• [00:00:16] <rcn-ee> okay found it...
  • [00:00:38] <rcn-ee> noway, next time you should really link to the document your reading which links to a random downloaded file fromteh net...
  • [00:01:00] <rcn-ee> that zimage will not work on the omap, it's built for the ARM versatile boards or even qemu emulation...
  • [00:01:37] <noway> thanks ren-ee you are the best
  • [00:02:37] <rcn-ee> free-electrons has a lot of good guides, some are more arm general then beagle specific.. this one is pretty good: http://free-electrons.com/blog/beagle-labs/
  • [00:03:43] <noway> yes this the one that i m using
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  • [00:05:43] <noway> rcn-ee : for the partition of the nand flash i use to do : fatload mmc 0:1 80000000 and then the location and the size after that nand write
  • [00:06:30] <noway> is that true?
  • [00:06:59] <rcn-ee> yeah, usually use fatload to stick it a ram spot
  • [00:07:07] <rcn-ee> then erase a bank of nand
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  • [00:07:18] <rcn-ee> then write from ram to a bank of nand..
  • [00:07:22] <noway> thats what i ve do
  • [00:07:40] <noway> but how i can boot from the nand
  • [00:07:47] <noway> no boot
  • [00:07:59] <noway> but if i want to use a rootfile system
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  • [00:08:45] <rcn-ee> i would tweak the boot.scr script to copy your uImage from nand to ram, then boot as usual, instead of fatloading from an sd card..
  • [00:09:24] <rcn-ee> boot.scr script, or hard code in nand with setenv/savenv is up to you..
  • [00:12:09] <noway> rcn-ee : could you please get at look at this http://free-electrons.com/doc/training/beagle/source/filesystems-labs-beagle.odt
  • [00:12:36] <rcn-ee> it's loading, what page you lookin at.
  • [00:13:06] <noway> this title Filesystems ??? Flash file systems page 5
  • [00:13:46] <rcn-ee> yeap..
  • [00:13:50] <rcn-ee> what's you question?
  • [00:14:14] <noway> after making a squashfs file system
  • [00:14:57] <noway> and a jffs2 file system
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  • [00:15:24] <noway> we want to put them on mtd partition
  • [00:16:30] <noway> Using the fatload command, download and flash the SquashFS image at the beginning of the erased flash area. Using the fatload command, download and flash the JFFS2 image at the first MiB boundary following the end of the SquashFS image in flash.
  • [00:17:12] <noway> after that how to Set the bootargs variable so that you define 3 MTD partitions
  • [00:17:19] <rcn-ee> sure, just segment them the way you want after 0x680000 ..
  • [00:17:33] <noway> yes i ve do that
  • [00:18:47] <noway> but how to set the bootargs i ve try with this : console=ttyS2,115200n mtdparts=nand:6656k(kernel)ro,576k(squashfs)ro,-(data) root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=squashfs rootdelay=10
  • [00:19:46] <noway> i use root=/dev/mtdblock2 but i wonder what mtdblock doesnt figure any way
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  • [00:20:12] <noway> i thought when i do that it will be in the second partition of the nand
  • [00:20:52] <noway> rcn-ee : mtblock2 !!
  • [00:21:54] <rcn-ee> what does mtdparts say in u-boot?
  • [00:22:22] <noway> i doesnt make a partition in u-boot
  • [00:22:30] <noway> it stille the default one
  • [00:22:46] <rcn-ee> did you saveenv?
  • [00:22:47] <noway> no the one that i want to make it
  • [00:22:58] <noway> yes
  • [00:23:04] <noway> i do saveenv
  • [00:23:07] <rcn-ee> ok
  • [00:23:31] <noway> i tried to to do mtdparts add to repartition the nand
  • [00:23:39] <noway> but it doesnt work
  • [00:25:41] <noway> i have to do the mtparts partiton from the u-boot
  • [00:25:42] <noway> ?
  • [00:25:50] <rcn-ee> humm, I'm not sure... i would really post the question to the beagleboard group, i usually stick large harddrives on the usb port.. ;)
  • [00:26:03] <thurbad> did you modify bootargs, or one of the other args?
  • [00:26:25] <thurbad> bootargs gets regenerated based on other environment variables
  • [00:26:38] <noway> yes
  • [00:27:09] <thurbad> so you can't save bootargs directly :/
  • [00:28:06] <noway> i ve modified not the bootargs but this args nandroot=/dev/mtdblock4 rw to nandroot=/dev/mtdblock2 ro
  • [00:28:37] <noway> my bootargs is onsole=ttyS2,115200n mtdparts=nand:6656k(kernel)ro,576k(squashfs)ro,-(data) root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=squashfs rootdelay=10
  • [00:29:23] <thurbad> silly question... are you booting w an SD inserted?
  • [00:29:32] <noway> no
  • [00:29:40] <thurbad> (just making sure)
  • [00:29:45] <noway> yes
  • [00:29:59] <noway> i understand you
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  • [00:30:45] <thurbad> if you boot directly after setting the args in uboot, with out cycling power, does it work?
  • [00:31:35] <noway> when i tape mtdparts default i get mtdparts: mtdparts=nand:512k(x-loader),1920k(u-boot),128k(u-boot-env),4m(kernel),-(fs)
  • [00:31:52] <noway> no i use onlu the otg for power
  • [00:32:14] <noway> so i think i have to change this partition
  • [00:32:36] <noway> to the one figured in my bootargs ?
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  • [06:11:54] <levi> Hey, has anyone here played with the latest Angstrom demo?
  • [06:12:22] <levi> I've got it running on my beagleboard, but I'm having a hard time getting a video resolution other than 640x480.
  • [06:14:13] <levi> Nevermind, I think I just figured out the right way to do the kernel args.
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  • [06:25:36] <mobidev> hi to all
  • [06:30:55] <levi> Hi.
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  • [06:33:14] <DanaG> interesting.. XM has SMSC LAN9514 -- are the GPIO pins exposed?
  • [06:33:19] <DanaG> It would be cool to make them exposed.
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  • [06:54:07] <whatnick> woot beagle board channel ..
  • [06:54:18] <whatnick> everything seems out of stock .. where can I get 1 ?
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  • [07:07:12] <whatnick> hi people .. no body about ?
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  • [07:35:55] <_av500_> no
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  • [07:36:21] <whatnick> hehe
  • [07:36:23] <_av500_> new bbs are shipped every week
  • [07:36:31] <_av500_> so order and wait
  • [07:36:35] <whatnick> just as there are no bbs around ..
  • [07:36:50] <whatnick> nice i can order one at sparkfun then ..
  • [07:36:55] <whatnick> or digi ..
  • [07:37:13] <_av500_> yes
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  • [07:39:58] <whatnick> digi ordering now .. spark only lets me add it to wishlist
  • [07:40:19] <whatnick> should make this weekly batching policy obvious somewhere ..
  • [07:42:15] <_av500_> dk does not grok the batches, so it is always out of stock :)
  • [07:49:29] <whatnick> i am coming from gumstix world .. beagle seems cheap :)
  • [07:49:38] <whatnick> gumstix is tinier though
  • [07:49:48] <whatnick> but the gumstix shipping is $60 :(
  • [07:49:57] <whatnick> bad bad fro hobbyist
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  • [07:52:17] <_av500_> poor u
  • [07:52:22] <DanaG> weird... reference u-boot doesn't have mpuspeed
  • [07:52:30] <DanaG> "reference" being u-boot-revc4.bin
  • [07:52:36] <DanaG> what is "mpu", anyway?
  • [07:52:59] <_av500_> cpu
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  • [07:57:18] <whatnick> _av500_: i am poor student don't snigger :(
  • [07:57:40] <whatnick> the hawkboard is selling for $79 but I can't figure out how to order one
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  • [07:59:35] <DanaG> wow, "quiet" cuts beagle boot time in half.
  • [07:59:45] <eFfeM1> whatnick: it is not that difficult
  • [07:59:47] <DanaG> or at least, 19 seconds versus 30.
  • [08:00:26] <DanaG> er, 16, not 19.
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  • [08:02:51] <shree> hi, for the gprs modem to connect to the beagle board how to add rild program to the android os? and how to install it in the beagle board? please tell me sir
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  • [08:04:56] <whatnick> eFfeM1: well the shopping cart site left me befuddled and getting stuff to australia is a pain ...
  • [08:05:09] <whatnick> so I got a beagle instead .. $30 shipping I can live with
  • [08:09:43] <eFfeM1> whatnick: didn't know you were in .au actually now i recall a collegue had a problem getting his credit card accepted
  • [08:09:55] <eFfeM1> but i think there are nowadays a few other distributors too
  • [08:11:14] <whatnick> for beagle ?
  • [08:12:36] <shree> sir tell me sir
  • [08:13:03] <shree> For the gprs modem to connect to the beagle board how to add rild program to the android os? and how to install it in the beagle board?
  • [08:14:35] <whatnick> doh ...
  • [08:14:51] <vyas021> hi to all
  • [08:14:52] * whatnick can't stand respect ..
  • [08:15:25] <vyas021> any body have some idea about GSOC?
  • [08:16:14] <whatnick> http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel/browse_thread/thread/8f8f1540e0f7dec9
  • [08:19:46] <shree> please tell me sir
  • [08:22:56] <whatnick> shree link above discusses rild
  • [08:23:59] <shree> when i port android os on beagle board there is no command will come then how i install rild library with the commands
  • [08:26:19] <shree> tell me sir
  • [08:27:08] <shree> there is minicom terminel in android os then how i install rild library
  • [08:29:37] <shree> there is no minicom terminel in android os then how i install rild library
  • [08:29:45] <vyas021> any boddy plz me helping out from beagle board GSOC ?
  • [08:29:47] <shree> tell me sir
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  • [08:52:32] <shree> when android os is ported on the beagle board how i install rild when there is minicom terminal
  • [08:58:06] <whatnick> give us ssh access to your beagle board and we will install rild :)
  • [08:58:28] <whatnick> start up networking and pass the binaries over nfs or something
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  • [09:07:13] <shree> gprs
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  • [09:19:34] <StevenC> 'morning...
  • [09:20:19] <StevenC> !logs
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  • [10:39:15] <cemkadir86> hi all , who is help me for omap3530 spi design with aptina image sensor ?
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  • [11:08:02] <bobbens> since GSoC project list mentions possible mentors, who's the best to get in contact with, just any of them or is there some sort of organizer behind it all?
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  • [11:09:56] <StevenC> bobbens: you could go to the project's IRC channel and launch any questions you might have about a specific thing there
  • [11:10:35] <bobbens> I don't believe that one has an irc channel :)
  • [11:10:44] <bobbens> just listed under beagle, so I thought I'd ask here :)
  • [11:11:06] <StevenC> looking for the beagle project?
  • [11:11:22] <bobbens> signal processing on the dsp
  • [11:11:34] <StevenC> beagle channel is #beagle ;)
  • [11:11:37] <bobbens> this is #beagle
  • [11:11:51] <StevenC> woops, srry, thought I was in #gsoc :p
  • [11:11:55] <bobbens> I had that feeling :)
  • [11:12:06] <StevenC> :D
  • [11:12:13] <StevenC> sooooorry
  • [11:12:40] <bobbens> you made me look at the channel name like a dozen times to see if I was clinically insane :)
  • [11:12:49] <StevenC> I had the feeling yesterday that jkridner is the main admin for this
  • [11:13:03] <StevenC> he is the one who got me the most on track anyway
  • [11:13:19] <bobbens> problem with beagle, is that I'm interested in at least half a dozen of the projects :P
  • [11:13:33] <StevenC> I know the feeling ;)
  • [11:13:54] <bobbens> and since I was planning to get an OMAP3530 board anyway, this just motivates me more :P
  • [11:14:05] <StevenC> :D
  • [11:15:17] <bobbens> this year there's many cool orgs and projects
  • [11:15:20] <bobbens> I'm quite happy :)
  • [11:15:52] <StevenC> yeah, there are, but my main interest is in hardware, so that limits the choice really :)
  • [11:16:48] <bobbens> my main interests are non-linear MIMO control (advanced techinques) and digital signal processing :)
  • [11:16:58] <bobbens> and there's some stuff this year, so it's cool
  • [11:17:09] <bobbens> last year it felt like it was mainly web computer science student oriented
  • [11:17:34] <StevenC> it was, which was why I never applied to join...
  • [11:17:40] <bobbens> I did :)
  • [11:17:43] <StevenC> web development is just so monotonous
  • [11:17:53] <bobbens> I ended up writing automated test suite for SDL
  • [11:17:53] <StevenC> for me, anyway
  • [11:17:59] <bobbens> which wasn't nearly as fun as the year before
  • [11:18:09] <bobbens> which I managed to do haptic API for SDL :)
  • [11:18:17] <bobbens> that was fun
  • [11:18:27] <bobbens> except for the windows / mac os x stuff
  • [11:18:35] <StevenC> :D
  • [11:18:43] <StevenC> an experienced GSoC'er then :)
  • [11:18:48] <bobbens> somewhat
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  • [11:20:51] <StevenC> you mind me asking what SDL is about?
  • [11:21:20] <bobbens> simple directmedia layer, it's basically an API for accessing hw in a crossplatform way
  • [11:21:24] <bobbens> mainly oriented for video games
  • [11:21:27] <StevenC> something with user I/O clearly if you've coded haptic feedback for it
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  • [11:21:50] <StevenC> ah k, joysticks and gamepads and the likes
  • [11:23:04] <bobbens> well I like man-machine interface stuff too
  • [11:23:08] <bobbens> I like too many things :P
  • [11:23:17] <bobbens> but I'm starting to specialize more in control theory and the likes
  • [11:23:25] <bobbens> so I thought I should take more "serious" projects this year :P
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  • [11:24:40] <StevenC> :)
  • [11:24:59] <StevenC> I think I'm going to work out something based off the Sense idea
  • [11:25:54] <bobbens> I might apply to all the dsp/sensor ones if I have time to write up all the proposals :)
  • [11:26:21] <StevenC> heh, nice to meet the competition then :)
  • [11:27:22] <bobbens> I'll probably push more seriously for the dsp ones, but it's always good to get in touch with everything :)
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  • [11:29:12] <StevenC> I heard each student can apply for 20 projects max., so no problem eh ;)
  • [11:29:21] <bobbens> 20 is overkill
  • [11:29:26] <StevenC> it is, I agree
  • [11:29:27] <bobbens> first year I applied to 1
  • [11:29:41] <bobbens> second year to 2 (although I found out afterwards one of my projects I applied to was given beforehand)
  • [11:29:52] <bobbens> writing a good proposal takes a lot of time, not that easy to do
  • [11:29:59] <bobbens> you'd basically need to write proposals fulltime to do 20 :P
  • [11:30:13] <StevenC> given beforehand by the admin to someone he knew, or something like that?
  • [11:30:16] <bobbens> yeah
  • [11:30:24] <StevenC> that sucks
  • [11:30:28] <bobbens> some dude was already working on it
  • [11:30:40] <bobbens> and the project was basically a way to get him paid for the work he was doing
  • [11:31:06] <StevenC> I know that there is one initiative around where I am, and two years ago they got selected
  • [11:31:27] <bobbens> there's more situations like that, hope there isn't the same with the projects I'm applying to this year :)
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  • [11:31:50] <StevenC> I sincerely hope that too
  • [11:32:08] <StevenC> although for Beagle it shouldn't be a problem, seeing that it is mainly TI-influenced
  • [11:32:33] <bobbens> well I'm motivated
  • [11:32:59] <bobbens> doing soo much networking these days too because I have to find some mentor for my "bachelor+master"'s thesis
  • [11:33:05] <bobbens> more won't hurt :P
  • [11:33:25] <StevenC> what are you studying?
  • [11:33:36] <bobbens> superior industrial engineering specialized in automation
  • [11:33:39] <bobbens> it's a 5 year program
  • [11:33:44] <bobbens> like a bachelor+master equivalent
  • [11:34:33] <StevenC> and where? :)
  • [11:34:44] <bobbens> barcelona (UPC-ETSEIB)
  • [11:34:54] <bobbens> it's an ok program
  • [11:34:56] <bobbens> you learn about everything
  • [11:35:20] <bobbens> structural analysis, thermodynamics, heat transfer, control theory, fluid dynamics, electronics, etc...
  • [11:36:26] <StevenC> :)
  • [11:36:45] <StevenC> I know that our school has an erasmus agreement with valencia
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  • [11:36:53] <StevenC> not sure about barca though
  • [11:36:59] <bobbens> well I failed to get an erasmus slot this year
  • [11:37:08] <bobbens> because my academic grades are weak and they don't look at CV
  • [11:37:14] <bobbens> I'm horrible at doing tests
  • [11:37:28] <bobbens> so I tend to know more then people who get much better grades then me :P
  • [11:37:45] <bobbens> but I want to go out to do a master and/or phd afterwards
  • [11:37:48] <bobbens> what university are you in?
  • [11:38:39] <StevenC> college... KAHO Sint-Lieven at Gent, Belgium
  • [11:39:06] <StevenC> but I'm thinking about going after a university degree after college
  • [11:39:11] <bobbens> ah, didn't really look at belgium due to language stuff
  • [11:39:20] <bobbens> my german/french are really weak
  • [11:39:27] <StevenC> after all, the Bologna agreement has opened up all those opportunities
  • [11:39:50] <bobbens> bologna has some good stuff and some bad stuff
  • [11:39:56] <bobbens> the mobility is great
  • [11:40:06] <bobbens> but some of the pregrad teaching methods don't make too much sense
  • [11:40:25] <StevenC> could you talk some more specifics?
  • [11:41:26] <bobbens> the entire "tiny group based, hands on knowledge" approach, isn't really applyable to the spanish system, and doesn't really make sense in quite a few classes
  • [11:41:40] <bobbens> plus the idea of making assistance obligatory, and giving homework all day is a bit silly
  • [11:42:15] <bobbens> but this is getting off topic :P
  • [11:42:43] <StevenC> well, I don't mind, but not sure about the other people in here :)
  • [11:48:41] <whatnick> hehe
  • [11:48:48] <whatnick> i lot of people using beagle are students
  • [11:49:00] <bobbens> I'm not using one yet, have plans to
  • [11:49:07] <whatnick> so i don't think talking about study experience is off topic
  • [11:49:07] <bobbens> and preordered an openpandora
  • [11:49:13] <bobbens> which is more or less a beagleboard :P
  • [11:49:21] <bobbens> but that's been delayed constantly
  • [11:50:45] <StevenC> what's the name of that other open-source handheld gaming device again?
  • [11:50:52] <bobbens> gp32x?
  • [11:51:16] <StevenC> yeah, thanks
  • [11:51:24] <bobbens> specs are much worse then openpandora :)
  • [11:52:04] <StevenC> i know, just wondering what the name was ;)
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  • [11:55:12] <StevenC> do you have any ETA about the pandora? :)
  • [11:55:21] <StevenC> sure looks like an interesting device
  • [11:57:01] <bobbens> the official ETA was over a year ago
  • [11:57:04] <bobbens> it's been delayed constantly :P
  • [11:57:55] <StevenC> I see... :P
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  • [12:08:28] <bobbens> StevenC: so you studying electrical engineering or something like that?
  • [12:09:18] <StevenC> it's called electronics engineering over here
  • [12:09:31] <StevenC> but yeah, that's my study
  • [12:09:52] <bobbens> thought so, being soo focused on hw :P
  • [12:10:05] <StevenC> ;)
  • [12:10:31] <StevenC> good, well-thought out hardware greatly simplifies the software work afterwards :)
  • [12:10:53] <StevenC> so I think it's worth focussing on :)
  • [12:10:55] <bobbens> software is usually there to cover up the mistakes in hw :P
  • [12:11:24] <StevenC> not entirely, you still need the "glue" software to make the hardware work
  • [12:11:56] <StevenC> but that's also a possible point for a major fuck-up
  • [12:12:00] <bobbens> well usually, it's easier to use digital MCU then make everything analogue :)
  • [12:12:07] <bobbens> and plus, software is easier to fix then hw :)
  • [12:12:24] <StevenC> can't tell how many times I've seen Nokia software either BSOD'ing or resource hogging...
  • [12:12:34] <StevenC> yeah, it is
  • [12:13:03] <bobbens> complicated hw is also pretty damn hard to do right :)
  • [12:13:16] <StevenC> I still remember how I've struggled with analog circuits :)
  • [12:13:26] <StevenC> pure analog, that is
  • [12:13:35] <bobbens> the last motor control board I've done (first revision) I had to short some shunts because of design flaws :P
  • [12:13:46] <bobbens> I don't like analogue, it's too scary :P
  • [12:13:56] <bobbens> I'll use operational amplifiers and that's about it :P
  • [12:14:04] <StevenC> short out shunts, you sure that was the right way to go? :P
  • [12:14:35] <bobbens> yes, the operational amplfiers I put in for the shunts had a pin unconnected :P
  • [12:14:47] <StevenC> ah :p
  • [12:14:54] <bobbens> so instead of using a shurt + op amp that won't work, I just soldered a short :P
  • [12:15:01] <bobbens> but the board works, just finished coding it now
  • [12:15:10] <bobbens> it does electronic speed control with encoder feedback
  • [12:15:13] <bobbens> it's pretty awesome :P
  • [12:15:22] <bobbens> and breaks all the hypothesis of control theory
  • [12:15:31] <StevenC> ?
  • [12:16:02] <bobbens> you know how with encoders you usually do dx/dt? as in "encoder ticks per fixed period of time"?
  • [12:16:27] <StevenC> yeah
  • [12:16:32] <bobbens> well if I did that, I did numbers and the control would be at 0.1 Hz, which is totally unacceptable and probably unstable
  • [12:16:37] <bobbens> so I inverted it and did dt/dx
  • [12:16:44] <bobbens> but that means the feedback sampling time is non-constant
  • [12:16:46] <bobbens> and non-linear :P
  • [12:16:53] <bobbens> so I linearize it, but it's still non-constant
  • [12:17:04] <bobbens> and that breaks one of the fundamental rules of control theory
  • [12:17:07] <bobbens> but hey, it works :P
  • [12:17:17] <StevenC> :P
  • [12:17:27] <StevenC> congrats on breaking a theory :P
  • [12:17:38] <bobbens> well, I'm not breaking it
  • [12:17:52] <bobbens> but I can't really study it properly
  • [12:17:54] <StevenC> just looking where it fits in then? :)
  • [12:18:11] <bobbens> so with the "simulated" PI parametrers
  • [12:18:14] <bobbens> it's completely unstable
  • [12:18:17] <bobbens> while it's stable in real life :P
  • [12:18:33] <bobbens> and with "perfect" simulated parameters, it's totally unstable in real life :P
  • [12:18:46] <bobbens> I'm pretty happy with it
  • [12:18:46] <StevenC> :P
  • [12:19:01] <bobbens> http://bobbens.dyndns.org/files/LACE/hbridge.ogv
  • [12:19:05] <bobbens> ^ that's one of the tests I did :P
  • [12:19:36] <StevenC> so essentially, you're now counting the time it takes to advance one step on the encoder, instead of counting the encoder pulses per time unit?
  • [12:19:51] <bobbens> yes :)
  • [12:20:02] <bobbens> I should see if I can write a paper on it
  • [12:20:04] <bobbens> after studying it more
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  • [12:21:15] <StevenC> what's the board on top of the bot?
  • [12:21:28] <bobbens> http://bobbens.dyndns.org/files/LACE/LACE_spread.JPG
  • [12:21:32] <bobbens> boards I designed
  • [12:21:42] <bobbens> it's basically a slotted modular design
  • [12:22:43] <StevenC> apparently, yes
  • [12:22:51] <StevenC> which micro have you used?
  • [12:23:00] <StevenC> I'm guessing some kind of AVR?
  • [12:23:01] <bobbens> atmega324 on the main board
  • [12:23:05] <bobbens> atmega168p on the motor controller
  • [12:23:07] <StevenC> thought so :)
  • [12:23:12] <bobbens> but next revision will probably be atmega88p
  • [12:23:45] <bobbens> it was mainly an experiment
  • [12:23:50] <bobbens> to see if I could pull off something like that
  • [12:23:56] <bobbens> I'm pretty happy with the results :P
  • [12:24:10] <StevenC> yeah, must say it looks pretty professional :)
  • [12:24:18] <bobbens> also working with a friend now
  • [12:24:24] <bobbens> on making a simple oscilloscope with any avr
  • [12:24:35] <bobbens> so I can test and calibrate sensors
  • [12:25:00] <StevenC> don't you have a scope in the lab over there?
  • [12:25:15] <bobbens> I do, but I do these at home :P
  • [12:25:25] <bobbens> and it would be cooler to see it "how the AVR sees it"
  • [12:25:28] <bobbens> since it'll run on the same board
  • [12:25:36] <bobbens> it basically is an ADC <-> rs232 bridge
  • [12:25:44] <bobbens> with some fancy qt visualization stuff
  • [12:26:05] <StevenC> then maybe it's worth looking into some native USB avr
  • [12:26:14] <buZz> bobbens: is this connected to a beagleboard?
  • [12:26:40] <bobbens> buZz: no, it uses 5 V levels
  • [12:26:45] <bobbens> I need to make a level converter board for the beagle
  • [12:26:45] <buZz> ah ok
  • [12:27:20] <bobbens> StevenC: well the idea is to just test with the current hw I have
  • [12:27:26] <bobbens> and calibrate some IR sensors
  • [12:27:33] <bobbens> and a 3 axis accelerometer
  • [12:27:34] <buZz> i have a 5V batterypack for my igep board and am looking into doing an atmega168 based monitor circuit for power usage and level gauging
  • [12:27:52] <bobbens> heh
  • [12:27:58] <bobbens> I was planning in getting an igpe too :P
  • [12:27:59] <buZz> i'm not decided on the interface though :)
  • [12:28:03] <buZz> :)
  • [12:28:27] <buZz> finally (after 3 months of having it) i have working svideo out of igep
  • [12:29:47] <bobbens> well I'm a bit overworked atm, so was putting off getting a beagleboard type board
  • [12:29:47] <StevenC> cant the OMAP do the battery gauging?
  • [12:29:55] <bobbens> but if I do get accepted to GSoC I'll do it asap
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  • [12:30:59] <StevenC> bobbens: if you get accepted to GSoC, I read somewhere that TI will sponsor you a BeagleBoard
  • [12:31:16] <StevenC> as part of the contest scheme
  • [12:31:23] <bobbens> ah, cool
  • [12:31:34] <bobbens> more motivation :P
  • [12:31:40] <StevenC> :P
  • [12:31:46] <bobbens> too much time on IRC :P
  • [12:31:59] <buZz> StevenC: sure, but having it external to the board is just Hip(TM)
  • [12:32:02] <buZz> like a laptop ;)
  • [12:32:17] <buZz> StevenC: also i could put leds on the battery pack with a button :)
  • [12:32:22] <bobbens> some company makes some meta-acrylyc cases for the beagleboard too
  • [12:32:25] <bobbens> which would be cool to get :P
  • [12:33:03] <StevenC> :D
  • [12:33:52] <StevenC> bobbens: don't you have a kind of fablab over there?
  • [12:33:57] <StevenC> we have one in gent
  • [12:34:05] <StevenC> you could make your own acrylics then
  • [12:34:24] <bobbens> I don't have access to neither CNC nor 3d printer directly
  • [12:34:33] <bobbens> I only have access to infrastructure to work with sheet metal
  • [12:34:34] <StevenC> lasercutter?
  • [12:34:50] <bobbens> I can only operate the gigantic drill and the gigantic press
  • [12:34:57] <bobbens> for anything fancier I need to find a teacher to support me
  • [12:35:38] <StevenC> which is too bad really
  • [12:36:01] <StevenC> that's the reason I decided to get my own PCB etching setup at home
  • [12:36:03] <bobbens> that's how stuff works here :)
  • [12:36:14] <bobbens> I have decided to never make my own PCB again
  • [12:36:20] <bobbens> and instead just use a company like olimex
  • [12:36:24] <StevenC> why not?
  • [12:36:25] <bobbens> it's much cheaper in the long run
  • [12:36:38] <bobbens> you get really high quality boards, vias done automagically
  • [12:36:47] <bobbens> and you spend much less time soldering and the likes
  • [12:36:54] <bobbens> it isn't that much more expensive either
  • [12:37:03] <StevenC> true, for those boards it's interesting to get them done
  • [12:37:19] <StevenC> but it's also part of the challenge to make a layout that doesn't contain vias
  • [12:37:19] <bobbens> all my boards tend to be small double sided boards with 50+ vias
  • [12:37:31] <bobbens> no vias limits horribly your design
  • [12:37:32] <StevenC> :)
  • [12:37:38] <bobbens> and if you want to solder at home
  • [12:37:48] <bobbens> you want to put all the headers so that you only solder on the bottom side
  • [12:37:57] <bobbens> and that's also a pain
  • [12:38:00] <bobbens> and tends to add more vias
  • [12:38:08] <bobbens> I've soldered waaaay too many vias for my lifetime
  • [12:38:19] <StevenC> :D
  • [12:38:22] <bobbens> it's no fun to spend 5 hours soldering each board you saw
  • [12:38:36] <bobbens> instead with professional pcb etching it takes you under an hour
  • [12:38:39] <bobbens> including checking for shorts
  • [12:38:41] <bobbens> and such
  • [12:39:07] <buZz> i never ever made my own board
  • [12:39:11] <StevenC> true, true
  • [12:39:20] <bobbens> I have made many boards
  • [12:39:22] <buZz> only at school, over 13 years ago or something
  • [12:39:30] <bobbens> but I refuse to make more pcbs
  • [12:39:31] <StevenC> but I find it equally nice to etch your own board in under half an hour after your design is done
  • [12:39:34] <bobbens> unless they're _dead_ simple
  • [12:39:45] <StevenC> :d
  • [12:39:47] <bobbens> StevenC: I can give you my schematics if you want to have fun :P
  • [12:39:58] <bobbens> you have the precision to do TSSOP24? :P
  • [12:40:05] <bobbens> 6 mils? :P
  • [12:40:13] <bobbens> err, actually I think it's 8 mils
  • [12:40:26] <StevenC> 8mil traces or 8mil spacing?
  • [12:40:33] <bobbens> the main board is 10-12 mils, the tiny h-bridge had to be scruntched into 8 mils
  • [12:40:36] <bobbens> StevenC: both :P
  • [12:41:06] <bobbens> seriously, I will never make a via again! :P
  • [12:41:16] <bobbens> however it would be cool to make a CNC for pcb layouts
  • [12:41:16] <StevenC> :P
  • [12:41:21] <bobbens> instead of etching
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  • [12:41:34] <StevenC> hmm, I would have to advise against that
  • [12:41:43] <StevenC> however cool, it's not practical
  • [12:41:57] <StevenC> your accuracy decreases greatly
  • [12:42:07] <bobbens> depends on how well you make it
  • [12:42:11] <StevenC> and much depends on the bit you are using
  • [12:42:11] <bobbens> but I probably won't :P
  • [12:42:21] <bobbens> since it's cheaper to just use olimex
  • [12:42:25] <bobbens> unless I maked a dozen boards a week
  • [12:42:47] <StevenC> olime is that hungarian company, right?
  • [12:42:51] <bobbens> bulgarian
  • [12:43:04] <bobbens> they accept eagle brd :P
  • [12:43:07] <StevenC> oh, excuse me :)
  • [12:43:45] <StevenC> you design all of your layouts on eagle?
  • [12:43:50] <bobbens> yeah
  • [12:43:57] <bobbens> since they're usually mainly digital
  • [12:44:02] <bobbens> so I don't have to worry about simulation
  • [12:44:12] <StevenC> :)
  • [12:44:26] <StevenC> for school projects I tend to use multisim
  • [12:44:33] <StevenC> since the license is available on campus
  • [12:44:52] <bobbens> http://bobbens.dyndns.org/files/Trinity.png
  • [12:44:55] <bobbens> ^ my next project :)
  • [12:44:58] <bobbens> BLDC controller
  • [12:45:12] <bobbens> however the electronics are trickier there
  • [12:45:17] <bobbens> since it should handle at least 30 A
  • [12:46:13] <bobbens> silicon handles 160 A, packaging probably around 50 A with heatsink, and need pcb to handle those 50 A, although would be happy with 30 A
  • [12:46:39] <StevenC> which means HUGE traces
  • [12:46:48] <bobbens> yes
  • [12:46:55] <bobbens> I've done like 3 board layouts
  • [12:47:03] <bobbens> it's pretty hard to do well
  • [12:47:10] <bobbens> especially since I want to keep it really small
  • [12:47:14] <StevenC> and, if you can get your fabhouse to do it, 1 or 2 oz of coper instead of 1/2
  • [12:47:15] <bobbens> but don't think I'll be able to
  • [12:47:25] <bobbens> olimex only does 35 um
  • [12:47:33] <bobbens> would need a fancier place to do 70 um
  • [12:47:40] <StevenC> eurocircuits?
  • [12:47:50] <bobbens> would have to check it out
  • [12:49:15] <StevenC> makePCB does 70um, if you don't mind waiting for your boards to come out of china
  • [12:49:45] <bobbens> I'm saturated with work
  • [12:49:47] <bobbens> so there's no hurry
  • [12:49:55] <bobbens> I still have to double/triple check schematics
  • [12:50:04] <bobbens> to not have another major stupidity
  • [12:50:09] <StevenC> :)
  • [12:50:25] <StevenC> saturated with work and still applying for gsoc? :P
  • [12:50:31] <bobbens> yes
  • [12:50:38] <bobbens> I have no social life and don't sleep
  • [12:50:40] <bobbens> :P
  • [12:50:53] <StevenC> poor you :)
  • [12:51:02] <bobbens> not to mention I'll probably prioritize gsoc
  • [12:51:14] <bobbens> I'm not complaining, it's the truth :P
  • [12:52:17] <StevenC> you should probably prioritize gsoc if you want to have some result...
  • [12:52:53] <StevenC> after all, the deadlines are kind of strict to get yourself familiarized with the project and codebase
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  • [12:54:14] <bobbens> well my school ends late, I just mention it and when I finish exams work like 70 hours a week until it's done
  • [12:54:22] <bobbens> I haven't had an issue yet :)
  • [12:56:31] <StevenC> :)
  • [12:58:53] <bobbens> eek, time is flying
  • [12:58:56] <bobbens> need to get stuff done -->
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  • [13:00:29] <StevenC> yeah, I need to get going too in a moment... visiting my grandmother on the other side of the country
  • [13:00:40] <StevenC> see you all later!
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  • [14:20:36] <jean85> hi all .....
  • [14:21:26] <jean85> anyone know how to install Asterisk on BB???
  • [14:21:57] <buZz> just install it?
  • [14:22:06] <buZz> as on any other linux system
  • [14:22:44] <jean85> but am getting some error like unknow arch = armv71
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  • [14:24:24] <jean85> anyone????
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  • [15:09:51] <jean85> anyone know how to install Asterisk on BB???
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  • [15:18:32] <rcn-ee> jean85, what os?
  • [15:18:44] <jean85> ubuntu
  • [15:18:51] <rcn-ee> 9.10 or 10.04?
  • [15:18:55] <jean85> 9.10
  • [15:19:18] <rcn-ee> is it one of their package.. (installed thru apt-get)?
  • [15:19:28] <jean85> nope
  • [15:19:46] <jean85> i tried compile it thru source code
  • [15:20:28] <rcn-ee> where you getting the source? their build scripts probally need a tweak...
  • [15:20:47] <jean85> i got it from asterisk .org
  • [15:23:17] <dm8tbr> I can see an asterisk package in anstrom...
  • [15:23:18] <rcn-ee> silly question, but why do you want to build it from source? it's in ubuntu's repo...
  • [15:23:36] <rcn-ee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/armel/asterisk
  • [15:23:50] <jean85> wow!!
  • [15:24:20] <rcn-ee> it's under 'universe' so make sure you /etc/apt/sources.list has it enabled...
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  • [15:25:50] <jean85> thanks man... that was really great....
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  • [15:32:37] <steveh> Hi everyone I'm having a problem running gcc. I have debian running on my beagle but can't run gcc from CLI. Do I need to apt-get install gcc?
  • [15:32:56] <rcn-ee> build-essentials
  • [15:33:27] <rcn-ee> eh, no 's' on the end..
  • [15:35:19] <steveh> thanks
  • [15:36:27] <rcn-ee> oh, steveh i was going to ask you yesterday, was this the initrd.gz you used to netinstall squeeze? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-armel/current/images/versatile/netboot/initrd.gz
  • [15:40:35] <steveh> I used http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-armel/current/images/versatile/netboot/initrd.gz
  • [15:41:30] <kblin> rcn-ee: oh, btw, I'm certain that my musb problems from last year were due to a bad usb hub. I hate hardware :)
  • [15:41:36] <rcn-ee> okay, you used the old lenny one, I can't remember who used the squeeze alpha one....
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  • [15:42:54] <steveh> I'm not sure if I saw that one. Did you just put it up recently?
  • [15:43:37] <jacopo_mondi1> Hi all... anyone using pm branch here? Could you please paste here `uname -r` outuput?
  • [15:43:39] <rcn-ee> hey kblin, i still think it's both.. ;) i fighting a cheap external usb drive controller...
  • [15:44:06] <vyas021> hi every one, any buddy here for GSOC
  • [15:44:18] <vyas021> ?
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  • [15:44:27] <rcn-ee> steveh, yeah, i put up a quick install squeeze section here.. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Development_PC:_Setup_SD_U-boot_Partition
  • [15:44:52] <rcn-ee> totaly untested, but someone on irc mentioned it worked for them..
  • [15:45:03] <vyas021> Google summer of code?
  • [15:45:48] <rcn-ee> vyas021, probally, but it still might be early in the morning..
  • [15:48:12] <steveh> rcn-ee: Thanks again for your help. This morning I installed apache and mysql on my beagle and everything seems work fine!
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  • [15:48:27] <kblin> vyas021: you could try the mailing list if there's no-one who can help you on IRC today
  • [15:48:39] <vyas021> oky
  • [15:48:52] <vyas021> kblin: thanx
  • [15:48:58] <kblin> no problem :)
  • [15:49:20] <rcn-ee> your welcome steveh, but it was mostly the debian guys.. ;) i just wrote the wiki.. ;)
  • [15:49:38] <kblin> I'm looking forward to many people making my beagle work even better
  • [15:49:49] <kblin> steveh: how's your performance?
  • [15:50:36] <kblin> which reminds me, I need to clock my C3 again now that network and disk are on different USB chips :)
  • [15:50:43] <steveh> rcn-ee: It all helps. Hopefully I will be able to contribute back
  • [15:52:28] <steveh> kblin: I haven't loaded it down yet but the packages installed very quickly so that is a good sign.
  • [15:53:12] <steveh> kblin: By the way, I'm using a C3 board running deb with no gui
  • [15:54:17] <kblin> similar here, just using ubuntu
  • [15:55:40] <kblin> out of curiosity, what made you pick a beagle over e.g. a sheevaplug for a server?
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  • [15:56:50] <kblin> rcn-ee: hm, might have spoken too soon, ethernet on my C3 just died. :)
  • [15:57:26] <rcn-ee> kblin, which hardware was that one? I've thrown my mostec ones into a bonfire....
  • [15:58:09] <kblin> the trendnet
  • [15:58:20] <rcn-ee> i think that's the good asix one...
  • [15:58:28] <kblin> yeah
  • [15:58:38] <kblin> but to be fair I thought I had problems with noise on EHCI
  • [15:58:49] <steveh> kblin: I'm not sure how I found out about the beagle. It looked like it had a good community.
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  • [16:01:43] <rcn-ee> kblin, did you cap mod your nosiy c3?
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  • [16:02:03] <kblin> rcn-ee: nope. I might have to do that
  • [16:02:46] <kblin> I just didn't feel like soldering around on that thing yet
  • [16:04:12] <rcn-ee> true, specially when it kinda works, sometimes to much of a risk..
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  • [16:05:25] <steveh> kblin: I haven't seen this on my C3. I only had a 7v wallwart so I ended up using a 7805 regulator to give me 5V. Very low ripple. How are you powering your beagle?
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  • [16:06:42] <rcn-ee> steveh, it was one of those rare bugs on the c3, some are fine, some are noisy.. the C4 introduced a redesigned echi power setup..
  • [16:06:44] <kblin> steveh: from what I understand, only about 40% of the C3 boards have that problem
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  • [16:11:31] <steveh> kblin: I'm planning to buy a second board soon so it should be a C4. (Just waiting for CDN$ to go over US$ so I can save some bucks)
  • [16:13:10] <kblin> rcn-ee: on re-reading that thread, it seems like you can put the capacitator into the extension port.. I might try that
  • [16:13:33] <kblin> that's further away from other parts I could ruin :)
  • [16:13:53] <kblin> steveh: I've got a B6 and a C3
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  • [16:14:48] <rcn-ee> interesting, it probaly wouldn't have as much effect... both of my c2's need the mod, although only one still works...
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  • [16:15:23] <kblin> given that they're not the ideal hardware to build a server machine with (usb ethernet is not too great), I'm probably not going to get another one
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  • [16:15:47] <kblin> I've got a sheevaplug as well, that works reasonably well as well
  • [16:16:15] <rcn-ee> oh kblin, wait till june when the xm is available.. onboard lan95 (usb hub/ethernet)
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  • [16:17:05] <kblin> the fun part is that the B6 board runs rock solid once some initial musb fixes were applied to the kernel
  • [16:17:16] <rcn-ee> although the 'dove' refresh of the sheevaplug will be interesting this summer..
  • [16:17:54] <kblin> yeah, I'll have to see if I can budget for either of those..
  • [16:18:40] <kblin> I should spread them all over the house and make my next SDC talk about Embedded Personal Clouds
  • [16:19:00] * kblin ponders
  • [16:20:05] <rcn-ee> laughs... who doesn't do that at their house... ;) a talk on an efficient way to setup a personal cloud would be interesting..
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  • [16:24:21] <kblin> I'll have to follow up on that thought, yeah.
  • [16:25:14] <kblin> the XM does look interesting. I finally read up on that mailing list post jkridner made in january :)
  • [16:25:33] <kblin> oh well
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  • [18:29:11] <torusle> hi
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  • [18:32:40] <mru> hi torusle
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  • [18:34:40] <torusle> hi mru.
  • [18:35:47] <torusle> I got a new job - started on monday.. first piece of hardware that landed on my table was a beagleboard...
  • [18:35:55] <torusle> sometimes you just have luck...
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  • [18:42:50] <Crofton> torusle, awesome!
  • [18:44:28] <torusle> yep.. I'm happy.. no dsp but lots of other cool stuff to work with..
  • [18:46:00] <_av500_> torusle: gm
  • [18:46:18] <_av500_> no more dsp work?
  • [18:46:21] <_av500_> :)
  • [18:47:10] <torusle> yes, at the moment just embedded linux.. connecting some wireless network interfaces to the board and get the stack to compile ect..
  • [18:48:31] <_av500_> sounds familiar..
  • [18:49:04] <torusle> they want their interface as portable as possible, so I have to keep the beagle related stuff at a minimum..
  • [18:49:06] <torusle> fine for me..
  • [18:50:08] <torusle> btw: does anyone knows what's the latest usable kernel-release? I need something 2.6.33 or newer because I need the new /sys/class/gpio interrupt feature
  • [18:53:09] <Crofton> I'd try head, but some things may not work
  • [18:53:26] <Crofton> but I would guess most everything you need would work
  • [18:53:40] <Crofton> look at the OE recipe to get an idea of what we are patching
  • [18:55:21] <torusle> good idea..
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  • [18:55:52] <torusle> I just got the 2.6.33 from kernel.org and compiled it.. Well, it somewhat works, but my beloved usb-otg seems to be broken.
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  • [21:35:18] <djlewis> ho ho ho, it was 70 degree F today and a winter weather watch tonight.
  • [21:38:12] <mru> I think it's safe to say winter is gone here
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  • [21:42:58] <djlewis> hi mru , our state has a reputation for quick change weather.
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  • [22:24:21] <thurbad> AHHH .. internet again
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  • [22:38:04] <djlewis> thurbad, does your internet conn change as often as my weather?
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  • [22:38:54] <thurbad> no, my router died yesterday evening
  • [22:38:55] <mru> djlewis: your weather is what changes his net connection
  • [22:39:13] <djlewis> most likely :)
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