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  • [00:03:37] <SmkMnstr> we have a data train at company i work at
  • [00:03:51] <SmkMnstr> where we drive harddrives to/from datacenter few times a week
  • [00:04:07] <SmkMnstr> i forget how much data
  • [00:04:13] <SmkMnstr> i think maybe 20 terabytes
  • [00:05:09] <SmkMnstr> oh no
  • [00:05:14] <SmkMnstr> 62 tb
  • [00:05:18] <SmkMnstr> found the email :)
  • [00:06:00] <SmkMnstr> 'data shuttle' its called heh
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  • [00:06:41] <emeb> Hmm 62TB/72hours = 10MB/s. That's not so fast... :)
  • [00:07:14] <safal_soni> jkridner:sir if someone's proposal is selected then the mentors would be from the same mentoring organisations or from somewhere else?
  • [00:07:18] <SmkMnstr> 72 hours is too long
  • [00:07:43] <SmkMnstr> and its a lot of bandwidth to be copying 3x a week
  • [00:08:21] <SmkMnstr> i doubt we even get 10 MB/s to datacenter, tho not sure
  • [00:08:30] <SmkMnstr> from office that is
  • [00:08:33] <emeb> Ah. Guessing "few times a week" = ~2. Also, off by factor of 24. So it's really 360MB/s.
  • [00:08:55] <SmkMnstr> ah heh
  • [00:09:10] <SmkMnstr> well now youre just confusing me
  • [00:09:24] <SmkMnstr> anyway, im pretty sure it can make sense to drive data around
  • [00:10:34] <emeb> agree
  • [00:24:28] <FJ_Sanchez> I need your opinion about possible impact of DSP accelerated OpenCV in the beagleboard.org community if it's sucesfully completed...
  • [00:24:38] <FJ_Sanchez> I just copied it literally
  • [00:24:50] <FJ_Sanchez> Any Google SoC mentor?
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  • [00:31:29] <FJ_Sanchez> Can anyone give me him/her opinion?
  • [00:35:48] <noway> tomorrow is the last day to submit their applications via the Google Summer of Code 2010 site ?
  • [00:36:08] <noway> students
  • [00:36:08] <thurbad> I think so, noway
  • [00:36:44] <noway> thurbad : you apply for that?
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  • [00:38:22] <noway> thurbad : i am going to apply
  • [00:38:40] <FJ_Sanchez> Yes, tomorrow is the last day
  • [00:38:52] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm going to apply but I need the feedback of the community
  • [00:40:02] <noway> what is your project?
  • [00:42:16] <FJ_Sanchez> I want to accelerate OpenCV using the Beagleboard's DSP
  • [00:42:29] <FJ_Sanchez> I've to create this in the beagleboard.org website
  • [00:45:32] <noway> so you should have your project in beagleboard.org before
  • [00:45:36] <noway> ?
  • [00:46:28] <thurbad> noway, not really a student at the moment
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  • [00:47:18] <FJ_Sanchez> noway: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#General_requirements
  • [00:47:41] <FJ_Sanchez> I think you don't have to add it before
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  • [00:48:55] <noway> The project must be registered on http://beagleboard.org/project
  • [00:51:59] <FJ_Sanchez> Yeah, but I think when it's accepted
  • [00:52:10] <FJ_Sanchez> Other way a lot of projects would get registered
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  • [00:56:40] <noway> so you ve written your project for them "googlesummer"
  • [00:56:41] <noway> ?
  • [00:57:58] <noway> and you should write the whole project or the main idea
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  • [01:19:44] <ds2> hmm
  • [01:23:38] <FJ_Sanchez> ds2: can you give feedback?
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  • [01:27:02] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder how well a beagleboard would work in space (in one of those cubesats).
  • [01:27:18] <DanaG> Beagle-XM with camera could be nice.
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  • [01:28:58] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, just today on this channel there was a lot of discussion about your project idea.
  • [01:29:12] <FJ_Sanchez> Arrgg
  • [01:29:20] <FJ_Sanchez> I miss this...
  • [01:29:26] <djlewis> YOu might review the logs
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  • [01:29:56] <FJ_Sanchez> What happens if there is more than 1 student for the same project?
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  • [01:33:01] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, review dkasunw and jkridner discuss begind about 16:27
  • [01:33:12] <FJ_Sanchez> djlewis: Reading just now
  • [01:33:14] <FJ_Sanchez> ;)
  • [01:33:16] <FJ_Sanchez> thank you
  • [01:33:21] <djlewis> cool
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  • [01:33:39] <FJ_Sanchez> Did you try opencv 2.0 on beagleboard?
  • [01:33:44] <djlewis> yes
  • [01:35:08] <djlewis> I dnld'd it and built it natively on my BB rev C2
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  • [01:36:14] * djlewis has been wondering if camera performance will be improved with the BB-xm
  • [01:36:30] <FJ_Sanchez> Cannot find anything about this Bb-xm...
  • [01:36:49] <djlewis> new product under design and testing phases now
  • [01:37:42] <djlewis> you can find info on it in the google user group per gerald
  • [01:37:47] <NotZed> morning
  • [01:37:51] <djlewis> hi
  • [01:37:59] <DanaG> "state of the beagle"
  • [01:38:03] <DanaG> should be googleable.
  • [01:38:11] <FJ_Sanchez> Thx
  • [01:38:12] <djlewis> nope, I live in state of Arkansas
  • [01:38:15] <djlewis> ;)
  • [01:38:57] <djlewis> ya might include board on that google :)
  • [01:39:15] <djlewis> lots of hounds out there
  • [01:39:22] <FJ_Sanchez> x'DD
  • [01:39:43] <FJ_Sanchez> That new version looks very nice
  • [01:39:55] <FJ_Sanchez> I'll wait to BB-xm Rev. C3
  • [01:40:08] <FJ_Sanchez> just for the noisy rails...
  • [01:40:31] <djlewis> yes, never grab the first run ...
  • [01:41:18] <FJ_Sanchez> Rule of the thumb
  • [01:41:31] <djlewis> i've been mostly pleased with my C2
  • [01:42:13] <thurbad> my C3 was a POS :/ broke within a week
  • [01:42:28] <thurbad> just bad luck I suppose
  • [01:42:35] <djlewis> thurbad, I thought you broke it..
  • [01:42:52] <FJ_Sanchez> I've C3 but the USB still buggs me...
  • [01:43:30] <djlewis> I try to keep in mind the BeagleBoard is a learning tool, not designed for commercial use.
  • [01:43:47] <thurbad> a pin inside the mmc socket snapped off, I wouldn't really wouldn't call that improper usage or neglect
  • [01:44:04] <djlewis> bummer
  • [01:44:29] <FJ_Sanchez> djlewis: I've spend a lot of time with USB problems...
  • [01:44:37] <thurbad> I sent it to a shop, but they haven't been able to get a hold of a replacement socket yet
  • [01:45:00] <djlewis> if people will stop burning fields and whatever then perhaps I can get some astronomy in this weekend.
  • [01:45:21] <djlewis> thurbad, i expect you could get one from Gerald
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  • [01:45:36] <djlewis> or at least the source for it
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  • [01:46:03] <djlewis> talk with gerald and he might fix it for you.
  • [01:46:20] <thurbad> I'm really not sure why the shop can't get one.. they are a manufacturing plant that we almost used to build beagleboard knockoffs for our project
  • [01:46:45] <djlewis> perhaps you havent shalen enough green at them ;)
  • [01:46:49] <djlewis> shaken
  • [01:47:08] <thurbad> maybe.. I'm not the one paying for it ~.~
  • [01:48:26] <djlewis> got some sensors and encoder wheels in today.
  • [01:48:44] <thurbad> ... but then again we did fire this plant
  • [01:48:56] <thurbad> not me personally
  • [01:49:03] <djlewis> get your board and talk to gerals
  • [01:49:08] <djlewis> gerald
  • [01:49:52] <thurbad> how would I go about contacting Gerald?
  • [01:50:06] <djlewis> he is always on the bb google email list
  • [01:50:24] <thurbad> not exactly sure who he is, although I've heard the name
  • [01:50:27] <djlewis> post your board info and prob and ask if it can be repaired
  • [01:50:30] <adyk20> hi everyone. i'm trying to propose for the GSoC 2010 a project that involves a thermostat expansion using the BB. This will have voice activated commands and an LCD/Touchscreen for, upclose configuration. I was wondering who here would be interested in such a thing and why. Thank you.
  • [01:51:09] <djlewis> adyk20, you are preaching to the choir here ;)
  • [01:51:18] <adyk20> trying to ;)
  • [01:51:43] <adyk20> just looking for some feedback on the idea
  • [01:52:47] <FJ_Sanchez> djlewis: that conversation wasn't very usesful for me...
  • [01:52:58] <FJ_Sanchez> Anyway, it was interesting
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  • [01:53:19] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, what I got from it was it might be a bit too much to accomplish in the given time.
  • [01:53:44] <FJ_Sanchez> Of course that a fully port need more time
  • [01:54:01] <FJ_Sanchez> But with 11 weeks it is possible to port most important parts
  • [01:54:14] <FJ_Sanchez> And also write a decent documentation so other can contribute after the SoC
  • [01:54:45] <FJ_Sanchez> The real goal is to get the OpenCV accelerated
  • [01:54:47] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, sorry, that's all I know of it for GSoC sake.
  • [01:55:00] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm
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  • [01:55:06] <adyk20> aaanyone ?
  • [01:55:10] <FJ_Sanchez> Anyway, I just see a comment from mry about this
  • [01:55:29] <djlewis> I was gonna ask you FJ_Sanchez
  • [01:55:39] <djlewis> if you read mru comment
  • [01:55:45] <NotZed> adyk20: can it go to the shop and get me some cat food and milk so i can stop the cat whining and make some coffee?
  • [01:56:08] <djlewis> NotZed, that was the other guy with the robot... :)
  • [01:56:20] <adyk20> NotZed: so far it hasn't got any legs, but it can be arranged for next gsoc
  • [01:56:57] <FJ_Sanchez> Seriously? Mine do that... is it a bug or a feature?
  • [01:57:04] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, as a user, developer I would love to see openCV speed up a good bit.
  • [01:57:36] <djlewis> I tried it for an autonomous bot but my bot is too fast for it.
  • [01:57:42] <djlewis> :)
  • [01:57:45] <NotZed> oh well, i fear the cat might be dead by then, and i need some coffee pretty soon.
  • [01:57:58] <FJ_Sanchez> Me too, I have this in mind long time ago
  • [01:58:05] <FJ_Sanchez> I was researching and so
  • [01:58:07] <adyk20> NotZed: cats come and go...
  • [01:58:17] <FJ_Sanchez> But I missed motivation
  • [01:58:32] <adyk20> NotZed: on a side note, mine is currently sleeping with it's feet up in the air
  • [01:58:45] <FJ_Sanchez> It's not extremely hard...
  • [01:58:47] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, my goal is stereo vision
  • [01:59:07] <FJ_Sanchez> ok, it can be implemented on top of accelerated functions
  • [01:59:08] <NotZed> actually i guess he could use those hunting skills and start catching birds again.
  • [01:59:48] <adyk20> NotZed: the cat ?
  • [01:59:51] <FJ_Sanchez> djlewis: http://cell.fixstars.com/opencv/index.php/OpenCV_on_the_Cell
  • [01:59:59] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I got the BB just for the vision and brains for the bot.
  • [02:00:05] <FJ_Sanchez> It's a different approach, as it paralelizes the work
  • [02:00:11] <FJ_Sanchez> but similar can be done with DSP
  • [02:00:20] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I have motor and sensor control already.
  • [02:00:29] <FJ_Sanchez> Only that it's harder to optimize a function for the DSP
  • [02:00:39] <NotZed> yes, for such a pussy he's a vicious and effective killer
  • [02:00:55] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I've been to this site before.
  • [02:01:12] <FJ_Sanchez> Also there is a port to the DM6446
  • [02:01:20] <djlewis> I have my BB doing openCV face recognition
  • [02:01:25] <djlewis> and it will track it
  • [02:01:26] <adyk20> NotZed: i donno, mine is quite mellow
  • [02:01:30] <FJ_Sanchez> Yeah, 8-9 seconds...
  • [02:01:33] <adyk20> NotZed: he sleeps all the time
  • [02:01:38] <djlewis> yep
  • [02:02:03] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, one has to move really slowly... :(
  • [02:02:17] <adyk20> NotZed: getting back to my question, would you cat perhaps want a voice controlled thermostat ?
  • [02:02:33] <FJ_Sanchez> There is a way to speed up it to 10-12 fps
  • [02:02:42] <djlewis> not enough.
  • [02:02:51] <FJ_Sanchez> Just processing some parts of the image...
  • [02:02:53] <djlewis> I need 20 - 30 fps
  • [02:03:02] <FJ_Sanchez> The guys at pixhawk do that...
  • [02:03:03] <djlewis> at 640x480 or better
  • [02:03:32] <NotZed> adyk20: i think he only knows one word, meow.
  • [02:04:04] <FJ_Sanchez> djlewis: I'm going to add your opinion to my application submit
  • [02:04:23] <adyk20> NotZed: i think we could combine the meow with certain factors, like running or staying upside down and get some more sounds
  • [02:04:28] <NotZed> (sorry i was up till 5am and awoken at 10 by a copper at the door, so i'm a little out of it)
  • [02:04:31] <djlewis> adyk20, there are a couple of mentors hanging about but 0600 - 1800 is more active
  • [02:05:11] <djlewis> GMT
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  • [02:05:40] <adyk20> djlewis: oh, ok, i was just about to ask wether those were hours
  • [02:06:09] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I have been tninking on two BB-xm's with cameras with a SPIU data stream between them.
  • [02:06:53] <FJ_Sanchez> For the stereo vision...
  • [02:06:55] <djlewis> s/SPIU/SPI for sync
  • [02:07:00] <FJ_Sanchez> Isn't it overkiller?
  • [02:07:32] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, yes, well at the present a single 600Mhz BB is underkill
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  • [02:07:44] <NotZed> adyk20: i'm a mentor fwiw. tho i'm more interested in different areas
  • [02:07:47] <djlewis> with just one cam at 640x480
  • [02:08:01] <FJ_Sanchez> Using DSP?
  • [02:08:23] <adyk20> NotZed: no problem, cats is a good subject too :P
  • [02:08:31] <adyk20> "cats"
  • [02:08:38] <FJ_Sanchez> Just using wrong software
  • [02:08:46] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I made notes a while back. I can use very little cpu with one cam using gstreamer at about 30%
  • [02:08:59] <djlewis> mplayer uses more like 70 - 80% cpu
  • [02:09:17] <djlewis> whatever openCV does is just worse
  • [02:09:53] <adyk20> NotZed: the thing is that i've finished retouching my final version of the application and i'm a bit blocked at the part with "get an opinion from a mentor as to how this project will affect the BB community"
  • [02:10:13] <adyk20> NotZed: that being the reason why im jumping about here
  • [02:10:23] <djlewis> I understand openCV is using v4l2 as I think mplayer does too.
  • [02:10:31] <adyk20> NotZed: that and the very different timezones
  • [02:11:03] <FJ_Sanchez> It's a lot of things...
  • [02:11:35] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, yes, openCV on its own uses a lot of resources but that and the cam is BAD!
  • [02:11:41] <FJ_Sanchez> Take a look http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58:isee-codec-engine-framework&catid=1:latest-news
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  • [02:13:55] <djlewis> that video must be on a dialup feed
  • [02:15:20] <NotZed> adyk20: once i get moving i can probably have a look, i should probably scan the projects again too, although melange makes it about as fun as a kick in the head.
  • [02:15:23] <djlewis> the guys typo cost another 25 seconds of delay in loading...
  • [02:16:25] <FJ_Sanchez> Yeah... And it seem that they do static allocation of memory... too bad
  • [02:17:32] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, I'll wait for it to load. argh
  • [02:18:24] <djlewis> FJ_Sanchez, yes, for now we dont have so much memory to allocate.
  • [02:18:26] <adyk20> NotZed: thanks
  • [02:18:43] <djlewis> though I did test with a minimal console image and framebuffer.
  • [02:18:55] <djlewis> That frees up a lot
  • [02:19:21] <adyk20> NotZed: i could try to mail so coffee if you want :P
  • [02:19:50] <FJ_Sanchez> Anyway, a dynamic allocation system is needed
  • [02:21:13] <NotZed> adyk20: i fear it may be off by the time it gets here. anyway the shop is close enough i just have to get off my lazy arse
  • [02:22:15] <djlewis> my ping times are normal but that youtube frame is sure not.
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  • [02:22:39] <NotZed> adyk20: where are u based?
  • [02:22:45] <adyk20> NotZed: well, that could be difficult according to newton. object tends to keep their status (in motion/not in motion)
  • [02:22:49] <adyk20> NotZed: Romania
  • [02:22:54] <adyk20> NotZed: Eastern Europe
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  • [02:23:05] <FJ_Sanchez> adyk20: too late for you hahaha
  • [02:23:09] <NotZed> yes i've heard of romania :)
  • [02:23:26] <adyk20> NotZed: myeah, i guess we're mostly known for Dracula
  • [02:23:45] <djlewis> that explains a lot
  • [02:23:51] <adyk20> NotZed: A.k.a. Vlad the Impaler
  • [02:24:29] <adyk20> FJ_Sanchez: too late for... ?
  • [02:24:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Too late simply
  • [02:24:48] <FJ_Sanchez> What time is it there?
  • [02:24:57] <adyk20> FJ_Sanchez: 5.25am
  • [02:25:13] <adyk20> FJ_Sanchez: i guess i won't get any sleep tonight
  • [02:25:50] <djlewis> and there I was thinking you got up early ;)
  • [02:25:57] <adyk20> speaking of coffee...
  • [02:26:02] <NotZed> yeah i saw a rather gruesome doco about it a few weeks ago. very unpleasant over dinner.
  • [02:26:15] <NotZed> s/it/him/
  • [02:26:55] <adyk20> NotZed: glad im not the only one that uses regexps on irc/messenger :)
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  • [02:28:37] <adyk20> djlewis: nah, i only get up this early if i really need to. the usual way to get up to this hour is through the night. awake. pehaps working.
  • [02:28:42] <NotZed> 'vi commands' really, people've been doing for as long as i've been using irc, which is something like 15 years ...
  • [02:29:02] <djlewis> adyk20, yes, thats my method too.
  • [02:29:22] * djlewis just got on irc when I got my BB
  • [02:29:27] <adyk20> NotZed: yeah.. vi/vim commands, still pretty similar to regexps though
  • [02:30:24] <NotZed> well technically the regexp is just the matching part. vi/perl/sed add the string substitution stuff
  • [02:30:35] <NotZed> and this is before vim existed
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  • [02:31:32] <adyk20> NotZed: aha. i can't say im really sure who invented regexps
  • [02:32:17] <adyk20> NotZed: but it's a cool byproduct of automated languages (i don't know if i got the translation right here)
  • [02:32:50] <NotZed> the ancient egyptians? they seem that old anyway
  • [02:33:33] <adyk20> NotZed: you know.. i don't think that's far from truth, considering how their writings looked like
  • [02:34:18] <adyk20> NotZed: you could use an eagle for substituting any kind of bird, or related god, or amon ra
  • [02:35:01] <adyk20> (vague hint to stargate sg-1 if someone watches that)
  • [02:38:09] <NotZed> hmm, better get moving before it rains. no rain for months and now it wants to rain every time i need to do something
  • [02:39:06] <adyk20> speaking of, has anyone noticed that in the BB ref manual, in section 8.5.6 there's a phrase exactly like in section 8.5.5?
  • [02:39:07] <thurbad> regex far outdates modern computers
  • [02:40:23] <thurbad> state machines are the basis for a lot of math even if most people don't know it
  • [02:40:32] <adyk20> thurbad: i'm not quite sure, but i could guess (w/o searching wikipedia) that regexps were invented when programming computers was a hardware job
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  • [02:41:14] <thurbad> nope way before that
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  • [02:41:28] <speers> Hi Everyone!
  • [02:41:33] <thurbad> finite state machines are the equvalent of any regex
  • [02:41:53] <adyk20> can't you use fsm's for about anything ?
  • [02:42:04] <adyk20> anything algorithmic in nature
  • [02:42:05] <thurbad> no
  • [02:42:15] <thurbad> you need a touring machine for that
  • [02:43:16] <adyk20> why couldn't one combine the turing machine state memory with the possible states in such a way that the algorithm could be described as a fsm ?
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  • [02:44:09] <thurbad> dfa's don't have any memory of what has come before other than the current state
  • [02:44:18] <thurbad> so they cannot match a lot of stuff
  • [02:44:25] <speers> I have been trying to connect a wireless card (Belkin 54g) to my beagleboard for a few days now using typical ifconfig/iwconfig/dhclient etc methods with no luck. I used the Network Connections gadget in Angstrom to enter the various network properties and voila I can now surf the web in firefox on the beagleboard. This being said ping still doesn't work and I'm not quite sure what combination of events led me to get the internet
  • [02:44:28] <speers> Thanks!
  • [02:46:04] <adyk20> thurbad: right about dfa's
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  • [02:47:06] <adyk20> thurbad: actually, now that i think about it, it's obvious that you can't use fsm's for anything algorithmic
  • [02:47:24] <adyk20> thurbad: s/anyt/everyt
  • [02:47:45] <thurbad> as long as it doesn't require memory access, you can
  • [02:48:02] <adyk20> hence the 'everything' part
  • [02:48:15] <thurbad> not a lot falls under that restrictive category
  • [02:48:49] <adyk20> the problem was, that the fsm, in order to describe an algorithm should, in intself have all the possible memory combinations
  • [02:49:14] <adyk20> and that quickly becomes unfeasible
  • [02:49:27] <adyk20> at least that's how i see it
  • [02:50:30] <thurbad> yes, hence it's not finite
  • [02:50:36] <adyk20> indeed
  • [02:51:25] <adyk20> thurbad: say.. mind if i ask you for some feedback on a gsoc proposal idea ?
  • [02:51:50] <thurbad> I can look at it, but I'm somewhat new to the beagleboard commmunity
  • [02:52:13] <adyk20> it's just feedback, nothing fancy
  • [02:52:18] <thurbad> sure
  • [02:53:39] <adyk20> i donno if i can give you a link (i think it's restricted view), but the point is, i'm trying to build a thermostat that could be controlled both by usual stuff like LCD/touchscreen and by vocal comands
  • [02:54:02] <adyk20> so, question is, would you build such a thing if it was a diy project ?
  • [02:54:10] <adyk20> or would you want one at all ?
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  • [02:55:24] <thurbad> beagleboard kind of seems like an expensive platform for a thermostat, although you would need something with a bit of power to do the voice command recognition
  • [02:55:53] <adyk20> yeah, the main processing power goes into the ASR
  • [02:56:17] <adyk20> the idea is that this could be extended to something related HVAC
  • [02:56:35] <adyk20> so, you would go home
  • [02:56:47] <thurbad> yeah that's what I assumed
  • [02:56:51] <adyk20> say, lights on, more heat
  • [02:57:19] <adyk20> well.. my wild imagination has a full dialog here between the computer and the user
  • [02:57:28] <adyk20> perhaps i've watched too much startrek
  • [02:57:41] <DanaG> Might wanna' have a trigger word, first.
  • [02:57:42] <DanaG> Otherwise, it may pick up on random bits of conversation.
  • [02:57:59] <adyk20> yeah, that's not a problem. it's already in the project plan
  • [02:58:05] <adyk20> i was just stating the main idea
  • [02:58:11] <thurbad> you'd probably want to extend (or have it modular) so that the voice recognition was the key component and it could control more than just a thermostat, even if you only implement a thermostat module
  • [02:58:34] <adyk20> yep
  • [02:58:39] <adyk20> it's modular
  • [02:58:43] <adyk20> ;)
  • [02:59:05] * DanaG just thought of bananaphone, for a moment.
  • [02:59:27] * adyk20 ring ring ring ring... bananaphone...
  • [02:59:33] <thurbad> so there'd be some sort of multiplexor that could switch addressing of multiple components
  • [03:00:31] <adyk20> yeah, new grammar can be pretty easily added, so one could add commands for anything that could be controlled in such a way
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  • [03:01:12] <adyk20> but how would you see the impact of this project on the BB community ?
  • [03:01:16] <thurbad> I'd sell the voice recognition side, more than the thermostat side personally
  • [03:01:21] <adyk20> if at all =)
  • [03:02:56] <thurbad> sounds interesting, I'm not real knowledgeable when it comes to voice recognition
  • [03:02:58] <adyk20> yeah, the ASR is the cool part about it. it seems to be a recurring theme nowadays the idea of extreme comfort.
  • [03:03:28] <thurbad> beyond comfort, there the concept of accessiblity for disabled people
  • [03:03:42] <adyk20> indeed
  • [03:04:03] <thurbad> I'd see that as a much bigger benefit than the comfort aspect
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  • [03:05:23] <adyk20> you're right
  • [03:05:36] <adyk20> that is a big issue to address
  • [03:06:11] <adyk20> eh, science for the future
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  • [03:09:06] <ds2> hmmm
  • [03:09:32] <ds2> adyk20: hey
  • [03:09:37] <adyk20> ah, ds2, hey
  • [03:10:07] <adyk20> i've tried to talk to you earlier but i think you were gone
  • [03:10:36] <ds2> yeah, sorry about that
  • [03:10:45] <adyk20> no problem
  • [03:11:19] <adyk20> i've finished submitting my application, it'd be perfect if you got a chance to look over it
  • [03:11:37] <adyk20> i've modified a bit the schedule
  • [03:12:56] <adyk20> so it's about 9pm in your location ?
  • [03:13:03] <ds2> 2013
  • [03:13:18] <adyk20> ah, 10h difference
  • [03:13:34] <adyk20> wait...
  • [03:14:18] <adyk20> yeah, 10h
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  • [03:14:53] <adyk20> didn't get any sleep tonight, i was afraid my math skills had been affected ;)
  • [03:16:03] <ds2> heheh
  • [03:16:20] <ds2> it would have been 2100 if it wasn't for daylight savings
  • [03:17:53] <adyk20> yeah, i remember that. i had set my clock for 10am, and got up at 9am. didn't know what was happening.
  • [03:18:36] <djlewis> adyk20, have you covered the whole families voice pattern recog?
  • [03:18:41] <adyk20> i hope you don't mind i quoted you in my application
  • [03:18:55] <adyk20> can you rephrase that a bit ?
  • [03:19:02] <adyk20> i'm not sure i get your idea
  • [03:19:04] <GrizzlyAdams> anyone know how to format a ubifs without the ubiformat command?
  • [03:19:19] <GrizzlyAdams> i see mention that the kernel can supposidly format it on the fly
  • [03:19:29] <djlewis> adyk20, the ehole family should be able to control it by voice?
  • [03:19:36] <djlewis> ehole/whole
  • [03:19:40] <adyk20> no
  • [03:19:47] <adyk20> it will have a security code
  • [03:20:01] <adyk20> so, only the members that know the security code can configure it
  • [03:20:29] <djlewis> Well I meant a childs vs mom vs dad vs bro vs sis speaking to it.
  • [03:20:34] <ds2> still reading and cooking dinner at the same time.... might be a bit slow
  • [03:20:57] <ds2> any backdoor commands like "Computer - incinerate them"? :D
  • [03:21:00] <djlewis> can you manage different voice patterns?
  • [03:21:00] <adyk20> djlewis: i got the point
  • [03:21:37] <adyk20> djlewis: up so far no, but if there's time in the schedule, i don't see why that couldn't be added
  • [03:21:56] <adyk20> djlewis: the security issue is basen only on the passcode
  • [03:21:56] <djlewis> I read Gsoc is looking for maximum benefit in projects and leaning to software.
  • [03:22:07] <djlewis> just my opinion
  • [03:22:13] <djlewis> of what I read.
  • [03:22:34] <adyk20> djlewis: so you're saying i should stick more to the SW part ?
  • [03:22:45] <adyk20> ds2: not yet :P
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  • [03:23:20] <djlewis> today there was stress toward 'it has to be easily built by the many"
  • [03:23:33] <ds2> I can see the voice recogonition being reuseable for a lot of things
  • [03:23:35] <djlewis> parts easily available and all.
  • [03:24:00] <adyk20> i've emphasized that, the idea that the project should be easily built. but it's as far as it can be taken
  • [03:24:06] <adyk20> it needs some hardware
  • [03:24:32] <adyk20> and IMO with basic soldering skills that can be managed
  • [03:27:00] <adyk20> ds2: (computer response) "We are sorry for the inconvenience. The incinerate command is not available in this version. Please upgrade to version 2.0"
  • [03:27:50] <adyk20> ds2: also, because of the hazards you've told me, the whole system will not be able to go above a certain temperature
  • [03:27:59] <t413> looks like there is discussion about summer of code projects
  • [03:28:06] <t413> has there been a lot of interest?
  • [03:28:33] * djlewis wants to put hot lasers on his bot but the implications are ... not so good.
  • [03:29:50] <djlewis> I should make a bot that can target and destroy field rats.
  • [03:30:35] <adyk20> djlewis: I have a vague idea that rats move faster than 30fps :)
  • [03:30:58] <djlewis> yep. I fond thaey can be distracted for a short time.
  • [03:31:06] <djlewis> my typing is slurred.
  • [03:31:44] <djlewis> I go out sometimes at night with a flashlight, get their attention and shoot them
  • [03:31:47] <adyk20> djlewis: you should be careful with the food, if you get it on the bot, all rats will unite against him
  • [03:32:32] * djlewis lives 25 miles out in the country.
  • [03:32:36] <adyk20> djlewis: you have an infestation or sth like that ?
  • [03:32:43] <adyk20> oooh
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  • [03:33:26] <djlewis> them darn varmits like to make cozy homes in a stone wall a previous owner tacked up on my concrete block foundation.
  • [03:33:51] <djlewis> I tore down 30 ft of it last weekend.
  • [03:34:11] <ds2> you need cats
  • [03:34:28] <adyk20> there was a discussion about cats earlier
  • [03:34:34] <djlewis> I used to have cougar and fox come by until aI got big dogs.
  • [03:34:43] <adyk20> you could get a liger
  • [03:34:57] <adyk20> it seems that there is such a thing
  • [03:35:32] <djlewis> adyk20, its been a pleasure visiting but I'm calling it a day.
  • [03:35:46] <djlewis> i'm two hours east of ds2
  • [03:35:55] <adyk20> djlewis: im only starting the day :P
  • [03:35:59] <adyk20> djlewis: see ya'
  • [03:35:59] <djlewis> hehee
  • [03:36:04] <djlewis> gn all
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  • [03:38:46] <adyk20> ds2: about the project, i've left out the part with networking for now, i think if there's time in the end, i'll do that too
  • [03:39:10] <ds2> I skimmed it and didn't see anything about how you plan to interface a microphone
  • [03:39:17] <adyk20> ds2: either do that, or the voice adaptation thing, although it might not be such a good security feature
  • [03:40:03] <adyk20> ds2: i guessed this would be enough "The third task will be to design and build a preamplifier for usage of a microphone in vocal command entry"
  • [03:40:22] <adyk20> the preamp stage, and then jack
  • [03:40:27] <ds2> OR
  • [03:40:36] <ds2> (wild ass idea)
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  • [03:40:51] <ds2> make it work with bluetooth using the HFP/HSP
  • [03:41:16] <adyk20> so you'd run around in the house wearing a BT headset ?
  • [03:41:30] <ds2> sure
  • [03:41:46] <ds2> a ear version of the star trek TNG communicator
  • [03:41:57] <adyk20> i have to admit it would severely cut out the noise ratio
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  • [03:42:54] <adyk20> but i'd like not to get anything that might go completely wrong for now, i wouldn't want it to ruin the gsoc schedule
  • [03:43:03] <ds2> heh
  • [03:43:24] <AlTheKiller> ds2 was the guy that got shutdown on that VC game show, with the surgically implanted BT headset that you charge via 4" needle into the ear.
  • [03:43:36] <adyk20> moreover, the headset is a compromise between the upclose solution and the very far solution
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  • [03:43:52] <adyk20> as in... no using buttons but no shouting either
  • [03:44:22] <ds2> it'd also cover the authentication issue
  • [03:44:24] <adyk20> yet, you'll still have to pass it around the family, if need comes :P
  • [03:44:34] <adyk20> how come ?
  • [03:44:48] <ds2> you could base it on the BT id
  • [03:45:07] <adyk20> yeah, but you're saying now that everyone would have it's own headset
  • [03:45:16] <adyk20> or at least, everyone with access
  • [03:45:33] <adyk20> and i see no guarantee that your kid might get the headset while you're gone
  • [03:45:35] <adyk20> and use it
  • [03:45:36] <ds2> become a borg :D
  • [03:45:42] <adyk20> haha
  • [03:45:55] <adyk20> i've seen a quote on codeproject some time ago
  • [03:45:57] <ds2> you'd presumeably use the same one as your mobile phone
  • [03:46:04] <adyk20> derived from borg language
  • [03:46:25] <adyk20> well, i personally dont have a BT headset
  • [03:46:49] <adyk20> so, this idea would not go well cu everyone
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  • [03:47:07] <ds2> it was a wild-ass idea
  • [03:47:15] <adyk20> though if the startrek thing really goes in fashion
  • [03:47:31] <adyk20> :P
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  • [03:48:20] <adyk20> don't worry, i like wild-ass ideas, just not under somewhat important circumstances
  • [03:48:50] <adyk20> actually from what i've learnt so far, this channel rocks :)
  • [03:49:10] <adyk20> you can talk electronics, ideas and all about your cat
  • [03:49:27] <adyk20> yeah, and the borgish quote
  • [03:49:51] <adyk20> (to be read in a borg voice) "we are dyslexic of borg. your a$$ will be laminated"
  • [03:51:50] <adyk20> btw, is there an expression for "have a good meal" or sth like that (like in french "bon apetit", or romanian "pofta buna") ?
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  • [03:59:11] <ds2> hmm
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  • [04:00:47] <adyk20> ds2: hmm ?
  • [04:02:43] <ds2> yes
  • [04:03:19] <adyk20> usually, 'hmm' signifies some deep though
  • [04:03:57] <ds2> yes, too much of that
  • [04:05:34] <adyk20> oh, that 'hmm' reminds me that there was a bullet in the application template that said i should have a picture with a running BB. problem is i don't have one right now. is that a severe problem ?
  • [04:06:34] <NotZed> well you were supposed to ask or something, but i'm not sure how that was supposed to work
  • [04:07:15] <adyk20> the GSoC site doesn't show you the template until you want to submit it, and that's why i haven't seen it before
  • [04:08:06] <adyk20> i've written a comment in the application for that part, don't know how helpful it is
  • [04:08:56] <NotZed> some people made it obvious they could do it anyway, either by stating that or by the rest of the appliation. (the setting up a dev env)
  • [04:09:50] <adyk20> i wouldn't want to lie, i just said what i had to
  • [04:11:20] <adyk20> however, i don't see how this should be such a big deal. but again, it's not for me to decide.
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  • [04:35:01] <beagleuser1> hello all
  • [04:35:17] <beagleuser1> i have a issue with beagle board boot up
  • [04:35:32] <innosam_> hello
  • [04:35:33] <beagleuser1> can any one pls help me with my queries
  • [04:35:57] <beagleuser1> recently i brought rev c4 board
  • [04:36:18] <beagleuser1> and also the touch screen expansion board from special computing
  • [04:37:02] <beagleuser1> once i received the board i boot it and validated , it was working fine
  • [04:37:39] <beagleuser1> then to interface the touchscreen expansion board, i soldered the LCD headers pins and other pins
  • [04:38:06] <beagleuser1> after this soldering when i try to boot beagleboard it does not boot
  • [04:38:18] <beagleuser1> it does not display anything on the minicom
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  • [04:38:51] <thurbad> probably shorted something with the solder, or plugged the display in the wrong way maybe?
  • [04:39:19] <beagleuser1> well i removed the display expansion board and check for any shorts in the solder
  • [04:39:23] <beagleuser1> but did not find any
  • [04:39:47] <beagleuser1> i verified with multimeter also
  • [04:40:02] <DanaG> hmm, does it boot without display board attached?
  • [04:40:12] <vyas021> hi everyone
  • [04:40:24] <beagleuser1> it does not boot even without the display board now :(
  • [04:40:48] <beagleuser1> i had some funny observations thou
  • [04:41:14] <beagleuser1> when i boot the board without MMC card, i see all 4 leds glowing
  • [04:41:14] <vyas021> i want to interface some hardware to beagleboard any one can help?
  • [04:41:40] <beagleuser1> but when i insert the mmc card i can see only the power led glowing
  • [04:43:15] <thurbad> depends on what you need help with vyas021
  • [04:43:30] <beagleuser1> it looks like may be the nand contents are curropted
  • [04:43:42] <beagleuser1> so i tried to boot from mmc sd card
  • [04:44:01] <beagleuser1> i pressed the use button and powered on the board
  • [04:44:11] <beagleuser1> user button
  • [04:44:30] <beagleuser1> once the power led was glowing i released the user button
  • [04:44:49] <beagleuser1> is this the correct procedure to boot from MMC in case if nand is curropted
  • [04:44:55] <thurbad> if you get nothing from the serial connection and you had it working beofer there's a short somewhere, you should at least get a 40T or 40whatever identifier from the CPU
  • [04:45:04] <vyas021> thurbad: i want to interface GSM for internet , GPS, Bluetooth earpiece and touch screen
  • [04:45:48] <thurbad> even if the mmc and nand are corrupt
  • [04:46:02] <beagleuser1> sadly i dont get anything from CPU :( the minicom is blank
  • [04:46:22] <beagleuser1> i get some junk chars , but these junk chars appear even if the board is not connected
  • [04:46:30] <thurbad> you did have minicom working before so that kind of rules out the usual serial connection problems
  • [04:46:40] <beagleuser1> yes right
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  • [04:46:50] <vyas021> thurbad: is there any easily available module for this ? all the ^ hardware are to interfaced for making a hand held device
  • [04:47:05] <beagleuser1> i use the serial to usb cable and connect to /dev/ttyUSB0
  • [04:47:22] <thurbad> it really depends on what p[ins and interface types you need to use on the expansion header
  • [04:48:16] <beagleuser1> but currently i have not connected anything to expansion pins and lcd header pins
  • [04:48:24] <beagleuser1> i want to get it boot up first
  • [04:48:35] <thurbad> that was meant for vyas021
  • [04:48:44] <beagleuser1> oops!!
  • [04:48:50] <beagleuser1> :)
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  • [04:49:27] <beagleuser1> but whats the procedure to boot from mmc card instead of nand
  • [04:49:45] <beagleuser1> i should press the user button and then power on the board
  • [04:49:59] <thurbad> to boot from mmc you just need to put a mmc card that has been properly configured
  • [04:50:01] <beagleuser1> once i see the power led glowing i release the user button
  • [04:50:12] <beagleuser1> is this correct
  • [04:50:35] <beagleuser1> yes i have a MMC thats properly formated
  • [04:50:38] <DanaG> hmm, at 115200, I never get 40T on serial without user button.
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  • [04:50:51] <DanaG> Or at least, I don't remember ever getting 40T.
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  • [04:51:13] <DanaG> oh, I see... user button while plugging in, not while pressing reset?
  • [04:51:16] <beagleuser1> yes me to never saw 40T
  • [04:51:28] <beagleuser1> yes
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  • [04:51:47] <beagleuser1> is this procedure correct
  • [04:52:08] <DanaG> interesting... only gives 40 if button not pressed... and even then, it's only sometimes.
  • [04:52:40] <beagleuser1> or is this correct
  • [04:52:47] <vyas021> thurbad: basically i am new to bb and i want to know how to interface the ^ hardware .so any link or module provided will b helpful
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  • [04:53:11] <DanaG> about the most I've gotten is a 'W'.
  • [04:53:17] <DanaG> ... and all the normal x-loader stuff.
  • [04:53:17] <beagleuser1> You can also try inserting your SD card, and holding the USer Button
  • [04:53:25] <beagleuser1> down while pressing and releasing the Reset button. This will force the
  • [04:53:32] <beagleuser1> board to boot from the SD instead of what's in NAND.
  • [04:54:05] <beagleuser1> does this mean that first insert the sd card
  • [04:54:08] <thurbad> the W should be preceded by a 40 the character after the 40 varies based on the board rev
  • [04:54:13] <DanaG> I only get 40W if I hold down user and press reset,reset,reset,reset,reset,reset
  • [04:54:31] <DanaG> ... in other words, a normal user+reset doesn't give 40W.
  • [04:54:57] <thurbad> you shoudl have the SD card inserted before mooting if you want to boot from it.. if that's what you jsut asked
  • [04:55:14] <beagleuser1> yes that correct
  • [04:55:31] <DanaG> Weird... am I supposed to normally see a 40 every time the board boots, or just when user is pressed?
  • [04:55:56] <beagleuser1> but once i apply the power can i press user button
  • [04:55:59] <thurbad> vyas021, without knowing the pins and interfaces you need to use, there's too many options to answer your question
  • [04:56:08] <beagleuser1> and then press reset to boot from nand
  • [04:56:15] <thurbad> yes beagleuser1
  • [04:56:29] <thurbad> you can press the user button then reset
  • [04:56:52] <beagleuser1> umm i tried this but i dont get anything on minicom
  • [04:56:54] <DanaG> hub 6-0:1.0: port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
  • [04:56:59] <DanaG> I get that on the host, sometimes.
  • [04:57:08] <vyas021> thurbad: then please suggest answer
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  • [04:57:13] <beagleuser1> so i tried the uart recovery
  • [04:57:32] <beagleuser1> i removed the mmc card
  • [04:57:48] <beagleuser1> and while the on the minicon wating for asic id
  • [04:57:50] <DanaG> interesting... doing cat /dev/ttyUSB0 (instead of screen at 115200) gives this at boot:
  • [04:57:51] <DanaG> 
  • [04:57:55] <thurbad> vyas021, you need to know if you're using spi, gpio, i2c, etc
  • [04:58:08] <beagleuser1> yes DanaG thats what i also get
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  • [04:58:41] <beagleuser1> ? chars
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  • [04:59:06] <beagleuser1> ok for the uart recovery
  • [04:59:19] <beagleuser1> it just waits for asic id
  • [04:59:34] <beagleuser1> thats all nothing is received from the board
  • [04:59:46] <DanaG> So yeah, I never get 40w.
  • [05:00:10] <beagleuser1> whats ir borad version no DanaG
  • [05:00:15] <DanaG> C4.
  • [05:00:17] <thurbad> vyas021, once you know that you can set up the kernel or uboot to enable the interface you want
  • [05:00:20] <beagleuser1> mine too
  • [05:00:24] <DanaG> well, correction: not "never"... just very rarely.
  • [05:00:36] <DanaG> In fact, I've only seen it ONCE.... when holding user and repeatedly pressing reset.
  • [05:00:52] <beagleuser1> ok i shall try that
  • [05:01:13] <DanaG> WWW4040W
  • [05:01:20] <beagleuser1> but in any case the board should send asic id right
  • [05:01:31] <DanaG> Maybe it just doesn't like usb-serial.
  • [05:01:32] <beagleuser1> yes sometimes i get this also
  • [05:02:04] <beagleuser1> is the asic id 40T ?
  • [05:02:04] <thurbad> it could be that the device is not enumerated fast enough to display the 40 if you're using a serial to usb adapter
  • [05:02:10] <vyas021> thurbad: okk once i get know all the above quoted elements then can GSM, GPS, Bluetooth and Touch Screen Be easily interfaced
  • [05:02:26] <NotZed> Hmm, anyone know a timezone name for india?
  • [05:02:45] <thurbad> easily... probably not, but that's a relative term
  • [05:02:55] <vyas021> +5.30
  • [05:03:54] <vyas021> NotZed: GMT+5.30
  • [05:04:00] <thurbad> there's a limited number of pins available for those devices
  • [05:04:38] <NotZed> yes thanks, ~9am then, i should've just asked but now i dont need to again
  • [05:04:42] <DanaG> Interesting... a different usb-serial gives me 40w reliably.
  • [05:04:45] <beagleuser1> is the asic ID 40T ?
  • [05:04:56] <beagleuser1> is this what the serical recovery wating for
  • [05:05:02] <DanaG> 40W
  • [05:05:02] <DanaG> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss (Mar 26 2010 - 09:02:52)
  • [05:05:22] <DanaG> what's it supposed to wait for? Doesn't look like it waits very long for whatever that may be.
  • [05:05:22] <innosam> #gnuradio
  • [05:05:47] <beagleuser1> i used nistanth's serial recovery tools
  • [05:05:50] <beagleuser1> pserial
  • [05:05:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so it seems the powering-up of the uart must be sending garbage to the usb-serial... or shocking it, or something.
  • [05:06:27] <thurbad> I'm not convinced you have a problem with the nand... what makes you think it got corrupted somehow?
  • [05:07:00] <beagleuser1> bcoz its not booting and if connect to a pc monitor thru hdmi
  • [05:07:07] <beagleuser1> it does not display anything
  • [05:07:10] <thurbad> other than not booting which is better explained by a short somewhere
  • [05:07:22] <beagleuser1> ummmm
  • [05:07:56] <vyas021> thurbad: can i fix it permanently on the board by hardware hacking
  • [05:07:57] <beagleuser1> well i shall desolder the expansion and lcd header pins and give it a try
  • [05:08:02] <thurbad> have you tried complete removing your solder job?
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  • [05:08:37] <beagleuser1> yes that what i shall try thurbad
  • [05:09:12] <thurbad> vyas021, no, the omap processor uses single pins in several possible configurations
  • [05:09:41] <thurbad> so you have 28 pins, each of which can be configured for several modes independently
  • [05:10:03] <vyas021> okkk
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  • [05:11:30] <thurbad> I can point you to the u-boot sources and how to modify them and compile them, but without knowing the interfaces you need to use that's pointless
  • [05:13:30] <beagleuser1> thanks all for ur help
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  • [05:13:46] <beagleuser1> shall come after more experiments :)
  • [05:13:48] <thurbad> unless you hope to get lucky with 7^28 possible configurations
  • [05:14:13] <thurbad> granted not all of those are valid
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  • [05:16:13] <vyas021> thurbad: any link to know the above
  • [05:16:59] <thurbad> page 96 of the beagleboard hardware spec might be helpful http://beagleboard.org/static/BBSRM_latest.pdf
  • [05:17:03] <DanaG> weird... if I boot with usb ethernet hub thingy plugged in, it doesn't work until I unplug it and then plug it back in again.
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  • [05:17:58] <thurbad> that lists the pins and their possible configurations
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  • [05:19:17] <thurbad> for instance if you want to use I2C you must assign pins 23& 24 to that task
  • [05:19:44] <DanaG> hmm, so how would I get my usb-ethernet to actually work at boot?
  • [05:20:25] <thurbad> have you tried a static ip address?
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  • [05:22:17] <NotZed> make sure networkmanager isn't within a hundred yards?
  • [05:22:46] <DanaG> That's not the issue.
  • [05:22:50] <DanaG> The issue is at the link level.
  • [05:22:54] <DanaG> Or somewhere thereabouts.
  • [05:23:19] <DanaG> The thing will think the interface is up... and yet, sniffing packets for any length of time will give literally zero incoming packets.
  • [05:24:00] <DanaG> I end up having to unplug the usb+ethernet thingy and plug it back in again.
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  • [05:26:38] <NotZed> well that sucks
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  • [05:28:27] <DanaG> yeah.
  • [05:28:43] <DanaG> Even unloading and reloading asix doesn't fix it.
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  • [05:31:08] <Sahil> hello
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  • [05:31:23] <NotZed> i think mine worked just fine, but i haven't used it much so i could be remembering wrong
  • [05:31:29] <Sahil> has anyone joined Google Source of Code 2010
  • [05:31:36] <NotZed> (wrt the at-boot part)
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  • [05:32:00] <Sahil> can any1 please help
  • [05:32:05] <Sahil> as i am a begineer
  • [05:32:48] <thurbad> can't help if we don't know the problem
  • [05:32:49] <NotZed> sahil: haha. there's no such thing :)
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  • [05:34:15] <Sahil> why is any1 not responding
  • [05:34:51] <thurbad> you just got two responses, and you still haven't told us your problem
  • [05:34:52] <av500> because you have not asked anything
  • [05:34:57] <DanaG> rcn-ee: awk: 1: unexpected character '\'
  • [05:35:04] <DanaG> in install-me.sh for new dl6 kernel.
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  • [05:38:36] <av500> gm jai
  • [05:38:44] <jai> hey there av500 :)
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  • [05:38:54] <av500> bought a beagle?
  • [05:39:15] <lifeeth> jai, He left :)
  • [05:39:23] <jai> not really, came to idle ;)
  • [05:39:27] <jai> lifeeth: aww, missed
  • [05:39:29] <DanaG> oh, and it needs indentation.
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  • [06:09:13] <neure> morning
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  • [06:14:26] <Nilly> hi
  • [06:17:32] <Nilly> I was able to build image in past on narcissus but today I am not able to build the image....
  • [06:17:33] <Nilly> Assembling image
  • [06:17:41] <Nilly> Current uncompressed image size: 650M
  • [06:17:57] <Nilly> and it got stuck there...
  • [06:19:11] <Nilly> is it server problem?has any one has recently build the image?
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  • [06:24:32] <thurbad> make sure you don't reuse a file name for the download
  • [06:24:42] <thurbad> that makes narcissus fail at the end
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  • [06:27:59] <Nilly> ohh
  • [06:28:49] <thurbad> I screwed that up several times before I figured out what was going on
  • [06:29:21] <thurbad> just use the randomly generated name and add something meaningful onto the front of it
  • [06:29:36] <Nilly> hmm...what was u were using unstable or stable?
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  • [06:53:37] <Zackie> Hey anyone workig with OpenCV and BB
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  • [07:16:46] <rsv> are there any gpios on twlchip
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  • [07:37:20] <NotZed> hmm, beer o'clock
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  • [08:18:07] <av500> lol, digikey just delivered 4 printed catalogues to our office...
  • [08:18:22] <av500> poor postman
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  • [08:20:46] <NotZed> i knew i'd regret it. `ajish' is now getting ignored
  • [08:22:54] <av500> :)
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  • [08:25:49] <vyas021> hey av500 can you provide me feedback on my propasal
  • [08:26:03] <jai> lul
  • [08:27:21] <vyas021> av500 : ^ http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard-gsoc/browse_thread/thread/9504530a9bcb1d0b#
  • [08:32:09] <Lilly> i am not able to build unstable image from narcissus.
  • [08:32:19] <Lilly> Is there any problem on server?
  • [08:33:03] <topfs2> av500, are you a GSoC mentor btw?
  • [08:33:20] <_koen_> my crystal ball is out for repair, without any error description I can't help you
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  • [08:35:02] <Lilly> Normally, whenever i built from narcissus i could got images in the form of *.tar.bz2
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  • [08:35:20] <Lilly> but from last 2 days i can't get any download link
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  • [08:35:54] <thurbad> have you tried using the randomly generated name like I suggested?
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  • [08:37:10] <topfs2> ping jkridner
  • [08:37:28] <av500> vyas021: see Frans' comments, your proposal is still very vague
  • [08:37:46] <thurbad> I'm pretty sure there's a bug in the script that makes it fail when a name still in use is reused
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  • [08:37:59] <av500> you should be able to outline what will be the end result of your efforts
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  • [08:38:20] <av500> topfs2: yes and no :)
  • [08:38:43] <topfs2> I've almost finished my application (I think) over at google
  • [08:38:59] <av500> ok
  • [08:39:02] <topfs2> Needed some responses from a mentor what the project could bring in
  • [08:39:08] <topfs2> i.e. if its usefull I guess :)
  • [08:40:08] <Nilly> struglling to built the online image using online builder ...any one has recently tried?
  • [08:40:54] <Nilly> without trowing any error it stuck and never gave me downloaded link any one has any idea?
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  • [08:41:31] <av500> Nilly: no idea, but Lilly has the same issue...
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  • [08:41:52] <topfs2> av500, you don't happen to know mentors and such I could ping (damn I'm doing this late :S ) :)
  • [08:43:31] <thurbad> <thurbad> have you tried using the randomly generated name like I suggested?
  • [08:43:42] <thurbad> <thurbad> I'm pretty sure there's a bug in the script that makes it fail when a name still in use is reused
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  • [08:44:58] <beagleuser1> hi all
  • [08:45:22] <beagleuser1> i would appreciate if some one would answer my queries
  • [08:45:47] <beagleuser1> can we power up the beagleboard Rev c4 with USB-A to mini USB cable?
  • [08:46:08] <av500> yes
  • [08:46:13] <Nilly> thurbad:yes i have tried...
  • [08:46:18] <av500> but that is in the manual that you read, no?
  • [08:46:45] <beagleuser1> yes right but when i connect only the power led glows that too very dim
  • [08:46:57] <beagleuser1> it seems like its starving out of power
  • [08:47:27] <beagleuser1> does all the 4 led glow if we power the board with USB-A to mini USB cable
  • [08:48:07] <beagleuser1> i had odered the 5v power cable thru usb cable from special computing
  • [08:48:30] <beagleuser1> if i connect this then the power led glows bright
  • [08:48:51] <thurbad> are you connecting through a usb 2.0 port on the host machine?
  • [08:49:04] <beagleuser1> how much current does usb supply to board is it 100mA?
  • [08:49:07] <av500> are there non 2.0 ports left in the world?
  • [08:49:44] <thurbad> yeah occasionally mother boards will have several usb 2.0 ports and a couple of 1.1 ports still
  • [08:50:18] <beagleuser1> but my pc has all usb 2.0 ports
  • [08:51:40] <beagleuser1> i have the following setup https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/BeagleLCD2.htm
  • [08:53:00] <beagleuser1> i use USB A Male to 5.5mm Power Plug Cable, 18AWG
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  • [09:08:10] <av500> jkridner: ping
  • [09:08:15] <jkridner> pong.
  • [09:10:05] <av500> jkridner: see private query
  • [09:10:35] <jkridner> can I reply here?
  • [09:10:50] <av500> dont give my band details
  • [09:10:52] <av500> bak
  • [09:10:54] <av500> bank
  • [09:10:57] <av500> gee
  • [09:11:28] <jkridner> :)
  • [09:13:00] <jkridner> Apr 9, 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline.
  • [09:13:17] <innosam_> whats the time now
  • [09:13:27] <innosam_> accroding to UTC
  • [09:13:28] <av500> 11:13
  • [09:13:38] <av500> according to my wallclock :)
  • [09:13:39] <jkridner> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=04&day=09&year=2010&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p0=0
  • [09:13:46] <innosam_> :-)
  • [09:13:54] <jkridner> you have 9 hours. :)
  • [09:14:18] <innosam_> its 9:13 according to UTC
  • [09:14:39] <innosam_> ya almost 9 hrz
  • [09:14:41] <innosam_> ya almost 9 hrs
  • [09:14:43] <jkridner> Apr 21, 17:00 UTC: Student ranking/scoring deadline.
  • [09:15:25] <jkridner> in between is the "Interim Period"
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  • [09:16:40] <jkridner> In the Interim Period: Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant.
  • [09:16:48] <jkridner> this is all from http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline
  • [09:17:53] <jkridner> I read that as applications can be updated.
  • [09:18:35] <jkridner> if not, we'll maintain a copy in google docs to make sure we can continue to update.
  • [09:19:15] <jkridner> that said, getting it *right* now will avoid several mentors from thinking your proposal is bunk and ignoring it forever.
  • [09:19:26] <jkridner> but, getting it in is better than not getting it in.
  • [09:21:43] <jkridner> perhaps on these OpenCV proposals, there could be some division of labor?
  • [09:22:01] <jkridner> perhaps some folks would like to focus on certain areas of OpenCV to optimize?
  • [09:22:35] <innosam_> hpow should i get the feedback on Gsoc can someone tell me
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  • [09:22:46] <jkridner> Would it be to much to ask for someone looking to optimize OpenCV for them to run oprofile on it?
  • [09:23:09] <jkridner> innosam_: once you fill in an application, mentors will put comments on that application.
  • [09:23:26] <innosam_> comments will be counted as feedback
  • [09:23:30] <jkridner> you can make contact with a mentor ahead of time to try to get the scope of your proposal right in the first place.
  • [09:23:54] <jkridner> the list of ideas with the list of mentors at the bottom is meant to try to help you make a connection to the mentors.
  • [09:23:55] <innosam_> ya..i have got a comment.and have talked to the mentor
  • [09:24:18] <jkridner> then what feedback are you looking for?
  • [09:24:40] <innosam_> feedback which is req for completion of application
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