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  • [02:36:14] <vob> hi I have bew Kwikbyte beagle board.....where can i find the instructions to boot it
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  • [02:45:56] <RobotGuy> Has anyone here gotten Android onto a Beagle?
  • [02:51:01] <ds2> RobotGuy: yep
  • [02:51:16] <ds2> trick is to get that beast off fast enough ;)
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  • [02:51:49] <RobotGuy> ds2: I mean seriously. I've been trying to install Android on Beagle.
  • [02:52:23] <ds2> RobotGuy: yes, I am serious too... it is no more difficult to any other boards... I even have a video of it if you really doubt that I am blowing hot air
  • [02:52:26] <ds2> ;)
  • [02:52:48] <RobotGuy> I know people have done it. I just can't seem to do it.
  • [02:53:00] <vob> hi I have new Kwikbyte KBOC board.....they reccomend to use Beageboard instruction....any one instructions
  • [02:53:05] <RobotGuy> I think I have not found good instructions.
  • [02:53:07] <ds2> what do you want to do with it?
  • [02:53:26] <RobotGuy> ds2: Right now, I just want to install Android and tinker with it.
  • [02:54:34] <ds2> RobotGuy: In that case, grab the ESC/SV image
  • [02:54:44] <RobotGuy> ds2: From where?
  • [02:54:45] <ds2> it has a copy of it on there and it should "just work"
  • [02:54:55] <ds2> isn't it still on the bb.org webpage?
  • [02:55:30] <RobotGuy> I don't know, but it seems like all the android links go offsite.
  • [02:55:39] <ds2> let me see
  • [02:55:42] <RobotGuy> I've looked on eLinux also.
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  • [02:56:55] <emeb> gah! I _hate_ the auto collapse/expand on the beagleboard.org ESC page!
  • [02:57:16] <ds2> the one on "beagleboard.org/esc" under Silicon Valley 2009 seems to work for me
  • [02:57:27] <ds2> what collapse/expand thing? :D
  • [02:57:38] <emeb> go here: http://beagleboard.org/esc
  • [02:57:48] <ds2> I am there
  • [02:58:11] <emeb> as you mouse over the various sections they automatically expand/collapse
  • [02:58:16] <emeb> drives me nuts!
  • [02:58:19] <ds2> not for me
  • [02:58:22] <ds2> but I forbid JS
  • [02:58:27] <emeb> That must be it.
  • [02:58:48] <emeb> scrolling across that page results in mayhem.
  • [03:00:30] <emeb> yeah - JS is the cultprit. Some web designer had too much time on his hands...
  • [03:00:45] <RobotGuy> I didn't see anything there about android.
  • [03:01:02] <RobotGuy> That auto expand/collapse makes my head hurt.
  • [03:01:21] <emeb> Down at the bottom of the ESC Chicago section is a header labeled 'Optional Android'
  • [03:01:27] <emeb> but there's no there there.
  • [03:02:11] <RobotGuy> Ah, found an android link there.
  • [03:02:45] <emeb> under 'Silicon Valley 2009?
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  • [03:05:09] <emeb> ds2: seen this? http://rossum.posterous.com/teeny-avr-media-thing-the-nanotouch-0
  • [03:05:27] <emeb> appears to use one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/1-04-65K-OLED-Color-Display-96x64-SSD1332-backlight-/300445047662?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f3eb9b6e
  • [03:05:51] <RobotGuy> OK, finally got the PDF to open using Okular.
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  • [03:06:40] <RobotGuy> I will save it and look at it tomorrow, if not later tonight.
  • [03:06:51] <RobotGuy> Thanks for getting me pointed to the link.
  • [03:07:07] <emeb> Looks like there's an img there too - D/Ling it now to take a closer look...
  • [03:09:32] <RobotGuy> I see that - downloading, but not sure how to use it. Doesn't specify size required.
  • [03:10:08] <emeb> uncompress & see how big it is.
  • [03:10:13] <RobotGuy> I have a couple 2 GB SD cards and an 8 GB card.
  • [03:10:21] <emeb> should be plenty
  • [03:10:25] <RobotGuy> I'm going to do that. :)
  • [03:11:18] <RobotGuy> Ah, OK, I get how to do it now.
  • [03:12:17] <emeb> prolly dd if=<.img file> of= /dev/sdxx (where sdxx is your SD card)
  • [03:13:25] <RobotGuy> That's what I am going to try.
  • [03:14:40] <emeb> gunzipping...
  • [03:15:38] <emeb> 2GB
  • [03:16:08] <emeb> need to try the loop mount trick to look inside it. Forgot how though...
  • [03:16:28] <emeb> time to consult the grimoire...
  • [03:17:39] <RobotGuy> I can't remember how to loop mount either. :(
  • [03:18:19] <RobotGuy> I'm only 1/5th through the image download. :(
  • [03:18:44] <emeb> koen pointed out a nifty little utility a few weeks back that automatically gets the partition offsets...
  • [03:18:57] <emeb> but it leaked away :(
  • [03:27:03] <RobotGuy> I think there are far more of us tinkering with hardware -and- software than people think.
  • [03:27:08] <emeb> one way (not the easy way tho) fdisk -ul esc2009sj.v12.img
  • [03:27:21] <emeb> *nod*
  • [03:27:52] <RobotGuy> For instance, I design and build small robots and the main controller will be a BeagleBoard. There will be other controllers such as Arduino on my robot also.
  • [03:28:24] <emeb> microcontrollers proliferate...
  • [03:28:43] <RobotGuy> We need more coverage of Linux, BSD, etc in the software realm and more on things like BeagleBoard in the hardware realm.
  • [03:29:23] <RobotGuy> DIY is not a subculture. It's very mainstream.
  • [03:29:43] <emeb> hmmmm...
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  • [03:30:52] <emeb> could be perspective or selection bias, but I imagine that as a fraction of overall population it's pretty small
  • [03:31:17] <RobotGuy> Ooops, wrong chat window. ;)
  • [03:31:25] <emeb> :)
  • [03:32:32] <RobotGuy> That was all meant for the TWiT folks (twit.tv and live.twit.tv - many former TechTV folks.
  • [03:32:46] <emeb> works here too tho.
  • [03:32:59] <emeb> only slightly OT, but I'm always OT...
  • [03:33:04] <RobotGuy> Very true. :) TWiT = This Week in Tech.
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  • [03:33:58] <RobotGuy> Wow, 29% of my android image download complete.
  • [03:34:17] <emeb> seems I've got a fairly wide pipe...
  • [03:35:28] <RobotGuy> I should have a wide pipe also - 25Mbi/25Mbit.
  • [03:35:47] <emeb> I usually get 5-10M
  • [03:36:55] <emeb> my google-fu is weak - can't find anything about that img utility koen mentioned...
  • [03:38:05] <emeb> Aha! losetup!!!
  • [03:38:19] <emeb> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/user/loop-device-usage.html
  • [03:40:11] <emeb> nope - that's not the one that handles partitions... :(
  • [03:42:05] <emeb> Here it is: http://robert.penz.name/73/kpartx-a-tool-for-mounting-partitions-within-an-image-file/
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  • [03:43:58] <vob> Anyone has experince with KBOC BB2
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  • [04:04:28] <djlewis> vob: if they say it is like beagleboard then go to beagleboard.org and follow beagleboard beginners link at top of page
  • [04:04:33] <djlewis> hi emeb
  • [04:07:53] <emeb> hi djlewis
  • [04:07:57] <emeb> 'sup?
  • [04:08:32] <djlewis> just woke from a nap. This big ol dog of mine is a bad influence on me. :)
  • [04:08:52] <ds2> emeb: can't see that... no easy flash
  • [04:08:55] <emeb> sleeping dogs are infectious?
  • [04:09:02] <djlewis> Been help a friend get his 24" Dob finished so a few all nighters lately.
  • [04:09:12] <emeb> ds2: ah - cool little OLED display
  • [04:09:41] <emeb> guy's a clever programmer. Thinks like a demoscene coder.
  • [04:10:04] <emeb> djlewis: yep - saw the pix you posted the other day.
  • [04:10:39] <emeb> a 24" can let you see a lot. Buddy of mine has one - we used it on Shoemaker-Levy 9
  • [04:11:35] <djlewis> he came over Saturday night and talked me into trying my 18" in my dome.
  • [04:11:54] <emeb> see anything good?
  • [04:12:27] <djlewis> Bad night weather wise but good view of m31 and the veil ( without filter)
  • [04:13:02] <djlewis> we are having storms everyday and night
  • [04:13:28] <emeb> cool! Got a good look at m104 through my pal's 24" (at that desert site I pointed out a while back)
  • [04:14:13] <ds2> emeb: I think most of those are SPI interfaced
  • [04:14:36] <emeb> ds2: yep - I think this one's 8-bit parallel, but the idea's the same.
  • [04:14:49] <emeb> not suitable for BB LCD data.
  • [04:15:48] <emeb> djlewis: I once saw m31 w/ binocs. My first messier...
  • [04:16:03] <djlewis> it is cool with nice binoculars
  • [04:16:19] <djlewis> to big for most telescopes
  • [04:16:40] <emeb> get a nice wide-field objective...
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  • [04:17:38] <djlewis> a little over 3x1 degree in size
  • [04:19:37] <emeb> then there's the hubble deep field - talk about the total perspective vortex...
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  • [04:21:57] <djlewis> _av500_: morning, are we too OT for you?
  • [04:22:02] <emeb> pre-caffeine?
  • [04:22:22] <_av500_> djlewis: no, just woke
  • [04:23:16] * emeb browses IRC logs while feeding the cats @ 6:30AM.
  • [04:23:33] <emeb> brain not much good for anything else at that hour.
  • [04:24:03] <_av500_> emeb: so, matching time zones, now where do i get a cat from
  • [04:24:10] <djlewis> sad state of affairs when we first browse irc logs ;)
  • [04:25:08] <emeb> eh - need something mindless while booting...
  • [04:25:48] <emeb> _av500_: not just any cat - alarm cat who's in your face when the sun comes up demanding kibble.
  • [04:25:51] <djlewis> usually 1st thing I do to.
  • [04:26:03] * djlewis once had one
  • [04:26:51] <emeb> some folks prefer roosters I guess.
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  • [04:28:14] <djlewis> we have those out here but windows are closed when its hot.
  • [04:28:21] <djlewis> my dogs like to sleep in
  • [04:28:30] <emeb> good dogs
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  • [04:28:50] <djlewis> basically they sleep until I get up.
  • [04:30:10] <emeb> so here's an on-topic question: any idea why my usb/ethernet dongle gets reassigned from eth0 to eth1 during boot?
  • [04:31:42] <emeb> (on BB, Angstrom unstable, kernel 2.6.32-r81)
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  • [04:34:27] <djlewis> what stage of boot is is either?
  • [04:35:17] <emeb> looks like it's pretty late in the boot process - just a bit before the login prompt..
  • [04:35:24] * djlewis just blew up levels of m31 image. lots more data now.
  • [04:35:42] <djlewis> seems dmesg would show the culprit
  • [04:35:42] <emeb> you've got a CCD?
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  • [04:35:58] <djlewis> I did till late 07
  • [04:36:01] <emeb> it's udev. Just don't know why.
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  • [04:36:14] <djlewis> sounds like a dbl opening of the dev
  • [04:37:14] <javaJake> emeb: hahaha, sounds like my cat
  • [04:37:32] <djlewis> Dr Jeckle and Mr Hyde?
  • [04:38:23] <javaJake> emeb: he waltzes in the cat door and immediately (not kidding) meows every second for about a minute, and then he jumps up on the desk. Doesn't matter if he has food. He needs me to give him a few scratches before he eats, and then meows to go back out (one-way cat door).
  • [04:38:53] <emeb> javaJake: they are creatures of habit
  • [04:38:58] <javaJake> Indeed :)
  • [04:39:30] <emeb> djlewis: from the log - [ 40.721252] udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
  • [04:39:57] <javaJake> emeb: A different cat used to walk 180 degrees around the front door to get the food (since that's where we kept it). When we moved it the cat took about a month before it got out of that habit :P
  • [04:41:00] <javaJake> Speaking of cats... brb
  • [04:41:58] * djlewis may revisit developing the quad m31 image. just for grins.
  • [04:43:04] <djlewis> camera too small and or fl to fast. took four quardrant shots to get that big ol galaxy.
  • [04:43:24] <djlewis> then missed some
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  • [04:43:51] <emeb> need a stitcher?
  • [04:44:21] <djlewis> might work better than my manual methods :)
  • [04:45:12] <djlewis> ooh, a BB stitcher project.... hmmm
  • [04:45:34] <emeb> there's an open-source stitcher I've used before that seems to do a good job. Astro pix might not have enough complexity for its pattern matching though.
  • [04:47:03] <djlewis> I have heard of some windoze tools but I wont buy them,
  • [04:48:41] <djlewis> yep, mru teases me about my home wide shot stitching.
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  • [05:06:11] <djlewis> weather map and ClearSkyClioc both said it was perfect out. NOT!
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  • [05:07:13] <djlewis> going for more shut eye, later...
  • [05:08:14] <ds2> Hmmmm
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  • [05:22:06] <ds2> emeb: not quite automotive but mobile
  • [05:22:43] <emeb> ah - something powered by a ~12V battery...
  • [05:23:16] <ds2> emeb: yep
  • [05:23:34] <emeb> robot ATC. :)
  • [05:23:40] <ds2> sigh... this is disappointing (going through the mailing list)
  • [05:23:47] <emeb> ??
  • [05:24:22] <ds2> emeb: the whole thread about the TSC2046... I count a least 3 examples of that code in the Linux source tree
  • [05:24:42] <emeb> 3 separate drivers for the same HW?
  • [05:24:52] <ds2> no, 1 driver... 3 examples of how it is used
  • [05:25:00] <ds2> SDP, LDP, EVM
  • [05:25:08] <emeb> ah.
  • [05:25:23] <ds2> if they can't read that, I don't see what good is posting yet another example
  • [05:25:34] <ds2> actually I can add a 4th one... there are 2 SDP boards
  • [05:26:30] <ds2> emeb: but then i guess, that also applies to WiFi... *shrug*
  • [05:26:45] <emeb> two problems: 1) groveling through the kernel source is _haaard_
  • [05:26:57] <emeb> 2) Can you do it for me?
  • [05:27:11] <ds2> hard?!?!?!??!!??!!?!?
  • [05:27:23] <emeb> :)
  • [05:27:28] <ds2> it is a million miles easier then posting and waiting
  • [05:27:49] <emeb> you don't have the same mindset.
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  • [05:28:32] <emeb> I saw a good quote today ???It takes effort to be that lazy.???
  • [05:28:57] <ds2> heh
  • [05:29:47] <emeb> source: http://honeyrockdawn.com/2010/07/meadowlarks-indian-paintbrush-me/
  • [05:30:14] * emeb is OT again
  • [05:30:19] <ds2> =)
  • [05:30:39] <ds2> I need to find time to play with fun stuff like 3D printers and FPGAs
  • [05:31:01] <emeb> 3D printing is really on fast-forward now
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  • [05:31:25] <ds2> it is still pretty crude and filled with NIH
  • [05:31:57] <emeb> true, but in early stages that's good - genetic diversity.
  • [05:32:14] <emeb> eventually a good sol'n will float to the top
  • [05:32:19] <ds2> it also slows things down
  • [05:32:34] <ds2> they are running things with tolerances that'd make a machinist laugh
  • [05:33:04] <emeb> yep - the thermal expansion issues don't help either
  • [05:33:38] <ds2> thermal is down in then noise
  • [05:33:55] <emeb> and the surface jaggies are uuuugly
  • [05:34:02] <ds2> 0.000050/in is aluminum...bnut they areworking closer to 0.010 range
  • [05:34:28] <emeb> 10mil. hmmmm
  • [05:34:51] <ds2> 1mil is more typical machinist tolerance
  • [05:34:57] <emeb> I've got an ancient X/Y table from a probe station w/ 0.001 resolution
  • [05:35:18] <emeb> Made a pen plotter & scanner out of it in college.
  • [05:35:22] <ds2> regardless, it is fun toy
  • [05:36:00] <emeb> no doubt - magic.
  • [05:36:35] <ds2> should probally use the PWM project to control the heater for the extruder
  • [05:37:07] <emeb> could. bang-bang controllers are usually fine for things w/ long time constant like heaters tho...
  • [05:37:32] <emeb> but I suppose feedstock rates could benefit from finer control
  • [05:37:55] <ds2> true but now with a beagle, I can do it with a shell script ;)
  • [05:38:26] <emeb> ah - does he have a /sys interface for it?
  • [05:38:30] <ds2> use the free ADC on my LCD board as input, the PWM project driving a 2N2222/2N3055 pair as the PWM output
  • [05:38:46] <ds2> well, okay... I'll need a helper program to give the shell script control
  • [05:38:55] * emeb likes MOSFETs
  • [05:39:07] <ds2> I find MOSFETs annoying
  • [05:39:12] <emeb> oh?
  • [05:39:20] <ds2> Vthresh is too high too often
  • [05:39:32] <emeb> that would be an issue on 1.8V logic
  • [05:39:32] <ds2> and I am not in the mood to operate it in the analog region
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  • [05:39:51] <ds2> bipolar is cool with 1.8V logic
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  • [05:40:05] <emeb> yep - just get 'er > 0.7V
  • [05:40:18] <ds2> or 0.3V with a germanium ;)
  • [05:40:35] <emeb> hah - a Ge version of 2n2222...
  • [05:40:49] <RobotGuy> emeb: That ESC image is working for me and I can boot Android with it.
  • [05:40:59] <ds2> think elec. goldmine in your area had some surplus Ge transistors
  • [05:41:08] <emeb> RobotGuy: thank ds2
  • [05:41:16] <RobotGuy> ds2: Thanks. :)
  • [05:41:19] <emeb> ds2: those guys have a lot of odd stuff...
  • [05:41:28] <ds2> RobotGuy: need anything else? ;)
  • [05:41:33] <RobotGuy> I'm tired and need sleep. :D
  • [05:41:47] <ds2> bah PM ;)
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  • [05:41:50] <emeb> RobotGuy: I don't think ds2 can help with that.
  • [05:42:04] <RobotGuy> emeb: I would hope not! ;)
  • [05:43:06] <emeb> ds2: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G2299
  • [05:43:07] <RobotGuy> G'Night
  • [05:43:12] <emeb> l8r
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  • [05:43:41] <ds2> yep, that'sthe one I had in mind
  • [05:43:48] <emeb> love the case
  • [05:44:10] <emeb> downside is it'
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  • [05:44:12] <emeb> s PNP
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  • [05:45:09] <ds2> actually, with 1.8V, I am guarantee a min of 1.2V
  • [05:46:12] <emeb> http://semiconductormuseum.com/MuseumStore/MuseumStore_2N128_Index.htm
  • [05:47:30] <emeb> so with 1.2V you can't quite do a darlington.
  • [05:48:19] <ds2> a typical 2N2222 has a beta of about 50 min and I can probally source up to 1mA
  • [05:48:30] <ds2> and i think a typical beta is 100+
  • [05:49:01] <emeb> worst case - aren't they more like 150 usually? Or is that 2n3906?
  • [05:49:39] <ds2> probally depends on who's datasheet
  • [05:50:17] <emeb> min hfe on a 2n3055 is 20.
  • [05:50:28] <ds2> reprap extruders are about 10-20W @ 12V so switching about 2A max
  • [05:50:53] <ds2> so @ hfe of 20, that's 100mA Ibe
  • [05:51:19] <ds2> the 100 beta should be sufficient for a Ibe of 1mA from the BB
  • [05:51:30] <emeb> yep. Looks like you've got a driver ckt.
  • [05:51:41] <ds2> and since I am canibalizing dell laptop supplies that provide 18V, I need even less gain
  • [05:53:28] <ds2> I suppose a 2N2222 + a powerFET might run cooler
  • [05:55:23] <emeb> might not drop as much voltage across the output transistor
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  • [05:56:42] <emeb> well - time to close down.
  • [05:56:44] <emeb> gn
  • [05:57:02] <ds2> n
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  • [07:01:01] <_koen_> good morning all
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  • [07:01:39] <mru> gm koen
  • [07:01:43] <dm8tbr> mood groaning
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  • [07:07:41] <hari__> can anyone tell me, is any additional setting is required to play real time video on beagle board?
  • [07:09:17] <av500> set the real time jumper J12
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  • [07:13:25] <hari__> how do we can set J12 jumber?
  • [07:14:00] <mza> anyone know anything about when the beagleboard-xm will be ready?
  • [07:14:17] <av500> soon
  • [07:14:18] <av500> maybe
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  • [07:15:45] <hari__> Is it J12 or both pins of J2 jumper (there is no J12 on my beagle board)
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  • [07:18:07] <adj> aargh
  • [07:18:17] <av500> grah
  • [07:18:43] <adj> av500: got any spare real time jumpers? I would need one too
  • [07:18:50] <av500> hari__: there is no jumper to set
  • [07:18:58] <av500> you might want to ask a better question though
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  • [07:20:03] <ds2> if you don't have a real time jumper then you have the batch mode only version
  • [07:20:13] <av500> adj: here, the left one is hard real time, the right one is soft only: http://rocky.digikey.com/weblib/Delphi Connection Systems/Web Photos/2JM-G.jpg
  • [07:20:22] <av500> damn spaces in urls.
  • [07:21:11] <av500> and finally the 1080p one: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2002/09/04/building_your_own_pc/jumper.jpg
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  • [07:22:23] <adj> how about the frame rate for that?
  • [07:22:49] <av500> this one plays only unrated frames, the red one plays them all...
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  • [07:25:11] <adj> if the video is lagging it might also be that the real time jumper is not powerful enough. Then you should try jumper cables: http://www.boostercablefromchina.com/images/booster200small.jpg
  • [07:25:49] <Animule> man
  • [07:25:53] <Animule> so i'm cleaning off my server
  • [07:26:01] <Animule> ran across a disk image i made in 2003... Myst.IMG
  • [07:26:17] <hitlin37> what connecting these two jumpers means on BB
  • [07:26:47] * av500 thinks some people dont get the joke
  • [07:26:57] <hitlin37> hmm
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  • [07:27:18] <ds2> it means a very tenous connection given the size of the BB and the height most jumpers are at ;)
  • [07:27:21] <av500> let's stop before the 1st jumper questions hit the mailing list...
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  • [08:38:11] <ddd> anybody has built his/her own application on dsplink? would you please share the procedure for that? such as files need to be modified: .tcf, .tci, DIR, COMPONENT and else? comparing to dspbridge, it is little bit confused. thanks
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  • [09:13:57] <_koen_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4789780276/
  • [09:17:29] <dm8tbr> even features your coaster
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  • [09:19:08] <av500> ddd: I would recommend that you start from the dsplink and/or codec engine examples
  • [09:19:19] <av500> and modify them accordingly
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  • [10:12:27] <ddd> thank you, av500, codec engine examples? i already start from dsplink.
  • [10:13:55] <_koen_> there's an 'examples' dir in the codec-engine checkout
  • [10:15:28] <ddd> where is codec-engine?
  • [10:16:30] <Ralph_> hello
  • [10:18:30] <Ralph_> I tried dd'ing a narcisuss image onto an SD card and when I tried it on the beagleboard it didn't boot, any help?
  • [10:19:04] <hitlin37> pastbin d log
  • [10:19:15] <av500> Ralph_: and MLO? and uImage?
  • [10:19:58] <hitlin37> how can i give my application highest priority in angstrom
  • [10:20:27] <Ralph_> I only dd'ed the image file, the disk was blank before hand
  • [10:21:09] <av500> hitlin37: what for?
  • [10:22:25] <hitlin37> i'm running very cpu intensive app that too in real time...so i need my app to b of highest priority as of now
  • [10:22:55] <hitlin37> Ralph:did u followed partion steps well?
  • [10:23:24] <av500> no, he did not as he said
  • [10:23:43] <Ralph_> I used gparted and made a 4Gb ext3 partition
  • [10:24:03] <av500> Ralph_: http://beagleboard.org and follow the instructions
  • [10:25:19] <Ralph_> have done that before
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  • [10:25:52] <av500> hitlin37: pthread_attr_setschedpolicy(...)
  • [10:26:09] <aholler> hitlin37: man renice
  • [10:26:30] <av500> pthread_attr_getschedparam() and pthread_attr_setschedparam()
  • [10:26:42] <av500> but real time scheduling only works as root
  • [10:26:43] <hitlin37> ok,will try now,i once used but i think it works well only in real time kernel
  • [10:26:55] <av500> no
  • [10:26:58] <hitlin37> ya i'm in root
  • [10:27:03] <av500> it works well in std kernel
  • [10:27:06] <new2bb> does someone has idea ab't GST_TI_TIViddec_DISABLE=1, what does it mean??
  • [10:27:35] <av500> it disables TIViddec in GST_TI
  • [10:28:03] <aholler> hitlin37: a realtime kernel doesn't speed up applications, it gives you garanties for times when an irq is called and such, nothing more.
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  • [10:28:06] <hitlin37> Ralph:follow d partition steps from angstrom website,there is shell script for easy partition
  • [10:28:28] <av500> aholler: renice does anything these days?
  • [10:28:50] <hitlin37> yes i know.i'm jus saying setschedpolicy works well in RT kernel
  • [10:29:08] <aholler> av500: the same as nice
  • [10:29:44] <new2bb> Does that mean the gst command :gst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! 'video/x- raw-yuv,width=320,height=240,format=(fourcc)UYVY' ! TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=codecServer ! filesink location=/home/sample.264
  • [10:29:53] <aholler> don't know exactly what the kernel does, there are tons of other things to change/add priorities to stuff
  • [10:30:05] <new2bb> would not actually access the TIVideenc
  • [10:30:07] <new2bb> ??
  • [10:30:22] <av500> aholler: with all the scheduler changes in linux 2.6, I have no idea whether renice is still useful..
  • [10:30:36] <av500> new2bb: and this is a gst related channel?
  • [10:30:47] <hitlin37> new2bb ask in gstremer
  • [10:31:01] <aholler> av500: at least those priorities are still existend, so I assume something uses them ;)
  • [10:31:11] <av500> might be
  • [10:31:12] <Ralph_> do I need to create a fat32 file system?
  • [10:31:23] <av500> yes, you need a fat32 boot partition
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  • [10:31:42] <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [10:32:26] <hitlin37> Ralph, go to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [10:32:37] <Ralph_> can I dd the narcissus image onto the fat32 or do I need a second file system?
  • [10:32:59] <hitlin37> well follow it from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [10:33:26] <av500> Ralph_: why cant you read 1st and then ask?
  • [10:33:40] <Ralph_> because I've already read it all
  • [10:33:44] <av500> no
  • [10:34:14] <av500> you would know then that 2 partitions are involved
  • [10:34:48] <Ralph_> Well the links have told me do to it that way but I wasn't sure
  • [10:36:00] <Ralph_> I don't understand those gitourious links
  • [10:36:33] <av500> Ralph_: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [10:37:34] <Ralph_> ok I'll start again
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  • [10:52:04] <Ralph_> If I want to burn the narcissus image I've created which is ment for a 2GB card, when using fdisk should I calculate the number of cylinders pretending I've a 2GB card ?
  • [10:52:54] <av500> if you have a tgz file system image, then the partition has to be large enough
  • [10:53:01] <av500> but can be larger
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  • [10:54:39] <Ralph_> I'm not sure what file system the image is?
  • [10:56:17] <ogra> none, its a tarball with files in it
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  • [10:56:38] <ogra> you have to extract it onto a filesystem
  • [10:58:09] <Ralph_> ok I have 3 files: a 1GB img.gz a image-sdk.tar.bz2 and a image-beagleboard.tar.bz2
  • [10:59:04] <Ralph_> should I untar both tar.bz2 files onto the ext3 partition?
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  • [10:59:22] <av500> no, the sdk is for the host pc
  • [11:00:38] <Ralph_> ah ok ... so how do I get GCC on the beagleboard?
  • [11:02:31] <_koen_> by selecting the native toolchain in narcissus
  • [11:02:52] <Ralph_> ok thanks
  • [11:03:51] <Ralph_> koen - sorry I had to go in a rush the other day and didn't get a chance to say thanks
  • [11:17:36] <Ralph_> Ok now I've toolchain.tar.bz2 and beagleboard.tar.bz2 ... I'd guess I'd have to untar both of these onto the ext3 partition.
  • [11:20:35] <Ralph_> do I now need a specific set of files on the fat32 partition or would the ones on the beagle site do?
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  • [11:23:03] <_koen_> (12:59:04) Ralph_: should I untar both tar.bz2 files onto the ext3 partition?
  • [11:23:03] <_koen_> (12:59:22) av500: no, the sdk is for the host pc
  • [11:23:12] * _koen_ is getting a bit of a deja vu
  • [11:25:03] <Ralph_> Oh but I downloaded the toolchain this time as I thought you told me to
  • [11:25:54] <Ralph_> sorry ... this is my first time using a linux system ... I really don't have a clue
  • [11:25:58] <hitlin37> what option do i need to select to set cloack in my kernel menuconfig
  • [11:26:17] <hitlin37> 1) OMAP ARM 168 MHz CPU : 2) OMAP Clocks set by bootloader
  • [11:31:29] <hitlin37> how do i chk in my angstrom ,at what cloack i'm currently running
  • [11:32:40] <_koen_> cpufreq-info
  • [11:45:19] <hitlin37> Do MLO specify a clock frequency ?
  • [11:54:00] <hitlin37> thanks for cpufreq-info _koen_
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  • [14:50:07] <Ralph_> Hi, I'm trying to boot my beagleboard from a narcissus image. I have on the Fat32 partition: MLO u-boot.bin & uImage.bin and I've untared the narcissus image on the other partition.
  • [14:50:25] <av500> ok
  • [14:50:26] <Ralph_> when I boot I get this message at it hangs there: OMAP3530-GP ES3.0, CPU-OPP2, L3-165MHz, Max clock-600Mhz OMAP3 Beagle board + LPDDR/NAND I2C: ready
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  • [14:51:52] <Ralph_> am I missing something?
  • [14:52:17] <Redb3ard> Dunno.
  • [14:52:30] <Redb3ard> Oh, wait.
  • [14:52:39] <Redb3ard> I remember this...
  • [14:53:05] <Redb3ard> Dammit, emeb told me what to do. You have to fix the loader thingamajig
  • [14:53:11] <Redb3ard> Hold on while I find instructions.
  • [14:53:18] <emeb> Ralph_: that "I2C: ready" probably means you've got an old MLO trying to run a new u-boot
  • [14:53:39] <emeb> first, try booting while holding down the USER button - that will run your new MLO
  • [14:53:54] <Ralph_> ok
  • [14:54:00] <emeb> Then you'll need to flash a new MLO into NAND.
  • [14:54:37] <_koen_> I posted a boot.scr to the ml that will flash mlo and uboot
  • [14:54:46] <_koen_> for people wanting to automate that
  • [14:55:28] * emeb thinks that getting rid of NAND on the xM is a good thing
  • [14:56:03] <jacekowski> well, not for me
  • [14:56:04] <av500> _koen_: just do nand erase once, no need to flahs anything :)
  • [14:56:11] <Redb3ard> I don't use the nand, though I wonder if I should.
  • [14:57:24] <Ralph_> booting with the user button gave me a few more errors: ** Unable to read "boot.scr" from mmc 1:1 ** reading uImage ** Unable to read "uImage" from mmc 1:1 ** Booting from nand ... NAND read: device 0 offset 0x280000, size 0x400000 4194304 bytes read: OK Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
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  • [14:57:49] <emeb> Ralph_: the 'Unable to read "boot.scr"... is OK
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  • [14:58:15] <emeb> But 'Unable to read uImage...' is not - means you haven't set up your SD correctly
  • [14:58:33] <jacekowski> Ralph_: nand is faster
  • [14:58:39] <jacekowski> and well, i don't use SD card
  • [14:58:43] <jacekowski> i have all my shit on nand
  • [14:58:50] <Ralph_> should I remove the .bin from the uImage.bin?
  • [14:58:57] <emeb> Ralph_: yes
  • [14:58:57] <av500> yes
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  • [15:00:23] <Ralph_> Ok that errror has gone ... but I'm left with ... 0 bytes read Booting from mmc ... Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
  • [15:01:00] <emeb> sounds like your uImage is wrong (corrupted?)
  • [15:01:02] * _koen_ wonders in what world 4MB/sec is more than 14MB/s
  • [15:01:13] <_koen_> nand is a lot slower than SD
  • [15:01:30] <Redb3ard> Koen, if you were in the US, I think I could answer that.
  • [15:01:32] <_koen_> unless you buy those face chinese sd cards, of course
  • [15:01:38] <Redb3ard> That world is known as "Comcast".
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  • [15:02:28] <emeb> but NAND is soldered on top of the OMAP - proximity must count for something! :)
  • [15:03:19] <Ralph_> I will try untaring the image again. would trashing all the contents of my ext3 partition do? or do I need to format the partition?
  • [15:03:19] <av500> yes, the latency is less
  • [15:03:51] <av500> emeb: you get the bytes a nanosecond faster with pop
  • [15:03:56] <emeb> Ralph_: you shouldn't need to do anything to the ext3 partition. the uImage lives in the boot partition.
  • [15:04:31] <emeb> av500: SD data travels 2" further than NAND.
  • [15:04:40] <av500> see
  • [15:05:56] <emeb> going afk for a bit...
  • [15:07:28] <jacekowski> koen: ekhm
  • [15:07:41] <jacekowski> _koen_: decent nand can do 100M/s
  • [15:07:48] <_koen_> heh
  • [15:07:53] <_koen_> we're talking beagleboard here
  • [15:08:10] <jacekowski> well, it's onenand
  • [15:08:14] <jacekowski> that can do almost 20M/s
  • [15:08:22] <_koen_> it's not onenand
  • [15:08:30] <jacekowski> it's not?
  • [15:08:33] <jacekowski> i thought it is
  • [15:08:46] <jacekowski> apparently it's same as in n900
  • [15:08:51] <jacekowski> and n900 has onenand
  • [15:10:34] <_koen_> the omap3evm can have onenand
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  • [15:10:40] <_koen_> but the beagle is simple nand
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  • [15:11:06] <_koen_> and the kernel nand driver doesn't go beyond 5MB/s or so with these parts
  • [15:11:22] <_koen_> while the SD read speed is limited by the card currently
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  • [15:12:31] <josh1> hi all, anyone aware of any 1-wire bugginess? im seeing spurious bad data
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  • [15:15:27] <florian> josh1: In my experience there is a good reason for checksums using w1 :)
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  • [15:17:45] <josh1> im super new to 1w, do you do a checksum per data read?
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  • [15:26:15] <Ralph_> Ok managed to boot, the uBoot file was corrupted.
  • [15:26:35] <Ralph_> but how do I get gcc on?
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  • [15:29:19] <_koen_> select it in narcissus or opkg install it after the fact
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  • [15:30:41] <Ralph_> I can't opkg ... I don't have it connected to the internet.
  • [15:30:52] <Ralph_> do you mean where it sais SDK type?
  • [15:30:59] <_koen_> no
  • [15:31:16] <Ralph_> below where it says development packages?
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  • [15:35:07] <_koen_> yes
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  • [15:35:38] <Ralph_> thanks
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  • [15:46:36] <_koen_> florian: problems with ltg?
  • [15:47:24] <florian> _koen_: not really... just sent a mail to the list.
  • [15:48:01] <_koen_> A user reported angstrom to be down
  • [15:48:06] <_koen_> and it looks like it's down
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  • [15:48:17] <_koen_> or the TI proxy started disliking it
  • [15:48:31] <florian> _koen_: we got the broken disk replaced and the service people had to shut down the machine for a few minutes
  • [15:48:39] <_koen_> ah
  • [15:48:46] <_koen_> awesome news about the disk
  • [15:48:55] <florian> now raid is syncing and some things might be slower then usual
  • [15:49:12] <_koen_> is apache2 up?
  • [15:49:21] <florian> in fact it was just a matter of telling them when :-)
  • [15:49:32] <_koen_> ok, apache works again
  • [15:51:28] <florian> we got a bios update and a new disk within 10 minutes... that's nice
  • [15:52:29] <florian> when people start to use narcissus the sync takes way longer i bet
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  • [16:15:15] <Ralph_> I have gcc running ... thanks lads
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  • [17:35:27] <acarr> hi I need some help getting the linux headers for 2.6.32.11-l13
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  • [17:41:10] <acarr> i'm trying to build a driver but it seems im missing the linux headers, how do I install them for the beagle kernel?
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  • [17:41:57] <neo01124> acarr, are you using OE ?
  • [17:42:21] <acarr> no, ubuntu 10.04
  • [17:43:18] <acarr> i tired linux-headers-generic and linux-headers-2.6.32.11-l13 neither worked
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  • [17:44:24] <neo01124> what compiler are you using ?
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  • [17:46:39] <neo01124> acarr, you will have to set the env variables something like http://github.com/neo01124/omap3-pwm/blob/master/beagle-source-me.txt
  • [17:47:07] <neo01124> acarr, and use either codesourcery or OE afaik
  • [17:47:54] <acarr> do you mean to build the image? I used a prebult one off the elinux tutorial
  • [17:48:15] <acarr> i have the code sourcery comilers installed though
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  • [17:48:33] <ds2> morning
  • [17:49:25] <neo01124> acarr, in order to compile the driver
  • [17:50:09] <acarr> I'm trying to compile a wireless driver, but my usr/src directory is empty
  • [17:50:30] <acarr> i guess do i need to cross compile it on my desktop then move it to the beagle?
  • [17:51:00] <neo01124> yea you need to dwld the linux omap kernel and link it in your compile process
  • [17:51:13] <neo01124> acarr, let me find some link giving details
  • [17:52:05] <acarr> thanks, ive been searching for ages but not finding much
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  • [17:55:05] <b7500af1> I am using DSPLink, writing my own DSP-side code (several programs). I would like to run a GPP-side program that can, at run-time, decide which DSP-side executable to load into the DSP. No problem. But, can I combine DSP-exes? I.e. The gpp program needs functions from 2 dsp exes, so it combines the files (with some extra processing) before sending it to the dsp?
  • [17:55:50] <Crofton|work> we need #dsplink :)
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  • [17:56:06] <Crofton|work> b7500af1, you might try posting to n the TI bbs
  • [17:56:19] <ds2> Crofton|work: and a corresponding #dspbridge ;)
  • [17:56:20] <Crofton|work> I hear there management pays attention to posts there
  • [17:56:32] <Crofton|work> and #codecengine
  • [17:57:04] <Crofton|work> http://e2e.ti.com/support/default.aspx
  • [17:57:15] <b7500af1> Crofton|work, rgr, thanks.
  • [17:57:27] <Crofton|work> let us know if they help
  • [17:57:52] <Crofton|work> and mention the guys in #beagle suggested you try that primitive form of communication :)
  • [17:58:18] <ds2> at least they are using ASCII !
  • [17:58:40] <neo01124> acarr, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel at the very bottom it gives the exact command for compiling a module outside the OE framework
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  • [18:02:48] <neo01124> acarr, since your /usr/src is empty you should follow the whole guide to set up an env to properly buil uImage as well
  • [18:02:57] <neo01124> *build
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  • [18:05:53] <acarr> neo, the /usr/src is empty on the beagleboard not my desktop, sorry if i wasn't clear
  • [18:08:46] <acarr> neo, sorry if im slow at this but i'm really new to linux, do i need to build a new kernel to include the linux headers on my beagle? I can't install them in my existing image?
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  • [18:12:56] <neo01124> if it is not empty on ur pc then the commands should work just try it out
  • [18:13:28] <neo01124> acarr, ^
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  • [18:26:45] <acarr> neo, thanks for your help but I don't really want to build a new kernel, i just want to be able to build a driver on my beagleboard. when i use the make command it gives me : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32.11-l13/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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  • [18:28:26] <emeb> acarr: I tried to do native kernel module compiles on the BB a while back, but the necessary kernel files are not there.
  • [18:29:02] <emeb> you need the kbuild infrastructure and kernel headers, and the angstrom repo doesn't have those set up correctly for native compiles
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  • [18:30:24] <acarr> emeb, i'm using ubuntu 10.04 not angstrom, do you know if that does?
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  • [18:31:01] <emeb> acarr: I've been doing cross compiles for kernel modules on my fedora 11 system
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  • [18:31:33] <emeb> I point the kernel makefile at the kernel source from my OE builds though.
  • [18:31:38] <emeb> that seems to work fine.
  • [18:32:27] <emeb> So best bet would be to set up OE for an angstrom build and then use that as basis for further work.
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  • [18:36:52] <acarr> neo and emeb, thanks for the help. this is definitly going to take me some time to wade through. I have the network over usb working so maybe its not worth it to get a wireless usb adapter working
  • [18:37:52] <_av500_> acarr: of course you want to build a kernel, you just dont know that yet
  • [18:38:44] <emeb> everyone who uses linux eventually needs to build a kernel... just ask JWZ
  • [18:38:49] <_av500_> didnt you see it in your flash forward?
  • [18:39:27] <acarr> haha, man I'm getting in over my head here. I'm coming from 8-bit AVRs
  • [18:39:41] <_av500_> image 4 AVRs and you have 32 bitz
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  • [20:11:57] <Redb3ard> aszpain, modules are loaded with the modprove command.
  • [20:12:20] <Redb3ard> You'd insert some relevant line in one of the init scripts, though I'm not familiar with sysV stuff so much.
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  • [20:15:18] <aszpain> yeah Red but modprobe loads the modules but I want to load the module at boot time
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  • [20:21:14] <xMDKx> anyone here tried armedslack on the beagleboard?
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  • [21:16:59] <Redb3ard> MDK, I run Slack on the c4.
  • [21:17:14] <Redb3ard> Runs pretty good, just use the Angstrom kernel with the Slack minirootfs.
  • [21:17:41] <Redb3ard> Once you get that going, you can plug in a dvd drive, mount the iso, and do a full install.
  • [21:20:37] <xMDKx> Redb3ard: nice to hear that! I'll try soon (I'm testing some options)
  • [21:20:39] <xMDKx> thanks!
  • [21:21:55] <Redb3ard> Welcome.
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  • [21:22:38] <xMDKx> time to go home, []'s for all
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  • [21:25:08] <MostAwesomeDude> Lists for all?
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  • [21:40:28] <ds> Does anyone have insight into whether user space will gain access to ARM performance counters, similar to http://git.mansr.com/?p=linux-omap;a=commitdiff;h=5170038
  • [21:40:59] <ds> in the mainstream kernel, that is.
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  • [22:11:49] <bmorris> Does anybody know if it's possible to install Ubuntu on a beagle without an r232 cable or external monitor/keyboard?
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  • [22:12:59] <mru> magnetised needle and a steady hand?
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  • [22:15:52] <bmorris> mru: Now there's an idea
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  • [22:19:11] <Redb3ard> Wouldn't know how.
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  • [22:19:35] <Redb3ard> Even if it had ethernet, you'd have a hell of a time figuring out what the IP that it leases is.
  • [22:20:12] <Redb3ard> Of course, if you build you're SD image and load the software on it, say from a VM... it'll work, if you get everything right.
  • [22:20:25] <Redb3ard> It just won't be easy to confirm, and it'll be impossible to debug.
  • [22:21:13] <mru> IP is easy, just check the dhcp server lease file
  • [22:21:27] <mru> or ping broadcast and see what answers
  • [22:21:56] <Redb3ard> From my mac, it itself answers, and you never see.
  • [22:22:09] <Redb3ard> Had that trouble with an arm (non-beagle) board 20 minutes ago.
  • [22:22:21] <Redb3ard> Finally had to dig up a null modem cable.
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  • [22:22:38] <mru> that tends to be the simple option
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  • [22:23:36] <Redb3ard> If you guys like other arm boards, I really like this one... TS-7500.
  • [22:23:42] <Redb3ard> Has onboard ethernet, 2 USB ports.
  • [22:24:25] <Redb3ard> They're own linux kernel is rather lacking though.
  • [22:24:37] <mru> what chip?
  • [22:24:52] <Redb3ard> 250Mhz Cavium ARM9 CPU core (Faraday 526)
  • [22:25:02] <Redb3ard> Not nearly as powerful as the omap.
  • [22:25:08] <Redb3ard> But, I don't need much CPU.
  • [22:25:25] <robtow> I looked at the TS-7500. A bit underpowered for any signal or image processing, compared to the Beagleboard or the Overo.
  • [22:25:42] <Redb3ard> True. And for multimedia, there's no video port.
  • [22:25:58] <robtow> Actually, I *have* one. Did some exploration. It now sits in a drawer.
  • [22:25:59] <Redb3ard> But they're telling us $74 per unit in quantity... And that's a big deal for us.
  • [22:26:11] <Redb3ard> Cheaper than our own custom pic board by quite a bit.
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  • [22:26:44] <Redb3ard> I need a shit-ton of USB though, but no one really helps with that. I think we've found a decent hub... $10 in qty.
  • [22:26:45] <robtow> Redb3ard - all depends on your task & goal.
  • [22:26:54] <Redb3ard> It'll bump me up to 8 USB, which should be enough.
  • [22:27:15] <Redb3ard> But the stupid usb circuit board has no decent mount points.
  • [22:27:16] <robtow> Redb3ard - not allUSb devices are created equal. Be sure to test it first.
  • [22:27:41] <Redb3ard> Doing that tomorrow, they just came in. Need custom cables.
  • [22:27:55] <Redb3ard> Male A to plug into the TS7500, and headers for the USB hub.
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