[00:00:59] <djlewis> under the edge of a huge storm center, suddenly dead calm, and cooled to a fog.
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[00:05:39] <Ikarus> hey erm, anyone know if it would be possible to hook up both DVI and a LCD panel to a BeagleBoard or OMAP3xxx in general and if so what it would take to do so and under what limitations
[00:06:13] <mru> if they both support the same timings, they'll simply show the same picture
[00:06:32] <Ikarus> mru: assume I want to show different things on each, I know mirroring should work
[00:06:39] <mru> impossible
[00:06:41] <mru> same pins
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[00:07:16] <Ikarus> mru: yes, but I wondering if one of the protocols could handle multiple displays
[00:07:26] <Ikarus> the documentation hints at it, but is just a aweful nightmare
[00:07:47] <mru> the exact same signal goes to the lcd header and the dvi framer chip
[00:07:54] <mru> look at the schematics
[00:08:05] <Ikarus> yes
[00:08:26] <Ikarus> but the DVI framer supports all sorts of setup via i2c
[00:08:53] <mru> can it be set to only send a part of the image?
[00:08:55] <Ikarus> and worst case I don't mind having to hackup a little expansion board with both the LCD signal converter and a different DVI framer
[00:09:39] <mru> well, suppose you did split the image somehow
[00:10:04] <mru> you'd end up with two images, each having a very long blanking interval
[00:10:10] <mru> either horizontal or vertical
[00:10:18] <Ikarus> mru: which given the kind of outputs I am looking for is fine
[00:10:18] <mru> depending on the split direction
[00:10:43] <mru> if your displays handle it, fine
[00:10:47] <mru> most dvi monitors don't
[00:11:09] * mru longs for the good old days when monitors ate any signal you could throw at them
[00:11:10] <Ikarus> mru: there are DVI framers that reclock
[00:11:12] <djlewis> gotta shutdown for storms..
[00:11:17] <djlewis> later guys :)
[00:11:32] <mru> the omap will still be sending the pixels out at the same rate
[00:11:37] <mru> nothing you can do about that
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[00:11:57] <Ikarus> mru: the OMAP can drive displays up to 2048x2048 iirc
[00:11:59] <mru> I suppose you could buffer one line at a time and resend it with a lower pixclock
[00:12:16] <Ikarus> mru: and yes, that is exactly what those DVI framers do
[00:12:22] <Ikarus> although they do it on a per frame basis
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[00:12:37] <Ikarus> but not sure if they can select an area
[00:12:42] <mru> the omap pixclock is limited to 86MHz
[00:12:44] <Ikarus> it's meant for scaling not selecting
[00:13:20] <mru> so halving the clock for displaying half the width would give you ~40Mhz
[00:13:59] <Ikarus> and YES the TFP410 does support having a displayed frame smaller then the full frame
[00:14:26] <Ikarus> now I just have to find a chip to drive my TFT that can do the same stunt
[00:14:37] <mru> and pray your dvi monitor isn't fussy
[00:14:43] <ragha_> any handy DSS2 commands to redirect LCD output to s-video
[00:15:48] <Ikarus> mru: the TFP410 seems to do it cleanly
[00:16:12] <mru> many monitors refuse to accept anything but standard vesa moes
[00:16:13] <mru> modes
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[00:21:40] <Ikarus> huh, hold on, the OMAP3530 itself does support 2 displays shame the pins aren't exposed
[00:22:35] <Ikarus> also in DSI protocol mode it supports multiple flows on one display pin set
[00:24:39] <mru> yes, but the beagle isn't wired up for that
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[00:26:56] <Ikarus> mru: can't even use DSI protocol ?
[00:27:20] <mru> with the dvi framer, probably not
[00:27:46] <Ikarus> mru: I'm thinking on the breakout headers
[00:27:47] <mru> if switch that off an use your own expansion board, maybe
[00:27:53] <Ikarus> I don't mind not using the onboard one
[00:28:08] <mru> I don't know much about dsi
[00:29:05] <Ikarus> hmz, seems none of the beagle clones have the second output exposed either
[00:29:12] <Ikarus> nor any of the other affordable modules
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[00:35:30] <djlewis> so far so good :) 11 tornado warnings active atm.
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[01:31:19] <tomatoes7> didn't think i would take that long
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[01:47:51] <ds2> hmmmm
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[01:54:43] <djlewis> diddee hum
[01:57:09] * djlewis is still dodging tornado's ...
[02:01:25] <ds2> djlewis: frogger 2010? :D
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[02:10:23] <tomatoes7> how do i get xchat to display timestamps?
[02:12:52] <djlewis> looks like 8 were confirmed yesterday and already 3 today.
[02:13:21] <tomatoes7> where at?
[02:13:31] <tomatoes7> where are you getting your news?
[02:14:40] <djlewis> central Arkansas USA and wunderground
[02:16:33] <djlewis> under wunderground.com wundermap there are options
[02:18:26] <tomatoes7> its all red there
[02:18:51] <djlewis> you should have seen it a couple hours back.
[02:18:54] <tomatoes7> there was a tornado at the end of the movie A Serious Man
[02:19:22] <djlewis> well, I am a serious man ;P and I dont want a tornado at the end of my movie...
[02:19:31] <tomatoes7> it looks like they're shooting off missiles to defend against the tornadoes http://www.wunderground.com/US/AR/047.html
[02:19:46] <tomatoes7> they can kill you can't they
[02:20:05] <djlewis> hehee
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[02:27:23] <djlewis> no they just carry us off to the land of Oz :)
[02:29:02] <tomatoes7> i don't think we're in arkansas anymore
[02:29:47] <tomatoes7> i was in LA talking to people in the television industry who were originally from kansas, i thought they were joking
[02:30:30] <djlewis> I suppose one has to live inKansas to appreaciate it.
[02:34:04] <tomatoes7> i'm not trashing kansas
[02:34:21] <tomatoes7> i'm from new jersey for gods sake
[02:36:54] <tomatoes7> http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=webgal&number=190&album_id=86&thumbstart=0&gallery=VIPPICT#slideanchor
[02:37:22] <tomatoes7> this guy's got hit at the pump
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[02:45:24] <djlewis> doesn't look like it was even bolted down
[02:50:23] <djlewis> well, I'm gonna relax for a while :)
[02:50:27] <djlewis> later..
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[02:51:17] <tomatoes7> bye
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[09:41:04] <unrated> hi all
[09:41:56] <unrated> anyone using gstreamer-ti here ?
[09:44:17] <_av500_> not many
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[09:44:59] <unrated> hi _av500_ :)
[09:45:04] <_av500_> hi
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[09:45:49] <_av500_> unrated: there is also #gst_ti
[09:45:53] <unrated> i have some errors when running gstreamer-ti to play mp3 files on my machine
[09:46:07] <_av500_> but is not very active
[09:46:58] <unrated> owh, yeah thanks for your info, i am very newbie in omap
[09:48:26] <unrated> btw, when i m running "#gst-launch filesrc location=/home/you-die/oprek/gstreamer/syahrani.mp3 ! TIAuddec1 codecName=mp3dec engineName=decode ! alsasink"
[09:48:41] <unrated> i get error about engineName
[09:49:02] <unrated> the error is ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstTIAuddec1:tiauddec10: failed to open codec engine "decode"
[09:49:17] <unrated> can you help me
[09:51:32] <_av500_> yes, it cannot find the codec combo
[09:51:42] <_av500_> one of those 64p files
[09:52:17] <_av500_> i dont know where it expects it, try to launch from the folder where the x64p files are
[09:52:22] <unrated> so, where i found codec combo
[09:52:28] <_av500_> also, export CE_DEBUG=2
[09:52:44] <_av500_> should give you some debug
[09:52:46] <_av500_> bbl
[09:55:08] <unrated> i mean, what a package consist of codec combo ?
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[10:43:57] <_av500_> unrated: a codec combo is the dsp OS plus a number of codecs
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[11:30:37] <unrated> i get decodeCombo.x64P files in DVSDK package, so how to integrate this codec to my omap
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[12:51:40] * mru stabs chip vendor patches
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[13:05:16] <_av500_> unrated: try just placing it where you launch gst
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[13:25:21] <viridior> anyone had luck with xf86-video-omapfb with xorg-server-1.7.6... erroring out on dpms.h
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[13:50:25] <koen> _av500_: isn't that a codec server?
[13:53:16] <_av500_> or a codec image?
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[13:55:25] <koen> the server/combo difference is a nice way to confuse most TI people
[13:55:58] <koen> I'm still not sure what the exact difference is
[14:04:52] <mru> codesourcery 2010q1 is online btw
[14:05:06] <koen> ah
[14:05:17] <koen> I guess TI people used the beta
[14:05:32] <koen> I've been meaning to ask you about csl 2010q1 for some weeks now :)
[14:06:12] <mru> in usual manner they've put the files up without updating the main page
[14:06:21] <mru> so I missed that they've been there for a week or so
[14:06:25] <mru> according to timestamps
[14:06:40] <koen> what's it based on?
[14:06:42] <koen> gcc 4.5?
[14:07:17] <mru> don't know
[14:07:20] <mru> downloading it now
[14:07:25] <topfs2> did you get all the deps down yet koen ;)
[14:08:22] <koen> topfs2: yes, but the recursive configure is broken
[14:08:31] <koen> topfs2: it doesn't pass on the --target --host, etc
[14:08:43] <koen> I'm going to try a native build later next week
[14:09:58] <mru> I've been battling a sigma chip the last couple of days
[14:10:00] <mru> it lost
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[14:11:36] <topfs2> koen, hmm weird, I'll ping someone inside teamxbmc which can build about it and I'll see if I can get you some info
[14:11:52] <topfs2> noone online now unfortuanatly :S
[14:11:58] <mru> bundled libs are evil
[14:12:52] <topfs2> yeah, causes alot of harm
[14:12:59] <djlewis> nine more tornado confirmed overnight
[14:14:13] <djlewis> oops, i crossed a state boundary. make it six
[14:14:26] <koen> topfs2: I suspect noone crosscompiles xbmc
[14:14:43] <koen> topfs2: the hard dependency on nasm is weird as well, since that's x86 only
[14:15:25] <topfs2> those I know of uses scratchbox on their workstations and just copy it over
[14:15:56] <koen> scratchbox uses qemu, so that counts as native compilation
[14:16:08] <koen> that only works for stuff that qemu supports
[14:16:19] <koen> and till recently, armv7a wasn't on that list
[14:16:25] <topfs2> aha
[14:16:35] <mru> is it now?
[14:16:44] <mru> I didn't notice them fixing all the neon bugs
[14:17:21] <koen> dunno if neon works, but basic armv7a stuff does work with qemu 0.12.x
[14:17:37] <koen> with basic stuff I mean "glibc localegen"
[14:17:39] <topfs2> hopefully when more libs drop off the bundled lib list real crosscompile will be more possible
[14:17:51] <mru> basic armv7a is basically armv6
[14:18:07] <mru> and gcc doesn't even use v6-specific instructions much
[14:18:28] <mru> I fixed a bunch of qemu bugs for v6
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[14:30:49] <akshat> Hello :)
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[14:35:00] <akshat> Is anyone using the latest angstrom build on c3 board?
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[15:17:23] <_av500_> mru: i doubt you need neon to run gcc in qemu
[15:17:57] <_av500_> koen: i got introduced to it as combo
[15:18:03] <_av500_> later it was a server
[15:18:07] <_av500_> i coped
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[15:22:15] <abhijitb> hi everyone ... i have a running lucid image on beagleboard
[15:22:29] <abhijitb> but now i want to build a custome omap3 kernel (with ti drivers)
[15:22:41] * _av500_ has lucid moments at times
[15:22:58] <abhijitb> can anyone point me to some howto's if they exist at all?
[15:23:31] <_av500_> use angstrom/oe
[15:24:18] <abhijitb> is there a way to just pull the kernel ? angstorm/oe stuff starts building everything
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[15:27:44] <_av500_> i guess you can pull the kernel, patches and recipe from git...
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[15:31:44] <abhijitb> _av500_: thanks i will take a look ..
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[15:43:56] <Pierrot> hello world !
[15:45:17] <Pierrot> I have a question, I want to recompile uboot, one suggested me to use sourecry, is this correct ?
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[15:49:22] <Pierrot> Sorry, I got disconneted, any answered my question ? (I may have lost the answer, sorry)
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[15:53:21] <viridior> koen: all of the latest xf86-video-omapfb work here?... http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/
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[17:35:24] <ds2> morning
[17:35:34] <ikkakujyu> mooorning
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[17:39:38] <applehat> Question.
[17:39:53] <Crofton> just ask, if anyone has an idea they will respond
[17:39:53] <applehat> The Beagleboard uses an OMAP3 processor, like the Motorolla Droid / Milestone.
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[17:40:02] <applehat> Correct?
[17:40:12] <ikkakujyu> OMAP3530 to be exact.
[17:41:02] <ikkakujyu> 3430 even
[17:41:04] <applehat> Alright - moving on. My friends Motorolla Droid runs a hacked kernel that will scale it to 1300mhz on Demand, but allows it to idle at normal clock speeds - We use a program called SetCPU that handles this trottling of the processor
[17:41:24] <applehat> Could you do this with a beagleboard?
[17:41:28] <Ikarus> sure
[17:41:46] <Ikarus> but above 600Mhz (or 720Mhz depending on the revision) you lose your warranty
[17:41:47] <applehat> Does it sound like an awefull, processor killing idea? haha
[17:41:56] <Ikarus> applehat: it is utterly stupid
[17:42:05] <ikkakujyu> iirc it messes with the clock rate of the DSP
[17:42:06] <Ikarus> mainly as damage can be slow
[17:42:20] <ikkakujyu> which is why Nokia N800s were originally underclocked
[17:42:39] <Ikarus> N900 is clocked at 500Mhz due to life span guarantees
[17:42:52] <applehat> 720Mhz is probably enough to run Android fast and stable
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[17:43:03] <Ikarus> applehat: should be more then
[17:43:21] <Ikarus> although Android doesn't use the GPU for it's effects
[17:43:25] <Ikarus> so that is a bit of a limit
[17:43:37] <applehat> I'd keep all the effects turned off
[17:43:43] <ikkakujyu> maemo supremacy
[17:43:48] <Ikarus> hmhm
[17:43:50] <Ikarus> Maemo ftw
[17:43:52] <applehat> My G1 / MyTouch running the SuperD rom FLYS on 500Mhz and 98mb of ram
[17:44:32] <applehat> So I imagine 720Mhz and...how much ram does a beagleboard have...256mb? would be really fast
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[17:48:35] <_av500_> it is ok to run android
[17:48:41] <_av500_> as you can see with the droid
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[17:50:55] <Ikarus> it's illegal to run any of the google binary apps though
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[17:56:50] <applehat> Its illegal without permission / paying google
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[18:50:35] <JDuke128> Hi , TI Codec Engine requires extra license money ?
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[18:55:14] <Drumpi> hello everyone
[18:55:30] <Drumpi> how are you?
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[19:01:09] <Drumpi> sorry, but i need help with tv-out
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[19:05:51] <Ikarus> Drumpi: ask don't ask to ask
[19:06:22] <mru> can I ask a question, or do I need to ask first?
[19:07:45] <JDuke128> Hi , TI Codec Engine requires extra license money ?
[19:08:15] <Drumpi> ok, i'm following the LinuxHints tutorials to show video on S-Video conector, but /sys/class don't have the display_control folder
[19:08:49] <Drumpi> i was looking on internet some solutions, but i'm not lucky
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[19:09:38] <Drumpi> and i got the demo-image from google-code
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[19:10:48] <Drumpi> I found some people with same problem with no answer, or "you're out of luck".
[19:14:06] <mru> maybe you need to wait a few days to let your luck accumulate a bit
[19:14:30] <mru> try not to do anything risky in the meantime
[19:14:39] <mru> stay indoors, etc
[19:14:40] <Drumpi> ????U
[19:16:36] <Drumpi> sorry if i don't laugh, but i'm looking for it 4 hours, i'm a little tired now
[19:22:33] <djlewis> gm mru
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[19:33:18] <Drumpi> so, there is not solution? even with DSS2?
[19:40:56] <Drumpi> ok, thanks, i will try again
[19:41:04] <Drumpi> bye
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[20:00:18] <prpplague> koen: ping
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[20:11:07] <_av500_> JDuke128: no
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[20:20:18] <koen> prpplague: pong
[20:20:36] <prpplague> koen: nm, i found it, was looking for that eeprom script
[20:21:10] <koen> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/plain/recipes/i2c-tools/omap3-writeprom/writeprom.sh?id=58fa34bf8aa9719f4dddfaf7d4f03614c1c6bc65
[20:21:20] <koen> that should be the latest version
[20:21:51] <koen> I'd like to track down what's causing Andreys 'slowness' problems with the new u-boot
[20:23:13] <prpplague> koen: yea i need to resond to his posts about the trainer
[20:24:35] <koen> Packaged contents of avrdude into /OE/angstrom-dev/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv7a/avrdude_5.10-r0.5_armv7a.ipk
[20:24:44] <koen> andrey sent me his avrdude recipe
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[20:27:24] <_av500_> koen: prpplague: i know i sound like a borken record, but having ppl to chase matchig kernel and uboot versions is a (.bb) recipe for lots of pain
[20:27:29] <Crofton|work> ok, time to install 24" monitor ....
[20:27:49] <_av500_> Crofton|work: mine installed nicely on my desk
[20:28:00] <prpplague> _av500_: not sure what you are refering to
[20:28:03] <Crofton|work> I think I have to clean desk first
[20:28:11] <_av500_> "gravity" driver was all i needed
[20:28:30] <prpplague> koen: yea i had planned on adding the avrdude to the build but it was low priority
[20:28:35] <_av500_> prpplague: e.g. doing your addon board muxing in uboot
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[20:29:27] <prpplague> _av500_: not really sure there is any other choice than doing it in uboot at this stage
[20:29:46] <_av500_> what stage?
[20:30:01] <prpplague> _av500_: let me rephrase the statement
[20:30:09] <prpplague> _av500_: where else would you want to do it?
[20:30:19] <_av500_> kernel
[20:30:37] <koen> _av500_: it is, but C5 and xM are going to ship with a recent uboot and matching uImage by default
[20:31:11] <prpplague> _av500_: i agree it _should_ be done in the kernel, however, all of that stuff is currently still broken
[20:31:18] <_av500_> so, pain hidden until further notice
[20:32:20] <koen> right
[20:32:45] <_av500_> koen: in the end you might build ubootuimage.bin files
[20:33:15] <koen> I considered just prepending the config header to a zImage
[20:33:25] <koen> but that wouldn't work across boards
[20:33:26] <_av500_> gn, more sparing tomorrow :)
[20:33:36] <_av500_> sparring?
[20:34:07] <koen> TI engineers are worse than customers, they need handholding for creating an sd card
[20:34:15] <koen> and I need to make stuff work for them :)
[20:34:17] <prpplague> indeed
[20:34:29] <_av500_> why do i so believe that?
[20:34:30] <mru> their fault for making it so darned difficult
[20:34:50] * koen got informed tomorow is a holiday in the uk
[20:35:11] <_av500_> koen: as long as the kernel is multiboard, picking the right conf header and prepending it is much less pain
[20:35:32] <_av500_> pll normally know what board they want to run
[20:35:35] <koen> the conf header is board dependant on beagle
[20:35:42] <koen> heh, no, people don't know
[20:35:53] <_av500_> we are doomed
[20:35:55] <koen> I found that out the hard way
[20:36:35] <prpplague> yea andrey seems a little confused on how alot of things work
[20:36:46] <prpplague> guess i'm going to have to post some very very very very basic howtos
[20:36:47] <_av500_> ok, gn for good
[20:36:59] <koen> _av500_: gn
[20:37:52] <koen> prpplague: and sources for the binaries you put out :)
[20:38:36] <prpplague> koen: those were just test images, i've got the patches going up later today
[20:38:44] * koen imagines people will be even more lost when that bamboo chewer board gets released
[20:39:04] <prpplague> koen: oh, btw, can you change the i2c-tools config recipe to build the eeprom utils as well?
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[20:39:21] <koen> sure, what do I need to add?
[20:39:46] * mru is still waiting for the xm memory fix
[20:40:07] <mru> I could really use that r3p2 A8 core
[20:40:15] <mru> and the faster ram
[20:40:35] <koen> mru: sadly the kernel team in india refused to use the beagle patches we have and is recreating all of them
[20:40:45] <mru> typical
[20:41:38] <koen> if that solves the problem, I'm not going to complain about it
[20:41:42] <koen> *if*
[20:42:50] <mru> guess I'll be fighting the tegra2 in the meantime then
[20:43:09] <koen> prpplague: there's a "i2c-tools: build & install eepromer tools
[20:43:14] <koen> " commit from last year
[20:43:57] <prpplague> koen: well the i2c-tools builds but the eeprom utils aren't built
[20:44:41] <prpplague> koen: just need to on the compile cd to the eepromer dir and do a make
[20:45:55] <koen> prpplague: like this: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=35ccef0bc225c7d05c98ebbc63e568aa3856d7ab ?
[20:47:05] <koen> I have these inside:
[20:47:05] <koen> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 8664 2010-05-02 22:46 ./usr/sbin/eeprom
[20:47:06] <koen> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 10052 2010-05-02 22:46 ./usr/sbin/eeprog
[20:47:06] <koen> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 8736 2010-05-02 22:46 ./usr/sbin/eepromer
[20:47:19] * koen doesn't anything anout eeproms, though
[20:47:22] <prpplague> yea
[20:47:38] <prpplague> that in the dev branch?
[20:47:41] <koen> yes
[20:47:41] <mru> btw codesourcery 2010q1 is still gcc 4.4.1
[20:47:46] <prpplague> i didn't see it in stable
[20:47:52] <mru> guess they've piled on some more patches
[20:51:07] * koen prepares for some post apocalyptic scenes tomorrow
[20:51:30] <koen> the local soccer team became teh national champion
[20:51:44] <koen> so I guess all the holigans are thrashing the city now
[20:51:54] <mru> you mean football?
[20:52:12] <mru> btw, do you know the origin of the word hooligan?
[20:52:18] <koen> nope
[20:52:43] <mru> there was this particularly fierce one called Patrick Hooligan
[20:53:08] <mru> lived around 1900
[20:54:38] <mru> originally it was used of any ruffian
[20:54:43] <mru> the connexion with sports came later
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[20:55:58] <DaveDavenport> hmmm I thought koen was in uk, not twente
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[22:02:01] <tomatoes7> can someone post a link for an inexpensive lcd display...like 800x600 or something
[22:02:32] <djlewis> there is a stand alone USB touch screen available
[22:03:29] <tomatoes7> hi djlewis
[22:03:42] <djlewis> tomatoes7, or are you wanting to build your own level translator ckt and wire one up?
[22:03:49] <djlewis> hi tomatoes7
[22:04:19] <tomatoes7> i suppose i could do i using lvds
[22:05:02] <djlewis> using the onboard DVI might be simpler.
[22:05:42] <tomatoes7> yeah
[22:05:43] <djlewis> I think TincanTools is introducing a 800x600 with interface to BB in the near future.
[22:05:59] <djlewis> a touch screen and some buttons
[22:08:25] <tomatoes7> irtouch systems $189 for a 15.1" touchscreen
[22:08:36] <tomatoes7> digikey part number 653-1003-nd
[22:10:02] <tomatoes7> 6 inch $91 digikey part number 653-1009-nd
[22:11:33] <tomatoes7> i think this one sits on top of an lcd display
[22:11:43] <djlewis> thats what I'm seeing
[22:12:20] <djlewis> I wonder why they show a hdmi cable with it ?
[22:12:30] <djlewis> nm, its a usb
[22:13:02] <tomatoes7> xenarcdirectcom
[22:13:10] <tomatoes7> product id=16194
[22:14:00] <tomatoes7> oh wow, its only $399
[22:14:21] <tomatoes7> forget it...i'll just remote login
[22:15:03] <djlewis> my 17" Samsung DVI/VGA was free.
[22:15:27] <djlewis> found it in a dumpster and it was in warranty , so... :)
[22:17:10] <tomatoes7> nice
[22:17:28] <djlewis> no touch screen
[22:17:45] <tomatoes7> buy one from irtouch
[22:17:54] <tomatoes7> for 200
[22:18:06] <tomatoes7> or more....whatever the 17inch one costs
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[22:32:20] <SmkMnstr> wow this place is first channel that comes up for google search "viterbi irc"
[22:32:53] <SmkMnstr> how do i normalize viterbi probabilitys for sentence length in part of speech tagging? :)
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[22:34:05] <Crofton|work> :)
[22:34:18] <Crofton|work> I do not think we know :)
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[22:35:38] <emeb> wow - whoda thunk we'd see a question like that?
[22:37:04] <mru> not every day we get to see a Real Question
[22:37:58] <emeb> hadn't occurred to me that one might use Viterbi for speech. I suppose you could though...
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[22:40:18] <SmkMnstr> yeah markov models are used for a lot of stuff
[22:41:13] <SmkMnstr> 1st time i used viterbi was for speech recognition, 2nd time (now) im doing part of speech tagging, as in noun, verb, etc
[22:41:40] <emeb> I've only used it for FEC in digital comms where you have to explicitly add the redundancy. I suppose that for speech it's built in.
[22:42:10] <SmkMnstr> The/AT quick/JJ brown/JJ fox/NN jumped/VBD over/IN the/AT lazy/JJ dog/NN .
[22:42:15] <SmkMnstr> i see emeb, i have read about that
[22:42:34] <SmkMnstr> in fact theres an interesting concept about the error selection criteria i read
[22:42:55] <SmkMnstr> that might apply to what im doing
[22:43:07] <SmkMnstr> abut when the viterbi path, prob, is higher than the sum of all the other possible paths
[22:43:42] <SmkMnstr> im trying to filter my results by how confident im right
[22:43:51] <janneg> SmkMnstr: have you tried to normalize it by the max path probablity of a sequence of the same length
[22:43:53] <emeb> I suppose the probabilities change depending on what language it is, who's speaking (age / geography / etc)
[22:44:57] <SmkMnstr> i have tried someting like that janneg but perhaps not thoroughly enough
[22:45:39] <SmkMnstr> the ergodic path, or viterbi path thru ergodic hmm, as i saw it discussed for speech recognition, ergodic = every state connects to every other
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[22:46:53] <SmkMnstr> the max path probability is a good idea thanks
[22:47:12] <emeb> gah! it's been > 20yrs since I took Probability & Random Variables. Haven't heard 'ergodic' since...
[22:47:39] <janneg> SmkMnstr: you could also try the viterbi path with the averge outpu probability in each state
[22:47:51] <janneg> +
[22:47:57] <janneg> +t
[22:48:25] <janneg> bah, the 't' is hard to hit
[22:49:23] <SmkMnstr> interesting, thanks a lot janneg
[22:56:41] <emeb> Crofton|work: Working on an IF DAC for my FPGA board: http://imagebin.org/95341
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[23:27:01] <JDuke128> Hi , TI Codec Engine requires extra license money ?
[23:27:19] <mru> only from parrots
[23:27:49] <JDuke128> ffmpeg and TI Codec Engine performance same ?
[23:28:01] <mru> hard to compare
[23:28:01] <JDuke128> did someone tried both ?
[23:28:10] <mru> ffmpeg handles many more codecs
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[23:29:05] <mru> CE codecs running on the dsp of course free up the cpu even if they're not well written as such
[23:29:11] <JDuke128> well , i just need very high performance 720p player i told it before
[23:29:23] <JDuke128> i think TI Codecs are faster..
[23:29:28] <JDuke128> i try and open blog
[23:29:31] <mru> they won't do 720p
[23:29:47] <mru> 720p in which codec btw?
[23:29:51] <JDuke128> i ve seen some demos that plays 720p on omap3530
[23:30:17] <mru> those were probably not using TI codecs
[23:30:22] <mru> and they were only demos
[23:30:43] <mru> there are a few commercial codecs that can do it
[23:30:54] <mru> at least if you push the frequency a bit
[23:31:05] <JDuke128> http://www.ittiam.com/pages/products/video-omap3-720p.htm
[23:31:13] <mru> ittiam is one of them, yes
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[23:31:28] <mru> it will use pretty much every cycle available on both the arm and the dsp
[23:32:08] <JDuke128> hmm
[23:32:13] <mru> then again, we did a demo playing 1080p h264 with ffmpeg
[23:32:21] <mru> but we used 6 beagles for that
[23:32:52] <JDuke128> waow
[23:33:19] <JDuke128> instead of using beagle , you can do special 6 omap on 1 board design ?
[23:33:54] <mru> we also used specially encoded files
[23:34:07] <mru> as I said, it was a demo
[23:34:13] <JDuke128> did u try TI Codecs before ?
[23:34:22] <JDuke128> u never tried TI Codecs ?
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[23:34:39] <mru> I'm more of an ffmpeg guy...
[23:35:08] <JDuke128> i donno but , cross platform things slows much ?
[23:35:16] <JDuke128> ffmpeg is slow for omap i think....
[23:35:31] <JDuke128> you can try TI Codec once more
[23:35:40] <mru> ffmpeg is the fastest open source you'll find
[23:36:26] <applehat> lol...this guy...
[23:36:44] <JDuke128> brb
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[23:43:59] <JDuke127>
[23:43:59] <JDuke127> KBOC_BB2 doessomeon know this system has double omap3530 processor ?
[23:44:03] <JDuke127> its really seems good
[23:45:13] <JDuke127> http://www.kwikbyte.com/KBOC_BB2.html
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[23:45:44] <mru> what makes you think it has two omaps?
[23:48:01] <JDuke127> high performance
[23:48:13] <JDuke127> with special kind of programs
[23:49:50] <muriani> called mobydick.txt. It's the entire fucking book...
[23:49:50] <muriani> 18:34 < RK> Bucket, IRC medical advice =~ s/is Sneezing/<reply> Sneezing/
[23:49:50] <muriani> 18:34 < Bucket> Okay, RK, factoid updated.
[23:49:54] <muriani> GAH
[23:50:02] <muriani> *headdesk*
[23:50:15] <muriani> sorry about that, guys
[23:50:42] * Animule lols at muriani
[23:53:55] <muriani> freaking terminal apps
[23:54:00] <muriani> I wish they'd be consistent
[23:54:05] <mru> mine are
[23:54:09] <muriani> and I can't install xfce4-terminal on windows
[23:54:16] <mru> mine are all xterm
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[23:54:17] <muriani> not without cygwin or some shit.
[23:54:36] <muriani> mru: heh. I like a little more functionality than xterm
[23:54:47] <mru> I tried a good few of the others
[23:55:01] <mru> I always went back to xterm because the _others_ were missing stuff
[23:55:21] <mru> sure, they have transparent backgrounds, but that gets tiring really quickly
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[23:55:53] <Pierrot> Hi, I'm not much familliar with Linux yet, I want to recompile uboot, how can I know if I have sourcery installed on my computer ?
[23:56:03] <mru> did you install it?
[23:56:06] <mru> if yes, yes
[23:56:07] <mru> if no, no
[23:56:14] <Pierrot> lol
[23:56:33] <Pierrot> I installed so many software, just don't remeber (but I think so)
[23:56:48] <Pierrot> I tried to start it with terminal : sourcery
[23:57:15] <Pierrot> looked for hidden folder in my user account
[23:57:24] <Pierrot> without any succes
[23:57:28] <mru> it's just a compiler
[23:57:33] <mru> there's no "it" to start
[23:57:49] <mru> try arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[23:57:52] <Pierrot> ok, I understand
[23:58:09] <Pierrot> command not found
[23:58:12] <mru> or type arm- and hit tab
[23:58:25] <Pierrot> nothing happen
[23:58:30] <Pierrot> ok, its not installed
[23:58:37] <mru> or it's not in your path
[23:58:45] <Pierrot> ahhhh
[23:58:53] <Pierrot> this ring some bells
[23:59:13] <mru> ding ding <-- those bells?
[23:59:20] <mru> \a \a <-- or those?
[23:59:44] <Pierrot> (sorry I had a car accident and since then, my memory is leaking, lol)