• [00:00:40] <holmes123> aholler: thanks a ton for helping me see my next steps
  • [00:01:13] <aholler> use debian, ubuntu, angstrom, gentoo, whatever. this enables you to use a native toolchain and stuff like gdb or whatever.
  • [00:01:47] <aholler> and you can learn to use a fb on a normal pc.
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  • [00:02:03] <aholler> maybe you should start with installing linux on your pc ;)
  • [00:02:53] <holmes123> aholler: yeah, currently I am running ubuntu but i just use it to build stuff for beagle
  • [00:03:27] <holmes123> aholler: I have a lot to learn yet..
  • [00:03:43] <aholler> than you can already play with an fb, ls /dev/fb* should show one.
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  • [00:05:59] <holmes123> aholler: where can I learn what I can do to play with fb0?
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  • [00:11:21] <buZz> holmes123: you could run SDL apps and let them output to the framebuffer ;)
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  • [00:12:08] <holmes123> ok, i'll look into that
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  • [00:12:16] <holmes123> thanks!
  • [00:12:19] <buZz> np
  • [00:12:30] <buZz> scummvm is a nice SDL app
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  • [00:12:52] <buZz> to run old adventure games, like 'day of the tentacle'
  • [00:13:40] <holmes123> nice
  • [00:14:45] <aholler> books are good.
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  • [00:16:59] <aholler> and your X should have a fb-driver. Use that and you have desktop using your framebuffer
  • [00:17:45] <mrj10> buZz: was just playing DotT the other day :)
  • [00:18:32] <ds2> DotT? any relationship to the 'DoTA' game referenced in some music?
  • [00:18:51] <aholler> day of the tentacle
  • [00:18:54] <mrj10> day of the tentacle. not sure about DoTA
  • [00:19:11] <mrj10> oh, defense of the ancients?
  • [00:19:12] <holmes123> ok i'll look into the X fb
  • [00:19:25] <ds2> 'k
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  • [00:19:58] <buZz> dott is great :)
  • [00:20:21] <holmes123> i've got my work cut out for me now, thanks for answering my flood of newb questions :)
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  • [00:48:57] <bamboochas> i have problem in setting staticly interface in /etc/network/interfaces: auto usb0 <endl> iface usb0 inet static <endl> address 10.9.0.74 <endl> netmask 255.0.0.0 <endl> network 10.9.0.0 <endl> broadcast 10.255.255.255 <endl> gateway 10.9.0.74 Doing: ifconfig usb0 10.9.0.74 broadcast 10.255.255.255 netmask 255.0.0.0 up and route add default gw 10.9.0.75 work just fine XD what is wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces config ?
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  • [01:04:06] <topfs2> ping Jefro
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  • [02:00:13] <Jefro> topfs2 - pong
  • [02:00:42] <topfs2> Regarding gsoc cards, is the idea that its one for each student OR mentor or is it student AND mentor?
  • [02:00:45] <topfs2> just wanted to make sure :)
  • [02:00:56] <Jefro> one for each participant
  • [02:01:07] <topfs2> so both student and mentor can receive one?
  • [02:01:15] <Jefro> yup :)
  • [02:01:49] <Jefro> must head out - jkridner will have more details if needed
  • [02:02:29] <topfs2> Awesome, I have applied but considering I have the pandaboard I'm abit unsure how much use I will have for it which is why I wondered, i.e. if it was better if my mentor took it etc. :)
  • [02:02:37] <topfs2> Thanks for the help
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  • [02:25:23] <thurbad> dang.. fedex'd two sd cards with a work project on them when they arrived they were destroyed.... didn't even appear to be partitioned anymore
  • [02:25:59] <topfs2> ouch
  • [02:26:08] <thurbad> still wondering what they could have done to erase the cards
  • [02:26:23] <topfs2> I've been able to have mine in the washer without it getting destroyed
  • [02:26:43] <topfs2> thankfully since it had photos of a vaccation I obviously didn't backed up :)
  • [02:26:52] <thurbad> yeah I'm pretty sure standard xrays can do anything like that
  • [02:27:09] <topfs2> don't think so, walking through them in the airport does nothing
  • [02:27:20] <topfs2> But they aren't xrays perhaps
  • [02:27:31] <thurbad> but still.. something happend to them
  • [02:27:53] <topfs2> I'd talk to fedex, seems like something bad must have happened
  • [02:28:02] <topfs2> think if you would have shipped a computer, couldhave wiped it :)
  • [02:28:39] <thurbad> yeah payed about $150 for the shipping to get them there on time.. not a happy camper
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  • [02:30:37] <thurbad> dunno if I have any recourse though
  • [02:31:40] <buZz> thurbad: dont you have insurance?
  • [02:31:49] <buZz> and data is very valuable to you, i understand
  • [02:31:52] <buZz> so let them pay up
  • [02:32:35] <thurbad> actually the data is worthless since it wasn't there on time
  • [02:32:55] <thurbad> I have a feeling they won't honor the insurance
  • [02:33:55] <topfs2> worth trying atleast :)
  • [02:33:57] <thurbad> I insured them for $100, but there's no obvious physical damage (aside from the cards somehow being wiped)
  • [02:34:33] <topfs2> can't you upload a .img somewhere for them to dd to ?
  • [02:34:57] <thurbad> doing that now, the images are about 1GB
  • [02:35:22] <thurbad> and I only have 128kB up :(
  • [02:35:37] <thurbad> so that's about 7 hours of uploading
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  • [02:37:06] <thurbad> thankfully I finally foudn an image tool that will work in windows with ext33 partitions on the sd card :)
  • [02:37:17] <thurbad> err ext3
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  • [03:12:51] <dancios> thurbad: what tool suport ext3 on windows ?
  • [03:16:26] <thurbad> it doesn't read ext3, but it will clone it
  • [03:18:18] <thurbad> actually I take that back, after macking the backup of the drvie you can access the ext3 portion as read only
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  • [03:26:06] <buZz> dancios: there are drivers to read ext2 filesystems under windows
  • [03:26:25] <buZz> you can read ext3 filesystems with an ext2 driver
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  • [03:29:01] <dancios> easier is to boot linux under vmware/virtualbox
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  • [03:53:18] <dancios> what is cheap suitable camera for beagleboard
  • [03:53:20] <dancios> ?
  • [03:55:31] <holmes123> I think there is support for usb webcams, but do you mean connecting the camera straight to the board?
  • [03:56:38] <holmes123> I was asking about this recently myself and I was pointed towards leopard board, which does a lot with cameras
  • [03:57:55] <dancios> i need UVC/raw camera that will shipped image to 720p TIenc module
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  • [04:03:58] <dancios> and i'm interested that raw bayes offered by logitech cameras is acceptable to encode stream tith TIenc
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  • [04:09:16] <buZz> dancios: (on x86) i use the ps3 webcam a lot
  • [04:09:26] <buZz> its cheap, available and pretty high quality imho
  • [04:09:49] <buZz> and has a good in-kernel driver since 2.6.20something
  • [04:16:54] <sugnan> Hello , am a newbie and going to get a beagle board, can someone please give me the pointer to start, am thinking to load android on it
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  • [04:22:43] <sugnan> is this the proper channel for asking question regarding beagle board?
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  • [04:23:49] <thurbad> sugnan, probably as close as you'll get ~.~
  • [04:24:48] <sugnan> thurbad, thanks for the response, am going to get a beagle board, can someone please give me the pointer to start, i want to load android on it
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  • [04:30:57] <thurbad> you could google rowboat android beagleboard ... rowboat's the one I've been hearing about most lately
  • [04:31:19] <sugnan> thurbad, thanks
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  • [04:35:24] <holmes123> sugnan: I got 0xdroid working without much trouble, Sugnan
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  • [04:35:51] <holmes123> sugnan: I started with no experience and was able to just follow the instructions
  • [04:36:08] <sugnan> holmes123, did you build from source ?
  • [04:36:45] <holmes123> sugnan: not initially, but eventually i did
  • [04:37:27] <sugnan> holmes123, thanks
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  • [04:38:23] <holmes123> sugnan: Do you have a lot of linux experience?
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  • [04:38:54] <sugnan> holmes123, not lot but to considerable extent
  • [04:40:15] <sugnan> holmes123, but very new to beagle board
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  • [04:41:03] <holmes123> sugnan: cool, I am new to both but enjoying learning it all
  • [04:41:32] <sugnan> holmes123, same here :)
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  • [05:03:29] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [05:04:51] <dancios> Playstation eye supports x-raw-yuv ?
  • [05:05:32] <dancios> or any other camera that can provide format to encode with gstream-ti encoder
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  • [06:30:49] <rick_> hi, can beagleboard xM use usb storage under uboot?
  • [06:31:16] <rick_> I can use usb start to probe the device, but the fatls failed.
  • [06:32:30] <ds2> no
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  • [06:37:37] <_av500_> rick_: you can with the proper uboot patches
  • [06:38:58] * ds2 waits for a patch to run the xM off a hamster wheel
  • [06:39:41] <kblin> ds2: sounds like a bad idea, I wouldn't trust those lazy hamsters
  • [06:40:04] <ds2> they just need to be motivated
  • [06:40:05] <_av500_> ds2: 500ma only after you enumerate the rodent
  • [06:40:35] <ds2> does that work with LS rodents though?
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  • [06:40:59] <_av500_> cant mix hs and ls rodents on the same wheel
  • [06:41:32] <ds2> isn't the lubricant patch suppose to fix that?
  • [06:42:55] <_av500_> the lube helps only to get more of em
  • [06:44:11] <ds2> does that even work with rodents? thought it was rabbits only
  • [06:46:26] <_av500_> ask ti to make a rabiitboard
  • [06:47:42] <ds2> like a msp430 based one?
  • [06:48:26] <rick_> _av500, I am trying to know who the usb storage works in detail
  • [06:48:49] <rick_> _av500_, hope I can do that :D
  • [06:49:37] <rick_> to make it work, what kind of thing should I know?
  • [06:50:39] <rick_> I am confused by the musb gadget and the usb host type no matter I try the usbtty download or the usb storage @@
  • [06:50:53] <ds2> bit manipulation on the wire and off
  • [06:51:09] <ds2> the meaning of life and how it applies.
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  • [07:10:25] <_av500_> rick_: later
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  • [07:22:26] <_av500_> rick_: there exist patches for uboot that add musb support
  • [07:22:45] <_av500_> same for ehci but these might need omap3 specific glue
  • [07:23:56] <rick_> _av500_, I think I must 1> check the board register is ready for usb otg is set properly. 2> check the driver layer. (basic usb device drive. If a storage layer needed).
  • [07:24:43] <rick_> _av500_, I use the otg port, should I need the ohci/ehci controller activated?
  • [07:25:53] <_av500_> no
  • [07:26:03] <_av500_> musb
  • [07:28:02] <rick_> there is omap3.c in the musb dir of uboot, the omap3.c will call the twl4030.c to power on the otg.
  • [07:29:06] <_av500_> good
  • [07:29:20] <rick_> Do you mean a omap3 echi should be implemented in the musb layer?
  • [07:29:53] <rick_> I only know that ehci/ohci is a hub controller.
  • [07:30:08] <rick_> It seems I need learn more...:)
  • [07:30:16] <_av500_> ehci is notmusb
  • [07:30:25] <_av500_> its a different port
  • [07:31:04] <_av500_> and yes, you need to spend more time with american baidu
  • [07:35:29] <rick_> _av500_, anyway, it's good to know that u-boot is not ready for that, and I know I can't just adjust the configuration file to make it work.
  • [07:35:48] <rick_> thank you
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  • [07:45:26] <ds2> Hmmmmm
  • [07:45:42] <ds2> don't we all wish MUSB was EHCI ;)
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  • [08:21:16] <mru> morning
  • [08:22:34] <rick_> afternoon :)
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  • [08:31:42] <ds2> 23~
  • [08:32:00] <mru> 26?
  • [08:33:08] <ds2> :D
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  • [09:52:01] <hitlin37> is there a av500 clone avialable on android irc
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  • [10:16:01] <av500> hitlin37: ?
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  • [10:24:20] <hitlin37> this ndk uses Android-specific ABI for ARM-based CPU architectures, armeabi-v7a.....is this something new..i have not used something like this
  • [10:25:17] <hitlin37> do i have to change something on my c+neon code..to compile using ndk
  • [10:25:39] <hitlin37> good thing is that latest realease now supports neon
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  • [10:40:55] <av500> hitlin37: i dont think android has its own abi
  • [10:41:36] <mru> android uses standard arm eabi afaik
  • [10:41:46] <mru> unlike apple
  • [10:45:07] <hitlin37> hmm
  • [10:45:27] <av500> hitlin37: what "android irc"? #android?
  • [10:45:58] <hitlin37> there people keep discusing about rooting their phones
  • [10:46:16] <av500> yes
  • [10:46:31] <av500> once they root 'em they buy the next one
  • [10:46:42] <hitlin37> not much help...although there's android-dev too..
  • [10:47:16] <hitlin37> why next phone...
  • [10:47:25] <av500> so they can talk about rooting it again
  • [10:47:32] <hitlin37> ha ha
  • [10:48:01] <hitlin37> me too thinking..need to upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2
  • [10:50:11] <hitlin37> but will wait as 2.3 is coming in jan
  • [10:50:24] <av500> and 2.4 in march
  • [10:51:00] <_koen_> what's so hard about rooting them?
  • [10:51:07] <_koen_> can't they just download the code from Andy Rubin?
  • [10:51:16] <_koen_> android being so open and all
  • [10:53:13] <av500> _koen_: nice troll
  • [10:53:20] <hitlin37> i guess... on phones all features does not work by default...then people start coming with fixes....otherwise things lik gps,bt,camera does not work always
  • [10:57:11] <av500> hitlin37: what part of "troll" did you not understand?
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  • [10:58:33] <hitlin37> hmmm
  • [10:58:53] <_koen_> :D
  • [11:03:29] <DesktopMa> trolls, trolls in the dungeon!
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  • [12:00:00] <Puru> Hiii frnds
  • [12:00:48] <Puru> i hv c4 board and m booting angstrom on it... but mt my usb echi port is not detecting usb drives
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  • [12:00:54] <Puru> anyone plz help me
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  • [12:31:38] <mru> hi _roger_
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  • [12:36:40] <screwgoth> Hi, can someone tell me what is the meaning of the following in the bootargs section of the u-boot commands : rootdelay=2, rootwait, omapfb.video_mode=1440x900MR-16@60
  • [12:37:03] <screwgoth> Or better yet, any links to where I can learn more about these u-boot commands ?
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  • [12:37:23] <mru> Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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  • [12:38:12] <andoma> mru: hi
  • [12:38:16] <tdh2002> Hi all
  • [12:38:18] <mru> hi andoma
  • [12:38:26] <tdh2002> I come back again
  • [12:38:38] <andoma> mru: do you have any idea how common it is to use -mfloat-abi=hard vs softfp ?
  • [12:38:51] <tdh2002> i haven't come here for months
  • [12:39:08] <mru> andoma: hard is only supported in gcc 4.5 (and later)
  • [12:39:17] <mru> it's usually a good idea though
  • [12:39:30] <tdh2002> i got a beagleboard xm board sereval days , but hao can i get the kernel for it
  • [12:40:05] <mru> build it
  • [12:40:16] <andoma> mru: ah ok .. but most dists today would be compiled with softfp then..
  • [12:40:23] <mru> yes
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  • [12:40:39] <mru> if you're building your own you can obviously choose
  • [12:40:41] <andoma> yeah
  • [12:41:15] <tdh2002> mru: when building the kernel , i choose the beagle board the uImage seemed doens't work
  • [12:42:16] <jannau> andoma: some will change to hard float next year or at least plan to
  • [12:42:40] <mru> and some will be planning to do it for the foreseeable future
  • [12:43:34] <tdh2002> I can use the kernel image in the micro-sd card, cry..
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  • [12:44:43] <andoma> ok, i'm asking because my $dayjob is about to start shipping a closed source lib (yeah, it sucks but it's the way it is) and i'd like to collect some info on how to build it
  • [12:44:51] <andoma> i guess we could just ship two versions...
  • [12:46:04] <andoma> thanks anyway..
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  • [12:46:52] <mru> or avoid any floating point args and return values
  • [12:47:07] <mru> and don't call anything with float args either of course
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  • [12:54:59] <andoma> mru: a possibility indeed but too much work now i'm afraid :\
  • [12:55:54] <mru> depends on what the lib does
  • [12:56:40] <tdh2002> mru:What libs do you want to do?
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  • [13:12:25] <av500> sleep helps
  • [13:12:48] <mru> help sleeps
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  • [17:16:26] <dm8tbr> _av500_: http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?p=275061#p275061 - how many brain cells?
  • [17:18:14] <djanatan> I lol'd
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  • [17:53:29] <emeb> where to start...
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  • [17:53:47] <mru> emeb: at the beginning
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  • [17:55:10] <av500> I start at 95%, then the rest is a piece of cake
  • [17:55:37] <mru> don't you know the last 5% are the hardest?
  • [17:55:55] <av500> yes, thats why I skip the boring 95%
  • [17:58:46] <emeb> but the 1st 95% takes 95% of the effort. The last 5% takes the other 95% of the effort.
  • [17:59:06] <av500> emeb: see how I cut my workload in half :)
  • [17:59:44] <emeb> effective time management skills.
  • [17:59:59] <av500> it involves finding somebody for the 1st 95% of course
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  • [18:01:42] <emeb> interns
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  • [18:19:37] <IanWiz> I'm looking to incorporate an RFID tag into my beagle, but need a reading distance of between 1" to 2 feet. What am I looking for as far as the tag is concerned? Operating freq., high in/out dB?
  • [18:25:18] <ynezz> probably something like openpicc
  • [18:25:59] <ynezz> the reading distance depends on reader and used tag, environment etc.
  • [18:26:28] <ynezz> or you would like to connect RFID reader to Beagle and read tags?
  • [18:26:48] <ynezz> I'm quite puzzled by your question, any example what would you like to achieve?
  • [18:27:32] <IanWiz> Something like the RFID systems used to time sporting events; however I'd like to be able to program the RFID tag to adapt to different rf readers.
  • [18:28:02] <ynezz> you mean something like active rfid tag?
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  • [18:28:50] <IanWiz> Possibly/probably? I'm not familiar with the particulars of that term.
  • [18:29:20] <ynezz> so what's the problem to read more about it?
  • [18:30:40] <IanWiz> Doing that now...
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  • [18:30:52] <ynezz> I really don't get "adapt to different RF readers"
  • [18:31:25] <ynezz> you want to emulate RFID tag in LF/HF/UHF frequencies?
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  • [18:31:47] <ynezz> or what? it's really hard to help you if you don't know for what are you looking for :p
  • [18:33:02] <ynezz> LF is 125 KHz, so mostly contact to few cm reading range, HF depends on reader, but about 70cm-1m is doable with some readers
  • [18:33:40] <ynezz> with UHF it could be about few hundreds meters with 60W reader :p
  • [18:34:28] <IanWiz> The application is for in car timing, essentially to interact with this system and others similar to it... http://www.mylaps.com/index.php/us_eng/Websites/B2B/car/system
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  • [18:36:11] <IanWiz> I would need something with a rather wide height capability for tag reading, as well as the ability to assign a unique identifier to the tag so that if two cars cross the line at the same time, both are recorded.
  • [18:36:39] <IanWiz> I would dissect their reader and transponder, but I don't have the $$ to buy one and tear it down.
  • [18:39:38] <koen> Crofton: rsyncing the feeds now, might take a few days
  • [18:40:02] <ynezz> IanWiz: you've better options, like ez430-rf2500
  • [18:40:54] <IanWiz> ah ha...
  • [18:41:15] <ynezz> CC2500 (2.4GHz) or CC1101 (868MHz) are really neat RF frontends
  • [18:41:52] <ynezz> low power and with msp430 (which is also low power) you can do killer stuff for low budget
  • [18:42:17] <IanWiz> ok, i was looking through datasheets a moment ago and figured someone round these parts might have experience.
  • [18:42:58] <IanWiz> that's what I'm looking for, low power, low budget. doesn't cost $400+ to replace if the transponder gets knocked off...
  • [18:43:37] <ynezz> and you can connect one node which will be used for measurement to beagle via rs232
  • [18:44:05] <ynezz> beagle connected to some TV to show the lap results
  • [18:45:31] <IanWiz> exactly what i (eventually) have in mind. thanks for the help ynezz!
  • [18:46:13] <ynezz> or that ez430 watch and you've lap results in hand :p
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  • [18:47:20] <shanewholloway> I'm looking for a freelancer to help with the hardware side of a BeagleBoard-Xm related project. Anyone interested, or know someone who may be?
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  • [18:48:08] <IanWiz> good thinking, wouldn't be too much to pass on to a basic LCD display in car either...
  • [18:50:17] <ben_kludged> hello,,, beagleboardubuntu... gots a couple of basic questions 'fore i jump into this project,,, any one available?
  • [18:52:10] <IanWiz> what kind of question ben_kludged?
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  • [18:55:31] <ben_kludged> all i gots on my beagle is usb network thru otg,, and eth0 thru the other usb... gots serial console,,, but no dvi nor svideo... in my project wont be able to have monitors on rc/plane... anyway after install of beagleboardubuntu maverick according to the rcn-ee stuffs,,, will i be able to use vnc to get to the butu on beagle thru network?
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  • [18:59:06] <IanWiz> yes, you will, hang on, I'm looking for instructions...
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  • [18:59:26] <ben_kludged> dude,,, you be da man.... thanks
  • [19:03:39] <IanWiz> are you running ubuntu on your beagle?
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  • [19:05:19] <IanWiz> http://tinyurl.com/24wtkas <-- that is from the beagleboard group on google, directed towards Windows users, but should work for you.
  • [19:05:36] <IanWiz> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Accessing_the_BeagleBoard_using_VNC
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  • [19:06:26] <IanWiz> that's another, shorter set of instructions. it assumes you have angstrom installed, but apt-get x11vnc will get you vnc on your beagle with Ubuntu
  • [19:07:51] <ben_kludged> i am now,,, startin to set up sd according to www.elinux.org/beagleboardubuntu.maverick.. but dont want to reflash my nand on c4 i this process of buntu on beagle dont support vnc... anyway,,,, i have gnu x11 and enlightment on andgstrom demos,,, and not happy with x11vnc on those demos
  • [19:08:49] <rcn-ee> why does is not suport vnc? you install x11vnc on ubuntu?
  • [19:10:23] <ben_kludged> i guess what im tryin to say,, is after i plug power into ang/demo ang/linuxtag/gnu... that i cannot vnc to beagle unless i have a vnc allready on thru my otg connection
  • [19:11:32] <IanWiz> you have a serial connection to the beagle, correct? you should be able to start the vnc app on the beagle thru serial, and then connect via you desktop over vnc
  • [19:12:24] <ben_kludged> naw,,, the beagle is on the rc/airplane,,,, i hit the power switch,,, and the airplane energizes
  • [19:12:24] <rcn-ee> or write a cron/upstart/etc job to turn it on boot?
  • [19:12:52] <ben_kludged> ah... so much help,,, i love it
  • [19:13:08] <cwillu_at_work> ben_kludged, stop it with the ,,, and ... please
  • [19:14:39] <ben_kludged> first order of business,,, 'scuse me,,,,, is to get the buntu installed,,, got no svidel, nor dvi, so therefore i need to console, ssh, into beagle, will vnc work outta the box?
  • [19:14:53] <cwillu_at_work> if you're not putting a display on the beagle, you'd probably be better off just doing remote x (via ssh -X or whatever)
  • [19:15:12] <rcn-ee> ben_kludged, if you install it.. ;)
  • [19:15:40] <cwillu_at_work> there's no reason to run x locally if you're not plugging a monitor in
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  • [19:16:18] <ben_kludged> allrightythen,,, thanks,,, will install buntu on beagle this afternoon,,, and go from there,, thanks
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  • [19:17:11] <_av500_> ,,, ftw
  • [19:17:29] <cwillu_at_work> _av500_, you are a bad person. :p
  • [19:17:37] <ben_kludged> whatsamatter with pausin'
  • [19:17:50] <cwillu_at_work> ben_kludged, it's hard to read
  • [19:18:03] <ben_kludged> some folks say um allatime,,, i pause
  • [19:18:13] <cwillu_at_work> you could just, you know, _not_ hit the comma key.
  • [19:18:14] <aholler> anyone can translate those ,,, for me?
  • [19:18:26] <cwillu_at_work> or, you know, hit it _once_
  • [19:18:27] <ben_kludged> gimmeabreak
  • [19:19:06] <ben_kludged> my neck time haint too tite
  • [19:19:19] <ben_kludged> my neck tie haint too tite
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  • [19:24:47] <Luca256> hello
  • [19:25:21] <Luca256> I've ordered a couple of beagleboards from the US and now I need to know what encryption capabilities the 3530 has, due to US export restrictions
  • [19:25:31] <Luca256> does anyone have a pointer to where I can find this info?
  • [19:25:45] <mru> it's a turing-complete cpu
  • [19:25:53] <mru> it can run _any_ crypto algorithm
  • [19:26:17] <Luca256> yeah, obviously
  • [19:26:42] <Luca256> but it has some encryption already implemented in it (hw encryption)
  • [19:26:46] <Luca256> and that's what matters
  • [19:27:01] <mru> where are you ordering from?
  • [19:27:06] <Luca256> Finland
  • [19:27:38] <Luca256> there are some providers who sell them in Europe, but they were all out of stock
  • [19:27:58] <Luca256> so I had to order them from Mouser, with which we don't have all the paperwork ready
  • [19:28:21] <_av500_> Luca256: its exportable
  • [19:28:29] <_av500_> since digikey can export it to .eu
  • [19:28:44] <Luca256> av500: yeah, digikey has probably done this paperwork already
  • [19:28:51] <_av500_> it has the needed export number
  • [19:28:55] <Luca256> but they didn't have the boards available
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  • [19:29:44] <_av500_> maybed digi can sell mouser the number :)
  • [19:29:50] <Luca256> heheh
  • [19:29:59] <_av500_> Luca256: ask gerald on the ml to give this to mouser
  • [19:30:12] <_av500_> he will prolly say he has done that and they are just slow :)
  • [19:30:36] <Luca256> we already have the CCATS number and everything, but now our import/export expert is requiring the info about the encryption capabilities
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  • [19:31:43] <_av500_> and what would be an answer to that question?
  • [19:31:49] <_av500_> mbit/s aes?
  • [19:32:00] <Luca256> probably something like that
  • [19:32:16] <cwillu_at_work> this is why people who don't understand computers shouldn't be allowed to make laws about them
  • [19:32:20] <Luca256> aes and so on, whatever crypto the hw supports
  • [19:32:28] <cwillu_at_work> chicken, meet egg :/
  • [19:32:28] <Luca256> cwillu_at_work: exactly
  • [19:32:30] <_av500_> well, me telling you its 42 would not make your guy happy....
  • [19:32:40] <Luca256> :)
  • [19:32:54] <_av500_> so, you would need an official ti statement
  • [19:32:57] <_av500_> good luck
  • [19:33:00] <Luca256> heh
  • [19:33:07] <cwillu_at_work> just tell him that the hdmi framer doesn't actually support content encryption. Maybe that'll satisfy them
  • [19:33:15] <Luca256> I guess a webpage with tech specs or something would work
  • [19:33:40] <_av500_> Luca256: there is no website that even acknowledges certain parts of the chip---
  • [19:33:45] <_av500_> ...
  • [19:33:50] <Luca256> tech specs which tell about hw crypto, of course
  • [19:33:58] <Luca256> yeah
  • [19:34:03] <cwillu_at_work> _av500_, you're repeating your punctuation again :p
  • [19:34:07] <_av500_> "it exists"(tm)"
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  • [19:34:15] <Luca256> well, I'll try to convince this dude
  • [19:34:16] <_av500_> cwillu_at_work: it was an ellipses
  • [19:34:17] <mru> Luca256: the crypto parts are not documented
  • [19:34:25] <_av500_> mru: they are
  • [19:34:26] <cwillu_at_work> _av500_, your underscores are showing
  • [19:34:31] <_av500_> just not publicly
  • [19:34:31] <mru> _av500_: not publicly
  • [19:34:44] <mru> and "ellipsis" please
  • [19:34:58] <_av500_> tzpo
  • [19:35:00] <cwillu_at_work> this is an ellipsis: ???
  • [19:35:00] <Luca256> crap, so much work for this
  • [19:35:01] <mru> ellipses are flattened circles
  • [19:35:20] <Luca256> I've ordered this stuff initially 2?? months ago
  • [19:35:25] <Luca256> still entangled in it :(
  • [19:35:44] <ds2> it just "works" :D
  • [19:35:52] <_av500_> Luca256: i dont get why you involve this expert
  • [19:35:56] <_av500_> just order from mouser
  • [19:36:06] <mru> never involve experts
  • [19:36:13] <_av500_> only fake ones
  • [19:36:20] <mru> they'll always complicate things in order to seem useful
  • [19:36:54] <mru> and no, I've never called myself an expert
  • [19:37:04] <ds2> that's what you get for putting in #define OBFUSCATE 1 into your code :P
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  • [19:39:42] <Luca256> _av500_: Mouser asked me to sign some docs stating that my company this and that
  • [19:39:47] <Luca256> I don't have the authority to do that
  • [19:39:57] <Luca256> (ie. sign in my company's name)
  • [19:40:01] <mru> then signing it will do no harm
  • [19:40:12] <Luca256> so I had to ask someone else to sign it for me
  • [19:40:13] <mru> but mouser will be satisfied
  • [19:40:18] <Luca256> and that lead me to where I am now...
  • [19:40:31] <mru> and if anyone ever complains, the document is worthless because you had no authority
  • [19:40:39] <Luca256> heheh
  • [19:40:40] <Luca256> true
  • [19:40:58] <Luca256> I'm just stoopid because I tried to do things in the "right" way
  • [19:41:08] <Luca256> I should have ordered them privately
  • [19:41:19] <Luca256> then I'd have the authority to sign on my own name ;)
  • [19:41:25] <mru> and by that time you're relaxing on some caribbean island, right?
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  • [19:42:15] <Luca256> probably :)
  • [19:42:35] <Luca256> anyways, I don't care much, I already have a beagle myself :P
  • [19:42:58] <Luca256> this was just an order for my colleagues which I stupidly volunteered to make
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  • [19:43:41] <Luca256> let's see if my email to the "expert" will have any effect
  • [19:44:47] <Luca256> the cool thing is that this communication usually happens in 2-weeks intervals, so next month I probably will get a reply heheh
  • [19:47:57] <IanWiz> What reason would the kernel have to hang after ...done,booting kernel?
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  • [19:48:28] <cwillu_at_work> IanWiz, that's the kernel hanging the moment the kernel starts doing anything
  • [19:48:32] <cwillu_at_work> it's not after anything :p
  • [19:48:53] <cwillu_at_work> what's your kernel command line in uboot?
  • [19:55:26] <IanWiz> hang on, i think i found it.
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  • [20:04:29] <Luca256> IanWiz: that usually means not that the kernel has hanged, but that your console is not setup properly
  • [20:04:56] <Luca256> so, when the kernel starts printing things, it prints them to the wrong place and you don't see it ;)
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  • [20:05:05] <IanWiz> Yeah, I'm thinking you're correct. It's a kernel from the DVSDK4
  • [20:05:26] <Luca256> check your bootargs in the bootloader
  • [20:07:31] <IanWiz> console=ttyS0,115200n8
  • [20:09:25] <Luca256> what kernel version is that?
  • [20:09:36] <Jefro> IanWiz - try ttyS2 instead
  • [20:09:45] <Jefro> (for a recent angstrom kernel)
  • [20:10:18] <Luca256> in 2.6.37-rc* it needs to be console=ttyO2,115200n8
  • [20:10:31] <Luca256> in earlier ones, as Jefro said, it should be ttyS2
  • [20:10:55] <Luca256> in 2.6.37 the OMAP serials have been renamed to ttyO*
  • [20:12:36] <cwillu_at_work> and somebody should be shot for that
  • [20:13:23] <Luca256> I'm sure the l-o people had reasons for that
  • [20:13:37] <cwillu_at_work> it's a different module, so it gets a different letter
  • [20:13:39] <Luca256> they still should be shot anyway
  • [20:13:43] <cwillu_at_work> exactly
  • [20:13:48] <Luca256> ;)
  • [20:14:29] <Luca256> I hope nobody wants to shoot me, because we renamed our driver from wl1271 to wl12xx :)
  • [20:19:32] <cwillu_at_work> Luca256, did the rename cause you to change "eth0" to "wl0"?
  • [20:24:58] <IanWiz> thanks, brainfart on my part. passed it args for my leopardboard
  • [20:33:10] <Luca256> cwillu_at_work: no, it doesn't change the if name :)
  • [20:33:18] <Luca256> it's still "wlan0"
  • [20:33:21] <cwillu_at_work> Luca256, then why would I shoot you
  • [20:33:44] <koen> because insmode wl1271.ko doesn't work anymore
  • [20:33:54] <koen> some people still love insmod
  • [20:34:00] <Luca256> I didn't say you would shoot me, but maybe there are some stupid people using scripts or stuff which depend on the module name...
  • [20:34:03] <koen> and hate platform data and udev autoprobing
  • [20:34:17] <cwillu_at_work> koen, are you such people?
  • [20:34:17] <Luca256> koen: exactly
  • [20:34:32] <Luca256> I hope not, otherwise I just called him stupid :P
  • [20:34:46] <Luca256> (which I know he isn't)
  • [20:35:37] <Luca256> actually I'm kinda stupid, because my own scripts modprobe wl1271 when I'm dev'ing :)
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  • [20:36:07] <Luca256> I'm not gonna trust udev to insert and remove the modules for me ;)
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  • [20:38:20] <aholler> maybe the should rename usb to osb too...
  • [20:40:19] <aholler> sorry, but that change to ttyO* reads senseless here too
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  • [20:43:36] <ds2> O? have people given up on the 8250 driver?
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  • [20:45:04] <aholler> they want to sell an oerial and not a serial
  • [20:48:12] <IanWiz> ttyS??? ... ???_???
  • [20:50:40] <_av500_> ds2: no, O is only for omap serial
  • [20:50:52] <ds2> _av500_: but have they forked the driver?
  • [20:50:57] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:51:00] <_av500_> i think so
  • [20:51:02] <ds2> sigh
  • [20:51:10] <_av500_> there is a new driver for omap high speed serial iirc
  • [20:51:18] <_av500_> i have no idea why
  • [20:51:29] <ds2> modify the 8250 driver not fork it... more reasons to avoid the PSP kernel
  • [20:52:11] <_av500_> ds2: well, since they found no more urgent part of the omap3 to support, omap3 must be well supported by now :)
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  • [20:52:55] <ds2> =)
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  • [21:48:31] <jkridner|work> my understanding is that the 'S' was by luck in the first place. These TTY letters make no sense.
  • [21:51:26] <kblin> jkridner|work: btw, my new xm is working just fine for all I can see. didn't test everything yet, but it boots and all of that :)
  • [21:51:48] <jkridner|work> that's good news.
  • [21:55:06] <ds2> jkrinder|work: they are tied to the driver
  • [21:55:21] <_av500_> s=serial?
  • [21:55:26] <ds2> S is tied to 8250.c driver
  • [21:55:37] <_av500_> and 8250 is very serial
  • [21:56:32] * Ceriand|work is not a fan of the new serial driver
  • [21:56:52] <Ceriand|work> caused my board to fail to resume from suspend
  • [21:57:00] <_av500_> ds2: btw, is there a driver to expose the 8250 scratch byte to user space?
  • [21:57:36] <ds2> _av500_: not that I know of
  • [21:57:38] <ds2> here's teh code -
  • [21:57:42] <ds2> static struct console serial8250_console = {
  • [21:57:45] <ds2> .name = "ttyS",
  • [21:57:46] <ds2> ....
  • [21:57:56] <ds2> next doubt? :D
  • [21:58:19] <_av500_> nobody doubted that
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  • [21:59:06] <ds2> <jkridner|work> my understanding is that the 'S' was by luck in the first
  • [21:59:07] <ds2> ...
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  • [23:58:46] <Guest47507> hello
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  • [23:59:17] <Guest47507> is the beagleboard supposed to boot to the command line or a gui by default?
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  • [23:59:30] <Guest47507> (xm)