• [00:00:29] <_bruce> i am connected to the bboard-xm through serialport, whenever i have the "test" microsd that comes with the package, i can see the nice boot up message like
  • [00:00:37] <_bruce> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss (Aug 19 2010 - 02:49:27)
  • [00:00:37] <_bruce> Beagle xM Rev A
  • [00:00:38] <_bruce> Reading boot sector
  • [00:00:39] <_bruce> ...
  • [00:00:58] <_bruce> however, if i eject it and reset the board, i dont see that message. is that normal?
  • [00:01:29] <ben_kludged> me thanks it is time to RTFM....
  • [00:02:17] <_bruce> i did read the wiki and it does not really explain this process
  • [00:02:33] <_bruce> looks like it tries to read MLO which si teh xloader from the microsd card
  • [00:03:19] <ben_kludged> click on all the links you can find,,, and become familiar with whats goin on
  • [00:03:33] <killring> bruce: afaik, a null modem cable doesn't work with the -xm, only the regular bb
  • [00:04:23] <ben_kludged> if that is a change to the pins on the xm,, it is good to know...
  • [00:04:36] <ben_kludged> haint been there yet
  • [00:06:08] <_bruce> killring: i guess that could not make sense because the nullmodem cable i made did not work, but this standard serial->usb one did
  • [00:06:37] <killring> a standard serial cable is *not* a null modem cable
  • [00:07:02] <_bruce> i emant to say "could make sense" not "could not"
  • [00:07:10] <_bruce> horrible typo
  • [00:07:22] <killring> lol... wasn't clear from the wording so just wanted to make sure ;-)
  • [00:07:29] <_bruce> hehehe, yea. my bad
  • [00:11:31] <ben_kludged> that appears as if the designers, made the beatlexm a dte instead of a dce device,,,, that terminolgy is still brain fog,,, attenuated by budweiser....
  • [00:14:04] <_bruce> when the board bootsup, the first thing it does is jump to MLO, i loaded MLO into a disassembler and noticed some of the offsets are a bit off. how does the system map MLO? i am guessing the base offset is 0x40200000 but not sure.
  • [00:15:55] <killring> beats me... I'm still working on configuring mine :-)
  • [00:16:31] <killring> I haven't even begun to dig into the boot up process beyond boot scripts
  • [00:17:49] <ben_kludged> thanks me needs to get an xm,,,, i just got my beagle 6 weeks ago,,, almost gots the hawkboard instead,,, but didnt see 'nuff support,,, was lookin for composit video in,,,, just may have to get me an xm mow
  • [00:18:02] <_bruce> hehe, i am a complete noob to this. i just got tired of trying to go through the wiki to find info (it is down atm?), so i thought it'd just spend my time loking at the files on test card.
  • [00:18:40] <ben_kludged> elinix.org is "changin servers" as i understand
  • [00:18:55] <killring> ben: the xm isn't too different from what you've already got... just more of it
  • [00:19:19] <_bruce> coming from a software-only background, this is a big hurdle for me. i can read ARM asembly and can write basic drivers, but cannot figure out this stuff :(
  • [00:20:02] <killring> why do you care about the boot sequence? just treat it like a linux box which is what it is
  • [00:20:27] <ben_kludged> this babybeagle is good nuff for rite now to program the gpio pins to pan and tilt the servo motors for the webcam,,,, but would really prefer to do composit video
  • [00:21:05] <killring> ah, yeah if you're doing hardware add-ons, I can see why the -xm would be more appealing
  • [00:21:58] <_bruce> killring: i dont care about the boot sequence, but right now i dont know how to load up a full distrubtion with a compiler + toolchain so i can experiment with it
  • [00:22:15] <killring> are you running the validation or demo image?
  • [00:22:17] <_bruce> out of boredom, i just looked at the boot loader
  • [00:22:22] <_bruce> i am running the validation image
  • [00:22:31] <_bruce> (the one that comes with the board)
  • [00:22:49] <killring> get the demo image asap. you can't do much with validation as it's only to verify that the board is working properly
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  • [00:23:20] <_bruce> does the demoimage come with a compiler/assembler/linker/libaries?
  • [00:23:34] <_bruce> and where do i get the demoimg from
  • [00:23:39] <ben_kludged> i be puttin in a radio shak truk,,,, wifi / 2.4 gig,,,, stearing/throttle/forward/back,,,, camera pan/tilt... somethin to chase the cats around the parkin lot
  • [00:23:48] <killring> afaik you can load them into the demo image
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  • [00:24:01] <killring> the validation image can't do much beyond... validation
  • [00:25:01] <_bruce> ben_kludged: that is cool
  • [00:25:42] <ben_kludged> speaker to emit either dog markin,, or ,,, wolf whistle,,, dependin upon which feline i chase
  • [00:25:57] <djlewis> _bruce: you moght want to read the BBSRM for XM board
  • [00:26:05] <killring> the link I have for the demo image is at http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://beagleboard-validation.s3.amazonaws.com/deploy/201008201549/sd/beagleboard-validation-201008201549.img.gz&usg=AFQjCNEc-zW_ZhHO19GoWmdPis0GObvh7A
  • [00:26:16] <djlewis> Oh not there
  • [00:26:32] * _bruce googles for bbsrm
  • [00:26:38] <killring> that's the funky link that google groups gives me
  • [00:26:43] * killring hates google groups
  • [00:26:47] <djlewis> its all linked off the beagleboard.org site
  • [00:27:56] <killring> the trick is to find it... I find the bb site a pain to navigate
  • [00:28:05] <djlewis> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [00:28:59] <ben_kludged> thats where i got my demo for the baby beagle,,,, same image for xm?
  • [00:29:27] <djlewis> and more hand holding ;) http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design
  • [00:30:06] <djlewis> i admit that last one is a bit off the beaten path.
  • [00:30:16] <ben_kludged> hmmm,,, thanks
  • [00:30:27] <djlewis> I want you fellows to have a good time :)
  • [00:31:10] <killring> djlewis: I don't see the current demo image there
  • [00:31:36] <ben_kludged> seems like the xm,,,, needs to be revised a couple of levels before it receives better recognition than the hawk
  • [00:31:40] <djlewis> at the first link
  • [00:32:05] <killring> maybe I'm blind... I don't see it
  • [00:32:18] <djlewis> what are you looking for?
  • [00:33:01] <killring> the latest demo image... what I was suggesting bruce look at
  • [00:33:11] <_bruce> yea, downloaded bbsrm_latest.pdf. i will read through this
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  • [00:34:03] <djlewis> it was my impression jkridner buoilt up a latest and shipped with the XM
  • [00:34:11] <killring> bruce: wrong manual... you want bb_xm_srm_a2_01.pdf
  • [00:34:44] <killring> djlewis: that's what the link I posted was for... but google groups mangled it
  • [00:34:48] <killring> it's hosted on aws
  • [00:35:13] <_bruce> yea, i am reading it now ;]
  • [00:35:32] <killring> bbsrm_latest is a different document
  • [00:35:38] <killring> that's for the original bb
  • [00:35:47] <_bruce> yes
  • [00:35:56] <killring> you have an -xm, correct?
  • [00:36:00] <_bruce> correct
  • [00:36:13] <killring> so why would you want to read the wrong manual?
  • [00:36:30] * killring could be missing something here
  • [00:36:45] <_bruce> i am skimming through the bbxm srm now
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  • [00:36:52] <killring> ah, ok
  • [00:37:04] <ben_kludged> there is talk that the composit video on the xm is fuzzy,,,, any idea which xm rev will have that fingered out....
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  • [00:37:11] <djlewis> killring: you saying the link i poted is incorrect?
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  • [00:37:32] <killring> djlewis: it appears to be
  • [00:38:02] <djlewis> killring: what are you suggesting ?
  • [00:39:08] <killring> jkirdner is pointing people to the different, s3 hosted images
  • [00:39:20] <_bruce> for those who ar einterested, teh bb-xm srm is at: http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/design/xM-A/BB_xM_SRM_A2_01.pdf
  • [00:39:31] <djlewis> idd
  • [00:39:35] <djlewis> odd
  • [00:41:01] <djlewis> i dont have a xm but i thought I was current with the info.
  • [00:41:38] <killring> nope... I expect there will be a lot of questions from new bb users will be related to inconsistent and conflicting docs and pointers
  • [00:42:08] <killring> the -xm images (validation and demo) do not work as the bb images are documented
  • [00:42:16] <djlewis> BB_xM_SRM_A2_01.pdf i slinked off the link I gave
  • [00:42:30] <_bruce> "
  • [00:42:31] <_bruce> A USB to Serial cable can be plugged directly
  • [00:42:31] <_bruce> into the Beagle. No null modem cable is required. A standard male to female straight
  • [00:42:34] <_bruce> DB9 cable may also be used.
  • [00:42:37] <_bruce> "
  • [00:42:38] <_bruce> killring: you were spot on earlier :)
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  • [00:43:00] <killring> it happens from time to time :-)
  • [00:43:01] <_bruce> fuck, i made a male->female nullmodem cable for nothing :(
  • [00:43:15] <killring> lol... no biggie, it happens
  • [00:43:28] <djlewis> _bruce: get you a older BB and it sont be for nothing ;)
  • [00:43:46] <killring> you should have seen the cabling mess I had trying to get a serial connection to the -xm
  • [00:43:51] <killring> it was hilarious
  • [00:44:20] <ben_kludged> so the beaglexm serial pinout has been changed from dce to dte
  • [00:44:25] <killring> yep
  • [00:44:37] * djlewis uses a usb2serial - null modem (25') to IDC header and the beagle is within 2' of PC
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  • [00:45:18] <killring> I'd bet that a lot of changes like that to the -xm were designed to eliminate some of the newbie questions/problems with the original board
  • [00:45:19] <djlewis> I only need serial port when trying new bootups
  • [00:45:37] <_bruce> thanks djlewis and killring. this SRM is actually quite useful and answers a lot of my newbie questions. it has a lot of electrical diagrams that ido not undersatnd, but that is ok. it explains the reset and user buttons ;]
  • [00:46:01] <ben_kludged> yeah,,, now i can get rid of my 25' cable for the 6" location
  • [00:46:28] <djlewis> yea
  • [00:46:29] <killring> yeah, it's a dense document with a lot of chip level detail you don't need but there's a lot of very relevant info re: cabling, ports, etc.
  • [00:47:07] <killring> I'd actually love to see a similar type of document that covered the software side of things
  • [00:47:10] <ben_kludged> but the composite video is still fuzzy,,, is that a hardware or software/firmware fix?
  • [00:47:30] <_bruce> yes, i would like such a document. i will most likely document the software stuff as i learn
  • [00:48:00] <djlewis> ben_kludged: you referring to the BB composite out?
  • [00:48:11] <killring> bruce: doing the same here... I've got a rats nest of links and notes going
  • [00:48:18] <ben_kludged> haint that composite video in?
  • [00:49:01] <djlewis> i am not aware of composite in on beagleboards
  • [00:49:10] <ben_kludged> mayhaps i misread the rtfm on xm,,, but there is somethin there bout the fuzziness of some kind of composit
  • [00:49:30] <djlewis> the svideo out can be used for comp out
  • [00:49:34] <ben_kludged> thought it was nput
  • [00:49:37] <ben_kludged> input
  • [00:49:59] <ben_kludged> or should i say "camera in"
  • [00:50:03] <djlewis> ben_kludged: you will need a usb composite solution
  • [00:50:05] <killring> the only video ports on the -xm are dvi and s-video outputs
  • [00:50:29] <ben_kludged> what is the camera header on the xm?
  • [00:50:32] <killring> ah, camera in requires a daughter card that I don't have so can't speak re: fuzziness
  • [00:50:36] <_bruce> another question, when people develop the code in MLO and uboot, how do they debug those since they are loaded before the kernel?
  • [00:50:38] <djlewis> for LeopardBoard
  • [00:50:56] <ben_kludged> ah
  • [00:51:00] <ben_kludged> addon
  • [00:51:20] <killring> there are a few different modules so it could be just a specific one... dunno
  • [00:51:47] <djlewis> bottom end Leopardboard is all that is tested
  • [00:51:58] <ben_kludged> my thanks i will stay with webcam solution to the baby beagle.... until there is a composit video input as on the hawk
  • [00:52:45] <killring> check the expansion header docs to see if that will even be possible on the -xm
  • [00:52:53] <djlewis> the Leopardboard solution should offer closer to realtime video in higher rez's
  • [00:53:42] <djlewis> seems I saw a leopardboard composite in for the header, I may be mistaken
  • [00:54:38] <ben_kludged> sounds good,,, beaglexx has so much slick stuffs,,,, and c4 which i gots seems like i gots the best. only have it for 6 weeks and i gots gpio runnin pwm servos, and stepper motors
  • [00:54:48] <killring> I see cam_ana so you're probably right
  • [00:55:27] <djlewis> ben_kludged: you gonna publish your stuff later on? I too am into robotics
  • [00:55:42] <ben_kludged> ya'll can count on it
  • [00:56:03] <djlewis> you can see my stuff from this link http://users.tcworks.net/~djlewis/
  • [00:56:27] <ben_kludged> fact... car , beagle, will be runnin apache,,, and you can contro from where ever you are
  • [00:57:08] <ben_kludged> jus login and drive the feline chaser
  • [00:57:09] <djlewis> sounds similar to the Surveyor using java
  • [00:58:04] <djlewis> only big prob is 1) it has to be tough and 2) someone has to change the batteries often
  • [00:58:21] <djlewis> for your remote use
  • [00:58:21] <ben_kludged> web joystick will be in java,,, me thanks,, done some prelim investigation on that,,, mayhaps perl tcl to simulate joystick thru web
  • [00:58:58] <ben_kludged> power is an issue ill deal with after i gets it workin
  • [00:59:05] <djlewis> ben_kludged: you mentioned pan/tilt, have you tested both with beagle?
  • [00:59:14] <ben_kludged> pwm
  • [00:59:19] <ben_kludged> yep
  • [00:59:30] <ben_kludged> servos work great
  • [00:59:55] <djlewis> I am using a commercial solution and servos
  • [00:59:56] <killring> oh great, now you guys are giving me ideas for more expensive projects ;-)
  • [01:00:18] <djlewis> and several input sensors
  • [01:00:21] <djlewis> IR and Sonar
  • [01:00:43] <ben_kludged> in fact,,, i can control servos on bb from my buntu host now thru udf port proto
  • [01:00:44] <djlewis> My little bot drives itself around pretty well autonomously
  • [01:01:08] <ben_kludged> udp
  • [01:01:14] <djlewis> cool
  • [01:01:50] <djlewis> I use XBee for comm to bot
  • [01:02:02] <ben_kludged> but im still workin on apache web, wifi, and vnc with a large display,,, hate workin thru command line
  • [01:02:24] <djlewis> yep
  • [01:02:29] <ben_kludged> and ether cable
  • [01:03:49] <djlewis> yep, for video streaming you need fast thruput
  • [01:04:10] <ben_kludged> but me honly a newbee,,, and gots this runnin so far,,, wont take long,,,, did a log of embedded stuffs 15 years ago,,, z80, h8510,,, spread sprectrum proxim radios,,, makin shelf labels for grocery stores
  • [01:05:06] <djlewis> i'm trying to update my lab. some new test equipment and a better layout
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  • [01:06:27] <_bruce> ahhh, after mre reading
  • [01:06:31] <ben_kludged> yeah,,, be looin at the gstream,,, and motion,,, motion will signal me at the control that there is a feline available,,, then move to gstream,,, or somethin,,, still makin my buntu host a bb/oe/bitbake thang,,, and ran outta disk space buildin images i want
  • [01:06:40] <_bruce> i get it now
  • [01:07:22] <killring> bruce: get what?
  • [01:07:25] <_bruce> the first two DWORDs in MLO is the size and address where to map the loader at
  • [01:07:50] <killring> ah
  • [01:08:04] <ben_kludged> and of the first two the last is the first
  • [01:08:22] <_bruce> now my disassembly makes a bit more sense
  • [01:09:20] <ben_kludged> hey ya'll,,,, google multiflow
  • [01:10:44] <_bruce> ROM:40200800 dword_40200800 DCD 0x5EE0
  • [01:10:44] <_bruce> ROM:40200804 DCD 0x40200800
  • [01:10:45] <_bruce> ROM:40200808 loc_40200808
  • [01:10:45] <_bruce> ROM:40200808 B sub_40200858
  • [01:10:45] <_bruce> ROM:4020080C loc_4020080C
  • [01:10:47] <_bruce> ROM:4020080C LDR PC, =loc_40200960
  • [01:10:50] <_bruce> ...
  • [01:10:52] <_bruce> OM:40200858 sub_40200858
  • [01:10:55] <_bruce> ROM:40200858 MRS R0, CPSR
  • [01:10:57] <_bruce> ROM:4020085C BIC R0, R0, #0x1F
  • [01:11:00] <_bruce> ROM:40200860 ORR R0, R0, #0xD3
  • [01:11:03] <_bruce> now that makes sense
  • [01:11:09] <djlewis> what happened to pastebin?
  • [01:11:17] <_bruce> shit, my bad. did not meant o flood
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  • [01:11:50] <rambo2_981_> can anyone help with gpio access via /sys?
  • [01:12:16] <prpplague^2> rambo2_981_, there are half a dozen howtos for that
  • [01:12:30] <rambo2_981_> i've tried every one
  • [01:12:33] <rambo2_981_> i can light the leds
  • [01:12:38] <rambo2_981_> i cannot toggle any of the gpios
  • [01:12:44] <rambo2_981_> all i get is 1.8V on a meter
  • [01:13:12] <ben_kludged> use low power leds
  • [01:13:18] <rambo2_981_> i am using a meter
  • [01:13:28] <prpplague^2> most likely you don't have the gpio's properly muxed
  • [01:13:30] <rambo2_981_> it never goes to 0v only 1.8v which means it is always pegged high
  • [01:13:35] <ben_kludged> that'll work,, and so will low power leds
  • [01:13:44] <rambo2_981_> prpplague how does one mux the gpios via /sys?
  • [01:14:22] <prpplague^2> currently the easiest way is to have it done via the x-loader
  • [01:14:34] <prpplague^2> you might try the demo images for the Trainer board
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  • [01:15:16] <rambo2_981_> i don't understand why /sys cannot, with either angstrom or ubuntu, access gpios other than the leds; is there something in uboot or something else in /sys that needs to be done?
  • [01:15:30] <ben_kludged> gpio,,, check out http://chrisd.info/beagleRC/
  • [01:17:15] <ben_kludged> or google beagleboard gpio test userbutton leds
  • [01:18:53] <ben_kludged> they are doin some slick stuff there,, haint sure how it alll works,,, but i will next week
  • [01:19:52] <rambo2_981_> so ben, as i look at the code am i to assume that the anstrom distro for h/w rev c4 doesn't have the mux pins configured completely, so even tho /sys will create a, e.g., 130 directory when gpio 130 is "exported", it cannot be modified because of the mux issue?
  • [01:20:05] <rambo2_981_> the code at the chrisd.info site you supplied
  • [01:21:49] <ben_kludged> rambo,,, i can only answer your concerns with a .... definately maybe,,, the onboard/pushbutton may be a help tryin to finger it out
  • [01:22:49] <rambo2_981_> this is really irritating; i can write an entire gpio kernel mode driver, but why would anyone release a linux distro for a h/w platform with all the h/w capabilities not accessible?
  • [01:23:28] <djlewis> the reason is on the beagleboard site
  • [01:23:30] <ben_kludged> appears you can cat the gpio whatever,,, and echo > none to it and,,,, then muck with it
  • [01:23:58] <djlewis> It is a carrot for others to plant more seed :)
  • [01:24:21] <rambo2_981_> i suggested to my customer that they buy technologic systems' boards; i will again resuggest
  • [01:24:30] <ben_kludged> every time i do somethin ,,, i look for blue smoke and sparks
  • [01:25:10] <ben_kludged> or is it sparks and blue smoke
  • [01:25:17] <djlewis> rambo2_981_: you might look at arduino if you want it all done for you
  • [01:25:27] <ben_kludged> that is an addon
  • [01:25:33] <ben_kludged> and a pic
  • [01:25:37] <djlewis> not a powerful thing but can be played with out of the bos
  • [01:25:40] <ben_kludged> and more to muck with
  • [01:25:45] <djlewis> box
  • [01:26:39] <ben_kludged> with some imiganation,, beagle can do all an arduino can do and then some
  • [01:26:46] <djlewis> but do try and find a dev hardware / software environment with the capabilities og the BB for the low cost.
  • [01:26:58] <prpplague^2> rambo2_981_, with so many possible combinationations of usage, how can someone release a distro specific to the configuration you want?
  • [01:27:00] <djlewis> s/og/of
  • [01:27:26] <prpplague^2> rambo2_981_, like i said, you might try the demo images for the trainer board, or even get a trainer board
  • [01:27:39] <ben_kludged> ~/og/of
  • [01:28:33] <killring> I've never understood the arduino vs. beagleboard thing... I now have and use both
  • [01:28:41] <killring> two different devices for different purposes
  • [01:28:47] <ben_kludged> ya just kinda gots to google yer way till ya find somethin that you thank will come close to what u want to do and them muck wit it
  • [01:29:02] <djlewis> there is no versus, they are in totally different leagues
  • [01:29:15] <ben_kludged> here, here,,,,, i concur
  • [01:29:16] <killring> yep and for different purposes
  • [01:29:29] <prpplague^2> killring, yea completely different mindsets
  • [01:29:30] <ben_kludged> thatswhatimtalkinbout
  • [01:29:55] <killring> there are things I'd do with an avr that I wouldn't dream of on arm and vice versa
  • [01:29:57] <ben_kludged> ya gots a beagle,,, ya shouldnt need anythin' else
  • [01:30:00] <djlewis> BB is here for creative people, arduino is there for ....
  • [01:30:07] <killring> they are complementary devices imo
  • [01:30:22] <djlewis> they have their ever so humble purposes
  • [01:31:02] <prpplague^2> djlewis, hehe i think the arduino people would say the opposite
  • [01:31:05] <djlewis> heck, even the Trainer bd has one on it
  • [01:31:13] <buZz> both are just tools
  • [01:31:22] <buZz> to do different things
  • [01:31:33] <killring> yep
  • [01:31:36] <djlewis> yep
  • [01:31:44] <ben_kludged> you have arduino,,, and i cant do somethin very simple,,,, why allow a marrage,,, to beagle,,, when beagle would do the same,,, with a little imagination
  • [01:31:49] <killring> I love 'em both :-)
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  • [01:32:19] <ben_kludged> later
  • [01:32:23] <djlewis> later
  • [01:32:43] <ben_kludged> so much for that
  • [01:32:57] <djlewis> what, ya cant leave
  • [01:33:20] <djlewis> oh, the other guy
  • [01:33:28] <ben_kludged> i have investigated the arduino, for beagle,,, and the only thing i found was the arduinomotocontroller,,, and beagle can do that to
  • [01:33:48] <killring> for many applications, beagle is overkill
  • [01:33:58] <ben_kludged> without external hardware
  • [01:33:59] <djlewis> I am presently using the robotics serializer for bot control
  • [01:34:18] <djlewis> to relieve cpu on BB
  • [01:34:21] <ben_kludged> that is a horse of a different color
  • [01:34:27] <buZz> there are not many things a 2$ processor can do that a 100$ processor cant
  • [01:34:39] <djlewis> yep
  • [01:34:50] <buZz> besides being a lot cheaper
  • [01:35:03] <ben_kludged> yes sir,,, that is the bottom line
  • [01:35:30] <killring> don't forget power consumption. x86 is to arm as arm is to avr
  • [01:35:55] <djlewis> 2 watts arm is not so bad
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  • [01:36:15] <killring> until you have an application that requires milliwatts :-)
  • [01:36:17] <djlewis> but I can see the benefit for better in some cases
  • [01:36:52] * prpplague^2 has spent alot of time over the last 2 years trying to understand the arduino and hobby markets
  • [01:36:56] <killring> my current plan is to have the bb as the brains controlling an armada of avr devices around the house
  • [01:37:23] <ben_kludged> rite now i have been in the unix/admin for over 10 years,,,, previously i was in the embedded arena,,,, i miss that,,, there fore my contract was up,,, and i bought a beagle,,,, fingered that the embedded/oe/android would look good on my reseme,,, so i took 4 months off to putz with beagle
  • [01:37:44] <prpplague^2> if we can get some of the wiring/process libs to run under linux, i think alot of the arduino people can easily move to more complex OS environments like the beagle
  • [01:37:45] <djlewis> prpplague: seemes iirc the arduino was originally designed for artists
  • [01:37:57] <djlewis> THen hobbyists found it and made it more
  • [01:38:20] <prpplague^2> djlewis, indeed, it is a more intuitive enviroment for non-programmers
  • [01:38:31] <djlewis> then it became a following like the subaru
  • [01:38:33] <ben_kludged> arduino is for specific tasks,,, vs,,, beagle is for many specific
  • [01:38:45] <djlewis> or apple
  • [01:38:52] <djlewis> either ya want it or you dont
  • [01:38:57] <buZz> i'm building a midi instrument on an arduino
  • [01:39:02] <prpplague^2> i've done some initial tests of running wiring/process under linux, its not that difficuly
  • [01:39:05] <djlewis> it becamne a fashion statement in a way
  • [01:39:11] <ben_kludged> specific
  • [01:39:20] <killring> djlewis: I don't think that's what it's about
  • [01:39:23] <buZz> but thinking of running software synths / video servers to control from it on the igepv2
  • [01:39:30] <djlewis> not anymore
  • [01:39:40] <prpplague^2> it is all a mind set
  • [01:40:14] <killring> I can google arduino + pretty much any hardware device I can think of and usually find a reasonably document project based on that
  • [01:40:18] <djlewis> its cheap, easy and quick
  • [01:40:22] <prpplague^2> i designed the hammer board to be a more robust STAMP chip, but it never took off like the arduino
  • [01:40:29] <ben_kludged> and a bot in the parkin lot chasin felines soundin either bark, bark or wolf whistle
  • [01:40:36] <prpplague^2> hehe
  • [01:40:41] <killring> that's huge for someone who's not a hard core hardware hacker
  • [01:40:48] <prpplague^2> exactly
  • [01:41:32] <djlewis> prpplagueyou should have made another arduino with a similar name. how many are there?
  • [01:41:42] <ben_kludged> gots half of it done.... the servos/motor controllers,,, got webcam somewhat,,, and apache interface somewhat
  • [01:41:45] <prpplague^2> djlewis, ??
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  • [01:42:12] <killring> the prplaguino ?
  • [01:42:18] <prpplague^2> hehe
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  • [01:42:46] <prpplague^2> i really thought the hammer would be a good median between something like the beagle and the avr's
  • [01:42:52] <buZz> make it shield compatible and they will come ;)
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  • [01:43:04] <djlewis> he did that for the BB
  • [01:43:29] <prpplague^2> buZz, indeed i am actually planning a re-introduction of the hammer with some shield compatible options
  • [01:44:02] * djlewis is heading out to check the nite sky
  • [01:44:02] <buZz> :) sweet
  • [01:44:49] <killring> do any of the addon boards for the bb support level-shifted through hole parts?
  • [01:45:04] <prpplague^2> *cough* trainer
  • [01:45:14] * buZz is gonne install dev packages on his newly re-installed eee (with puppeee, some puppylinux remix)
  • [01:46:03] <ben_kludged> shucks guys,,, mommy tells me i gots ta go to bed,,,, dang
  • [01:46:09] <_bruce> where can i find the "source" for MLO? it'd be nice to see the annotation/comments
  • [01:46:14] <killring> hmm... I might have to pick one of those up
  • [01:46:28] <prpplague^2> killring: http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16149&cat=0&page=1&featured
  • [01:46:44] <prpplague^2> killring: full disclosure, i designed the trainer
  • [01:46:52] <killring> cool
  • [01:46:59] <_bruce> nevermind, found it
  • [01:47:08] <_bruce> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list
  • [01:47:38] <killring> I think I've run across it before but only in passing as I'm fairly entrenched in avr devices for smaller projects
  • [01:47:51] <ben_kludged> before i go,,,google multiflow,,,, 1kbit instruction set,,, check it out
  • [01:47:54] <ben_kludged> later
  • [01:48:00] <killring> but I can see myself wanting to do some larger h/w/ projects with the bb
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  • [01:50:01] <prpplague^2> killring: trainer is easy to do combo's of hardware i/o and avr
  • [01:50:18] <prpplague^2> killring: all level shifted to atleast 3.3v
  • [01:50:58] <killring> 3.3v is far more useable than 1.8 (to me at least :-)
  • [01:51:16] <prpplague^2> yea
  • [01:51:31] <_bruce> http://gitorious.org/x-load-omap3/mainline/blobs/master/cpu/omap3/start.S = code for MLO
  • [01:51:47] <_bruce> blah, time to sleep now
  • [01:52:01] <_bruce> thank you for pointing me in the right direction killring and djlewis
  • [01:52:03] <_bruce> appreciate it
  • [01:52:06] <_bruce> good night
  • [01:52:10] <_bruce> or morning
  • [01:52:16] <killring> np and g'night bruce
  • [01:53:14] <killring> are the 4 ic's at the bottom of the trainer the level shifters?
  • [01:58:45] <prpplague^2> yea
  • [01:59:23] <killring> cool... thanks for the pointer. I'll look at picking one up when I'm ready for more ambitious hardware projects
  • [01:59:33] * killring curses his hardware habit
  • [02:00:35] <prpplague^2> killring: please note, i still have a bounty for the first person to get a wii knuchuk working with the trainer
  • [02:03:06] <killring> I take it you have more specific requirements than the existing arduino-based solutions?
  • [02:05:06] <prpplague^2> yea it of course needs to input into linux based i/o systems
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  • [02:40:17] <_av500_> gm
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  • [02:41:27] <buZz> prpplague^2: send me a trainer for testing on the igepv2 and i will fix it ;)
  • [02:41:39] <buZz> (the nunchuck stuff)
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  • [03:02:28] <funkathustra> Does anyone know if a fast ARM processor would be capable of encoding 720p video into MJPEG or MPEG4 in software?
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  • [03:10:11] <_av500_> sure
  • [03:10:39] <funkathustra> realtime?
  • [03:10:55] <_av500_> yes
  • [03:10:56] <funkathustra> and what about an ARM MCU?
  • [03:11:01] <funkathustra> as opposed to an application processor?
  • [03:11:10] <_av500_> ?
  • [03:11:18] <funkathustra> I mean,
  • [03:11:27] <_av500_> u just said "fast arm"
  • [03:11:42] <funkathustra> well, that's a relative term :-)
  • [03:11:54] <_av500_> yep
  • [03:12:00] <funkathustra> How fast will it need to be?
  • [03:12:19] <_av500_> no idea
  • [03:12:47] <funkathustra> I'd love to do this on a Cortex-M3-style MCU
  • [03:12:49] <_av500_> mpeg4 at least 1ghz
  • [03:12:52] <funkathustra> ohh
  • [03:12:54] <_av500_> lol
  • [03:12:56] <funkathustra> hahahah
  • [03:12:56] <funkathustra> ok
  • [03:12:58] <funkathustra> never mind.
  • [03:12:58] <_av500_> lol
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  • [03:14:15] <funkathustra> well, I'm an undergrad research assistant, and we need a 720p USB camera mounted inside a robot. Any idea what the best plan of attack is?
  • [03:14:38] <funkathustra> I've seen very few reference designs -- the only one I've come across is one using a DaVinci processor
  • [03:15:04] <funkathustra> It seems totally overkill for a USB web cam, though.
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  • [03:20:02] <ds> why not buy a camera that does mpeg4 or jpeg in hardware?
  • [03:23:26] <funkathustra> what do you mean?
  • [03:23:31] <funkathustra> a cmos sensor?
  • [03:24:23] <funkathustra> or are you talking about buying a USB webcam off-the-shelf?
  • [03:24:56] <funkathustra> we have very very very little board space (it's for a surgical robot), and we need stereoscopic vision, so we'll need two cameras
  • [03:25:04] <funkathustra> and as little silicon as possible
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  • [03:42:36] <Cameron_> Hey Guys, has anyone here worked with Special Computing?
  • [03:45:00] <Cameron_> <crickets>
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  • [03:53:28] <Cameron_> Hey Guys, has anyone here worked with Special Computing?
  • [03:53:38] <Cameron_> Or know anything about them
  • [03:54:07] <funkathustra> You just asked that.
  • [03:54:16] <funkathustra> No one knows what "Special Computing" is.
  • [03:54:48] <funkathustra> I googled it and know no more now than I did before the search.
  • [03:55:03] <buZz> it's a company
  • [03:55:23] <funkathustra> OK, well, ask your question?
  • [03:55:49] <killring> don't they make some sort of enclosure for the bb?
  • [03:56:10] <buZz> 'does anyone have any previous experience in dealing with this company'
  • [03:56:24] <funkathustra> no, why?
  • [03:56:30] <funkathustra> again, ask your question.
  • [03:57:20] * killring was only responding to the 'or know anything about them' part of the question
  • [03:58:12] <killring> and sure enough, they do enclosures among other things http://specialcomp.com/products.htm
  • [04:01:13] <Cameron_> they are all over the BB website...
  • [04:01:22] <Cameron_> they make things for a couple boards
  • [04:01:52] <Cameron_> but I was told to check them out if I need a custom solution, and the guy seems to have dropped of the face of the earth
  • [04:06:29] <killring> cameron: then you should move on. if they're not getting it done for you before the sale, things aren't likely to get any better
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  • [04:24:04] <SNU_GUMSTIX> Hello?
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  • [04:27:19] <_av500_> world?
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  • [05:04:12] <emeb|mac> Cameron_: still there?
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  • [05:08:57] <_av500_> no, in egypt's land
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  • [05:49:35] <emeb|mac> he's an egyptian?
  • [05:50:27] <_av500_> he walks like one
  • [05:50:45] <emeb|mac> buried in his jammies...
  • [05:53:07] <_av500_> emeb|mac: it was a reference to Ferris Bueller's Day Off, iow, I am old...
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  • [05:53:38] <emeb|mac> ah - it's been a while...
  • [05:54:11] <emeb|mac> _av500_: i am old also
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  • [05:57:57] <emeb|mac> let my Cameron go....
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  • [06:58:36] <koen> good morning all
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  • [07:01:50] <mru> morning koen
  • [07:02:27] <koen> hey mru
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  • [07:05:09] <_av500_> gm koen
  • [07:05:34] <koen> hey _av500_
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  • [07:06:13] <_av500_> is there any TI at ifa? i guess not...
  • [07:06:24] <koen> maybe WTBU stuff
  • [07:06:45] <_av500_> maybe is not gut genug
  • [07:06:46] <mru> I'd only expect it inside various gadgets
  • [07:06:54] <_av500_> mru: that i know for sure
  • [07:07:03] <koen> like tasers
  • [07:07:16] <mru> ifa is more about gadgets than chips afaik
  • [07:07:30] <_av500_> pmic are used there? or extreme level shifters?
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  • [07:07:47] <koen> they have video nowadays
  • [07:08:03] <koen> so you can get models with omap3 inside
  • [07:08:04] <_av500_> instant utube upload?
  • [07:08:17] <mru> show the subject such an appalling video that they collapse in pain?
  • [07:08:20] <_av500_> cop: say something funny...
  • [07:08:33] <mru> suspect: aaaauuuuuggh
  • [07:08:44] <_av500_> tazed: err, dont tase me bro?
  • [07:09:15] <_av500_> cop: that'll do fine
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  • [08:13:54] <jpsaman> _av500_: I update my neuros tree (if you are interested) http://git.m2x.eu/git/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=vlc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/neuros
  • [08:16:41] <_koen_> jpsaman: does it work?
  • [08:17:24] <jpsaman> _koen_: yes it does work fine on PAL/NTSC resolutions
  • [08:17:50] <jpsaman> _koen_: it needs some more optimization for HDMI/Component output (working on that)
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  • [08:25:10] <_koen_> _av500_: how are the tables doing?
  • [08:26:13] <mru> bobby tables?
  • [08:27:22] <_koen_> ah, obscure xkcd references in the morning
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  • [08:32:34] * janneg will try the tables later today (maybe with _av500_)
  • [08:33:26] <mru> btw, what about beast @ ELC?
  • [08:33:56] <janneg> bearsh:
  • [08:34:08] <janneg> err, sorry
  • [08:34:26] <janneg> the beast will return home tuesday
  • [08:34:56] <_koen_> mru: still no news, will ping people today
  • [08:38:36] <ynezz> hm, elinux still down, does somebody here have schematics for zippy board?
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  • [08:46:10] <jjflash> hello
  • [08:46:42] <jjflash> is there somebody here watching TV using beagleboard or any other OMAP3 based board?
  • [08:47:01] <jjflash> i'm having lots of issues with the video going slooooooow on this
  • [08:47:13] <jjflash> it seems to be something related to the TI codecs
  • [08:47:14] <jjflash> any clue?
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  • [08:48:08] <ynezz> you mean watching using USB TV dongle?
  • [08:48:15] <jjflash> yes
  • [08:48:35] <jjflash> the USB dongle works fine, i'm able to get transport streams from the air
  • [08:49:00] <jjflash> but when trying to watch...using gstreamer and the TI codecs, the video goes slooooooooow and out of sync with the audio
  • [08:50:33] <dm8tbr> hmm nice, should try that too
  • [08:55:53] <jjflash> ynezz: have you ever tried any TV usb dongle?
  • [08:56:54] <dm8tbr> btw: mpeg2 decoding worked on my omap3 unit just fine on the ARM using mplayer
  • [08:57:01] <dm8tbr> should try ffplay
  • [08:58:21] <jjflash> uhhm... i'm reading about a patch for FFMPEG to use the DSP acceleration on the OMAP3
  • [08:59:34] <dm8tbr> oh is there finally one?
  • [08:59:40] <dm8tbr> av500: ^^^
  • [08:59:48] <dm8tbr> _av500_: ^^^^^^
  • [09:03:33] <mru> felipec did some nasty hack to use dspbridge
  • [09:03:45] <mru> I haven't read it but I assume it's a nasty hack
  • [09:03:53] <mru> felipec did it...
  • [09:07:18] <jjflash> mru: nasty hack for what?
  • [09:07:33] <mru> calling some codecs over dspbridge
  • [09:08:01] <jjflash> ahh ok
  • [09:11:23] <_koen_> my C4 and zoom2 were fast enough for watching dvb-t using the arm
  • [09:11:39] <_koen_> I added a patch to fix mpeg2 in gst-ti a bit a few weeks ago
  • [09:13:00] <kai> jjflash: is your USB dongle doing the transcoding (if this is old-syle analog TV)?
  • [09:20:17] <_koen_> the 'D' in DVB-T stands for digital :)
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  • [09:21:45] <kai> _koen_: but jjflash said "TV", not dvb-t
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  • [09:22:41] <kai> and I know there's analog TV dongles that outsource the transcoding to the CPU
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  • [09:25:35] <dm8tbr> kai: he said 'transport stream' that implies digital
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  • [09:27:42] <jjflash> kai: i'm using DVB-T , so, it implies transport stream
  • [09:28:46] <jjflash> _koen_: could you please give me more information on that patch?
  • [09:29:01] <jjflash> it seems that my problems come with GStreamer and TI codecs
  • [09:29:26] <jjflash> (sorry for the delay, i was at the phone)
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  • [09:34:58] <_koen_> if you have an up to date angstrom, you should already have that patch
  • [09:35:09] <_koen_> is your stream mpeg2 or h264?
  • [09:35:16] <jjflash> mpeg2
  • [09:35:39] <jjflash> there are also several h264 channels, but mpeg2 is enough for me at the moment
  • [09:36:14] <jjflash> koen: are those patches even on the angstrom version for the igep board?
  • [09:36:26] <jjflash> i'm using an IGEPv2 board (beagleboard clone)
  • [09:36:52] <jjflash> or if there's a way to get those patches, i feel happy to apply them myself
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  • [09:37:36] <jjflash> btw, at the moment i'm using the POKY linux distro provided by the manufacturer of the IGEP board
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  • [09:39:23] <_koen_> ah, that one
  • [09:39:26] <_koen_> dunno about that
  • [09:39:45] <_koen_> I haven't been impressed with that, to say it mildly
  • [09:43:04] <DaveDavenport> with poky you should be able to copy the openembedded recipes
  • [09:43:06] <DaveDavenport> and run those
  • [09:43:32] <DaveDavenport> that worked for me with logitechs adjusted poky/oe.
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  • [09:47:40] <jjflash> so, its there a clear recipe to get the lastest gst-ti codecs with the patches for mpeg2?
  • [09:47:46] <jjflash> where can i read about this?
  • [09:50:57] <jjflash> _koen_: u there? :)
  • [09:52:12] <_koen_> yes, but on phone
  • [09:52:50] <mru> _koen_ is a company man now
  • [09:53:19] <jjflash> no problem :)
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  • [10:48:17] <_koen_> you're in florida?
  • [10:48:22] <mru> if you stare into the swamp...
  • [10:48:34] <_av500_> _koen_: no, in a former swamp
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  • [10:49:33] <_koen_> berlin?
  • [10:49:58] <_av500_> yep
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  • [10:50:11] <_av500_> in the catacombs known as berlin messe
  • [10:50:26] <mru> that place is a mess
  • [10:50:31] <_av500_> yep
  • [10:50:33] <_av500_> +1
  • [10:50:34] <_av500_> +100
  • [10:50:39] <dm8tbr> _av500_: show them people some openaos :D
  • [10:50:47] <_av500_> :)
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  • [10:51:41] <jjflash> time for lunch here (spain) :P
  • [10:52:00] <_av500_> mru: bridge stuff does not look so hacky to me
  • [10:52:05] * jjflash going to lunch room, see you in 30 minutes
  • [10:52:06] <_av500_> save the memcpy :)
  • [10:52:32] <_av500_> i mght even use ti to throw out more klines of code
  • [10:52:37] <_av500_> ti->it
  • [10:54:26] <dm8tbr> so, is there an WebM codec for the DSP yet? :)
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  • [11:01:59] <janneg> _av500_: I'll be there in an hour
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  • [11:19:28] <_av500_> janneg: ok
  • [11:19:36] <_av500_> im in 15.1
  • [11:26:01] <janneg> booth 133? might take a little bit longer "unregelmaessiger zugverkehr wegen einer betriebsstoerung"
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  • [11:33:55] <_av500_> k
  • [11:33:56] <_av500_> np
  • [11:34:23] <mru> janneg: love those explanations
  • [11:34:36] <mru> it's broken due to damage
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  • [11:42:33] <dm8tbr> did anyone compile psfreedom for beagleboard yet?
  • [11:42:45] <dm8tbr> we just did for Archos gen6 and gen7
  • [11:43:52] <mru> maybe _koen_ can help you port it :-)
  • [11:51:15] <_koen_> add a recipe and OE will port it automatically
  • [11:54:28] <dm8tbr> writing the recipe will take longer than compiling, but I could still try 'for teh fame' ;)
  • [11:55:17] <dm8tbr> is there any recipe that compiles out of kernel modules I could steal some structure/settings from?
  • [11:55:48] <dm8tbr> and this time I promise koen gets it before I even check it into our svn!
  • [11:57:17] <_av500_> dm8tbr: this channel is logged!
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  • [11:57:42] <_av500_> so now its official
  • [11:57:58] <_koen_> and you don't even have to make a patch of it!
  • [11:59:17] <_av500_> lol "is play from breakpoint?"
  • [12:03:17] <jjflash> i'm back
  • [12:04:04] <jjflash> _koen_ pls contact me when you are available :)
  • [12:04:43] <dm8tbr> so, do we have anything in angstrom or oe that could be a good starting point? any modules compiled externally?
  • [12:05:02] <dm8tbr> I don't want to reinvent the wheel and break it while doing so
  • [12:06:15] <dm8tbr> _koen_: I'd only get the patch wrong anyway
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  • [12:15:18] <dm8tbr> ok wlan-ng looks like an good example. let's get this on :)
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  • [12:43:38] <djlewis> um. . . coffee good....
  • [12:44:34] <djlewis> gm
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  • [13:08:05] <jjflash> _koen_: u alive?
  • [13:08:21] <jjflash> or someone else knows whre to get the lastest patches for gst-ti plugins?
  • [13:09:19] <jjflash> maybe from their svn?
  • [13:31:14] <guesto> bitbake linux-omap-psp for beagleboard seems to be broken
  • [13:31:42] <guesto> since 900cc29b603691 of oe
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  • [13:34:33] <guesto> configs directory not copied to WORKDIR, either multi-kernel.inc is wrong or base.bbclass
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  • [13:37:23] <guesto> email to angstrom dev got no love (was not me) http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2010-September/004174.html
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  • [13:44:22] <_koen_> so my dentist just said to me: "here's a tissue to wipe the blood of your face"
  • [13:44:24] <_koen_> fun
  • [13:44:35] <jjflash> ??!!?
  • [13:44:37] <_koen_> then I locked myself out of the house
  • [13:44:49] <_koen_> let's see what the rest of the afternoon will bring :)
  • [13:44:57] <jjflash> i hope no more blood :)
  • [13:44:58] <djlewis> ugh...
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  • [13:46:23] <jjflash> _koen_: any clues on the gst-ti patches? :)
  • [13:47:47] <koen> check OE
  • [13:48:51] <jjflash> before checking the whole OE, is there any place to download those patches?
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  • [13:51:04] <koen> jjflash: match http://gitorious.org/angstrom/openembedded/trees/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/ti/gstreamer-ti with http://gitorious.org/angstrom/openembedded/blobs/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/ti/gstreamer-ti_svn.bb
  • [13:51:29] <jjflash> thank you!
  • [13:51:35] <jjflash> lets go! :)
  • [13:54:49] <dm8tbr> rah, I'm not that good at writing bb recipes, slow progress is slow
  • [13:55:25] <jjflash> _koen_: is there any known issue with my setup? i.e.: mpeg2 decoding issues? Transport Stream demuxing problems?
  • [13:55:39] <jjflash> i don't see any relevant information at the gstreamer debug messages :(
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  • [14:15:56] <xarxex> hi, i'm having some trouble with video on my lcd tv.. I've been trying to run 0xdroid, but i only get unsupported signal..
  • [14:18:02] <_koen_> jjflash: there was a problem with setting the mpeg2 caps
  • [14:18:21] <xarxex> atm i'm using a C4 board with videomode = '1280x720MR-24@60'
  • [14:20:14] <jjflash> _koen_: ok, i'll start compiling everything tomorrow morning :)
  • [14:20:18] <jjflash> thanks
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  • [14:22:22] <screwgoth> Hi guys, I'm using the Ethernet-over-USB interface for networking on my Beagleboard. Does anybody know the throughout numbers for this device ?
  • [14:22:55] <kai> screwgoth: depends?
  • [14:23:02] <kai> I can recomment iperf for testing
  • [14:23:07] <kai> *recommend
  • [14:23:36] <screwgoth> ok .. will do a test with iperf ... but any ballpark figures ?
  • [14:23:50] <kai> what kind of device is it?
  • [14:24:15] <kai> ethernet over usb is a pretty broad spectrum.. what chipset?
  • [14:24:56] <screwgoth> lemme check ... but it's a cheap dongle ...
  • [14:25:28] <kai> I've also used http://dbench.samba.org/ for network performance testing before
  • [14:25:49] <kai> but I mostly play with SMB file servers which does bias my views of what a useful test looks like
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  • [14:31:57] <xarxex> How should i setup the video mode on an hdtv (720p or 1080p)
  • [14:32:42] <xarxex> Rev C4
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  • [14:43:06] <screwgoth> kai: For what it's worth, my USB-to-Ethernet dongle has a chipset"ATPL-046ALN Atech 0537"
  • [14:43:11] <screwgoth> Ring any bells ?
  • [14:44:09] <mru> where did you get that designation?
  • [14:44:13] <mru> printed on the chip?
  • [14:44:33] <screwgoth> yeah
  • [14:44:51] <mru> then 0537 is year/week of manufacturing
  • [14:45:09] <mru> so don't bother googling that bit
  • [14:45:21] <screwgoth> I'm suspecting that the dongle is dropping packets ....
  • [14:45:25] <screwgoth> ah .. ok ..
  • [14:45:51] <mru> smsc lan95xx chips are known to work well
  • [14:46:04] <mru> asix chips too
  • [14:46:58] <screwgoth> damn .... I just have just 3 Atech dongles with me right now
  • [14:47:11] <mru> which driver does it use?
  • [14:48:11] <screwgoth> g_cdc .. I guess
  • [14:48:33] <mru> g_ are gadget drivers
  • [14:48:37] <mru> so that's not what you're using
  • [14:51:50] <screwgoth> oh ...ircomm then ?
  • [14:51:59] <mru> hardly
  • [14:52:49] <screwgoth> could it be one of : rfcomm , hidp, l2cap
  • [14:53:02] <_koen_> could be builtin, then it wouldn't show up in lsmod
  • [14:53:06] <kai> nope, that's bluetooth stuff
  • [14:53:09] <dm8tbr> koen: got it to compile, but this recipe looks really ugly due to trial and error. I'll not make it welte_shiny but try to clean it up a bit.
  • [14:53:28] <kai> screwgoth: you could have a look at the dmesg output
  • [14:53:34] <screwgoth> yeah ... everything else seems to be TI's stuff
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  • [14:55:00] <screwgoth> kai: I see that the eth0 interface comes up after the g_cdc driver , after this message " g_cdc gadget: using random self ethernet address"
  • [14:56:02] <kai> and you're running the board in gadget mode?
  • [14:56:56] <mru> gadget has nothing to do with usb-eth adaptors
  • [14:57:29] <kai> mru: but the connection to the host is ethernet-over-usb as well, isn't it? so eth0 might be the connection to the usb host
  • [14:57:34] <screwgoth> wait a sec ... how about "eth0: register 'dm9601' at usb-ehci-omap.0-2.2, Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet, 00:10:13:50:a3:43"
  • [14:57:40] <kai> ag
  • [14:57:53] <kai> ah, that looks good.. and bad
  • [14:58:04] <mru> screwgoth: that's it
  • [14:58:11] <kai> I had "fun" with my davicom usb adaptor
  • [14:58:19] <kai> I think these things are 10Mbit only
  • [14:58:20] <_koen_> so dm9601
  • [14:58:29] <screwgoth> ???
  • [14:58:35] <mru> is the driver
  • [14:58:51] <mru> kai: davicom probably make several models
  • [14:59:33] <kai> mru: but if it's a cheap chinese USB dongle, I think I've seen only one version of those
  • [15:00:06] <mru> could be
  • [15:00:09] <mru> never seen one at all
  • [15:00:22] <kai> not 100% sure it was that chipset, I'd have to check when I get home in about an hour
  • [15:01:03] <kai> the driver would fail to properly do IPv6 LLNR unless you constantly pinged from the device and crap like that
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  • [15:02:02] <screwgoth> kai: it's a cheap chinese USB dongle alright
  • [15:02:15] <mru> btw, anyone know a good 16-port gbit switch?
  • [15:02:43] <screwgoth> I'm trying to RTP data with a bandwidth capped at 512kbps and it's still dropping packets ...
  • [15:03:29] * mru discovered the sigma 86xx builtin ethernet corrupts data
  • [15:03:57] <mru> usb eth to the rescue
  • [15:04:30] <kai> screwgoth: I'd try and get a different USB dongle
  • [15:05:01] <screwgoth> kai : I'll try ... any suggestions ?
  • [15:05:19] <screwgoth> wait.. I just scrolled up ... you mentioned asix and smsc right ?
  • [15:05:23] <kai> I've had moschip and asix chipsets working nicely
  • [15:05:48] <screwgoth> out of the box, for beagleboard ?
  • [15:06:30] <mru> beagle xm has smsc onboard
  • [15:07:04] <kai> screwgoth: yeah, my revB6 has a netgear dongle with an asix chipset
  • [15:07:40] <kai> and the C3 has an "ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88772"
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  • [15:12:20] <screwgoth> kai: Thanks a lot. I'll try to get my hands on one of these
  • [15:13:01] <kai> screwgoth: for what it's worth, I got the moschip dongle for two bucks more than the davicom one, and it's just slightly bigger
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  • [15:13:47] <screwgoth> kai: nice.
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  • [15:39:34] <Robin__> Hello, everyone
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  • [15:43:41] <Robin__> has anyone ever used extension GL_OES_standard_derivatives on beagle?
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  • [15:45:03] <Robin__> I'm trying to figure out how to enable extension GL_OES_standard_derivatives.
  • [15:47:08] <Robin__> But it seems some functions(dFdy & fwidth) are missing
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  • [16:14:43] <jacekowski> killring: flash 10.1?
  • [16:14:47] <jacekowski> koen: flash 10.1?
  • [16:15:17] * killring doesn't care for flash
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  • [16:43:17] <koen> jacekowski: yes, flash 10.1 from adobe
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  • [16:58:06] <XorA|gone> koen: sweet
  • [17:09:37] <ynezz> sorry for asking for it again and again, but is there anybody who could send me schematics of zippy board?
  • [17:09:48] <jacekowski> koen: can you link?
  • [17:10:06] <ynezz> elinux is down for me last two days and it isn't available from anywhere else
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  • [17:13:34] <djlewis> http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Zippy works for me
  • [17:14:06] <jacekowski> that's probably just waiting for dns to propagate
  • [17:14:39] <ynezz> ah cool, so it's up, I'll modify hosts, thanks
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  • [18:00:02] <sakoman> koen: is Flash for OMAP3 generally available now? Or only by special arrangement?
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  • [19:49:57] <Crofton> koen, did you post the -ggdb2 patch to a list?
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  • [20:06:04] <koen> Crofton: no
  • [20:06:43] <koen> sakoman: internal RC
  • [20:07:04] <sakoman> koen: thanks, just curious
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  • [20:09:12] <koen> only NEON, no sgx or dsp
  • [20:13:12] <andoma> i'm struggling a bit with PowerVR RAW (ie. no X11) examples. they all fail with: eglCreateWindowSurface() failed (in one shape or another)
  • [20:13:22] <andoma> any clues?
  • [20:13:40] <mru> do something more interesting instead
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  • [20:14:29] <andoma> such as?
  • [20:14:45] <andoma> but i want to do OpenGL on raw fb
  • [20:14:46] <mru> anything not involving sgx
  • [20:14:54] <mru> sgx is not interesting
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  • [20:15:32] <andoma> well, it is for me
  • [20:15:57] <mru> watching error messages from binary blobs is interesting for you?
  • [20:16:36] <andoma> well
  • [20:16:50] <andoma> i was hoping to get OpenGL to work for my mediaplayer
  • [20:16:58] <mru> useless
  • [20:25:31] <|harmonic|> andoma: not done any gles, but I'd assume there is a glGetError equiv. give that a whirl see what it says
  • [20:26:50] <jacekowski> koen: so is that flash avaliable to general public or just to chosen ones?
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  • [20:41:50] <sakoman> jacekowski: I think the fact that koen called it an internal release candidate pretty much means it is restricted to internal use
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  • [20:49:32] <ynezz> It's strictly necessary to have the EEPROM on I2C bus #2 as stated here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Expansion_boards ?
  • [20:50:16] <ynezz> It makes no sense for LCD expansion board, there's bus #3 on JP5 available
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  • [21:02:41] <ynezz> heh, it seems like there's more u-boot repositories, than porn on whole internet
  • [21:04:34] <ynezz> according to this only i2c bus #2 is being probed http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=board/ti/beagle/beagle.c;h=8c5b88c83084f6e8e83e02d8a3e66ed14146c688;hb=946351081bd14e8bf5816fc38b82e004a0e6b4fe
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  • [21:07:45] <ynezz> koen: hi, it seems like your patch ^^^, I hope it would be fine with you to change it for probing I2C bus #3 also, or generally it shouldn't be a problem at all, right?
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  • [21:14:20] <ynezz> koen: at least by this, it seems, that there's support for all three I2C buses already http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=drivers/i2c/omap24xx_i2c.c;h=ba47fc458a4f3da20d90e8a67f3af51e4ff0f572;hb=946351081bd14e8bf5816fc38b82e004a0e6b4fe#l414
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  • [21:16:32] <rambo2_981_> anyone know which .h file has the gpio settings and what mode the mux is set to?
  • [21:18:31] <rambo2_981_> i mean the pin mux; i need to set several gpios to mode 4
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  • [21:30:49] <_av500_> gm
  • [21:32:33] <dm8tbr> how's big B?
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  • [21:36:54] <emeb> _av500_: still up?
  • [21:40:36] <_av500_> yup
  • [21:40:40] <_av500_> just back from a party
  • [21:41:57] <emeb> some sort of conference/convention in Berlin?
  • [21:42:47] <_av500_> yes, IFA
  • [21:42:56] <_av500_> fair
  • [21:43:12] <emeb> seen anything fun yet?
  • [21:43:22] <_av500_> a lot of bad 3d lcds
  • [21:43:38] <emeb> I've heard that they're hard to avoid. and bad.
  • [21:43:48] <_av500_> sony was the worst
  • [21:43:53] <_av500_> flicker is awful
  • [21:44:25] <emeb> One thing that seems like an obvious flaw - for 3D to work you have to be vertically aligned.
  • [21:44:35] <emeb> many folks watch TV off-center and laying down.
  • [21:44:40] <emeb> instant 3D fail
  • [21:45:09] <_av500_> hmm, no
  • [21:45:23] <_av500_> with shutter glasses, left goes to left regardless of orientation
  • [21:45:42] <_av500_> unless you are sony and leave out one polarizer, then head has to be vertical
  • [21:45:47] <emeb> yes but - the parallax of the source material is on a horizontal with the TV
  • [21:46:03] <emeb> if your eyes aren't on the same baseline then it won't look right
  • [21:46:11] <_av500_> hmm right
  • [21:46:26] <_av500_> we need a new 3d cam that shoots at any parallax :)
  • [21:46:35] <_av500_> like, every 10 degrees
  • [21:46:38] <_av500_> :)
  • [21:47:12] <emeb> accelerometers on glasses let you choose the proper parallax
  • [21:47:19] <dm8tbr> holo-cam ;)
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  • [21:47:25] <_av500_> yep
  • [21:47:27] <emeb> that would do it
  • [21:47:38] <emeb> BW goes up a bit tho :)
  • [21:47:56] <_av500_> just submit the current angle, not all
  • [21:48:21] <emeb> then all people watching have to agree on which way to hold their heads.
  • [21:48:37] <_av500_> ah yes
  • [21:48:50] <_av500_> that can be solved mechanically
  • [21:48:53] <_av500_> :)
  • [21:49:06] <_av500_> synchronous head tilt aparatus comprising....
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  • [21:52:56] <rambo2_981_> anyone know which .h file has the gpio settings and what mode the mux is set to?
  • [21:52:57] <rambo2_981_> i mean the pin mux; i need to set several gpios to mode 4
  • [21:55:22] <emeb> rambo2_981_: lately that's mostly controlled by u-boot.
  • [21:55:32] <emeb> so look in the u-boot board init sources
  • [21:57:52] <emeb> <uboot_top>/board/ti/beagle/beagle.h
  • [21:59:50] <rambo2_981_> emeb, i see led init code in board-omap3beagle.c; i was going to extend that and add 4 more leds, and use the /sys interface.
  • [22:00:09] <rambo2_981_> emeb, where is the uboot source tree for the C4 h/w release?
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  • [22:00:54] <emeb> rambo2_981_: I get mine from OE
  • [22:01:59] <emeb> rambo2_981_: for LEDs you should be good to go as-is - most uncommitted expansion pins are defaulted to GPIO
  • [22:02:35] <rambo2_981_> emeb, i see most uncommitted expansion pins *not* set to gpio/mode 4 as i cannot toggle them. they are always 1.8V (high)
  • [22:03:09] <emeb> are you using any expansion boards (zippy, trainer, etc)?
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  • [22:04:21] * emeb is not sure what recent u-boot pinmux code does
  • [22:04:23] <rambo2_981_> emeb, no it's a bare C4
  • [22:04:35] <rambo2_981_> emeb, and this is becoming really irritating
  • [22:04:36] <emeb> OK - I'm prolly going off old info.
  • [22:05:11] <rambo2_981_> emeb, i am hoping to just extend the led code by adding 4 more gpios in the led array that are for beagleboard::
  • [22:05:33] <emeb> rambo2_981_: A while back I wrote a loadable device driver that lets you set the pinmux long after boot time
  • [22:06:10] <emeb> Might be good to clean that up and put the source up for others to fool with...
  • [22:07:06] <rambo2_981_> emeb, is it available?
  • [22:07:11] <rambo2_981_> i was hoping not to do a .ko
  • [22:07:32] <rambo2_981_> i was going to cheat; do a ko that let me write any register, regardless of the ramifications; crash and burn, or smile
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  • [22:23:03] <jacekowski> it would crash and burn rather quickly
  • [22:23:11] <emeb> rambo2_981_: don't have that code out in the wild yet. Needs some attention
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  • [22:23:39] <jacekowski> emeb: what about devices that are initialised by kernel
  • [22:23:41] <emeb> If you're careful about which pinmux registers you touch then it won't crash & burn.
  • [22:23:42] <jacekowski> for example i2c2
  • [22:23:58] <jacekowski> what if you switch that to alterntive function
  • [22:23:59] <emeb> but that is an issue - the user has to beware.
  • [22:24:05] <jacekowski> and then try accessing i2c2
  • [22:24:27] <emeb> for example - the GPIO that turns the external USB phy on/off - touch that pinmux reg and things stop working.
  • [22:24:40] <jacekowski> that could really crash and burn
  • [22:24:57] <jacekowski> i suppose that may make it crash so hard that there will bo no panic
  • [22:25:05] <jacekowski> just full hard stop on double exception
  • [22:25:13] <emeb> jacekowski: in the words of the old joke "Doctor - it hurts when I do this" - "Then don't do that"
  • [22:25:31] <jacekowski> that reminds me joke about blonde and doctor
  • [22:25:32] <rambo2_981_> emeb, i wouldn't care if it needed cleaning up. if i made enhancements, i'd give it back
  • [22:25:38] <jacekowski> blonde goes to doctor and shows him
  • [22:25:50] <jacekowski> it's hurts when i touch there, here, and there and somewhere else
  • [22:26:12] <emeb> rambo2_981_: I'll see if I can dig it up...
  • [22:26:18] <jacekowski> doctors says: that's because you've got broken finger
  • [22:26:29] <emeb> jacekowski: heh
  • [22:26:32] <jacekowski> anyways
  • [22:26:43] <jacekowski> what is maximum vusb voltage that tps65... can take
  • [22:26:48] <jacekowski> without melting
  • [22:26:59] <emeb> one way to find out... :)
  • [22:27:04] <mru> 5V
  • [22:27:07] <jacekowski> i was thinking about using 6V dumb battery pack to charge by phone
  • [22:27:08] <emeb> Or you can read the datasheet
  • [22:27:27] <jacekowski> bq24150 can take up to 20V without melting
  • [22:27:32] <mru> 6V is out of range
  • [22:27:41] <mru> it might survive if you're lucky
  • [22:27:49] <mru> it will almost certainly not work
  • [22:27:56] <jacekowski> but tps65... datasheet says that 5v+0.3V
  • [22:28:03] <jacekowski> so i would be only 0.7V above range
  • [22:28:19] <mru> so?
  • [22:28:26] <jacekowski> and well, usb requires +-10% tolerance
  • [22:28:28] <mru> you'd be well outside the range
  • [22:28:40] <mru> 10% of 5V is 0.5V
  • [22:28:44] <mru> you'd be outside that
  • [22:28:49] <jacekowski> so i would be 0.5V to far
  • [22:29:10] <mru> you'd be twice as far off as you're allowed
  • [22:29:41] <mru> but by all means, fry your chips
  • [22:29:57] <mru> but don't get upset when "I told you so"
  • [22:30:18] <jacekowski> hmm , would need some way of geting my voltage down to 5V
  • [22:30:35] <jacekowski> with fully charged batteries LDO would barelly work
  • [22:31:07] <jacekowski> from the other side, usb charging spec requires for charging to continue with lower voltage
  • [22:31:32] <jacekowski> i need somebody brave enough to test it
  • [22:31:58] <jacekowski> or i could just go accidental damage way if it break and get new phone
  • [22:33:49] <emeb> rambo2_981_: try this - http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/embedded/beagle/pinmux_ko.tgz
  • [22:34:26] <jacekowski> emeb: sources
  • [22:34:33] <jacekowski> emeb: or gpl army will eat you alive
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  • [22:35:32] <emeb> jacekowski: this is a one-off for rambo2_981_ to look at.
  • [22:35:45] <jacekowski> still
  • [22:35:47] <jacekowski> you published it
  • [22:36:51] <emeb> jacekowski: Module License in source is specified as 'GPL' - is that enough? :)
  • [22:37:08] <jacekowski> if it wouldn't be gpl i wouldn't care
  • [22:37:12] <jacekowski> but you specified it as gpl
  • [22:37:22] <jacekowski> which means you are required to provide sources on demand
  • [22:37:28] <ynezz> and there's source, isn't it?
  • [22:37:52] <emeb> err - just source is there. no binary. If you're reading it, you've got it.
  • [22:38:03] <ynezz> if mcbsp.c isn't the source code of that module, I'm jedi knight
  • [22:38:17] <jacekowski> hmm, fail
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  • [22:46:59] <hatten> jacekowski: what kind of batteries, NiMh?
  • [22:47:41] <jacekowski> just AA cells
  • [22:48:05] <jacekowski> i need some sort of on the go charging with something i can get in a shop
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  • [22:52:00] <rambo2_981_> emeb, so it sets the pinmux at init time for gpio 143 (bsp3 fsx) etc.?
  • [22:53:10] <emeb> rambo2_981_: yep.
  • [22:53:17] <emeb> and restores it on module exit
  • [22:53:55] <rambo2_981_> emeb, thank you very much!
  • [22:54:18] <emeb> np
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  • [23:02:28] <hatten> jacekowski: ok, but the solution to your problem, as I understood it, will probably differ depending on what kind of batteries you are using.
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  • [23:03:09] <hatten> NiCd are pretty much 1.2-1.25 V throughout the discharge, whereas NiMh is more like 1.45 V fully charged and drops to ~1V
  • [23:03:22] <jacekowski> ideally if i would have dc/dc converter operating from 2V-7V
  • [23:03:37] <jacekowski> so i could suck every single joule from batteries
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  • [23:07:44] <buZz> i run my igepv2 with a 5v dc-dc convertor, input is 7v-30v
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  • [23:08:09] <buZz> i've also seen boost dc-dc converters, but never one that could do enough amps :D
  • [23:08:39] <buZz> beagle uses a bit less energy compared to igepv2, no wireless and bluetooth and ethernet to power :)
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  • [23:12:31] <hatten> yeah, stupid first law of thermodynamics
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  • [23:13:00] <buZz> hatten: it should be made illegal
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  • [23:15:19] <tommd> Is it true that mlo needs to be the first file copied to your FAT (boot) partition?
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  • [23:24:14] <jacekowski> yes
  • [23:28:43] <hatten> jacekowski: take a look at some Maxim parts, like MAX1765 "800mA, Low-Noise, Step-Up DC-DC Converter with 500mA Linear Regulator "
  • [23:29:13] <jacekowski> i need something closer to 1A
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  • [23:36:46] <hatten> yeah, so at 2V input that's like 3A.. tough one
  • [23:37:16] <hatten> getting late here though, gn
  • [23:43:31] <jacekowski> well, not at 2V
  • [23:44:03] <jacekowski> but i would like to pull as much as phone can
  • [23:44:12] <jacekowski> and charger chip in phone can do 1.25A
  • [23:44:41] <jacekowski> which batteries should be able to provide untill like 4V
  • [23:50:42] <rambo2_981_> any suggestions on cross-dev toolchain for the bb? linux host, 386 processor
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  • [23:53:23] <emeb> rambo2_981_: either the one OE builds, or Codesourcery.
  • [23:55:20] <rambo2_981_> emeb, txs
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