• [00:15:52] <emeb> very quiet in beagle land today...
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  • [01:15:48] <djlewis> hi emeb , I was just beginning to wonder if irc logs was brkoe.
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  • [01:20:17] <emeb> djlewis: yep - not a lot going on.
  • [01:20:51] <djlewis> summer time
  • [01:21:03] <emeb> ...and the livin' is easy...
  • [01:21:05] <djlewis> heat index of 110.7 today.
  • [01:21:35] <emeb> looks like we got up to 102+ here
  • [01:21:50] <emeb> but of course the humidity is almost 0
  • [01:22:29] <djlewis> tempyep, our high temp was only 100.6 but luckily the humidity was down between 50 - 60%
  • [01:22:37] <emeb> probably too dry to grow bananas like sakoman & ds2 do
  • [01:22:55] <emeb> down to 50-60. Hah.
  • [01:23:13] <djlewis> you'd think Hah... :)
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  • [01:24:44] <emeb> NWS says our humidity is 8%. Heat index is actually lower than air temp.
  • [01:24:59] <djlewis> trade ys
  • [01:25:03] <djlewis> ya
  • [01:25:48] <emeb> :) no thanks
  • [01:27:27] <djlewis> as for growing bananas, you folk can make deserts into oasis, can't ya ;P
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  • [01:33:56] <emeb> yeah - we use water like it's going out of style here.
  • [01:34:24] <djlewis> i'm just checking observatory sites in your area.
  • [01:34:42] <emeb> I've got rock and xeriscape in the front yard, but some folks like to keep putting greens.
  • [01:35:12] <emeb> lots of observatories here.
  • [01:35:38] <emeb> kit peak, mt. hopkins, mt graham, lowell, etc.
  • [01:35:50] <djlewis> While I was out in Albuquerque the local powers were encouraging non grass yards
  • [01:36:12] <djlewis> no, ones a person can set up a telescope and stay nearby or at.
  • [01:36:19] <emeb> good on 'em. I think its silly to keep grass in this climate.
  • [01:36:27] <emeb> Ah - that works too.
  • [01:37:07] <djlewis> looking at conditions your skies are beautifully clear while the seeing is bad at present
  • [01:37:16] <emeb> local astronomy club has a site out in the desert for star parties.
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  • [01:37:32] <djlewis> sounds like my kinda party :)
  • [01:38:31] <emeb> here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=sentinel,+AZ&sll=32.867477,-113.079529&sspn=0.398521,0.476532&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Sentinel,+Maricopa,+Arizona&ll=32.819451,-113.194885&spn=0.099684,0.119133&t=h&z=13
  • [01:38:32] <djlewis> several clus there
  • [01:39:07] <djlewis> looks most excellent
  • [01:39:19] <emeb> about the only thing manmade you can see there are the aerostats on the border.
  • [01:40:12] <ds2> that's the kind of parties where you go and light up magnesium flares, rightt? :D
  • [01:40:17] <djlewis> those crossing lines?
  • [01:40:39] <djlewis> right ds2 and you would be the bell of the party after that ;)
  • [01:41:04] <ds2> got to shed light on it!
  • [01:41:11] <emeb> as long as its a _red_ flare.
  • [01:41:50] <ds2> do you see many red magnesium flares? ;)
  • [01:43:05] <emeb> kinda pinkish...
  • [01:43:46] <djlewis> emeb: that club is a bunch of roughians going out there.
  • [01:43:55] <djlewis> gota let pup out.
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  • [02:20:39] <djlewis> wound up bathing a 50 lb'er
  • [02:20:59] <djlewis> then be, i felt so dirty after.
  • [02:21:08] <djlewis> s/be/me
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  • [03:55:28] <mgalemin> hi all! can I use JTAG XDS510 with beagle? thanks!
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  • [04:03:01] <neo01124> can the xvds100v2 be used on linux ?
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  • [04:23:07] <mgalemin> ok, I can't use XDS510, only XDS510+ :)
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  • [04:36:59] <vijayb> Hi i m new to beagle board community
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  • [06:50:59] <lamp_> hello
  • [06:51:33] <lamp_> install ubuntu 10.04 but my usb kayboard not working
  • [06:51:53] <lamp_> how to resolve this problem
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  • [07:22:58] <hrw> morning
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  • [07:29:28] <av500> morning boys
  • [07:30:17] <Crofton> gm
  • [07:30:39] <av500> hows teh talks?
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  • [07:46:35] <Crofton> todays are more of a meeting
  • [07:47:00] <Crofton> and they are very traditional .com based
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  • [08:33:08] <mgalemin> hi all! I'm new to dsp programming and I have one question, ehat is the easiest way to check that dsp is ok? for example can I use next program on dsp side and on linux just check 8c801000 address?
  • [08:33:19] <mgalemin> volatile char *hello_ptr = (volatile char *) 0x8C801000; void c_int00(void) { *hello_ptr = 0x5A; for(;;); }
  • [08:34:16] <mgalemin> the main goal is to check that my simple dsp loader driver works
  • [08:37:01] <mgalemin> and one more stupid question, is c64+ dsp little or big endian? (I guess little)
  • [08:40:04] <hgs> hi all, is it possible to perform fsck on file system contained in MMC mounted as root?? I guess not, then how can I remove the stale (NFS) entries..with out removing the MMC card from the board??
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  • [08:43:14] <dm8tbr> hgs: I'm not sure, but I think it can do an force-fsck on boot. this is possible as long as / is still ro
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  • [08:45:57] <Track> Hi there people
  • [08:46:09] <Track> I have a question for you
  • [08:46:25] <Track> I have just received a beagleboard today
  • [08:46:44] <Track> I need a way to get a VGA signal out of it
  • [08:47:05] <av500> not so easy
  • [08:47:14] <Track> Beagleboardtoys sell a VGA adapter board but do not deliver outside US
  • [08:47:17] <av500> there is a thingy you can buy
  • [08:47:23] <av500> yes, this one
  • [08:47:32] <av500> much easier to use advi monitor...
  • [08:47:37] <av500> a dvi
  • [08:48:34] <Track> I'm a contemporary artist - the board is placed on a work of art with a VGA monitor inside
  • [08:48:58] <av500> I would have assumed you being contemporary :)
  • [08:49:07] <Track> So I need a way to purchase this board
  • [08:49:33] <hgs> dm8tbr: i guess /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot (angstrom) has the forcefck, but its not getting called ??
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  • [08:50:12] <Track> is there any american who is willing to assist me with this?
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  • [08:51:40] <mgalemin> what addresses can I access on DSP without MMU configuration (with default configuration)?
  • [08:51:51] <av500> TRM?
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  • [08:52:42] <av500> Track: there is also this one: http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/beagleboard/vga.php
  • [08:52:47] <mgalemin> av500: oh yeah, again RTFM... :(
  • [08:52:49] <mgalemin> :)
  • [08:53:58] <Track> Thanks av500 will check it out!
  • [08:54:00] <mgalemin> did anybody actually play with DSP side of beagle?
  • [08:54:14] <Crofton> there are some GSoC projects that are
  • [08:54:36] <av500> mgalemin: check what ppoudel is doing
  • [08:55:02] <av500> mgalemin: http://pramodpoudel.blogspot.com/
  • [08:55:20] <av500> but he using dsplunk and CE
  • [08:55:26] <av500> dpslink :)
  • [08:55:41] <mgalemin> av500: thanks!
  • [08:55:49] <mgalemin> again dsplink... :(
  • [08:56:26] <Track> av500 - yeah I saw that page, but guess what - I'm not very confident with making it myself
  • [08:56:52] <av500> mgalemin: what is so :( about it?
  • [08:57:03] <av500> that you feel the need to rewrite it?
  • [08:57:19] <Track> I was just hoping if there's an American here who might assist me with purchasing one. I wil pay in advance off course
  • [08:57:42] <av500> Track: most americans are still sleeping atm
  • [08:57:55] <mgalemin> I made reverse engineering of dsplink code but there is a couple of questions about MMU configuration
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  • [08:58:23] <av500> mgalemin: what is so bad about it?
  • [08:58:30] <Track> Right, I will be back tonight
  • [08:58:37] <Track> Thanks av500
  • [08:58:44] <mgalemin> av500: no, I just need to implement small dsp binary loader and I don't need all dsplink's magic :)
  • [08:59:16] <av500> mgalemin: the next thing you will want is to talk to the dsp, transfer data, message passing etc...
  • [08:59:18] <rs> when i run mkcard.sh it does not format the ext3 partition as it says it is mounted, i tried to format vfat manually and run it and it makes no difference, i also tried removing all the partitions and re-run the tool
  • [08:59:23] <av500> and you end up with dsplink...
  • [08:59:41] <mgalemin> it's not bad, it's a little bit big :)
  • [08:59:53] <av500> Track: there are also companies in the us that provide an us shipping address and forward the stuff
  • [09:00:07] <av500> mgalemin: so? the linux kernel is bog too, still you use it...
  • [09:00:09] <av500> big
  • [09:00:11] <av500> damn
  • [09:00:23] <mgalemin> no, all these things will be implemented using shared memory and interrupts
  • [09:00:29] <av500> orly
  • [09:00:36] <av500> now where have I seen that...
  • [09:00:46] <Track> av500 - you're very helpfull...I will look it up
  • [09:01:45] <mgalemin> I need to migrate project to the new platform and I dont have anough time to reimplement everything using dsplink
  • [09:02:20] <mgalemin> that is why I need quick and small solution
  • [09:03:45] <Crofton> I suspect the quick solution is use dsplink ....
  • [09:03:48] <av500> well, then I hope it will be quick...
  • [09:03:56] <av500> sofar, it does not look quick to me
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  • [09:05:02] <mgalemin> av500: will see :)
  • [09:05:27] <av500> mgalemin: weren't you looking for an XDS510?
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  • [09:07:26] <mgalemin> I have XDS510 and it seems that I need low voltage adapter for JTAG
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  • [11:24:55] <chrisUSB> hi, i am missing the gcc comiler arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc after running 'oebb.sh update'. shouldn't i have the file somewhere?
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  • [11:39:24] <koen> chrisUSB: if you want a compiler, you should so 'bitbake gcc-cross'
  • [11:39:30] <koen> s/so/do/
  • [11:42:24] <chrisUSB> thx... trying now
  • [11:43:22] <koen> chrisUSB: also have a look at the angstrom frontpage
  • [11:44:04] <chrisUSB> koen: having look at several pages on and on... trying always to figure out what belongs to which way of doing something...
  • [11:44:09] <chrisUSB> quite confusing
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  • [11:44:19] <chrisUSB> but I'm learning :-)
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  • [11:45:00] <chrisUSB> oh it seems bitbake loads a load of files; looks good...
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  • [12:35:10] <JDuke128> hi , i ve igepv2 card , i tried to use "bitbake console-image" on igepv2 and set machine=igepv2 , i got error "please set a valid machine in your local.conf , then i change it to igep0020 and tried igep0020b , whats wrong ? someone help ?
  • [12:39:05] <koen> JDuke128: use http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-setup-scripts and 'igep0020' as machine
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  • [12:44:16] <chrisUSB> damn, my bitbake gcc-cross was canceled because of download failures; does bitbake gcc-cross resume?
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  • [12:45:24] <drinkcat> chrisUSB: yes it resumes, no worries.
  • [12:46:31] <chrisUSB> drinkcat: gread to hear
  • [12:46:45] <chrisUSB> just call it repeatedly i guess
  • [12:47:16] <chrisUSB> ?
  • [12:47:21] <serp_> yeah
  • [12:48:18] <chrisUSB> ok its resuming; great technique
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  • [13:06:51] <JDuke128> koen , whats angstrom setup scripts ? i will install it on OE as a patch ?
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  • [13:55:03] <Greg45> hello
  • [13:55:11] <Greg45> i'm trying to use the dvi on beagle
  • [13:55:54] <Greg45> so i took last kernel public 2.6.35 rc3 but i have this error :
  • [13:56:03] <Greg45> omapfb omapfb: no driver for display
  • [13:56:12] <Greg45> and nothing on my display ...
  • [13:56:31] <_av500_> .35 rc3 is so obsolete
  • [13:56:40] <_av500_> there will eba rc4 soon
  • [13:56:46] <_av500_> be a
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  • [13:57:30] <Greg45> ok
  • [13:57:33] <hvaibhav> Greg45: you have to select displays in your defconfig. please make sure that you have selected PANEL_GENERIC and VENC
  • [13:57:41] <Greg45> and there is no patch ?
  • [13:57:46] <Greg45> ok i try thank you
  • [13:57:58] <_av500_> Greg45: why not use a known worling kernel?
  • [13:58:29] <Greg45> I don't know which kernel are working with DVI
  • [13:58:35] <hvaibhav> __av500__: Still I guess you have to select it in defconfig, I am in favor ofr latest kernel
  • [13:58:42] <Greg45> I have one but it doesn't work on all DVI
  • [13:59:10] <hvaibhav> we do not have default defconfig with all options enabled by default
  • [13:59:28] <_av500_> hvaibhav: well, as long as it is not dvsdk on .10 :)
  • [14:00:07] <hvaibhav> :)
  • [14:00:31] <Greg45> I try the linux omap 2.6 kernel too but it don't work
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  • [14:00:38] <Greg45> which one can i use ?
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  • [14:02:41] <_av500_> koen: current oe/angstrom kernel for bb?
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  • [14:03:02] <_av500_> and /win 4
  • [14:03:07] <_av500_> oops
  • [14:03:46] <chrisUSB> i finally, succesfully managed to execute bitbake uImage. Now I am confused as I somehow expected a new ext3-filesystem.. I suppose I am wrong with my asumption. Do I only need the new uImage to use the new kernel? The old ext3-partition can remain?
  • [14:04:19] <_av500_> yes
  • [14:04:24] <_av500_> but u need to put new modules
  • [14:04:42] <_av500_> unless it is the same kernel
  • [14:05:04] <_av500_> if u just changed config
  • [14:05:04] <_av500_> then old fs should be ok
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  • [14:06:42] <chrisUSB> the 'same kernel' only refers to the kernel version? my ext3-filesystem was created by narcissus online
  • [14:06:49] <_av500_> yes
  • [14:06:54] <_av500_> same version
  • [14:07:01] <_av500_> so that module versioning is unchanged
  • [14:07:21] <koen> _av500_: the current angstrom kernel should work with all dvi screens
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  • [14:07:40] <chrisUSB> so i could hope exchanging the uImage is sufficient...
  • [14:10:07] <Greg45> ok i will test it
  • [14:10:32] <Greg45> but I manage to have something with last kernel on dvi screen but not on my dlp
  • [14:10:38] <Greg45> omapdss DPI: Could not find exact pixel clock. Requested 23500 kHz, got 24000 kHz
  • [14:10:40] <_av500_> koen: of course, but what is current?
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  • [14:10:44] <Greg45> i got this error in the dmesg
  • [14:11:37] <koen> _av500_: 2.6.32, the one on the demo page
  • [14:12:32] <hvaibhav> enable DSI clock as a source clock, this should get rid of this
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  • [14:13:17] <_av500_> Greg45: 2.6.32
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  • [14:14:05] <Greg45> ok i will try with 2.6.32 after
  • [14:14:15] <Greg45> and i try with DSI clock
  • [14:14:26] <_av500_> hvaibhav: dsi pll here since 22 :)
  • [14:14:57] <hvaibhav> In that case you should get this warning message?
  • [14:15:47] <hvaibhav> opps, I meant you should not get
  • [14:16:16] <_av500_> i dont get it
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  • [14:17:26] <koen> Greg45: you need patches to make DVI work well
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  • [14:17:32] <koen> at least on 2.6.32
  • [14:17:34] <rsv> what is the gpio max debouncing time i can set
  • [14:17:39] <Greg45> I've got more error
  • [14:17:40] <hvaibhav> if you enable DSI clock as a source clock then we should be able to generate the required pixel clock and it doesn't throw warning message "omapdss DPI: Could not find exact pixel clock. Requested 23500 kHz, got 24000 kHz"
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  • [14:17:57] <Greg45> I ve got no more error
  • [14:18:08] <Greg45> so it is good but always nothing on my DLP
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  • [14:18:25] <Greg45> but I've got something good on my dvi screen
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  • [14:18:49] <amitk> on 2.6.32/33 you'll want to apply the dss2 patchset merged in 2.6.34
  • [14:18:58] <Greg45> The dlp says " out of range " where as it support very high resolution
  • [14:19:11] <Greg45> yes i already test this patch
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  • [14:19:16] <Greg45> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=patch;h=044d32ffbcb4a1d400088e3575508f46c0a9face
  • [14:19:21] <Greg45> i doesn't work too
  • [14:19:33] <koen> Greg45: try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/uImage-2.6.32-r72+gitrdc94d8db03fc6c5918960ebf069cfc81e5998665-beagleboard.bin
  • [14:19:51] <koen> Greg45: and experiment with the 'M' and 'R' options in dvimode
  • [14:19:57] <Greg45> ok
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  • [14:19:58] <koen> but try 'hd720' first
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  • [14:27:11] <chrisUSB> koen,av500,drinkcat: thank you for all your help; i succesfully compiled my new kernel and it runs on my bb!
  • [14:27:22] <drinkcat> great
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  • [14:32:34] <_av500_> chrisUSB: good
  • [14:32:48] <_av500_> write a blog post
  • [14:32:49] <_av500_> update the wiki
  • [14:32:55] <_av500_> tell the world
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  • [15:38:11] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: hey hey
  • [15:38:19] <RobotGrrl> prpplague: no, still :'(
  • [15:38:26] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: hehe
  • [15:38:27] <RobotGrrl> maybe eventually haha
  • [15:38:42] <RobotGrrl> made any new shields/addons prpplague ? :)
  • [15:39:12] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: still trying to iron the details on the showdog
  • [15:39:29] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: i have the Barker in the works but i'm still up in the air on the feature
  • [15:39:29] <RobotGrrl> :o what will that do?
  • [15:39:29] <prpplague> s
  • [15:39:34] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: LCD board
  • [15:39:45] <RobotGrrl> hahahaha what a creative name!!! :D
  • [15:40:05] <RobotGrrl> will it be OLED?
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  • [15:41:28] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: no, TFT 800x480 with 4 wire resistive touchscreen http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_ShowDog
  • [15:41:43] <prpplague> oops
  • [15:41:50] <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Showdog
  • [15:42:13] <RobotGrrl> Wow
  • [15:42:19] <RobotGrrl> that's a honking display!
  • [15:42:44] <RobotGrrl> and the BB can power it all? :D
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  • [15:43:15] <_av500_> prpplague: and barker?
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  • [15:46:20] <dm8tbr> RobotGrrl: I own a real life product that has pretty simmilar specs to showdog+bb and someone in here has quite an part on engineering it
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  • [15:49:24] <RobotGrrl> dm8tbr: Cool!!!! let's see the website! :D
  • [15:54:02] <dm8tbr> RobotGrrl: http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_5it/specs.html?country=us&lang=en
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  • [15:54:43] <prpplague> _av500_: communications board with CAN bus and RS-485
  • [15:54:53] <prpplague> RobotGrrl: yea, 800x480 is easy for the beagle
  • [15:54:54] * dm8tbr is working on the FOSS part of that thing, like making angstrom prettier, having a neat boot menu to choose several operating systems etc
  • [15:55:00] <RobotGrrl> dm8tbr: nice- I think my friend has one of those! :)
  • [15:55:18] <dm8tbr> it's actually very nice hardware
  • [15:55:28] <RobotGrrl> dm8tbr: it is very nice looking
  • [15:55:44] <dm8tbr> even has ttyS2 if you have a docking station and a level converter
  • [15:56:09] <prpplague> _av500_: i'm kind of stuck atm though
  • [15:56:14] <dm8tbr> helped me a lot to get my initramfs working (that's where I do the on screen boot menu)
  • [15:56:19] <prpplague> _av500_: just haven't gotten all the feature right yet
  • [15:58:27] <_av500_> prpplague: right, i remember now
  • [15:59:21] <emeb> prpplague: hey how's it going?
  • [16:02:21] <prpplague> emeb: its going
  • [16:02:27] <prpplague> emeb: just been swamped
  • [16:02:41] <prpplague> emeb: still trying to get over being dehyrdated last week
  • [16:03:48] <emeb> prpplague: yikes!
  • [16:04:45] <emeb> prpplague: got an inquiry from a guy who wanted to build his own FPGA board - I pointed him to where he could buy them direct from BatchPCB.
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  • [16:13:34] <prpplague> emeb: dandy
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  • [16:14:37] <_av500_> http://hackaday.com/2010/06/22/ti-makes-a-big-bid-for-the-hobby-market/
  • [16:15:01] * _av500_ notices choise of name
  • [16:15:19] <_av500_> will it run ubuntu?
  • [16:15:51] <emeb> prpplague: It'll run about $35 for someone to buy a bare PCB, plus another $35 for parts. Then there's the hassle of assembly.
  • [16:16:13] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
  • [16:16:19] <prpplague> _av500_: read the comments on that
  • [16:16:34] <prpplague> _av500_: we were just discussing the issue with the windows only software
  • [16:17:04] <mru> is that sw required?
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  • [16:20:42] <mru> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dependency_injection&oldid=260831402#A_code_illustration_using_Java
  • [16:20:52] <RobotGrrl> it almost looks like launchpad works with Mac ???
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  • [16:37:44] <JDuke128> is qnx able to play 720p video codecs ? did someone tried ?
  • [16:37:53] <JDuke128> their codecs as good as ittiam ?
  • [16:40:49] <mru> eh?
  • [16:40:53] <mru> qnx is an operating system
  • [16:41:38] <mru> if it has dsp support, ittiam codecs could be ported
  • [16:41:45] <mru> just send them some $$$
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  • [16:46:57] <JDuke128> QNX Codec Engine
  • [16:47:05] <JDuke128> mru , qnx comes with QNX Codec Engine default
  • [16:47:12] <JDuke128> it plays hd 720p i asked
  • [16:47:15] <JDuke128> by default ?
  • [16:47:29] <mru> you're asking the wrong question
  • [16:48:28] <mru> it will be as fast as whatever codec you choose to use
  • [16:48:31] <JDuke128> i c...
  • [16:48:54] <JDuke128> as far as i know , ittiam codecs fastest for omap3530
  • [16:50:28] <mru> they're fast, sure
  • [16:50:39] <mru> if you're in a position to buy them, ask for qnx support
  • [16:50:52] <mru> I suspect they either have it or will provide it
  • [16:51:19] <JDuke128> yea
  • [16:51:24] <JDuke128> i think qnx have h264
  • [16:51:32] <JDuke128> and they ve flash lite by default
  • [16:51:39] <JDuke128> i think its better then linux
  • [16:52:06] <mru> that's not a valid comparison
  • [16:52:35] <JDuke128> mru , maybe yes but
  • [16:52:40] <JDuke128> for small group of developer
  • [16:52:43] <JDuke128> qnx easier
  • [16:52:50] <JDuke128> its sdk is really good
  • [16:52:56] <mru> it's not a question of what's easier
  • [16:53:01] <mru> it's about using the right tool for the job
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  • [16:53:08] <mru> sometimes linux is right, sometimes qnx
  • [16:53:11] <mru> rarely both
  • [16:53:20] <JDuke128> did u use qnx ?
  • [16:53:25] <JDuke128> on omap3530 ?
  • [16:53:32] <mru> never on omap
  • [16:53:36] <mru> and hardly elsewhere
  • [16:53:40] <mru> but I know what it is
  • [16:53:44] <mru> it's a small rtos
  • [16:53:54] <mru> very different from linux
  • [16:54:11] <JDuke128> whats rtos advantage ?
  • [16:54:30] <mru> it gives you realtime guarantees
  • [16:54:32] <mru> linux doesn't
  • [16:54:56] <mru> if you don't have realtime constraints, linux is often easier to use
  • [16:55:09] <mru> and there's much more software readily available
  • [16:55:59] <JDuke128> realtime , it runs my apps on kernel ?
  • [16:56:05] <JDuke128> without memory mapping ?
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  • [16:56:13] <mru> I didn't say that
  • [16:57:16] <mru> realtime means there are guarantees on interrupt response times etc
  • [16:57:22] <mru> context switch times
  • [16:57:39] <mru> usually hard priorities on tasks
  • [16:57:44] <mru> for predictable scheduling
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  • [16:58:24] <mru> you can easily do realtime tasks with virtual memory and all as long as you can put a bound on page fault handling time
  • [16:58:35] <mru> of course it will be slightly slower
  • [16:59:03] <mru> which is why you very time-critical tasks are often done with a fixed memory mapping
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  • [17:00:17] <JDuke128> hmm
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  • [17:00:34] <JDuke128> when i write an application on qnx , it will be faster then linux ?
  • [17:00:45] <JDuke128> there will be no memory mapping ?
  • [17:00:48] <mru> not necessarily
  • [17:00:48] <JDuke128> on qnx
  • [17:00:54] <mru> realtime doesn't mean "magically faster"
  • [17:01:26] <mru> an rtos merely promises it will never go off and do something random, delaying other things
  • [17:02:51] <JDuke128> thnx for the infos
  • [17:03:02] <JDuke128> i got igepv2 card , its really good but
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  • [17:03:12] <JDuke128> not having as good as beagleboard support
  • [17:03:20] <mru> it's almost the same thing
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  • [17:07:38] <_av500_> JDuke128: if qnx runs CE, then you can buy ittiam codecs for it
  • [17:08:27] <_av500_> ce as codec engine
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  • [17:25:42] <JDuke128> ce ?
  • [17:25:44] <JDuke128> whats ce ?
  • [17:25:52] <djlewis_> you dont want to know
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  • [17:26:16] <_av500_> codec engine
  • [17:26:20] <djlewis_> unless it is NOT Windows CE
  • [17:26:48] <jedix> windows ce running on qnx? highly doubt that.
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  • [17:27:19] <djlewis_> :)
  • [17:27:22] <JDuke128> win ce running on qnx ? huh ?
  • [17:27:23] <JDuke128> lol
  • [17:27:47] <djlewis_> to many abbrev's
  • [17:28:13] <djlewis_> yeah I read that earlier but it had scrolled off my screen..
  • [17:29:34] <JDuke128> qnx codec engine
  • [17:29:49] <JDuke128> but qnx is expensive solution sometimes making me think more to use or not
  • [17:29:52] <JDuke128> on commercial
  • [17:34:45] * jedix doesn't like qnx
  • [17:35:59] <djlewis_> mmMmm, tuesday pizza :)
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  • [18:05:22] <koen> rtos is usually slower due to the accounting overhead
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  • [18:14:12] <mru> accounting isn't strictly required just because it's rt
  • [18:14:12] <xvff> i am trying to boot the beagle board using the angstrom distro by following the steps on the wiki, so far I see the following on the serial terminal http://pastebin.com/Ja89VpRC, since I dont have any monitor connected at the moment I dont know what is going on. Can anyone tell me why I dont see anything else in ther terminal?
  • [18:14:45] <mru> that's it?
  • [18:14:50] <mru> nothing more on serial?
  • [18:14:55] <xvff> nope
  • [18:15:00] <mru> check your power supply
  • [18:15:13] <xvff> i am using a 5V adapter
  • [18:15:25] <mru> is it good enough?
  • [18:15:34] <djlewis_> that might be the case of the older nand uboot
  • [18:15:41] <djlewis_> if I got the terms correct
  • [18:15:49] <mru> it says it's reading u-boot from mmc
  • [18:15:57] <xvff> ya
  • [18:16:04] <koen> yes, but xload 1.4.2 doesn't like newer uboot
  • [18:16:09] <koen> (actually the other way around)
  • [18:16:21] <djlewis_> right :)
  • [18:16:21] <mru> how so?
  • [18:16:29] <mru> memory setup?
  • [18:16:32] <koen> yes
  • [18:16:48] <xvff> solution?
  • [18:16:51] <djlewis_> xvff: try holding user button while releasing reset
  • [18:16:54] <mru> update x-loader
  • [18:17:00] <xvff> ok
  • [18:17:05] <djlewis_> then release user button
  • [18:17:23] <djlewis_> my user boot option on my rev C2 did not work.
  • [18:17:43] <djlewis_> had to flash later uboof to nand
  • [18:17:52] <djlewis_> s/uboof/uboot
  • [18:18:22] <xvff> djlewis, by doing that i see more stuff hapening :)
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  • [18:22:32] <xvff> that worked, why did I have to press the user button?
  • [18:22:45] <djlewis_> to force uboot on mmc to load
  • [18:23:08] <mru> it'll be nice when xm starts shipping
  • [18:23:13] <mru> no more nand to hold stale versions
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  • [18:25:46] <djlewis_> mru: does uboot stay resident or go away after kernel loads?
  • [18:26:32] <djlewis_> that might be a dumb question
  • [18:27:12] <jacekowski> it is
  • [18:27:37] <djlewis_> after thought tells me that uImage takes over
  • [18:27:44] <jacekowski> yep
  • [18:27:52] <jacekowski> bootloader loads kernel
  • [18:28:01] <mru> uboot serves no purpose once the kernel is loaded
  • [18:28:08] <mru> it's a loader, nothing more
  • [18:28:13] <jacekowski> and then uboot stays in memory
  • [18:28:26] <djlewis_> does it?
  • [18:28:31] <jacekowski> yes
  • [18:28:39] <jacekowski> but it's not used
  • [18:28:41] <djlewis_> why?
  • [18:28:44] <jacekowski> it's just tere
  • [18:28:46] <jacekowski> there
  • [18:28:50] <jacekowski> as dead piece of code
  • [18:29:07] <djlewis_> at least it is small
  • [18:29:28] <jacekowski> well i said it incorrectly
  • [18:29:37] <jacekowski> there is nothing that unloads bootloader
  • [18:29:43] <jacekowski> but that memory can be reused
  • [18:29:53] <jacekowski> after bootloader did it's job
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  • [18:31:27] <djlewis_> so my question was not dumb after all :)
  • [18:31:52] <djlewis_> got good answers
  • [18:34:50] <mru> you got wrong answers
  • [18:35:04] <mru> once booted, the kernel takes over _all_ the memory
  • [18:35:04] <djlewis_> oh no.... :(
  • [18:35:17] <mru> unless you told it to leave holes with mem=
  • [18:37:49] <mru> of course nothing explicitly overwrites the memory where u-boot sat
  • [18:38:07] <mru> it's treated as any uninitialised pages
  • [18:38:32] <djlewis_> so it can be used as needed by the system.
  • [18:38:32] <mru> talking about "unloading" something from memory makes no sense
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  • [18:41:58] <ds2> morning
  • [18:42:42] <ds2> mru: sure it makes sense if you are doing power management tricks like yanking out power from banks of memory
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  • [18:43:34] <mru> ds2: then you must of course make sure there's nothing important there first
  • [18:43:50] <mru> but there is never a reason to explicitely, somehow, _remove_ anything from memory
  • [18:44:04] <mru> (overwriting sensitive data is another matter)
  • [18:44:07] <emeb> not like erasing flash.
  • [18:44:52] <xvff> i know this is a dumb question, but what happens if the sd card is removed after booting from it?
  • [18:44:58] <mru> you die
  • [18:45:12] <mru> if your rootfs is on it
  • [18:45:29] <mru> if you merely fetched the kernel there and have the rootfs elsewhere removing it is safe
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  • [18:45:49] <xvff> ok
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  • [18:48:02] <xvff> is my root fs on the sd card? http://pastebin.com/LKQMWpuA
  • [18:48:19] <mru> you're not supposed to have to ask that
  • [18:48:42] <xvff> i know, but i am confused
  • [18:48:48] <mru> I'd imagine it is
  • [18:49:00] <mru> if it wasn't, you'd almost certainly know it
  • [18:49:39] <ds2> yanking out power does explicitly remove things
  • [18:51:45] <mru> no
  • [18:51:56] <mru> if you reapply power soon there's a good chance some of it remains
  • [18:52:09] <djlewis_> on sd a lot can remain
  • [18:52:41] <ds2> temperature is a big factor there
  • [18:52:42] <djlewis_> thinking of fs running on sd
  • [18:53:14] <ds2> but then removing power and re-applying probally does as well as the XM does in remembering things? ;)
  • [18:53:17] * ds2 ducks
  • [18:53:23] <djlewis_> hehee
  • [18:54:17] <mru> I guess they took that non-volatile storage removal a bit too far
  • [18:55:24] <djlewis_> its a feature, live data destruction for the paranoid
  • [18:57:37] <mru> what if it corrupts the destination address of some ip packet and sends it your enemy?
  • [18:57:45] <ds2> OTH, /dev/random should be more accurate now
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  • [19:01:00] <mru> hmm, more accurate random numbers...
  • [19:01:12] <neo01124> ds2, this code is giving a kernel oops around line 274 http://pastebin.com/VfZB4ez6 . can you take a look ?
  • [19:02:50] <ds2> neo01124: looking...
  • [19:04:10] <ds2> neo01124: why is 261 to 264 commented out?
  • [19:04:19] <neo01124> it is weird. it works with insmod foo.ko pwm9_enable=1 and doesnt work for insmod foo.ko pwm10_enable=1
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  • [19:06:34] <ds2> neo01124: are you sure it bombs out at 274, not inside of pwm_init_cdev? Have you checked to make sure the class and the user_buff gets properly allocated by the respective init functions?
  • [19:06:43] <koen> people still use insmod? I thought modprobe was the preferred way now
  • [19:07:01] <ds2> neo01124: I'd printk the value of the pointers to see if it looks sane... alternatively, look at the assembly
  • [19:07:11] <mru> koen: only since about 8 years
  • [19:07:23] <ds2> or since you got this far, and if you have an affinity to debuggers, get KGDB going
  • [19:07:29] <mru> also look at the oops dump
  • [19:07:33] <ds2> ewwww modprobe
  • [19:07:45] * mru probes ds2
  • [19:08:20] <koen> I keep forgetting ds2 worked for mvista :)
  • [19:08:36] <ds2> koen: and that is relevant how?
  • [19:08:42] <ds2> :D
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  • [19:09:11] <neo01124> but what i dont understand is it works for a particular input and not for the other
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  • [19:11:31] <ds2> neo01124: almost sounds like something is assuming a fix slot in the structure
  • [19:11:52] <neo01124> yeah
  • [19:12:01] <ds2> koen: do explain which of the many messages are you responding to
  • [19:12:42] <neo01124> it doesn't create the /dev/pwm10 entry but creates the /dev/pwm9 entry
  • [19:14:01] <ds2> neo01124: that'd suggest the index passed into pwm_init_class is wrong
  • [19:15:13] <neo01124> ds2, can minor numbers be generated dynamically?
  • [19:15:26] <mru> in some cases, yes
  • [19:15:35] <ds2> what he said :D
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  • [19:15:51] <ds2> since you are doing only a few things, I wonder if it might be easier to use a misc device
  • [19:16:16] <neo01124> misc device?
  • [19:16:24] <neo01124> and why the :D ??
  • [19:16:32] <mru> there's a major number for misc stuff
  • [19:17:29] <ds2> misc devices are useful if you don't need the full space of a major number
  • [19:17:36] <mru> for a single device it's easier to grab a dynamic minor under the misc major than setting up a full-blown major
  • [19:19:30] <neo01124> what i understand about major minor thing is that , 20 bits of dev_t=major and rest 12 bits=minor and minor corresponds to the number of instances of a particular major number. am i right?
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  • [19:22:27] <mru> sort of
  • [19:22:50] <mru> things you're likely to have many of have a major for themselves
  • [19:23:03] <mru> that's things like scsi disks and serial ports
  • [19:23:18] <neo01124> ok
  • [19:23:51] <neo01124> checking out the misc device
  • [19:25:11] <mru> things you'll only have one of don't warrant a major for themselves
  • [19:26:54] <djlewis_> 37.7C @ 47% humidity
  • [19:27:23] <ds2> growing high temperature mushrooms?
  • [19:27:32] <ds2> either intentionally or not
  • [19:27:46] <djlewis_> the edibles or hallucigens"
  • [19:27:52] <djlewis_> sp?
  • [19:28:01] <ds2> or simply wood rot?
  • [19:28:43] <djlewis_> every summer I have to pause and ask myself... Self! why the F#@& do you livve here?
  • [19:30:54] <ds2> what you need is to move underground
  • [19:31:41] <djlewis_> would be simple on my 5 acreas as it is all hilly. Just dig into one.
  • [19:32:16] <ds2> bury a box car
  • [19:32:23] <ds2> it'll be self cooling and heating
  • [19:32:51] <djlewis_> and how long would it take to rust through in this damp climate ?
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  • [19:33:11] <neo01124> djlewis_, you should come to delhi ;P
  • [19:33:30] <djlewis_> how is delhi neo01124 ?
  • [19:33:58] <neo01124> spinal tap like spontaneous combustion of humans is possible
  • [19:34:28] <neo01124> + water in the showers is burning hot
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  • [19:35:12] <djlewis_> neo01124: and that is the cold water?
  • [19:35:15] <emeb> djlewis_: I hear cargo containers are cheap - get 'em on ebay for ~$2k for a 40'
  • [19:35:36] <neo01124> djlewis_, yeah
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  • [19:35:38] <ds2> emeb: do you know if those cargo containers are bigger or smaller then a stock rail boxcar?
  • [19:36:12] <emeb> djlewis_: beats me. Probably about the same size?
  • [19:36:39] <emeb> spray the outside with some undercoating and stick it in the ground... Instant summer cellar.
  • [19:36:50] <djlewis_> amusing how when a beautiful woman walks in the door the married men jump to assist :P
  • [19:37:04] <ds2> oh right, the liquid pickup liner stuff
  • [19:37:17] <emeb> ds2: yep - should do the trick.
  • [19:37:56] <emeb> spray the inside with some expanding urethane foam for insulation too.
  • [19:38:22] <ds2> no need if you bury it well enough
  • [19:38:28] <djlewis_> then I could brag on my new summer home :)
  • [19:38:55] <emeb> or use it to keep your collection of old computers out of sight. :)
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  • [19:40:14] <koen> emeb, djlewis_: http://www.kijkrond.com/0607-306-w-containerwoningen.jpg
  • [19:40:28] <koen> in .nl we store students in cargo containers :)
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  • [19:40:44] <emeb> koen: that's pretty nice looking akshully.
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  • [19:40:55] <koen> it actually is
  • [19:41:05] <koen> it's insulated with airco
  • [19:41:05] <djlewis_> whoa..
  • [19:41:06] <emeb> gotta do something with all those empty boxes from China.
  • [19:41:07] <prpplague> it actually isn't
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  • [19:41:26] <djlewis_> instant neighborhood.
  • [19:41:29] <koen> good morning mr anders
  • [19:41:34] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [19:48:07] <emeb> trying to do bitwise math in Matlab is really annoying...
  • [19:48:23] <|nfecteD> now i've set up OE yet AGAIN on a dedicated machine
  • [19:48:34] * |nfecteD bitbakes nano
  • [19:48:43] * |nfecteD waits for it to fail horribly
  • [19:49:13] <prpplague> |nfecteD: hehe
  • [19:49:34] <|nfecteD> *sigh*
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  • [19:49:51] <|nfecteD> i only want the damn beagle to run a SNES and NES emulator
  • [19:51:02] <koen> |nfecteD: using the oebb.sh?
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  • [19:51:21] <|nfecteD> yeah
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  • [19:52:03] <|nfecteD> haven't tried that yet
  • [19:52:27] <|nfecteD> a few of the times i tried OE there was HDD space issues
  • [19:52:42] <|nfecteD> since i heard it might need like 120GB all in all or something crazy to build
  • [19:54:16] <koen> depends on what you build
  • [19:54:21] <koen> I have it on a 32GB ssd
  • [19:55:24] <|nfecteD> gmm
  • [19:55:26] <|nfecteD> err
  • [19:55:30] <|nfecteD> hmm even
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  • [19:56:50] <|nfecteD> seems to be running a hell of a lot faster on the dedicated machine
  • [19:57:38] <|nfecteD> even if it is an old 3Ghz Pentium 4
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  • [19:59:23] <mru> koen: 32G is still too big for my tmpfs
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  • [20:08:31] <koen> hmmm, which lib has atexit again?
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  • [21:01:23] <|nfecteD> Is the SGX driver in the angstrom repo now?
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  • [21:07:03] <koen> |nfecteD: has been for months
  • [21:07:30] <koen> sweet, firmware upgrade over bluetooth now works on my makerbot
  • [21:07:49] <prpplague> koen: is it using the trainer yet?
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  • [21:08:49] * mru wants a self-replicating bot
  • [21:08:56] <|nfecteD> koen: yay
  • [21:09:07] <koen> prpplague: no, not yet
  • [21:09:31] <koen> prpplague: once I finish the exams this week I'm going to get the trainer project rolling again
  • [21:10:12] <prpplague> koen: exams? thought you'd graduated by now
  • [21:10:19] <prpplague> koen: oh wait i forgot you got sick
  • [21:10:43] <mru> he's also busy being roger's bitch
  • [21:10:51] <prpplague> yikes
  • [21:11:07] <mru> that's his official title at TI
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  • [22:36:25] <Boardman> Is there a Linux Embedded Distribution that works well with the BB. Doesn't have to be free. I really don't want to build everything from scratch. Yes, I've looked around.
  • [22:38:44] <mru> download a narcissus image
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  • [22:55:35] <Boardman> Thanks, very cool site, I was looking for a distrobution that would let me cross-compile for BB. Was planning on buying a workstation dedicated for development.
  • [22:56:30] <ds2> there are commercialenvironments taht will let you do that
  • [22:57:10] <Boardman> Don't mind paying for stuff if it is reasonable ... say $300 or so.
  • [22:57:29] <ds2> heheh... the ones I know of are not in that ball park
  • [22:57:54] <Boardman> Oh? what is the price of admission?
  • [22:58:06] <ds2> donno, they make you go through sales
  • [22:58:16] <ds2> but they ahve a full blown eclipse based IDE
  • [22:58:33] <Boardman> who is "They"
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  • [23:05:14] <mru> I'm sure the likes of mvista will be happy to provide a full torture suite _and_ take all your money
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