• [00:00:06] <thurbad> opkg is a package installer, you don't need to actually build it
  • [00:00:37] <spow_> package installer means that I need an internet connection right ?
  • [00:01:07] <thurbad> yes ,or you need to download the package externally and copy it to your sd card manually
  • [00:01:27] <spow_> ah ok then I shall try this
  • [00:02:09] <spow_> but tomorrow, i'm afraid to break things when i'm tired ^^
  • [00:02:14] <spow_> thx for the tips guys
  • [00:02:57] <spow_> djlewis : ths link you gave is the list of all the packages runnable on angstrom ?
  • [00:03:19] <djlewis> just the dev
  • [00:03:44] <djlewis> top left "Sections List"
  • [00:04:25] <djlewis> spow_: what wifi are you trying to use? most drivers are already available
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  • [00:04:29] <djlewis> if not built i
  • [00:04:31] <djlewis> in
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  • [00:04:48] <spow_> I bought the belkin G
  • [00:05:03] <djlewis> probably already built in a full package
  • [00:05:16] <spow_> it is supposed to be supported, and I followed a tutorial until it said make
  • [00:05:43] <spow_> ? do you mean i do not need to install stuff ?
  • [00:05:59] <djlewis> what do you want to do with your beagle?
  • [00:06:26] <spow_> send music/video files from a server to the BB
  • [00:06:48] <djlewis> with narcissus you can have any level package built. So much can be missing if you dont know to select it.
  • [00:07:17] <thurbad> video playback can be painfull on a beagle
  • [00:07:34] <spow_> playback = stream ?
  • [00:07:36] <djlewis> With this: http://www.sakoman.com/ you can be running full fledged system
  • [00:07:55] <thurbad> yeah, streaming
  • [00:07:59] <djlewis> I find avi
  • [00:08:10] <djlewis> avi's run well on my revC2
  • [00:08:27] <djlewis> over wifi
  • [00:08:37] <djlewis> better locally from a hard drive
  • [00:08:46] <thurbad> at what settings?
  • [00:08:53] <spow_> GNOME Daily builds (r12) > my current Angstrom ?
  • [00:09:06] <djlewis> 1280x1024x16@60
  • [00:09:08] <thurbad> from SD is painfull for me
  • [00:09:42] <spow_> I ran mpg from SD but it's ugly since i do it on S-Video atm
  • [00:09:45] <djlewis> of course mplayer extropolates the full screen resolution :)
  • [00:10:09] <djlewis> my avi movies are NTSC res
  • [00:10:21] <AngryParsley> s-video is basically broken on my beagleboard. some of the colors are out of phase or something. playing around with fbset I can fix the colors, but I can't fix the overscan
  • [00:10:58] <thurbad> had to dump player since I'm running outside of X-windows with animated stuff in the borders
  • [00:10:58] <AngryParsley> I don't think it's my TV, since I've tried multiple TVs and the overscan isn't centered (more of the left and bottom are cut off than the top and right)
  • [00:11:07] <thurbad> player= mplayer
  • [00:11:23] <AngryParsley> so basically if you know of a glasses-mounted display that has HDMI in, I want to buy it
  • [00:12:17] <thurbad> I hacked together omapfblay's video and ffpla's audio and it's working sweet outside of X
  • [00:12:32] <spow_> djlewis : just to make sure : you suggest I use the GNOME Daily builds (r12) rather than Angstrom since Sakoman integrated a lot of utilities in it ?
  • [00:12:44] <thurbad> grrrr, dropping keys like crazy on this keyboard :/
  • [00:13:20] <djlewis> spow_: grab yourself a spare SD, download his script and give is a try
  • [00:15:35] <spow_> ok will buy a new one tomorrow
  • [00:15:54] <spow_> if it succeeds I won't have to install the RT73 firmware ?
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  • [00:18:13] <djlewis> rt73 is old, been around a while
  • [00:18:26] <spow_> i read it's the one i need for belkin g
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  • [00:19:50] <aholler> spow_: what says dmesg when you've inserted the stick?
  • [00:20:38] <spow_> replugging everything
  • [00:21:43] <ericb2> I was testing the GNOME Daily builds (r12) , on my BB xM. Everything went fine, and at boot, I got the "Sakoman.com" in fullscreen as expected. Then things stop, and the screen goes in sleep ...
  • [00:22:01] <ericb2> I'll investigate tomorrow, but is there a known issue with r12 ?
  • [00:22:41] <spow_> here is the ouput for dmesg : http://paste.ubuntu.com/563621/
  • [00:22:49] <ericb2> I tested several distributions, and none of them works, excepted the demo image shipped with the BB
  • [00:23:20] * ericb2 stops for today
  • [00:23:25] <ericb2> good night
  • [00:23:26] <spow_> and lsusb : http://paste.ubuntu.com/563622/
  • [00:23:37] <spow_> g'night
  • [00:26:32] <spow_> actually the only intersting line (i think) in dmesg are : [ 16.308776] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=050d, idProduct=705a
  • [00:26:32] <spow_> [ 16.316894] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
  • [00:26:32] <spow_> [ 16.324066] usb 2-2: Product: Belkin 54g USB Network Adapter
  • [00:26:32] <spow_> [ 16.329833] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: Belkin
  • [00:28:15] <aholler> what chip is inside that thingy?
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  • [00:29:34] <spow_> apparently it depends on versions
  • [00:31:10] <aholler> buying new wlan-sticks for linux is often a pain. either no driver, or you need an actual kernel or ...
  • [00:32:42] <Gareth> greetings.
  • [00:33:26] <AngryParsley> there isn't some widely-supported usb wifi card?
  • [00:34:21] <spow_> well I bought it after reading this page : http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
  • [00:34:43] <spow_> I found this page which gives chipset compared to the version : http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Belkin
  • [00:34:54] <pupnik> nice
  • [00:35:07] <spow_> I know mine is F5D7050A but I don't know which version
  • [00:35:50] <aholler> there are many, but the manufactureres oftne changes the chip to newer ones and than you need a newer driver which can only be found in a new kernel in the staging driver, if you find a driver at all
  • [00:35:56] <spow_> and there's 4 different chips, Prism GT, rtx2x00, ZD1211 and rt18187
  • [00:36:20] <spow_> I don't know how to find the actual version of mine
  • [00:36:33] <aholler> search the web for the vendor/product id
  • [00:36:49] <AngryParsley> lsusb maybe. or just try modprobing for each
  • [00:37:15] <spow_> did so, only says F5D7050A (provided a pastebin)
  • [00:37:38] <pupnik> 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter is nice
  • [00:38:09] <pupnik> 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter
  • [00:38:11] <pupnik> semi-good
  • [00:38:45] <pupnik> 1385:4251 Netgear, Inc WG111T (no firmware) (meh)
  • [00:39:21] <aholler> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+050d%3A705a
  • [00:40:59] <spow_> lol
  • [00:41:16] <spow_> don't make fun of me, i didn't know that was an ID ^^
  • [00:42:08] <aholler> 2.6.37 has a driver for that, the module is called rt73usb
  • [00:42:22] <spow_> so yeah, it's definitely the rt73 firmware we prev. spoke about
  • [00:42:42] <spow_> the one I coulnd't install 'cause I don't have make installed ^^
  • [00:43:56] <spow_> bah will see about that tomorrow with the good amount of tips provided
  • [00:44:10] <spow_> thanks guys, gonna go to bed now
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  • [06:57:41] <hello_okl> can any one tell me what is relationship between okl and poky linux??
  • [07:01:17] <hello_okl> what exactly is poky linux??
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  • [07:04:37] <hello_okl> c
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  • [07:16:09] <_av500_> what is okl?
  • [07:16:16] <_av500_> poky is a ti clone of oe
  • [07:16:53] <_av500_> but afaik poky is done and will be yocto
  • [07:17:16] <_av500_> yocto is a professional oe clone by intel
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  • [07:43:06] <ericb2> Morning good people
  • [07:43:15] * ericb2 dancing the happy dance : it works !!
  • [07:43:26] <ericb2> sakoman: I have to congratulate you first :)
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  • [08:51:35] <av500> ericb2: nice
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  • [08:57:42] <ericb2> av500: is it the right place to discuss about the sakoman version ?
  • [08:58:06] * ericb2 forgot to say hello .. sorry :/
  • [08:58:19] <ericb2> av500: maybe you contributed too ?
  • [08:58:48] <ericb2> opkg seems to be the tools if we want to install something
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  • [10:15:33] <hitlin37_> anyone got libusb working with android 2.2?
  • [10:21:57] <hitlin37_> im getting errors like error: sys/timerfd.h: No such file or directory
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  • [10:33:39] <_av500_> hitlin37_: android keeps a copy of the kernel headers, chekc if this one is present
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  • [10:38:19] <hitlin37_> ok
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  • [12:07:47] <ericb2> is ethernet stable on the BB xM ? I had to reboot several times and the checkout is not finished
  • [12:07:56] <av500> checkout?
  • [12:08:12] <ericb2> av500: OOo4Kids sources ( big tree , 1,4 GB or so)
  • [12:08:23] <av500> you want to build it native on the BB?
  • [12:08:28] <ericb2> av500: yes
  • [12:08:41] <av500> you are very brave :)
  • [12:08:49] <ericb2> av500: the bridge exists, and OOo sources are not made for cross compile
  • [12:09:14] <av500> bridge?
  • [12:09:14] <ogra> av500, its only 36h or so if you add enough swap
  • [12:09:18] <ericb2> av500: I did several ports already : Mac Intel, at the beginning. Recently OpenBSD version too (remotely)
  • [12:09:43] <ericb2> av500: in OOo we have a proxy between Java / C++ and UNO and Other APIS
  • [12:10:01] <ericb2> av500: written in assembler, to be enough fast. It is called bridge
  • [12:10:07] <av500> ah
  • [12:10:23] <ericb2> av500: we have one bridge per peer OS / arch
  • [12:10:42] <ericb2> av500: e.g. Linux / PowerPC , or Linux Intel 32 bits .. and so on
  • [12:11:02] <woglinde_> oha
  • [12:11:05] <aholler> java on the bb will be a problem
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  • [12:11:11] <woglinde> aholler no
  • [12:11:18] <ericb2> aholler: OOo4Kids and OOoLight do not use Java
  • [12:11:34] <woglinde> why should java be a problem?
  • [12:11:36] <ericb2> aholler: either at build and runtime. This is OOo - 40 % approx
  • [12:11:47] <av500> woglinde: can I quote that out of context?
  • [12:12:05] <ericb2> woglinde: when you have 256 MB of RAM, and you want ot run Linux + x.org, thre is a problem, and you must choose
  • [12:12:06] <woglinde> hm why oo instead of libre
  • [12:12:20] <ericb2> woglinde: OOo4Kids is LGPL and between LO and OOo
  • [12:12:37] <woglinde> why whould I run xorg when compiling OO?
  • [12:12:57] <ericb2> woglinde: no idea, I use to work remotely
  • [12:13:06] <woglinde> o.O?
  • [12:13:15] <ericb2> woglinde: but use Java at buildtime + an OS needs some RAM
  • [12:13:23] <woglinde> sure
  • [12:13:27] <woglinde> make enough swap
  • [12:13:49] <aholler> to compile ooo I suggest at least 4gb
  • [12:13:50] <ericb2> woglinde: with SSD hard disks, the swap become more friendly
  • [12:14:10] <ericb2> aholler: no idea. I did it on the gdium, and was slow as hell
  • [12:14:22] <ericb2> gdium is mipsel + Linux
  • [12:14:55] <ericb2> in fact, we did OOo4Kids and OOoLight for training students to OOo source code
  • [12:15:14] <aholler> woglinde: which runtime are you suggesting?
  • [12:15:33] <ericb2> e.g. we are improving the annotation mode with students from french engineer school and so on ( the idea behind the OpenOffice.org Education Project)
  • [12:15:33] <woglinde> aholler?
  • [12:15:40] <aholler> java
  • [12:15:48] <woglinde> we have openjdk 1.8 in oe
  • [12:15:53] <woglinde> with thumbee support
  • [12:16:15] <ericb2> woglinde: I'll need to buy another micro SD card, to install OE too
  • [12:16:43] <woglinde> hm I got one 1 gig from my v-server hoster as christmas present
  • [12:16:44] <woglinde> haha
  • [12:16:45] <ericb2> is opkg the dedicated tool for archives ?
  • [12:16:59] <woglinde> unfornatly its not labled which class
  • [12:17:06] <woglinde> ericb2 hm?
  • [12:17:14] <woglinde> its dpkg for embedded devices
  • [12:17:23] <ericb2> woglinde: .deb ?
  • [12:17:30] <woglinde> ipk
  • [12:17:53] <ericb2> woglinde: we got a script able to create true Debian archive (one per locale, all in one)
  • [12:18:03] <woglinde> ?
  • [12:18:42] <woglinde> there is one working on the oe .deb support again
  • [12:19:22] <ericb2> woglinde: I forgot to say, I'm using 16GB micro SD card
  • [12:19:29] <woglinde> ?
  • [12:19:40] <ericb2> if not enough, got an external USB hard disk
  • [12:19:40] <woglinde> I am using a 10 class 8 gig in my ac100
  • [12:19:49] <woglinde> yes
  • [12:19:52] <aholler> since when does openjdk for arm work? seems I missed that ;)
  • [12:19:58] <woglinde> aholler
  • [12:20:03] <woglinde> since over a year
  • [12:20:16] <woglinde> or 2
  • [12:20:29] <woglinde> let me git log when we started
  • [12:20:51] <woglinde> on ubuntu netbook you can apt-get it
  • [12:21:17] <aholler> hmm, than maybe i missed that only on gentoo
  • [12:22:04] <ericb2> does somebody knows whether Archive::Zip perl module is available with the Sarkoman + Gnome distribution ? I think I'll need it
  • [12:22:28] <ericb2> opkg list does not have it IIRC
  • [12:22:59] <ericb2> maybe got to build it using cpan
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  • [12:30:43] <koen> ericb2: you do that that gnome stuff is just angstrom, right?
  • [12:31:50] <ericb2> koen: no idea. I tested several distributions, and the Sarkoman + Gnome one is the first working (well)
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  • [12:36:38] <ericb2> koen: I'm really open to any try / test, and the BeablgBoard is fantastic :)
  • [12:37:19] <av500> ericb2: sakoman
  • [12:37:30] <av500> sarkoman is your president
  • [12:37:30] <ericb2> ooops, yes, sakoman. Sorry
  • [12:37:45] <ericb2> av500: apologies .. bad wording
  • [12:38:01] <av500> ericb2: np :)
  • [12:39:31] <woglinde> I like sakoman a lot more than sarkoman
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  • [12:40:01] <av500> woglinde: I never cared much for her husband
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  • [12:44:58] <av500> koen: how do i put the internet on the beagleboard?
  • [12:45:20] <woglinde> av500 cp
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  • [12:46:02] <av500> woglinde: cp -a to also get the hidden websites?
  • [12:46:51] <aholler> add r for that
  • [12:47:21] <av500> i can easy copy my 3g to the beagle?
  • [12:47:36] <ogra> only if you have the right dataplan
  • [12:47:59] <av500> i have datasette
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  • [12:48:14] <aholler> metoo
  • [12:48:15] <ogra> yeah, that will surely do
  • [12:48:36] <aholler> and a sidecar
  • [12:48:44] <av500> koen: btw, did you hear that intel bought the linux foundation?
  • [12:49:08] <av500> and the meego talk at fosdem confirmed it
  • [12:49:20] <ericb2> av500: oh ?
  • [12:49:25] <ogra> and megoo is nonfree i heard ?
  • [12:49:43] <av500> yup
  • [12:50:07] <av500> they had more slides on trademarks than on open source
  • [12:50:15] <av500> I am not making this up
  • [12:50:17] <ogra> heh, yeah, so i heard
  • [12:50:33] <woglinde> *g*
  • [12:51:11] <koen> av500: I heard that
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  • [12:53:26] <aholler> hmm, I learned english playing a text adventure named macbeth from the datasette ;)
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  • [13:18:46] <aholler> the three witches made me mad ;)
  • [13:18:58] <woglinde> kill all
  • [13:19:41] <ogra> -9
  • [13:20:05] <aholler> those are witches!
  • [13:21:38] <av500> aholler: can you publish your 101 kernel, then I can try here with serial
  • [13:21:46] <aholler> getting rid of them just with a signal won't work ;)
  • [13:21:59] <av500> SIGWTCH
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  • [13:24:52] <koen> swordfish?
  • [13:25:06] <koen> it's prpplague, hide your bits everyone!
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  • [13:27:12] <av500> prpplague: is the status of your lvds board also "dead"
  • [13:27:37] * ogra prefers to hide his bytes ... 8x more effective
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  • [13:28:08] <ynezz> oh, finally some lvds board? :)
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  • [15:17:33] <aholler> btw. whats that about intel and the linux foundation? did I miss some funny things?
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  • [15:19:46] <av500> aholler: intel bought the linux foundation
  • [15:20:55] <ynezz> lol
  • [15:21:22] <ynezz> at ELCE I thought, that TI did
  • [15:23:00] <av500> ynezz: it was confirmed in the fosdem meego talk where they said that the linux foundation would strongly go after people that try to run unauthorized linux software on intel hardware
  • [15:23:32] <av500> maybe also on nokia hardware, but who'd want that anyway
  • [15:23:36] <ynezz> at fosdem?
  • [15:23:40] <av500> yeah
  • [15:23:46] <aholler> what is unauthorized linux software?
  • [15:23:51] <ynezz> bash
  • [15:24:00] <av500> aholler: meego SW that does not meet the strict compliance rules
  • [15:24:17] <av500> you cant call it meego then
  • [15:24:34] <aholler> oh, mine is called MeGentoo ;)
  • [15:24:51] <av500> aholler: and guess what, one of their slides showed an A5 running meego on a kernel that is 12 revisions away from compliance
  • [15:25:06] <av500> I wanted to call the police on the spot :)
  • [15:26:13] <ynezz> in that talk by Carsten Munk?
  • [15:26:17] <av500> ynezz: yep
  • [15:26:29] <av500> ynezz: I felt for him having to deliver that message
  • [15:27:51] <ynezz> hm
  • [15:28:18] <av500> ynezz: I asked him why goog has no issues with world and dog using the "android" name
  • [15:28:37] <av500> he answered with android fragmentation
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  • [15:28:58] <av500> so I guess meego is more like appl :)
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  • [15:29:57] <ynezz> hm, strange
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  • [15:30:17] <av500> prpplague: pls ask TI it dept to give you another network cable :)
  • [15:31:05] <prpplague> av500: why?
  • [15:31:16] <aholler> http://www.ahsoftware.de/MeGentooBeagle.jpg
  • [15:31:22] <mru> prpplague: the one you have is too short
  • [15:31:37] <mru> prpplague: it doesn't seem to quite reach the freenode servers
  • [15:31:44] * prpplague wonders what mru and av500 are refering to
  • [15:32:31] <av500> you joining and leaving all the time
  • [15:33:31] <prpplague> av500: oh that was from home, and we were having network issues, apparently the substation at the end of the block was flooded
  • [15:33:54] <av500> ynezz: of course, I am exagerating, but I found it strange how meego was presented to an open source crowd
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  • [15:37:02] <ynezz> Did anyone asked him about Maemo?
  • [15:37:14] <av500> ynezz: of course they did
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  • [15:37:33] <ynezz> too fragmented also? :p
  • [15:37:48] <av500> ynezz: well meamo is dead
  • [15:37:56] <aholler> escpecially because many meego-stuff needs libs from maemo ;)
  • [15:38:00] <av500> and meego on the n900 is an open question
  • [15:38:10] <av500> aholler: linux is linux
  • [15:38:51] <av500> ynezz: a room full of n900 owners of course the only concern was, will it run meego on my n900 :)
  • [15:39:01] <av500> as if nokla cared
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  • [15:41:22] <ynezz> :)
  • [15:41:29] <alikemal> hi
  • [15:42:08] <siegen> Hi guys! anyone can tell me which is the difference between linux-omap-psp-2.6.32 and linux-omap-2.6.32
  • [15:42:09] <siegen> ??
  • [15:42:24] <av500> psp has patches from TI psp people
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  • [15:42:38] <koen> git diff linux-omap-psp-2.6.32..linux-omap-2.6.32
  • [15:42:54] <siegen> for mey beagleboard then i should use linux-omap-2-6-32
  • [15:42:58] <siegen> ?
  • [15:43:18] <woglinde> depends on your needs
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  • [15:43:59] <siegen> i want to bring out spi
  • [15:44:28] <siegen> and then i saw there is a patch for 2.6.32
  • [15:44:56] <siegen> i copy that patch into /recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.32/beagleboard
  • [15:46:12] <siegen> and then i add to the linux-omap_2.6.32.bb in SRC_URI_append_beagleboard somthing lke
  • [15:46:36] <woglinde> and?
  • [15:46:37] <siegen> ....file://spi_2_6_32.patch \
  • [15:46:49] <koen> why not use the default kernel angstrom is using?
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  • [15:47:18] <siegen> then i make in /oe/build/ bitbake -f -c compile linux-omap-2.6.32
  • [15:47:42] <siegen> and try to apply the patch but there is on hunk at line 590
  • [15:47:43] <siegen> :(
  • [15:48:01] <siegen> the rest of the patch is applied correctly
  • [15:48:06] <koen> why not use the default kernel angstrom is using?
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  • [15:48:13] <woglinde> and?
  • [15:48:31] <siegen> which is the deafult kernel angstrom??
  • [15:49:05] <siegen> at the and beacause that i cannot finish the compilation
  • [15:50:01] <woglinde> sure if patch didnt apply something is wrong
  • [15:50:02] <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and then to 'bitbake virtual/kernel'
  • [15:50:11] <woglinde> and the compile process stops
  • [15:50:14] <woglinde> thats natural
  • [15:50:19] <woglinde> no world wonder
  • [15:51:47] <siegen> the error i get http://pastebin.com/MhcufGfp
  • [15:52:20] <woglinde> do you expectd somehere is fixing the patch for you?
  • [15:52:31] <siegen> not
  • [15:52:34] <siegen> i dont expect that
  • [15:53:11] <siegen> just i dont know what to do some months fighting with this issues
  • [15:53:25] <woglinde> fix the patch?
  • [15:53:38] <woglinde> so it will apply cleanly?
  • [15:53:53] <woglinde> paysomeone which is fixing the patch for you?
  • [15:54:07] <woglinde> look up if the psp kernel has the patch already included?
  • [15:54:31] <siegen> but why doesnt apply correctly if is a patch for 2.6.32 and i am try to build with 2.6.32
  • [15:54:33] <siegen> ?
  • [15:54:36] <koen> why not use the default kernel angstrom is using?
  • [15:54:58] <koen> maybe after asking it a 3rd time I get an actual answer
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  • [15:56:14] <siegen> sorry koen, i have read that link several times and i dont know how to use the angsttrom scripts
  • [15:56:21] <siegen> i clone it
  • [15:56:24] <siegen> but after that
  • [15:56:26] <siegen> i am lost
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  • [15:56:55] <ant_work> koen: we have same issuse on #oe (but for hawkboard)
  • [15:57:15] <ant_work> pls come and help :p
  • [15:57:41] <siegen> then i could build succesfully with OE and bitbake a linux-omap-2.6.32 and booting angstrom success with the new uImage in the sd
  • [15:58:04] <siegen> so i thought to go through linux-omap-2.6.32
  • [15:58:09] <koen> the script tells you how to use it when you run it
  • [15:58:21] <koen> anyway, try 4:
  • [15:58:24] <koen> why not use the default kernel angstrom is using?
  • [15:58:31] <ericb2> what is the problem with ethernet ? I had to reboot a lot of times, systematicaly
  • [15:59:05] <av500> ericb2: we have some issues like that reported
  • [15:59:08] <ericb2> e.g. I tried to scp a 500MB file, and it was stuck several times around 300 MB
  • [15:59:11] * koen hands ericb2 some tokenring cards
  • [15:59:32] <woglinde> koen < 100mbit?
  • [15:59:35] <ericb2> av500: ok. Is there something to do, or take care to help you ?
  • [15:59:36] <siegen> ok, i am going to read carefully once more the http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and to do the steps
  • [15:59:51] <thurbad> there's a step missing in the instuctions for configuring to beagleboard if I recall
  • [15:59:57] <siegen> thanks guys
  • [16:00:07] * woglinde wonders at all why the psp kernel is not build as default
  • [16:00:13] <siegen> i tell you how is going a bit later :)
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  • [16:00:56] <koen> woglinde: I have some 100MBit/s tokenring cards here :)
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  • [16:01:04] <koen> PCI though, not usb
  • [16:01:20] <woglinde> koen 100mbit is to fast
  • [16:01:28] <aholler> you worked for ibm?
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  • [16:01:48] <aholler> never seen tokenring somewhere else ;)
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  • [16:03:50] <koen> aholler: visit some banks, lots of tokenring+os/2 still being used :)
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  • [16:07:01] <aholler> koen: as I said, ibm only ;)
  • [16:07:58] <aholler> btw. Meego Photos looks for "~/.config/Intel/Meego Photos.conf", so it will never run on any arm-device ;)
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  • [16:17:23] <koen> yay!
  • [16:17:28] <koen> more neon for vp8
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  • [16:19:27] <siegen> where do I have to git clone the angstrom scripts into the OE tree or in a separated folder?
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  • [16:21:11] <siegen> so i made in a separated folder and then i typed sh oebb.sh config beagleboard
  • [16:21:38] <siegen> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/fer/bb/angstrom_scripts/angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/.git/ ok now is downloading
  • [16:23:22] <siegen> Setup for beagleboard completed
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  • [16:27:49] <koen> mru: /OE/angstrom-dev/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ffmpeg-2_0.6.1+r17.1+gitr0+a1c1d3c003b0ec16fdb6574913781313fb2c7ab6-r17.1/git/libavcodec/arm/vp8dsp_neon.S:906: Error: invalid literal constant: pool needs to be closer
  • [16:28:05] <koen> mru: is that my gcc or binutils being too old?
  • [16:28:08] <mru> get newer binutils
  • [16:28:12] <siegen> now i use: sh oebb.sh bitbake nano but i get the same warning No config found, please run oebb.sh config <machine> first
  • [16:28:13] <mru> sounds like 2.18 to me
  • [16:28:15] <av500> koen: or move your pool closer
  • [16:28:35] <thurbad> pool party at koen's!!!
  • [16:28:36] <mru> and why are you building PIC?
  • [16:29:41] <koen> mru: 2.18.50
  • [16:29:49] <koen> not sure why it's doing pic
  • [16:29:51] <mru> use 2.19 or 2.20
  • [16:30:04] <mru> or even 2.21 if you're brave
  • [16:30:18] <mru> but be warned, 2.21 doesn't mix well with 2.20
  • [16:30:33] <mru> in that 2.20 refuses to link objects created by 2.21
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  • [16:31:13] <koen> 2.21 has other problems as well
  • [16:31:18] <av500> koen: why 2.18.50, even we use newer ones...
  • [16:33:20] <koen> av500: this is for angstrom-2008
  • [16:33:35] <koen> that is stuck on gcc 4.3.x and binutils 2.18.50 for armv7a
  • [16:34:02] <koen> it will get retired in a month, though :)
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  • [16:34:26] <av500> koen: ask mru for a binary blob then
  • [16:35:14] <mru> koen: can you test with 2.19 or 2.20 and see if that works?
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  • [16:41:03] <koen> mru: trying with 2.20 now
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  • [17:01:40] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hey, you still thinking about using the trainer board ?
  • [17:01:44] * Russ (foobar@ip70-176-251-1.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  • [17:01:57] <jkridner_> prpplague: I'd like to use the trainer board!
  • [17:02:53] <prpplague> jkridner_: were you wanting a different spin with some changes or same design with just xM compatible header?
  • [17:03:30] <av500> prpplague: there was some slight interest at fosdem for an lvds board, but you told me its dead from your side, right?
  • [17:03:44] <prpplague> av500: yea pretty much
  • [17:04:06] <av500> ok
  • [17:04:08] <prpplague> av500: my partner rusty is somewhat down on the beagle/panda accessory biz right now
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  • [17:05:05] <jkridner_> xM compatible headers, unless there is some real desire to make a new spin with something like a second SD slot (features from the Zippy that xM needs, since the Ethernet is already there).
  • [17:05:27] <jkridner_> I'd love to have the beagleboard.org home page revamped a bit to better promote these boards....
  • [17:05:31] <jkridner_> I'm open to ideas...
  • [17:05:33] <prpplague> jkridner_: didn't know if you wanted the trainer to be the exact same size as the xM
  • [17:05:56] <jkridner_> the site traffic hasn't slowed at all.... there must be some way to leverage the >1,000 new visitors a day (per Google analytics).
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  • [17:06:41] <jkridner_> it would be nice, but I'd hate for you guys to get any more negative impression on being able to get returns off of building accessories....
  • [17:07:04] <koen> mru: gcc 4.5 + binutils 2.20 give the same pool error
  • [17:07:13] <jkridner_> if you can't get folks on this channel and on the mailing list to give you some confidence they'll buy enough board to pay for the spin...
  • [17:07:28] <mru> koen: then maybe I should do something to fix it
  • [17:07:36] <jkridner_> you know, don't want you to feel negative.
  • [17:09:57] <prpplague> jkridner_: indeed
  • [17:10:46] <koen> mru: :)
  • [17:11:40] <prpplague> jkridner_: it's a fine line for products, alot of folks want items that are cheap and have specific purpose, but the market for those is small, if we put a bunch of stuff that appeals to a lot of people on one board, the price goes up
  • [17:11:53] <prpplague> jkridner_: i'm sure you are familiar with it in regards to the beagle designs
  • [17:14:26] <jkridner_> koen: do you have the source video files for the LinuxTag 2010 demo?
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  • [17:16:05] <jkridner_> prpplague: yeah, best to adopt the *nix mindset, solve one problem, solve it well, play nice with others (solve standard problems in standard ways).
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  • [17:17:55] <koen> jkridner_: which video files?
  • [17:18:09] <jkridner_> what you used to upload to YouTube.
  • [17:18:27] <jkridner_> I was going to drop it into a collection of videos to put on a BeagleBoard demo SD card.
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  • [17:19:32] <koen> if it's on youtube, the sources are gone
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  • [17:19:47] <woglinde> hm why is it called dsp
  • [17:19:49] <woglinde> hm hm
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  • [17:24:10] <kyv> hi
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  • [17:24:47] <kyv> im flashing beagle as explained here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Upgrade_X-loader_and_U-boot
  • [17:25:04] <kyv> but i dont see any output confirming that beagle is getting flashed
  • [17:25:40] <woglinde> boot from sd?
  • [17:25:47] <woglinde> and you dont need to flash?
  • [17:25:52] <mru> Clocking rate (Crystal/Core/MPU): 26.0/400/600 MHz
  • [17:25:59] * mru is getting somewhere with the crane
  • [17:26:11] <woglinde> mru whast the problem?
  • [17:26:23] <mru> wrong dpll config
  • [17:26:27] <mru> and wrong ddr config
  • [17:26:34] <kyv> woglinde: yes im booting from sd
  • [17:26:45] <mru> and broken chip detection
  • [17:27:05] <woglinde> mru oha
  • [17:27:06] <mru> and broken eth mac detection
  • [17:27:14] <mru> shall I go on?
  • [17:27:27] <woglinde> but crane was not from ti nor?
  • [17:27:32] <mru> mistral
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  • [17:36:37] <koen> mru: I do like that I can spell "Crane" by doing the karate kid thing
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  • [17:36:50] <koen> helpfull at fosdem with those large tables and noise crowds
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  • [18:17:33] <Julien_> Hi, just a question on BB Rev C4
  • [18:18:24] <av500> ask
  • [18:19:02] <Julien_> My minicom see anything, but BB is power on ( led are green ) and the other usb is connected too
  • [18:19:14] <av500> other?
  • [18:19:30] <Julien_> so i must connect RS232 if i want see anything with my minicom ?
  • [18:19:36] <av500> yes
  • [18:19:40] <av500> very much
  • [18:20:01] <Julien_> Mmm, ok i though with usb is work
  • [18:20:48] <av500> you could have the kernel do serial over usb
  • [18:20:59] <av500> but you would be blind in uboot
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  • [18:21:26] <woglinde_> av500 there is an u-boot usb-serial patch
  • [18:21:29] <siegen> Julien: take a look to build in this link for the connector of your bb http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm
  • [18:21:54] <Julien_> thank Siegen
  • [18:22:24] <prpplague> Julien_: or buy an adapter from one the retailers such as Special Computing or TinCanTools
  • [18:22:25] <av500> woglinde_: there are a lot of patches
  • [18:22:26] <siegen> and to this add a null cablemodem
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  • [18:33:00] <siegen> How can i use GPtimers for my apps to measure time
  • [18:33:02] <siegen> ???
  • [18:33:29] <av500> what time are we talking about?
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  • [18:37:49] <ericb2> don't know who say that : I'm rebuilding my own Perl, since the installed one has not what I need, and the build is broken
  • [18:38:06] <ericb2> Angstrom distribution that is (IIRC)
  • [18:39:16] <ericb2> Missing module is Archive::Zip , needs Compress::Raw::Zlib, Compress::Raw:Bzip2 and some other dependencies, who itselves need something typemap not working (I'd say missing/broken)
  • [18:39:37] * ericb2 hopes build perl-5.8.9 will fix that
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  • [18:41:49] <ericb2> (perl bazaar is only mandatory at buildtime)
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  • [18:42:37] <av500> ericb2: any chance for kernel logs when your ethernet goes down?
  • [18:43:52] <ericb2> av500: I'll have a look. will tail -f /var/log/messages or something like that help ?
  • [18:43:59] <av500> no
  • [18:44:01] <av500> dmesg
  • [18:44:05] <ericb2> av500: ok
  • [18:44:25] <ericb2> av500: I'll capture it and paste the result for you
  • [18:48:57] <siegen> av500: i would like to have a timer interruption routine to measure some accelerometers
  • [18:49:13] <siegen> av500: but i really dont know how to deal with GPtimers
  • [18:49:24] <siegen> av500: in userspace
  • [18:49:26] <av500> accelero connected how?
  • [18:49:31] <siegen> by i2c
  • [18:49:36] <siegen> that is already working
  • [18:49:51] <av500> what timing accuracy do you need?
  • [18:50:29] <siegen> i would like to sample the accelerometers at more than 100 mhz
  • [18:50:33] <siegen> is ti possible? :s
  • [18:50:43] <av500> lol
  • [18:50:46] <siegen> hehe
  • [18:51:13] <siegen> i have connected 4 triads (so each one qith 3 axis accelerometers)
  • [18:51:27] <siegen> in total 12 accelerometers
  • [18:51:31] <siegen> i read all of them
  • [18:51:41] <av500> and?
  • [18:51:43] <siegen> but i get like 80 readings per minute
  • [18:52:10] <av500> so what do you need GPTIMER for?
  • [18:53:01] <siegen> i would like to have a timer counting and every 5 ms (for example) a interrupt routine is called where i read again the accels
  • [18:53:16] <siegen> i need some timer to do this
  • [18:53:23] <siegen> or not?
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  • [18:54:19] <siegen> the timer interrupt will ensure as well that a read the accel in a fixed frequency
  • [18:54:43] <av500> no way from user space
  • [18:54:52] <siegen> i did this time ago with arduino :) but was much more easy
  • [18:54:53] <av500> oh well, 5ms sounds doable
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  • [18:55:12] <av500> i think you need a kernel driver
  • [18:55:23] <av500> siegen: how fast can you read your 12 accels?
  • [18:55:26] <av500> in total?
  • [18:55:41] <siegen> the accelerometers have some register you can choose the sample rate
  • [18:55:46] <siegen> up to 3200 hz
  • [18:56:00] <av500> you read them from i2c
  • [18:56:04] <av500> so that defines the speed
  • [18:56:05] <siegen> i mean if that 5ms are lee it would be better :)
  • [18:56:17] <siegen> yes
  • [18:56:18] <siegen> from i2c
  • [18:56:31] <av500> so how fast can you read them
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  • [18:56:43] <siegen> i am trying with sPI but i cannot put it working
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  • [18:57:05] <siegen> i read like 80 or 100 readings per minute (the 12 accel)
  • [18:57:07] <av500> can you read all 12 sensors every 5ms?
  • [18:57:20] <siegen> i dont know hehehe
  • [18:57:25] <av500> so, 12 x 100 /minuts?
  • [18:57:28] <av500> so, 12 x 100 /minute?
  • [18:57:36] <av500> = 1200/min
  • [18:58:09] <siegen> sorry i explained worng
  • [18:58:12] <av500> = 20/second
  • [18:58:31] <av500> = every 50ms
  • [18:58:39] <siegen> i read from the 12 accel 100 readings per minute ( 100 readings from each one)
  • [18:58:46] <av500> yes, 1200
  • [18:58:53] <siegen> ok
  • [18:58:56] <siegen> hehe
  • [18:58:58] <siegen> right
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  • [18:59:36] <av500> so you need one reading every 50ms
  • [19:00:28] <siegen> actually as fast as can be
  • [19:00:32] <siegen> but yes
  • [19:00:50] <av500> as fast as can be -> kernel driver
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  • [19:01:16] <siegen> that is my problem ...kernel driver?
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  • [19:01:17] <siegen> :)
  • [19:01:36] <av500> we dont know, until you can state your problem :)
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  • [19:03:02] <siegen> the problem is that i need a very fast readings beacause these values will be proccessed by a kalman filter latter
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  • [19:03:43] <siegen> and i dont know if is the i2c or that my app is reading from /dev/i2c and that takes time
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  • [19:03:47] <siegen> ???
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  • [19:14:51] <av500> siegen: well, find out
  • [19:20:46] <siegen> eh
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  • [19:20:52] <siegen> what? :O
  • [19:21:08] <djlewis> arrgh! gonna get snowed in again.
  • [19:21:24] <prpplague> djlewis: probably on wed. here too
  • [19:21:26] <siegen> winter :s
  • [19:21:46] <djlewis> prpplague: you are in the flat lands ;P
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  • [19:23:34] <siegen> av500: what you mean?
  • [19:23:47] <av500> siegen: do some homework
  • [19:24:52] <siegen> av500: what kind of homework :)
  • [19:25:45] <av500> [20:03:43] <siegen> and i dont know if is the i2c or that my app is reading from /dev/i2c and that takes time
  • [19:29:56] <siegen> so what i know is that the i2c bus2 clock frequency is 400khz and that my code read the i2c bus through /dev/i2c-2 dealing as a file (ioctl...) but the filesystem is in the sdcard so maybe to access to the sd takes time
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  • [19:32:20] <woglinde_> 12 12 accels?
  • [19:32:25] <woglinde_> holy shit
  • [19:32:29] <siegen> i think accesing to a timer from the bb would be nice in order to measure execution times...?
  • [19:32:30] <siegen> hehe
  • [19:32:36] <siegen> is for a good cause
  • [19:32:58] <siegen> designing a navigation system m for blind people
  • [19:33:18] <woglinde_> with 12 accels?
  • [19:33:25] <siegen> without GPS
  • [19:33:38] <woglinde_> so its useless
  • [19:33:44] <siegen> why?
  • [19:34:23] <siegen> GPs is expensive compared with accel
  • [19:35:08] <siegen> and GPS doesnt work inside buildings
  • [19:35:13] <siegen> with accels yes
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  • [19:36:21] <Schamtoo> Hi, I just acquired a beagleboard, and im trying to interface with it, unfortunately when i use minicom to connect, it's tossing out weird characters
  • [19:36:35] <av500> check the cabling
  • [19:36:59] <av500> siegen: you can use std linux timers to measure with millisecond accuracy
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  • [19:37:10] <Schamtoo> i've tried connecting, and reconnecting, no luck. Using a USB-> Serial connector, and the minicom set up is correctly
  • [19:37:30] <av500> siegen: clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, &tv );
  • [19:37:31] <siegen> aha! std linux timers
  • [19:37:34] <siegen> hmm interesting
  • [19:37:48] <av500> in the end, that runs of a GPTIMER too
  • [19:38:36] <siegen> thanks av500 now i have homework
  • [19:38:39] <siegen> hehe :)
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  • [19:40:57] * av500 wants a report, nothing fancy, a few animated slides will do
  • [19:42:10] <siegen> is that more homework? :)
  • [19:44:18] <Schamtoo> So i dont get the uboot prompt at all
  • [19:44:33] <Schamtoo> it just pops up with block characters, "60", more block characters
  • [19:46:20] <topfs2> siegen, here are some animations incase you need it for the presentation http://www.presentermedia.com/index.php?target=category&id=115&maincat=animsp
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  • [19:47:41] <siegen> topfs2: hahaha ok I will keep it on my bookmarks ;)
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  • [19:48:02] <topfs2> always good to have that when av500 gives homework :)
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  • [19:48:30] <lorrden> Someone here who is really good with the Cortex MMU?
  • [19:48:42] <siegen> but the presentation will take time cuz i am now full with exams
  • [19:48:47] <siegen> :|
  • [19:49:52] <av500> topfs2: i detect these, they have to be fresh and new :)
  • [19:50:02] <siegen> hahaha
  • [19:50:12] <topfs2> darn
  • [19:50:13] <topfs2> :)
  • [19:52:05] <siegen> ok guys here is 8:50 pm so time for dinner thanks for the clues!
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  • [20:10:44] <prpplague> jkridner_: ping
  • [20:10:58] <jkridner_> pong
  • [20:14:33] <prpplague> jkridner_: rusty is going to a 50 unit run of trainer with xM pins
  • [20:14:43] <jkridner_> cool!
  • [20:15:04] * jkridner_ needs a quick little blog post to share on the news feed.
  • [20:15:06] <prpplague> jkridner_: need to contact rusty@tincantools.com to make arraigments for the qty you need
  • [20:15:17] <jkridner_> will do!
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  • [20:18:45] <djlewis> cool, trainer boards :)
  • [20:20:14] <prpplague> jkridner_: panda with lvds? http://www.elinux.org/PandaBoard_lvds
  • [20:20:39] <jkridner_> ping Vaibhav on that one. do you know him?
  • [20:21:49] <prpplague> jkridner_: yea he is on the email thread
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  • [20:30:12] <lwithers> hi, which kernel tree should I start with if I want to experiment with a Beagleboard xM? is the support in the stock 2.6.37 pretty comprehensive or do I need to pull in some additional patches?
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  • [20:42:16] <kyv> does it take hours to boot debian install from SD on beagle, or should i be worried?
  • [20:44:52] <kblin> I'd get the serial cable if I were you :)
  • [20:45:04] * jkridner_ gets lazy and sends out HTML mail on the beagleboard mailing list and apologizes here now.
  • [20:45:55] <woglinde_> haha
  • [20:48:39] <kyv> kblin: ?
  • [20:49:42] <kyv> serial cable is attached
  • [20:50:34] <kblin> kyv: and you don't see the boot happening on the serial console?
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  • [20:51:15] <kblin> I hate power outages
  • [20:51:30] <kblin> it seems like one hdd is shot and my dockstar doesn't come up either :/
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  • [20:52:50] <kyv> kblin: no last think printed on the serial console was uncompressing and booting kernel
  • [20:53:09] <kyv> a couple of hours ago :/
  • [20:54:02] <kyv> though user led is happily blinking
  • [20:54:35] <AlTheKiller> New kernel?
  • [20:54:42] <AlTheKiller> They renamed the serial ports for some reason.
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  • [20:56:06] <kyv> humm yea maybe output isnt making to serial
  • [20:56:48] <_av500_> kyv: could be slow sdcard
  • [20:57:05] <_av500_> do you know if debian is supposed to output kernel serial stuff?
  • [20:58:40] <kyv> _av500_: i do not know
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  • [20:59:43] <_av500_> ask
  • [21:01:42] <kyv> _av500_: does debian ouput kernel serial stuff?
  • [21:01:49] <kyv> :P
  • [21:04:34] <_av500_> do look like #debian
  • [21:04:40] <_av500_> do I look like #debian
  • [21:05:15] <_av500_> as shocking as it might be, #beagle is not a cross of google and wikipedia
  • [21:05:55] <kyv> yes that was a little joke, i amm looking elsewhere
  • [21:06:03] <_av500_> your debian did not come out of /dev/random, did it?
  • [21:06:19] * jkridner_ wonders if it is worth training BeagleBot to search Google and Wikipedia just to troll _av500_.
  • [21:08:18] <_av500_> please do :)
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  • [21:12:27] <aholler> lwithers: .37 is ok
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  • [21:13:33] <lwithers> aholler: thanks
  • [21:13:44] <aholler> that pandaboard-picture us funny, talking about open but having everything closed ;))
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  • [21:27:45] <jkridner_> calculus, ds2: I hear you guys are headed to SCALE9x.
  • [21:28:17] <jkridner_> let me know if there is anything I can do, such as give a few boards, flyers, etc., if you wanted to do anything related to BeagleBoard.org.
  • [21:28:53] <_av500_> aholler: what picture?
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  • [21:33:59] <aholler> http://www.elinux.org/PandaBoard_lvds
  • [21:34:35] <_av500_> omg, blue LEDs
  • [21:34:50] <jayabharath> aholler: that's the prpplague's panda lunch box
  • [21:36:21] <aholler> but it's closed and that doesn't confirm the open on the sticker ;)
  • [21:36:21] <koen> Crofton|work: you need to enter a GSoC for controlling the cyberspectrum with a beagle
  • [21:36:51] <prpplague> _av500_: i put the leds in there just for you
  • [21:37:05] <jayabharath> aholler: the lunch box does open :D
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  • [21:42:16] <aholler> it was just the first idea I got, talking about open using a "don't touch me" box, sorry ;)
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  • [21:49:06] * djlewis hates blue led's
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  • [21:50:17] <prpplague> aholler: just makes it easier to carry
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  • [21:50:31] <djlewis> room for some fishing tackle too :)
  • [21:50:58] <mru> djlewis: yeah, blue LEDs are overused
  • [21:52:03] <aholler> they are too bright
  • [21:52:19] <mru> surely it's possible to make a dim blue LED
  • [21:52:23] <mru> but nobody does
  • [21:52:31] <djlewis> specially at night when you want to leave a device on but it has damn BLUE LED"S!
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  • [21:52:44] <mru> because those who use blue LEDs want people to go OMG HE CAN HAZ BLUE LED
  • [21:52:55] <djlewis> hehee
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  • [21:53:02] <AlTheKiller> Aren't blue LEDs the reason someone invented electrical tape?
  • [21:53:32] <aholler> big blue?
  • [21:53:33] * djlewis has covered the darn things with all sorts of stuff
  • [21:53:39] <GatorBoz> custom OMAP3530 board stops at "..., booting the kernel". Any strategies on where to start the debug?
  • [21:53:46] <_av500_> AlTheKiller: one of my monitors, blinking blue led in standby, taped
  • [21:53:57] <AlTheKiller> Samsung?
  • [21:54:01] <AlTheKiller> Mine is same way.
  • [21:54:03] <_av500_> bingo
  • [21:54:20] <_av500_> i could almost read by that light
  • [21:54:48] <_av500_> GatorBoz: change the serial to ttyO2
  • [21:54:58] <djlewis> they are too bright in the bedroom to sleep by :(
  • [21:55:04] <_av500_> enable earlyprintk
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  • [21:55:15] <GatorBoz> _av500_: ok........i thought I had both of those set....will check
  • [21:55:24] <djlewis> white walls and ceiling and it takes only one little BLUE LED!
  • [21:55:28] <_av500_> GatorBoz: O2 assuming the kernel is new enough
  • [21:55:44] <GatorBoz> _av500_: Froyo
  • [21:55:51] <_av500_> GatorBoz: and check sdram setting as kernel unpack can hang or crash there
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  • [21:55:58] <_av500_> GatorBoz: says nothing
  • [21:56:03] <AlTheKiller> I spent two days thinking my toolchain broke somehow before figuring that one out.
  • [21:56:06] <_av500_> i seen froyo on .25
  • [21:56:11] <AlTheKiller> Dick move on someone's part.
  • [21:56:45] <woglinde_> av500 lol who got the extra pain money for backporting dalvik?
  • [21:56:51] <_av500_> woglinde_: ???
  • [21:56:58] <_av500_> dalvik is user space
  • [21:57:08] <_av500_> android patches are small and isolated
  • [21:57:18] <_av500_> having them on .25 is easy
  • [21:57:32] <_av500_> android is 95% userspace
  • [21:57:39] <_av500_> running on linux
  • [21:57:51] <djlewis> seems some snow is melting into my rain gauge, 0.14 inches rain today
  • [21:58:32] <mru> 95% userspace, 3% kernelspace, and 2% outer space
  • [21:58:38] <woglinde_> av500 hm okay, never looked at the kernel patches this much
  • [21:59:01] <mru> virtualisers run in hyperspace
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  • [21:59:42] <_av500_> woglinde_: there aint much to see
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  • [22:01:14] <SPow> gosh I hate VB.NET so much ...
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  • [22:01:38] <SPow> freezed my computer for ~10 minutes
  • [22:01:43] <SPow> 3 times in a row
  • [22:02:08] <aholler> there are two things wrong: vb and .net
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  • [22:02:22] <SPow> yep, we do share this opinion
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  • [22:04:02] <GatorBoz> _av500_ what is the difference between ttyS2 and tty02
  • [22:04:22] <GatorBoz> _av500_ make that O2
  • [22:04:54] <aholler> the name. O is used in .37+
  • [22:05:10] <Ceriand|work> .35-rc6+
  • [22:05:31] <aholler> oh in 36 too?
  • [22:05:36] <Ceriand|work> yea
  • [22:05:43] <GatorBoz> 2.6.32 is what I am using
  • [22:06:33] <aholler> do the leds blink?
  • [22:06:51] <aholler> oh, android ...
  • [22:07:30] <GatorBoz> custom board...
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  • [22:08:08] <GatorBoz> is an init Ramdisk required?
  • [22:09:00] <aholler> no
  • [22:09:11] <SPow> btw since it might interst a few here : in France we have a tax on every material storage to finance culture, and we have a French manufacturer of tablets named Archos (here comes the fun fact) : if you run Win7 on it, you do not pay the tax, if you run Android, you pay ^^
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  • [22:13:43] <aholler> that becomed reality?
  • [22:14:25] <spikebike> SPow: ya, saw that when it hit the news... sad
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  • [22:21:59] <_av500_> SPow: yes, sad and true
  • [22:22:12] <_av500_> SPow: and i work there :)
  • [22:22:23] <SPow> you worked for archos ?
  • [22:22:30] <mru> workS
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  • [22:22:43] <SPow> that's a dreamjob !
  • [22:23:06] <mru> sure, if you like shouting at TI
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  • [22:24:07] <spikebike> heh
  • [22:24:09] <SPow> arf I take it you work there as well
  • [22:24:17] <mru> nope
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  • [22:25:12] <SPow> it does at least explain av500's nick ^^
  • [22:25:20] <mru> that it does
  • [22:25:48] <_av500_> SPow: u can work there too
  • [22:26:58] <SPow> you take 4 months interns ? (usually well-renowed companies don't even bother with 4th year students)
  • [22:27:03] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:27:19] <SPow> mmh intresting
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  • [22:27:55] <mru> SPow: first you have prove you're worthy
  • [22:28:44] <SPow> yeah sadly I just started embedded electronics, I studied mechanics before that
  • [22:28:57] <SPow> and I'm more of a PIC fan
  • [22:29:02] <_av500_> ah well
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  • [22:29:33] <mru> SPow: you like position independent code?
  • [22:29:49] <mru> I suppose rule 34 really does hold...
  • [22:30:06] <SPow> huh ?
  • [22:30:09] <Ceriand|work> lol
  • [22:30:24] <kyv_> is it possible that my serial por is not ttyS2?
  • [22:30:34] <_av500_> try ttyO2
  • [22:30:35] <SPow> PIC as in microcontrollers
  • [22:30:45] <mru> SPow: I know what PIC uC is
  • [22:30:53] <_av500_> and then all the other letters of the alphabet, lest they have changed it again
  • [22:31:22] <mru> _av500_: ttys can have multi-letter names too, cf ttyUSB0
  • [22:31:27] <mru> and ttyACM
  • [22:31:41] <_av500_> ttyMYSOCMUSTHAVEITSOWNSERIALNAME
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  • [22:32:06] <SPow> ok now I know what rule 34 is, thanks urbandictionary ^^
  • [22:32:09] <mru> _av500_: it's actually a weird kernel thing iiuc
  • [22:32:24] <mru> each driver has to have a unique name
  • [22:32:38] <mru> which isn't all that weird, come to think of it
  • [22:32:53] <mru> how else could the console= param work?
  • [22:33:29] <_av500_> so i can have ttyS0 and ttyO0 in the kernel at the same time?
  • [22:33:45] <_av500_> and they coexist happily on the same uart?
  • [22:33:48] <GatorBoz> Hmm, kernel is still stuck at "booting the kernel"
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  • [22:33:59] <GatorBoz> early printks are on
  • [22:34:09] <GatorBoz> ttyO2 and ttyS2 both tried
  • [22:34:18] <_av500_> that should not matter yet
  • [22:34:27] <_av500_> early printk does not use console=
  • [22:34:31] <_av500_> afaik
  • [22:34:36] <GatorBoz> it uses a log?
  • [22:34:44] <_av500_> it might assume the serial is already set by bootloader
  • [22:35:19] <GatorBoz> jtag debugger is staring at me
  • [22:36:00] <mru> _av500_: there are several uarts
  • [22:36:09] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:36:11] <mru> presumably you could run ttyS on some and ttyO on others
  • [22:36:14] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:36:20] <_av500_> that would still not collide
  • [22:36:20] <Ceriand|work> GatorBoz: you can read out the log after you reboot if you don't cut the power
  • [22:36:53] <GatorBoz> how would I access that?
  • [22:37:04] <_av500_> read some mem from uboot
  • [22:37:06] <Ceriand|work> find the address: "nm vmlinux| grep __log_buf", replace the leading "c" with an "8" and use u-boot to dump the log
  • [22:37:31] <GatorBoz> :)
  • [22:37:50] <mru> and hope u-boot doesn't use the same memory location
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  • [22:38:15] <_av500_> GatorBoz: since you see the "uncompressing" message, put more such printfs after the uncompression
  • [22:38:34] <_av500_> or even inside the loop
  • [22:38:39] <Ceriand|work> there's also a kernel option for an oops buffer at a specific address
  • [22:38:45] <_av500_> printf your way till the kernel is invoked
  • [22:38:58] <_av500_> poor mans jtag
  • [22:39:07] <_av500_> +'
  • [22:39:23] <mru> printj
  • [22:39:36] <_av500_> jprint
  • [22:40:43] <GatorBoz> Ceriand|work: very thankful :)
  • [22:40:52] <GatorBoz> Ceriand|work: log buffer is logging
  • [22:41:05] <GatorBoz> Ceriand|work: i think I am probably on the wrong console
  • [22:41:13] <GatorBoz> Ceriand|work: hence no output....
  • [22:41:35] <Ceriand|work> it will log before the serial port is setup
  • [22:42:18] <Ceriand|work> once it sets up the serial port, it then dumps the log it has at the point
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  • [22:42:52] <Ceriand|work> it's helpful to see the last thing in the log to see what it tried to do last
  • [22:44:54] <GatorBoz> "please try 'cgroup_disable=memory' option if you don't wan't memory cgroups
  • [22:44:57] <GatorBoz> interesting
  • [22:45:03] <GatorBoz> another good one
  • [22:45:22] <GatorBoz> Bad page state...Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000004
  • [22:45:29] <GatorBoz> i guess I'll chew on this for a while
  • [22:45:30] <Ceriand|work> if you can post the entire log in a pastebin, someone might be able to help you out
  • [22:45:53] <aholler> he said it's a custom board...
  • [22:46:07] <GatorBoz> yep i'll probably still do a pastebin aholler :)
  • [22:47:06] <_av500_> aholler: they do tend to be similar
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  • [22:49:20] <aholler> ask mru about how much. mistral thought that too ;)
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  • [22:50:44] <mru> aholler: theirs boots
  • [22:51:01] <ericb2> sakoman: ping ?
  • [22:51:27] <mru> btw, how does the ddr controller in the am35xx compare to the omap4 one?
  • [22:51:35] <mru> they look mighty similar in the trm
  • [22:52:01] <ericb2> maybe someone else can answer: I'm using the Angstrom distribution (if I'm not wrong), but I don't see X11 , Xaw and c headers in the SDK. Where can I find a .Tar.gz of those headers ?
  • [22:53:08] * ericb2 searching on the Angstrom side ...
  • [22:53:26] <_av500_> ericb2: you could use the online builder to make you a rootfs with
  • [22:53:34] <_av500_> or opkg foo
  • [22:54:27] <ericb2> _av500_: what is the online builder ? I remember I created "pre-installed image" using a tool named "narcissus" or something like that
  • [22:54:56] <_av500_> this one
  • [22:55:03] <ericb2> _av500_: ok :)
  • [22:55:18] * ericb2 starts to understand better now
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  • [23:09:01] <SPow> hehe the new google logo looks cool, nautilus ftw
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  • [23:13:15] <AngryParsley> I'm surprised how fast chrome is on the xm
  • [23:13:57] <spikebike> there's a chrome arm build?
  • [23:15:53] <AngryParsley> apparently so. check opkg
  • [23:16:39] <_av500_> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumArm
  • [23:18:25] <_av500_> armin76: aint you the arm chrome guy?
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  • [23:19:01] <AngryParsley> maybe he prefers the term "chrome arm guy" since that would make him sound like an awesome cyborg
  • [23:20:12] <spikebike> ah, chromium != chrome
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  • [23:40:02] <aitne> does anyone know the typical overall current draw or power drop of the Beagle-xM?
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  • [23:42:45] <_av500_> depends
  • [23:51:27] <sakoman> ericb2: pong
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  • [23:53:43] <sakoman> ericb2: ah, looks like av500 might have answered your question
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