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[06:18:18] <ds2> hm
[06:18:26] <_av500_> +1
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[06:27:30] <ds2> wow, shipments to europe is expensive outside of the post
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[06:27:40] <ds2> 1:5 difference
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[06:34:33] <_av500_> there is a big water to cross
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[06:42:54] <ds2> arrg... HDMI on the A101 is type C?
[06:43:02] <dm8tbr> yes
[06:43:26] <_av500_> nothing to arrgh
[06:43:35] <_av500_> about
[06:44:18] * dm8tbr forgot to order an adapter... the electronics market wanted 25??? - I laughed and left
[06:44:21] <ds2> _av500_: I don't think they make type C to type C cables
[06:44:37] <ds2> the 'arrg' is refering to yet another barrier to connecting up the Pico
[06:45:17] <_av500_> ds2: the chinese make every cable
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[06:46:15] <ds2> _av500_: got a link?
[06:46:18] <ds2> :D
[06:46:34] <ds2> I want a mini/mobile projector setup!!!
[06:46:58] <_av500_> ds2: which reminds me i need a pico to test
[06:48:13] <ds2> _av500_: is there a reason to believe it won't work (i.e. requires true HDMI w/HDCP or requires the DDC setup)?
[06:48:14] <_av500_> koen: ^^^^^^
[06:48:30] <_av500_> ds2: does it do edid?
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[06:49:09] <ds2> _av500_: nope
[06:49:25] <ds2> at least v1 did not; didn't check on the current v2 hw
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[06:51:54] <_av500_> we need to test then
[06:52:01] <_av500_> i can sppecial case it if needed
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[06:53:03] <ds2> so it a sw thing, not a hw blackbox chip?
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[07:01:05] <_av500_> sw
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[07:02:32] <ds2> nice
[07:02:46] <ds2> man, these things are about as common as an eagleboard :/
[07:06:12] <tasslehoff> After installing cpufrequtils I get some suspicious output on boot: http://pastebin.com/TvYruCy7. Anyone know what this is?
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[07:13:22] <ds2> _av500_: does the A101 use a true emmc or a socketed uSD card (a la chumby)?
[07:18:21] <_av500_> emmc
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[07:29:11] <_av500_> also the cpu is soldered down :)
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[07:29:32] <pupnik> _av500_: no way for me to create /dev/fb1, db2 without recompiling kernel?
[07:29:34] <pupnik> fb2
[07:29:40] <ds2> _av500_: is there only 1 A101 model or is there several of those like the 7" ones?
[07:30:00] <_av500_> 1
[07:30:11] <_av500_> different mem sizes maybe
[07:30:29] <_av500_> pupnik: right
[07:30:42] <_av500_> or use v4l2
[07:30:58] <ds2> so if the seller does not list bluetooth, I should not be worried that that I have the wrong version?
[07:31:06] <pupnik> _av500_: i haven't a clue how to do that - how about resizing X screen with xrandr?
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[07:31:47] <pupnik> pushing 800x480 @ 32bpp @ 60fps isn't something i can do
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[07:32:52] <pupnik> but if you say 'v4l2' can do it, i'll learn
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[07:35:54] <tasslehoff> can a script somehow check if an oops has occured? my kernel oops'ed during my upgrade script, but the upgrade script was allowed to finish anyway, with abysmal results
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[08:24:09] <sandy> hi
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[08:25:02] <Guest19696> I am need of Linux kernel for Beagle board xM.
[08:25:33] <av500> how much are you willing to pay?
[08:25:36] <Guest19696> I want to change some of the kernel options. Where can I get the linux kernel download
[08:25:48] <av500> I have a little used kernel for sale
[08:26:49] <Guest19696> Where can I get the kernel for free like the freely available kernel for C4 boards
[08:27:40] <tasslehoff> I see koen has reported my error as "expected and reportedly harmless", so nevermind the paste.
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[08:41:29] <kblin> Guest19696: pretty much the same place where you get the kernels for the other beagles
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[09:38:52] <jacekowski> Guest19696: have you tried google?
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[09:41:05] <hitlin37> free as in beer?
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[13:25:35] <woglinde> koen ping
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[13:50:28] <koen> woglinde: pong
[13:50:36] <woglinde> ah
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[14:26:26] <rsv> on mmc controller, MMCHS_HCTL register there is a setting for "SD bus voltage select" say 1.8V, 3V, 3,3V. what exactly this will do?
[14:26:38] <av500> select the bus voltage?
[14:26:51] <rsv> does setting it to 3.3 mean that the signal level for mmc pins will be 3.3V?
[14:27:04] <rsv> yes av500
[14:29:47] <woglinde> it isnt nice when the cable smokes
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[14:56:28] <Akz> hei
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[15:02:32] <Akz> I have set up an angstron distribution on my beagleboard and I wold like to build some applications on it. My goal i eventulay make some image processing with DSP. But i havend got even the simplest hello world to compile. Some help is needed :)
[15:02:54] <koen> Akz: go to the angstrom website and read the seconds news article
[15:02:56] <Akz> I have tried many tutorials but ended with errors
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[15:05:21] <Akz> I have the angtrom running on beagleboard
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[15:06:19] <av500> so what does not work?
[15:06:27] <Akz> Koen: yo mean the Simplified development setup post ?
[15:07:16] <Akz> on my host machine I can not crosscompile any c or cpp files
[15:07:25] <Akz> I run Ubuntu 10
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[15:15:56] <koen> last time I tried OE worked just find on ubuntu 10
[15:16:05] <koen> provided you don't have the broken 10.04 zlib
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[15:37:46] * jkridner|work wishes Gerald was in the IRC room to chat about software updates.
[15:41:36] <koen> jkridner|work: have you tried the updated uboot 2010.12 tree I pushed yet?
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[15:41:44] <koen> jkridner|work: and have you tried the .37rc8 kernel?
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[15:56:31] <rajesh> hi. same question as y'day... i have the default install on the sd-card of a new xm... i boot into it, make a change to fstab, reboot, and don't see the change. av500 suggested `sync` after the save, but that didn't work either.
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[15:57:00] <koen> it's a ramdisk
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[15:59:57] <av500> rajesh: what "default" install`
[15:59:59] <av500> rajesh: what "default" install?
[16:01:31] <rajesh> the default kernel 2.6.32 and angstrom distro that it comes with. as in, not something i installed.
[16:01:51] <av500> the one that runs in a ramdisk?
[16:01:55] <rajesh> also, a partitioning scheme that comes with it.
[16:01:58] <rajesh> yup.
[16:02:03] <av500> on the supplied sd card
[16:02:28] <rajesh> yes. that qualifies as default, doesn't it?
[16:02:37] <av500> yes
[16:02:45] <av500> it also qualifies as "ramdisk" :)
[16:02:53] <rajesh> yes.
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[16:09:55] <rajesh> and the newbie question still remains... if these questions sound like they're from someone completely new to the platform, that's 'cos I am. :)
[16:10:26] <av500> rajesh: its a ramdisk, whatever you do to it is gone after you reboot
[16:11:23] <rajesh> av500: yes, understood. i'm just searching for a response that points me in the direction so i can have it booted from sdc.
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[16:11:34] <rajesh> and i think i found a link to that.
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[16:43:08] <koen> "Filesystem is not FAT32, rebooting"
[16:44:30] <rajesh> when i had asked if people were running debian on the bb, the response was that a mini2410 was a better choice. would that also be the same response for ubuntu seekers?
[16:44:40] <av500> no
[16:44:41] <woglinde> o.O
[16:44:41] <rajesh> i can't imagine why it wouldn't be.
[16:44:48] <rajesh> ahh, ok.
[16:44:55] <rajesh> why not?
[16:44:57] <av500> for ubunut, find a large and powerfull pc
[16:45:24] <woglinde> av500 ubuntu runs on ac100
[16:45:32] <woglinde> but better disable gnome
[16:45:53] <av500> does ac100 also run linux?
[16:45:53] <muriani> I need to hook up my bb to a monitor and look at sakoman's gnome image
[16:45:54] <rajesh> all this assuming it's a base install being done.
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[16:46:09] <woglinde> av500 is it original android?
[16:46:10] <muriani> it's installed and configured, just haven't had a chance to play with it
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[16:46:25] <woglinde> is android linux?
[16:46:33] <av500> no, its not free!
[16:46:36] <muriani> android is a funky linux
[16:46:36] <rajesh> and because there's a lot of documentation for ubuntu install, but none for debian.
[16:46:55] <woglinde> rajesh its the same
[16:46:58] <woglinde> use debootstrap
[16:47:24] <rajesh> woglinde: ok. thanks.
[16:49:08] <woglinde> maybee you need to tweak the kernel
[16:49:14] <rajesh> there's an excellent walk-through for getting debian onto a sheevaplug ( http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Installing_Debian_To_Flash ).
[16:49:17] <woglinde> rajesh but you should get it done
[16:49:46] * koen wonders why untarring a tarball is so bloody hard
[16:50:08] <woglinde> koen debian tarball?
[16:50:23] <rajesh> woglinde: what kind of tweaks are we talking about?
[16:50:24] * woglinde hides
[16:50:24] <av500> maybe the use real tar?
[16:50:41] <woglinde> tarheel?
[16:53:18] <Crofton|work> anyone here use less on their beagle?
[16:53:34] <av500> mine is not useless
[16:53:36] <woglinde> crofton?
[16:53:52] <av500> but if was on it, it might render it useless
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[16:53:55] <Crofton|work> less aka more
[16:54:12] <Crofton|work> if I use less and do a / to search, it uses 100% cpu
[16:57:14] <woglinde> crofton intressting
[16:57:16] <woglinde> strace it
[16:58:58] <Crofton> I'll try updating to the latest non beta less first
[16:59:00] <jkridner|work> Crofton||work: yea, i use less on Beagle all the time.
[16:59:36] <Crofton> do you search?
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[17:00:46] <jkridner|work> no
[17:01:15] <Crofton> only happens when you search
[17:01:57] <woglinde> crofton strace it
[17:02:10] <Crofton> after I update
[17:02:20] <woglinde> the error will be gone
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[17:03:12] <tsahee> any one here running dsplink on the beagleboard?
[17:03:26] <av500> not on the BB but on omap3
[17:03:58] <tsahee> can you tell me which kernel/dsplink versions you are using?
[17:04:25] <Crofton> heh
[17:04:27] <tsahee> I got everything to compile - but when I try to run the samples - kernel panick
[17:04:41] <Crofton> looks like less in gplv3 and OE thinks it is bsd
[17:04:43] <av500> pastebin
[17:06:48] <woglinde> tshaee 2.6.32 you want
[17:06:55] <woglinde> -psp
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[17:09:51] <tsahee2> pastebin for kernel failing dsplink samples http://pastebin.com/kBUimcGS
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[17:17:24] <tsahee> woglinde: OK, 2.6.32 linux - do you know what version of dsplink?
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[17:20:01] <woglinde> tsahee are you using oe or do you compile the stuff yourself?
[17:22:05] <tsahee> my kernel, and most of the system, is OE. But the dsplink code (and anything from ti) was built outside oe - using the oe kernel and oe cross-compilers
[17:22:39] <av500> oe comes with dsplink, why not use that?
[17:23:32] <tsahee> it just failed to compile.
[17:23:46] <av500> koen: you oe is broken ^^^
[17:23:48] <av500> your
[17:25:11] <Crofton|work> we need a bot
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[17:25:43] <Crofton|work> btw, updating to newer less fixes search
[17:25:49] <Crofton|work> need to send this upstream
[17:25:57] <Crofton|work> as in to OE
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[17:37:23] <koen> dsplink builds just fine for angstrom in OE
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[17:37:39] <koen> I ran the testsuite yesterday to confirm it still works :)
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[17:39:55] <tsahee> Brace yourselves, this going to be one of those idiot questions...
[17:40:04] <koen> woglinde: do you have a ac100 kernel recipe that actually fetches?
[17:40:15] <tsahee> how's the dsplink recipie called?
[17:41:11] <tsahee> (better-memory update - what failed compiling at the time was the GPU driver)
[17:42:07] <Crofton|work> koen, when you are bored, can you update less in the feeds :)
[17:42:49] <koen> not more?
[17:45:55] <woglinde> koen does it not?
[17:45:58] <woglinde> damn
[17:46:27] <woglinde> will fix it from home
[17:46:32] <woglinde> there it worked
[17:46:43] <woglinde> koen for now the kernel is only dummy for compiling
[17:47:02] <woglinde> the images are working the the kernelpartitions floating around
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[17:58:12] <koen> woglinde: http://pastebin.com/UvuvE0kD
[17:58:59] <woglinde> I didnt want to fetch the whole repo
[17:59:15] <woglinde> at home with my shiity connection
[17:59:19] <koen> that's better than a nonworking fetch :)
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[18:01:19] <woglinde> yeah feel free to commit
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[18:04:03] <woglinde> koen there is oneproblem with fpu=hard openjdk will not compile
[18:04:56] <av500> why not?
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[18:06:13] <woglinde> av500 because of the j2ee asm stuff
[18:06:35] <woglinde> args
[18:06:37] <woglinde> thumbee
[18:06:44] <woglinde> okay will heading home
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[18:29:56] <djlewis_> gm
[18:29:59] <av500> gm
[18:32:15] <Crofton|work> any thoughs on loading a vector of floats so that I load each float into two adajacent neon registers
[18:32:40] <av500> soft or hard floats?
[18:32:50] <Crofton|work> so f0 goes to s0 and s1, f1 to s2 and s3
[18:32:58] * Crofton|work slaps av500
[18:33:14] <av500> he, we will meet soon, be carefull :)
[18:33:26] <Crofton|work> yes
[18:33:48] <av500> Crofton|work: bring me some fancy SDR :)
[18:34:52] <koen> iirc there's an instruction for that
[18:35:12] <Crofton|work> vdup I think
[18:35:13] <av500> loadfloat
[18:35:28] <Crofton|work> I will bring a fancy sdr, but will take it home :)
[18:36:38] <Crofton|work> I think vdup lets me do f0 to so and s1
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[18:37:01] <Crofton|work> but not load an entire Q reg at once from two 32 bit arm addresses
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[18:38:54] <koen> I can bring a fancy SDR as well to fosdem :)
[18:38:59] <koen> and take it home
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[18:57:44] <Crofton|work> I would kill for an explanantion in NEON for dummies
[18:57:54] <Crofton|work> some of the docs are completely useless
[18:58:22] <av500> Crofton|work: certain 3 letter nick would says arm arm is all you need....
[18:59:32] <Crofton|work> well, he is no dummy
[19:00:11] <koen> he's an anagram for rum
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[19:16:35] <rajesh> http://pastebin.com/eD9RtATZ : i always see a 'bad crc /nand' - is this common?
[19:17:12] <av500> yes
[19:17:26] <av500> NAND: 0 MiB
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[19:25:51] <rajesh> thanks av500. i'm looking at the wiki page on u-boot booting which redirects to the fedora install page. which, in turn, starts with a disclaimer of being outdated.
[19:26:06] <av500> fedora?
[19:26:35] <koen> wikis are outdated by design
[19:26:46] <rajesh> yeah. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard - note on U-Boot booting... Note: saveenv will not work on the xM. You will need to create a boot.scr file in the FAT partition for the xM. See set up u-boot
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[19:28:06] <rajesh> /media/card shows - MLO ramdisk.gz, ramfs.img, u-boot.bin, uImage, user.scr
[19:28:15] <rajesh> s/shows/contains
[19:28:44] <Crofton|work> stupid arm website
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[19:40:37] <rajesh> koen: if the first requirement is to check the wiki, then saying it's outdated doesn't make sense.
[19:41:39] <rajesh> what's frustrating in this case is that one wiki links to a completely different wiki maintained by very different groups of people.
[19:41:47] <djlewis_> might be more a be aware of it kind of thing
[19:42:47] <Crofton|work> rajesh, koen is a bot that has a set of remarks it makes everytime it sees the word wiki
[19:43:03] <rajesh> mhmm
[19:43:36] <djlewis_> rajesh: the wiki is being touched "page was last modified on 2 December 2010, at 16:58."
[19:45:43] <koen> I don't keep usefull info in a wiki
[19:46:46] <koen> I'm amazed by the people on the mailinglist blogging that "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2" untars a tarball
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[19:54:54] <sakoman_> damn, didn't work
[19:55:07] <sakoman_> :-)
[19:55:11] <koen> have you ported mplayer yet?
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[19:57:34] <ds2> what about porting manifolds so a beagle can better control thing
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[20:01:00] <Crofton|work> sakoman_, I am guessing HokieTux and i are the only people using less
[20:01:10] <Crofton|work> and using it to search in text files :)
[20:01:26] <HokieTux> haha
[20:01:44] <_av500_> Crofton|work: well, i use less all day
[20:02:03] <ds2> more better then less
[20:02:16] <_av500_> and some day i also useless
[20:02:19] <Crofton|work> on the omap3 stuff I have, it goes 100% cpu when you try to search using /foo
[20:02:40] <_av500_> Crofton|work: thats why i do it on a 8 core cpy
[20:02:42] <_av500_> cpu
[20:04:10] <Crofton|work> I am beginning to huillicinate
[20:04:20] <Crofton|work> no wonder mru seems a bit funny at times
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[20:18:21] <djlewis_> Crofton|work: i been noticing that about mru too lately
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[20:18:35] <Crofton|work> just lately :)
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[20:19:52] <ds2> maybe it is the moist winter air bring about the right shrooms?
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[20:27:39] * sakoman_ has mushrooms poking up everywhere. perfect conditions. sadly none seem to be edible types :-(
[20:27:54] <ds2> sakoman: are you getting any frost at all?
[20:27:58] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: no, I don't use less
[20:28:14] <sakoman_> ds2: yeah, the last couple of mornings there was frost on the ground
[20:28:24] <ds2> sakoman: and your banannas survived?
[20:28:45] <sakoman_> ds2: the leaves all die back with a frost
[20:29:14] <sakoman_> I cut the trunks off about 2-3' above ground and they start coming back in March/April
[20:29:33] <ds2> so you will not be getting any bananas this year then?
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[20:32:16] <_av500_> sakoman_: your bananas need pyjamas!
[20:32:37] <sakoman_> av500: nah, I don't want to spoil them!
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[20:33:10] <sakoman_> ds2: No, I weill likely get blooms again this year
[20:33:26] <sakoman_> I have one or 2 that bloom per year
[20:33:39] <sakoman_> never have gotten any edible fruit though :-(
[20:34:01] <ds2> sakoman: Hmmmmm... I have never gotten blooms...even after last year's stint in a makeshift greenhouse to prserve teh stalks
[20:34:02] <sakoman_> I consider them ornamentals and marvel that they grow here at all
[20:34:18] <sakoman_> let alone bloom
[20:34:38] <sakoman_> stalks don't really matter
[20:35:05] <sakoman_> the banana plant is "programmed" to push a bloom after N sets of leaves, and then dies
[20:35:27] <sakoman_> but of course pushes up a few "pups" around the base before then
[20:35:51] <Crofton|work> so these are not for survival purposes then :)
[20:35:59] <sakoman_> heh, hardly!
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[20:36:36] <sakoman_> it would be quite tough to grow all your own food!
[20:38:50] <koen> Crofton|work: less is in
[20:40:50] <ds2> I get enough leaves on that thing to do a tropical BBQ and use them as plates
[20:41:27] <Crofton|work> HokieTux, ping
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[20:47:11] <sakoman_> ds2: yeah, same here
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[20:47:30] <ds2> but I have never seen a single bloom on them in almost 10 years
[20:47:32] <sakoman_> serve fish head curry on them for that authentic singapore touch
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[20:50:09] <Crofton|work> I propose a #beagle picnic at sakoman_'s
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[21:00:22] <jkridner|work> anyone here tried Gingerbread on the BeagleBoard using https://github.com/sola-dolphin1/OHA-Android-2.3_r1.0?
[21:00:57] <_av500_> gits are like wikis
[21:01:01] <_av500_> so many of them
[21:01:35] <_av500_> jkridner|work: i guess it works, linux runs linux
[21:01:57] <jkridner|work> all at different quality levels. :)
[21:03:19] <_av500_> jkridner|work: once you have a kernel with android patches
[21:03:27] <_av500_> running android user space is no magic
[21:03:47] <_av500_> and android patches run on .25 up to latest
[21:04:11] <_av500_> android is nothing special, its a linux userspace
[21:06:12] <jkridner|work> getting multimedia on top of it can be a hassle.
[21:06:26] <_av500_> jkridner|work: true for any embedded linux :)
[21:06:41] <_av500_> unless you run arm only
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[21:43:40] <muriani> huh.
[21:43:47] <muriani> Windows 8 will support ARM.
[21:43:55] <muriani> with TI and others on board for support
[21:44:06] <sakoman_> for those who are interested, I've started adding some of the detailed plots of performance for various brands of SD card
[21:44:12] <sakoman_> http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
[21:44:20] <muriani> oooh, nifty.
[21:44:34] <sakoman_> Amazing how little corelation between card "class" and real word performance
[21:44:49] <muriani> So I see.
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[21:45:02] <muriani> topram looks closest
[21:45:03] <sakoman_> best test so far seems to be angstrom "first boot"
[21:45:16] <sakoman_> it corelates very well with my subjective impression
[21:45:18] <muriani> the card I have kinda in the middle :/
[21:45:40] <muriani> huh
[21:45:45] <sakoman_> So my recommendation is to use topram, sandisk, or trnascend
[21:45:53] <sakoman_> transcend
[21:46:24] <muriani> the sandisk class 2 has shorter first boot than most, yet scores second lowest read, and lowest write.
[21:46:26] <sakoman_> will be testing a few more brands over the coming week, and filling in the detailed plots
[21:47:01] <sakoman_> yes, I think when wear leveling algorithms kick in it can cause a serious performance hit
[21:47:16] <muriani> possibly
[21:47:31] <muriani> ah well, I'm just glad I have a working SD card now :)
[21:47:36] <sakoman_> :-)
[21:47:42] <muriani> my transcend bit the dust a few weeks back
[21:47:50] <sakoman_> they all eventually die
[21:48:02] <muriani> yeah
[21:48:09] <sakoman_> I had a sandisk that I was using for a couple of years go belly up a couple of weeks ago
[21:48:14] <muriani> didn't last as long as other, more heavily used ones I have though
[21:48:17] <muriani> so dunno.
[21:48:38] <sakoman_> sounds like a need for another benchmark for lifetime :-)
[21:49:20] <muriani> yeah, you'd want to test multiple of the same card though, to get an MTBF of sorts.
[21:49:23] <sakoman_> can't get the ADATA brand to work with OMAP, need to investigate since the two cards work with my desktop machine
[21:49:36] <muriani> I've had issue with ADATA cards
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[21:49:47] <sakoman_> well, there you go!
[21:49:49] <muriani> and RAM.
[21:50:01] <sakoman_> I wonder if it is a hw or sw issue
[21:50:05] <sakoman_> we'll see . . .
[21:50:37] <sakoman_> well, time to go out & enjoy the sunny weather
[21:50:41] <sakoman_> later!
[21:50:45] <muriani> Enjoy!
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[22:05:57] <djlewis_> sakoman_: cool chart, thanks
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[22:35:02] <ShadowJK> So, Class rating is *minimum* *sequential* *write* speed. All 3 emphasized words matter here, because it totally does not apply to any other use pattern :-)
[22:35:47] <ShadowJK> Oh, there's also that condition about the card being in best internal fragmentation state :-)
[22:36:09] <ShadowJK> So the class rating basically a minimum guarantee for the sequential write speed on a fresh unused card :-D
[22:37:37] <ShadowJK> (those iozone results are funny, it's probably RAM buffered)
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[22:40:31] <ShadowJK> After reading this: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 I started wondering if sandisk is the only one we can trust..
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[22:41:28] <ShadowJK> And certainly from real life "it feels like" experience Sandish class 2 felt as fast or faster compared to transcend class 6, for the random read/write mix of small record sizes :/
[22:42:18] <cbrake> is anyone using the OMAP3530 with NAND that requires 4-bit ECC?
[22:42:42] <djlewis_> ShadowJK: I saw that kingston cloning in another article some time back.
[22:43:05] <ShadowJK> Interesting part here is, I think, that it wasn't "cloning" as such
[22:43:08] <ShadowJK> or atleast I get that impression
[22:43:22] <djlewis_> not good cloning anyways
[22:44:07] <ShadowJK> I got the impression that Kingston just used a different supplier with different microsd innards for some batches and sandisk/toshiba for other batches, selling it as the same product
[22:44:22] <ShadowJK> with the different supplier being a particulary crappy one :-)
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[22:54:44] * djlewis_ believes that any product that is manufactured in China for another country is duped.
[22:55:32] <djlewis_> for ex, cant purchase mainboards for namebrand computers locally but can easily from overseas
[22:56:10] <djlewis_> and if they can be found locally they are generally through a redistrubution.
[22:56:15] <djlewis_> but thats al right :)
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[22:59:08] <_av500_> ShadowJK: that is the one usage pattern for digicams
[22:59:19] <_av500_> so they are all optimized for that
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[23:04:13] <ShadowJK> yeah
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[23:20:07] <Crofton|work> anyone know how to view the NEON registers with gdb?
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[23:31:10] <_av500_> Crofton|work: there was patches for it
[23:31:20] <_av500_> it was on the bb ml 1y ago or so
[23:31:38] <Crofton|work> never went upstream?
[23:31:42] <_av500_> no idea
[23:31:51] <_av500_> i did not follow it
[23:32:59] <Crofton|work> I have a similar recollection ...
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