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  • [01:54:49] <xorAxAx> koen: got it
  • [01:55:23] <xorAxAx> echo 4000000 > /sys/class/graphics/fb1/size
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  • [04:41:55] <MostAwesomeDude> Gentlemen.
  • [04:42:12] <MostAwesomeDude> I didn't think I'd ever find a use for my Beagle, but I guess everything changes. So.
  • [04:42:20] <MostAwesomeDude> I've got Koen's demo running. All is well.
  • [04:42:44] <MostAwesomeDude> I need to build a couple custom packages and put them on there, and I need to get the OTG to be a USB host, because I don't have a rev C board.
  • [04:42:57] <MostAwesomeDude> Is OE still the best way to cross-compile stuff?
  • [04:43:15] <MostAwesomeDude> How do I get the OTG into host mode? Do I need to build a kernel with the host support?
  • [04:52:09] <kblin> I'm not running angstrom, so I don't know if that's any different
  • [04:52:21] <kblin> but for me I just need to use the correct cable and it works :)
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  • [04:56:13] <kblin> MostAwesomeDude: just make sure you use a recent kernel, I had a lot of stability problems on the otg port until.. hang on..
  • [04:56:54] <kblin> 2.6.31 with some extra patches added
  • [04:57:36] <kblin> I'm running ubuntu with rcn-ee's kernels, though. ymmv for OE
  • [04:58:06] <MostAwesomeDude> kblin: You share maybe too many channels with me. :3
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  • [04:58:29] <MostAwesomeDude> I think it shouldn't be a problem to force EHCI mode with my trusty modprobe, but the modules are missing.
  • [04:58:47] <MostAwesomeDude> Looks like it's time to go craft a compiler.
  • [04:59:44] <kblin> hehe
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  • [05:57:36] <MostAwesomeDude> Oh joy. Hundreds of ERROR: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable while parsing
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  • [06:08:23] <DanaG> Weird... I get "driver failed to start" when trying to use a beagle with RNDIS with Windows.
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  • [06:13:25] <mobidev> hi to all
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  • [07:09:34] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/simplified-development-setup
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  • [07:14:53] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: I got it goin'. It's compilin' my LADSPA plugins.
  • [07:15:08] <MostAwesomeDude> Your script was quite helpful, BTW. :3
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  • [07:47:30] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: I had looked at LADSPA plugins some years ago, but got distracted :)
  • [07:49:04] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: I have crafted a keytar, and written a small LADSPA synth to make sounds with it.
  • [07:49:22] <MostAwesomeDude> But my netbook is a wimpy Atom and can't take the heat. So I'm seeing if my Beagle fares better.
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  • [07:53:42] <koen> sounds like DSP material
  • [07:53:53] <koen> although I suspect it will be floating point heavy
  • [07:55:52] <av500> yeah, float
  • [07:56:29] <av500> shame ti cant make fast floating point dsps...
  • [07:59:41] <koen> like the c674x?
  • [08:04:57] <av500> :)
  • [08:08:44] * koen has blown out another ATX PSU
  • [08:08:59] <koen> I could have sworn I had some spares lying around...
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  • [08:19:32] <DanaG> hmmm, how would an Athlon Neo work?
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  • [08:57:14] <koen> hmmm
  • [08:57:36] <koen> compiling qt/e, qt/x11 and webkit-gtk at the same time might be a bit too much for my buildbox
  • [08:57:54] <av500> it blew the psu?
  • [09:00:42] <koen> no
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  • [10:41:30] <topfs2> Morning! I have abit of trouble with usbnet. Basically I've set static IP on both beagle and host (ipconfig usb0 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.0.0.0 up on host and ipconfig usb0 10.0.0.3 netmask 255.0.0.0 up on beagle) after the IP's are set I try to ping respective but just end up with unresolved (ping 10.0.0.3 on host and ping 10.0.0.2 on beagle)
  • [10:42:06] <topfs2> I'm on rev C4 and tried this mostly on ubuntu since my angstrom doesn't wanted to give me console over serial at the time of testing
  • [10:42:07] <koen> default route?
  • [10:42:30] <topfs2> default route isn't added but I did check route and it showed 10.0.0.0 to usb0
  • [10:42:34] <topfs2> so I think its correct?
  • [10:42:34] <koen> weird, I have serial console by default with angstrom
  • [10:43:08] <koen> did you change any of the bootargs?
  • [10:43:11] <topfs2> Yeah I had it but then I got kernel panic, if I booted with a screen attached kernel worked but when I try later without screen and serial it doesn't show anything :)
  • [10:43:25] <topfs2> I changed to the one with console=ttyS2 which I think is rigth?
  • [10:43:31] <koen> ubuntu won't support the latest sgx drivers, so it's a dead end for xbmc stuff
  • [10:44:00] <topfs2> Yeah that might be true, just wanted to get something usable to work with and ubuntu seemed easiest to begin with (mostly since I know it)
  • [10:44:16] <topfs2> Wanted to go back to angstrom asap though since its alot better for more people :)
  • [10:44:45] <koen> use the uboot and xload from the angstrom site and do 'nand erase 260000 20000' that should erase any bogus env in nand
  • [10:45:19] <topfs2> this site? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [10:46:47] <koen> yes
  • [10:46:56] <topfs2> great, will try that then. thx
  • [10:47:14] * koen still needs to get the sgx driver fixed to work with mainline kernels (and hence ubuntu)
  • [10:49:02] <topfs2> hehe. sounds like a good thing :) ubuntu is great
  • [10:49:32] <topfs2> Although I guess angstrom is alot better for embedded on the actual rollouts
  • [10:49:38] <DanaG> topfs2: try booting with g_ether.use_eem=0
  • [10:49:53] <topfs2> as boot arg?
  • [10:49:55] <DanaG> yeah.
  • [10:50:01] <topfs2> will try that aswell
  • [10:50:05] <DanaG> Last time I tried usb-net without that, it gave framing errors.
  • [10:50:19] <DanaG> dev_addr 00:11:22:33:44:55...
  • [10:50:34] <DanaG> and host saw packets from ff:ff:00:11:22:33 of unknown ether type 4455.
  • [10:51:15] <topfs2> I do get different hw address in ubuntu on beagle than what is seen on ubuntu on host? not sure if thats supposed to (and I know ubuntu isn't approved just asking :) )
  • [10:51:36] <DanaG> The two different endpoints should have different addresses.
  • [10:51:43] <DanaG> Though, the fact that the addresses are not static is a pain.
  • [10:51:55] <DanaG> I ended up setting fixed addresses for both.
  • [10:55:41] <topfs2> Yeah thats annoying as heck :)
  • [10:55:58] <topfs2> should the g_ether.use_eem be honored in ubuntu aswell?
  • [10:56:21] <DanaG> With rcn-ee's kernel, it should work, but the official 33-500-omap kernel is rather broken.
  • [10:56:28] <DanaG> official being ubuntu.
  • [10:56:39] <DanaG> www.rcn-ee.net/deb/lucid/
  • [10:57:04] <topfs2> ah ok, I'll take a quick test with ubuntu since I already have it prepered, otherwise I'll do angstrom
  • [11:00:02] * koen knows zero GSOC mentors using ubuntu on beagle
  • [11:00:49] <topfs2> omg omg omg it worked!
  • [11:03:56] <topfs2> koen, I'll switch to angstrom :)
  • [11:06:29] <topfs2> koen, and DanaG thx so much, Icleaned the nand and added the bootarg and now it seems to work, I've been at this for so long, this is major awesome :D
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  • [11:07:30] <aholler> I've got kernel panics with almost every kernel I've tried, regardless if ubuntu, angstrom, linux-omap, whatever...
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  • [11:11:29] <aholler> maybe it's the usb-eth-moschip driver, but I haven't had any problems on any other platform with that driver. Currently I assume it's the omap-usb driver
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  • [11:30:09] <Patsch> moin
  • [11:31:54] <djszapi> hi
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  • [11:48:56] <Patsch> here is the developer IRC of the Beagleboard ?
  • [11:49:43] <dm8tbr> maybe
  • [11:50:24] <Patsch> lol
  • [11:51:28] <Patsch> also normally but not yet ?
  • [11:56:22] <Patsch> ok the problem is we just start to develop a Open Source Car Radio. The problem we need little bit more power then a Cortex M3 or somethings delivers.
  • [11:56:28] * av500 waves hand, this is not the irc you are looking for
  • [12:00:25] <Patsch> ?
  • [12:04:15] <av500> Patsch: lame joke
  • [12:05:16] <Patsch> *gg*
  • [12:08:14] <dm8tbr> what sort of car radio needs so much horsepower
  • [12:08:36] <dm8tbr> also the beagle is cortex A8 I thought
  • [12:09:06] <Patsch> jep with the neon SIMD
  • [12:09:48] <Patsch> on the Radio should run Linux and a audio DSP
  • [12:10:40] <av500> dm8tbr: yes, they need more than m3 hence the bb
  • [12:11:22] <av500> Patsch: and the rf frontend?
  • [12:11:54] <Patsch> will base on a IC from nxp
  • [12:12:00] <av500> ok
  • [12:12:12] <av500> how to interface to bb?
  • [12:12:35] <Patsch> I2S
  • [12:12:57] <cody_> i dont get why the beagle should be too slow for playing radio
  • [12:13:02] <Patsch> and I2C for the chip controller
  • [12:13:12] <av500> cody_: he did not say that
  • [12:13:19] <cody_> hm
  • [12:13:21] <cody_> ok
  • [12:13:31] <Patsch> i said the cortex M3 is too slow
  • [12:13:40] <cody_> yes
  • [12:13:54] <av500> Patsch: what bandwidth do you want to enter the bb?
  • [12:13:54] <cody_> then use the beagleboard=)
  • [12:14:35] <Patsch> what do you mean with bandwidth ?
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  • [12:15:23] <av500> signal bandwidth over i2s
  • [12:15:44] <av500> or do you demod outside the bb? :)
  • [12:16:17] <Patsch> can't say at the moment we are just at the start of the problem
  • [12:16:50] <aholler> starting with a problem is the wrong way, just take the solution ;)
  • [12:17:23] <Patsch> with out a problem it never will give a solution
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  • [12:20:34] <Patsch> another reason to take the OMAP3 is the use of a LCD with touch
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  • [12:40:50] <Patsch> and yet i hope for some support develop a CPU board based on the beagleboard
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  • [12:50:16] <nicobari> is UART2 in expansion header enabled for BB rev C4?
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  • [12:56:41] <aholler> btw, here is one of those kernel-oopses I'm fighting with (rootfs and swap is on usb-hd): http://www.fpaste.org/sFCN/ maybe anyone here sees more than I do to identify a possible problem.
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  • [13:02:37] <av500> Patsch: well, you need to make up your mind about that quickly
  • [13:02:52] <av500> and then chose a suitable hw
  • [13:02:58] <av500> not the other way round
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  • [13:12:55] <koen> aholler: musb or ehci?
  • [13:13:31] <koen> aholler: if musb, try putting musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5 in bootargs
  • [13:13:59] <mru> is that the new fix-everything voodoo?
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  • [13:16:49] <koen> yes, for old MUSB ip
  • [13:16:59] <av500> old as in?
  • [13:17:07] <koen> not 37xx silicon
  • [13:17:15] <koen> which is <1.8 MUSB AIUI
  • [13:17:48] <av500> so actually every bb in customers hands...
  • [13:17:53] <mru> when does the bug trigger?
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  • [13:24:49] <koen> mru: it enables an endpoint config that fits into 8k which should avoid some silicon issues with using large size endpoints
  • [13:25:13] <topfs2> I added the g_ether thing to the beginners wikipage now, hope I wasn't out of line with that ? :)
  • [13:25:20] <mru> koen: is g_ether somehow unaffected by this?
  • [13:25:22] <koen> on newer silicon you should be able to use the full 16k
  • [13:25:26] <mru> 'cause I've seen no problems
  • [13:25:48] <koen> mru: I think so
  • [13:27:45] <av500> koen: ah that 8k thing....
  • [13:28:47] <aholler> koen: ehci
  • [13:30:11] <koen> av500: it helps to have a customer mailing every usb device that doesn't work on their hw to _roger_ :)
  • [13:30:42] <aholler> that g_ether (musb) isn't used. and I'm getting almost the same segfault using ubuntus 2.6.33. will test some kernels from linux-omap now.
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  • [13:34:40] <koen> djeez
  • [13:34:46] <koen> libvpx is awfull
  • [13:34:55] <koen> it doesn't even have a working make install
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  • [13:46:05] <Patsch> av500 thats not the main problem, the will be splitt in moduls. CPU Modul, Tunermodul and several port for extension
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  • [13:47:11] <av500> koen: make install for them creates a subdir with foo stuff only
  • [13:47:17] <Patsch> at thr moment we are working on a blockdiagramm
  • [13:47:30] <av500> Patsch: fine
  • [13:48:42] <Patsch> i think the biggest problem is the layout of the cpu board, then the OMAP3 needs minimum 4 Layers
  • [13:48:47] <koen> av500: yes, I see that
  • [13:49:01] <koen> av500: it's not what I call working :)
  • [13:49:11] <av500> iKnow
  • [13:49:54] <av500> Patsch: this an university project?
  • [13:50:05] <koen> it's close to my #1 complaint of software from that texan company as well
  • [13:50:29] <mru> koen: _all_ software has crappy build system
  • [13:50:32] <mru> except ffmpeg
  • [13:50:37] <mru> and omapfbplay
  • [13:50:41] * av500 knows only 2 things come from texas
  • [13:50:59] <Patsch> unfortunately not
  • [13:51:15] <av500> commercial?
  • [13:51:19] <koen> mru: the libvpx buildsys looks like someone looked at ffmpeg and thought "that's neat" and then tried to recreate it
  • [13:51:30] <mru> yes
  • [13:51:32] <mru> and faild
  • [13:51:33] <koen> mru: kinda like google did with android and regular linux
  • [13:52:12] <Patsch> comercial i will private invest about 150.000? *ggg*
  • [13:52:42] <Patsch> but i don't know from where is should take the money
  • [13:53:11] <Patsch> av500 open source
  • [13:53:33] <koen> wouldn't something like da830 we better for a radio?
  • [13:53:47] <koen> that gets you a floating point dsp
  • [13:54:30] <mru> what's the da830 again?
  • [13:54:37] <koen> l137
  • [13:54:43] <mru> why so many names?
  • [13:54:54] <koen> da830 is slightly different
  • [13:54:57] <mru> artificial catalogue inflation?
  • [13:55:10] <koen> it has DSP/BIOS in rom, which the l137 disabled using efuses
  • [13:55:48] <av500> Patsch: and you are sure you want to make your own hw?
  • [13:56:04] <av500> designing an omap3 board is "tricky"
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  • [13:56:15] <av500> manufacturing one too
  • [13:56:27] <Patsch> and expensive
  • [13:56:37] <av500> why not stick with BB and make only an addon
  • [13:56:45] <av500> rf+ad
  • [13:57:26] <av500> mru: every ti subdivision gets to sell the same chip under a different name
  • [13:57:50] <av500> that way they can track who sells most :)
  • [13:58:00] <mru> ah, clever
  • [13:59:54] <koen> and if needed a new spin can be done for a single division
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  • [14:00:46] <av500> koen: you applid for KK37xx yet?
  • [14:00:49] <av500> +e
  • [14:00:51] <koen> no
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  • [14:03:37] <Patsch> how many I2S delivers the bb on the expansion Connector ?
  • [14:04:45] <emeb|mac> gm
  • [14:05:05] <emeb|mac> Patsch: reading the log - looks like you're doing something I'm interested in...
  • [14:05:27] <emeb|mac> Been trying to enable McBSP3 to talk thru expansion port
  • [14:11:01] <Patsch> only McBSP3 is on the expansion port ?
  • [14:12:48] <emeb|mac> I think there may be one other... McBSP1? But I'm using those pins for something else.
  • [14:14:57] <emeb|mac> yeah - McBSP1 shares IO pins with McSPI4 that I use for board control.
  • [14:18:22] <Patsch> that is the problem of the beaglboard you have only one SPI, I2C and so on for expansions
  • [14:19:45] <emeb|mac> There is a bit of a bottleneck. But keep in mind that the bitrates on those ports can go pretty high.
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  • [14:21:26] <emeb|mac> Also, if you're willing to do a bit of work you could run SDIO through MMC2 and get (theoretically) > 400Mbps.
  • [14:22:03] <Patsch> fine, but how should i work with three audio streams when only two I2S available
  • [14:22:26] <emeb|mac> Use the TDM mode of the McBSP.
  • [14:22:51] <emeb|mac> McBSP supports more than just I2S - you can cram many streams into one.
  • [14:22:54] <Patsch> whats the TDM mode ?
  • [14:23:28] <emeb|mac> Read the TRM - it's more like AC97 with multiplexed channels on one port.
  • [14:23:54] <Patsch> sounds cool
  • [14:24:43] <emeb|mac> McBSP0 on the Beagle is used to talk to the TWL4030 which could (theoretically) support 4 channels audio.
  • [14:25:08] <emeb|mac> Although Beagle doesn't support the extra audio, the driver code is in the kernel to handle it.
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  • [14:26:59] <Patsch> for the OSCAR project with have too modify the kernel
  • [14:27:07] <emeb|mac> Patsch: you mentioned an NXP frontend chip - got a part number on that.
  • [14:27:22] <emeb|mac> yep - kernel mods are pretty comman - not hard.
  • [14:27:38] * emeb|mac has been coming up to speed on that lately.
  • [14:29:34] <Patsch> i think it was the TEF6901
  • [14:30:40] <emeb|mac> got it - thanks
  • [14:31:55] <emeb|mac> looks like that's all analog - you planning to hang a codec on it?
  • [14:31:57] <Patsch> but at the moment that chip is one of the finalists for the project
  • [14:32:13] <Patsch> maybe
  • [14:33:32] <emeb|mac> hmmm - so you'll control it with I2C, convert the audio to I2S & drive it into Beagle where you apply DSP etc, the out through the same I2S to multi-channel audio amp?
  • [14:34:06] <Patsch> a other idea was to build in 2 tuner one to here music, the other for scanning the frequences
  • [14:34:57] <emeb|mac> interesting. What about DAB?
  • [14:36:20] <Patsch> the best will be to use a hybrid tuner
  • [14:37:15] <emeb|mac> also, looks like that chip RDS output - how will you handle that?
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  • [14:38:05] <Patsch> sorry i am not really involved of the developing the tuner
  • [14:39:01] <emeb|mac> So you plan to use OMAP primarily for user interface & DSP on the received audio?
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  • [14:39:30] <Patsch> jep
  • [14:39:51] <emeb|mac> What kind of DSP do you need to do?
  • [14:40:00] <Patsch> and to decode MP3
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  • [14:41:07] <emeb|mac> Ah - so this car radio will have SD and/or USB slot to allow MP3 playing.
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  • [14:41:45] <Patsch> yes today is SDHC and USB standart in radio
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  • [14:42:10] <Patsch> and a small display with touch
  • [14:42:15] * emeb|mac frequently daydreams about the ultimate SD-based car audio system while on long drives
  • [14:42:27] <emeb|mac> Sounds like a good plan.
  • [14:43:44] <emeb|mac> What I'd like in particular: Two SD slots - one for me & one for wife. Simple way to switch back & forth between different music collections. Remembers last played position on each one.
  • [14:44:40] <Patsch> better is one SD card fix installed
  • [14:44:50] <mru> emeb|mac: and when you're both in the car?
  • [14:45:00] <Patsch> wife
  • [14:45:04] <emeb|mac> mru: driver gets priority.
  • [14:45:14] <mru> ah, but who gets to drive?
  • [14:45:33] <emeb|mac> mru: we trade off - every time we gas up.
  • [14:45:45] <Patsch> the wife has allways the higher priority *gg*
  • [14:45:51] <emeb|mac> (have gone 24 hours straight thru)
  • [14:46:08] <emeb|mac> Patsch: naturally...
  • [14:48:15] <Patsch> *ggg*
  • [14:50:42] <Patsch> or just take look on the project site
  • [14:50:46] <Patsch> http://osar.it-livetalk.de/
  • [14:51:06] <emeb|mac> got it...
  • [14:51:08] <Patsch> but in the moment it is only german
  • [14:52:40] <emeb|mac> that's fine
  • [14:53:25] <emeb|mac> I keep thinking that there are simple FM tuner chips that go directly to digital interfaces - like those used in iPods...
  • [14:54:23] <Patsch> but these chip not the best for a car radio
  • [14:54:42] <Patsch> + is
  • [14:56:14] <emeb|mac> Ah - makes sense. Weak receivers, can't track multipath well, etc.
  • [14:57:13] <Patsch> the problem is the temprange and EMC
  • [14:59:47] <emeb|mac> also true. Interior of cars here can exceed 160F in summer.
  • [15:01:35] <dm8tbr> Patsch: do you plan to also put DMB support in?
  • [15:01:40] <koen> 71 degrees C
  • [15:02:12] * dm8tbr read the other day that temperatures up to 105??C are in the specs for car electronics
  • [15:03:09] <Patsch> at the moment i plan to drink a coffee
  • [15:03:20] <emeb|mac> koen: yep - toasty here. Gets bad when overworked mothers leave baby in the car accidentally.
  • [15:05:40] <Patsch> mom i have to restart my lapi
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  • [15:14:23] <av500> hmm, why does everybody have to call it oscar: http://web.archive.org/web/20080415095010/http://www.oscar-mp3.de/
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  • [15:17:49] <emeb|mac> Oscar is a cool name?
  • [15:18:09] <emeb|mac> anyway, the radio project is 'osar', not 'oscar'
  • [15:18:13] <av500> i guess so
  • [15:18:30] <av500> i found it cool in 1998
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  • [15:19:25] <seennoob> back
  • [15:19:37] <emeb|mac> forth
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  • [15:20:25] <seennoob> shit wrong nick
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  • [15:22:14] <Patsch> back
  • [15:22:53] <Patsch> how is interested on the OSCAR can send me a mail
  • [15:23:27] <Patsch> osarproject[at]gmail.com
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  • [15:24:58] <ilans> need help to overclock my beagle, any suggestions?
  • [15:25:15] <emeb|mac> ilans: your beagle is too slow?
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  • [15:25:52] <ilans> my beagle is 720 Mhz and I need some more power
  • [15:26:21] <emeb|mac> what do you need more speed for?
  • [15:26:42] <emeb|mac> (what app is too slow?)
  • [15:26:54] <ilans> I'm running some CV algos on it and I need some more power
  • [15:27:15] <emeb|mac> maybe work to optimize algos?
  • [15:27:27] <ilans> is there a way to overclock it?
  • [15:27:35] <emeb|mac> Main problem is that overclocking the Cortex-A8 will shorten its life
  • [15:28:46] <ilans> you are right but now I need it for fast solution in order to make proof of conspet
  • [15:28:52] <Patsch> and increase the errors
  • [15:29:05] <ilans> I know it will burn the CPU down but I need it only for demonstration
  • [15:29:06] <emeb|mac> There is some control over CPU speed - was discussed on this chl over last few days - grep the logs.
  • [15:29:19] <ilans> is there a way to do it
  • [15:29:20] <ilans> ?
  • [15:29:29] <ilans> ok
  • [15:29:33] <Patsch> look on the internet IVA2.2 and OpenCV
  • [15:31:10] <av500> ilans: 720 is already fast
  • [15:31:21] <av500> what will adding 20% gain?
  • [15:31:32] <av500> what speedup do you need?
  • [15:31:39] <Patsch> or wait for the beagleboard mx
  • [15:31:42] <emeb|mac> 3x :)
  • [15:32:00] <ilans> I need 20% more and it will be good for now
  • [15:32:09] <emeb|mac> Yeah - xM will be available in ~1mo and will run 1GHz
  • [15:32:09] <ilans> and than I will use the DSP
  • [15:32:27] <av500> ilans: run oprofile and optimise
  • [15:33:21] <av500> and 720 is already overclocked
  • [15:36:12] <ilans> is there an oprofile for beagle?
  • [15:36:18] <av500> Patsch: i fail to see why you would need an omap3?
  • [15:37:03] <av500> ilans: yes
  • [15:37:04] <ilans> I'm a student and this is a project that I'm doing
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  • [15:37:51] <av500> yes, i guessed that
  • [15:38:30] <Patsch> av500 for decoding MP3, GUI, audio DSP feautures
  • [15:38:52] <emeb> what kind of audio DSP?
  • [15:39:04] <emeb> (the radio chips already handle lots of that)
  • [15:39:04] <av500> Patsch: mp3 decoding bores the omap3
  • [15:39:47] <Patsch> but the GUI need some power
  • [15:39:49] <emeb> you can do mp3 decoding on an arm9
  • [15:39:57] <av500> emeb: arm7 too
  • [15:40:04] <emeb> or dsPIC
  • [15:40:14] <Patsch> AVR
  • [15:40:23] <emeb> do I hear 6502? :)
  • [15:40:27] <Patsch> 32
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  • [15:40:53] <av500> Patsch: yCou mentioned making you own board as well
  • [15:40:56] <av500> oops
  • [15:41:01] <av500> Patsch: you mentioned making you own board as well
  • [15:41:13] <av500> that is much easier with avr et al
  • [15:41:35] <ilans> so I understand it is not possible to run the beagleboard at more than 720Mhz
  • [15:41:40] <av500> what dsp audio do you want to do?
  • [15:41:46] <emeb> I noticed the osar site mentions a renesas processor.
  • [15:42:07] <av500> ilans: it might be, but is your project about increasing the mhz until it works?
  • [15:42:15] <Patsch> equalizing, mixing and some filters
  • [15:42:17] <av500> use an i7 then
  • [15:42:33] <av500> Patsch: eq can be in the da converter
  • [15:42:46] <av500> some offer that
  • [15:42:54] <Patsch> converter ?
  • [15:42:58] <av500> mixing you dont need a dsp
  • [15:43:04] <av500> the D/A
  • [15:43:36] <ilans> av500: yes, it will be a good solution for me on the short term
  • [15:43:57] <dm8tbr> you should listen to av500 he knows his sh*t when it comes to media players :)
  • [15:43:57] <av500> well, run it with lower fps
  • [15:44:52] <av500> Patsch: it all depends on what you really want - which you are trying to find out atm i guess
  • [15:45:05] <ilans> av500: it is also a possibility, but can you refer me to how can I do it? as I mentioned it is only for a short term
  • [15:45:09] <av500> if you think about making own hw, drop the omap3
  • [15:45:28] <ilans> av500: I dont
  • [15:45:28] <av500> ilans: 720 is already overclocked, so how did you do this?
  • [15:45:51] <av500> Patsch: if you think about making own hw, drop the omap3
  • [15:46:07] <ilans> av500: I bought it like this, it is revc4 in is 720 Mhz cortex-a8
  • [15:46:24] <av500> ilans: ah right, c4
  • [15:47:06] <Patsch> the easiest way is the beagleboard
  • [15:47:10] <av500> you will need to add another OPP then
  • [15:47:14] <av500> Patsch: sure
  • [15:47:55] <Patsch> and the possibility to use it as a Car PC given to
  • [15:48:46] <ilans> av500: can you please elaborate or refer me to extended explanation?
  • [15:48:46] * av500 hums "keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel..."
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  • [15:49:42] <Patsch> kit ?
  • [15:49:49] <av500> ilans: http://www.google.com/search?q=omap3+opp
  • [15:50:05] <av500> that has somelinks to ppl overclocking their droids
  • [15:50:10] <ilans> thanks
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  • [16:01:08] <Patsch> tschau dann
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  • [18:09:24] <koen> ilans: if you don't care about lifespan, try something like: http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-linux/commit/10fdd71484be14e53e4cd6049d851ac907476e70
  • [18:09:53] <koen> ilans: voids warranty, runs over your dog, kills kittens, etc, etc
  • [18:13:37] <av500> koen: too lazy to increase the number of opps? :)
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  • [18:14:07] <koen> av500: there is something in the kernel that knows about the numnber of opps
  • [18:14:14] <koen> av500: at least in the past that was the case
  • [18:14:31] <av500> koen: well, yes it knows the number
  • [18:14:44] <koen> I would love for the 37xx to be able to drop down to 125MHz and an even lower voltage
  • [18:14:54] <av500> but it can be increased, no?
  • [18:15:01] <koen> yeah
  • [18:15:09] <koen> too lazy to see where it's done
  • [18:15:19] <av500> koen: wasnt the 125 deemed not needed any more?
  • [18:15:21] <koen> and the TI kernel is subtly different from mainline
  • [18:15:34] <koen> av500: I have no idea on the 125 one
  • [18:15:51] <koen> av500: I guess the silicon team and/or marketing drew up that list
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  • [18:47:48] <Cosmo`> well
  • [18:47:52] <Cosmo`> this weekend has been ... interesting
  • [18:48:19] <Cosmo`> basically in sincerely though i blew up my beagle
  • [18:55:13] <mru> blew up your beagle.. how?
  • [18:55:37] <Cosmo`> well
  • [18:55:46] <Cosmo`> i use mine as a file server, and i use an external SATA dock with it
  • [18:55:54] <Cosmo`> and the DC connector looks exactly the same as the one for the beagle
  • [18:56:04] <mru> but it's 12V...
  • [18:56:05] <Cosmo`> so, as you might expect, i accidentally plugged it into the beagle
  • [18:56:13] <Cosmo`> ALOT of smoke
  • [18:56:21] <mru> the 12V classic
  • [18:56:26] <Cosmo`> but, in an extremely bizzare series of events, it still works perfectly
  • [18:56:41] <mru> there must still be some smoke left inside then
  • [18:56:48] <mru> enough for it to function
  • [18:56:51] <Cosmo`> i'm shocked, there was so much smoke
  • [18:57:09] <MostAwesomeDude> ARMs have a lot more magic smoke than x86.
  • [18:57:25] <Cosmo`> as you might expect, it's the VRM next to the USB OTG that smoked
  • [18:57:28] <Cosmo`> it looks fucked
  • [18:57:39] <mru> it was probably the regulator or something nearby smoking
  • [18:58:16] <mru> silicon doesn't turn into smoke when heated
  • [18:58:24] <mru> the plastic package might
  • [18:58:44] <Cosmo`> well, anyway, lesson learnt
  • [18:58:53] <mru> and the internal connections to the chip usually fry before the chip itself
  • [18:59:33] <Cosmo`> it was only plugged in for about 1 second
  • [18:59:36] <Cosmo`> as you might expect
  • [18:59:47] <Cosmo`> i'm really surprised it still works
  • [19:00:13] <mru> I'd recommend to stay well clear of buses the next few weeks
  • [19:00:22] <mru> you've clearly used up more than your quota of luck
  • [19:00:38] <MostAwesomeDude> ## These are really libs, eh? I have yet to try libtool.
  • [19:00:42] <Cosmo`> yeah absolutely mru
  • [19:00:48] <MostAwesomeDude> ^^ From a Makefile.am.
  • [19:00:55] <MostAwesomeDude> I am so unamused.
  • [19:00:58] <mru> heh
  • [19:01:00] <Cosmo`> however on the same day i drank so much caffeine i thought i would have a heart attack
  • [19:01:11] <Cosmo`> so 'sods law' would have been that i actually had one
  • [19:02:28] <Cosmo`> it still smells a bit ... odd
  • [19:02:33] <Cosmo`> so hopefully it won't blow up
  • [19:02:56] <Cosmo`> but i never leave it on when i'm not in the room anyway, and we've got a fire extinguisher
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  • [19:07:19] <emeb> didn't they add OVP to the xM to mitigate against stuff like this?
  • [19:07:49] <mru> http://hardwarebug.org/files/beagle_overvoltage.jpg
  • [19:08:24] <emeb> that's it: "Don't touch it - you'll break it."
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  • [19:11:16] <Cosmo`> what's going on in that picture?
  • [19:11:51] <mru> it's the overvoltage protection
  • [19:12:06] <Cosmo`> lol
  • [19:12:21] <emeb> as in "if you can't get at the connectors, you can't hook it up wrong"
  • [19:12:31] <Cosmo`> heh
  • [19:12:36] <Cosmo`> as one of my old bosses used to say
  • [19:12:43] <Cosmo`> you can always fuck up once, but god help you if you do it again
  • [19:18:02] <DanaG> koen: say, will that fifo_mode thing likely fix musb_hdrc rndis "driver failed to start" with Windows hosts?
  • [19:18:24] <DanaG> What is the fifo_mode parameter, anyway?
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  • [19:20:31] <DanaG> ah, seems like it may be to set whether it's host or peripheral?
  • [19:36:16] * aholler wonders how the sd-card has made it into the beagle under that microwave-glas
  • [19:38:28] <aholler> and it looks like that sd has 0 gb ;)
  • [19:38:52] <mru> iirc it says 1.0
  • [19:39:13] <mru> and it's an mmc card to be pedantic
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  • [19:48:19] <DanaG> RS-MMC?
  • [19:48:48] <MostAwesomeDude> Argfl. How is it that people can be so bad at automake and autoconf?
  • [19:49:09] <MostAwesomeDude> Actually, this is just bad design.
  • [19:49:20] <aholler> it has a reason why some people call it autofoo ;)
  • [19:49:30] <MostAwesomeDude> He's got it set up so that he has these wavetables in a separate DSO.
  • [19:49:44] <MostAwesomeDude> So he rpaths and dlopens the wavetable DSO in order to get to its tables.
  • [19:49:57] <MostAwesomeDude> But each lib is only about 100k.
  • [19:50:06] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: dlopen is evil
  • [19:50:37] <MostAwesomeDude> So he's done this stupid, overengineered, non-portable hax, and he's *wasting* space because of alignment.
  • [19:50:54] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: It's not too bad if you're not combining it with rpath hax.
  • [19:52:39] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: dlopen wreaks havoc on trying to use glean shlib depends from the binaries
  • [19:52:54] <koen> they don't show up as needed in objdump
  • [19:53:26] <koen> I guess one can dump all symbols from every libs and put them in a db to see who needs what, but that would be a bit overkill
  • [19:55:03] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Yeah, that's entirely true.
  • [19:55:24] <MostAwesomeDude> I suppose it depends on the usage. Some inter-language bindings absolutely depend on it to work.
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  • [19:58:45] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: still doing 3d stuff?
  • [19:59:26] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Ish. I mean, I'm still maintaining drivers, but I have so little time to write new stuff.
  • [20:00:03] <MostAwesomeDude> I really wanted to start gx (GC/Wii), pollux, volari, others.
  • [20:00:35] <koen> gc/wii ?
  • [20:01:24] <koen> ah, gamecube
  • [20:01:26] <MostAwesomeDude> Yeah. They both have the same 3D programming model. r200-era fixed-function. Fairly powerful.
  • [20:01:36] <MostAwesomeDude> Sorry, I'm over-abbreviating. :3
  • [20:02:00] <koen> I parsed it as garbagecollection
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  • [20:43:52] <andruk> anybody know of a good multitouch screen to buy?
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  • [20:59:24] <xorAxAx> koen: omapfb does the resizing incorrectly. it distorts the video image
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  • [21:13:23] <DanaG> ah, I think Wii could have looked better if it'd drive higher resolution -- even with the same polygon count.
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  • [21:14:06] <DanaG> after all, low-res low-poly models are jaggy and angular; high-res low-poly are smooth-lined and angular.
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  • [22:08:22] <emeb> Just added a "Manufacturing Test" program to prove all GPIO between Beagle & FPGA: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Tracker
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  • [22:31:27] <Cosmo`> hmm
  • [22:31:33] <Cosmo`> something i have noticed is that VRM is real hot now
  • [22:33:25] <Cosmo`> is that usual or a side effective of the ... ahem ... 'incident'
  • [22:33:50] <emeb> Cosmo`: Is that the TWL4030 you're talking about?
  • [22:34:53] <Cosmo`> oh, sorry no
  • [22:34:58] <Cosmo`> the PWR SW next to the USB OTG
  • [22:35:04] <Cosmo`> that's the one that looks damaged
  • [22:35:13] <Cosmo`> but yes, the TWL4030 is warm too
  • [22:35:17] <Cosmo`> but not as hot as PWR SW
  • [22:35:34] <Cosmo`> you can really feel the heat coming off it, very hot to the touch
  • [22:36:18] <mru> which beagle rev?
  • [22:36:35] <Cosmo`> C3
  • [22:36:54] <Cosmo`> everything is functioning correctly though
  • [22:37:57] <emeb> Just measured my parts with an IR thermometer: U1 - TPS2141 is 117F, TWL4030 is 150F. If your switch is hotter than the TWL then I'd be concerned.
  • [22:38:46] <emeb> Luckily, U1 is a leaded part, so it would be pretty easy to unsolder and put a new one on, even with home bench equipment.
  • [22:39:30] <emeb> Dang that TWL is toasty. Fingertip is still tingling...
  • [22:39:54] <Cosmo`> well, TPS65950 is warm
  • [22:40:00] <Cosmo`> but i can put my finger on it for a while before i have to take it off
  • [22:40:12] <Cosmo`> but the PWM ... i can't actually read what the model is
  • [22:40:16] <lgentili> mru: finally did you get a Tegra2?
  • [22:40:18] <Cosmo`> because the chip was damaged by the ... ahem
  • [22:40:19] <Cosmo`> incident
  • [22:40:34] <mru> lgentili: I've had a tegra2 for a while, yes
  • [22:40:59] <lgentili> I agree with you about your post in Nvida forum...
  • [22:41:01] <emeb> ah yeah - TPS65950 = TWL4030.
  • [22:41:09] <Cosmo`> what's the TSP2141 emeb ?
  • [22:41:13] <Cosmo`> TPS *
  • [22:41:16] <mru> Cosmo`: on my C1D beagle both of those chips are only slightly warm
  • [22:41:30] <lgentili> you were a little "hard" tho
  • [22:41:36] <mru> lgentili: not at all
  • [22:41:39] <Cosmo`> i guess it's caused by the damage then
  • [22:42:00] <emeb> Cosmo`: TPS2141 is U1 on my rev C2 beagle - the part you're calling the VRM.
  • [22:42:20] <lgentili> I've my little board.. sit waiting the damn LDK :(
  • [22:42:28] <Cosmo`> yes U1, that's it
  • [22:42:42] <lgentili> did you have access to the LDK?
  • [22:42:44] <mru> lgentili: exactly... they've been promising it "soon" since january
  • [22:42:47] <emeb> Cosmo`: check this out: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/410c842050992d41
  • [22:42:47] <Cosmo`> sorry, it just says "PWR SW" on the diagram for some reason
  • [22:42:52] <emeb> look familiar?
  • [22:42:56] <lgentili> mru: yeah :(
  • [22:43:12] <mru> lgentili: I've seen a tegra2 board running u-boot and normal linux
  • [22:43:16] <mru> so the stuff exists
  • [22:43:21] <Cosmo`> heh
  • [22:43:26] <mru> they're just refusing to release it
  • [22:43:53] <mru> so nothing I can say is too hard
  • [22:43:54] <emeb> Cosmo`: you can get a replacement: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/TPS2141IPWP/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvZIhR0ic1l%2fUKCcyajp%2fuPC6X6rMVl7xk%3d
  • [22:44:14] <Cosmo`> ah good stuff, i'll look into it
  • [22:44:18] <lgentili> mru: I know, I even saw a post in QT blog, long time ago (3 months ago), about how to compile QT in tegra2 :(
  • [22:44:25] <Cosmo`> i'm not in any massive rush as it doesn't seem to be affecting the boards function
  • [22:44:29] <Cosmo`> just gets quite warm for some reason
  • [22:44:57] <mru> if I were to go and blow up nvidia's offices, it would perhaps be too hard
  • [22:45:00] <mru> perhaps...
  • [22:45:06] <emeb> Cosmo`: hopefully its not mortally wounded. Be aware that it might fail eventually though.
  • [22:45:09] <lgentili> mru: LOL
  • [22:45:55] <lgentili> mru: I agreed with your comments.... Thanks you did it.. and not me :)
  • [22:46:15] <Cosmo`> i see emeb
  • [22:46:22] <Cosmo`> i'll send gerald and e-mail and see what he has to say
  • [22:46:30] <Cosmo`> i'm surprised they're open to RMA's for incidents like this
  • [22:46:50] <lgentili> mru: I still want to work with this chip.
  • [22:46:58] <mru> Cosmo`: it just counts off your karma in the end
  • [22:47:04] <mru> lgentili: no you don't
  • [22:47:11] <mru> it's a boring chip
  • [22:47:25] <lgentili> mru: I like TI... but they are in the same boat... with the OMAP4.
  • [22:47:28] <emeb> Cosmo`: be aware that email thread is more than a year old - their policy may have changed since then.
  • [22:47:35] <mru> omap4 is a much, much more interesting chip
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  • [22:47:50] <Cosmo`> that's ok
  • [22:48:01] <Cosmo`> if you don't ask, you don't get
  • [22:48:16] <lgentili> mru: yep, but they are not doing the same for the comunity like they did with OMAP3
  • [22:48:20] <Cosmo`> and it's not really a personal purchase either, we bought quite alot of them
  • [22:48:41] <lgentili> mru: I hate the High Volume thingy...:(
  • [22:49:04] <mru> I think a low-cost omap4 board is likely
  • [22:49:12] <mru> or do you have hard info to the contrary?
  • [22:50:24] <lgentili> mru: I heard to Gerald saying it.
  • [22:50:50] <mru> when?
  • [22:51:03] <mru> the word used to be they'd be likely to do something
  • [22:51:52] <lgentili> mru: don't remember, I've to search in the [beagleboar] maillist
  • [22:52:07] <mru> either way, tegra isn't easy to get either
  • [22:52:11] <mru> and it's a boring chip
  • [22:52:33] <mru> no neon, no open dsp
  • [22:52:33] <lgentili> mru: you don't like beauce lacks of NEON?
  • [22:53:17] <lgentili> mru: yep, but's sad thing... no NOEN... but I like the GPU and PCIE interface.
  • [22:53:25] <mru> gpu is boring
  • [22:53:30] <lgentili> mru: hahah
  • [22:53:41] <lgentili> mru: I need the GPU for my app
  • [22:53:45] <mru> you can write opengles anywhere
  • [22:54:16] <mru> and don't expect their level of support to improve
  • [22:54:18] <lgentili> mru: and it's like x2 the 540 from PVR found in the oamp4
  • [22:54:31] <mru> says nvidia
  • [22:54:33] <lgentili> mru: I'm afraid of that too
  • [22:54:49] <mru> and it can't do 1080p h264
  • [22:54:58] <lgentili> can't believe compaines being so stupid
  • [22:55:47] <lgentili> how they will do to grow a comunity.. don't giving a shiiiet.
  • [22:55:52] <lgentili> of information
  • [22:56:13] <mru> they don't want a "community"
  • [22:56:19] <mru> they want a few large customers
  • [22:56:36] <lgentili> mru: yep, but that a good strat for a short term.. only
  • [22:57:12] <mru> big customers are much better than small ones
  • [22:57:24] <mru> a small customer can easily change vendors
  • [22:57:29] <mru> a big one not so easily
  • [22:57:31] <lgentili> I belive in what TI have done... planting "seeds"... with many new developers using their chips... I know this will have a big impact in long term
  • [22:58:17] <lgentili> a good example is Microchip... in the end of 90'
  • [22:58:42] <lgentili> they were giving free and chip developer tools...
  • [22:59:07] <lgentili> and some years after ... they had ton of developers... was exponential
  • [22:59:33] <lgentili> btw, do you have ARM hardware tools?
  • [22:59:38] <mru> no
  • [22:59:42] <mru> none needed
  • [23:00:34] <lgentili> I know, but you like to play with low-level stuff. do you use simulations in RVDS?
  • [23:00:57] <mru> I don't believe in simulators
  • [23:01:04] <mru> not when you have real hardware
  • [23:01:15] <mru> simulators are of course a necessity when developing a new chip
  • [23:01:27] <Cosmo`> i'm trying to get into hardware, slowly, i'm finding it quite difficult though
  • [23:01:45] <Cosmo`> especially when i keep blowing things up
  • [23:01:58] <likewise> mru: reading backlog; there is the android git for tegra2, did you check that?
  • [23:02:09] <mru> Cosmo`: blowing it up gives you a really good look inside
  • [23:02:12] <mru> likewise: yes, useless
  • [23:02:18] <Cosmo`> well mru i am actually a PhD student
  • [23:02:27] <Cosmo`> i have a background in software but i'm trying to get into hardware
  • [23:02:29] <lgentili> I have the tegra2 and coudlnt use it to do my benchmaks :(
  • [23:02:32] <Cosmo`> because i find it alot more interesting
  • [23:02:41] <mru> lgentili: same here
  • [23:02:46] <mru> no oprofile
  • [23:04:20] <lgentili> a nice toy like a realview ice unit wouldn't be useful for you?
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  • [23:04:31] <mru> not really
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  • [23:04:57] <mru> that's useful for debugging boot loaders or bare-metal stuff
  • [23:05:04] <mru> which I don't have time for anyway
  • [23:05:13] <lgentili> ok
  • [23:06:51] <lgentili> I've to talk with jkrinder then, I have a couple of extra units. and I don't need them, I would like to give one for free to the beagleboard community
  • [23:07:14] <lgentili> with a trace unit too
  • [23:09:50] <lgentili> is not a realview trace 2, its only the first version, but useful anyways.
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  • [23:10:34] <lgentili> jkridner: are you there?
  • [23:10:39] <Arun_> hi
  • [23:10:48] <lgentili> hi
  • [23:11:15] <Arun_> italians?
  • [23:11:49] <lgentili> My gran parent were from Italy
  • [23:12:45] <Arun_> i'm italian
  • [23:12:55] <Arun_> from battipaglia
  • [23:12:58] <Arun_> salerno
  • [23:13:05] <Arun_> do you know?
  • [23:13:24] <lgentili> Nope really, my family came from toscana
  • [23:14:13] <Arun_> where you live?
  • [23:14:20] <lgentili> Argentina
  • [23:14:26] <lgentili> Maradonaaa :P
  • [23:14:31] <lgentili> :(
  • [23:14:38] <Arun_> ahahah
  • [23:14:44] <lgentili> hehehe
  • [23:15:47] <lgentili> salerno is not north?
  • [23:15:47] <Arun_> yo tengo una amigas a rosario
  • [23:16:06] <Arun_> amiga*
  • [23:16:10] <lgentili> Cool, I'm at Rosario.
  • [23:16:27] <lgentili> But 1M people here
  • [23:16:39] <lgentili> so for sure I don't even know her
  • [23:17:21] <Cosmo`> surely it's Messi you shout for now no? ;)
  • [23:17:39] <Arun_> no se como decirlo
  • [23:17:52] <Arun_> salerno est?? a 60km da napoli
  • [23:18:00] <lgentili> Messi opened a new bar in Rosario.
  • [23:18:13] <Arun_> 40
  • [23:18:41] <lgentili> I'm not much fan of football
  • [23:19:06] <lgentili> but obviusly I will watch the worldchampion
  • [23:19:20] <Arun_> napoletan love maradona
  • [23:19:33] <lgentili> yep I know.. "santa Maradona"
  • [23:19:41] <lgentili> it's like God there
  • [23:19:44] <lgentili> :)
  • [23:19:58] <Arun_> eheheh
  • [23:20:01] <Arun_> yes yes
  • [23:20:59] <lgentili> mru: and what do you think about the IMX51. I saw that you had a proposal there
  • [23:21:26] <lgentili> mru: for your work in the ffmpeg
  • [23:21:44] <mru> lack of documentation as always
  • [23:21:48] <lgentili> mru: did that get any farther?
  • [23:22:13] <mru> no
  • [23:22:28] <Arun_> what's you job ?
  • [23:22:40] <lgentili> I beleive that stick to the BB XM is a better option now
  • [23:23:01] <lgentili> a run a small embedded company
  • [23:23:08] <mru> if they'd ever fix that damn memory corruption
  • [23:23:34] <lgentili> I didn't know nothing about a memory corruption :(
  • [23:23:45] <lgentili> is it in the DM3730?
  • [23:23:50] <emeb> why bother fixing it - they'll ship in a month and the community will figure it out :)
  • [23:23:54] <mru> software configuration error
  • [23:24:23] <mru> there are only a handful of people able to fix this
  • [23:24:29] <mru> and I'm not one of them
  • [23:25:24] <lgentili> software configuration error in the dram registers?
  • [23:25:33] <mru> not quite that simple
  • [23:25:39] <lgentili> :(
  • [23:25:40] <mru> that I could've fixed
  • [23:26:53] <lgentili> then is present in linux only? or in lower levels too...like u-boot.
  • [23:27:16] <lgentili> or barebone tests
  • [23:27:26] <mru> some clock, somewhere is being set wrong
  • [23:27:37] <mru> that's the theory
  • [23:28:36] <lgentili> emeb must be right then.. wtf they don't have the experts to fix that?
  • [23:29:58] * emeb was speaking ironically.
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  • [23:34:32] <lgentili> wow how many users in this room
  • [23:34:40] <lgentili> bb is growinggg
  • [23:35:37] <lgentili> mru: did you know that sakoman was the father of the Newton Apple?
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  • [23:37:16] <lgentili> the other day I was reading a book about Apple's history... and there was a big mention about Steve Sakoman
  • [23:38:10] <lgentili> it's a honor to have this guy here :O
  • [23:38:54] <mru> he's much nicer than that steve they have at apple now...
  • [23:40:00] <lgentili> what steve
  • [23:40:13] <mru> the evil one of course
  • [23:40:24] <buZz> jobs
  • [23:40:43] <lgentili> steve jobs is a genius
  • [23:40:53] <mru> perhaps
  • [23:40:58] <lgentili> really.
  • [23:40:59] <mru> but more than that he's evil
  • [23:41:11] <mru> control freak
  • [23:41:41] <lgentili> Apple was one of the first to use ARM :O
  • [23:42:00] <mru> I imagine acorn was the first
  • [23:43:25] <lgentili> if you wanna read a good book about these stories, I suggest this one: "Apple confidential 2.0"
  • [23:43:50] <buZz> there is also a movie
  • [23:43:58] <buZz> 'pirates of silicon valley'
  • [23:44:03] <lgentili> yeah.
  • [23:44:07] <lgentili> I love that moview
  • [23:44:16] <buZz> same here :)
  • [23:44:39] <lgentili> Can't believe when I heard the address of Apple at Silicon Valley
  • [23:44:46] <lgentili> Infinit Loop 0
  • [23:44:51] <lgentili> excellent !
  • [23:45:12] <lgentili> the street name is "infinit loop"
  • [23:45:19] <lgentili> damn, brillant
  • [23:45:33] <mru> all streets down there have such names
  • [23:45:58] <lgentili> I didn't expect so cool name
  • [23:46:01] <mru> I'm sure there's a Core Dump Boulevard somewhere...
  • [23:46:08] <lgentili> hehehe
  • [23:46:16] <mru> and a Hard Disk Drive
  • [23:46:27] <lgentili> hahahaa
  • [23:47:56] <lgentili> Sakoman is... like we say down here: GROSO
  • [23:48:21] <lgentili> I'm reading the book now...And didn't know he worked in the Macs too!
  • [23:48:54] <lgentili> I will copy paste a little part
  • [23:50:58] <lgentili> hmm
  • [23:51:12] <lgentili> can't past a big phrase
  • [23:51:33] <mru> don't paste lots of text here
  • [23:51:49] <lgentili> Or i'll get banned :O
  • [23:52:17] <lgentili> Just as the Macintosh started with one man, Jef Raskin, the Newton
  • [23:52:24] <lgentili> was the brainchild of hardware engineer Steve Sakoman. After helping create
  • [23:52:33] <lgentili> and launch the Mac Plus, Mac SE, and Mac II, by March 1987 Sakoman
  • [23:52:37] <mru> I said don't
  • [23:52:45] <lgentili> only those lines :P
  • [23:52:52] <lgentili> mom
  • [23:52:53] <lgentili> :P
  • [23:54:05] <lgentili> now... Sakoman is my new hero :)
  • [23:54:45] <lgentili> buZz: did you know this info I have posted?
  • [23:55:00] <lgentili> or I'm the only ignorant
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  • [23:58:15] <lgentili> hey where is the social part here... or I have to ask.. my BB doesn't respond to COM1 ... to get some attention :(