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  • [00:50:28] <GeorgeIoak> I want/need to compile wireless USB driver but can't seem to find the right help. I've got source files from Realtek. Can anyone point me to the right site to learn how to do this?
  • [00:51:46] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, compile to what?
  • [00:52:24] <djlewis> BeagleBoard?
  • [00:52:39] <GeorgeIoak> compile so I can load the module on the BB running Ubuntu/Lucid (eLinux.org)
  • [00:53:23] <djlewis> well, you could compile it on your BB just like with regular Ubuntu
  • [00:53:56] <GeorgeIoak> My Linksys WUSB600Nv1 wasn't working so I went and bought 2 other USB Wireless and they both are using Realtek and they don't load at all. Linksys saw my router but would never connect
  • [00:54:29] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, I dont use the Ubuntu for BB but that might be another issue
  • [00:54:49] <GeorgeIoak> this is what I used to create my build:
  • [00:54:52] <GeorgeIoak> sudo ./rootstock --fqdn beagleboard --login ubuntu --password temppwd --imagesize 2G --dist karmic \ --serial ttyS2 --seed xfce4,gdm,xubuntu-gdm-theme,xubuntu-artwork,linux-firmware,wireless-tools,ntpdate,network-manager \ --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/karmic/v2.6.32.9-x9.1/linux-image-2.6.32.9-x9.1_1.0karmic_armel.deb
  • [00:55:02] <djlewis> in the case of Angstrom wifi is not plug and play in most cases
  • [00:55:48] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, I cant help you there. Again, I dont use Ubuntu on my BB
  • [00:56:07] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, rcn-ee would be good to try
  • [00:56:14] <GeorgeIoak> Well thanks for responding, perhaps someone else can chime in!
  • [01:00:41] <NotZed> ahh life. just curios when this place is active - are most participants in uk/us or all over?
  • [01:01:01] <GeorgeIoak> west coast US
  • [01:01:03] <thurbad> GeorgeIoak, have you tried compiling it on the beagleboard?
  • [01:01:42] <GeorgeIoak> no, i just thought it might need special compile switches since it's intended for PCs and not running on ARM hardware
  • [01:02:03] <djlewis> NotZed, mostly europe daytime with scattered US
  • [01:02:15] <GeorgeIoak> you think just copy the source directory over and issue "make" in the directory?
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  • [01:02:20] <thurbad> probably only if they have assembly hidden in there
  • [01:02:53] <NotZed> djlewis: ok cool, thanks
  • [01:02:55] <thurbad> it's definitely worthy of trying
  • [01:03:44] <djlewis> NotZed, that is daytime US I referred to
  • [01:04:42] <GeorgeIoak> i'll go fire the board back up and give it a try now
  • [01:05:03] <thurbad> I've compiled realtek drivers before on desktop.. and ran into a big gotcha, had to do sudo su before trying to make; make install
  • [01:05:24] <thurbad> the normal make; sudo make install didn't work
  • [01:05:31] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, as thurbad mentioned you might visually scan for ass'y code if it crashes a build
  • [01:05:34] <NotZed> djlewis: ahh, not how it read :). no matter, just curious. not as handy for au but oh well.
  • [01:06:20] <djlewis> NotZed, your daytime is a mix of US and Asian hours?
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  • [01:18:03] <GeorgeIoak> my luck, gcc wasn't brought into that build i did. i do have a usr/lib/gcc directory but no actual compiler so it looks like i'll have to seed gcc into my build and give this another try unless someone has another idea
  • [01:18:04] <NotZed> err, our daytime is asian hours. it's us evening (it's midday here). but daytime isn't normally when i have time for beagleboard, it's evening/late evening.
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  • [01:19:24] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, can you install build-essential on your B?
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  • [01:20:43] <djlewis> NotZed, stay up late and catch those talented guys in europe.
  • [01:20:43] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis, I can add that into my seed lsit
  • [01:21:04] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, it should have the compiler etc.
  • [01:21:40] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis, so build-essential rather than just gcc-4.4?
  • [01:22:21] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, yes
  • [01:23:23] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis, will do. it will take awhile but at least i'll be trying something. i've been searching for awhile now without any luck
  • [01:24:59] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak , I have used a thumbdrive to install .ipk's for Angstrom
  • [01:25:23] <djlewis> I expect a .deb would install that way as well
  • [01:26:32] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis, i tried looking into that couldn't find an easy way. i think i need to use wget to download the package and then transfer it onto a thumbdrive but i couldn't find any good instructions
  • [01:26:54] <GeorgeIoak> you're really kind of hosed without internet connectivity
  • [01:27:19] <djlewis> I wasn't going to tell you the obvious ;)
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  • [01:28:34] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, apt-get [options] source pkg1 should work?
  • [01:29:10] <djlewis> where source = path to drive and file
  • [01:29:43] <GeorgeIoak> normally on my host i just run "sudo apt-get install packagename", what would you do to just download the package so i can xfer it to the bb?
  • [01:29:48] <djlewis> ignore [options] it was a apt-get help copy paste
  • [01:30:51] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, nevermind the source too. it is for dnld'g source archive.
  • [01:31:11] <djlewis> -d download only
  • [01:31:34] <GeorgeIoak> so just "sudo apt-get -d build-essentials"
  • [01:31:38] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, type apt-get help
  • [01:31:41] <djlewis> I think so.
  • [01:32:07] <djlewis> but that is the one for your wkstn?
  • [01:32:25] <djlewis> or are you pathed to the BB ubuntu sources?
  • [01:32:58] <GeorgeIoak> but how do i let apt-get know that i want build-essentials for the distro running on my bb and not my host distro?
  • [01:33:08] <NotZed> goargeioak: you can just get the packages and use dpkg -i xx.deb to install them on the target. the tricky part is getting all the dependencies, but it's just a tedious iterative process, not hard
  • [01:33:11] <djlewis> yep.
  • [01:33:53] <djlewis> the pkg he needs is build-essentials for his BB distro
  • [01:34:06] <NotZed> isn't that just a meta-package though?
  • [01:34:24] <GeorgeIoak> I build my BB image with this command:
  • [01:34:26] <GeorgeIoak> sudo ./rootstock --fqdn beagleboard --login ubuntu --password temppwd --imagesize 2G --dist karmic \ --serial ttyS2 --seed xfce4,gdm,xubuntu-gdm-theme,xubuntu-artwork,linux-firmware,wireless-tools,ntpdate,network-manager \ --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/karmic/v2.6.32.9-x9.1/linux-image-2.6.32.9-x9.1_1.0karmic_armel.deb
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  • [01:34:41] <NotZed> oh ok, just add it there then?
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  • [01:35:07] <djlewis> thats a long way but a way ;)
  • [01:35:07] <GeorgeIoak> we were just discussing and easy way to add-in build-essentials rather than just adding another seed and going through the whole process again
  • [01:35:07] <NotZed> it's 'build-essential' i think (without s)
  • [01:35:29] <djlewis> yes, build-essential, no s
  • [01:36:22] <djlewis> apt-get is going to use the /etc/apt//sources references
  • [01:36:23] <GeorgeIoak> OK, I'll just modify my seed to add-in build-essential
  • [01:36:46] <djlewis> single slash etc/apt/sources
  • [01:37:49] <GeorgeIoak> everyone else on here was just luck enough to get wireless networking working?
  • [01:38:13] <NotZed> i'm using a 2nd hand ethernet dongle
  • [01:38:32] <GeorgeIoak> USB-to-ethernet?
  • [01:38:40] <NotZed> all of $5 at a local pc shop
  • [01:38:44] <djlewis> after whooping on connman in Angstrom
  • [01:38:48] <GeorgeIoak> I almost bought one but figured it would need special drivers
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  • [01:39:41] <NotZed> i think most ethernet-usb boxes use the same chipset, so it's pretty widely supported(?) at $5 it was worth the risk it wasn't anyway
  • [01:40:07] <NotZed> s/it wasn't//
  • [01:40:34] <NotZed> hm, no was right. must wake up.
  • [01:40:58] <GeorgeIoak> if i can't compile the driver tonight i may just have to go buy one tomorrow. it was ~$15 here at Fry's
  • [01:43:02] <djlewis> I have tested a wifi pull from a tiny HP desktop
  • [01:43:48] <djlewis> and a Linksys wusb54g
  • [01:44:05] <NotZed> georgeioak: how long does that rootstock command take/on what kind of hardware?
  • [01:45:23] <GeorgeIoak> I'm running VMWare on a fairly fast host and it still takes awhile. Can't remember exactly but maybe 30-60min. Inside VMware I'm running UNR (Ubuntu Netbook Remix)
  • [01:45:57] <GeorgeIoak> I then have a SD card with dual partition and then bring that to the BB for booting from the card
  • [01:47:30] <GeorgeIoak> I first tried w/ a Linksys WUSB600Nv1 and yesterday I bought a Netgear and a Sabrent thinking I'd end up with different chipsets. The linksys uses a Ralink but the 2 new ones both use a Realtek
  • [01:48:14] <NotZed> oh that's not too long.
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  • [01:48:19] <DanaG> worst wifi I've seen is realtek USB wifi in a Netgear thingy.
  • [01:48:26] <GeorgeIoak> I made progess w/ the Linksys after I installed Network Manager but no matter what I did it just wouldn't connect
  • [01:48:30] <DanaG> It can scalding hot, and then shut down due to overheating.
  • [01:48:50] <DanaG> GeorgeIoak: do you have a desktop environment, or is it headless?
  • [01:49:05] <GeorgeIoak> DanaG: Oh boy, thanks, just what I needed. I figured my router was a Netgear so I'd try a Netgear dongle
  • [01:49:17] <NotZed> ouch
  • [01:49:26] <GeorgeIoak> Danag: On the BB or my host?
  • [01:49:27] * djlewis was searching the rcn-ee site for packages but could not find build-essentials
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  • [01:49:43] <DanaG> I mean on the beagleboard.
  • [01:49:52] <NotZed> i've always historically had so much trouble with network maanger i always remove it, although perhaps it is 'fixed' now
  • [01:50:10] <GeorgeIoak> no, i've got keyboard, mouse and connect to a tv through the dvi
  • [01:50:40] <DanaG> Ah. mine's headless. I copied my /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Home (Home is profile name) to the same place on the beagleboard.
  • [01:51:05] <GeorgeIoak> i tried and tried w/ iwconfig and couldn't get it work so i figured i'd install network manager and it at least let me know the drivers were loaded since it displayed the routers in my neighborhood
  • [01:51:09] <DanaG> It only really started to auto-connect when I edited /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf to say managed=true
  • [01:51:47] <GeorgeIoak> let me look in my sd card for that
  • [01:52:33] <djlewis> in my case with Angstrom I had to disable network manager and set all manually.
  • [01:52:51] <DanaG> oh, and I got the "Home" file on my host by setting the connection as "available to all users"
  • [01:53:27] <GeorgeIoak> i see that my nm-system-settings.conf file has managed=false
  • [01:53:47] <GeorgeIoak> my problem isn't just auto connecting, it just hasn't connected at all
  • [01:53:50] <DanaG> Weird.
  • [01:54:15] <DanaG> try stopping the networkmanager service (how to do it depends on distro), and then in console, sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon
  • [01:54:27] <DanaG> by "console", I mean local or serial.
  • [01:54:37] <GeorgeIoak> i've tried w/ and w/o security and it must have been installed correctly because it knew when to ask for the pass phrase
  • [01:54:57] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, there went my next question :P
  • [01:55:28] <NotZed> time i did some yard work, ttfn
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  • [01:55:40] <GeorgeIoak> maybe before i installed network manager i didn't try all the correct iwconfig statements?
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  • [01:58:34] <DanaG> hmm, how do I make rsyslog log TO a remote system?
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  • [02:13:57] <DanaG> oh yeah, so the WG111 works... for a while. But then it dies.
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  • [02:28:07] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis: man, build-essential is adding a bunch of stuff, it's up to 400 and counting ...
  • [02:30:32] <GeorgeIoak> djlewis: 150MB in 27min, now it's unpacking
  • [02:35:33] <DanaG> ugh, something (likely the Netgear wifi adapter) is causing so much EMI that it actually disables the USB-Serial adapter's USB port on the HOST system!'s causing so
  • [02:35:39] <DanaG> er, sorry, lost some letters there.
  • [02:39:29] <DanaG> yeah, the usb wifi thingy is getting only 1.6 megabits per second.
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  • [02:51:20] <tealbird> Hi, we're having issues getting the serial port to come up with the angstrom demo image. We have usb-serial adapter, null modem, and serial to 10 pin
  • [02:52:47] <DanaG> netgear fail: 0.0-35.0 sec 5.18 MBytes 1.24 Mbits/sec
  • [02:53:22] <DanaG> hmm, make sure the ribbon on the header thingy goes all the way across one row, and then all the way across the other -- not staggered.
  • [02:55:25] <DanaG> so yeah, netgear fails.
  • [02:58:57] <djlewis> GeorgeIoak, I been away on the phone. sounds like it got enough ;)
  • [02:59:35] <GeorgeIoak> it's done. i'm taring onto the SD card now so getting close
  • [03:05:06] <thurbad> yeah build essential is a big meta package
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  • [03:14:33] <GeorgeIoak> well i'm off to boot up the new distro and see if i can compile that driver...
  • [03:16:26] <DanaG1> So... laptop ethernet to router to netgear wifi... 1.2 megabits. Laptop iwlagn to router to ethernet to beagleboard... 20 megabits.
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  • [03:18:23] <DanaG1> oh yeah, the SMSC LAN/USB thingy that's supposed to be in the XM, has GPIOs available.
  • [03:18:28] <DanaG1> Are there plans to expose those GPIOs?
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  • [03:26:18] <GeorgeIoak> mkae didn't go very far, looks like i need to edit the config file to point to some different directories
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  • [03:47:38] <GeorgeIoak> what would cause "uname -r" to say 2.6.32.7-x7.1 when I have /lib/modules/2.6.32.9-x9.1 in my filesystem?
  • [03:48:34] <tealbird> GeorgeIoak: modules doesn't have to match kernel
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  • [03:49:53] <GeorgeIoak> so if the driver source that I'm trying to compile is using $(shell uname -r) to navigate in my filesystem I should just edit the make file with my actual directories?
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  • [04:01:09] <tealbird> GeorgeIoak: I don't quite understand
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  • [04:07:18] <GeorgeIoak> I've got source files for a wireless dongle that I'm trying to compile on the BB. the makefile is using some commands in the make file to determine what directories to use
  • [04:08:21] <GeorgeIoak> for instance the first line in the Makefile is:
  • [04:08:22] <GeorgeIoak> LINUX_KSRC_MODULE = /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
  • [04:09:42] <GeorgeIoak> if I issue uname -r I get back 2.6.32.7-x7.1 but if I look at my filesystem I see the 2.6.32.9-x9.1 directory
  • [04:11:57] <GeorgeIoak> did i do something wrong when I built my system or are these driver Makefiles not really correct?
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  • [04:18:00] <thurbad> do you have the right headers?
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  • [04:27:37] <thurbad> can you update the kernel headers through apt?
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  • [04:32:13] <tdh2002> hi everyone
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  • [04:46:24] <thurbad> meh.. too much coding and not enough maintenance, my Make file is out of sync w/ dependencies
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  • [05:05:39] <cweagans> is there a way that I can make the board autoboot countdown something other than 10 seconds? I'm thinking more like 1 second would be better.
  • [05:06:12] <mru> setenv bootdelay 1
  • [05:06:18] <mru> saveenv
  • [05:06:57] <cweagans> awesome! thanks!
  • [05:07:31] <cweagans> is there a reference for that stuff somewhere? Maybe a list of variable names that I can work with?
  • [05:07:47] <thurbad> printenv
  • [05:08:02] <thurbad> you can create your own variables as well
  • [05:08:28] <tdh2002> :-D
  • [05:08:37] <cweagans> awesome board is awesome.
  • [05:08:38] <cweagans> =D
  • [05:08:55] <mru> the source code is the best documentation
  • [05:09:29] <cweagans> I'd imagine probably so. Problem is, I don't have a lot of time to go through source code =P
  • [05:10:12] <cweagans> also, when booting Ubuntu on the beagleboard, I get this and the system pauses for a few seconds. Know of a good way to mitigate that problem? [ 147.539367] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x4033e000
  • [05:10:30] <cweagans> (that's the last message before the linux login prompt appears)
  • [05:12:44] <thurbad> might want to look into dmesg to see what the actual problem is.. if it's in the log
  • [05:17:58] <mru> there's nothing mapped at that adress
  • [05:19:03] <mru> which is what the message means, more or less
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  • [06:29:15] <jean85> hi all...
  • [06:30:25] <jean85> rcn-ee: u there???
  • [06:31:07] <rcn-ee> kinda.. ;)
  • [06:31:49] <jean85> i have installled new karmic 9.10 from ur blog
  • [06:32:09] <jean85> but am getting only commad line in the desktop
  • [06:33:03] <rcn-ee> yeap, the demo images are just command line based... planning a gui for the 10.04 release, for now you just need to apt-get what you need..
  • [06:38:41] <jean85> but i a have installed the basic image with xfce4
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  • [06:39:44] <jean85> rcn-ee: but i a have installed the basic image with xfce4
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  • [06:41:57] <rcn-ee> if you didn't install gdm, give "x-session-manager" a try on the command line
  • [06:44:13] <jean85> kk lemme check...
  • [06:44:41] <jean85> but i have installed asterisk and its working fine....
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  • [09:59:14] <mobidev> hi to all
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  • [10:21:41] <StevenC> g'morning...
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  • [13:26:36] <topi`> argh, what can be done to make git faster? a simple git-log -Sfoo from linux-omap-2.6 takes ages and ages...
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  • [15:22:32] <TypoError> Hi everyone. Just in the middle of switching to omap-pm branch for beagleboard. I'm not able to find the cpufreq subdir in /sys/
  • [15:22:56] <TypoError> am I supposed to install some user space tool, like cpufrequtils?
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  • [15:27:03] <janneg> TypoError: are you sure you have cpufreq activated in the kernel config
  • [15:27:37] <TypoError> yes
  • [15:27:37] <janneg> there should be /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
  • [15:27:48] <TypoError> I agree
  • [15:27:55] <TypoError> but there's' nothing!
  • [15:28:02] <TypoError> i'm working with angstrom
  • [15:28:18] <TypoError> and providded a custom .config for kernel 2.6.31
  • [15:28:44] <TypoError> cpufreq is also activated in default config i suppose
  • [15:28:48] <janneg> zcat /proc/config.gz| grep CPUFREQ
  • [15:29:25] <janneg> is there something cpufreq related in dmesg?
  • [15:29:30] <TypoError> no...
  • [15:29:41] <TypoError> looking for config, one sec
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  • [15:29:54] <TypoError> i've bb turned off, working on host machine...
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  • [15:31:04] <TypoError> janneg: CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y
  • [15:31:53] <TypoError> and default governor is ondemand
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  • [15:36:25] <TypoError> also runtime config.gz states that CPUFREQ is activated
  • [15:37:24] <TypoError> if you just confirm me that no user space tools are needed in order to use pm features then I'll investigate. Maybe is a bitbake related problem or something else
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  • [15:48:04] <janneg> TypoError: cpufreq doesn't need userspace activation
  • [15:51:11] <TypoError> thanks, i'll investigate!
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  • [16:13:24] <noway> how to find the 'boot.scr' file on my mmc while booting ,because in my case it doesnt find this file and it boot with the bootargs and bootcmd that i ve made before?
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  • [16:22:45] <noway> has anyone tried the debian in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian the boot stop in Uncompressing Linux............................................................. could any one help please?
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  • [16:51:34] <thurbad> noway it should find bootargs automatically on your boot partition
  • [16:51:50] <thurbad> err, boot.scr, not bootargs
  • [16:51:57] <thurbad> oops, he timed out
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  • [17:29:34] <likewise> gm
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  • [17:40:24] <thurbad> kinda off subject.. but seeing as no body is saying anything: does anyone know of a good tool for calculating header dependencies in C/C++?
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  • [18:07:42] <thurbad> noway, did you get your boot.scr problem straightened out?
  • [18:08:05] <noway> yes thanks it worked now
  • [18:09:14] <noway> thurbad : i use the usb otg to power my beagle (connected to my laptop) ,i need to use an ethernet adaptor where should i connect it?
  • [18:10:08] <noway> is it possible to use the other usb port?
  • [18:10:13] <thurbad> do you need ethernet? or can you get networking over the OTG going?
  • [18:11:12] <thurbad> by ethernet do you mean wireless USB?
  • [18:11:37] <thurbad> you should be able to use the other USB port if you have a recent enough Beagleboard
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  • [18:12:14] <thurbad> some of the B versions for instance had a non operational high speed USN
  • [18:12:22] <thurbad> *UDB
  • [18:12:38] <thurbad> .. I give up on spelling USB ~.~
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  • [18:14:22] <thurbad> but yeah. I do my networking over the OTG USB that's powering the board
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  • [18:16:30] <noeska> hello
  • [18:17:19] <noway> thurbad : yes wireless or rj45
  • [18:17:36] <noeska> are these intructions up to date? http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowtoUseSGXunderAngstrom or are there newer ogles2 drivers?
  • [18:18:20] <noway> thurbad : i have the c3
  • [18:19:03] <thurbad> ethernet you'll need either and adapter board, or USB to RJ45 adapter.. my experience w/ USB to RJ45 has been bad
  • [18:19:36] <muriani> I've had decent experience with USB-ethernet
  • [18:19:44] <thurbad> when I tried using the USB to RJ45 adapter my hub was continuously getting dropped
  • [18:19:55] <muriani> might try a different hub
  • [18:20:04] <muriani> I got some d-link USB2 hub, works great
  • [18:20:23] <thurbad> nah, the hub's fine... it's probably the adapter
  • [18:20:33] <muriani> possibly
  • [18:20:40] <thurbad> but I don't feel like spendingthe cash to test a bunch of options
  • [18:20:41] <muriani> my trendnet works like a champ
  • [18:20:48] <muriani> was pretty cheap too
  • [18:20:51] * thurbad has a trendnet
  • [18:21:00] <muriani> TU2-ET100
  • [18:21:17] <thurbad> I have the TU2-ET100C
  • [18:21:25] <noway> tell me please you use the a simple hub
  • [18:21:27] <noway> ?
  • [18:21:36] <thurbad> not sure what the difference is between those two
  • [18:21:47] <muriani> I use a basic USB2 powered hub, plugged into the EHCI port
  • [18:21:52] <noway> because there is some who get power
  • [18:21:59] <muriani> powered hub
  • [18:22:04] <thurbad> maybe it was the newer kernel that I was trying at the time
  • [18:22:06] <muriani> you neeeeed a powered hub
  • [18:22:23] <noway> waw so a simple hub didn t work?
  • [18:22:29] <muriani> the beagle will not provide enough power over its EHCI prt
  • [18:22:45] <thurbad> powered hub is a must if you want to plug anything in that uses a decent amount of power
  • [18:22:57] <noway> if i use a powr adopter for the otg usb ?
  • [18:23:21] <noway> i still need a power hub for the peripheral?
  • [18:23:37] <muriani> yes
  • [18:23:44] <muriani> if you're using a hub, it really needs to be powered
  • [18:23:49] <thurbad> depends on the peripheral.. but I'd say yes as a general rule to be safe
  • [18:23:51] <muriani> otherwise your peripherals may not work
  • [18:24:02] <noeska> i even needed a powered usb hub to use my keyboard ...
  • [18:24:16] <noway> how much costet that
  • [18:24:38] <noway> sorry for my germany speech
  • [18:24:40] <thurbad> you can get a cheap powered hub for under $20
  • [18:24:57] <muriani> yeah, they're really not that expensive
  • [18:25:05] <noway> good
  • [18:25:11] <noway> i hope i found one
  • [18:25:23] <thurbad> not that much more than an unpowered hub really
  • [18:26:35] <noeska> can you also power your beagleboard from the same powered hub?
  • [18:26:44] <thurbad> no
  • [18:27:21] <noway> thubad : you say that you do your networking with the otg , but how to do that
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  • [18:27:45] <thurbad> what is your host OS?
  • [18:28:05] <noway> because when i try to add usb0 it doesn t work (xubuntu)
  • [18:28:23] <thurbad> on the host side, or the beagle side?
  • [18:28:30] <noway> th ehost
  • [18:28:35] <noway> host
  • [18:29:17] <muriani> thurbad: I actually have powered my beagle from the same hub
  • [18:29:17] <thurbad> you need to modprobe cdc_ether and usbnet on the host and g_ether on the beagle to get usb0 to appear
  • [18:29:32] <muriani> i gather you're not really supposed to
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  • [18:29:55] <noway> thanks i will try
  • [18:30:03] <thurbad> muriani, really?I have the hub plugged in all the time without the beagle being on
  • [18:30:15] <muriani> it doesn't pwoered from the EHCI
  • [18:30:32] <thurbad> or are you using a second plug from the hub to the otg?
  • [18:30:33] <muriani> but if you plug a miniUSB cable from the hub into the OTG it'll power it
  • [18:30:44] <thurbad> ah.. yeah you could do that
  • [18:32:08] <thurbad> since I use the OTG for networking it doesn't save me anything to do it that way, but I can see how that would be nice for reducing components
  • [18:32:19] <muriani> yeah
  • [18:32:36] <muriani> I only had a single outlet available at the time, so I could only plug in the hub :P
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  • [18:33:03] <JDuke128> hi , is there any volume price of beagleboard for industrial applications ?
  • [18:33:08] <thurbad> lol, yeah I bought an external supply too.. could have saved that money for some other hardware :P
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  • [18:34:19] <JDuke128> 150$ is very expensive against intel atom
  • [18:34:42] <thurbad> JDuke128, beagle boards aren't really available in high quantities :/ but since it's an open design you could buy a knockoff or hire a factory to build them for you if the volume is high enough to justify it
  • [18:34:44] <JDuke128> there is no volume price of beagleboard ? someone know ?
  • [18:35:11] <JDuke128> waow
  • [18:35:31] <JDuke128> that really sucks
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  • [18:36:07] <thurbad> digikey is always running out of stock
  • [18:36:25] <noway> thurbad : on my host the command modeprobe doesn t work
  • [18:36:38] <thurbad> did you use sudo?
  • [18:36:46] <noway> yes
  • [18:36:51] <noway> command not found
  • [18:36:55] <thurbad> oh, and it's modprobe, not modeprobe
  • [18:37:10] <noway> ohhhhh
  • [18:37:13] <noway> lol
  • [18:38:11] <thurbad> and for the network forwarding, I use firestarter.. because I'm lazy and don't want to edit iptable
  • [18:39:04] <thurbad> also allows me to host servers and get around apparmor easily
  • [18:39:18] <noway> thubad : i get a warning sudo modprobe cdc_ether WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat, it will be ignored in a future release.
  • [18:39:59] <thurbad> that's fine.. in the event that it REALLY needs that to work someoen wil fix it up :P
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  • [18:41:43] <muriani> pfft, nobody uses oss anymore :P
  • [18:44:31] <thurbad> what is oss? I thought that was yet another failed audio system
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  • [18:47:06] <noway> thurbad , can i use an adaptor vga to dvi-d for agraphical display
  • [18:47:28] <muriani> no
  • [18:47:42] <thurbad> nope, the hdmi connector has digital only signal
  • [18:47:49] <noway> a monitor with dvi-d is very expensive ,is there another solution for a graphical diaplay
  • [18:47:50] <muriani> DVI-D does not carry the analog signals for VGA, hence the "d" designation
  • [18:47:56] <muriani> s-video
  • [18:48:16] <noway> but that require a tv
  • [18:48:21] <noway> i dont have one
  • [18:48:30] <muriani> also, you can get a VGA adapter board that attaches to the beagle, it costs about $30
  • [18:48:40] <muriani> I forget the URL though
  • [18:48:55] <muriani> I think it's on beagleboardtoys
  • [18:49:04] <noway> thanx
  • [18:51:19] <thurbad> nice thing about working with hardware. getting to write off the gadgets you have to get to support it :P
  • [18:51:53] <muriani> heh
  • [18:52:15] <muriani> my work with the beagle is purely personal :p
  • [18:52:26] <muriani> hobbyist
  • [18:52:49] <noway> lol
  • [18:52:58] <thurbad> yeah the beagleboard seems to be more aimed at hobbyists
  • [18:53:04] <muriani> yeah
  • [18:53:21] <muriani> there's a suprising number of commercial prototyping done with it though
  • [18:53:31] <noway> i worked on beagleboard for my project in the university
  • [18:53:49] <muriani> but it's mainly developed and priced to be accessible to the hobbyist market
  • [18:53:55] <thurbad> we had to hire a factory to meet the volume we need, but I'm prototyping on an actual beagle
  • [18:53:57] <muriani> For which I'm grateful :)
  • [18:54:05] <muriani> right
  • [18:54:31] <muriani> prototype on a beagle, and then have your own omap3 boards built
  • [18:54:58] <noway> muriami & thurbad are you student ?
  • [18:55:09] <thurbad> we're also changing some stuff in the design.. so I hope the app works when we get the actual hardware ~.~
  • [18:55:22] <thurbad> not anymore :P
  • [18:55:36] <muriani> I'm not
  • [18:55:38] <noway> :)
  • [18:55:44] <muriani> I'm no9
  • [18:55:47] <muriani> erf
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  • [18:56:10] <thurbad> oh, and they want me to write drivers for the stuff that is changing, but don't have any actual hardware to test against :/
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  • [18:56:37] <muriani> gah
  • [18:56:55] <flaco> hi all... someone could install the demo image created by felipe contreras??http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/new-project-gst-dsp-with-beagleboard-demo-image/
  • [18:57:45] <thurbad> nope, but the latest angstrom demo has working gst/dsp
  • [18:57:54] <thurbad> I have tried that
  • [18:58:20] <felipec> flaco: I could :)
  • [18:58:31] <thurbad> lol
  • [18:58:42] <flaco> I install the lasted angstrom image and I could run gstreamer, mplayer works correctly
  • [18:58:49] <flaco> felipe.. eres de concepcion?
  • [18:59:14] <flaco> ... could not run gstreamer ..
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  • [19:06:24] <noway> thurbad : have you tried debian on beagle
  • [19:07:19] <felipec> flaco: nope, Mexico
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  • [19:08:53] <thurbad> nope
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  • [19:40:37] <Smee_> anybody available to chat about "mmc init -> mmc card not found" ?
  • [19:42:09] <noway> you have a card in the beagle
  • [19:42:11] <noway> ?
  • [19:44:43] <Smee_> yes. I purchased a duracell DU-SD-2048-C card, formatted it using the HP utility usinf fat32, then the toshiba sd utility for fat and finally the windows mmc for fat32 again. installed into beagleboard each time and it wont recognize the card
  • [19:46:51] <eFfeM1> i have some cards taht are not recognized, apparently they are not really good cards. they work in a usb sdhc card reader, but not in devices with direct sdhc (like beagle and sheevaplug)
  • [19:49:49] <Smee_> I dont have much expertise on sd cards. I understand the beagleboard has an 8bit port for mmc, do sd cards support SPI, 1bit and 4bit natively or does it differ depending on the card?
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  • [19:53:56] <Smee_> I suppose since the host supports different modes that suggest different card interfaces exist. Is there a sd card that you had good luck with?
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  • [19:56:31] <thurbad> what class is the SDHC card you have?
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  • [19:56:44] <thurbad> I think beagle only supports up to class 6
  • [19:57:18] <Smee_> This card is ony 2G. not high capacity
  • [19:57:28] <thurbad> ah
  • [19:57:45] <thurbad> do you have any other cards to test?
  • [19:58:04] <eFfeM1> hm
  • [19:58:11] <_av500_> class is about speed, that should not matter
  • [19:58:22] <Smee_> not yet
  • [19:58:48] <thurbad> also did you set the heads/cylinders the way that beagle want them? not sure that matters, but I always do that first
  • [19:59:50] <thurbad> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#SD_card_setup
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  • [20:01:00] <thurbad> not sure if you can do similar in windows natively
  • [20:01:18] <smee__> Not sure how to do that in windows
  • [20:02:00] <noway> smee try this in your host : sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 / press x /press h / press 255/press s /press 63 /press c/ press 239/press r/press w
  • [20:02:09] <_av500_> head/cyls is essential for booting from sd
  • [20:02:09] <thurbad> he's using windows
  • [20:05:56] <thurbad> you could download a linux live cd and boot from that to fdisk the SD.. but that seems like overkill... there should be a windows utility for doing the same thing
  • [20:06:30] <smee__> I have a ubuntu machine build but I dont have a card reader. I think I will go shopping and pick up a nother SD card and a USB media reader
  • [20:07:11] <noway> have any one tested debian on beagleboard wih this tuto http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [20:07:17] <thurbad> it's more likely the heads/cylinders than the media itself
  • [20:07:40] <_av500_> heads and cyls can be set with a hexeditor
  • [20:07:43] <Ceriand|desktop> you should be able to init the mmc card regardless of what's on there
  • [20:08:13] <_av500_> err, init mmc is uboot, so you ar past the boot
  • [20:08:28] <noway> thurbad : could you please take a look at this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [20:08:31] <_av500_> so not head and cyls issue
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  • [20:09:11] <smee__> I'm booting from flash with the uboot that shipped with the beagle board
  • [20:09:17] <thurbad> not if it's using the uboot on the nand because it didn't recognize
  • [20:09:25] <thurbad> the mmc in the first place
  • [20:10:17] <thurbad> noway, what about ti?
  • [20:10:34] <thurbad> *it
  • [20:10:56] <noway> in this part : Beagleboard: netinstall
  • [20:11:21] <smee__> if I booot from MMC, how would the beagleboard act if I then tried to mmc init?
  • [20:12:15] <thurbad> if you boot from mmc it should do the mmcinit for you
  • [20:12:45] <noway> i ve choose the language and i make the network configuration manually but then i get Choose a mirror of the Debian archive
  • [20:12:52] <smee__> that wasn't the question. how would it ack if you re-init the mmc?
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  • [20:13:30] <thurbad> why would you do that? just stick the card in and see what happens :P
  • [20:13:39] <noway> and then i have to choose a link for a mirror and they doesn t work
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  • [20:14:37] <noway> in the tuto that i give you its link there is some thing else
  • [20:14:48] <noway> after the network configuration
  • [20:15:41] <thurbad> have you got working network already?
  • [20:16:11] <noway> yes i think so ,other thing i haven t understand why they reinstall the kernel uiMAGE IN THIS PART Beagleboard: install kernel-imag
  • [20:17:32] <thurbad> probably because the kernel to download the installation stuff is too minimal for real use
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  • [20:17:59] <thurbad> that's just a guess though
  • [20:18:06] <hrw> morning
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  • [20:21:17] <noway> any one who tried debian ?
  • [20:21:36] <thurbad> how are you connecting the network?
  • [20:23:02] <thurbad> there's a couple of step you have to do on the host after usb0 has been initialized on the beagle
  • [20:23:38] <thurbad> if you're using usb0/ OTG
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  • [20:24:09] <eFfeM1> noway: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [20:24:52] <eFfeM1> ah ok, you already have that one, didn't follow the conversation, sry
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  • [20:25:57] <noway> thanx eFfeM1 : but if you have read this tuto could you please tell me what s for : wget http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/lenny/v2.6.32.6-x6.2/install-me.sh sudo /bin/bash install-me.sh
  • [20:26:03] <noway> ?
  • [20:26:29] <thurbad> wget downloads files from an http/ftp server
  • [20:26:44] <noway> yes but why they do that
  • [20:27:03] <thurbad> it's an installation script
  • [20:27:17] <eFfeM1> it is a script, the next step (sudo /bin/bash install-me.sh) executes the script
  • [20:27:30] <eFfeM1> you can just view the script in an editor or on the web
  • [20:27:45] <noway> yes but why to do that
  • [20:28:19] <eFfeM1> it downloads and installs the kernel
  • [20:28:27] <thurbad> because you don't want to have to type in every command inside the script manually?
  • [20:28:49] <eFfeM1> no idea why it is done that wayy, perhaps because the uImage file needs to be in a fat partition
  • [20:28:50] <thurbad> scritps are just time savers
  • [20:28:59] <eFfeM1> ask rcn when he is online
  • [20:29:29] <noway> thurbad : is it possible to use an ethernet adaptor or wireless connected tp the usb peripheral (as i tols you before i use the otg for power)
  • [20:30:11] <noway> i will use it with no other pripheral (not need for the hub)
  • [20:30:13] <thurbad> sure, but you need the right hardware for that
  • [20:30:36] <noway> how to be sure
  • [20:30:44] <thurbad> not every usb wireless works
  • [20:31:18] <noway> i have one i buy it with my router
  • [20:31:37] <thurbad> in fact I've got a usb wireless stick that is plug and play in ubuntu but not angstrom
  • [20:31:56] <noway> the one i have work on ubuntu
  • [20:32:20] <noway> am very tired
  • [20:33:02] <noway> the tuto for debian is not very clear
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  • [20:39:39] <noway> thurbad : what means the Wireless ESSID for wlan0:
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  • [20:40:30] <thurbad> the "name" of the access point
  • [20:41:30] <thurbad> so whatever your router is named when you scan for wireless networks is what you want to use
  • [20:41:45] <noway> so the name
  • [20:41:51] <thurbad> yup
  • [20:42:05] <noway> that i get when i ve been conncted to my wifi
  • [20:42:08] <noway> ?
  • [20:43:35] <thurbad> if you're using network manager on your desktop just hover over the icon and it should have the name in double quotation marks
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  • [20:43:44] <thurbad> .. or single
  • [20:44:23] <thurbad> gotta make a store run... getting hungry here, back in a few
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  • [20:54:19] <noway> yann361 : i want to connect my wireless is that possible from the peripheral usb ( i power my beagle with otg) i want to be sure because i can t do that
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  • [20:59:01] <flaco> I got a usb dlink dwa-110 working in agstrom...
  • [20:59:29] <flaco> just was plug-in the adapter...
  • [21:00:00] <yann361> got a ralink driver based usb (2.0) dongle work well with a buildroot based rootfs
  • [21:01:19] <yann361> the limitation will be the current delivered by the usb peripheral may be
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  • [21:06:23] <muriani> I'm expecting my zd1211rw-based dongle will work, given the firmware is provided
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  • [21:07:33] <muriani> haven't had a chance to really try it on the beagle yet though, I normally use it for my laptop :P
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  • [21:24:59] <noway> my i boot on the debainkernel it asks me for the configuration to choose between usb0 or wireless wlan0 (is that mean taht my dongle work with the beagle ?)
  • [21:25:20] <noway> when i boot
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  • [21:31:14] <noway> flaco | yann361 when i boot on the debian kernel it begin with detecting network hardware then i get to choose between usb0 or wireless wlan0 (is that mean taht my dongle work with the beagle ?) if yes ,why after that when i choose wlan0 ( i get "Attempting to find an available wireless network failed" and ask me to give my ESSID then my wep after that i get nothing a dhcp research begin and failed and i get the first menu
  • [21:31:47] <yann361> yes
  • [21:32:35] <noway> yann361 : but why i get the "Attempting to find an available wireless network failed"
  • [21:33:12] <yann361> don't know may be you forgot something in your kernel configuration
  • [21:33:43] <noway> i get the kernel from the http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [21:34:13] <yann361> never use it can't help you, don't have my beagle here
  • [21:35:14] <noway> yann361 : why not
  • [21:35:52] <yann361> going to bed sorry
  • [21:36:06] <noway> yann361 : you ve used before
  • [21:36:20] <noway> ?
  • [21:37:05] <noway> so have you any link or tuto helping to install debian for beagleboard ?
  • [21:37:09] <yann361> use my beagle with kernel defconfig ( i add wireless support and other ) and a buildroot rootfs. never use debian with beagleboard
  • [21:37:41] <noway> yuo think so ?
  • [21:37:53] <muriani> noway: scanning may not work for some reason, it doesn't work on my laptop with my USB dongle either
  • [21:37:58] <muriani> I have to specify the ESSID
  • [21:38:10] <muriani> (running Debian here on the lappy)
  • [21:38:30] <yann361> good evening everybody
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  • [21:38:51] <noway> the ESSID its the name of the wireless
  • [21:38:58] <noway> and for the WEP ?
  • [21:39:07] <noway> i give the password ?
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  • [23:16:11] <thurbad> WEP is a wireless encryption model, just type your key
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  • [23:17:31] <thurbad> if it knows that it's wep, your wireless hardware is probably working
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  • [23:34:37] <torusle> meh - no motivation to code anything.
  • [23:34:44] <torusle> see ya..
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