety glasses
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  • [15:05:42] <koen> mru: I arrive saturday afternoon
  • [15:05:52] <koen> prpplague: I have safety glasses :)
  • [15:06:04] <mru> cool, then we can troll the city during the weekend
  • [15:06:15] <koen> I wonder how US customs will react to body armour in my carry-on
  • [15:06:36] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [15:06:41] <mru> it's not a restricted item afaik
  • [15:06:41] <av500> koen: they will commend you on your wise precautions comming to the US prepared
  • [15:06:42] * prpplague arrives on sunday
  • [15:09:18] * emeb recently realized that possessing body armor during commission of a crime is an aggravating circumstance.
  • [15:10:10] <koen> av500: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6547
  • [15:10:44] <koen> emeb: indeed and in different states you can get screwed even more for just transporting it across state lines
  • [15:10:54] <emeb> koen: gulp.
  • [15:11:01] <emeb> something's wrong with that.
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  • [15:12:08] * emeb despises criminalizing possession of tools that _could_ be used illegally, but not exclusively
  • [15:12:53] <mru> that crossing a state line thing is bizarre
  • [15:13:30] <prpplague> emeb: i got stopped about 15 years ago in texas for having a linemans handset
  • [15:13:59] <emeb> prpplague: the rationale?
  • [15:14:20] <mru> there are all sorts of things they'll try to question you over
  • [15:14:29] <mru> most of the time it's perfectly legal to simply refuse
  • [15:14:33] <mru> and there's nothing they can do
  • [15:14:38] <prpplague> emeb: possessing telecom diagnostic tools without working for a telephone company
  • [15:15:23] * emeb rolls eyes.
  • [15:15:53] <emeb> mru: except invent more things to hassle you for.
  • [15:16:06] <mru> if stopped by police/customs it's usually most efficient to just answer a few questions politely
  • [15:17:31] <emeb> and follow all directions quickly and without complaint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Watts_%28author%29
  • [15:18:40] <mru> if you're doing something legal but unusual you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you what you're up to
  • [15:19:24] <emeb> like taking pictures in a public place...
  • [15:19:36] <mru> I've never been hassled over that
  • [15:19:43] <emeb> me either.
  • [15:19:51] <mru> depends on what you're taking pictures of
  • [15:19:51] * emeb shakes cane
  • [15:20:42] <mru> a professor at my university apparently had to answer a few questions once when he was taking pictures of some interesting antennas he'd spotted on a building
  • [15:20:54] <mru> turned out they were part of some semi-secret military installation
  • [15:21:33] <mru> he obviously convinced them he wasn't a spy though
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  • [15:22:48] <emeb> should have had a sign on them "These are not the antennas you're looking for. Go about your business"
  • [15:24:09] <av500> koen: nice, can you make me one?
  • [15:24:09] * emeb remembers the politely worded London street signs warning about no parking zones
  • [15:24:58] <mru> personally I'd much rather answer a few simple questions once in a blue moon than have the police miss a genuine terrorist
  • [15:25:48] <av500> mru: simple, lock everybody up :)
  • [15:26:03] <mru> that is not what I said
  • [15:30:34] <emeb> koen: thanks for suggesting I get in touch with Gerald a few weeks back re FPGA board...
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  • [16:55:01] <koen> av500: I can try to build one, makes a nice test object
  • [16:55:07] <koen> emeb: did anything come of it?
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  • [16:58:37] <av500> koen: thx
  • [16:58:48] <av500> I will pay you for the plastique of course
  • [17:00:30] <koen> av500: that's like 70 cents or so :)
  • [17:00:42] <emeb> koen: I've revised the design slightly and circuitco is building some prototypes now.
  • [17:00:57] <koen> emeb: sweet!
  • [17:01:17] <Crofton|work> will you be presenting the other TSC members with tentacles
  • [17:01:44] <emeb> koen: hope so. will need some minor software tweaks for the board changes, but mostly the same.
  • [17:02:48] <koen> Crofton|work: that's the plan
  • [17:03:30] <koen> Crofton|work: I'm hoping to include some more DOTT artwork like: http://lparchive.org/Day-of-the-Tentacle/Images/1-dott-poster.jpg
  • [17:03:44] <koen> Crofton|work: which is OK, since RP names poky releases after DOTT characters
  • [17:03:53] <koen> (bernard, laverne, green, purple)
  • [17:03:56] <Crofton|work> rofl
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  • [17:29:32] <koen> emeb: http://www.keteu.org/~haunma/proj/pandadaq/
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  • [17:30:56] <emeb> koen: yep - I've been in touch with him about some of the finer points of doing FPGA boards.
  • [17:36:14] <Flipo> Hello, I have an over-current message on my beagleboard (same as http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/514999fe135f0d13?pli=1) should I RMA it ?
  • [17:37:34] <av500> Flipo: powered how?
  • [17:37:49] <av500> and what is connected?
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  • [17:38:20] <Flipo> av500: using a 4a 5v wall adapter, with only a serial-usb connector through the serial port
  • [17:38:27] <av500> hmm
  • [17:38:50] <Flipo> didn't get the error mesage last week
  • [17:39:31] <koen> an overvoltage has likely blownout the tps2054b
  • [17:40:22] <Flipo> is it worth reparing ?
  • [17:41:25] <Flipo> (the board is new)
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  • [17:42:08] <Daniel_> YES! Gnome is up n running on Angstrom on BBxM
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  • [17:44:54] <jkridner|work> urgh. anybody played with usbtty on u-boot lately? it comes up as a com port in Windows, but then you can't open the port. :(
  • [17:45:47] <jkridner|work> The ID shows up as: Location 0 (U-Boot 2011.03-rc1-00000-g9a3cc57-dirty), so it looks legit.
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  • [17:47:55] <av500> jkridner|work: never used that
  • [17:48:25] <av500> since no term SW can handle usbtty across reboots...
  • [17:48:48] <av500> an onboard ftdi on the uart would be much nicer :)
  • [17:49:19] <ds2> sounds like a summer of code project to write a EHCI hand off layer in U-boot and drivers for LInux to support it ;)
  • [17:49:28] <jkridner|work> blech to extra hardware waste. :)
  • [17:49:30] <av500> ds2: does not fix the reboot
  • [17:49:43] <av500> jkridner|work: I know, its easy to add on the outside
  • [17:49:49] <ds2> av500: sure it does... just won't fix the reset path
  • [17:49:50] <av500> so I am not asking for it
  • [17:50:03] <av500> ds2: thats the path I meant :)
  • [17:50:18] <ds2> :PPPPP
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  • [17:55:41] <mru> why mess with usb when you can have a perfectly fine rs232?
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  • [18:00:15] <av500> mru: you know kids these days...
  • [18:01:25] <mru> but I'm too young to be saying that...
  • [18:01:45] <mru> or did 15 years go by and I didn't notice?
  • [18:03:12] <Daniel_> has someone installed libglut3-dev on Angstrom? opkg only brings me libglut3
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  • [18:09:10] <Daniel_> i need to have GL/glut.h installed...
  • [18:11:26] <ds2> are all the ELC folks staying up in SF or near SFO?
  • [18:11:57] * mru is staying at the tomo hotel
  • [18:12:06] <mru> for the weekend+conf days
  • [18:12:21] <mru> I'll be somewhere in the bay area from tuesday
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  • [18:13:40] <ds2> tomo is where the event is right?
  • [18:14:25] <mru> no, that's at the kabuki
  • [18:14:34] <ds2> oh
  • [18:14:39] <mru> tomo is nearby and a little cheaper
  • [18:14:40] <ds2> that is in SF I take it?
  • [18:14:45] <ds2> gotcha
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  • [18:52:28] <djlewis_> gm guys :)
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  • [18:53:24] <av500> gm
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  • [19:10:17] <Viktator> anyone with using the bb and the kinect?
  • [19:10:31] <Viktator> i got it up running today, but there is a huge package loss
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  • [20:06:50] <djlewis_> interesting little module: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1337
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  • [20:12:06] <av500> intersting choice of name
  • [20:14:08] <woglinde> *g*
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  • [20:16:01] <woglinde> re arc_mat
  • [20:16:08] <koen> djlewis_: I have a ton of http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1201 boards at home :)
  • [20:16:21] * koen waits for someone to mention DRV8xxx
  • [20:16:47] * av500 mentions DRV8xxx
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  • [20:17:29] * djlewis_ seconds mention of DRV8xxx but doesn't know why ;)
  • [20:17:45] <koen> I should have some CC2511 on my desk somewhere as well
  • [20:17:46] <av500> some ti part
  • [20:18:07] <djlewis_> koen: all yes, for makerbot
  • [20:18:10] <av500> http://focus-webapps.ti.com/general/docs/sitesearch/searchdevice.tsp;?partNumber=drv8
  • [20:20:33] * djlewis_ thought the wixel might interest some folk in need of wireless to serial/usb in their projects
  • [20:22:21] <koen> djlewis_: the CC2511 is quite neat
  • [20:22:38] <koen> djlewis_: I worked on a project where you can run large parts of the firmware on the host
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  • [20:23:00] <koen> djlewis_: so you can swapout e.g. zigbee profiles without reflashing
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  • [21:01:55] <woglinde> oh koen is coming to berlin
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  • [21:08:30] <ratmice> which branch is the ext2 xload stuff on?
  • [21:09:08] <woglinde> ?
  • [21:09:13] <ratmice> curious to see if i can't use some dd magic and mke2fs -f w/ an ext2 fuse thing to get rid of the whole loopback/mount multi-user build process i'm doing
  • [21:09:22] <woglinde> ?
  • [21:09:33] <ratmice> the stuff which gets rid of the need for a FAT partition.
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  • [21:10:02] <woglinde> hm
  • [21:10:06] <woglinde> never heard of it
  • [21:11:01] <ratmice> its mentioned in the 'new sd card image to test' sticky thread
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  • [21:12:25] <Crofton|e100> ImportError: /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN11QEglContextC1Ev
  • [21:12:29] <Crofton|e100> any ideas?
  • [21:12:53] <Crofton|e100> as an aside, I am annoyed gnuradio qt stuff seems to want opengl
  • [21:13:30] <woglinde> crofton hm ask koen tomorrow
  • [21:13:42] <woglinde> crofton qt 4.7.2?
  • [21:13:58] <Crofton|e100> whatever is current in OE
  • [21:14:19] <woglinde> its 4.7.2
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  • [22:07:10] <wmat> can anyone recommend a shuttle from SFO to Hotel Kabuki?
  • [22:07:41] <wmat> GO seems to be the cheapest, with SuperShuttle a close second
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  • [22:09:10] <ds2> wmat: look into BART
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  • [22:11:08] <ds2> hmmm a slight walk is required
  • [22:13:08] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [22:13:20] <wmat> hmmm, 28 minute walk
  • [22:14:28] <wmat> but only an 11 minute bike ride
  • [22:14:44] <ds2> 28min walk? seems a bit long
  • [22:14:53] * wmat books shuttle
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  • [22:15:50] * mru ponders where he might get a free lunch in silicon valley next wednesday
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  • [22:16:10] <wmat> mru: befriend a googler
  • [22:16:49] <ds2> hehehe
  • [22:16:52] <mru> I do know some googlers
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  • [22:17:47] <ds2> guess i'll find out since I'll use BART
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  • [22:26:57] <wmat> ds2: that's what the BART website told me. It went SFO->Civic Centre, then a walk to the Hotel
  • [22:29:14] <mru> civic centre does seem to be the nearest bart
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  • [22:32:52] <ds2> wmat: it didn't look like a 28min walk from the map
  • [22:33:52] <mru> google maps reckons it's 1.3 miles
  • [22:46:23] <emeb> mru: TANSTAAFL
  • [22:46:48] <mru> watch me
  • [22:46:56] <emeb> you'll pay somehow
  • [22:47:16] <mru> I still haven't paid for the one ds2 arranged last time I was over
  • [22:47:32] <ds2> arranged? eh?
  • [22:47:44] <mru> you set it up
  • [22:47:50] <ds2> set what up? :D
  • [22:48:02] <ds2> <-- reading datasheets
  • [22:48:11] <mru> still at the same place btw?
  • [22:48:25] <ds2> place of residence? yes.
  • [22:48:30] <mru> place of work
  • [22:48:37] <ds2> nope.
  • [22:48:46] <mru> got kicked out along with the rest of the project?
  • [22:48:52] <ds2> long dead, buried.
  • [22:48:53] <ds2> yes
  • [22:48:59] <mru> yeah, I heard it died
  • [22:49:06] <mru> didn't know what your terms were
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  • [22:49:23] <ds2> same as everyone
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  • [22:51:11] <mru> well, if you see any free lunches adrift, let me know :)
  • [22:51:43] <djlewis_> there might be a soup kitchen ;)
  • [22:52:19] <ds2> Oh that heheh
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  • [22:53:58] <emeb> ds2: long time - how's things?
  • [22:54:26] <ds2> hey emeb
  • [22:54:40] <ds2> emeb: trying to survive... you ready for the heat? :D
  • [22:54:57] <emeb> ds2: getting ready. Supposed to hit 94 tomorrow
  • [22:55:22] <emeb> haven't turned the AC on yet tho
  • [22:56:26] <mru> emeb: where's that?
  • [22:56:34] <emeb> Phoenix AZ area
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  • [22:57:35] <ds2> just 90's? hmmm
  • [22:57:55] <ds2> emeb: do you know off hand if the Payson/Pine area is a furnace around July?
  • [22:58:35] <emeb> ds2: Payson / Pine is where us Phx folks go to cool off in summer. So, not, it's relatively pleasant (for us).
  • [22:58:57] <ds2> nifty
  • [22:59:12] <emeb> ds2: ie - not 100-110, but more like 90's
  • [22:59:27] <emeb> and cools down _fast_ in the evenings
  • [22:59:30] <ds2> 90's is fine
  • [22:59:35] <djlewis_> which is great when humidity is so low :)
  • [22:59:53] <ds2> payson/pine has trees so humidity ain't 0 like say the Mojave
  • [22:59:59] <emeb> djlewis_: hey dude. Yep - low RH makes 90 pleasant.
  • [23:00:12] <djlewis_> hello mr emeb :)
  • [23:00:32] <ds2> the payson area should be less crowded then all the way up to flagstaff/grandcanyon
  • [23:01:03] <emeb> ds2: yes - smell the ponderosas. Crowding... hard to say. Depends on time of week. Weekends are when Phx move north.
  • [23:01:09] <djlewis_> ds2: you might opt for Colorado high in the mtns where it might snow in July
  • [23:02:03] * djlewis_ would be comfy in Az
  • [23:02:28] <emeb> djlewis_: good seeing away from town too...
  • [23:02:43] <djlewis_> ooh, the temptation
  • [23:02:58] <ds2> hmmm I wonder if there is such a thing as a depletion mode P channel power MOSFET
  • [23:03:21] <emeb> Ron probably not as good as N-chl
  • [23:03:25] <Crofton|work> I used to know :)
  • [23:03:29] <ds2> emeb: oh I see.
  • [23:03:52] <ds2> I want it a normally ON high side switch
  • [23:04:10] <ds2> an enhancement mode would mean another inversion somewhere
  • [23:05:42] <emeb> ds2: looks like they're out there - https://ec.irf.com/v6/en/US/adirect/ir?cmd=eneNavigation&N=0+4294841671
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  • [23:12:50] <ds2> emeb: know off hand if modern MOSFET's have interchangeable source and drain? (trying to see if I can keep the parasitic diode in my favor)
  • [23:14:31] <emeb> ds2: not off hand.
  • [23:14:41] <emeb> I've seen some apps where they're treated as equivalent tho.
  • [23:14:56] <ds2> theory says they are equiv except for the parasitic diode
  • [23:15:08] <ds2> that's why there are hand built protos :D
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  • [23:16:56] <emeb> smoke test!
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  • [23:25:40] <ds2> I hate spec'ing inductors :(
  • [23:25:52] <mru> have henry do it instead
  • [23:27:59] <ds2> :P
  • [23:40:42] <emeb> lot of parameters to deal with on those. More than just L...
  • [23:41:31] * mru prefers high-Q inductors
  • [23:41:35] <mru> make better tesla coils
  • [23:41:44] <emeb> ring ring...
  • [23:44:49] <ds2> I prefer high Q inductors with no saturation ;)
  • [23:45:07] <mru> where do you get those?
  • [23:45:34] <ds2> in SPICE :D
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  • [23:45:59] <mru> spice doesn't model a tesla coil very well
  • [23:46:10] <mru> I want sparks flying from the monitor dammit
  • [23:46:18] <ds2> add hammer ;)
  • [23:46:48] * mru has not used spice in a long time
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  • [23:47:28] <mru> I remember concocting some scripts for hooking it up to matlab
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  • [23:48:25] <ds2> ewwwww matlab
  • [23:48:44] <mru> it did better plots than the builtin plotter in spice
  • [23:49:10] <mru> the one creating windows titled nutmeg
  • [23:49:18] <mru> why do I remember that?
  • [23:51:09] <ds2> doesn't gnuplot do better?
  • [23:51:32] <mru> than which?
  • [23:51:57] <mru> I may have used matlab to do other things with the number than plot them
  • [23:52:01] <mru> I can't really remember
  • [23:52:12] <mru> probably still have the files somewhere though
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  • [23:53:06] <mru> on that pack of 4 120G disks in some obscure raid configuration over there
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