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  • [00:11:10] <emeb> cwillu: been a while since I read any Greg Egan...
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  • [00:11:28] <emeb> don't remember what Diaspora was about
  • [00:11:44] <emeb> djlewis: much poking of sticks.
  • [00:13:10] <djlewis> I would have used a bigger hammer
  • [00:13:44] <djlewis> but now our cwillu has a new follower :)
  • [00:14:28] <emeb> another member of the robot-skeleton army. One can never have enough minions.
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  • [00:31:24] <cwillu> emeb, the opening chapter is where what's-his-name is being created, and gaining conciousness by generally bugging the citizens
  • [00:32:33] <cwillu> also, as soon as I can get the beagle-brain buddy working, my plan will be complete
  • [00:32:41] <emeb> Ah - thnx for context.
  • [00:32:53] <emeb> scalzi fan too, eh?
  • [00:33:09] <emeb> brain-buddy did seem like an idea whose time has come.
  • [00:34:05] <emeb> I'd get one - as long as it didn't have back doors to the high command in it...
  • [00:34:31] <cwillu> of course; the front door is quite sufficient
  • [00:34:41] <cwillu> (look up the "ai box experiment"
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  • [00:36:32] <cwillu> your firewall will not save you \o/
  • [00:37:15] <cwillu> "Hello!"
  • [00:37:15] <cwillu> "No one will believe you if you claim to be me-least of all me. Understand? Now go away!" This citizen
  • [00:37:15] <cwillu> had metallic, pewter-gray skin. Ve flashed vis tag on and off for emphasis; the orphan did the same.
  • [00:37:15] <cwillu> "No!" The citizen was now sending out a second tag, alongside the original. "See? I challenge you--and
  • [00:37:15] <cwillu> you can't respond. So why bother lying?"
  • [00:37:16] <cwillu> "Hello!"
  • [00:37:18] <cwillu> "Go away '
  • [00:37:20] <cwillu> The orphan was riveted; this was the most attention it had ever received.
  • [00:38:16] <emeb> interesting idea. Of course the human/human version can't approach the human/ai
  • [00:38:35] <cwillu> which is the scary part :p
  • [00:39:00] <emeb> exactly - if one assumes trans-human intelligence then the contest is by definition over before it starts.
  • [00:39:57] <cwillu> very nearly
  • [00:40:25] <emeb> of course, I've known some stubborn idiots in my time that could probably give it a run...
  • [00:40:50] <emeb> (in this case the smarter you are the more vulnerable you're likely to be)
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  • [00:43:11] <cwillu> indeed
  • [00:43:25] <cwillu> if you can credibly pre-commit to not doing it, you also stand a chance
  • [00:43:37] <cwillu> but it's really hard to find some way of doing that
  • [00:44:22] <emeb> convince yourself it would be the end of the world (which it could well be).
  • [00:45:09] <emeb> but in the end it comes down to another version of the ancient story of dealing with the devil. You can't win, so don't play.
  • [00:45:24] <cwillu> very nearly :)
  • [00:45:45] <emeb> good thing we don't have transhuman AI (yet)
  • [00:46:10] <cwillu> self-indication assumption :)
  • [00:46:40] <cwillu> maybe we're here because every other "here" already invented strong-ai, and killed themselves
  • [00:47:08] <emeb> yep - heard that one before.
  • [00:47:28] <emeb> Not sure if that's in Accelerando or not, but it sounds like something from that...
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  • [01:19:56] <cwillu> emeb, any multiverse has that sort of possibility, although it needs to be a bit more strict than I made it sound :p
  • [01:20:14] <cwillu> emeb, the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is my particular favourite
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  • [01:24:15] <emeb> many worlds seems so obvious
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  • [01:31:18] <trsohmers> Hello
  • [01:31:27] <djlewis> hi
  • [01:31:57] <trsohmers> Does anyone here have some knowledge on the revision B7 of the beagleboard?
  • [01:32:27] <djlewis> whats to know?
  • [01:32:49] <trsohmers> I just got one from a friend with a nonworking USB cable. He gave me a SD card with Ubuntu on it, and I am having some problems getting it started.
  • [01:32:53] <trsohmers> I am a total n00b.
  • [01:33:09] <trsohmers> I can't find much reference materials on the B7
  • [01:33:27] <djlewis> did you get the serial cable?
  • [01:33:56] <trsohmers> Nope.
  • [01:34:10] <trsohmers> R232, I am guessing?
  • [01:34:17] <djlewis> yes
  • [01:34:23] <trsohmers> Nope.
  • [01:34:27] <djlewis> great for bring up.
  • [01:34:47] <cwillu> the bbsrb for b7 is still available I think
  • [01:34:49] <djlewis> did you dnld the BBSRM from beagleboard.org+
  • [01:35:13] <trsohmers> you mean this? http://beagleboard.org/static/BBSRM_latest.pdf
  • [01:35:20] <djlewis> I believe the latest bbsrm is inclusive of earlier versions
  • [01:35:25] <djlewis> yes
  • [01:36:02] <djlewis> it covers bring up a beagleboard.
  • [01:36:34] <trsohmers> And I need a serial cable for it?
  • [01:36:52] <djlewis> let me put this bucket of ice cream up...
  • [01:37:37] <djlewis> hard to talk with a spoon in my mouth ;)
  • [01:37:55] <djlewis> what would you like to do with your B?
  • [01:37:58] <djlewis> BB
  • [01:38:13] <trsohmers> I am trying to get Android and Ubuntu running on it, for a wearable computing system.
  • [01:38:16] <djlewis> use it with a monitor , kybd and mouse with ethernet or ?
  • [01:38:22] <djlewis> ok
  • [01:38:45] <djlewis> you have a wearable display yet?
  • [01:38:52] <trsohmers> Yes. VGA input
  • [01:38:55] <djlewis> hmm
  • [01:39:05] <trsohmers> And I am planning on ordering this: http://beagleboardtoys.com/shop/catalog/details?shop_param=aid%3DBB-vgab%26
  • [01:39:09] <djlewis> only built in s-video and dvi
  • [01:39:17] <djlewis> might do it
  • [01:39:45] <djlewis> well, bringing up your BB is easier with a serial connection to a pc.
  • [01:39:56] <trsohmers> What about USB?
  • [01:39:57] <djlewis> you get to pass boot args and watch boot process
  • [01:40:11] <djlewis> you can use USB but I have no personal experience there.
  • [01:40:28] <trsohmers> And I can
  • [01:40:28] <djlewis> still might need serial to get it to boot
  • [01:40:29] <trsohmers> I do have Micro and mini USB cables available, the cable that was given to me was a USB female to the input on the BB
  • [01:40:38] <trsohmers> and I can't find any USB male to males
  • [01:40:53] <trsohmers> OK.
  • [01:41:55] <djlewis> you can use the BB revB as a gadget with its otg port
  • [01:41:57] <trsohmers> What is the USB input for the BB?
  • [01:42:07] <djlewis> type a mini
  • [01:42:58] <trsohmers> Ok
  • [01:43:30] <trsohmers> One second, I think I have one lying around.
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  • [01:53:13] <djlewis> interesting, the B7 schematic has the DC power jack wired correctly.
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  • [02:03:40] <trsohmers> What do you mean, DJ?
  • [02:04:06] <djlewis> in the later schematics the wiring is wrong.
  • [02:04:22] <djlewis> But the +5vDC is on center pin and gnd to outside sleeve
  • [02:04:29] <djlewis> on all beagleboards
  • [02:05:08] <djlewis> btw: it means 5vdc or between 4.75 - 5.25 vDc
  • [02:05:29] <djlewis> never trust walwart marked voltage.
  • [02:06:20] <ds2> when in doubt put it through a full test - open circuit, and fully loaded
  • [02:06:27] <ds2> then check for ripple on a scope
  • [02:06:41] <djlewis> trsohmers: you might grab this for the original B7: http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/BBSRM_7_2_0.pdf
  • [02:06:41] <trsohmers> OK
  • [02:06:57] <djlewis> YEP, WHAT ds2 SAID :)
  • [02:07:06] <djlewis> that damn caps lock
  • [02:08:26] <djlewis> I cant vouch for the site I linked though
  • [02:08:38] <trsohmers> Also, this DVI-D looks a lot like HDMI.......
  • [02:08:54] <djlewis> it is hdmi
  • [02:09:06] <djlewis> but connects to dvi on monitor
  • [02:10:02] <trsohmers> So could I plug this into the HDMI port on my monitor?
  • [02:10:18] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
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  • [02:10:24] <trsohmers> Ok
  • [02:10:30] <GrizzlyAdams> it just lacks the audio signals, thus can't be called hdmi
  • [02:11:05] <trsohmers> Ok
  • [02:12:40] <djlewis> hi GrizzlyAdams
  • [02:13:17] <GrizzlyAdams> hey djlewis
  • [02:13:47] <GrizzlyAdams> trsohmers: theres some other nitpicking involved, but for all intents and purposes (related to video) hdmi and dvi are the same
  • [02:14:56] <ds2> and the no HDCP
  • [02:15:20] <GrizzlyAdams> well, why would we want hdcp on beagle anyway?
  • [02:20:04] <trsohmers> Im back
  • [02:20:06] <trsohmers> Hi
  • [02:24:10] <trsohmers> http://beagleboardtoys.com/shop/catalog/details?shop_param=aid%3DBB-vgab%26
  • [02:24:18] <trsohmers> Oops
  • [02:24:20] <trsohmers> http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/BBSRM_7_2_0.pdf
  • [02:24:34] <trsohmers> On the bottom of page 33, it says that HDMI is not supported on the beagleboard........
  • [02:24:39] <trsohmers> While you all said it does.
  • [02:25:37] <djlewis> so it does.
  • [02:25:56] <trsohmers> so it does?
  • [02:26:06] <ds2> that is correct
  • [02:26:10] <ds2> HDM is not supported
  • [02:26:18] <ds2> DVI using a HDMI connector is
  • [02:26:40] <trsohmers> OK
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  • [02:26:55] <ds2> HDMI implies a lot of things
  • [02:27:12] <trsohmers> So all I can do is power it on for now. Going to do a lot of shopping tomorrow.
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  • [02:39:40] <_av500_> gm
  • [02:40:05] <ds2> morning
  • [02:40:59] <djlewis> hi _av500_
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  • [04:20:52] <Beagle8> howdy
  • [04:21:49] <Beagle8> i haven't used irc in a very long time... wow, flashbacks... anyway, i just finished my project to make a beagle oled module for the beagle board
  • [04:22:17] <Beagle8> i posted a blog at antipastohw.blogspot.org, and i'm calling the project the "BeagleTouch"
  • [04:24:17] <ds2> the GoodTouch? :D
  • [04:24:37] <ds2> uh....
  • [04:24:42] <Beagle8> ha, yeah
  • [04:24:47] <ds2> that link of yours
  • [04:25:03] <Beagle8> darn it, i meant .com
  • [04:25:04] <ds2> are you a spammer?
  • [04:25:06] <ds2> Oh
  • [04:25:12] <Beagle8> no, i'm just stupid... sorry about that
  • [04:26:09] <ds2> is that really an OLED module? seems big
  • [04:27:16] <Beagle8> yep, genuine oled... that thing wasn't easy to find (480?272 resolution for now)
  • [04:27:43] <ds2> wow... most OLED modules are much smaller... how much was it?
  • [04:28:54] <GrizzlyAdams> theres always that sony 1024x768 oled screen thats like 9"
  • [04:29:03] <Beagle8> i had to promise my first born child :-) actually i was only able to get 5 screens... i'm trying to find more. pain in the arse.
  • [04:29:49] <ds2> heh
  • [04:30:20] <Beagle8> i blew up 2 of them just trying to get the darned thing to work. fastest $1,000 i ever spent :-(
  • [04:30:48] <ds2> You need to slow down... prehaps a trip to vegas? :D
  • [04:31:42] <ds2> what's you reason for OLED interest?
  • [04:32:48] <Beagle8> ha, yeah, too many red bulls rihgt now. i dunno, i like the viewing angle on oleds
  • [04:33:59] <Beagle8> white and green on black font looks much better too... ala matrix screensaver
  • [04:36:02] <ds2> how well does it work at noon, outside, in direct sunlight?
  • [04:36:12] <GrizzlyAdams> i can't wait for a 7" 1080p IPS screen
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  • [04:36:28] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: how goes your projector setup?
  • [04:36:35] <GrizzlyAdams> i gave up
  • [04:36:47] <GrizzlyAdams> car now has a archos 5 in it
  • [04:37:01] <ds2> oh hahahaha
  • [04:37:22] <GrizzlyAdams> also, car was totaled, so i got a new car
  • [04:37:35] <ds2> Oh
  • [04:37:55] <ds2> was that because you were messing with the beagle while driving? :D
  • [04:38:01] <GrizzlyAdams> nah
  • [04:38:06] <Beagle8> ha yeah... give me another couple hours before the ips works. wishful thinking...
  • [04:38:32] <GrizzlyAdams> some crazy lady was driving herself to the hospital and lost brakes, so she hit me going 55mph, when i was stopped
  • [04:39:19] <GrizzlyAdams> pushed my car 8ft, into an suv, and both my car and the suv 15 ft beyond that
  • [04:39:35] <_av500_> GrizzlyAdams: wow
  • [04:42:17] <GrizzlyAdams> ripped my glasses off my face, face plate off my radio, the tow bracket on the suv impaled my radiator, and in total did about $4k of damage to the car, i got a $3k check (the book value of the car was $1500)
  • [04:42:43] <GrizzlyAdams> i should have complained that my neck hurt or something
  • [04:42:49] <_av500_> yeah
  • [04:43:26] <GrizzlyAdams> guy in front of me had minimal damage to his suv, but got $15k in medical payments + compensation for not being able to work
  • [04:43:57] <_av500_> and you could not get the same medical comp? :)
  • [04:44:12] <GrizzlyAdams> i wasn't in any pain
  • [04:44:27] <_av500_> but the face plate!
  • [04:44:30] <GrizzlyAdams> atleast not till 3 days after the accident
  • [04:45:45] <_av500_> i hope the A5 did not get hurt!
  • [04:46:08] <GrizzlyAdams> didn't own it at that point, it came after the wreck
  • [04:46:54] <kblin> GrizzlyAdams: I think it's medically impossible to prove if the claimed whiplash injury is real or psychosomatic
  • [04:47:24] <kblin> so it's best to always have one if someone runs into your car
  • [04:47:51] <GrizzlyAdams> heh
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  • [05:49:47] <_av500_> wow, giving linus a nexus one was a good move by google
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  • [06:08:12] <ds2> ?
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  • [06:12:59] <_av500_> suspend blockers discussion
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  • [06:49:39] <gst-kaps> On angstrom I am getting cmem not found , any clue ?
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  • [06:55:42] <_av500_> module not loaded?
  • [06:55:54] <_av500_> or module not found
  • [06:56:09] <_av500_> cmem.ko
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  • [07:02:00] <gst-kaps> _av500_:on angstrom do I need to load cmem explicitly ?
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  • [07:04:08] <ds2> oh
  • [07:05:08] <_av500_> gst-kaps: i have no idea
  • [07:05:27] <_av500_> where is your error msg from?
  • [07:05:36] <_av500_> trying to load cmem or to use it?
  • [07:08:02] <gst-kaps> _av500_:when I run, gst-launch -v videotestsrc num-buffers=2000??! TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=codecServer??! filesink location=sample.264
  • [07:09:36] <gst-kaps> so essentially while using cmem, I assumed cmem is loaded in angstrom
  • [07:10:02] <_av500_> gst-kaps: right
  • [07:10:07] <_av500_> so it is not loaded
  • [07:10:18] <_av500_> try to find a loadmodules.sh
  • [07:10:33] <_av500_> thats how it is normally callled
  • [07:10:41] <_av500_> but i dunno how angstrom handles that
  • [07:10:49] <_av500_> koen: ^^^
  • [07:11:02] <gst-kaps> ah , thats what even I am unaware of
  • [07:11:51] <gst-kaps> Yeah koen should have the answer
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  • [07:13:05] <gst-kaps> even the codecserver is not found
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  • [07:24:04] <_av500_> is that a prebuilt image?
  • [07:24:14] <_av500_> if not you might need to get stuff from ti website
  • [07:24:19] <_av500_> e.g. the codecs
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  • [07:28:58] <gst-kaps> _av500_: yes its prebuild stuff from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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  • [07:48:09] <hrw> morning
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  • [07:58:47] <_av500_> gm
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  • [08:13:22] <dm8tbr> gm
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  • [08:31:00] <dm8tbr> oh, you're quite close then ;)
  • [08:31:09] <dm8tbr> bb-matrix again?
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  • [08:57:32] <_av500_> dm8tbr: yup at ff booth
  • [08:57:34] <_av500_> u here?
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  • [09:02:20] <_av500_> processing now... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqkVowgHuI
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  • [10:08:38] <new2bb> Hi i m getting This is very bad Enlightement SEGV'd, while running opkg upgrade
  • [10:08:57] <new2bb> on BB C3
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  • [10:30:14] <dm8tbr> _av500_: if you sponsor the travel I might pop by :)
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  • [10:36:25] <dm8tbr> ah, now it loaded the video, really nice _av500_
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  • [10:40:27] <BbMaj7> Hi folks. My revC4 board boots the Angstrom kernel. I followed the procedures in various wikis, but I don't where the MLO, u-boot.bin, etc. files at the start of the bootload process came from. Any resources on this?
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  • [10:41:42] <BbMaj7> Any know where SPRUFD6 TI document on boot ROM went to?
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  • [11:18:04] <dm8tbr> _av500_: and your 4k version of BBB didn't shame them into providing fixed files?
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  • [11:43:58] <Qball> hmm if I check u-boot source (from oe) then the i2c-2 should be routed to ping 23-24
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  • [12:37:57] <Qball> this is realy weird.. on my rev b7, adding the pull up resistors makes it owrk
  • [12:37:59] <Qball> but not on new one
  • [12:44:54] <Seb000156> Hello, I am a bit lost in OE, I try to build linux-omap-psp-2.6.32 and them omap3-console-image, but when I look into /boot, I got uImage-2.6.33. I don't understand why...
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  • [13:05:31] <akumar> when i am playing gst-launch on beagle-board (angstrom) using ssh root. then it hang the other ssh root.
  • [13:06:02] <akumar> pipeline: gst-launch filesrc location=BigBuckBunny_640x360.m4v ! qtdemux name=demux demux.video_00 ! TIViddec2 ! xvimagesink
  • [13:06:02] <akumar>
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  • [13:26:22] <Qball> aaah working..
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  • [13:29:05] <xvff> ood
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  • [13:58:19] <espindola> hello
  • [13:58:31] <espindola> trying to buy a board in Canada
  • [13:58:55] <espindola> but I got a message saying I cannot because of "U.S. export controls"
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  • [13:58:58] <espindola> :-)
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  • [13:59:21] <espindola> something wrong ond the digi-key setup?
  • [14:01:07] <dm8tbr> espindola: it has been mentioned before. seems like they need to fix that and it will take a few days
  • [14:01:17] <espindola> :-(
  • [14:01:40] <espindola> hope the us doesn't buy the full batch :-)
  • [14:01:42] <espindola> thanks
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  • [14:13:29] <hgs> hi all, in the ti gsreamer video sink plugin code ../ticodecplugin/src/gsttidmaivideosink.c, when resizer is used , accelframecopy is disable by default. So the resizer cannot be used along with accelframecopy?
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  • [14:13:45] <supjigator> 01Apac
  • [14:14:14] <supjigator> Oops. Are the XM designs availble?
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  • [14:15:14] <Qball> hmm oss audio output is not owrking
  • [14:15:19] <Qball> I only hear crackling
  • [14:16:53] <akumar> i am using pipeline: gst-launch filesrc location=BigBuckBunny_640x360.m4v ! qtdemux name=demux demux.video_00 ! TIViddec2 ! xvimagesink on beagle-board (angstrom)
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  • [14:17:27] <akumar> but it hang the other ssh root. please suggest me.
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  • [14:23:58] <Seb000156> Hello, I am a bit lost in OE, I try to build linux-omap-psp-2.6.32 and them omap3-console-image, but when I look into /boot, I got uImage-2.6.33. I don't understand why... can someone explain me?
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  • [14:34:22] <brolin> hello
  • [14:35:06] <brolin> a question, when try to install a package with opkg in angstrom get this
  • [14:35:07] <brolin> Collected errors: * opkg_conf_init: Creating temp dir /tmp/opkg-FzbXTh failed: No such file or directory.
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  • [14:36:12] <brolin> what happend there?
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  • [14:45:14] <neo01124> how to resolve this OMAP3 beagleboard.org # bootm 0x80300000
  • [14:45:14] <neo01124> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
  • [14:45:14] <neo01124> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
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  • [15:35:12] <vijay> How do I become a member of the Beagle google groups, my request seems pending
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  • [16:04:36] <ghexpert> I'm not using Linux on my BeagleBoard C4. All my attempts to access the USBTLL registers have been unsuccessful, e.g "md 48062000 1" in u-boot will hang the board. I've tried various settings for the PRCM registers, but nothing seems to help. Where can I find some code that does a known good sequence? TIA:)
  • [16:05:16] <aholler_> u-boot source, linux-source
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  • [16:06:11] <ghexpert> "grep -ir tll u-boot" in the u-boot source reveals nothing specific to omap or beagle.
  • [16:07:37] <aholler> I don't know if omap-usb already working in u-boot, but you can just have a look at the drivers in the linux kernel
  • [16:07:44] <ghexpert> Which is the best known good repository for C4?
  • [16:08:32] <aholler> there is a linux-omap repo at git.kernel.org
  • [16:12:10] <ghexpert> Got it: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=0ab0c26db4dd063c99966612ca210c80ec6f3092;hb=HEAD we'll see what I find, looks like I might be after usb_musb_init()
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  • [16:16:08] <ghexpert> nope, that's the mentor bit, I think what I need should be in http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/host/ehci-omap.c;h=722cf903485d6ac2c2a2b1e251378a270f7ba0ad;hb=f236549cc1a69f9e773b959e02bbc9b1c7b52b3d
  • [16:19:47] <xvff> can someone please explain what is USBTLL?
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  • [16:38:28] <ghexpert> TLL=Tranceiverless Link Logic. I can't see any magic in ehci-omap.c to enable this. It would be really good if someone could tell me what needs to be done before the registers can be accessed. (Shame the manual is not clearer on this point.)
  • [16:38:46] <tomcat_> Hello. I would like to order a Beagleboard XM from Digikey but they do not seem to be shipping to Europe. Is this intentional?
  • [16:39:05] <ghexpert> What about mouser?
  • [16:39:54] <tomcat_> i could not find it in mousers inventory (only the standard beagle)
  • [16:41:00] <ghexpert> You're right. Did you talk to them?
  • [16:43:13] <tomcat_> no - i contacted neither digikey nor mouser directly yet. i first wanted to ask here if you are aware of any principle export issues or something like that with beagleXM
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  • [16:44:32] <tomcat_> i remember that i had to give a statement what i'm going to use them for to digikey when ordering my original beagles. but this time i get not asked anything but the website just tells me that they are not shipping to my place
  • [16:44:51] <adj> nah, digikey is just having some issues again
  • [16:45:10] <adj> they refuse to ship xm even to canada
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  • [16:46:38] <tomcat_> is that just digikey or are there some us export regulations? i know that there is something like that e.g. for crypto hardware but for something like the beagleboard?
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  • [16:47:56] <adj> well, digikey is happy to send you beagle rev c4 but if you try to order xm you will hit the export restrictions problem
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  • [16:49:09] <adj> and as xm is just more or less old beagle + ethernet and some other bells and whistles I can't think of any reason why it would be restricted more than rev c
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  • [16:49:38] <aholler> restricted by availability?
  • [16:49:47] <tomcat_> ok - i'll try to contact digikey then
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  • [16:50:11] <mykhal> maybe because it contains hot new CPU, so they want to prevent KIRF makers ?
  • [16:50:19] <tomcat_> no restricted because i would like it shipped to Europe. they only seem to ship to the us
  • [16:50:25] <mykhal> s/CPU/SoC/
  • [16:50:50] <aholler> I assume you should wait until the end of this month, when the first bb-xm will be shipped
  • [16:51:35] <tomcat_> yeah guess so. but since they are expected to sell out quickly this whole situation is not that great for me
  • [16:52:12] <tomcat_> i can't really understand what the reasons are to treat Europe (or non-US countries) this way
  • [16:52:29] <tomcat_> btw: is the XM also expected to be available via mouser?
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  • [16:54:18] <mykhal> tomcat_: you can use something like shipito service, to workaround this
  • [16:54:21] <aholler> someone has to calc prices, taxes and such, so you should give them some days. bb-xm was announced at 7.
  • [16:55:26] <aholler> you could try traveling to berlin, maybe they have one ;)
  • [16:56:18] <RoHS> is it necessary to do these steps before loading software onto an SD card? http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToConnectUpBeagleBoard
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  • [17:21:25] <|nfecteD> RoHS: what were you thinking of skipping?
  • [17:22:00] <RoHS> just the initial test and going straight to putting software on the SD card.
  • [17:22:05] <RoHS> my mac doesn't have a serial port, nor do I have the correct AT/Everex cable.
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  • [17:23:33] <|nfecteD> RoHS: i suggest you get a hold of a USB to serial and butcher an old PC for that everex cable
  • [17:23:54] <|nfecteD> without that you have no way of knowing what goes wrong during boot
  • [17:24:07] <|nfecteD> it can and it will be times when it won't boot
  • [17:24:15] <|nfecteD> for some reason or another
  • [17:24:54] <|nfecteD> but if you're sure whatever is on the SD will boot then go ahead
  • [17:25:16] <|nfecteD> i don't even remember anymore if my beagle would auto boot whatever was on the SD with the default config
  • [17:25:48] <RoHS> ok...I have a usb to serial and will get the everex cable somehow.
  • [17:25:59] <RoHS> I'm sure there is something laying around here that I could use.
  • [17:26:05] <|nfecteD> theres the "user" button i guess... holding that should make skip the nand
  • [17:26:07] <|nfecteD> i think
  • [17:26:55] <|nfecteD> yesturday i had to use the serial to unbrick my beagle
  • [17:27:16] <|nfecteD> wouldn't read the "rescue" SD card no matter how many ways i tried it
  • [17:27:39] <RoHS> gotcha...I'll just do it right then.
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  • [18:22:33] <djlewis_> _av500_: just saw the new youtube video of 'The Wall', beautiful ...
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  • [18:26:46] <qwert> Hi there, I have a issue for zippy2 board on kernel 2.6.29. After apply patches from micrel, I can get ethernet port work on zippy2, but the SDIO port on zippy2 still does not work.
  • [18:27:20] <qwert> Which config flag should be turned on in order to get SDIO port in zippy2 to work?
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  • [18:34:30] <ds2> Okay, EEtimes needs to be blacklisted into obvilion... god damn spammers; block one domain and they pop up with another domain GRRRRRR
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  • [18:44:04] <djlewis_> I believe our resident zippy2 expert is in South America on vacation
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  • [18:45:56] <ds2> MMmmmmm Kugerand land
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  • [18:49:38] <sakoman> djlewis_: I thought he was somewhere in the carribean
  • [18:50:03] <djlewis_> hi sakoman , may be.
  • [18:50:50] <jedix> I wish I was in the carribean
  • [18:51:39] * djlewis_ is caught trying to go by an old memory ...
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  • [19:07:05] <emeb> djlewis_: prpplague told me he's in Barbados for a few weeks. That's pretty close to Venezuela/Guyana. Almost S. America...
  • [19:07:12] <|nfecteD> The SGX on the beagle uses Opengl ES2.0, right?
  • [19:07:37] <emeb> ds2: I just got a bunch of spam from 'eetresearch.com' too...
  • [19:08:08] <ds2> emeb: they been using a fresh domain every few weeks... I been blocking them by domain it is getting irritating
  • [19:08:08] <djlewis_> emeb: so my mind is not slipping away after all ?
  • [19:08:55] <ds2> djlewis: just scrambled by the tornadoes? :D
  • [19:09:01] <emeb> ds2: I signed up for one newsletter about 5 years ago and keep getting more trash as a result. Some of them come in twice to the same address.
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  • [19:09:37] <emeb> djlewis_: seems your grasp on that corner of reality is firm.
  • [19:09:39] <ds2> emeb: this isn't even a sign up... they snagged it from an old ESC registration address
  • [19:10:36] <emeb> ds2: geh! no escape from them. If you've seen the print edition of EET lately you've got to figure they're in dire straits - it's down to about 10 pages of mostly ads.
  • [19:11:06] <ds2> emeb: I have never considered them a useful mag in the first place
  • [19:12:01] <emeb> ds2: I enjoyed EET back 10+ years ago before teh intarwebs became my main source of tech news. Pretty superfluous these days.
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  • [19:12:46] <ds2> emeb: there are better journals back then... I am partial to Circuit Cellar and that UK rag
  • [19:13:04] <ds2> or maybe it was from somewhere in europe...regardless, it was an A4 sized rag
  • [19:13:50] <emeb> ds2: for embedded systems that's true. I've got CCI back to issue 1 - was an avid reader of Ciarcia's column in Byte since the ~'78 or so...
  • [19:14:18] <ds2> emeb: what does EEtimes cover that is not in CCI?
  • [19:14:47] <emeb> The main advantage EET had was that they were weekly and covered a broad range of disciplines - RF, EDA, industry gossip, etc.
  • [19:15:31] <ds2> that other UK rag did RF except I can't seem to remember their name
  • [19:15:42] <emeb> These days of course they're so light that they're only a distraction.
  • [19:16:06] <emeb> Hmm - I think I know which one you mean, but the name is a blur
  • [19:16:23] <emeb> Elektor isn't it - that's German.
  • [19:16:41] <ds2> Elektor is more for hobby folks
  • [19:16:46] <djlewis_> thats me
  • [19:16:56] <ds2> this one had a nice circuits idea section that had some niffy tricks
  • [19:18:04] <emeb> It's not this is it? http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Home/
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  • [19:19:41] <emeb> I get Nuts & Volts too - kinda fluffy at times, but interesting...
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  • [19:22:57] * djlewis_ left Ciarcia's articles in the mid 90's. I prefer good ol projects articles.
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  • [19:30:58] <emeb> djlewis_: yeah - Ciarcia has pretty much narrowed his focus to the editorial on the last page of CCI for the last decade or so. I still read it, but it's not got a lot of content.
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  • [19:37:18] <ds2> that cover doesn't look like it
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  • [19:54:38] <kblin> hehe
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  • [20:02:16] <kblin> my girlfriend just returned from the automatica expo in munich, and brought me a picture of a quadrocopter that's run by a beagleboard :)
  • [20:03:05] <dm8tbr> nice
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  • [20:10:50] <qwert> hi there, ask again, how to set the .config to make SD/MMC port work on zippy2 board? I can make the ethernet work on that board already.
  • [20:15:17] <bobbens> kblin: nice :)
  • [20:15:21] <bobbens> soon there will be another :P
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  • [20:17:19] <kblin> bobbens: i'd have preferred the quadrocopter over a picture of it ;)
  • [20:17:48] <bobbens> well my plan for making a quadrotor is finally nearing :)
  • [20:18:13] <bobbens> I plan to make motodrone next year if all goes well :)
  • [20:18:58] <bobbens> it's amazing how many there are
  • [20:19:05] <bobbens> they're sprouting all over :)
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  • [20:26:20] <djlewis_> kblin: she must really care to think of you so ;)
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  • [20:54:59] <ds2> hmmmm
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  • [20:56:37] <i0h> hi
  • [20:57:21] <i0h> i've found some code adding beagle board support in the openbsd kernel. did anyone try that?
  • [20:58:29] <ds2> sorry, most of us here are Linux folk
  • [20:59:18] <i0h> then perhaps i have to do it myself with qemu :)
  • [21:00:29] <ds2> or on a real board!
  • [21:00:40] <i0h> i have no bb :)
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  • [21:02:37] <djlewis_> that would make me :(
  • [21:03:25] <i0h> i have devkit 8000 but it requires some additional code
  • [21:03:32] <djlewis_> my BB does absolutely nothing useful but I'm glad to have it ...
  • [21:03:41] <i0h> that's why i'm asking
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  • [21:04:13] <i0h> i'm not sure openbsd worths that
  • [21:05:05] <djlewis_> can't say, I never use OpenBSD
  • [21:05:56] <i0h> i'm using it as a server os :) it lacks some features but it's cool enough to use it =)
  • [21:10:06] <i0h> perhaps i should have bought beagle instead
  • [21:10:29] <xvff> can someone help me format two partitions I have created for an SD card please? basically my machine wont let me access a parition using the name I can see in the parition record using the fdisk command
  • [21:13:24] <xvff> If I may add, I was trying to follow the instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#First_interaction_with_the_board, and got stuck at the "Now we got both partitions, next step is formatting them" stage.
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  • [21:15:21] <xvff> when I try the command sudo mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdc1 -n LABEL, I get the error "mount: special device /dev/sdb1/sdb1p1 does not exist
  • [21:15:21] <xvff> (a path prefix is not a directory)
  • [21:15:47] <i0h> xvff, paste logs somewhere
  • [21:16:11] <xvff> ioh, sure
  • [21:16:35] <xvff> mount: special device /dev/sdb1/sdb1p1 does not exist
  • [21:16:35] <xvff> (a path prefix is not a directory)
  • [21:16:40] <i0h> also that's kinda weird
  • [21:16:57] <xvff> ioh, I also feel so
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  • [21:17:28] <xvff> ioh, my partition record looks like this:
  • [21:17:32] <xvff> Command (m for help): p
  • [21:17:32] <xvff> Disk /dev/sdb1: 1967 MB, 1967058432 bytes
  • [21:17:33] <xvff> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 239 cylinders
  • [21:17:33] <xvff> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  • [21:17:33] <xvff> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
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  • [21:18:11] <i0h> it's empty?
  • [21:18:38] <xvff> "/dev/sdb1p2 52 259 1670760 83 Linux"
  • [21:18:53] <xvff> "/dev/sdb1p1 * 1 51 409626 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)"
  • [21:19:08] <xvff> ioh, sorry, I had to put those within quotes
  • [21:19:11] <i0h> huh
  • [21:19:45] <i0h> P_P
  • [21:19:59] <xvff> ioh, so /dev/sdb1p1 and /dev/sdb1p2 are the two partitions is what I understand
  • [21:20:08] <qwert> hi there, ask again, how to set the .config to make SD/MMC port work on zippy2 board? I can make the ethernet work on that board already.
  • [21:20:12] <i0h> try fdisk /dev/sdb
  • [21:20:25] <xvff> ioh, ok
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  • [21:20:50] <i0h> as i get you've made partitions inside a partition xD
  • [21:21:03] <i0h> sdb is a disk
  • [21:21:11] <i0h> sdb1 is a partition
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  • [21:21:35] <i0h> check the manual again ;)
  • [21:21:37] <xvff> ioh, ahhh now I get it, anyways will try it before I am sure. thanks
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  • [21:31:57] <xvff> i0h, the problem was resolved, thanks a lot1
  • [21:32:25] <i0h> xvff, :)
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  • [21:36:07] * djlewis_ just loves happy endings :)
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  • [21:42:00] <i0h> piece of cake =)
  • [21:42:36] <djlewis_> I'll have German chocolate please :)
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  • [21:51:46] <bgamari> Will running grounded copper in between digital signals and a low-noise analog traces help reduce capacitive coupling at all?
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  • [22:08:56] <djlewis_> bgamari: googling this: gets some interesting reading. 'low noise analog digital circuit board design'
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  • [22:13:07] <emeb> djlewis_: Cake please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY
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  • [22:20:46] <djlewis_> ok, now I'm a Eddie Izzard fan :P
  • [22:22:12] <muriani> tea and cake, or death!
  • [22:22:19] <muriani> little red cook book!
  • [22:22:31] <djlewis_> actually Lego star Wars
  • [22:23:44] <djlewis_> looks like lots to check out..
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  • [22:26:24] <emeb> yep - been there. Spent an entire evening a while back going through all the Eddie Izzard youtubes...
  • [22:26:56] <djlewis_> thats me with painted women after seeing the Linux girl
  • [22:27:39] <djlewis_> on youtube, to be clear O:-)
  • [22:28:39] <emeb> whoosh... didn't catch the reference.
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  • [22:29:41] <djlewis_> the body painted linux girl got me to waste time looking at others of similar context.
  • [22:30:25] <emeb> Ah! makes sense.
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