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  • [01:39:46] <chengpq> Hi, all! I'm interested in GSoC project: Android running as a windowed application. Could anyone give me some information?
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  • [01:41:46] <jkridner> chengpq: hi
  • [01:42:04] <chengpq> hi
  • [01:42:09] <jkridner> there is a tiny bit of discussion on the beagleboard-gsoc google group.
  • [01:43:18] <jkridner> I'd say that we aren't much on great ideas on how to do it without a virtualized kernel.
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  • [01:44:18] <chengpq> Maybe I think we should port libraries?
  • [01:45:49] <jkridner> what do you mean by "port libraries"?
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  • [01:46:08] <jkridner> do you mean replace all the code that outputs to the display and accepts input within Android itself?
  • [01:46:22] <jkridner> I think that could be a more incremental approach...
  • [01:46:46] <jkridner> first, getting udev to work with Android and other small steps like that.
  • [01:47:42] <chengpq> maybe this is a possible solution, although difficult
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  • [01:49:09] <jkridner> yeah, I'm concerned about the complexity without a mentor that is able to dive deep.
  • [01:49:18] <jkridner> Katie does daily work with Android...
  • [01:49:26] <jkridner> You should discuss details with her.
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  • [01:49:53] <chengpq> thanks
  • [01:50:01] <jkridner> I'd also look to see if you could get hooked up with some other folks on the 0xlabs and android mailing lists.
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  • [01:50:11] <jkridner> are you already familiar with the 0xdroid effort?
  • [01:50:48] <jkridner> if you speak the right language, they might be really good to get more involved in mentoring--they might be interested.
  • [01:51:16] * jkridner must run to the airport. nice meeting you chengpq and I hope you make a gsoc application for beagleboard.org.
  • [01:51:39] <chengpq> thanks, bye
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  • [02:03:00] <djlewis> the price isnt too bad for a toy to experiment on. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.31997
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  • [02:03:27] <djlewis> 5" LCD 600Mhz, read the fine print, touch screen
  • [02:05:10] <ds2> windowize android is too big of a project to take up in one lump, IMO
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  • [02:40:36] <tdh2002> It take me 40G space to compile OE..
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  • [02:40:53] <mIKEjONES> yep that's about normal
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  • [03:39:02] <AlTheKiller> Anyone ever tried to build a codesourery lite release with this fugly monster script?
  • [03:39:36] <AlTheKiller> Seeing as they destroy PATH 5 lines in I'm pretty hard pressed to run as root.
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  • [03:48:16] <DanaG> make: Entering an unknown directory
  • [03:48:24] <DanaG> make: *** /media/usb1//workdir/lsp/linux-02.01.02.09: No such file or directory. Stop.
  • [03:49:58] <DanaG> looks like TI's makefile assumes things it really shouldn't assume.
  • [03:50:11] <DanaG> It tries to make clean, on a dir that doesn't exist, since I haven't made anything yet!
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  • [03:52:09] <AlTheKiller> The SGX SDK build files do similar silly things.
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  • [03:53:25] <john245> hi
  • [03:55:02] <john245> is anyone here?
  • [04:06:08] <john245> does anyone here use a pico projector on their beagleboard?
  • [04:07:36] <DanaG> this is the omap35x graphics sdk.
  • [04:07:42] <DanaG> anyone know how to fix that build script?
  • [04:09:40] <AlTheKiller> DanaG: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#SGX_Video_Acceleration
  • [04:09:49] <DanaG> oh yeah.
  • [04:09:51] <DanaG> thanks.
  • [04:09:56] <AlTheKiller> I used the magic scripts there on launchpad.
  • [04:09:59] <AlTheKiller> np
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  • [04:12:39] <DanaG> weird... my asix NIC doesn't work if it's plugged in during boot.
  • [04:12:46] <DanaG> I have to unplug and replug it to get it to work.
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  • [04:17:06] <DanaG> now I just need to figure out how to do that without building a whole kernel.
  • [04:22:38] <DanaG> argh.
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  • [04:27:25] <DanaG> Argh, I wish they'd let Ubuntu, and such, distribute compiled sgx drivers.
  • [04:33:13] <DanaG> grep -v -e "drivers/char/pvrsrvkm.ko" $2/lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-omap1/modules.dep >/tmp/modules.$$.tmp
  • [04:33:15] <DanaG> ARGH
  • [04:33:34] <DanaG> I don't want to use their damn kernel... I want to use the Ubuntu one!
  • [04:35:19] <AlTheKiller> It works fine
  • [04:36:28] <DanaG> "It"? what's "it"?
  • [04:36:54] <DanaG> And the build_sgx_modules script silently exits.
  • [04:36:59] <AlTheKiller> Their kernel
  • [04:37:08] <DanaG> +++ file /usr/lib/libncurses.so
  • [04:37:08] <DanaG> +++ grep -v ERROR
  • [04:37:08] <DanaG> ++ NCURSES=
  • [04:37:25] <AlTheKiller> You ran build_kernel first?
  • [04:37:29] <DanaG> that's with changing the hashbang to #!/bin/bash -x
  • [04:37:55] <AlTheKiller> I just did this stuff sunday.
  • [04:38:06] <DanaG> libncurses5: /lib/libncurses.so.5
  • [04:38:06] <DanaG> libncurses5: /lib/libncurses.so.5.7
  • [04:38:13] <DanaG> there is no /usr/lib/libncurses.so
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  • [04:40:02] <AlTheKiller> Are you cross compiling or native on the beagleboard?
  • [04:40:14] <DanaG> Native.
  • [04:40:33] <AlTheKiller> Scripts are setup for cross IIRC.
  • [04:40:40] <DanaG> Since Ubuntu doesn't have a cross-compiler in the repos, and I'd imagine it needs native kernel headers somewhere.
  • [04:42:19] <AlTheKiller> I just aimed it at my OE compiler
  • [04:43:12] <AlTheKiller> It has to patch the kernel anyway, it has the headers from the new one.
  • [04:43:38] <DanaG> That's more than I want to bother with -- I was more curious about the 3D, and not in need of it.
  • [04:44:33] <AlTheKiller> Should work the the codesourcery stuff too.
  • [04:44:42] <AlTheKiller> Not that I'm particularly impressed with it.
  • [04:45:12] <DanaG> I was hoping it would be more like the libdrm stuff: get the source, ./configure, make, make install
  • [04:45:26] <DanaG> weird... was that slash messed up for you... or is it just me?
  • [04:45:29] <DanaG> /////////
  • [04:45:36] <AlTheKiller> Heh, this is embedded.
  • [04:45:52] <AlTheKiller> You're luck you aren't chasing down 50 obscure patches
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  • [04:46:27] <DanaG> Worst embedded I've ever used: Xilinx Microblaze. Building the cross-compiler actually segfaulted the host compiler!
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  • [04:51:26] <DanaG> And they pushed architecture support into the 2.6.30 kernel... without having an available GCC new enough to build it!
  • [04:51:28] <levi> DanaG: Heh, we use a Microblaze at work. Fortunately, I don't write code for that one.
  • [04:52:37] <DanaG> Anyway, the SGX build thing makes nvidia (binary) seem friendly, by comparison.
  • [04:52:49] <levi> I did write some code for Altera's nios2, though. That was terrible.
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  • [04:53:25] <AlTheKiller> DanaG: For the tegra?
  • [04:53:41] <DanaG> I have no experience with tegra, actually. I'm just speaking of regular nvidia on desktop.
  • [04:53:51] <AlTheKiller> Oh
  • [04:54:10] <AlTheKiller> Yeah that blog sure is convenient, evil as it may be.
  • [04:54:28] <DanaG> blog? er, blob?
  • [04:54:46] <DanaG> Though, in terms of installers alone (and not drivers), fglrx is nicer... it has a --buildpkg option.
  • [04:54:46] <levi> A coworker of mine was involved in writing LinuxBIOS support for nvidia chipsets. Apparently that was not a fun experience.
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  • [04:55:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, how do I disable the video output entirely (to save power)?
  • [04:56:42] <AlTheKiller> *blob
  • [04:56:51] <DanaG> I also always get "Class driver suspend failed for cpu0"
  • [04:56:58] <DanaG> ... when I try to suspend the beagle.
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  • [05:18:55] <DanaG> FATAL: Error inserting g_audio (/lib/modules/2.6.33-500-omap/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_audio.ko): No such device
  • [05:18:56] <DanaG> dang
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  • [05:23:38] <werqwer> hello
  • [05:23:44] <werqwer> anybody here
  • [05:23:46] <werqwer> ?
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  • [05:26:31] <notzed> no
  • [05:26:47] <werqwer> hi
  • [05:27:09] <notzed> afternoon
  • [05:27:33] <werqwer> want to talk about LCD+Touch support on beagleboard
  • [05:27:58] <notzed> sorry i can't help there
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  • [05:32:50] <av500> werqwer: ask, dont ask to ask
  • [05:33:34] <notzed> good advice
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  • [06:00:58] <DanaG> Interesting... the ubuntu kernel DOES suspend successfully. now... how do I wake it? WOL doesn't work, and neither does the USER button.
  • [06:00:58] <DanaG> beagle-ext4: clean, 67413/122640 files, 319977/483958 blocks (check deferred; on battery) -- interesting... it thinks its on battery?
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  • [07:17:13] <andruk> can i change where the documents folder is on Ubuntu? without using symlinks?
  • [07:17:20] <andruk> er, sorry, wrong channel
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  • [07:28:40] <mobidev> hi to all
  • [07:31:21] <kapu> hi
  • [07:31:35] <kapu> "Section VII. Things That Likely Won't Work"
  • [07:32:13] <kapu> I've seen lot of youtube videos where sound and hw graphics are working on linux/beagle, so why is that?
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  • [07:34:04] <av500> kapu: ?
  • [07:35:39] <kapu> oh shit
  • [07:35:56] <kapu> this complain should have gone to #angstrom
  • [07:35:59] <kapu> sorry :)
  • [07:38:00] <av500> but still, sound and graphics are working on the BB....
  • [07:38:18] <kapu> with ??ngstrom?
  • [07:38:37] <kapu> I'm reading this, section VII. http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning
  • [07:39:07] <cwillu_at_work> kapu, seems like those caveats are fairly old, they refer to rev c beagles in the future tense :)
  • [07:40:08] <cwillu_at_work> looks like late 2008
  • [07:41:33] <kapu> that is true
  • [07:42:06] <kapu> I just want to know current stauts of things already working, so I could just focus on userspace software side :)
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  • [07:43:44] <s_edrik> hi guys, I get this in dmesg when I connect my beagle board, am I doing something wrong? http://pastebin.org/129184
  • [07:43:57] <kapu> I'm doing my research phase right now, maybe I'm going to buy BB after two months or so
  • [07:44:28] <s_edrik> do you need to connect the board with the power adapter when connecting via usb?
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  • [07:48:00] <cwillu_at_work> no
  • [07:49:28] <s_edrik> I rewrote the sdcard following this manual http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidationv3
  • [07:49:56] <s_edrik> and the error I posted just now went away, I still cant connect to any of the ttyS ports via minicom
  • [07:50:36] <s_edrik> sorry for my stupidity, this is my first time playing with embedded software
  • [07:50:46] <AlTheKiller> disable flowcontrol in minicom?
  • [07:50:57] <cwillu_at_work> more of a picocom fan myself
  • [07:51:09] <cwillu_at_work> feels like fewer moving pieces to break
  • [07:51:47] <s_edrik> AlTheKiller: should have done that
  • [07:51:52] <s_edrik> will recheck
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  • [07:52:20] <s_edrik> flowcontrol was off
  • [07:53:05] <AlTheKiller> Well that reaches the extent of my recommendations at 4am.
  • [07:53:16] <AlTheKiller> Bed time :)
  • [07:53:28] <s_edrik> ^^
  • [07:53:31] <s_edrik> thanks
  • [07:54:22] <andruk> does anybody know if CONFIG_OMAP_MUX is set in rcn's 2.6.31.9-x9.1 kernel?
  • [07:55:10] <cwillu_at_work> andruk, the configs are posted with the kernels :p
  • [07:55:39] <cwillu_at_work> # CONFIG_OMAP_MUX is not set
  • [07:55:44] <cwillu_at_work> http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.31.9-x9.1/defconfig
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  • [07:59:44] <s_edrik> cwillu_at_work: downloaded and tried picocom with the follwing argument picocom -b 115200 /dev/ttyS{0-3} everyone of them gave me FATAL: failed to add device /dev/ttyS3: Filedes is not a tty
  • [07:59:46] <s_edrik> :(
  • [08:00:52] <cwillu_at_work> does /dev/ttyS[0123] exist?
  • [08:01:08] <cwillu_at_work> and do you have permission to open them?
  • [08:01:20] <s_edrik> they exist
  • [08:01:26] <s_edrik> I'm running as root
  • [08:01:32] <s_edrik> when trying this out
  • [08:03:53] <s_edrik> hmm, trying to connect directly to /dev/bus/usb/003/005 (which is the address given by dmesg) I still get the no tty problem :S
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  • [08:09:45] <s_edrik> I am currently using the mini-usb to try to connect to. Should I use the large usb instead?
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  • [08:16:08] <am88b> hello, I have googled for hours but I haven't got a concrete answer: am I currently able to play 720p video nicely, cleanly and without quirks on BeagleBoard or not?
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  • [08:18:02] <cwillu_at_work> am88b, "is the beagleboard an out-of-the-box media server?"
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  • [08:18:28] <am88b> cwillu_at_work: most certainly it isn't
  • [08:20:09] <am88b> ok, I'll rephrase my question... after installing everything what is needed, can I type 'mplayer <file>' or 'omapfbplay <file>' and I see 720p video play nicely?
  • [08:20:29] <cwillu_at_work> depending on the file, I'd expect so, yes
  • [08:20:46] <andruk> cwillu_at_work: thanks, im not familiar (at all) with kernel compilation
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  • [08:20:58] <hrw> morning
  • [08:21:12] <cwillu_at_work> grumble grumble
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  • [08:22:14] <am88b> ok, so if I use, for example, 'mencoder' for some magic and convert it to exactly what is currently supported, it plays nicely without quirks and with a/v synced?
  • [08:23:00] <cwillu_at_work> don't see why it wouldn't
  • [08:23:30] <am88b> ok, but if I do not use DSP, what quality I could expect? 640x480 would be decoded/played well?
  • [08:25:16] <av500> am88b: 720p, no
  • [08:26:40] <azariah2> I just got hold of a beagleboard, which of the two usb ports would you guys recommend for starting to test it out?
  • [08:27:15] <av500> ehci for host, otg for device
  • [08:28:24] <am88b> av500: yeah I know 720p is not possible without DSP, but standard VGA should be ok, no?
  • [08:28:30] <av500> yes
  • [08:28:47] <av500> e.g. MPEG4 at VGA should be fine
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  • [08:54:04] <thurbad> azariah2, the mini USB is primary for powering the board and getting a net connection from your host OS the standard USB port is high speed only, so it's best to connect a (powered) hub to that as the hub will allow slower speed devices to be attached
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  • [08:59:14] <azariah2> thurbad: I see, thanks!
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  • [09:03:45] <dcopeto> hello!
  • [09:04:18] <bobbens> hello
  • [09:04:35] <av500> world
  • [09:04:48] <dcopeto> I'm booting kernel 2.6.31 on the beagleboard and it stops at 'input: gpio-keys as /devices/platform/gpio-keys/input/input0'
  • [09:04:57] <dcopeto> any idea why?
  • [09:04:57] <siji> syntax error !!!
  • [09:07:18] <dcopeto> could this be an issue with 2.6.31?
  • [09:10:05] <thurbad> suppose it could be, why not start with something from the "stable" category? not sure if 2.6.31 is still part of the unstable repo or not
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  • [09:13:54] <dcopeto> thurbad: neither 2.6.30 or 2.6.32 are available in the openembedded repository...
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  • [09:15:53] <yatin> hi
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  • [09:16:48] <thurbad> yeah I'm using 2.6.29 2.6.31 had stability issues with the USB locking up for me
  • [09:18:51] <dcopeto> thurbad: I was using 2.6.29 too but I'm trying to get a wireless pen working and so decided to try a different kernel...
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  • [09:19:29] <dcopeto> any experience with rt2870 around here?
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  • [11:02:56] <am88b> are BeagleBoard clones (EBVBeagle, IGEPv2) basicly the same thing, so if I find any software/driver/howto/whatever for BeagleBoard, will it work on EBVBeagle/IGEPv2 too? (not considering obvious differences when one will have USB ethernet and other has ethernet already on the board)
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  • [11:12:25] <Crofton> am88b, the answer is "maybe"
  • [11:12:38] <Crofton> you will nee to review schematics etc
  • [11:13:38] * _koen_ looks at some GSoC submissions
  • [11:18:55] <thurbad> are there any lists of knockoff quality/compatibility issues?
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  • [11:30:30] <Crofton> thurbad, I do not know, but that sounds like a great list to have
  • [11:31:48] <Crofton> I have already volunteered to mentor one :)
  • [11:31:57] * av500 sees another unmaintained wiki
  • [11:32:28] <thurbad> unmaintained info is /sometimes/ better than no info
  • [11:32:51] <Crofton> thurbad, google for linux laptops
  • [11:32:57] <Crofton> I found a page from 1997 :)
  • [11:33:03] <thurbad> lol
  • [11:33:19] <thurbad> linux laptop support has come a LONG way
  • [11:33:47] <Crofton> yeah
  • [11:33:52] <thurbad> of course that may be because the manufacturers aren't putting out quite as closes POS's as they were before
  • [11:34:03] <thurbad> *closed
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  • [11:37:14] <thurbad> funny thing.. . I have a scanner that was high end 5 years ago.. but Windows doesn't even support it anymore.. works fine in linux
  • [11:38:39] <thurbad> well, maybe high end is an exaggeration, but it wasn't entry level
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  • [11:39:28] <av500> sadly, linux supports mostly 5y old scanner only...
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  • [11:41:33] <thurbad> oh... \o/ lucky me :)
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  • [11:57:29] <hrw> av500: mine is ~3y old now and still works under linux
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  • [12:04:15] <ant_work> scsi scanner from the 90's are still supported
  • [12:06:03] <mru> my cheapo hp combo unit I picked a few months ago works fine
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  • [12:29:42] <crux> ai all ....
  • [12:29:52] <crux> *hi
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  • [12:56:04] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [12:56:13] <av500> gm jkridner
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  • [12:58:32] <jkridner> hi av500.
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  • [12:58:46] <jkridner> any projects out there look like they are making some good progress?
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  • [12:59:05] <av500> jkridner: you tell us
  • [12:59:36] <jkridner> Most of the productive blog posts I see have nothing to do with the sponsored projects.
  • [12:59:55] <jkridner> i get most of my updates through blog posts....
  • [13:00:02] <jkridner> and some small amount of them through e-mails.
  • [13:00:14] <jkridner> lots of great things happening, but little out of the sponsored projects.
  • [13:00:42] <ppotera> wait till tomorrow...
  • [13:00:47] <av500> lol
  • [13:00:52] <ppotera> There will be lots of interesting news flying around ;)
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  • [13:01:47] <jkridner> any sneak preview?
  • [13:02:04] <ppotera> beagle overclocked to 3GHz?
  • [13:02:11] <ppotera> ;)
  • [13:02:42] <av500> 3 only?
  • [13:03:06] <ppotera> bbl - gotta tend to kids for a bit
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  • [13:27:39] <juan__> can somebody plz help me with gpio signals ?
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  • [13:37:33] <haggisbasheruk> juan__, i think you need to elaborate more to get an answer , what problem are you having for example , explain what you are trying to do etc
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  • [13:39:43] <juan__> yes
  • [13:40:16] <juan__> I explain further...i was just checking to now if there was anyone answering
  • [13:40:22] <juan__> know *
  • [13:40:30] <juan__> I have the following problem
  • [13:40:42] <av500> ppl cannot answer before they know the question
  • [13:40:50] <av500> if they could, they would be rich and not here
  • [13:40:57] <haggisbasheruk> ppl will only answer if there is a question :P
  • [13:41:02] <juan__> I am using the expansion header to communicate the beagleboard with another hardware threw gpio pins
  • [13:41:24] <juan__> some pins work fine...but others do not work...
  • [13:41:42] <juan__> I know the expansion header has many signals multiplexed...
  • [13:42:11] <juan__> so what i need to know is which gpios are available to use and which are carrying other signals
  • [13:43:24] <av500> that is up to you to decide
  • [13:43:43] <juan__> I have seen the gpio mappings in the beagleboard documentation...but i dont understand how to select "option A"
  • [13:43:48] <juan__> (or B or C)
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  • [13:46:23] <adj> fastest way is to modify u-boot muxing configuration
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  • [13:47:59] <juan__> do you know where I can find more information about that?
  • [13:48:12] <adj> u-boot source :)
  • [13:48:35] <adj> that particular part of the source explains itself quite well
  • [13:48:57] <av500> adj: and you are sure not a single kernel driver or bb board setup file will change that?
  • [13:49:04] <juan__> anyway...why is that there are more gpios than the ones that are shown on tables corresponding "option A" option B"...etc
  • [13:49:14] <av500> juan__: ?
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  • [13:49:37] <adj> av500: no, I'm not sure. But then again I cannot be sure even if I used kernel muxing configuration
  • [13:50:31] <adj> so I can only hope that no driver messes with any mux configuration registers if muxin is disabled in kernel config
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  • [13:50:56] <juan__> my fault...i just got my last question
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  • [13:55:44] <juan__> adj: do you have any example on how to change the mux option?
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  • [13:58:18] <adj> juan__: check beagle.h in u-boot
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  • [14:18:39] <juan__> what happens if i use the pseudo files from linux that represent gpios (/sys/class/gpio/..) with gpio signals that are available on different options?
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  • [14:20:33] <s_edrik> does anyone know if this ever got anywhere? http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/40b0161a4d3d64ef/432f377496e63847?lnk=gst&q=patch+usb+boot#432f377496e63847
  • [14:20:41] <s_edrik> sry for the long url ^^
  • [14:21:24] <av500> I dont think so
  • [14:22:52] <s_edrik> :(
  • [14:23:20] <av500> feel free to pick it up
  • [14:24:48] <s_edrik> will have to try the patch to see if it does what it saus
  • [14:24:50] <s_edrik> says..
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  • [14:30:57] <fabjan> So, developing for a beagleboard without means to connect to its serial port is a bit hard?
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  • [14:33:20] <juan__> another question...I am afraid is to easy...but...which is the input voltage for the gpios? 1.8 or 5?
  • [14:33:48] <av500> 1.8
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  • [14:38:08] <juan__> I have looped gpio168 and gpio140, turned on gpio168 (I have a led connected to that and its on) but when i do "cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio140/value"
  • [14:38:11] <juan__> i get a 0
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  • [14:41:50] <nlCortana> <juan__> did you set the direction?
  • [14:41:55] <juan__> yes
  • [14:42:16] <juan__> echo "in" /sys/class/gpio/gpio140/direction
  • [14:42:31] <nlCortana> strange, i never tested it for myself but this should work :S
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  • [14:46:41] <nlCortana> @ juan__: they do something with the unexport: http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/14/reading-beagleboard-gpio/
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  • [14:49:35] <juan__> I did follow that example
  • [14:50:07] <juan__> i can read user button...but no other gpio still
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  • [14:51:24] <juan__> (in fact...i am using exactly that code to check if it is up or not)
  • [14:54:28] <juan__> any suggestions?
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  • [14:59:40] <nlCortana> sorry, i'm not that experienced. Maybe someone else on this channel can help you
  • [15:00:08] <nlCortana> (also just starting with OMAP)
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  • [15:05:06] <nlCortana> does anyone have experience with GStreamer and the gst-ti plugin for use with the DSP
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  • [15:22:46] <Stskeeps> g 17
  • [15:25:47] <av500> h 18
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  • [15:26:08] <hrw> z45
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  • [15:57:47] <bfrog> can I have the dsp read straight in from one of the expansion ports mcbsp's ?
  • [15:58:12] <av500> yes, but why?
  • [15:58:16] <bfrog> fast adc
  • [15:58:25] <bfrog> through spi
  • [15:58:41] * av500 wonders since when spi is fast
  • [15:59:06] <bfrog> http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/ads1675.html
  • [15:59:08] <mru> sending data directly to the dsp can certainly be useful
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  • [15:59:23] <mru> cuts out the linux interrupt latency
  • [15:59:34] <bfrog> exactly
  • [15:59:35] <av500> I would assume this adc samples continously
  • [16:00:09] <av500> so the total system latency could be an issue
  • [16:01:08] <av500> bfrog: it can be done of course
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  • [16:08:09] <bfrog> excellent
  • [16:08:16] <bfrog> thats what I was thinking reading everything
  • [16:08:26] <bfrog> but I thought I'd do some crowdsourcing for more information
  • [16:08:38] <av500> but then you might want mcspi for spi, not mcbsp
  • [16:08:40] <bfrog> woo, just got the beagle in the mail
  • [16:08:50] <bfrog> well mcbsp can be used as spi
  • [16:08:53] <bfrog> but yeah
  • [16:08:58] <bfrog> I guess it makes sense to save some pins
  • [16:09:02] <bfrog> by setting it up for spi
  • [16:10:00] <mru> don't forget the level shifters
  • [16:10:30] <bfrog> yeah I got those already
  • [16:10:43] <bfrog> 3.3 to 1.8 and vice versa
  • [16:11:17] <bfrog> though I think that adc can be setup to do 1.8, they say lvds
  • [16:11:21] <bfrog> isn't lvds 1.8?
  • [16:11:44] <av500> lv is low voltage, but ds is differential signaling
  • [16:11:52] <bfrog> gotcha
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  • [16:12:06] <bfrog> noice reduction reasons?
  • [16:12:15] <bfrog> I guess if its clocked high enough it might make sense?
  • [16:12:32] <av500> you supress common mode noise
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  • [17:55:38] <tush726> Where can I find the hardware reference docs of beagle board?
  • [17:55:57] <kapu> http://beagleboard.org/
  • [17:56:10] <kapu> you are blind if you miss it
  • [17:56:32] <prpplague> tush726: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard has direct links to the specific pages
  • [17:56:51] <prpplague> tush726: just about everything you ever wanted to know about the beagle can be found or linked on that page
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  • [17:57:46] <kapu> prpplague: I did not found information about audio workinfs
  • [17:58:23] * prpplague looks
  • [17:59:08] <prpplague> kapu: indeed
  • [17:59:17] <prpplague> kapu: feel free to add some info
  • [18:00:45] <tush726> I am looking for ARM specific information
  • [18:01:35] <prpplague> tush726: such as?
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  • [18:02:31] <tush726> interrupts
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  • [18:03:39] <prpplague> tush726: that is still a little vague, what is it you want to know? most of the interrupt information with regards to the OMAP35xx can be found in the TRM
  • [18:04:59] <Ceriand|work> or the Cortex-A8 TRM
  • [18:05:25] <kapu> prpplague: I would, but I'm on my phase doing research about beagleboard, I don't own one...
  • [18:05:52] <tush726> I want to know how can I handle interrupts on the OMAP35xx ?
  • [18:06:19] <Ceriand|work> tush726: in linux or your own app?
  • [18:06:55] <tush726> I am planning to port Minix to Beagle Board
  • [18:07:22] <ppotera> interrupt goes to INTC, if it's enabled it signals ARM, appropriate vector fires...IRQ service routine runs
  • [18:07:24] <ppotera> in a nutshell
  • [18:07:30] <prpplague> kapu: ahh
  • [18:08:08] <Ceriand|work> tush726: the interrupt controller is chapter 10 in the TI TRM
  • [18:08:09] <ppotera> I think INTC chapter is what you want to look at
  • [18:08:09] <prpplague> tush726: yea a good place to start is getting the omap35xx trm and then getting the ARM ARM
  • [18:08:33] <ppotera> 2nd ARM being Architecture Reference Manual
  • [18:09:17] <ppotera> you want one for v7 - ddi0406, IIRC?
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  • [18:09:47] <tush726> I think those were the docs I was looking for. Thanks.
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  • [18:12:49] <emeb> dumb question: what's all the interest in porting Minix lately? Is it just an academic exercise, or is it useful beyond learning OS innards?
  • [18:14:07] <prpplague> emeb: i had the same question, i personally assumed it was mainly for learning
  • [18:14:39] <prpplague> emeb: i've spent some time port UZI to a number of arm platforms basically just for educational purposes
  • [18:15:05] <ojn> There seems to be a GSoC project porting minix to beagle.
  • [18:15:19] <ojn> It would explain the number of random people looking at it
  • [18:15:21] <ppotera> That's where I heard about this before...
  • [18:15:57] <emeb> yeah - I knew about the GSoC linkage. Just curious why that was worth an investment.
  • [18:16:00] <prpplague> ojn: right, the question is why would someone , other than for educational purposes, want to spend time porting minix to a new hardware platform
  • [18:16:25] <ojn> prpplague: Yeah, no idea. I'd think any university that wants to teach OS with something "small" could run minix on a simulator (qemu?) instead.
  • [18:16:54] <ojn> I guess there's always the additional marketing factor from having your students actually work with hardware.
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  • [18:19:43] <prpplague> emeb: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/
  • [18:19:58] <prpplague> emeb: done a few ports of that, had it running on the JuiceBox a few years back
  • [18:20:22] <emeb> Cool - was just googling UZI. Looks interesting.
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  • [18:20:55] <emeb> I've got a box full of un-opened Juiceboxes out in the garage. Need to think of something interesting to do with them.
  • [18:21:03] <emeb> (got
  • [18:21:06] <ojn> prpplague: that website seems busted
  • [18:21:20] <emeb> 'em when they were being blown out at Overstock)
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  • [18:23:14] <AlTheKiller> video camera + parking garage?
  • [18:23:51] <emeb> ojn: I seem to be able to navigate the UZIX site OK.
  • [18:25:12] <emeb> ah - belay that. Lots of dead links...
  • [18:28:37] <prpplague> ojn: yea its a very old project so i'd alot of brokeness
  • [18:28:47] <prpplague> i really should mirror the info over on elinux.org
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  • [18:30:58] <_av500_> prpplague: keep your wikis updated!
  • [18:31:55] <prpplague> _av500_: that one isn't mine, but point taken
  • [18:37:31] <djlewis_> is that like, always wear your clean wiki's?
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  • [18:38:18] <djlewis_> otherwise if caught with your wikis down you might face a problem...
  • [18:38:36] <prpplague> djlewis_: yea something like that
  • [18:39:13] <djlewis_> best humuor I could muster... :P
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  • [18:52:19] <bfrog> anyone try running arch-mobile on the arm?
  • [18:52:23] <bfrog> on the *beagle
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  • [18:58:37] <DaveD_onHiatus> they have one now?
  • [18:58:59] <bfrog> they have a screen shot of running it on there
  • [18:59:04] <bfrog> I imagine its mostly a kernel thing
  • [19:01:31] <DaveD_onHiatus> idd. but I remember the problems they had getting amd64 archlinux to work ok and stable rolling updates
  • [19:02:02] <bfrog> arch64 is top notch these days
  • [19:02:06] <bfrog> its all I use
  • [19:03:09] <DaveD_onHiatus> do they ship correct documentation these days? not some converted deb file (f.e. gtk devhelp books and so)
  • [19:03:17] <DaveD_onHiatus> and do they include all documentation, not just hald
  • [19:03:44] <DaveD_onHiatus> that is what scared me away, no propper library documentation, and askin for it caused the devs to call me a troll
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  • [19:04:19] <DaveD_onHiatus> i did like arch itself, ran my own repository and so
  • [19:06:15] <bfrog> everything I man seems to work
  • [19:06:20] <bfrog> I think they hate info stuff though
  • [19:06:23] <bfrog> I don't blame them
  • [19:06:45] <bfrog> the web is a better resource
  • [19:06:54] <DaveD_onHiatus> well it can be _realy_ annoying if you find out the docs shipped are for a newer of gtk then you run
  • [19:06:56] <DaveD_onHiatus> and stuff like that
  • [19:07:03] <DaveD_onHiatus> well In f.e. train i do not have internet
  • [19:07:23] <bfrog> you can archive whole websites pretty easily...
  • [19:07:53] <DaveD_onHiatus> just type devhelp, get the documentation with propper search is _lot_ better
  • [19:08:03] <DaveD_onHiatus> anyway I just switched.
  • [19:11:01] <bfrog> I never really programmed a lot with gtk so I guess I never knew about that problem
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  • [19:11:40] <bfrog> debian or ubuntu then probably right?
  • [19:12:29] <ds2> morning
  • [19:13:18] <emeb> ds2: hi
  • [19:14:42] <djlewis_> good morning ds2 and others
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  • [19:21:34] <_av500_> gm
  • [19:22:27] <haggisbasheruk> pm here :P
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  • [19:23:24] <djlewis_> going down for a reboot.. :(
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  • [19:24:45] <DaveD_onHiatus> bfrog: what ever works the best
  • [19:24:52] <DaveD_onHiatus> not realy hung to one distro
  • [19:29:05] <bfrog> yeah, I hear you
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  • [19:37:52] <DaveD_onHiatus> I still run arch on my netbook
  • [19:38:10] <DaveD_onHiatus> I can get it to run with < 36 mb memory used and boot into that full desktop in just a few seconds
  • [19:38:38] <bfrog> haha yeah :-)
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  • [19:40:49] <DaveD_onHiatus> http://images.sarine.nl/2009-08-24-153342_1024x600_scrot.png <-- looks like that..
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  • [19:41:09] <DaveD_onHiatus> screenshot of kuki linux, but I use same desktop..
  • [19:41:15] <DaveD_onHiatus> kuki was even a bit faster then arch
  • [19:41:40] <bfrog> hah, nice
  • [19:42:15] <DaveD_onHiatus> http://images.sarine.nl/desktop27012010.png <-- run same on desktop
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  • [19:54:03] <haggisbasheruk> :)
  • [19:54:34] <DaveD_onHiatus> kind of crazy booting aa 80mb desktop when you have 8 gig
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  • [19:55:42] * _av500_ does not get why people boot
  • [19:56:00] <DaveD_onHiatus> sorry to lazy to implement in-place execution on my desktop
  • [19:56:22] <_av500_> u boot once in a while
  • [19:56:59] <DaveD_onHiatus> even though I made the pc very quiet, I like to sleep in silence
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  • [19:58:21] <amirtar> hello
  • [19:58:27] <haggisbasheruk> hibernate led blinking keeps me awake lol
  • [19:58:55] <amirtar> I have some question about Google Summer of Code
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  • [19:59:20] <haggisbasheruk> just ask
  • [19:59:37] <amirtar> I am new with GSOC
  • [19:59:48] <amirtar> I am PhD student in CE
  • [20:00:03] <amirtar> and I have heared about Beagle board from my phd advisor before
  • [20:00:19] <amirtar> I read your idea list
  • [20:00:31] <amirtar> but I am still lost in the process
  • [20:00:39] <amirtar> how does it works?
  • [20:01:22] <_av500_> jkridner: ^^^^^^^^^^
  • [20:01:37] <_av500_> did u find somthing u are interested in?
  • [20:01:57] <amirtar> yes
  • [20:02:24] <amirtar> I am more interetd in HW/SW parts like adding sensing to beagle board
  • [20:02:32] <amirtar> and touch screen LCD
  • [20:02:41] <kblin> amirtar: I don't know much about the beagleboard proposals, but I'm happy to answer general gsoc-related questions :)
  • [20:03:22] <amirtar> ok
  • [20:03:52] <amirtar> I am currenly working with H.264 vodeo encoder,
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  • [20:03:58] <ds2> what would you like to do with the LCD/touch screen?
  • [20:04:33] <amirtar> It seems there is not a Firmware and API for adding a touch screen
  • [20:04:37] <amirtar> to beagle board
  • [20:04:50] <ds2> all of the code to do that is in the stock kernel
  • [20:05:01] <ds2> all you need to do is tell the kernel where you attached it and you are done
  • [20:05:33] <amirtar> it seems I am talkin to too many people at the same time
  • [20:05:47] <ds2> =)
  • [20:05:50] <amirtar> let me first ask my questions about GSOC
  • [20:06:18] <amirtar> then I'll go into more details of beagle board projects
  • [20:07:09] <kblin> sure :)
  • [20:10:06] <amirtar> sorry fir delay
  • [20:10:32] <amirtar> It is my first time I am participating in GSOC
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  • [20:10:50] <amirtar> as I underestood, the process is as follows
  • [20:10:57] <amirtar> I have to go through mentor list
  • [20:11:15] <amirtar> then I have to go to idea list of mentors that I like
  • [20:11:36] <amirtar> then after selecting the idea, or comming up with my own idea
  • [20:11:55] <amirtar> I have to write a proposal, usually based on the templated prepared by mentor
  • [20:12:08] <amirtar> and then I have to apply for the Idea.
  • [20:12:14] <amirtar> Is it correct?
  • [20:12:21] <kblin> so far, yes :)
  • [20:12:25] <amirtar> ok
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  • [20:12:51] <kblin> of course you ideally get in touch with the mentoring organization before writing and submitting your proposal
  • [20:12:59] <kblin> like you're just doing :)
  • [20:13:20] <amirtar> yes thats why I came to beagle channel to find some of the mentors here
  • [20:13:31] <amirtar> uhum
  • [20:14:00] <amirtar> Ok, lets concentrate on beagle board
  • [20:14:15] <kblin> jkridner likely is the person to look for, iirc he runs the gsoc participation of beagleboard.org
  • [20:14:37] <kblin> but of course other people in here should be able to answer questions about the board :)
  • [20:14:37] <haggisbasheruk> attention all MENTORS please :)
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  • [20:16:21] <bfrog> when booting off of mmc using the demo image for the first time, it says it might take 5 mins or so
  • [20:16:32] <bfrog> I see I2C: ready in minicom
  • [20:16:37] <bfrog> is that a good sign?
  • [20:16:48] <bfrog> or did I do something wrong, its had there in minicom for about 5min
  • [20:18:56] <amirtar> I do not own beagle board, how can I access to a board for writing code, and debugging it via a JTAG connection?
  • [20:21:39] <amirtar> ??
  • [20:21:50] <bfrog> nm
  • [20:21:55] <bfrog> I needed to hold down user button
  • [20:21:57] <bfrog> yay!
  • [20:22:01] <bfrog> angstrom works, cool deal
  • [20:22:26] <amirtar> @kblin, how can I chat with jkrinder?
  • [20:23:38] <kblin> amirtar: email probably would work, or you could hang out here a bit and see if he pops up online
  • [20:24:26] <amirtar> oohoom
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  • [20:25:13] <kblin> you could also try reaching the person mentioned as mentor for the proposal you're interested in
  • [20:25:28] <kblin> I
  • [20:25:41] <ds2> amirtar: if your app gets accepted, I believe you will get board
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  • [20:25:52] <kblin> I don't know how you'll get at the hardware, but you do get $500 when your app is accepted
  • [20:25:53] <amirtar> oohoom
  • [20:26:03] <kblin> so even if you don't get a board for free, you can get one
  • [20:26:13] <kblin> it's like $150 or somesuch
  • [20:26:29] <ds2> don't worry about the boards... propose something that is a benefit for the community in the long run
  • [20:26:51] <amirtar> Sure
  • [20:26:53] <amirtar> Thanks
  • [20:27:10] <kblin> but yeah, as ds2 said, I guess the beagleboard folks will have thought about this :)
  • [20:27:52] <amirtar> well
  • [20:28:02] <DanaG> Some day once I've got a good income, I'd like to sponsor a GSOC project of a pulseaudio windows virtual sound card driver.
  • [20:28:19] <DanaG> Streaming over the network to a beagleboard... awesome.
  • [20:29:23] <amirtar> Have you seen H.264 Encoder/Decoder for beagle board?
  • [20:30:00] <ds2> what flavor on what part of the board?
  • [20:30:45] <DanaG> oh yeah, and that new u-boot with support for expansion boards... doesn't do the specialcomp.com lcd board.
  • [20:31:21] <ds2> DanaG: as I have said before...U-boot is not the way to do that stuff...having said that... it is trivial to add that
  • [20:32:08] <ppotera> prpplague, still there?
  • [20:34:25] <emeb> DanaG: how can u-boot detect the Specialcomp.com LCD board? It's not on the expansion connector, just the LCD headers. u-boot only tries to read the I2C bus on the expansion header for board IDs.
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  • [20:34:35] <prpplague> ppotera: depending on who you ask, "still there?" is a matter of debate
  • [20:34:35] <DanaG> ah.
  • [20:34:40] <prpplague> ppotera: what's up?
  • [20:36:16] <emeb> Interesting idea though - there's an I2C on the LCD if I'm not mistaken. Drive ds2 up the wall and put ID proms on that one too. :)
  • [20:36:25] <ppotera> um, a window or a tab didn't open for you anywhere?
  • [20:36:48] <prpplague> ppotera: sorry i have a bunch open, hehe
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  • [21:02:38] <ds2> emeb: the reality of it is I will be putting an ID rom there... I just don't think it is useful
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  • [21:03:43] <rohan> hi
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  • [21:13:37] <DanaG> weird... my asix usb ethernet adapter doesn't work if plugged in during boot... I have to unplug and replug it before it works.
  • [21:14:00] <DanaG> Also, the USB-net chip that's supposed to be on the beagle XM has GPIOs; are those exposed?
  • [21:14:04] <DanaG> It sure would be nice to do so.
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  • [21:15:48] <prpplague> DanaG: no they aren't exposed
  • [21:15:53] <DanaG> Bummer.
  • [21:16:08] <prpplague> DanaG: what would you do with them?
  • [21:16:15] <DanaG> It would've been nice to have had non-muxed GPIO pins, in addition to the expansion header.
  • [21:16:31] <DanaG> (though, I don't have anything specific in mind for GPIOs.)
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  • [23:03:55] <djlewis_> later gators...
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