• [00:00:05] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: hate to go there, but why the preference for debian? do you have serial logs and can you summarize the steps you used to create your debian image?
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  • [00:00:27] <Brandon_> :)
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  • [00:02:25] <Brandon_> jkridner, are we allowed to use the BB expansion slot?
  • [00:02:38] <jkridner|work1> Brandon_: yes!
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  • [00:02:51] <Brandon_> k, just checking
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  • [00:04:39] <JakeJBailey> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [00:04:52] <JakeJBailey> jkridner: used that page
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  • [00:05:34] <cwicks> Hello UT Beaglers - welcome to our Monday 7pm central time meeting!
  • [00:06:05] <cruzm> hello to all
  • [00:06:18] <yehcraig> Hello :)
  • [00:06:58] <Brandon_> hi
  • [00:07:20] <cwicks> Don't run away other beagle users on the IRC tonight - JOIN US - we are looking for active mentors via IRC and beagleboard to help the UT students scope their projects and provide encouragement!
  • [00:07:24] <jkridner|work1> cwicks: I hacked in a quick entry onto http://beagleboard.org to notify people about the challenge.
  • [00:08:49] <jkridner|work1> I did hear some students on the phone, right?
  • [00:09:00] <jkridner|work1> I think it was just 1 or 2 students on the phone line.
  • [00:09:25] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey, Brandon_, yehcraig, and others---which projects are you doing?
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  • [00:09:43] <JakeJBailey> its on the wiki
  • [00:09:46] <yehcraig> jkridner|work1: I'm with BeagleSight.
  • [00:10:15] <Brandon_> jkridner|work1: I am working on Beagle Scan
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  • [00:10:48] <Jefro> hi all - I'm lurking as well. is there a wiki set up with descriptions of these projects?
  • [00:10:49] <cruzm> my group is still throwing around ideas.
  • [00:10:49] <JakeJBailey> geofetch
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  • [00:12:42] <cwicks> UT Students if you'd like to join via phone call Dial-in # (Toll, US Toll Free) 877.561.6828 Participant Passcode: 54043628#
  • [00:13:12] <cwicks> Hi BeagleSight - do you have your hardware running examples yet?
  • [00:13:20] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: where does it fail?
  • [00:14:36] <jkridner|work1> hi Jefro!
  • [00:14:40] <JakeJBailey> im getting it going to see, but i remember it was something about not finding modules.dep
  • [00:15:01] <Jefro> hey! just joined the phone call
  • [00:15:22] <yehcraig> cwicks: We've played with simple output, mostly just printing informaion from the board.
  • [00:15:39] <yehcraig> Later on we'll have to work on adding a webcam through USB and getting data from that.
  • [00:15:56] <JackYen_> i just received the board today
  • [00:16:01] <jkridner|work1> yeah, heard you introducing yourself to Cathy. cwicks: it is easier to give Jefro links over IRC!
  • [00:16:14] <jkridner|work1> http://www.ti.com/beagleboardchallenge or http://beagleboard.org/challenge
  • [00:16:57] <jkridner|work1> JackYen_: sorry it took so long.
  • [00:17:05] <jkridner|work1> Brandon_: I'm listening on the phone too! :)
  • [00:17:07] <Jefro> got 'em, wiki looks great
  • [00:18:41] <cwicks> Jefro - thank you for joining the call !
  • [00:18:57] <Jefro> cwicks - you bet, hope I can help
  • [00:20:48] <cwicks> yehcraig - do you have some questions for Jason and Jefro about hooking up the webcam?
  • [00:20:59] <jkridner|work1> Brandon_: per comment on the phone: the USB hub consumes extra power and pushes it out of the USB power budget, but you can also get kernel panics due to not using a kernel that includes a gadget driver compiled in. you can get a kernel with the gadget driver from: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/uImage-2.6.32-r90+gitra6bad4464f985fdd3bed72e1b82dcbfc004d7869-beagleboard.multi-config-cpuidle-gether.bin
  • [00:22:01] <yehcraig> Mostly, we're interested in whether people have recommendations for webcams. Ideally it would be cheap, but it should also have decent driver support with linux.
  • [00:23:24] <cwicks> make sure UVC video is supported, should work fine w/ BBoard
  • [00:23:50] <JakeJBailey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717009
  • [00:23:56] <JakeJBailey> reviews say it works with linux
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  • [00:24:26] <jkridner|work1> Linux compatible USB devices: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
  • [00:24:26] <Jefro> here are a few links on UVC for Linux: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ and http://hardware4linux.info/module/uvcvideo/
  • [00:24:50] <cwicks> UT Students - does every group now have their hardware?
  • [00:24:56] <yehcraig> Cool, thanks everyone! I'll check out the links.
  • [00:25:19] <cruzm> my group does
  • [00:25:43] <JackYen_> yes just picked it up today
  • [00:26:02] <cwicks> cruzm - is your group listed on the wiki chart yet?
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  • [00:26:44] <cwicks> JackYen - Music Analyzer - welcome - do you have any questions yet for our mentors on line tonight?
  • [00:27:39] <JackYen_> not for now, still need more time to play around with it before i come up with some questions
  • [00:28:15] <cwicks> JackYen - I am going to load up the image myself tonight and try out the labs - do you have any suggestions for me?
  • [00:28:40] <Brandon_> <yehcraig>: If you have a PS3 cam it works.
  • [00:29:02] <Brandon_> If not it is probably more expensive than the other options
  • [00:29:15] <cwicks> cruzm - have you had a chance yet to boot up and run the labs?
  • [00:29:22] <JackYen_> i have not got a chance to try it out yet, but does the new shipment still require reflashing?
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  • [00:30:06] <yehcraig> Brandon_: Nope, I don't have one. We'll probably stick to cheaper commercial webcams.
  • [00:30:14] <cwicks> Hi jtessler - welcome beagleband - how is it going this week?
  • [00:30:23] <jkridner|work1> JackYen_: yes, you still need to reflash the NAND.
  • [00:30:45] <JakeJBailey> module omaplfb not found
  • [00:30:49] <jkridner|work1> anybody go through the labs?
  • [00:31:15] <jtessler> cwicks: hello, thank you - the project is going well
  • [00:31:29] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: was there an earlier error when it attempted to start? what shows up in 'dmesg' when you 'modprobe omaplfb'?
  • [00:31:57] <cwicks> jtessler - have you found any code out in the open source to help you with your project yet?
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  • [00:32:30] <cwicks> reminder UT students to join by phone please dial (Toll, US Toll Free) 877.561.6828 Participant Passcode: 54043628#
  • [00:32:41] <jkridner|work1> that was me dropping and coming back.
  • [00:32:48] <JakeJBailey> says its not found
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  • [00:33:58] <Jefro> JakeJBailey jkridner|work1 silly question - is that driver included in the Angstrom image or does it need to be downloaded?
  • [00:34:26] <JakeJBailey> im in debian
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  • [00:35:16] <Jefro> aha... if you have a network can you apt-get it?
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  • [00:35:21] <cwicks> UT Students - we have an additional mentor joining us tonight - jefro - who successfully helped our Google Summer of Code Students this past summer w/ beagle projects.
  • [00:35:46] <jkridner|work1> Jefro: it is in the Angstrom distribution, but you have to manually install it in Debian.... it isn't packaged as far as I know.
  • [00:35:52] <cwicks> UT STudents - do you have any questions re getting the right scope on your projects to complete them before the deadline?
  • [00:36:05] <jkridner|work1> there is a PPA for OMAP4, I believe. I'm not aware of a PPA for OMAP3.
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  • [00:36:23] <jtessler> cwicks: I've been looking into the JUCE library, but we're still looking around
  • [00:36:37] <JakeJBailey> i can get network
  • [00:36:41] <JakeJBailey> what package do i need
  • [00:36:58] <jkridner|work1> have some of the students been meeting the normal folks hanging around here?
  • [00:37:12] * jkridner|work1 uses normal loosely.
  • [00:37:46] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: again, for debain I don't think it has been packaged.
  • [00:38:01] <JakeJBailey> ive talked to djlewis
  • [00:38:09] <JakeJBailey> sry hadnt read that yet
  • [00:38:10] <jtessler> jkridner|work1: I've had some nice chats with members here
  • [00:38:39] <jkridner|work1> jtessler: are you talking about http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce.php ?
  • [00:38:54] <jtessler> jkridner|work1: yes, that's where I was looking
  • [00:39:11] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: rcn-ee often knows much about Ubuntu and Debian states....
  • [00:39:23] <jkridner|work1> NishanthMenon might know a bit too.
  • [00:39:44] * jkridner|work1 looks around for ogra or rsalveti, but they are definitely Ubuntu focused.
  • [00:39:49] <cwicks> JackYen: have you had a chance yet to program your SD card w/ the software?
  • [00:40:06] <NishanthMenon> jkridner|work1, /me is list if you meant JUCE - no clue :(
  • [00:40:07] * jkridner|work1 wonders why Debian and not Ubuntu if you want to use Debian stuff.
  • [00:40:22] <jkridner|work1> NishanMenon: nope, SGX for Debian on OMAP3/BeagleBoard.
  • [00:40:29] <hitlin37> will bitbake virtual/kernel will make a uImage for gui version or will it make for a console only
  • [00:40:59] <NishanthMenon> jkridner|work1, ouch..
  • [00:41:03] <jkridner|work1> hitlin37: kernel doesn't change for GUI/non-GUI.
  • [00:41:17] <JackYen_> cwicks: no not yet
  • [00:41:24] <NishanthMenon> ndec on #linux-omap should be able to give some clues
  • [00:42:33] <jkridner|work1> is there a #ubuntu-arm equivalent for debian?
  • [00:42:41] <JakeJBailey> dont want gnome
  • [00:42:44] <NishanthMenon> jkridner|work1, not that i know of
  • [00:43:10] <hitlin37> ok.thanks..actaully my sound is not working with image i built from narcissus for xm..so im thinking of building one with sound
  • [00:43:12] <JakeJBailey> guess i could just remove it and use that
  • [00:43:18] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: you can strip out Gnome. there are some wiki how-tos on that.
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  • [00:43:51] <JakeJBailey> is it easier to get the sgx working in ubuntu
  • [00:43:52] <JakeJBailey> ?
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  • [00:44:33] <jkridner|work1> I guess you should expect the Debian stuff to work since it is on a recently updated wiki page.
  • [00:44:50] <jkridner|work1> for the folks trying to do speech recognition, you might consider: https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/tiser
  • [00:44:51] <JakeJBailey> yea i dont know what i am doing wrong
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  • [00:45:19] <JakeJBailey> feel like i may be missing something in the instructions that is to be assumed
  • [00:45:50] <hitlin37> i found this bitbake codec-engine..will it give me a working sound?(never had a problem on BB though...facing it on xm)
  • [00:46:23] <jkridner|work1> https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/tiesr/
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  • [00:48:52] <JakeJBailey> any tutorial on setting up cross compiling for the beagleboard that you guys can recommend
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  • [00:51:06] <hitlin37> yes..OE homepage
  • [00:51:47] <jkridner|work1> hitlin37: audio works for me and others with Narcissus, so you'll need to be specific about the failure.
  • [00:52:03] <JakeJBailey> what about for arm's compiler?
  • [00:53:15] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: you'll want to use the same compiler as is used for the distribution.
  • [00:53:26] <JakeJBailey> ?
  • [00:53:50] <jkridner|work1> your compiler version needs to match your Distro. Debian has a version of GCC. Ubuntu has one. Angstrom has one. Etc.
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  • [00:54:01] <jkridner|work1> So, you need to use the cross-compiler that fits your distro.
  • [00:54:11] <hitlin37> Unable to open audio: No available audio device...
  • [00:54:13] <jkridner|work1> otherwise, it could fail in strange ways.
  • [00:54:19] <JakeJBailey> oh, but what about the alternatives such as codesourcery and arm's
  • [00:54:49] <jkridner|work1> hitlin37: could the device be busy? I've noticed in the latest Angstrom releases that PulseAudio seems to be using up the audio device.
  • [00:55:33] <jkridner|work1> Something like http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm is likely to work, but could fail depending on how you make use of shared libraries in the system and other ways.
  • [00:56:03] <Jefro> JakeJBailey codesourcery is good stuff, but you'd want to recompile your entire distro with it make sure everything is compiled with the same libraries
  • [00:56:19] <hitlin37> should i kill the pulse audio process
  • [00:56:31] <jkridner|work1> hitlin37: that's what I always end up doing. :)
  • [00:56:42] <cwicks> UT Students - I plan to run through Jason's labs tonight by myself - any tips for me?
  • [00:56:59] <jkridner|work1> hitlin37: you could use apps that use pulse audio instead of going direct to alsa.
  • [00:57:02] <hitlin37> pulse audio showing a nice value of -11
  • [00:57:05] <JakeJBailey> want to compile applications that have not been packaged yet? is that going to be extremely difficult?
  • [00:57:07] <Jefro> hitlin37 heh... every time I have problems with audio in any desktop distro, the first thing to try is to kill pulse
  • [00:57:58] <Jefro> JakeJBailey it can be difficult, or it can be trivial - there can be interesting issues with drivers. I highly recommend at least looking over the linux driver porting guide, link in 2 sec..
  • [00:58:06] <Jefro> http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
  • [00:58:22] <hitlin37> JakeJBailey..you will learn in the process
  • [00:58:26] <Jefro> it is a big book, but at the level you are working I think you will find that comforting rather than daunting :)
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  • [00:59:46] <Jefro> JakeJBailey the source for omaplfb is in the Angstrom distro so you could just grab it and try compiling it. That activity is also known as porting. If you get it to work, you could resubmit it back upstream to emdebian.
  • [01:00:41] <hitlin37> im using mplayer..which one uses pulseaudio
  • [01:00:46] <JakeJBailey> so the odds of it just working are pretty low i guess?
  • [01:01:10] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: You can start getting familiar with cross compiling by simply installing Code Sourcery and building "Hello World".
  • [01:01:23] <Jefro> JakeJBailey not necessarily. Simple drivers may just compile with no issues. This one requires SGX libraries I think, though, so there may be bits missing that it needs.
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  • [01:02:51] <JakeJBailey> is ubuntu going to work by defualt with sgx, or maybe it has a package that can be easily installed
  • [01:03:08] <JakeJBailey> if so i could just take that route
  • [01:04:19] <hitlin37> i have never used DMA..does kernel take care of it ..or can i use it in my driver.(im receiving a streeam data fromusb)
  • [01:05:24] <Jefro> JakeJBailey don't know (sorry, I know nothing about SGX), but you could install ubuntu and give it a try. the price is right. :) There are instructions on getting SGX working with Ubuntu at least for Karmic: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntuKarmic (scroll down to SGX Video Acceleration)
  • [01:06:49] <JakeJBailey> is this relevant? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/Graphics
  • [01:07:30] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: cool! didn't know that was there!
  • [01:07:45] <jkridner|work1> thanks rsalveti!
  • [01:08:13] <Jefro> JakeJBailey looks very good! and more up to date than the elinux stuff. You can also lurk on #ubuntu-arm to get some personal advice, probably from the guy who wrote that page.
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  • [01:09:32] <cwicks> kanru2 and johnnyg - are you part of our UT student group?
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  • [01:10:10] <JakeJBailey> okay my next question is about interfacing a screen
  • [01:10:19] <JakeJBailey> http://www.harbaum.org/till/dvi2par/index.shtml
  • [01:10:20] <jkridner|work1> touchscreen?
  • [01:10:24] <JakeJBailey> yes
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  • [01:11:20] <JakeJBailey> is that going to be a similar setup using the headers on the board
  • [01:12:02] <JakeJBailey> looking at this one
  • [01:12:03] <JakeJBailey> http://cgi.ebay.com/4-3-Truly-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-Screen-/190382222565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c53aa2ce5#ht_5175wt_905
  • [01:12:07] <jkridner|work1> yes, it breaks down to something similar to what is on the board now.
  • [01:12:36] <jkridner|work1> the header is essentially before a par2dvi device.
  • [01:13:19] <JakeJBailey> so if i just connect the relevant pins to that screen with voltage tranlation is it just going to work with a proper xorg.conf?
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  • [01:13:20] <jkridner|work1> I think the schematics of http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch are available.
  • [01:13:29] <JakeJBailey> couldnt find them
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  • [01:14:49] <Jefro> JakeJBailey http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Liquidware_BeagleTouch
  • [01:14:57] <ds2> hmmm
  • [01:15:06] * jkridner|work1 is looking for ds2's lcd board schematics
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  • [01:15:32] <kanru2> cwicks: me? nope
  • [01:15:33] <djlewis> hehee
  • [01:15:47] <Brandon__> That was me signing off :)
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  • [01:16:30] <jkridner|work1> ds2: you available for dinner still?
  • [01:16:42] <jkridner|work1> that tone was me dropping off the conf call. :)
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  • [01:17:14] <ds2> jkridner|work1: yep.
  • [01:17:21] <cwicks> UT students - we have signed off the voice call - but several of us will still be on the IRC tonight for a bit longer
  • [01:17:45] * jkridner|work1 will probably come right back to work at the office tonight.
  • [01:18:10] <ds2> jkridner|work1: are you done for the day?
  • [01:18:35] <jkridner|work1> i still need to work, but I can take a break for some food.
  • [01:18:51] <ds2> jkridner|work: in that case, is 7 too late?
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  • [01:20:13] <ds2> oh was this office hours for the UT project?
  • [01:22:21] <jkridner|work1> it was.
  • [01:22:29] <jkridner|work1> 7 is fine.
  • [01:23:04] <JakeJBailey> so there are no schematics then?
  • [01:25:10] <jkridner|work1> there must be schematics out there to a BeagleBoard LCD.
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  • [01:26:12] <JakeJBailey> dvi2par is good enough for me but i want to use the headers and leave the hdmi port available
  • [01:26:43] <JakeJBailey> ive just never messed with lcd's before and am not sure what else needs to be done after voltages have been converted and the pins have been hooked up correctly
  • [01:26:57] <JakeJBailey> seems like it would work at that point but idk
  • [01:27:19] <jkridner|work1> http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Wild_ducks_project/BYD_LCD_and_Touch_board seems to have schematics
  • [01:28:09] <jonpry> i designed an omap to lcd interface
  • [01:28:47] <JakeJBailey> awesome jkridner, thanks
  • [01:29:57] <JakeJBailey> any gotchas or tips jonpry?
  • [01:29:57] <jkridner|work1> jonpry: have you shared schematics?
  • [01:30:33] * Jefro is very interested in this process, and is willing to help someone document it
  • [01:30:54] <jonpry> i have schematics, but its not terribly useful. uses fine pitch parts
  • [01:30:59] * Ceriand|desktop has also hooked up an LCD to the BB
  • [01:31:11] <jonpry> obviously voltage conversion is an issue
  • [01:31:14] <JakeJBailey> i plan on using smd and fine pitch parts aswell
  • [01:31:24] <jonpry> and many lcd's require 5V analog source from somewhere
  • [01:31:32] <JakeJBailey> ti has some decent voltage trans chips
  • [01:31:34] <jonpry> and you need a backlight source
  • [01:31:37] <Ceriand|desktop> as long as your level shifters have enough bandwidth, it should be pretty easy
  • [01:31:46] <JakeJBailey> http://cgi.ebay.com/4-3-Truly-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-Screen-/190382222565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c53aa2ce5#ht_5175wt_905
  • [01:32:25] <JakeJBailey> see any problems with that one?
  • [01:32:27] <jonpry> i'm using 4 SN74LVC8T245's to do the translation
  • [01:33:41] <jonpry> its been suggested to put 30 ohm or so series resistors between the level translators and the fpc. but ymmv
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  • [01:34:57] <Jefro> BTW there is a discussion on this subject going on the BeagleBoard mailing list right now: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/5bd99280b459f978#
  • [01:35:02] <JakeJBailey> that looks better than the BGA stuff i was looking at jonpry
  • [01:35:32] <jonpry> qfn is not too bad
  • [01:35:45] <JakeJBailey> the 30ohm is to reduce reflection
  • [01:36:10] <jonpry> right, but it is hard to say if it will make the difference in any given design
  • [01:36:41] <JakeJBailey> well how would i know what value of resistor to use?
  • [01:37:07] <jonpry> calculate the characteristic impedance of the fpc cable
  • [01:37:16] <JakeJBailey> ...
  • [01:37:29] <JakeJBailey> fun stuff
  • [01:38:10] <jonpry> can be done from the .5mm conductor spacing and the dielectric constant of whatever plastic
  • [01:39:29] <JakeJBailey> i dont see how changing the impedence of the line will help but maybe i dont understand transmission well
  • [01:39:43] <JakeJBailey> thought your line and your load were supposed to be balanced
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  • [01:41:32] <jonpry> it depends. if the lines are long, and the signals are fast, having a driver that is too fast. ie small or no series resistor, can cause the signal to ring, overshoot and reflect. in the end causing the timing of the clock and data eye to get out of sync
  • [01:42:27] <jonpry> but the 2 inches is pretty short. the resistor is probably most important for the clock. the rest is probably over kill
  • [01:43:54] <jonpry> sometimes the resistor will just cut down on emi and power consumption. its very hard to tell :p.
  • [01:44:06] <JakeJBailey> okay that make sens
  • [01:44:09] <JakeJBailey> sense*
  • [01:45:38] <JakeJBailey> so jonpry after you have the lcd attached to the headers on the beagle is it going to behave like having a screena attached thru the hdmi
  • [01:46:44] <jonpry> well there is no monitor id stuff. so you will have to explicitly setup the x server
  • [01:47:08] <JakeJBailey> so just a xorg conf setup
  • [01:47:34] <JakeJBailey> cool, thats what i would have expected, but ive learned not to make assumptions about these things, haha
  • [01:47:44] <jonpry> i am not so sure about the details. haven't gotten that far :p. sound right though
  • [01:48:52] <ds2> You do not need schematics
  • [01:48:57] <JakeJBailey> i know
  • [01:49:10] <ds2> the entire board is a levelshifters
  • [01:49:22] <JakeJBailey> just that kridner was saying liquidware had them, and i had already looked didnt see anything
  • [01:49:25] <ds2> just follow the datasheet to meet the timing requirements for everything
  • [01:49:43] <ds2> I don't bother with schematics as it wastes more time then it serves
  • [01:50:59] <JakeJBailey> well its usefull to see other peoples tricks and methods
  • [01:51:15] <ds2> there are no tricks or methods
  • [01:51:40] <ds2> I've wirewrapped them before. it is exactly as described
  • [01:52:00] <JakeJBailey> so the resistors are unneccessary?
  • [01:52:14] <ds2> for the BB or for your own board?
  • [01:52:41] <JakeJBailey> im making my own board to hold the translators
  • [01:52:48] <jonpry> i used them all. only costs .05 for all 4 packs
  • [01:52:56] <ds2> but for the beagleboard?
  • [01:53:14] <JakeJBailey> no
  • [01:53:22] <JakeJBailey> from translator to screen
  • [01:53:42] <ds2> so you are designing your own OMAP3 board?
  • [01:53:45] <ds2> I am confused
  • [01:54:12] <JakeJBailey> im just making a small board to hold the voltage translators for connecting an lcd to the beagleboard
  • [01:54:30] <jonpry> i am making my own omap3 board
  • [01:54:46] <JakeJBailey> ahhh
  • [01:54:49] <ds2> JakeJBailey: okay, then you do not need the resistors
  • [01:55:15] <JakeJBailey> so its just something that cant hurt and might help for some applications?
  • [01:55:20] <ds2> no
  • [01:55:47] <jonpry> series resistors are bad?
  • [01:55:48] <ds2> schematics isn't going help you but the short story here is - transmission lines. those resistors are attenuation pads
  • [01:55:58] <JakeJBailey> jonpry along with the dvi2par website says they help
  • [01:56:25] <ds2> if that doesn't mean anything to you, hire a EE because just tossing resistors around can really mess up stuff.
  • [01:56:45] <ds2> jonpry: I didn't say that. I am just saying for JakeJBailey's case based on his answers, he doesn't need it.
  • [01:57:15] <JakeJBailey> well thats why im asking if it is that big of a deal on the resistor value for the wires from translator to lcd
  • [01:57:23] <ds2> jkridner|work1: meet at WildPalm, right?
  • [01:57:27] <jonpry> i haven't done any measuring on the displays, so i don't know. but it seems like the displays are very badly grounded
  • [01:57:47] <ds2> JakeJBailey: the resistors are critical but aren't needed for what you are doing.
  • [01:58:05] <jkridner|work1> ds2: I'm at the TI office.
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  • [01:58:08] <ds2> these are fast enough signals to be transmission lines. adding an attenuation pad keeps down the undesireables.
  • [01:58:16] <ds2> jkrinder|work1: where to meet?
  • [01:58:24] <JakeJBailey> i understand, so how are they not needed?
  • [01:58:25] <jkridner|work1> ds2: I can head over there or meet you at a restaurant as well.
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  • [01:58:38] <ds2> JakeJBailey: they are on the BB
  • [01:58:41] <jkridner|work1> why don't we just name a place.
  • [01:58:51] <jkridner|work1> anyone in the bay on #beagle could be welcome to join us. :)
  • [01:59:04] <ds2> SOUTHBAY!
  • [01:59:13] <jkridner|work1> :)
  • [01:59:18] <ds2> what city?
  • [01:59:23] <jkridner|work1> Sunnyvale.
  • [01:59:32] <jkridner|work1> well, that is where I'm at anyway.
  • [01:59:36] <ds2> any preference for type of food?
  • [01:59:45] <ds2> I'm within 10mins of SNV
  • [01:59:48] <jkridner|work1> Thai, Chinese, ...
  • [02:00:08] <JakeJBailey> from beagle to translator there are already resistors, but dont i need them from translator to lcd?
  • [02:00:22] <ds2> Hmm, let me check the location of a place...one sec
  • [02:00:25] <jonpry> ds2: but he is using level shifters, which will act as new drivers and require new series resistors, no?
  • [02:00:33] <rsalveti> jkridner|work1: np :-)
  • [02:00:52] <ds2> JakeJBailey: No. sorry, but you don't agree with me, talk to a EE
  • [02:00:58] <rsalveti> to bad we don't have a xserver driver like we have for n900, but these sgx binaries at least work
  • [02:00:58] <jkridner|work1> rsalveti: yeah, it is really cool to see that support there.
  • [02:01:31] <jkridner|work1> do these drivers work under X?
  • [02:01:48] <jkridner|work1> I don't think accelerating X with the SGX is really all that useful... only the apps.
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  • [02:02:24] <rsalveti> jkridner|work1: it works well, but the n900 also have 2d acceleration
  • [02:02:27] <rsalveti> and that really helps
  • [02:02:28] <jkridner|work1> what you want is accelerated pixman/cairo/etc. with NEON assembly. (by my understanding).
  • [02:02:34] <jkridner|work1> ah.
  • [02:02:42] <rsalveti> for compositor you also have texture from pixmap at n900
  • [02:02:55] <ds2> jkridner|work1: there is this thai place... they should ahve locations in MV or SJ and I think we are in the middle almost equaldistance from them
  • [02:03:06] <rsalveti> that helps a lot improving the compositor performance
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  • [02:03:23] <ds2> jonpry: unless he is using very very very very very fast level shifters....
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  • [02:03:53] <ds2> the thing is... too much resistor and you have built a LP filter... too little and it doesn't do enough
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  • [02:04:16] <jkridner|work1> I drove by Thai Pepper on my way here.
  • [02:04:29] <ds2> anyone else want to join? we can adjust the location
  • [02:04:41] <jonpry> ds2: afaict the level shift is brain dead cmos, where as omap iob is likely an adjustable current source
  • [02:04:50] <jkridner|work1> and food style.
  • [02:05:16] <ds2> krung thai was the one I was looking at
  • [02:05:26] <ds2> thai pepper? google says it is closed.. Hmmm
  • [02:05:45] <ds2> jonpry: yes but the rise time is what matters
  • [02:06:51] <jkridner|work1> I'm still looking for Krung.... if you know that it is good, let's go there.
  • [02:08:01] <jkridner|work1> I see (from closest to me to furthest) Barn Thai, Thai Basil, Siam Taste, Pad Thai Cuisine, Thai Spoons, Thai Angel, The Old Siam, and Thai Pepper.
  • [02:08:12] <jkridner|work1> (Thai Pepper being right by the Wild Palms)
  • [02:08:22] <ds2> found it on yelp
  • [02:08:32] <ds2> Google can't find it for some reason
  • [02:09:03] <jkridner|work1> k, found the one in Santa Clara.
  • [02:09:32] <ds2> there are 2 locations in santa clara and one in mountain view
  • [02:10:11] <jkridner|work1> looks like the one in mountain view (just found) is about the same distance for me.
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  • [02:10:30] <ds2> Barn Thai isn't the best of areas; if you don't mind parking Thai Basil/Siam Taste is probally the closest
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  • [02:11:07] <ds2> yes, it is about equadistance to all of them; I am due south of the wild palm
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  • [02:12:49] <jkridner|work1> old siam seems to have best reviews on Google--but I'd probably trust Yelp more for food reviews.
  • [02:13:08] <jkridner|work1> I don't mind parking fighting parking a bit.
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  • [02:13:27] <jkridner|work1> anyway, this is your town, so I'll take your recommendation. :)
  • [02:13:33] <ds2> other then barn thai, anything should work
  • [02:13:53] <ds2> only reason I though of krung thai was it was good many years ago; haven't been there since
  • [02:14:11] <ds2> pick one, darts, dice, etc
  • [02:16:05] <jkridner|work1> k, darts. :)
  • [02:16:32] <ds2> a touch screen, plastic darts and a BB app...
  • [02:17:17] <jkridner|work1> Krung Santa Clara it is.
  • [02:17:29] <jkridner|work1> unless Mountain View is closer.
  • [02:17:34] <ds2> which location? there is 2 within 2 miles ;)
  • [02:18:27] <jkridner|work1> *sigh*
  • [02:19:25] <ds2> this one: 640 S Winchester Blvd
  • [02:19:30] <ds2> there is parking in the back
  • [02:19:34] <ds2> works?
  • [02:21:58] <jkridner|work1> k.
  • [02:22:40] <ds2> I'll head out in 5mins... anyone else interested?
  • [02:23:24] <jkridner|work1> I'll also head out in 5. see you in about 25.
  • [02:23:44] <ds2> 'k
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  • [02:33:14] <mr_mac3> I understand what the ARM processor is on the BeagleBoard but what is the DSP and SGX?
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  • [02:34:57] <TheLorax> could somebody send me their /sbin/dhcpcd file? I'm having problems crosscompiling....
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  • [02:36:46] <JakeJBailey> mr mac, SGX is a video accelerator it is a specialized chip for doing 3d calculations
  • [02:37:43] <JakeJBailey> the DSP is a digital signal processors, which is just a specialized cpu for doing particular math operations that are prevelant in signal analysis and operating on signals
  • [02:37:59] <mr_mac3> ok, how do i use them?
  • [02:39:01] <JakeJBailey> angstrom should already have all the drivers for them
  • [02:39:20] <JakeJBailey> im about to give ubuntu a go for getting the sgx going, im not too interested dsp
  • [02:39:37] <mr_mac3> ahh ok
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  • [02:40:42] <mr_mac3> i just ordered the beagle board so i am just trying to uderstand the system before it gets here
  • [02:40:42] <mr_mac3> understand**
  • [02:42:22] <JakeJBailey> yea some of the wikis are helpfull, you might want to give those a read
  • [02:44:36] <mr_mac3> ok, thanks
  • [02:45:03] <mr_mac3> it appears the beagleboard is a tad bit more complex than the arduno
  • [02:45:09] <mr_mac3> arduino
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  • [02:45:30] <JakeJBailey> yea a lil bit more, haha
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  • [02:46:39] <mr_mac3> So someone told me that it was possible to develop software locally on the beagleboard. Is that true?
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  • [02:48:38] <TheLorax> or the ouput from whereis dhcpcd
  • [02:48:42] <TheLorax> would be appreciated
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  • [02:52:28] <_pseudonym> I missed the UT competition meeting (didn't get home from campus until now). Are channel logs available somewhere?
  • [02:55:09] <jkridner> channel logs are at http://beagleboard.org/chat
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  • [03:01:42] <djlewis1> mr_mac3: yes the beaglebord is fine for building apps on
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  • [03:02:42] <djlewis1> i'm doing it now :)
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  • [03:26:27] <rsalveti> DavideV: you mean, you want to stop while running u-boot?
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  • [03:26:46] <rsalveti> at least if you hit enter, for example, while running u-boot you can get at the u-boot prompt
  • [03:27:30] <DavideV> It doesn't stop. Hit enter, nadap
  • [03:27:57] <DavideV> *nada.
  • [03:28:46] <DavideV> It wouldn't be so bad, except then it goes on to say there is no boot.scr, then boots from user.scr, which ends in a kernel panic a few seconds later.
  • [03:29:05] <DavideV> On the plus side, it does turn my monitor a calming shade of blue.
  • [03:32:11] <djlewis1> DavideV: does the XM have a user button?
  • [03:32:18] <DavideV> yes
  • [03:32:25] <djlewis1> press and hold it on power up or reset then let go
  • [03:32:30] <DavideV> which skips to the user.scr
  • [03:32:46] <djlewis1> how is your serial wired?
  • [03:33:14] <djlewis1> to the computer?
  • [03:33:35] <DavideV> Serial to USB adapter?
  • [03:34:00] <djlewis1> you are receiving so you should be transmitting too.
  • [03:34:46] <djlewis1> you can unplug db-9 from beagle and bend a paperclip and insert in holes 2 and 3 on the serial end of the serial to usb
  • [03:35:09] <djlewis1> then if you type you should get echoed character
  • [03:35:11] <DavideV> I'd hope so. Is there a secret setting on realterm to transmit?
  • [03:35:24] <djlewis1> ther is a local echo setting
  • [03:35:39] <djlewis1> but not one to enable or disable that I am aware of.
  • [03:36:12] <djlewis1> are you trying loobback with your usb2serial cable?
  • [03:36:15] <DavideV> I had to find a different tab that had a box to send text.
  • [03:36:18] <djlewis1> loopback
  • [03:36:18] <DavideV> So that worked.
  • [03:36:29] <djlewis1> you are getting wwht you typed?
  • [03:36:46] <DavideV> Well, I got the beagleboard to stop in uboot
  • [03:36:54] <djlewis1> then you are goot to that point. perhaps the db-9 was not inserted well
  • [03:37:02] <djlewis1> s/goot/good
  • [03:37:18] <DavideV> No, there is a button in realterm you have to click to send text, hitting return doesn't count
  • [03:37:45] <Jefro> DavideV - wow. you might try hyperterm instead (or switch to Linux and use minicom)
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  • [03:46:53] <djlewis1> oh, i assumed that part
  • [03:49:10] <DavideV> I've performed all the basic uboot tests on this page without problems http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext#Board_and_peripheral_setup
  • [03:49:23] <DavideV> but I still get a kernel panic during startup
  • [03:49:55] <djlewis1> are you using an external powers supply?
  • [03:50:08] <djlewis1> or usb to power?
  • [03:50:32] <djlewis1> should be using external 5v at about 2Amps
  • [03:52:59] <DavideV> ffffff how does it know/why does it matter? It's powered off a hub with a beefy wall supply
  • [03:53:27] <djlewis1> because the BB needs more power than a usb port provides
  • [03:53:47] <djlewis1> unless one is using the powermanagement reduced power kernel
  • [03:54:01] <DavideV> Mmm, what about a cell charger USB? I have a few different one amp ones lying around.
  • [03:54:37] <djlewis1> do you have a DMM to check their polarity? center hole positive 5Vdc
  • [03:54:48] <djlewis1> I use a usb hub wal wart
  • [03:54:55] <djlewis1> wall wart
  • [03:55:40] <DavideV> all my big wall warts have tiny barrel connectors instead of the proper size
  • [03:56:02] <DavideV> But the cell chargers take regular usb...
  • [03:56:28] <djlewis1> you need to try external power
  • [03:56:45] <djlewis1> in the form of a wall wart of 5Vdc 2Amps
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  • [04:05:50] <DavideV> hooked it up to my droid x usb wall wart and everything works fine now
  • [04:06:05] <djlewis1> see, told youso ;)
  • [04:06:14] <DavideV> droid x USB wall wart
  • [04:06:20] <DavideV> *USB*
  • [04:06:35] <djlewis1> more power from it them
  • [04:06:38] <djlewis1> then
  • [04:06:44] <DavideV> exactly
  • [04:06:58] <DavideV> however, iphone chargers cause an endless reboot loop
  • [04:07:08] <djlewis1> good to know
  • [04:07:24] <russ> anyone know a good source of micro-usb connectors?
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  • [04:07:31] <DavideV> something about proprietary resistors on the data lines
  • [04:07:46] <russ> my samsung phone has a bad one and I can't find any replacements that match (foxconn, etc)
  • [04:08:10] <DavideV> @russ As in the micro-usb female on the phone itselg
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  • [04:08:16] <DavideV> *itself?
  • [04:08:24] <russ> DavideV, yes
  • [04:08:56] <russ> its very unique in that it has 7 pins
  • [04:09:45] <DavideV> I don't know about that then.
  • [04:10:07] <DavideV> I'd assume you could try a standard and solder it on the same way as your original.
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  • [04:37:16] <JakeJBailey> trying to install ubuntu and the board tries to boot and just sits there after blinking for a while
  • [04:37:21] <JakeJBailey> followed this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
  • [04:46:28] <TheLorax> wooo, I just installed gentoo on the beagleboard-xm
  • [04:46:44] <TheLorax> after ~10 hours work
  • [04:47:34] <djlewis1> TheLorax: congrats :)
  • [04:47:45] <TheLorax> I'll be sure to write something about it for others
  • [04:47:53] <djlewis1> JakeJBailey: how long a wait in realtime?
  • [04:47:53] <TheLorax> (but not tonight, it's really late)
  • [04:48:02] <TheLorax> oyu mean for the comile?
  • [04:48:05] <TheLorax> compile?
  • [04:48:14] <djlewis1> that wsa to jakeb
  • [04:48:25] <djlewis1> was
  • [04:48:27] <TheLorax> oh, whoops
  • [04:48:33] <djlewis1> get some rest
  • [04:48:38] <TheLorax> yeah ;)
  • [04:49:22] <djlewis1> JakeJBailey: first boot is longest. lots to do in the process. 3 to 4 minutes for Angstrom
  • [04:49:49] <JakeJBailey> ubuntu
  • [04:49:56] <JakeJBailey> been about 45mins
  • [04:49:56] * djlewis1 is having some success reading his i2c device :)
  • [04:50:13] <djlewis1> do you have console yet?
  • [04:50:15] <JakeJBailey> i guess its not doin nothing since it will flash the leds every once in a while
  • [04:50:17] <JakeJBailey> nope
  • [04:50:22] <JakeJBailey> noe serial and no dvi output
  • [04:50:31] <TheLorax> djlewis1: cool. i2c. are you using c calls, or do you need asm?
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  • [04:50:41] <djlewis1> I have to have my serial console when I work on beagleboard
  • [04:50:50] <djlewis1> C
  • [04:51:07] <JakeJBailey> hey jkridner have you ever used ubuntu on beagle?
  • [04:51:15] <jkridner> yes
  • [04:51:18] <TheLorax> djlewis1: if I were to google something to learn about how to use i2c on the beagleboard, what would it be?
  • [04:51:33] <JakeJBailey> im trying to install and there is no serial and no dvi output so idk how long its supposed to take
  • [04:51:34] <djlewis1> hehee
  • [04:51:36] <djlewis1> lol
  • [04:51:39] <djlewis1> rofl
  • [04:51:40] <jkridner> i2c-tools
  • [04:52:00] <JakeJBailey> its been like 45mins and the board is just blinking led like it does when idle
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  • [04:52:05] <TheLorax> I'm sorry, I've never done i2c on anything except a microcontroller
  • [04:52:09] <djlewis1> sorry, I have been busting my arse on this only tofind my device protocol was not as expected :(
  • [04:52:41] <djlewis1> use jkridner tools suggestion to start
  • [04:52:45] <djlewis1> they work
  • [04:53:08] <djlewis1> though at presnet I am using some I compiled on my BB
  • [04:53:11] <djlewis1> present
  • [04:54:04] <sakoman> djlewis1: progress from this morning?
  • [04:54:21] <djlewis1> sakoman: hi
  • [04:54:34] <djlewis1> yep, my device is not like anything i read about
  • [04:54:46] <jkridner> JakeJBailey: i didn't have any 45minute delays booting ubuntu
  • [04:54:51] <sakoman> that is often the case with i2c devices :-)
  • [04:55:05] <sakoman> some are really quite strange
  • [04:55:11] <djlewis1> the init is far different and the data location is 16 bytes into a stream
  • [04:55:22] <JakeJBailey> great
  • [04:55:27] <djlewis1> fo rhte next 6 bytes
  • [04:55:29] <jkridner> oh, but i avoided running the installer
  • [04:55:33] <JakeJBailey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
  • [04:55:53] <jkridner> the installer was *slow*
  • [04:55:55] <JakeJBailey> followed that
  • [04:56:43] <jkridner> i'm on my phone, so i'd have to look at a different time
  • [04:56:48] <JakeJBailey> how did you do it then
  • [04:57:32] <djlewis1> sakoman: the good thing is that i know my device works and where the darn data is :)
  • [04:57:44] <sakoman> progress!
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  • [04:58:46] <djlewis1> now to figure how to make my scope wait 16 bytes to trigger ;)
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  • [05:03:04] <ksinkar> dm8tbr: hi
  • [05:03:05] <djlewis1> looks like I am reading a memory location.first dataum is the device id
  • [05:03:29] <djlewis1> shifted left 1
  • [05:06:48] <Jefro> jkridner - education at 8:30amPT tomorrow, yes?
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  • [05:08:40] <jkridner|work1> Jefro: yikes!
  • [05:08:44] <jkridner|work1> I'll be on a plane!
  • [05:08:58] <jkridner|work1> That is the scheduled time though :)
  • [05:09:53] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: I can't find the instructions I followed before. The pre-installed image on the wiki page you found should work fine, but I haven't tried. 45 minutes seems like too long to wait for it to boot. are you getting the blinking LED?
  • [05:10:05] * jkridner|work1 wonders if Ubuntu blinks the LED.
  • [05:10:32] <JakeJBailey> yea
  • [05:10:45] <JakeJBailey> im gonna try to enable the terminal and see whats up
  • [05:11:04] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [05:11:18] <jkridner|work1> JakeJBailey: have you asked in #ubuntu-arm
  • [05:11:26] <JakeJBailey> yea they are helping me now
  • [05:11:42] <ds2> 0830?! holy crap
  • [05:11:43] <jkridner|work1> Jefro: should we cancel tomorrow, or do you think you could run it?
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  • [05:22:14] <Jefro> jkridner|work1 yes, I can run it, or we can reschedule
  • [05:22:54] <Jefro> ds2 I know - who schedules a meeting at 0830, it's like before dawn or something
  • [05:23:20] <Jefro> hi jonmasters
  • [05:23:40] <ds2> Jefro: is the sun even up at 0830? ;)
  • [05:23:51] <Jefro> ds2 beats me
  • [05:24:17] <Jefro> jkridner|work1 is there an agenda? I can just take up issues from the last minutes, but most of the action items were yours iirc
  • [05:24:39] <ds2> Jefro: what is that education meeting really about?
  • [05:25:32] <Jefro> ds2 it is jkridner's baby - I'm just along for the ride :) working on finding better ways to use the beagleboard as an educational tool for embedded linux, which really was its original charter
  • [05:25:47] <Jefro> actually I guess the original charter was an educational tool for omap & arm, but still
  • [05:26:11] <ds2> Jefro: ah, thought it might be the official meeting for the UT contest thingie
  • [05:26:45] <Jefro> ds2 no, though that could be considered a related project, as could GSOZC
  • [05:26:48] <Jefro> GSOC rather
  • [05:27:00] <Jefro> here is the page about the education project: http://beagleboard.org/linux_education
  • [05:27:11] <Jefro> feel free to join us if your eyes are open that )(*% early
  • [05:29:02] <Jefro> JakeJBailey - if you are still around, I have a memory of trying to get rowboat working on a C4 and having timeout issues that never showed up on the console. it sounds like your install is dead but not notifying you. ubuntu turns off the console somehow.
  • [05:29:04] <ds2> Jefro: that's about 1 hour earlier then I am up
  • [05:29:09] <djlewis1> cool, got my i2c data where it belongs.
  • [05:29:49] <Jefro> ds2 you and me both normally. I try to put in that extra effort for some things. :) gsoc at 0730PT was particularly painful.
  • [05:30:05] <ds2> *nod*
  • [05:30:19] <Jefro> but it's for the kids. think of the kids!
  • [05:30:23] <ds2> Jefro: got too many other things at the end of the day
  • [05:30:37] <ds2> I'll help the kids but we must compromise
  • [05:30:50] <Jefro> ds2 lol you said it
  • [05:31:07] <Jefro> jkridner|work1 - is the conf call set up automagically? I don't have passwords etc
  • [05:31:35] * djlewis1 is doing his snoopy dance
  • [05:31:54] <Jefro> djlewis1 awesome
  • [05:32:35] <djlewis1> :)
  • [05:32:48] <djlewis1> making notes before i sleep and loos all the effort
  • [05:33:20] <ds2> djlewis1: aren't you a bit far from the endzone? ;)
  • [05:33:25] <Jefro> djlewis1 definitely - and be sure to put them on the wiki for the rest of us :)
  • [05:34:34] <Jefro> night all - jkridner, no worries about tomorrow
  • [05:34:42] <djlewis1> yep, far from the endzone. its late but I'm working on that one ds2
  • [05:34:52] <ds2> =)
  • [05:35:05] <djlewis1> and where did I leave a irc chat going that is using djlewis1?
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  • [05:41:49] <jkridner|work1> Jefro: no magic #.
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  • [07:12:00] <ksinkar> dm8tbr: hello
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  • [07:12:33] <ksinkar> dm8tbr: i have updated the project details on the website
  • [07:12:39] <ksinkar> dm8tbr: please check it out
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  • [07:17:00] <dm8tbr> ksinkar: you'll most likely run into problems with gpio. we're looking into spi and a moderate 0.5MS/s for now.
  • [07:18:14] <jonmasters> Jefro: hi, sorry I missed you earlier :)
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  • [07:18:42] <jonmasters> Jefro: my client is a proxy server with some hacks of my own, so I'm always "online" :)
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  • [07:51:59] <dm8tbr> gm _av500_
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  • [08:08:30] <_av500_> jkridner: will submit costs as soon as back from .il
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  • [08:37:11] <_koen_> jannau: ping
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  • [09:29:38] * _koen_ gets the idea that ffmpeg docs mixed up x/y adn w/h in crop
  • [09:34:11] <_koen_> http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC50 it's width:height:x:y
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  • [09:34:36] <_koen_> so size,pos
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  • [09:40:51] <htns> did khasim get android working on beagle-xm?
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  • [09:43:30] <jannau> _koen_: pong
  • [09:43:54] <jannau> gm all
  • [09:47:15] <jannau> _koen_: quite possible depending on the version, the crop option was recently ported to a filter
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  • [09:56:52] <_koen_> jannau: with ffmpeg from git it's size:pos while the docs say pos:size
  • [09:56:58] <_koen_> 0.6.1 seems to have the same bug
  • [09:57:21] <_koen_> jannau: but I seem to have encoding working now for the beaglewall :)
  • [10:03:07] <jannau> _koen_: good. I'll look at it
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  • [10:10:54] <jannau> _koen_: just a problem of the online docs, last generated 2010-08-26. -vf crop syntax was changed Fri Sep 24 23:14:01 2010
  • [10:11:41] <_koen_> ah
  • [10:11:53] <_koen_> jannau: can I have ffmpeg just ouput the stream data and do nothing?
  • [10:12:08] <_koen_> I need to get the width and height so I can feed those to the script
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  • [10:12:19] <_koen_> 'file' doesn't support all the formats I need
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  • [10:20:22] <jannau> ffmpeg -i $FILE or ffprobe
  • [10:23:05] <mru> ffprobe can output machine-parsable format
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  • [10:24:24] <mru> _koen_: when are you guys arriving in cambridge btw?
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  • [10:36:46] <BT> I want try some ARM assemply , is itpossible to run some assemply code or just some C code with a OS
  • [10:38:40] <ZeZu> you can definitely execute any code you want
  • [10:39:07] <ZeZu> you can construct it manually from C code in memory and jump to it if you want ..
  • [10:40:27] <BT> do I need linux or something like that
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  • [10:47:11] <_koen_> mru: tomorrow before lunch
  • [10:47:20] <_koen_> jannau, mru: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/bunny/split.sh
  • [10:49:10] <BT> can we load arm excetable on beagleboard?
  • [10:49:42] <mru> if it's running winphone 7, no
  • [10:51:44] <BT> I just want to execute some arm executable axf code without any os
  • [10:51:51] <mru> axf?
  • [10:52:06] <mru> I've heard of axp, but that's a different universe...
  • [10:52:37] <BT> ARM Executable Format
  • [10:52:56] <mru> never heard of such a thing
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  • [10:57:40] <_koen_> there, script updated to use ffprobe
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  • [11:00:36] <mru> hi Crofton
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  • [11:06:01] <Crofton> gm
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  • [11:14:38] <mru> Crofton: looks like you're in cambridge already
  • [11:14:44] <Crofton> yeah
  • [11:14:57] <mru> I'll be arriving this evening
  • [11:15:06] <Crofton> rob clark is talking abut gstreamer and omap 4
  • [11:15:11] <Crofton> about what time?
  • [11:15:21] <mru> depends on when I leave home
  • [11:15:27] <Crofton> yes
  • [11:15:29] <mru> it's ~3h by train
  • [11:15:30] <Crofton> good point
  • [11:15:40] <Crofton> I am in the travelodge
  • [11:15:43] <Crofton> as is denix
  • [11:15:52] <mru> I'm somewhere else
  • [11:16:09] <Crofton> do you remembet where?
  • [11:16:46] <mru> the lensfield hotel
  • [11:16:56] <mru> somewhere near the university arms
  • [11:17:01] <Crofton> ah
  • [11:17:46] <mru> got plans for dinner?
  • [11:17:56] <Crofton> not yet
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  • [11:20:07] <Crofton> you have my mobile number
  • [11:20:24] <mru> same as @linuxtag?
  • [11:20:31] <Crofton> yeah
  • [11:20:37] <Crofton> use sms :)
  • [11:20:53] <mru> sure
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  • [11:25:36] <Crofton> shhh
  • [11:26:56] <kblin> ssssssss
  • [11:27:07] <kblin> er, sorry
  • [11:28:29] <hitlin37> is performance degrdes if app is compiled by different compiler and the .so it calls is compiled by different compiler...
  • [11:29:13] <jacekowski> no
  • [11:29:33] <mru> if some part is built with a compiler producing slower code, the app as a whole will of course run slower
  • [11:29:38] <jacekowski> it doesn't matter
  • [11:30:10] <hitlin37> hmm
  • [11:33:56] <Crofton> lunch soon
  • [11:34:08] <Crofton> must find an outlet to recharge
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  • [12:09:02] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [12:09:13] <mru> morning jkridner
  • [12:10:32] <jkridner> hi mru, do you know if djwillis made it to Fry's before leaving?
  • [12:10:39] <mru> no idea
  • [12:11:12] <mru> fry's, is that the place that sells 12V PSUs?
  • [12:11:14] <jkridner> k. i'm just at the airport now heading back to Texas.
  • [12:11:44] <jkridner> really enjoyed this trip out.
  • [12:12:28] <jkridner> amongst 1 or 2 other things that could fry a beagle
  • [12:12:31] <_koen_1> the western themes frys?
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  • [12:12:36] <_koen_1> hey jkridner
  • [12:13:45] <jkridner> hey _koen_1. i saw Crofton was headed to ELC-E this morning.
  • [12:13:57] <_koen_1> jannau: pad docs are correct?
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  • [12:18:55] <jannau> _koen_1: pad=width:height:x:y:color
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  • [12:22:52] <hitlin37> im using angstrom next...how do get "normal" gnome screen...angstrom next one looks different
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  • [13:51:06] <jacekowski> how fast are GPIOs on beagle board?
  • [13:51:22] <jacekowski> couple MHz maybe?
  • [13:54:02] <dm8tbr> I was talking to adj about this as someone wanted to interface an ADC/FPGA that way. Probably around 4MHz and then you can't do much else
  • [13:54:21] <dm8tbr> he pointed me to http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/43b8bfda73c10d6c
  • [13:54:49] <jacekowski> well, i'm trying to interface ADC that way
  • [13:55:32] <jacekowski> 8x200kS/s
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  • [13:57:02] <dm8tbr> We're planning to use SPI for our project
  • [13:57:13] <dm8tbr> our Panda just arrived today
  • [13:58:20] <dm8tbr> I wonder if the camera bus or something like that could be repurposed
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  • [14:08:42] <_av500_> gpio are slow
  • [14:08:58] <_av500_> search ml for more detail
  • [14:09:14] <_av500_> 250khz or so
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  • [14:13:26] <_av500_> dm8tbr: ccdc is away to pipe data in
  • [14:13:32] <_av500_> a way
  • [14:15:57] <jacekowski> hmm, SPI
  • [14:16:02] <jacekowski> i can get ADC with spi
  • [14:16:53] <jonpry> lots of serial adc can be hooked up to mcbsp
  • [14:17:07] <jonpry> 192khz i2s?
  • [14:17:24] <jacekowski> i2c is not fast enough
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  • [14:17:30] <jonpry> i2s
  • [14:17:34] <_av500_> i2s
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  • [14:18:22] <jacekowski> hmm, i can do SPI
  • [14:18:38] <_av500_> so do
  • [14:18:51] <jacekowski> hmm, 1.8 or 2.6V?
  • [14:19:03] <_av500_> 1.8 no?
  • [14:19:05] <jonpry> but spi is command response, so you will have to hit the controller at some obnoxious rate
  • [14:19:30] <jonpry> i2s are streaming devices
  • [14:20:14] <_av500_> setup dma
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  • [14:52:00] <_koen_1> there
  • [14:52:01] <_koen_1> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/bunny/split.sh.txt
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  • [14:52:08] <_koen_1> aspect ratio scaling done :)
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  • [15:17:52] <_koen_1> and 4k footage works as well on the beaglewall now :)
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  • [15:28:04] <Jefro> jonmasters O
  • [15:28:28] <Jefro> jonmasters I'll be interested to hear about your sheeva. I have a guruplug that overheats - haven't played much with it
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  • [15:28:46] <jonmasters> Jefro: that's why I bought the Sheeva for playing, not the Guru
  • [15:29:01] <jonmasters> Jefro: they added a fan to the Guru recently to address the heat issues, but I like fanless :)
  • [15:29:23] <JDuke128> hi , is alsamixer having microphone control inside ? i vent seen any analog microphone controls there , does someone know any solution ?
  • [15:29:53] <Jefro> jonmasters cool!
  • [15:30:15] <Jefro> all - just about to start the call for the Linux Education meeting (http://beagleboard.org/linux_education), join if you like
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  • [15:34:33] <GatorBoz> What are the reviews of the 0xdroid android distro on Beagle xM?
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  • [16:11:00] <jonmasters> Jefro: gotta run, back online later
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  • [16:12:24] <Jefro> jonmasters - ok, thanks for joining!
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  • [16:18:14] <khoi0107> hi guys
  • [16:18:23] <khoi0107> anybody?
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  • [16:19:05] <khoi0107> anybody?
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  • [16:19:51] <Risket> hello?
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  • [16:26:22] <BlInK311> hey, hows it goin
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  • [17:41:21] <mru> 20m to cambridge
  • [17:41:47] <djlewis_> sounds close
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  • [17:44:55] <hookem> anyone here?
  • [17:45:45] <hookem> i'm trying to rebuild a kernel. i finally got access to a linux computer, i'm not sure what to do next and where to enter the commands
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  • [17:51:03] <djlewis_> hookem: google suggests you look over this. I can't vouch for it but it should be enlightening.
  • [17:51:05] <djlewis_> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel
  • [17:52:26] <hookem> i have already been there
  • [17:52:29] <hookem> where do i enter those commands?
  • [17:52:30] <hookem> terminal?
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  • [17:55:22] <Jefro> hookem - yes, the terminal is the command line interface for these things. what distribution are you using on the host?
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  • [17:55:32] <djlewis_> hookem: yes those are all console commands, no gui
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  • [17:56:08] <hookem> gnome 2.16.0 centos
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  • [17:57:52] <hookem> for example, i type git or netcfg into terminal and it says command not found
  • [17:59:12] <Jefro> you'll need to install git. here is a place to start: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
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  • [18:00:43] <Jefro> you can get to the git core tools by going to EPEL 5 for your machine (i386?), then Development Tools, then git, which takes you to http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/repoview/git.html
  • [18:01:22] <Jefro> download the rpm that is there and install from the command line with "rpm -i filename.rpm"
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  • [18:02:53] <Jefro> as for netcfg, it was replaced with the Red Hat Network Admin Tool, under Main->Programs->System->Network Config (Main is the main menu button)
  • [18:03:25] <Jefro> although CentOS should work with most network cards out of the box
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  • [18:09:06] <jefe> hello, I'm pretty new to linux, but I'm willing to tough it out. My question is, if I'm going to get a beagleboard, I like the features of the xM, but is it considerably harder to set up and use because it is newer and less documented? or is it essentially the same as the original with some more conveniences?
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  • [18:17:44] <djlewis_> the same with minor changes iirc
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  • [18:35:40] <ds2> morning
  • [18:35:56] <GatorBoz_> has anyone used the 0xdroid distro on the xM?
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  • [18:40:49] <GatorBoz_> anyone?
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  • [18:44:56] <djlewis_> ds2: best o the monring to you :)
  • [18:45:02] <djlewis_> morning ...
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  • [19:16:11] <ds2> HE HE HE HE HE HE
  • [19:18:07] <djlewis_> ds2: too much chocolate ?
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  • [19:19:33] <ds2> djlewis: no, the last email on cap-touch ;)
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  • [19:21:39] <emeb> funny how the availability of cap-touch has deprecated resistive sol'ns in so many folk's minds
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  • [19:22:13] <emeb> they seem to figure that since it's on their smartphone that any other approach is unacceptable
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  • [19:22:34] <ds2> I want to see signature digitization done with captouch ;)
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  • [19:23:37] <emeb> I s'pose you could do it with a conductive stylus
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  • [19:23:56] <ds2> Don't think that works
  • [19:24:15] <ds2> or at least didn't work for the demo stuff I played with
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  • [19:27:50] <djlewis_> emeb: howdy
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  • [19:32:26] <Jay_> Hey guys, does any1 know where i can get network driver for beagleboard?
  • [19:33:14] <adj> network driver?
  • [19:33:31] <Jay_> IWell what im trying to do is make video drivers work on Fedora 12
  • [19:33:42] <Jay_> that is on my SD card
  • [19:34:09] <Jay_> So obviously i cant get the video drivers working on it, so I need to SSH into it
  • [19:34:29] <Jay_> but I do not have any way of sshing it because there is no network on the board
  • [19:34:36] <ds2> sure there is
  • [19:34:51] <ds2> USBnet (assuming your version of the kernel doesn't have a foobared USB driver)
  • [19:35:19] <Jay_> Hmm
  • [19:35:25] <Jay_> so this is what someone was talking about
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  • [19:35:45] <Jay_> I knew that I had to use usb cable to connect it to my pc to provide network connected
  • [19:35:48] <Jay_> connection*
  • [19:36:32] <Jay_> Thanks, ill look into it
  • [19:36:35] <ds2> yes, just a USB mini-B to the Beagle and the otehr end to your PC
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  • [19:37:04] <ds2> it should show up as a usb0 device on the PC end. not sure if your distro has setup to dhcp on connect so you might have to ifconfig it
  • [19:37:55] <Jay_> Hmm, there are a lot of links on the website
  • [19:38:00] <Jay_> Im not too sure which is the right one
  • [19:38:55] <Jay_> I have the Rev C4 version
  • [19:38:59] <Jay_> of the board
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  • [19:40:34] <emeb> djlewis_: heya
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  • [19:49:12] <ds2> Jay_: it is a software thing
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  • [20:12:54] <SlakrHakr> has anyone been able to install drivers for easycap DC-60+ on their beagleboards?
  • [20:13:07] <SlakrHakr> using angstrom btw
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  • [20:18:48] <djlewis_> SlakrHakr: have you tried to install it?
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  • [20:20:27] <SlakrHakr> djlewis_: yeah, it cant find the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build folder
  • [20:20:56] <SlakrHakr> i looked and it said it was sym linked to something that isnt even on the sd card
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  • [20:23:01] <SlakrHakr> it appears to be linked to: /OE/angstrom-dev/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-omap-psp-2.6.32-r70+gitr7b8926aa626991fa087b00f6bbc1fb6b0e8269b0/git
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  • [21:00:28] <_koen_> mru, _av500_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5118288323/in/photostream/
  • [21:02:06] <SlakrHakr> has anyone been able to install drivers for easycap DC-60+ on their beagleboards?
  • [21:03:49] <ds2> _koen_: did you make the plastic cover?
  • [21:03:55] <GatorBoz_> anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive linux compatible beagle JTAG debugger?
  • [21:04:21] <ds2> most of the ones based off the FTDI chip should work
  • [21:04:23] <_koen_> ds2: _roger_ did
  • [21:04:26] <ds2> Olimex has one
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  • [21:07:29] <Ikarus> hrm, are there PDFs or the like of the board artwork online, preferably in vector format, I need to get creative
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  • [21:29:09] <djlewis_> GatorBoz_: may we ask why you want a jtag for the beagleboard
  • [21:31:40] * djlewis_ wants beagleboard driven flat panels hanging on all his walls :)
  • [21:32:18] <djlewis_> oh, he split
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  • [21:48:55] <Jay_> guys im having trouble getting network to work on the beagle board
  • [21:49:06] <Jay_> im running vista, and im trying to use USBnet
  • [21:49:18] <Jay_> on the beagle board, im running Fedora 12
  • [21:49:39] <Jay_> Any idea on how I can get this to work?
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  • [22:02:02] <topfs2> Jay_, first thing is to check if you have brought up the interface on the beagle
  • [22:02:10] <topfs2> second you need to assign an IP, then try ping
  • [22:02:33] <topfs2> if that works then go for trying to forwarding stuff to the beagle, i.e. get internet
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  • [22:15:27] <Jay_> topfs2: I'm not even there yet
  • [22:15:48] <Jay_> I have no idea on how i can provide network connection to the board
  • [22:16:03] <Jay_> since it doesnt have ethernet port
  • [22:16:11] <Jay_> i have to use usb cable and connect to my vista machine
  • [22:16:36] <Jay_> I;m trying to use usbnet but im having problems with it
  • [22:20:03] <topfs2> I've only done it via ubuntu and beagle on angstrom
  • [22:20:13] <topfs2> So can't say how you do it on win7
  • [22:21:55] <topfs2> So Jay_ on the beagle thats the thing you need to do (except the last thing since thats on host side)
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  • [22:43:05] <beagy> hi everyone
  • [22:43:23] <beagy> my board prints out following lines
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  • [22:43:26] <beagy> timed out in wait_for_pin: I2C_STAT=0 I2C read: I/O error Unrecognized expansion board: 0 Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss (Apr 13 2010 - 22:36:28) Beagle Rev C4
  • [22:43:40] <beagy> and restarts everytime
  • [22:43:56] <beagy> have any idea?
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  • [22:50:09] <djlewis_> beagy: power?
  • [22:50:42] <beagy> usb powered
  • [22:50:56] <djlewis_> can you try a 5vdc external source?
  • [22:51:05] <beagy> actually i power it from usb hub
  • [22:51:11] <djlewis_> 2Amps is recomended
  • [22:51:46] <djlewis_> yeah, the c4 doesn not demand as much as the newer XM
  • [22:52:22] <djlewis_> beagy: do you have any expansion attached to the board?
  • [22:52:40] <beagy> no expansion board is attached
  • [22:53:21] <beagy> now i supply 5v from usb hub
  • [22:53:41] <beagy> and usb connector of beagleboard is even not connected
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  • [22:56:02] <djlewis_> beagy: all I can suggest it trying a external 5vDC power supply. My best guess
  • [22:57:06] <beagy> ok djlewis_ i'll try that.
  • [22:57:27] <beagy> but it is used to work in that way
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  • [22:57:59] <djlewis_> beagy: you might get on the list ans ask. then the hardware gurus will see it.
  • [22:58:20] <djlewis_> is it the same with or without your SD installed?
  • [22:58:26] <beagy> ok thanx again
  • [22:58:43] <djlewis_> beagy: ^ ^ ^
  • [22:59:24] <djlewis_> beagy: is it the same with or without your SD installed?
  • [22:59:30] <beagy> same on both
  • [22:59:37] <djlewis_> hmmm
  • [22:59:47] <djlewis_> back to last suggestion then :(
  • [23:00:15] <beagy> i even dont sink from usb
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  • [23:01:04] <djlewis_> beagy: starage as it may seem a lot of boot issues are resolved with a good external dc source
  • [23:01:25] <djlewis_> I use one from a cheap usb hub
  • [23:01:30] <djlewis_> same connector and all
  • [23:02:20] <beagy> i'll source it from computer direct 5V. but it is too late for that, tommorrow will be better
  • [23:02:49] <beagy> good nite
  • [23:03:14] <jacekowski> hmm, i never power stuff like that from power supply without current limiter
  • [23:03:34] <jacekowski> and computer power supply can deliver 30A@5V
  • [23:03:40] <jacekowski> or more
  • [23:03:52] <djlewis_> make lots of smoke if wires get crossed
  • [23:04:13] <jacekowski> i was connecting 30V across a pencil
  • [23:04:29] <jacekowski> which gave me around 2A-2.5A
  • [23:04:49] <jacekowski> that was a lot of smoke
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  • [23:06:14] <djlewis_> heading home..later :)
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