• [00:01:51] <Heff01> please...
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  • [00:07:12] <hitlin37> u can start with here,i guess ,not surehttp://code.google.com/p/rowboat/downloads/list
  • [00:13:04] <wmat> Heff01: found this, http://code.google.com/p/android-development-environment/downloads/detail?name=froyo-beagle-image.tar.bz2&can=2&q=
  • [00:13:30] <wmat> not sure if it's for the XM
  • [00:14:42] <hitlin37> might work :)
  • [00:19:09] <wmat> Heff01: also this http://coredruids.org/?page_id=77
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  • [00:52:24] <asanoki> hello. how to buy beagleboard-xm in europe?
  • [00:52:31] <asanoki> not to ship it from usa?
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  • [00:58:03] <pcacjr> i'm trying to upgrade x-loader and u-boot but i get I2C read: I/O error all the time
  • [00:58:40] <pcacjr> what's possibly going on ?
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  • [01:05:28] <pcacjr> well, i think i got that error messages cause' i used to have a broken serial cable :-)
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  • [01:09:50] <djlewis> asanoki: isn't there a Digikey distribution in Europe?
  • [01:10:33] <asanoki> djlewis: it is, but i'll have to pay additional 20% tax
  • [01:10:54] <asanoki> also 60 usd for shipping
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  • [01:12:09] <buZz> 20%, you are lucky, in .nl they get to determine from 0% to 100% for each package, based on mysterious and secret protocols
  • [01:12:27] <djlewis> asanoki: then I suggest you ask on the google beagle mail list
  • [01:12:43] <buZz> yeah, get a US henchman
  • [01:12:57] <buZz> someone to order for you and send it to you, or take it with them on a trip to you
  • [01:13:00] <buZz> ;)
  • [01:13:03] <asanoki> i don't understand why it is possible to buy beagleboard almost everywhere, but mx only from usa
  • [01:13:03] <djlewis> asanoki: you might watch too for trade shows where the beagleboard is present
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  • [01:13:27] * djlewis thinks they are on backorder here in US
  • [01:14:25] <djlewis> asanoki: me either, it is basically the same with speed minor differences
  • [01:14:36] <djlewis> as the earlier BB;s
  • [01:15:16] <djlewis> but some countries may think a hobbyist is really planning a missle har har..
  • [01:16:48] <asanoki> as it is written, mx is selling very well, so it is strange that they don't talk with resellers. maybe the mx version is unstable?
  • [01:17:13] <asanoki> and it could be problematic for resellers to provide warranty
  • [01:17:27] <djlewis> try the "XM"
  • [01:18:01] <asanoki> i mean xm :)
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  • [03:34:05] <mimcpher> Is there somewhere that all of the relevant chip manuals for the beagleboard xM are collected? I'm interested in porting an operating system to it. I can google obviously, but if there's a resource I don't know about, I'd appreciate it.
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  • [04:18:19] <ramiro> hi
  • [04:18:56] <ds2> hmmmm
  • [04:20:04] <ramiro> should I expect any damage to the board if the serial connection is set to the wrong baud rate in the PC?
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  • [04:20:27] <russ> no
  • [04:20:43] <mimcpher> not at all. You will just get garbage chars
  • [04:21:16] <ds2> this being an embedded device... the correct answer is no, unless you have a failsafe self destruct setup on the serial port :D
  • [04:21:41] <ramiro> my board no longer wants to work. now I'm connecting at the proper rate again, and I get only some pieces of text through the serial connection
  • [04:22:00] <ds2> check your cable and be sure flow control is set to none.
  • [04:23:37] <ramiro> 'sudo screen /dev/ttyS0 115200' should do it, or do I have to set something else?
  • [04:24:16] <russ> if you are only seeing some pieces of text, it would seem like you might have the serial port opened by more than one app
  • [04:24:23] <russ> what does sudo fuser /dev/ttyS0 say?
  • [04:25:15] <russ> also, the man page for screen describes how to turn flow control on and off
  • [04:25:47] <ramiro> heh, I have like 20 billion screen open =)
  • [04:26:25] <russ> a byte read over the serial port can only be read by one reader, whichever one reads it first
  • [04:27:23] <ramiro> russ: killing them all made it work again.
  • [04:27:26] <ramiro> thanks
  • [04:27:53] <russ> the point of screen is that you only need one for a given task :)
  • [04:28:09] <ramiro> I'm going back to kermit =)
  • [04:28:11] <ds2> isn't it always good to have a spare? :D
  • [04:28:22] <ds2> wheeeeee another kermit user!
  • [04:28:35] <ramiro> well usually I ctrl+alt+d on screen to detach (irssi mostly)
  • [04:29:05] <ds2> but kermit is a nicer tool for serial port stuff
  • [04:29:07] <ramiro> first time I tried using screen for the bb
  • [04:29:10] <russ> if only I could remember the dos com program I used back in the day
  • [04:29:20] <ds2> telix?
  • [04:29:28] <ramiro> hyperterminal?
  • [04:29:34] <ramiro> nah, too guish
  • [04:30:09] <russ> brb
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  • [08:09:10] <siji> hi am having Xbee RF module with beagle (Clone)
  • [08:09:18] <siji> How to configure this with Angstrom
  • [08:19:44] <ynezz> the same way as you would with android or ubuntu
  • [08:20:00] <ynezz> s/would/would do/
  • [08:20:05] * hrw|gone is now known as hrw
  • [08:20:26] <siji> ynezz, for me ?
  • [08:21:02] * ynezz me go
  • [08:21:30] <av500> siji: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
  • [08:21:34] <russ> meego?
  • [08:21:42] <siji> av500, thanks
  • [08:23:05] <ynezz> russ: 16:32:14 < buZz> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/nokias-meego-chief-resigns/ 16:36:32 < ynezz> funny comment "I bet his letter of resignation just said, Me Go."
  • [08:23:08] <ynezz> :p
  • [08:27:00] <siji> av500, why this link for me
  • [08:27:04] <siji> ?
  • [08:28:02] <ynezz> because you asked !smart_question
  • [08:28:19] <ynezz> and !smart_question is stupid_question
  • [08:28:34] <ynezz> simply said
  • [08:28:36] <siji> ynezz, I dnt think so
  • [08:28:58] <siji> If it is that much simple then why cant you people answer for it
  • [08:29:03] <av500> siji: imaginge that we are not standing around your desk
  • [08:29:16] <av500> siji: nobody said it is simple
  • [08:29:25] <russ> siji, move the mouse over there, and then click on that
  • [08:29:44] <russ> did you click?
  • [08:29:48] <russ> what does your screen say now
  • [08:29:49] <av500> siji: imagine that people dont even know what xbee is?
  • [08:29:57] <av500> or how you connected it
  • [08:30:08] <siji> av500, am ready to explain in detail
  • [08:30:52] <siji> ya, I think i did a mistake that instead of module i should have use Hardware module
  • [08:30:54] <russ> siji, it would be better to explain what problem you are having, what roadblock you are running into, or what piece of information you are missing rather than what overall task you are trying to accomplish
  • [08:31:06] <siji> russ, ok
  • [08:31:29] <siji> I have purchased the RF hw module for beagleboard clone
  • [08:32:04] <ynezz> maybe url of the module and clone would help
  • [08:33:02] <siji> ynezz, ok
  • [08:33:51] <siji> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless/point-multipoint/xbee-series1-module.jsp#overview
  • [08:34:11] <ynezz> and for the clone?
  • [08:34:53] <siji> ynezz, i dnt have the info about it, since our client provide us
  • [08:35:12] <av500> siji: and you connected it how? remember, we are still not standing around your desk.....
  • [08:35:29] <ynezz> there's only one "Interface options: 3V CMOS UART"
  • [08:35:30] <siji> av500, I can understand
  • [08:35:51] <ynezz> so you'll need to add some ftdi232 to it
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  • [08:36:15] <siji> ynezz, ok
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  • [08:36:29] <ynezz> but it depends on your clone
  • [08:36:36] <ynezz> is it 1:1 clone?
  • [08:37:11] <av500> siji: and you connected it how?
  • [08:37:34] <russ> there are so many layers here, physical, electrical, rs232, protocol, zigbee, etc
  • [08:37:44] <siji> I think it's blue shark's embedded SO-DIMM system on module with TI OMAP353
  • [08:37:45] <russ> and still no idea which layer siji is having trouble with
  • [08:37:54] <av500> siji: and you connected it how?
  • [08:38:12] <siji> av500, there is a socket in the base board for that
  • [08:38:28] <russ> there is a socket specifically for the zigbee module?
  • [08:38:29] <av500> base board?
  • [08:38:32] <siji> yes
  • [08:38:39] <russ> yes to which?
  • [08:39:02] <siji> russ,there is socket in the base board for xbee
  • [08:39:23] <siji> ( i dnt have more info about the hardware )
  • [08:39:40] <av500> siji: what board?
  • [08:39:40] <russ> then we can't really help if you don't have information about the socket and how it connects
  • [08:39:41] <siji> Just i want to check whether this device is detected or not?
  • [08:39:58] <siji> russ, ok
  • [08:40:03] <av500> siji: what board?
  • [08:40:14] <siji> av500, it's a base board
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  • [08:40:19] <av500> hell yes
  • [08:40:22] <av500> it has a name?
  • [08:40:36] <siji> it's not purchased form anybody
  • [08:40:43] <siji> they designed thier own
  • [08:40:43] <av500> it fell from the sky?
  • [08:40:53] <av500> well, and why dont you ask "them"?
  • [08:41:08] <siji> SO how can i provide you the manufacture name
  • [08:41:15] * av500 gives up
  • [08:41:32] <siji> av500, now u pls read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
  • [08:41:39] <av500> lol
  • [08:41:42] <siji> russ,
  • [08:41:46] <russ> yes?
  • [08:42:03] <russ> siji, you'll need to reverse engineer the hardware
  • [08:42:12] <russ> probably probe out the connections
  • [08:42:15] <siji> ok
  • [08:42:26] <siji> russ, how to test whether it's detected or not ?
  • [08:42:49] <russ> siji, do you even understand the question you are asking?
  • [08:43:02] <av500> russ: now you read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
  • [08:43:29] <ynezz> and what about me?
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  • [08:43:38] <russ> ynezz, yugo
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  • [08:43:44] <av500> yugo ftw!
  • [08:44:13] <dm8tbr> it's not a smart car though ;)
  • [08:44:28] <ynezz> you mean, knight rider?
  • [08:45:51] * dm8tbr now imagines a yugo with a light bar on the grill making a woooosh sound...
  • [08:46:38] <ynezz> hm, marshmallows
  • [08:47:08] <russ> you mean jkrider?
  • [08:47:24] <av500> :)
  • [08:48:16] <russ> sigh.....'Ah I see. In software we would call it a "fork".'
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  • [08:50:45] <siji> russ, I will collect the detailed info about the connector and get back to you
  • [08:50:50] <siji> Thanks alot
  • [08:50:59] <siji> av500, thanks .....
  • [08:51:16] <russ> siji, just think, its an interface that uses RS232 3V CMOS so it must connect that somehow...
  • [08:51:25] <russ> hopefully to a UART
  • [08:51:29] <siji> ok
  • [08:51:39] <russ> and then there might be some GPIOs that select functions or turn it off and on
  • [08:51:50] <siji> ok
  • [08:52:05] <russ> from there, you can start sending commands over the serial port, right?
  • [08:52:23] <siji> ok
  • [08:52:34] <russ> and when you send commands, what do you expect to see?
  • [08:52:52] <siji> Am having receiver too
  • [08:53:09] <siji> which i have successfully in the desktop PC
  • [08:53:10] <russ> Do you know what commands to send to see if you are talking to the module?
  • [08:53:33] <siji> no idea :(
  • [08:53:46] <russ> you'll need that information, I don't think anyone here can give that to you
  • [08:54:02] <siji> ok
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  • [08:54:17] <siji> I think there is a special sets of API are available for xbee
  • [08:54:48] <russ> probably, but how about just start with reading about the rs232 interface that your module provides
  • [08:55:16] <siji> hmm, right
  • [08:55:49] <siji> let me explore more
  • [08:55:51] <ynezz> In angstrom you've now 3 options how to talk with it python-serial, luars232 (Lua RS232 lib) and librs232 (C library for RS232)
  • [08:56:01] <siji> ok
  • [08:56:03] * av500 recommends reading http://ftp1.digi.com/support/documentation/90000982_B.pdf
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  • [08:56:36] <siji> av500, reading ..
  • [08:56:48] <ynezz> luars232 and librs232 has been added recently, so I don't know if there packages available for it somewhere
  • [08:57:13] <siji> ynezz, ok
  • [08:57:26] <ynezz> but you can build them manualy anyway
  • [08:58:02] <siji> yes, Hope OE can do it
  • [08:59:44] <ynezz> the python-serial/lua-rs232 are great for prototyping
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  • [09:00:25] <ynezz> one can write and debug the lib on the PC and then just test it on beagle
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  • [09:17:37] <JDuke127> hi , i m having problem on toolchain sdk C++ hello.c , i tried to compile code : http://pastebin.com/wvnpg2Gr with this command , but when i add clutter.h i got huge errors as shown here http://pastebin.com/HqdtJmDR , whats wrong ? someone can help ?
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  • [09:22:07] <cvandonderen> hi
  • [09:22:18] <cvandonderen> I still haven't been able to revive my Beagleboard
  • [09:22:31] <cvandonderen> I now want to try it over USB
  • [09:22:47] <cvandonderen> but then which cables have to be connected
  • [09:22:53] <av500> usb?
  • [09:23:01] <cvandonderen> since it always hangs at the waiting for device id 009 thing
  • [09:23:08] <cvandonderen> yeah, with pusb instead of pserial
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  • [09:37:39] <cvandonderen> what is wrong when I do not get the device in lsusb?
  • [09:40:45] <russ> is it a full or low speed device?
  • [09:40:57] <russ> oh wait, you mean the other way
  • [09:42:09] <cvandonderen> yeah
  • [09:42:15] <cvandonderen> my PC has to detect the beagleboard
  • [09:42:21] <cvandonderen> since serial does not work
  • [09:42:27] <cvandonderen> and it does not show up on the desktop
  • [09:42:37] <russ> if serial doesn't work, the usb won't
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  • [09:42:47] <russ> unless the fault in the cable or host configuration
  • [09:43:00] <cvandonderen> how can I get serial alive again then?
  • [09:43:02] <av500> cvandonderen: you dont get 40W on the serial?
  • [09:43:08] <cvandonderen> nothing
  • [09:43:10] <cvandonderen> not at all
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  • [09:43:21] <av500> even with user button and no sdcard?
  • [09:43:26] <cvandonderen> yes
  • [09:43:28] <cvandonderen> nothing
  • [09:43:38] <cvandonderen> with 115200 8N1
  • [09:43:48] <cvandonderen> not on Windows, Mac and Linux
  • [09:43:53] <cvandonderen> with 2 usb-serial converters
  • [09:43:56] <cvandonderen> and 3 serial cables
  • [09:44:03] <cvandonderen> so some combo should work
  • [09:44:18] <russ> well, were some of the serial cables null modem, and some not?
  • [09:45:08] <cvandonderen> it is not on the cables
  • [09:45:11] <cvandonderen> so maybe
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  • [09:46:11] <cvandonderen> then it doesn't work?
  • [09:46:58] <av500> well, it might be really broken
  • [09:47:26] <cvandonderen> but the heartbeat is there on the board
  • [09:47:30] <cvandonderen> it just doesn't boot
  • [09:47:32] <cvandonderen> anything
  • [09:47:34] <cvandonderen> :-P
  • [09:47:37] <av500> it does
  • [09:47:41] <av500> if it has heartbeat
  • [09:47:45] <av500> it booted
  • [09:47:49] <cvandonderen> yeah, ok
  • [09:47:54] <cvandonderen> I get the orange screen
  • [09:47:58] <cvandonderen> and then the beagle logo
  • [09:48:00] <av500> then it booted
  • [09:48:00] <cvandonderen> and there it hangs
  • [09:48:14] <av500> from nand or from sd?
  • [09:48:14] <cvandonderen> with several different images
  • [09:48:16] <cvandonderen> SD
  • [09:48:25] <cvandonderen> I cannot get it to overwrite the bootloader
  • [09:48:47] <av500> I still assume your serial cabling is bad
  • [09:48:55] <av500> can you do a loopback test
  • [09:49:02] <av500> remove bb and short 2+3
  • [09:49:26] <cvandonderen> eh, where?
  • [09:49:30] <cvandonderen> I'm new to this stuff
  • [09:49:34] <cvandonderen> short the cable?
  • [09:49:58] <cvandonderen> or the pins on the BB?
  • [09:50:01] <av500> connect pin 2 and 3 and test on the pc side
  • [09:53:23] <cvandonderen> what should i see?
  • [09:54:19] <av500> typing on the pc should echo back what u type
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  • [10:03:06] <cvandonderen> av500: seems so yes
  • [10:03:10] <cvandonderen> the first part is working
  • [10:03:14] <cvandonderen> the connector is broken
  • [10:03:23] <cvandonderen> (2nd part of cable)
  • [10:03:27] <tasslehoff> How can I verify that the Beagle/Qt is(n't) actually using the SGX?
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  • [10:04:44] <_koen_> unload sgx kernel modules
  • [10:06:17] <av500> or use sgx less omap :)
  • [10:07:10] <tasslehoff> hm. not a single kernel module that looks like it has something to do with sgx. bad start.
  • [10:07:24] <av500> pvrsomething
  • [10:07:35] <av500> pvrsrvkm or so
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  • [10:08:47] <_koen_> omaplfb
  • [10:08:55] <tasslehoff> yep, they are there
  • [10:09:01] <tasslehoff> loaded, even :)
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  • [10:11:00] <tasslehoff> bufferclass_ti and omaplfb used pvrsomething, but nobody seemed to use those, so I was allowed to rmmod them.
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  • [10:31:15] <ksinkar> hi
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  • [11:11:15] <ksinkar> how do u build the kernel for beagle board?
  • [11:11:27] <ksinkar> what cross-toolchains do u use?
  • [11:15:20] <tasslehoff> ksinkar: many use openembedded, that compiles its own toolchain.
  • [11:16:34] <tasslehoff> ksinkar: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/simplified-development-setup is nice to get started
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  • [11:59:27] <jkridner|work> koen: how do I install xbmc? i got libcdio conflicts when just doing 'opkg install xbmc' and I got libcdio10 missing if I do 'opkg --force-depends install xbmc'.
  • [12:00:57] <jkridner|work> _koen_: ping ^^^^
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  • [12:27:13] <jkridner|work> adding a symlink to the newer libcdio enabled it to run, but I'm not sure if that is a good hack.
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  • [12:42:17] <_koen_> jkridner|work: did you get r10 or r11?
  • [12:42:21] <_koen_> r11 has the cdio fix
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  • [12:48:42] <tasslehoff> _koen_: OE-question. I have added only the qtlibs I need to IMAGE_INSTALL, but I need to make sure that qt4-embedded-gles is built instead of qt4-embedded. Is adding qt4-embedded-gles to DEPENDS in my image the correct action?
  • [12:48:57] <koen> no
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  • [12:49:06] <koen> include the powervr plugin
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  • [13:01:56] <tasslehoff> koen: how/where? I see the gles-recipe has adds -plugin-gfx-powervr to QT_GLFLAGS, but I can't find any ipk for the plugin after bitbaking.
  • [13:04:10] <koen> qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl
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  • [13:10:08] <tasslehoff> thanks. and adding that one to IMAGE_INSTALL is all that's needed for Qt to understand that there's an SGX present that it should use?
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  • [13:17:33] <koen> tasslehoff: no, you need to pass some args at runtime, check the qt docs
  • [13:17:58] <tasslehoff> koen: great
  • [13:24:30] <Crofton> http://pastebin.com/wtRBzS6d
  • [13:24:39] <Crofton> koen, I have opkg issues
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  • [13:26:26] <koen> Crofton: bump PR
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  • [13:28:10] <Crofton> then it will be infinity ....
  • [13:28:27] <Crofton> I am guessing opkg hates what I am doing
  • [13:29:03] <Crofton> maybe I should use gitver
  • [13:29:23] <Crofton> hmm, that won't help the case where I do an edit and do not commit
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  • [13:56:05] <koen> Crofton: I use SRCPV on my local recipes, works reasonably well
  • [13:56:54] <Crofton|work> I'll try that
  • [13:57:11] <Crofton|work> I am half thinking of turning on tarball generation
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  • [13:57:24] <Crofton|work> upadting -dbg is not working so well
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  • [14:00:32] <koen> Crofton: add a custom task that does scp ${WORKDIR}/image/* root@usrp-embedded.local:/
  • [14:00:43] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:01:05] <Crofton> you speak form experience ...
  • [14:01:19] <koen> yeah
  • [14:01:31] <koen> I need to finish that prototype
  • [14:01:43] <koen> so I can do bitbake foo -c upload-beagle
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  • [14:02:05] <koen> ah, .wires is gone
  • [14:02:53] <koen> all hail .caps MMC_CAP_4_BIT_DATA
  • [14:04:21] <koen> heh
  • [14:04:31] <mru> .wires is gone, so it's .wireless now?
  • [14:04:34] <koen> a guy from nigeria is complaining that noone will ship a beagle
  • [14:04:45] <koen> I wouldn't ship anything to nigeria
  • [14:04:55] <mru> must suck to be an honest nigerian
  • [14:04:57] <koen> I don't think nigeria even exists, it's invented by scammers
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  • [14:05:47] * dm8tbr knows people who claim to be nigerians
  • [14:06:23] <russ> dir sirs, I have inherited a sum of $199 (one-hundred-ninety-nine dollars) and I wish your trust in a transaction of a beagle board
  • [14:06:39] * mru was once briefly involved with a girl claiming to be from there
  • [14:06:54] <russ> mru, did she need you to transfer some money?
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  • [14:07:16] <mru> not exactly
  • [14:07:26] <mru> but she was hard to get rid of
  • [14:08:36] <russ> there's a story here...but I think I'll leave that rock where it is
  • [14:08:56] <mru> if there's a story, it's a short one
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  • [14:18:37] <mcgeagh> not sure if anyone knows this, but what is the approx price point for the pandaboard?
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  • [14:20:09] <ynezz> I think, that something between 100-1000 USD
  • [14:20:17] <JDuke127> hello , i tried to compile a sample clutter app but i got this error on pkg-config : http://pastebin.com/urnXvEGA , someone know how to fix that problem ?
  • [14:20:20] <ynezz> not less or more
  • [14:20:47] <mcgeagh> thanks ynezz, thats narrowed it down for me
  • [14:21:11] <ynezz> you're welcom, glad it helped
  • [14:21:20] <ynezz> s/welcom/welcome/
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  • [14:23:34] <ynezz> mcgeagh: try to ask on #pandaboard
  • [14:24:39] <ynezz> well, http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/cb8ecdebeeb450af
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  • [14:28:35] <koen> jkridner|work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5057374700/
  • [14:28:53] <koen> mcgeagh: less than $179 according to the panda mailinglist
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  • [14:47:53] <_av500_> bah 13 fps
  • [14:48:18] <mru> where's topfs2 when you need him?
  • [14:49:02] <topfs2> here!
  • [14:49:15] <russ> mru, too bad he isn't around
  • [14:49:44] <mru> topfs2: so how do you explain the 13?
  • [14:50:29] <topfs2> texture cache :)
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  • [14:58:12] <topfs2> and to take that into context I got from 15ish to 30 if I made sure I never hit texture cache (which seemed to be around 512x512)
  • [14:58:43] <topfs2> (know you were joking but I still can't believe that did so much :) )
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  • [15:34:10] <GeneralStupid> Hi, ive got an beagleboard since one year, it always worked fine witg my USB Dongle, but now it dosnt, it was renamed from eth0 to usb0 and i get ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready
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  • [15:39:05] <jkridner|work> koen: any reason the optimizations were turned off?
  • [15:39:39] <jkridner|work> koen: is there a keypress to trigger screen capture?
  • [15:45:24] <b7500af1> mru, another question about neon. My understanding is that the neon instructions are executed simultaneously with ARM instructions.. unless you fill the NEON instruction (or data) queue. In which case, the ARM processor stalls until room is available on the queue.
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  • [15:46:17] <b7500af1> Is that correct, and if so.. is it something you would be concerned with? Should I be checking my ASM to ensure I don't have tons of neon instructions in a row?
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  • [15:46:27] <mru> neon instructions pass through the arm alu pipeline and into the neon instruction fifo
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  • [15:46:45] <mru> the arm core can send two neon insns per cycle into the fifo
  • [15:46:59] <mru> if the fifo is full, the arm core stalls
  • [15:47:46] <mru> when there are insns in the fifo, the neon engine executes them in parallel with whatever the arm core is doing
  • [15:48:24] <_koen_> jkridner|work: topfs2 moved them to a conf file setting and I didn't change the xml
  • [15:48:28] <mru> there is a single shared load/store unit though
  • [15:48:54] <mru> neon loads are picked up early and the data placed in the neon data fifo
  • [15:49:19] <topfs2> _koen_, jkridner and I moved it to a conf mostly in a step to make it go back to trunk
  • [15:49:27] <topfs2> (if we are talking about dirty region and xbmc?)
  • [15:49:32] <mru> which means data are usually available by the time the following neon instruction makes it through the insn fifo
  • [15:49:36] <_koen_> b7500af1: what's your email address? The dsp gurus have some questions for you to make your fft go faster
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  • [15:49:45] <mru> that's how neon loads appear to have no latency
  • [15:49:47] <_koen_> topfs2: yes
  • [15:50:01] <topfs2> You use my gsoc branch in repo now or just trying it out?
  • [15:50:19] <_koen_> your branch
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  • [15:51:36] <topfs2> cool :)
  • [15:51:51] <topfs2> Currently working abit on getting it into trunk actually
  • [15:52:03] <_koen_> nice
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  • [15:59:16] <b7500af1> mru, thanks for the explanation.
  • [16:01:27] <GeneralStupid> Hi can anyone help me with my usb network device ?
  • [16:01:40] <GeneralStupid> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready
  • [16:01:43] <GeneralStupid> this is what i get
  • [16:01:57] <zumbi> ifup usb0
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  • [16:02:30] <jkridner|work> topfs2: keep us updated if it gets in the trunk. that'll be great news.
  • [16:02:31] <topfs2> GeneralStupid, could be worth unplug and replug aswell if ifup doesn't work
  • [16:03:09] <jkridner|work> is the conf file a run-time replacement or build time?
  • [16:03:16] <topfs2> run-time
  • [16:03:32] <jkridner|work> is there a URL where I can wget an optimized one?
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  • [16:04:04] <GeneralStupid> topfs2: should restart help, if unplug helps ? ;) i soldered the Usb Dongle on the USB Hub (worked for about 4 months)
  • [16:04:27] <topfs2> jkridner|work, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/XBMC#Documentation check the advancedsettings.xml
  • [16:04:59] <topfs2> the most optimized is 2. Sadly it doesnt' do as much on SGX as I had hoped though. Does loads on mesa rendering on my workstation :)
  • [16:05:51] <topfs2> (on normal skins it did approx 50%) The thing I found did most was splitting textures so any texture never is larger than 512x512
  • [16:06:01] <topfs2> that gave about 2x spee
  • [16:06:24] <topfs2> (damn it took a while to find that though)
  • [16:06:46] <topfs2> GeneralStupid, for me it didn't actually. I would have thought it should but nope
  • [16:08:19] <GeneralStupid> topfs2: http://pastebin.com/MN2nbaJU
  • [16:08:23] <topfs2> ugh remembered wrong, was 50% on that aswell
  • [16:08:56] <GeneralStupid> topfs2: unplugging and replugging didnt help but get some new messages
  • [16:16:47] <GeneralStupid> ich kann mir vorstellen das ich ein Userland upgrade gemacht habe - aber der kernel bleibt ja gleich
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  • [16:25:42] <koen> topfs2: should advancedsettings.xml already exist?
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  • [16:28:02] <topfs2> koen, nope
  • [16:29:50] <topfs2> At some point I guess it should default to having dirty enabled, there is no downsides with it really
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  • [16:42:54] <topfs2> ooops jkridner|work koen the documentation conf is wrong. I missspelled advancedsettings
  • [16:43:24] <_av500_> omg
  • [16:43:59] <topfs2> so uncool I know :)
  • [16:45:48] <mru> he misspelled misspelled too...
  • [16:46:05] <mru> one might even say he misspelt it
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  • [16:56:41] <topfs2> damn english!
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  • [17:10:42] <PaulW_cdot> beagleboard xm hangs after decompressing the kernel, says - decompressing.....done, booting. then no further output. This is using either the angstrom validation image
  • [17:11:19] <PaulW_cdot> almost as if the output is going elsewhere, using ttyS2 as the console
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  • [17:11:49] <woglinde> hm llvm 2.8 is out
  • [17:13:55] <PaulW_cdot> any thoughts as to what i can do?
  • [17:14:38] <woglinde> wrong cmdline for the console?
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  • [17:15:37] <PaulW_cdot> tried ttys0-2, same result
  • [17:15:58] <woglinde> o.O
  • [17:17:12] <russ> S?
  • [17:17:21] <woglinde> console=ttyS2,115200 ?
  • [17:17:27] <woglinde> ups
  • [17:17:30] <woglinde> console=ttyS2,115200n8
  • [17:17:48] <PaulW_cdot> console=ttyS2,115200n8
  • [17:17:52] <PaulW_cdot> yes
  • [17:17:57] <PaulW_cdot> lowercase was a typo
  • [17:17:59] <PaulW_cdot> sorry
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  • [17:22:05] <woglinde> PaulW_cdot which kernel are you using?
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  • [17:25:18] <russ> PaulW_cdot, do you have a quiet in there somewhere?
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  • [17:42:46] <GeneralStupid> can anyone tell me how to read the temperature sensors the beagle board has ?
  • [17:43:54] <PaulW_cdot> woglinde_, using kernel 2.6.29
  • [17:44:02] <PaulW_cdot> russ, no quiet
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  • [17:58:42] <PaulW_cdot> my bootcmd - bootcmd=setenv bootargs console=${console} root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=10 rootfstype=ext3 ro; mmc init;fatload mmc 0 0x80300000 uImage;bootm 0x80300000
  • [17:59:00] <PaulW_cdot> and - console=ttyS2,115200n8
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  • [18:04:32] <geanchu> Hi everyone
  • [18:04:49] <geanchu> has anyone worked with rowboat distro?
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  • [18:05:18] <Jefro> geanchu: I have gotten it working to the point of being able to demo at a conference
  • [18:05:41] <geanchu> nice...I'm having some really weird problems...
  • [18:05:53] <Jefro> is this on a rev C4 board or xM?
  • [18:06:18] <geanchu> C3
  • [18:06:45] <geanchu> I coudn't even boot with the prebuild images and rootfs...
  • [18:07:23] <geanchu> I already reflashed the beagle...I done all the setenv, and yet I cannot boot
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  • [18:07:33] <Jefro> I found that setting up the card was the most tricky part. It took me several tries, as the script died unexpectedly (my host runs ubuntu 8.10). I believe I had to update a library in order to make it work.
  • [18:08:18] <Jefro> but in any case, make sure the card is set up exactly as described in the docs. have you tried booting using the user button to make sure you are booting from the card and not nand?
  • [18:08:31] <geanchu> yep
  • [18:09:05] <geanchu> maybe the problem is with the sdcard, but the weird thing is that my images from embinux work just fine
  • [18:09:10] <Jefro> hmm.. (it has been several months since I did this, trying to remember sequence)
  • [18:09:43] <geanchu> do you remember which library you had to update?
  • [18:09:53] <Jefro> it was a udev library I think
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  • [18:10:11] <Jefro> I was having trouble mounting the card after formatting because my udev was ancient
  • [18:10:29] <Jefro> Am I remembering correctly that the rowboat distro has a script that sets up the card for you? I know ubuntu does...
  • [18:10:34] <_av500_> geanchu: define "cannot boot"
  • [18:11:05] <geanchu> every time I try to boot, it loads the kernel, but when it tries to make the rootfs, on my ext3 partition, it dies
  • [18:11:35] <Jefro> mmm, I bet you are working with eclair - I did it with android 1.5, the eclair port wasn't available at the time
  • [18:11:49] <geanchu> just keep showing pid dying, and heaps and other stuff from the dying tasks...
  • [18:12:33] <geanchu> and after taht, if I try to check the sd on my pc, the ext3 partition is destroyed... and I have to reformat the sd
  • [18:12:42] <Jefro> geanchu - does it show a kernel panic from not being able to mount ext3? the kernel may not be able to find the second partition on the card. I have been there with several distros.
  • [18:12:43] <geanchu> yes...its eclair...
  • [18:13:10] <_av500_> geanchu: you might be better off talking to the rowboat ppl directly
  • [18:13:24] <Jefro> aha, sounds like it. that sounds like an issue with the port. perhaps the args are not exactly correct, or perhaps they are correct for C4 but not C3.
  • [18:13:38] <geanchu> it shows the kernel panic when I try to boot for the second time, because it cannot recognize the partition as any type...
  • [18:13:58] <_av500_> geanchu: in fact, you can boot
  • [18:14:12] <_av500_> what you have now is a specific issue with that android build
  • [18:14:17] <_av500_> not much we can do
  • [18:14:25] <Jefro> I agree with _av500_, you'll get there faster by talking to the folks who did it. my guess is that someone has seen this before.
  • [18:15:24] <geanchu> I tried the rowboat channel, but it is as empty as it can be, apparently...
  • [18:16:09] <geanchu> in the forums I found no answer either...
  • [18:16:43] <_av500_> thats a clear answer to me
  • [18:17:04] <_av500_> its dead
  • [18:17:23] <koen> forums as in e2e.ti.com?
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  • [18:18:11] <geanchu> on the google group rowboat...
  • [18:18:59] <geanchu> so, the thing is that something on the rowboat distro is incompatible with my C3...is that it?
  • [18:19:30] <Jefro> actually I think there is something in the distro that is incompatible with itself, if it is mangling the rootfs
  • [18:19:43] <Jefro> the kernel is bootstrapping, but not getting to userland
  • [18:19:56] <geanchu> maybe the problem is with the bootargs...
  • [18:21:10] <geanchu> the prebuild image I'm using has libEGL implemented, so I tryed two bootargs....but with the ame result
  • [18:21:13] <Jefro> could be
  • [18:21:27] <geanchu> in one bootarg I let a window of memory for the dsp
  • [18:21:35] <geanchu> in the other i didn't...
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  • [18:21:42] <geanchu> but the result was the same
  • [18:21:59] <Jefro> that shouldn't affect the rootfs. can you post the bootargs line?
  • [18:22:01] <Jefro> there is another android port, BTW
  • [18:22:53] <geanchu> I was working with embinux...but Im having trouble getting the OpenGL by DSP
  • [18:23:39] <woglinde_> opengl by dsp?
  • [18:23:52] <_koen_> that exists
  • [18:24:01] <_koen_> but I only know of dm6446 support
  • [18:24:13] <geanchu> my bootarg is something like: mem=128M androidboot.console=ttyS2 console=ttyS2,115200n8 rootfs=/dev/mmcblk0p2 init=/init rootwait rw
  • [18:24:18] <_koen_> woglinde_: basically mesa running on the dsp
  • [18:24:27] <woglinde_> koen sure sure
  • [18:24:39] <woglinde_> but when I have a sgx I wouldnt do gl by dsp
  • [18:25:11] <_koen_> I would
  • [18:25:18] <_koen_> since there are no public gl drivers
  • [18:25:24] <_koen_> only gles :(
  • [18:25:41] <Jefro> geanchu - if you really want android, I suggest trying http://coredruids.org/ - but if you want an actual useful full distro on the Beagle, I highly suggest Angstrom instead
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  • [18:26:28] <geanchu> the thing is, I was working with embinux, and already have a lot of stuff implemented...
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  • [18:36:40] <geanchu> well...thanks everyone...I'm gonna some other stuff...
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  • [18:49:03] <koen> topfs2: fwiw, your branch is 110 commits big
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  • [19:12:13] <sakoman> _koen_: does the 4.00.00.01 sgx release work with recent linux-omap kernels?
  • [19:12:20] <sakoman> or still only psp?
  • [19:13:19] <koen> not sure
  • [19:13:30] <koen> I have a .36rc6 here, haven't tried building sgx against it
  • [19:13:51] <koen> it theory it should, since netra is on a newer kernel
  • [19:14:09] <koen> sakoman: if it doesn't I'll add a patch to change the omap_rev to something that went upstream
  • [19:15:09] <sakoman> koen: I'll let you know if it breaks for me
  • [19:15:56] <koen> sakoman: I'm currently making a hybrid out of roberts and your patches for .36rc to get a wl1271 working
  • [19:16:09] <koen> (don't have the hw yet, still forward porting patches)
  • [19:16:51] <sakoman> koen: I have hw, it just doesn't work with the upstream wl1271 driver
  • [19:17:51] <koen> sdio, spi, something else?
  • [19:17:58] <sakoman> koen: sdio
  • [19:18:18] <koen> "sdio"
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  • [19:40:01] <ds2> hmmm
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  • [19:49:54] <lauwe> anyone have experience with SPI on the beagle ?
  • [19:50:45] <koen> my ethernet is attached to it, but prpplague took care of making a complete board :)
  • [19:53:05] <lauwe> I am trying to get a RTC (DS3234) to work with it... but failing so far
  • [19:54:07] <lauwe> I have spi working through spidev, but somehow when i try the DS3234 driver that comes with the kernel, nothing happens on the clk-pin
  • [19:54:30] <koen> so clocks and muxing should be ok
  • [19:55:02] <lauwe> yep, when I use spidev (it's bus 3, chipselect 1 btw) it works fine
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  • [20:08:08] <lauwe> and the strange thing is... chip-select and data-out seem to work quite ok
  • [20:09:10] <topfs2> koen, yeah? not sure if its positive or not :)
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  • [23:02:53] <djlewis> emeb: didn't go into work today, nothing to do there, so I cleaned the 18" scope :)
  • [23:03:18] <emeb> bright & shiny now?
  • [23:03:40] <djlewis> yep, it ought to be good for another magnitude ;)
  • [23:04:24] <djlewis> kinda thinking on a weekend trip to SW Ar for a annual star party where the skies
  • [23:04:32] <djlewis> are a bit darkker than mine,
  • [23:04:46] <emeb> sounds like a find road trip
  • [23:04:54] <emeb> s/find/fun/
  • [23:05:06] <djlewis> s/find/fine
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  • [23:06:56] <djlewis> some of our astro club are off to Okie-Tex this week. I couldn't arrange for that.
  • [23:07:41] <emeb> Head out to W. Tx the the McDonald obs. - wide open skies & no civilization out there...
  • [23:07:57] <djlewis> I can stuff two days of dog food in the auto feeder and my canines can care for themselves for a couple to three days.
  • [23:08:19] <emeb> yep - got one of that for the kitties too. Handy for 3-day weekends
  • [23:08:24] <djlewis> One of our club members and his dad headed out that way this week toting his 24"
  • [23:09:57] <sklnd> emeb: enjoy, i love that part of texas
  • [23:10:10] <sklnd> oh nm, thought you were going out there. can't read.
  • [23:11:34] <djlewis> hmmm, harddrive making wavering high pitched noise
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  • [23:16:04] <emeb> sklnd: Not now - been through there a few times. 80MPH speed limits!
  • [23:16:23] <emeb> djlewis: bearings?
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  • [23:16:52] <djlewis> hehee, yep, the teflon alt and az bearings
  • [23:17:15] <djlewis> cleaned and waxed them
  • [23:17:40] <djlewis> this scope has a pinky finger movement reputation.
  • [23:18:20] <djlewis> I've used others same size and even smaller that are stiff and jerky and difficult to aim.
  • [23:21:37] <djlewis> the smoothness is even more important for the GOTO and tracking system
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  • [23:27:30] <emeb> yep - stick/slip is no good for fine adjustments. Exacerbates wobbles too.
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