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  • [01:05:48] <jkridner> aholler: I know CVS and SVN have the concept of replacing a string with a version ID....
  • [01:05:57] <jkridner> is there anything like that with Git?
  • [01:06:47] <jkridner> seems to be an answer in the FAQ....
  • [01:07:40] <jkridner> guess the answer is yes.
  • [01:12:40] <aholler> no, for git most people are use script name git-version-string or the like. this creates a version.h
  • [01:13:12] <aholler> git itself doesn't replace anything in the source-files
  • [01:13:12] <jkridner> sure, better than $ID$
  • [01:13:43] <jkridner> it always made things squirrelly when CVS did.
  • [01:14:17] <jkridner> I don't think there is a definitive x-load....
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  • [01:14:33] <jkridner> would probably be better to actually make u-boot scalable enough to work....
  • [01:14:42] <aholler> hmm, i liked the $id$ as an id for every source-file. but it has it's disadvantages ;)
  • [01:14:53] <jkridner> but, at least it should be easy enough to put one in Angstrom and in a few of the x-load git trees.
  • [01:15:36] <jkridner> files, file systems and version control systems just aren't integrated enough to make it easy.
  • [01:15:59] <aholler> es, I would prefer it too, when someone would add some more CONFIG* to u-boot to get that below the max. size
  • [01:16:16] <jkridner> looks like the OpenPandora folks were having my UBI problem since November.
  • [01:16:32] <aholler> anyway, x-loader doesn't build here. I assume the fixes for newer binutils are missing ;)
  • [01:16:41] <aholler> s/build/run/
  • [01:17:24] <jkridner> having some sort of tool chain signature might also be something nice to print out on boot. :)
  • [01:17:36] <aholler> just call version
  • [01:17:44] <aholler> that now prints the gcc-version
  • [01:17:48] <jkridner> does it save...
  • [01:17:50] <jkridner> cool.
  • [01:17:51] <aholler> and ld-version
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  • [01:37:50] <aholler> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # version
  • [01:37:54] <aholler> U-Boot 2011.03-rc1-00063-g294af57-dirty (Feb 27 2011 - 00:48:39)
  • [01:37:57] <aholler> gcc (Gentoo 4.5.2 p1.0, pie-0.4.5) 4.5.2
  • [01:38:01] <aholler> GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.21
  • [01:38:06] <aholler> ;)
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  • [04:11:10] <mack> anyone there ..?
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  • [04:20:19] <mark___> Hi...
  • [04:20:25] <mark___> anyone there .../
  • [04:20:27] <mark___> ?
  • [04:25:20] <jkridner> hi
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  • [04:33:21] <mark___> anyone there..?
  • [04:33:35] <jkridner> what?
  • [04:34:09] <mark___> Sorry to bother... I am new to beagleboard, and looking for a beginner level tutorial..
  • [04:34:15] <mark___> Can you suggest some..?
  • [04:34:30] <jkridner> depends on what you want to do with it.
  • [04:35:04] <jkridner> just because I wrote it, I point people to http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
  • [04:35:04] <mark___> Well, I am pursuing bachelors in Comp Sc.. and my project just has to be on beagleboard..
  • [04:35:22] <mark___> nothing specific.. It has to be bachelors level project though..
  • [04:35:44] <jkridner> you might look at the presentation at http://beagleboard.org/challenge ... it was meant to introduce some students to the board.
  • [04:36:12] <mark___> ok... Thanks a lot..
  • [04:36:17] <jkridner> for project ideas, you might check out what was done last year for the Google Summer of Code at http://beagleboard.org/gsoc
  • [04:36:34] <jkridner> to what school are you going?
  • [04:36:52] <mark___> University of Houston, Main Campus
  • [04:36:59] <mark___> in USA..
  • [04:37:09] <jkridner> I grew up in Houston. :)
  • [04:37:41] <mark___> Oh really... that's nice. It's gonna be very hot soon.. :(
  • [04:38:16] <mark___> Thanks for all the help... You still in Houston ..?
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  • [04:39:18] <jkridner> Not right now, but I go there often.
  • [04:39:33] <jkridner> I actually have a flight booked to head there tomorrow night.
  • [04:39:55] <mark___> ok...
  • [04:40:14] <mark___> Can I contact you if I get stuck somewhere ..?
  • [04:40:27] <mark___> for some basic pointers..
  • [04:40:51] <jkridner> I'm here frequently....
  • [04:41:10] <jkridner> just say 'jkridner:' here before your question...
  • [04:41:17] <jkridner> or, just ask your question....
  • [04:41:31] <jkridner> and then type jkridner: Do you have any idea on ^^^^^
  • [04:41:41] <mark___> cool.. sounds great...
  • [04:41:45] <jkridner> won't always be around....
  • [04:41:57] <jkridner> lots of good experts here, but don't try to get them to do your homework....
  • [04:42:18] <mark___> no problem... of course not... :)
  • [04:42:23] <jkridner> they'll likely send you chasing your tail just to make you pay for not being willing to do your own work. :)
  • [04:42:44] <jkridner> If you are willing to put in hard work and learn fairly well, you'll get lots of help around here.
  • [04:43:23] <mark___> Lolz.. sure, I am willing to do that. Don't wanna end up chasing my own tail.. lolz..
  • [04:43:36] <mark___> Thanks a lot...
  • [04:43:42] <mark___> Bye..
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  • [10:17:51] <Flash> pysh-pysh :]
  • [10:17:58] <Flash> is anybody alive?
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  • [10:56:52] <netman87> hi all
  • [10:57:11] <netman87> can someone of you test if beagleboard xM can run sauerbraten server
  • [10:57:23] <netman87> i need to know before ordering
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  • [10:59:19] <dm8tbr> does sauerbraten server compile for ARM?
  • [11:01:52] <netman87> dunno. im not familiar with cross compiling or ARM based hardware
  • [11:02:05] <netman87> so i need someone to test if it compiles and run well enough
  • [11:02:58] <dm8tbr> you don't need the hardware to compile it...
  • [11:14:06] <netman87> like i said im not familiar with cross-compiling
  • [11:14:22] <netman87> and i also want someone to test if it run or not
  • [11:14:48] <dm8tbr> you want someone to bake your cake and then eat it too...
  • [11:15:04] <netman87> yeah
  • [11:15:11] <netman87> so do you like cake?
  • [11:15:31] <netman87> im not really so much for sweets
  • [11:15:36] <dm8tbr> yes, but I prefer to eat my cake
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  • [11:15:53] <netman87> but really someone would help me
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  • [13:54:41] <Ulfalizer> the latest linux-omap kernel - built per http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Linux_kernel with the omap2plus_defconfig - hangs at boot before anything is printed to the console. any ideas what might be wrong? u-boot correctly identifies it as a linux kernel and decompresses it.
  • [13:55:06] <Ulfalizer> it's a C4 board
  • [13:56:23] <Ulfalizer> it's of course possible that i messed up in some way, but thought i'd do a quick check to see if it's a known problem :)
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  • [13:58:27] <Philippe> Ulfalizer, you could check if the memory is set up right. I believe there might need to be some parameters passed to the kernel from uboot.
  • [13:59:22] <Ulfalizer> if you're referring to kernel boot parameters, i'm using "root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 init=/bin/start omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-24@60 rw"
  • [13:59:47] <Ulfalizer> /bin/start is my own init process. it's for a hobby project :)
  • [14:00:50] <Ulfalizer> i load and run the kernel with "nand read.i 0x80300000 0x280000 0x400000; bootm 0x80300000"
  • [14:02:15] <Philippe> sounds reasonable. Don't have a beagleboard so I am just guessing a bit.
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  • [14:02:56] <Ulfalizer> i remember you had to apply a bunch of openembedded patches to get a working kernel when i last looked at this half a year ago. have those needed just to get something that boots been integrated into the main linux-omap branch now?
  • [14:03:31] <Philippe> Ulfalizer, only the kernel changelog can tell you
  • [14:04:12] <Ulfalizer> ok, thought someone might know off the top of their head. it'd be a bit weird for http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Linux_kernel to give instructions that don't produce a working kernel as well.
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  • [14:10:38] <Philippe> Well wiki info gets old quickly sometimes
  • [14:13:16] <Philippe> Ulfalizer, anyway you can always try first with a kernel you know works from somewhere and then check the differences
  • [14:15:03] <lwithers> Ulfalizer: you probably just need to change your console to ttyO2
  • [14:15:24] <lwithers> Ulfalizer: i.e. root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 init=/bin/start omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-24@60 rw
  • [14:15:35] <lwithers> (that's a letter oh, not the number zero)
  • [14:15:40] <Ulfalizer> hmm, just rebuilt the kernel and noticed the two lines "Load Address: 0x80008000", "Entry Point: 0x80008000" at the end of the process. is loading the kernel to that address essential?
  • [14:15:50] <Ulfalizer> lwithers: i'll give it a try
  • [14:15:59] <lwithers> it changed in 2.6.36 I believe
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  • [14:16:47] <lwithers> I think if you see the "Uncompressing Linux" message then you've got the right load address; that's actually printed by a bit of assembler in the kernel
  • [14:17:11] <Ulfalizer> ah, so the decompression is done by kernel code?
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  • [14:17:20] <lwithers> yep
  • [14:17:21] <Philippe> Ulfalizer, yep
  • [14:17:30] <Ulfalizer> ok :)
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  • [14:20:41] <Ulfalizer> that fixed it - thanks!
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  • [14:21:14] <Ulfalizer> seems to run fine as well, only panicing at the point of trying to mount the root fs, which isn't that weird considering i haven't flashed it yet :)
  • [14:21:35] <Philippe> Ulfalizer, good news :D
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  • [14:30:45] <plasmab> XorA, ping
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  • [15:05:15] <Ulfalizer> what's the difference between "nand read" and "nand read.i" by the way?
  • [15:16:40] <aholler> its the same as read.e
  • [15:17:22] <aholler> or .jffs2
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  • [15:18:39] <aholler> => bad blocks are ignored
  • [15:18:51] <aholler> (skipped)
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  • [15:46:14] <Ulfalizer> after flashing my ext2 root filesystem image with "mmc init; fatload mmc 0:1 84000000 disk.img; nandecc sw; nand erase 680000 F980000; nand write 84000000 680000 2800000" the kernel still complains about "EXT2-fs (mtdblock4): error: unable to read superblock
  • [15:46:20] <Ulfalizer> ". any ideas?
  • [15:47:06] <Ulfalizer> if i remember correctly that was all i had to do in an earlier revision, but just to check i haven't missed some important step
  • [15:49:24] <Ulfalizer> 'file' identifies it as "Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data" and i'm able to mount it on the dev. machine, so it should be in the right format (i.e., no MBR or anything like that)
  • [15:49:27] <aholler> ext2 in nand?
  • [15:50:00] <Ulfalizer> yes, jffs was pretty buggy last time i experimented with it :/
  • [15:50:13] <aholler> use ubi
  • [15:50:42] <Ulfalizer> haven't heard of it. i'll look at it later.
  • [15:50:52] <Ulfalizer> any ideas what might be wrong though?
  • [15:51:29] <aholler> your image
  • [15:52:39] <aholler> don't spend time in searching the error. use ubi. ;)
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  • [15:59:24] <aholler> you will kill your nand when using a writable ext2 there
  • [16:01:23] <olive> 
  • [16:11:06] <aholler> actually it was a good idea to add emoticons to utf, i don't understand most of them in ascii ;)
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  • [16:22:56] <olive> it was not an emoticon
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  • [16:23:33] <olive> just a bug of my ssh+irssi client over umts
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  • [16:49:28] <Ulfalizer> the kernel output says "1f00 512 mtdblock0 (driver?)". is the "(driver?)" a bad sign?
  • [16:53:46] <Ulfalizer> also got a "end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock4, sector 2" :/
  • [16:54:14] <Ulfalizer> but perhaps that includes ecc errors
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  • [17:31:19] <Ulfalizer> http://pastie.org/1613705 can anyone tell what might be wrong here (other than the inappropriateness of ext2 on NAND)?
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  • [17:41:43] <ynezz> Ulfalizer: looks like broken sd card or sd driver problem, who knows
  • [17:41:55] <ynezz> line 213, 214
  • [17:46:29] <Ulfalizer> ynezz: note that i'm not booting from the sd card though, so as long i was able to successfully write the ext2 image i should be ok
  • [17:46:40] <Ulfalizer> i wrote x-loader, u-boot, and the kernel using the same sd card
  • [17:48:56] * Ulfalizer checks if there's some nice way to dump nand contents in u-boot
  • [17:49:18] <Ulfalizer> then i could compare the beginning of mtdblock4 to disk.img
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  • [18:03:08] <ynezz> Ulfalizer: ah, you've ext2 on mtd? are you insane?
  • [18:04:51] <ynezz> Ulfalizer: I'm not mtd expert, but I think, that you must use some mtd<->block translation layer/driver to get ext2 working on top of mtd device - mtdblock device is not ordinary block device
  • [18:06:36] <ynezz> ah, so the mtdblock is that layer
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  • [18:11:19] <Ulfalizer> ynezz: probably. going to switch to ubifs, but got curious as to why i can't get this to work :)
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  • [18:12:06] <Ulfalizer> it was working earlier with a different kernel (and i don't think i hosed the partition as i only booted it 2-3 times). maybe i've forgotten something i knew back then though.
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  • [18:13:13] <Ulfalizer> did a 'nand read' and 'md' (memory dump) in u-boot and compared, and the image seems to have been written successfully (the beginning of it anyway) :/
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  • [18:24:04] <aholler> Ulfalizer: how many mb are 0x2800000?
  • [18:25:12] <Ulfalizer> aholler: 28
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  • [18:26:06] <aholler> no, 40
  • [18:26:08] <Ulfalizer> err
  • [18:26:11] <Ulfalizer> *slaps self*
  • [18:26:23] <aholler> and how larg is your mtd4?
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  • [18:27:06] <aholler> and how large is the image you've created?
  • [18:27:23] <aholler> none of those numbers are correct ;=)
  • [18:27:37] <Ulfalizer> it's 10 megs. it shouldn't matter if i write more than that to flash though, should it?
  • [18:28:18] <aholler> use ubi ;)
  • [18:28:22] <Ulfalizer> i.e., the ext2 implementation should parse the header and know how large the image is
  • [18:28:28] <Ulfalizer> i will :)
  • [18:32:53] <Ulfalizer> it's a bit worrisome when you search for "beagleboard ubifs" and get mostly forum posts about varying failures :P
  • [18:33:17] <Ulfalizer> have you created your own ubifs image and used it on the beagleboard?
  • [18:33:28] <aholler> just search without beagleboard
  • [18:34:21] <aholler> ubifs wasn't invented with the beagleboard in mind ;)
  • [18:34:47] <Ulfalizer> i know, but it might still be indicative of what lies ahead ;)
  • [18:37:21] <aholler> no. most people writing about beagleboard and ubifs are asking for help. those who don't write know how to do it because they've used ubifs already with other hw.
  • [18:38:34] <aholler> or they are using the plain ubifs docs, therefor someone has written them
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  • [18:39:18] <aholler> http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html
  • [18:41:17] <Ulfalizer> i don't have a working system installed on my beagleboard at the moment. could you give me the output of "mtdinfo -u"?
  • [18:41:31] <Ulfalizer> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine/beagleboard.conf seems to contain the same information though
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  • [19:26:18] <ssc|home_> hi there, i just tried out ubuntu 10.10 on my beagleboard xm (rev b) and it hangs after uncompressing the kernel - how do i enable the kernel debug output?
  • [19:27:03] <aholler> what kernel version does 10.10 use?
  • [19:27:49] <mru> are you sure it hangs?
  • [19:27:59] <mru> ubuntu are stupid and disable serial console
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  • [19:29:47] <ssc|home_> mru, not realy .. at least no more output on the serial console
  • [19:30:11] <mru> that's normal for ubuntu
  • [19:30:18] <mru> makes debugging pretty much impossible
  • [19:30:38] <mru> ubuntu is for users, see
  • [19:31:09] <ssc|home_> aholler, 2.6.35
  • [19:31:09] <mru> users would get confused by seeing stuff on the serial console, which they mysteriously managed to connect and configure without getting confused
  • [19:31:28] <ssc|home_> mru, i know :)
  • [19:31:46] <dm8tbr> yes you should use the connected display to figure out what's wrong! you're a user! ;)
  • [19:31:51] <ssc|home_> but how can i modify the kernel cmd line
  • [19:31:59] <mru> you're not supposed to do that in ubuntu
  • [19:32:21] <mru> either be a user or get yourself a real os
  • [19:32:50] <aholler> hmm, didn't know someone at ubuntu had such a glorious idea ;)
  • [19:32:51] <dm8tbr> I'm sure they have a PPA or whatever this is ;)
  • [19:34:17] <Philippe> mru, quiet as a kernel parameter also speeds up the boot (since not everything needs to be printed over a slow serial)
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  • [19:34:30] <Philippe> But well there should be an easy way to enable it to check what is going on
  • [19:34:50] <mru> I couldn't care less about that fractional second speedup
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  • [19:36:45] <ssc|home_> mru, what do you recommend? angstrom, good old debian?
  • [19:37:37] <aholler> it's a good idea to save some ms boot time through disabling debug output for a development board ;)
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  • [19:38:40] <mru> ssc|home_: I don't believe in package solutions
  • [19:38:42] <mru> in any context
  • [19:38:54] <mru> software, holidays, faiths, etc
  • [19:39:42] <ssc|home_> ;)
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  • [19:41:47] <aholler> if quiet is the onl reason, just remove that from the bootargs or, better, replace it with debug
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  • [19:43:18] <koen> hmmm
  • [19:43:35] <koen> pseudo is quite nice, but it lacks docs on how to use it
  • [19:43:51] <koen> the author documented the inner workings at great length, but actual usage...
  • [19:46:13] <aholler> what is pseudo?
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  • [19:46:30] <ssc|home_> how do i "unpack/mount/whatever" files created by mkimage (to modify them)?
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  • [19:47:45] <Philippe> mru, indeed it is only a small gain. And for something as heavy as Ubuntu it is quite useless. And it makes it a lot harder for newbies to ask for help
  • [19:47:49] <aholler> ssc|home_: mount -o loop uncompressed.image /somewhere
  • [19:48:43] <ssc|home_> thx
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  • [19:50:11] <koen> aholler: fakeroot, but better
  • [19:50:19] <koen> aholler: it can keep state between invocations
  • [19:50:27] <koen> aholler: https://github.com/wrpseudo/pseudo
  • [19:50:29] <aholler> thanks
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  • [19:58:53] <aholler> splash and quiet is usually the first I remove from most bootargs. Almost every distri uses them today
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  • [20:27:49] <Ulfalizer> there, managed to boot into a shell
  • [20:28:21] <Ulfalizer> next problem: keyboard does not work. i remembered something about specific x-loader/u-boot versions and failing to power the usb port, but couldn
  • [20:28:44] <Ulfalizer> ?????t dig anything up with a quick search. anyone have a source?
  • [20:29:43] <aholler> attached where
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  • [20:30:13] <Ulfalizer> to the same USB hub i used earlier
  • [20:30:28] <aholler> dmesg
  • [20:32:36] <Ulfalizer> http://pastie.org/1614301
  • [20:33:34] <Ulfalizer> switched to the kernel i used earlier as well
  • [20:34:06] <Ulfalizer> six months old fully patched OE kernel
  • [20:41:57] <Ulfalizer> i
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  • [20:43:06] <thurbad> can you make sure the hub hasn't gone bad, by connecting to a pc?
  • [20:43:21] <thurbad> or was it used recently?
  • [20:43:31] <Ulfalizer> *switch keyboard to be able to type apostrophe* i'll check
  • [20:44:28] <Ulfalizer> works fine
  • [20:44:53] <Ulfalizer> no leds light up when it
  • [20:45:05] <Ulfalizer> s connected to the beagleboard
  • [20:45:14] <thurbad> by the way if your u-boot is older than a year or so it may not work with a C4
  • [20:45:16] <Ulfalizer> keyboard leds that is
  • [20:45:51] <thurbad> do you need the sources, or will a compiled u-boot do?
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  • [20:46:31] <Ulfalizer> im using the x-loader and u-boot versions from http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-validation
  • [20:47:13] <Ulfalizer> compiled versions will do for now. i could try the angstrom ones.
  • [20:48:16] <thurbad> that's what I'd suggesthttp://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [20:50:06] <Ulfalizer> it's a C4 btw
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  • [21:04:35] <Ulfalizer> hrr, filesystem corruption on the SD card
  • [21:08:27] <thurbad> that could also be an issue...
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  • [21:15:11] * mnemoc hates dosfsck
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  • [21:24:32] <Ulfalizer> mnemoc: i was just wondering how someone could write "
  • [21:24:55] <Ulfalizer> Leaving file system unchanged." without it entering their minds that the user might want to know why
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  • [21:25:31] <Ulfalizer> anyhow, enough frustration for the evening. off to bed..
  • [21:30:11] <mnemoc> Ulfalizer: touch '"'
  • [21:30:39] <mnemoc> err, sorry... missread
  • [21:30:57] <mnemoc> Ulfalizer: yes, fully agree
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  • [21:33:04] <thurbad> I've never had dosfsck work on an SD card
  • [21:35:41] <mru> works fine here
  • [21:40:55] <mnemoc> how are you supposed to know which copy of the fat table is the good one?
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