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  • [00:05:03] <JoeTheProgrammer> ds2: tried paperclip thingie as spoke about in manual and I did not get the letter I typed in the terminal to echo
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  • [00:06:45] <JoeTheProgrammer> ds2: what is the correct standard that I need?
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  • [00:09:38] <ds2> "AT Everex" is the name
  • [00:09:55] <ds2> I go through a junk pile with a DMM to find mine so....
  • [00:10:22] <ds2> if you did the test correctly, that means your cable setup is wrong and most likely your board is ok
  • [00:11:15] <JoeTheProgrammer> I just noticed that the 3 of the cable wires are serperated, so it is indeed the cable :)
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  • [01:27:10] <mru> h264 decoding just got a little faster
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  • [01:32:54] <ds2> 720MHz chip?
  • [01:33:01] <mru> more neon
  • [01:33:19] <mru> I just checked in 16 more functions
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  • [01:34:27] <ds2> time to tell the arm guy his slide is wrong ? :)
  • [01:34:51] <mru> which arm guy with what slide?
  • [01:35:42] <ds2> the guy who gave the NEON tutorial; he had a slide with the ffmpeg stuff being an extreme example of what can be done with NEON
  • [01:35:51] <mru> oh, Ian
  • [01:35:59] <ds2> yeah, that's his name
  • [01:37:08] <mru> I'm not finished yet btw
  • [01:37:42] <ds2> going to make RV's NEON support look as bad as RV does to GCC?
  • [01:38:04] <mru> autovectorisation is a joke
  • [01:38:24] <mru> I did a test with rvct
  • [01:38:32] <mru> it a) doesn't work, and b) isn't faster
  • [01:39:01] <ds2> it is faster then GCC based on the examples he used... I put a for() around his sample code and timed it
  • [01:39:34] <mru> rvct makes faster code than gcc
  • [01:39:42] <mru> turning on vectorisation doesn't help
  • [01:40:07] <mru> not on real code like ffmpeg
  • [01:40:15] <ds2> I see. didn't have enough time to try different options
  • [01:41:02] <ds2> about the only irritating thing is, NEON won't behave itself in supervisor mode
  • [01:41:23] <mru> you mustn't use neon in linux kernel
  • [01:41:33] <mru> it doesn't do a full context save/restore
  • [01:41:39] <ds2> yes, I asked and you pointed that out to me
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  • [01:42:06] <mru> if you have a very good reason, you could do a manual save/restore
  • [01:42:09] <ds2> had visions of setting up 32bit xfers with the McBSP and being able to chomp away at it 4 bytes at a time
  • [01:42:27] <ds2> my reasons don't fall under that exemption
  • [01:43:50] <ds2> it did seem like a cool ideal to do a quick and dirty 4tap FIR in the kernel space
  • [01:46:03] <djlewis> hi mru , ds2... :)
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  • [02:28:08] <Dingo_aus> I'm a BB newbie. I have Angstrom and USB ethernet running - just wondering how I update Ansgstrom - the package program has no packages installed
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  • [02:29:45] <mzeltner> Heya
  • [02:30:01] <Dingo_aus> hey
  • [02:30:12] <mzeltner> I get strange sound channel switcharoos on Angstr??m and Ubunt
  • [02:30:13] <mzeltner> u
  • [02:30:34] <mzeltner> Left/right are randomly (?) used
  • [02:31:16] <mzeltner> Any known issues with that?
  • [02:31:20] <mzeltner> It's on both of my boards too
  • [02:33:51] <mzeltner> Also I'm having weird issues with ttyUSB0 - basically it doesn't work when it's already plugged in when the device boots (interfacing with an Arduino)
  • [02:34:56] <Dingo_aus> Are you giving it enough power?
  • [02:35:09] <mzeltner> The arduino? yeah
  • [02:35:28] <mzeltner> It happens when the Arduino is powered externally too
  • [02:35:53] <Dingo_aus> no, the BB. Are you using an external power supply when you get the audio and usb problems?
  • [02:35:54] <mzeltner> (Also, for some weird reason it doesn't recognise the Arduino when it's plugged in directly - needs a hub inbetween :()
  • [02:36:11] <Dingo_aus> what revision of the BB are you using?
  • [02:36:15] <mzeltner> C3
  • [02:36:29] <mzeltner> Let me restart the thing
  • [02:36:44] <Dingo_aus> I might be wrong but I think C3 requires a hub because the USB A port is permantently in host mode
  • [02:37:55] <Dingo_aus> See page 22 of the manual - the box talking about C2 relates to C3 as well.
  • [02:40:13] <Dingo_aus> brb
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  • [02:59:40] <GrizzlyAdams> USB needs a hub on beagle because the EHCI port only supports EHCI, and needs a hub to do translation, and the OTG port needs a powered hub since it can't source any meaningful current.
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  • [03:08:51] <mzeltner> Aye
  • [03:08:57] <mzeltner> Read up on it
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  • [03:13:49] <mzeltner> Need to reset network to be able to share my connection (damn OS X)
  • [03:13:51] <XiXaQ> does the OTG port support EHCI too?
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  • [03:17:16] <GrizzlyAdams> i believe so.
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  • [03:18:17] <mzeltner> Alright, so if the BB is powered by 5V the problems with the channels persist
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  • [03:19:46] <mzeltner> And also, the ttyUSB0 doesn't work when the device is attached to the hub during startup
  • [03:20:18] <XiXaQ> mzeltner, with current Linux?
  • [03:20:24] <mzeltner> Karmic
  • [03:20:37] <XiXaQ> right. I have that problem with Karmic on my laptop.
  • [03:20:52] <mzeltner> It also happened on Angstr??m though
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  • [03:26:06] <mzeltner> Hrm :(
  • [03:26:23] <mzeltner> That makes automation hard
  • [03:27:08] <mzeltner> (Trying to build a sound installation that involves some kinetics triggered by the Arduino)
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  • [04:36:03] <Dingo_aus> Can anyone point me to the package feed for Angstrom so I can update my BB?
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  • [05:09:32] <Differentkindof> Hey anyone here try video type stuff on the Bb?
  • [05:09:58] <Differentkindof> I was wondering if I could set up a decent webcam server with one
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  • [05:22:17] <GrizzlyAdams> mzeltner: what do you mean when you say problem with channels
  • [05:24:25] <mzeltner> GrizzlyAdams: The audio out channels randomly switch
  • [05:25:25] <GrizzlyAdams> O_o that is odd
  • [05:26:09] <mzeltner> I know
  • [05:26:21] <mzeltner> brb coffee
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  • [06:14:49] <mzeltner> So, if it's wrong and I run for example alsamixer or alsactl store it fixes itself
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  • [06:15:36] <mzeltner> But once the file finished playing, even if the soundcard doesn't "turn off" (with a bit of noise), it f's up again eventually
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  • [08:05:52] <gst-kaps> I received a beagleboard , now need to know where do I start from ?
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  • [08:11:45] <Animule> apply power? turn it on?
  • [08:12:02] <Animule> that's assuming you've already removed it from the packaging, etc
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  • [08:21:33] <gst-kaps> Animule:sure basically I have, esc-boston-2009-004.img.gz
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  • [08:21:58] <gst-kaps> I just wrote that to a sd card
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  • [08:25:26] <gst-kaps> Animule:http://pastebin.com/d3d394b99
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  • [09:21:57] <Belna> Hello. Has someone a devkit8000? I have a problem booting the kernel.
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  • [11:53:30] <hrw> morning
  • [11:58:52] <siji> GDM
  • [11:59:12] <siji> anybody can explain me about Vram usage in Beagle board
  • [11:59:36] <mru> morning hrw
  • [11:59:42] <doragasu> Hi
  • [11:59:44] <mru> siji: can you be more specific?
  • [11:59:52] <siji> As I mentioned earlier am trying to improve the performance of clutter application in beagle
  • [12:00:12] <siji> so earlier by default it was taking 1.9 MB
  • [12:01:10] <siji> and i changed in to setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 rw omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60'
  • [12:01:33] <siji> I mean I think fb0=4M and fb1=4MB
  • [12:01:46] <mru> yes
  • [12:01:49] <siji> ok
  • [12:02:04] <siji> but while putting 8MB am not getting the display
  • [12:02:21] <siji> so how we can optimise it
  • [12:02:28] <mru> why do you need that much fb memory?
  • [12:02:52] <siji> Actually i was just experimenting to improve clutter apps performance
  • [12:03:11] <mru> why would more fb memory improve performance?
  • [12:04:10] <siji> I thought that the Xbackend takes control of frame buffer I mean X Server
  • [12:04:37] <siji> and while any animation happening it will store in FB memory
  • [12:04:47] <siji> still next animation taking place
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  • [12:05:20] <siji> mru, am i making any sense ??
  • [12:06:14] <_koen_> tripple buffering can make the SGX more efficient in some cases
  • [12:06:29] <siji> tripple buffering ??
  • [12:06:31] <av500> quadbuffering ftw!
  • [12:06:43] <av500> wouldnt have less on my quadcore!
  • [12:07:02] <mru> av500: you know how many buffers _I_ use
  • [12:07:10] <siji> ok , let me explore wht's quadbuffering and tripple buffering :(
  • [12:07:21] <siji> google is great :)
  • [12:07:49] <av500> mru: sure, more buffers make up for less cores :)
  • [12:08:27] <mru> I'm talking about omapfbplay with ~200 buffers of course
  • [12:09:03] <siji> av500,mru I confused
  • [12:09:13] <siji> av500, wht does mean by cores
  • [12:09:33] <mru> on my old Alpha, I used ~1000 buffers in ram and another 30 or so in vram
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  • [12:12:32] <topi_> you mean Alpha like Alpha AXP? :) I used to have a Noname board
  • [12:13:25] <topi_> koen: triple buffering isn't usually worth it :) but when we coded Amiga demos, we used triple buffering (using the Blitter to clear the buffer, all rendering was CPU rendering)
  • [12:14:04] <siji> hey can you tell me how to do the triple buffering
  • [12:15:54] <topi_> pretty simple. instead of a pair of buffers you flip between, you create a circular list and rotate that.
  • [12:16:39] <mru> topi_: yes, that alpha
  • [12:16:48] <mru> I still have a couple of them
  • [12:16:57] <mru> a 164SX and a UP1500
  • [12:17:02] <siji> topi_, u mean the animation
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  • [12:31:08] <topi_> mru, nice :) I wish I could have gotten one of the better ones, the 21066A was badly underpowered with its crippled memory bus
  • [12:31:42] <mru> yeah
  • [12:31:49] <topi_> however, to demonstrate the power of the alpha (back in 1997), I compiled 'xaos' and demonstrated my roommate how his P90 is *slow* :)
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  • [12:32:25] <topi_> I think the difference in speed was like 10x
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  • [12:32:34] <mru> what alpha was that?
  • [12:32:58] <av500> centauri?
  • [12:33:18] <raster> 7
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  • [12:35:01] <av500> raster: http://www.archos.com/support/support_tech/updates.html?country=us&lang=en
  • [12:35:18] <av500> you can get the dev ed and use it to flash the a5g you have
  • [12:35:42] <raster> aaaaaah cool
  • [12:35:46] <raster> it will need to wait
  • [12:35:50] <av500> dman
  • [12:35:51] <raster> as its a little far away now
  • [12:36:02] <raster> like about 7000km away
  • [12:36:18] <av500> you in the outback? :)
  • [12:37:39] <raster> no
  • [12:37:40] <raster> up north
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  • [12:43:35] <siji> hi , am back
  • [12:43:59] <siji> with some basic idea abt double triple buffering
  • [12:44:49] <siji> so pls calrify my doubts , is triple buffering is related to hardware?
  • [12:45:08] <siji> I mean if i defined it as a boot arg it will work or not ?
  • [12:45:40] <siji> like omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M,2:4M ??
  • [12:46:08] <mru> those 3 numbers refer to the 3 gfx planes
  • [12:46:16] <mru> nothing to do with double/triple buffering
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  • [12:46:36] <av500> well, you could do it with the 3 planes, no? :)
  • [12:47:05] <mru> enable one plane at a time...
  • [12:47:25] <mru> bad idea I'd say
  • [12:47:30] <siji> :(
  • [12:47:32] <siji> ok
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  • [12:48:16] <siji> so u mean i have to rework on the animation algorithm like what topi_ said
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  • [13:40:07] <koen> florian: could you try restarting apache2 on discovery?
  • [13:40:28] <florian> koen: sure
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  • [13:45:54] <_koen_> florian: thanks
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  • [13:54:16] <jkridner|work> ds2: (delayed reaction) mmmmm, fried steak sandwich.
  • [13:55:00] <DJWillis> jkridner|work: grilled, much nicer :)
  • [13:57:24] <jkridner|work> Nicer, but not tastier.
  • [13:59:02] <DJWillis> :)
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  • [14:10:32] <_koen_> hrw: ack on all 3 bug patches
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  • [14:13:22] <ant_work> _koen_: are you waiting for 2.6.32 to branch next stable?
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  • [14:22:39] <hrw> koen: thx
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  • [14:27:07] <_koen_> ant_work: no, I'm waiting for a sudden outbreak of common sense
  • [14:28:07] <ant_work> you'll have to wait...
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  • [14:34:00] <av500> _koen_: there will be no outbreak, most ppl are immune :)
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  • [14:46:59] <revizes> hi. anybody know how to build the X window for beagle board?
  • [14:49:14] <XiXaQ> you can find precompiled binaries, so I guess someone has to.
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  • [14:50:19] <revizes> yeah. I want to build the all from scratch. :)
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  • [15:00:45] <DJWillis> revizes: Angstrom, OpenEmbedded and a few hours free, all sorted ;-)
  • [15:02:02] <av500> DJWillis: but thats not from "scratch"
  • [15:02:23] <mru> it is if you put your oe tree under /scratch
  • [15:03:15] <DJWillis> av500: ok, it's scripted, I guess you could build a GCC cross and use that, or even native as long as you don't run out of ram and have a lot of SD swap ;-)
  • [15:04:32] <prpplague> _koen_: http://www.nbcdfw.com/enjoy-this/North-Texas-Wakes-to-Big-Snowflakes-78310222.html
  • [15:05:39] <av500> people here are getting sunburns buying christmas ornaments...
  • [15:05:57] <mru> I just heard thunder here
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  • [15:06:17] <revizes> DJWillis: Thx. but I don't want to use Openembedded. I want to use Scratchbox.
  • [15:06:28] <mru> some people really do want PAIN
  • [15:07:09] <_koen_> prpplague: heh, I only have rain & hail over here
  • [15:07:20] <av500> mru: the french love it ;)
  • [15:07:36] <mru> not many french around here
  • [15:07:44] <prpplague> _koen_: well it turned to rain and washed away pretty quick
  • [15:07:52] <mru> I know a few, but not many
  • [15:08:33] <av500> chocolate pain in the morning
  • [15:09:32] <mru> chocolate pain, that could be the name of a rock song
  • [15:12:27] <jkridner|work> too close to Chocolate Rain.
  • [15:13:06] <revizes> anybody know build sequence of building X for beagle board?
  • [15:13:41] <prpplague> revizes: look at the recipe in OE, basically you can follow that
  • [15:13:46] <prpplague> jkridner|work: greetings
  • [15:14:02] <jkridner|work> howdy prpplague
  • [15:14:22] * av500 still prefers steak sandwich
  • [15:14:27] <prpplague> jkridner|work: what's cookin today?
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  • [15:15:27] <jkridner|work> hmmm..... too much that doesn't taste good.
  • [15:15:46] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hehe
  • [15:15:55] <jkridner|work> might try to get some lab/class e-mails out to the mailing list today.
  • [15:16:11] <jkridner|work> I like all these messages from Mr. Day, but I haven't been able to keep up.
  • [15:16:25] <av500> you should see Mrs Night...
  • [15:17:21] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ahh
  • [15:18:25] <hrw> revizes: sequence? 'bitbake x11-image'
  • [15:18:54] <av500> wouldnt that be scratchbake for scratchbox?
  • [15:19:02] <revizes> hrw: Ok thx. I will try.
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  • [15:19:58] <prpplague> revizes: hehe don't get discouraged if you are interested in learning the guts you can look at each of the recipes, alot of folks are big believers in using OE, and it does have it's purposes, but it isn't a one size fits all kind of environment
  • [15:21:49] <revizes> prpplague: Ok thx. I want to know just sequence for build x, because I will build x with scrachbox not OE. actually i don't know about OE. But i will investigate OE. Thx :)
  • [15:22:44] <prpplague> revizes: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard#OpenEmbedded
  • [15:22:55] <hrw> revizes: with sbox? good luck
  • [15:23:19] <revizes> thx, prpplauge, hrw :)
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  • [15:25:21] <_koen_> scarebox
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  • [15:32:12] <revizes> _koen_: you don't like scrachbox?
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  • [15:33:54] <adj> who does?
  • [15:34:58] <_koen_> what adj said
  • [15:36:12] <revizes> adj: "who does?" means that nobody like scratchbox? i'm a beginner for beagle board. so i want to know many things. Could you tell me merit of OE? :)
  • [15:36:28] <av500> it works
  • [15:36:38] <av500> at least ppl claim that
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  • [15:38:45] <_koen_> TI is using OE nowadays, so not much point in trying other stuff unless you like pain and figuring things out for yourself
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  • [15:41:09] <_koen_> it fails at the start: http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/install-x11.html
  • [15:41:22] <_koen_> there is no such thing as qt-x11-opensource-desktop-4.6.0.tar.gz
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  • [16:04:11] <jkridner|work> well, some very significant non-TI folks are using Scratchbox and there are some TI folks using Scratchbox as well.
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  • [16:04:45] <jkridner|work> maybe not as many as are using OE inside TI, but they do exist.
  • [16:05:01] <_koen_> and they are all getting payed to use it
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  • [16:05:45] <hrw> crapbox...
  • [16:06:01] <hrw> why people use sbox for non-maemo stuff is beyond my mind
  • [16:06:09] <DJWillis> _koen_: you would have to pay me a lot to try Scratchbox again ;-)
  • [16:06:38] <jkridner|work> it is also not my preference. made the environment confusing.
  • [16:06:41] <hrw> DJWillis: such price exists?
  • [16:06:50] <jkridner|work> I have an easier time wrapping my head around Gentoo than I do OE.
  • [16:08:03] <mru> gentoo is easy
  • [16:08:20] <mru> when you've used it for a few years
  • [16:09:04] <av500> a, like crack then...
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  • [16:16:26] <av500> ti folks: since when does "OMAP" exist? aka 1st omap was when?
  • [16:18:10] <mru> at the dawn of time
  • [16:19:36] <hrw> av500: atleast 2002
  • [16:19:48] <av500> mru: so it was late as usual :)
  • [16:20:07] <respawn> hello. can someone explain what's the deal with the "BeagleBoard Sponsored Projects Program" ?
  • [16:20:29] <mru> if you impress us, you get a board
  • [16:20:49] <prpplague> or some rum
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  • [16:21:16] <ojn> av500: let me google that for you
  • [16:21:30] <respawn> so all I have to do is to post an project, with it's current status and how beagleboard would help me?
  • [16:21:39] <prpplague> i think the omapedia wiki has that info
  • [16:21:55] <ojn> TI's began shipping OMAP processor prototypes in 4Q, 2000, and is shipping samples today. The first OMAP application processor is scheduled to be available in volume production quantities in 3Q, 2001.
  • [16:22:01] <ojn> http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/2001/01040.htm
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  • [16:22:38] <ojn> found as fourth hit with "ti omap first announced"
  • [16:23:04] <av500> ojn: cool, I have to bookmark that google thingy :)
  • [16:23:43] <ojn> av500: yeah, it's a really cool site. So much better than altavista.
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  • [16:23:57] <av500> it can be reached by gopher?
  • [16:24:02] <respawn> is there something else I need to know, mru ?
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  • [16:24:28] <mru> respawn: yes, you need my address for the beer delivery
  • [16:24:28] <prpplague> dirk2: hey bud
  • [16:24:36] <prpplague> dirk2: how goes it?
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  • [16:26:07] <ojn> av500: you made me look. no, doesn't seem like it. :)
  • [16:26:14] <ojn> it is a bit like archie but for the web though
  • [16:26:16] <Crofton> av500, now find out what OMAP stands for
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  • [16:26:39] <respawn> mru, how many beers ? :)
  • [16:26:43] <av500> Open Multimedia Application Platform
  • [16:26:49] <mru> av500: ffmpeg supports gopher
  • [16:27:15] <av500> mru: got some goos ascii pron links?
  • [16:27:15] <av500> good
  • [16:27:18] <prpplague> av500: funny since a ton of the stuff in the OMAP isn't open at all
  • [16:27:47] <av500> prpplague: and only parts to "multimedia".... finally...
  • [16:27:54] <av500> to->do
  • [16:27:54] <mru> http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups/pinup00.txt
  • [16:28:10] <av500> that one I actually have :)
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  • [16:31:45] <prpplague> av500: not ascii pr0n, but cute anyway
  • [16:31:55] <av500> yes, nice
  • [16:32:43] <prpplague> av500: someone had too much time and alot of old components
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  • [17:12:11] <Leonidos> Hi guys, tell me please one thing: should windows find a new usb device, if I connect beagle boart to my PC using USB otg port without any OS on it?
  • [17:13:01] <cody_> i guess not
  • [17:13:49] <Leonidos> but if I boot with default Angstrom kernel it should?
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  • [17:15:48] <Leonidos> I have some problems with usb and trying to figure out what is going on )
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  • [18:29:59] <k27> a question on pm. does a system go into suspend if clocks are active of atleast one subsystem?
  • [18:30:22] <k27> or active clocks only affect retention mode
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  • [18:31:54] <ds2> Morning
  • [18:32:06] <ds2> depends on the code ;)
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  • [18:32:41] <ds2> if you look at it, you'll see the clocks are checked in software to determine if suspend is accepted or not
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  • [18:32:58] <ds2> obviously, this has real world impact
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  • [18:33:30] <k27> ds2: in pm34xx.c?
  • [18:35:12] <k27> ds2: where are they checked in software? you mean to say - if any clock is on (say sdio/usb) then system comes out of suspend immediately?
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  • [18:37:50] <ds2> depends on which tree but that is a possible file
  • [18:38:01] <ds2> k27: no, the suspend is refused if the clock is still on
  • [18:39:01] <k27> i refer to the pm tree.
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  • [18:39:21] <ds2> there are many many pm trees out there
  • [18:39:24] <k27> not so sure, otherwise all domains must hit retention always isnt it
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  • [18:39:31] <ds2> I don't track all of them
  • [18:39:41] <k27> ds2: khilman's tree in git.kernel.org
  • [18:39:57] <ds2> k27: I donno the exact file
  • [18:40:01] <k27> ds2: which tree are you using?
  • [18:40:40] <ds2> k27: one who's linearage I am not at liberty to comment on
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  • [18:43:05] <ds2> it should be pretty obvious which file it is; check the Makefile and the contents
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  • [18:43:49] <k27> okay
  • [18:51:25] <ds2> jkridner|work: If you are in Chicago, try the fried steak sandwich at Ricobeni's
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  • [18:51:45] <jkridner|work> ds2: thanks for the tip.
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  • [18:55:20] <ds2> jkridner|work: that's just the comment... the tip is - lock and hide your laptop/electronics if go there ;)
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  • [18:55:48] <mru> and that's just the tip of the iceberg
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  • [19:15:00] <_av500_> ds2: ha, steak sandwich, i knew it
  • [19:16:08] <ds2> _av500_: that is stuff is good
  • [19:16:42] <ds2> grilled peppers and a red sauce, probally marinara or the stuff they use on chicken parmesian
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  • [19:17:13] <_av500_> jkridner|work: i want one too
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  • [19:30:37] <koen> florian: any idea what's wrong with apache2 on discovery?
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  • [19:37:25] <_koen_> google must be down
  • [19:41:30] <prpplague> _koen_: must be
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  • [19:42:38] <prpplague> these folks that are completely unable to use their beagle boards because they don;t have various serial connections astound me
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  • [19:42:48] <ds2> prehaps someone alias a unix intro list to it?
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  • [19:44:41] <florian> koen: no not yet, but I'm about to investigate a little bit
  • [19:48:09] <_koen_> florian: thanks!
  • [19:53:55] <florian> _koen_: hmm... it look like it ran out of worker proceses
  • [19:54:35] <florian> i guess we can increase the number on the new machine without running into trouble :)
  • [19:55:18] <florian> any slashdot articles mentionig angstrom or something like this?
  • [19:57:09] <_koen_> yeah
  • [19:57:15] <_koen_> the archos firmware thing
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  • [19:58:11] <florian> ahh, good point... that was released yesterday, right?
  • [19:58:26] <DJWillis> _koen_: florian: did it leave to a traffic spike?
  • [19:58:54] <DJWillis> Is there new 'dev firmware' Angstrom/OE based then? Not followed it.
  • [19:59:10] <_koen_> it's 'gpe-image'
  • [19:59:24] <_koen_> I need to find time to integrate their changes back into OE
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  • [20:02:14] <DJWillis> _koen_: are there patches up anywhere? Just out of passing interest.
  • [20:03:01] <florian> DJWillis: Yes it seems to cause a lot of page hits at least. I need to look up the traffic stats some time...
  • [20:03:08] <_koen_> yes, on their websote
  • [20:03:45] <florian> Sounds good, that's simething I might want to take a look too :)
  • [20:03:59] <florian> ah.. too much of typing today ;)
  • [20:04:28] <_koen_> check your mailboxes in a few minutes :)
  • [20:04:44] <florian> okay
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  • [20:08:35] <mzeltner> THIS IS SO WEIRD
  • [20:08:51] <_koen_> yeah, having capslock stuck and all
  • [20:09:18] <mzeltner> Random sound channel switches are temporarily fixed by "sudo alsactl store" but after a while it starts f'ing up again :(
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  • [20:11:15] <mzeltner> How the hell would this thing not know what channels to send the data to
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  • [20:13:30] <mzeltner> Alright scratch that - it even switches around if I run ntpdate for example
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  • [20:16:37] <florian> _koen_, DJWillis: Ok its fixed - I have increased the numbers of worker processes and now its fast again and the active worker queue is down to ~20 again.
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  • [20:18:30] <DJWillis> florian: great :)
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  • [20:32:43] <florian> _koen_: thanks - looks pretty easy
  • [20:33:04] <prpplague> _koen_: any idea what the current status of the Leopard board stuff is?
  • [20:33:18] <florian> _av500_: ok what's the cheapest source for these devices? :)
  • [20:34:36] <ds2> prpplague: hw or OE?
  • [20:36:04] <_koen_> prpplague: I'm about to try running 2.632-rcX on it
  • [20:36:06] <mru> I guess it's spotty...
  • [20:36:07] <prpplague> ds2: hardware, i.e. is it still an on going concern
  • [20:36:26] <ds2> prpplague: as far as I know, that has been working for a while... drivers is the main thing missing
  • [20:36:38] <ds2> on the proper L-DV tree that is
  • [20:37:13] <prpplague> ds2: sorry i wasn't very clear, are they for sell?
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  • [20:37:42] <ds2> prpplague: yep. orderable with different cameras too
  • [20:40:30] <DJWillis> florian: I was about to ask the same question ;-), now it's worth hacking on, where are all the cheap ones.
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  • [20:42:12] <florian> DJWillis: yep.. and this device might be a good reason to improve gpe-image a litle bit. There is quite some room for improvement.
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  • [20:42:57] <DJWillis> florian: when things settle I want to revisit GPE on the Pandora also.
  • [20:44:29] <florian> DJWillis: The first step could be collecting all the low hanging fruits: all the newer matchbox2 stuff, updated icon and gtk theme
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  • [20:52:59] <DJWillis> florian: yep, I just wonder where Matchbox is going (if anywhere).
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  • [20:53:42] <florian> DJWillis: Yes that might be interesting, but I guess there is some way at least...
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  • [21:00:39] <mzeltner> Anyone else experiences problems with audio channel positioning? L/R seem to switch around randomly
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  • [21:06:15] <_av500_> mzeltner: random channel switch can be caused by wrong sync polarity
  • [21:06:35] <_av500_> sender and receiver sampling on diffrent edges
  • [21:06:45] <mzeltner> How would I investigate/fix that?
  • [21:06:57] <_av500_> check mcbsp and codec config
  • [21:07:12] <ds2> isn't this on the 4030?
  • [21:07:29] <_av500_> in case of stock bb yes
  • [21:08:07] <ds2> AFAIK, the current driver has the right edge settings
  • [21:08:16] <_av500_> ds2: i would assume so
  • [21:08:48] <mru> I have a vague recollection of people reporting such errors a year ago or more
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  • [21:08:49] <mzeltner> Huh
  • [21:08:49] <ds2> But to add to your list, wrong sample size could also have the effect (alsa thinks it is one thing, the McBSP thinks otherwise)
  • [21:08:54] <_av500_> yes
  • [21:09:02] <mzeltner> It's a R3 board with Ubuntu Karmic on it
  • [21:09:10] <mzeltner> I had the same problem with Angstr??m though
  • [21:09:18] <ds2> wtf is a R3 board?
  • [21:09:29] <mzeltner> Eh sorry, C3
  • [21:09:34] <mzeltner> I've been up all night, bear with me :)
  • [21:09:49] <_av500_> np
  • [21:09:54] <ds2> so this is a 4030 CODEC thingie
  • [21:09:55] <_av500_> ive been up all day :)
  • [21:10:12] <ds2> turn on McBSP and ALSA debugging ;)
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  • [21:11:40] <topi_> ARM gurus here? what's the maximum branch that you can do with armv7? in old ARMs you'd have to do a 24 bit branch
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  • [21:11:54] <topi_> (I'm writing ARM support for the ghc linker)
  • [21:12:13] <ds2> you in pasadena?
  • [21:13:45] <mru> topi_: branch instructions haven't changed since v5T
  • [21:15:59] <topi_> mru, right
  • [21:16:16] <mru> ok, thumb2 adds some more variants too
  • [21:16:21] <topi_> so I need to implement a jump island after the func just as on powerpc?
  • [21:16:38] <topi_> since powerpc rel branches have effectively a 24bit range and thats it
  • [21:17:01] <mru> if the target might be more than 24 bits away, you'll have to bounce it
  • [21:17:43] <topi_> what does that mean? (i'm looking at bdf/elf32.c to see the different relocations of ELF-arm)
  • [21:17:47] <mru> it's 26 bits actually
  • [21:17:52] <mru> the offset is multiplied by 4
  • [21:18:03] <topi_> yeah, to align at a word boundary
  • [21:18:36] <topi_> maybe 26 bits would be sufficient, since the beagle only has 28 bits worth of memory anyway ;)
  • [21:18:56] <mru> if you need to jump more than 26 bits, you have to land somewhere in range, load the target address into a register and jump to that
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  • [21:19:16] <topi_> mru, exactly, that's what you have jump islands for on the powerpc
  • [21:19:18] <_av500_> or find a wormhole
  • [21:19:38] <topi_> it's a small region of memory behind the real func code, where the branches will be landing, and there the register loading will be done
  • [21:19:58] <mru> a good linker will resolve in-range branches directly
  • [21:20:10] <topi_> unfortunately the only arch where i have experience hacking on linkers, is powerpc...
  • [21:20:13] <mru> and only use jump islands for the out of range targets
  • [21:20:28] <topi_> exactly
  • [21:20:38] <_av500_> or A20 gate...
  • [21:20:38] <topi_> but then you need to write the support code to create jump islands
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  • [21:20:39] <mru> any architecture with fixed-size instructions has this problem
  • [21:20:52] <topi_> oh, that's why they don't use jump islands on the x86...
  • [21:20:57] <mru> unless the instructions are wider than the address bus
  • [21:21:01] <mru> but that would be stupid
  • [21:21:47] <topi_> mru: or the IA64, where instructions are 41 bits, but packed to 128 bit bundles :)
  • [21:22:05] <mru> ia64 has more than 41 bits virtual address space
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  • [21:22:52] <mru> ia64 is sort of vliw
  • [21:22:56] <ds2> can't you just load a value into a register and load that register into PC to effect the jump?
  • [21:23:04] <mru> ds2: yes, you can
  • [21:23:10] <mru> but then the compiler would have to generate such code
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  • [21:23:22] <ds2> ah...silly compilers
  • [21:23:49] <mru> gcc has an option for that
  • [21:23:52] <mru> -mlong-calls
  • [21:23:57] <mru> but don't use that
  • [21:24:10] <ds2> it makes all jumps like that?
  • [21:24:30] <mru> only ones that can't be known to be within direct jump range
  • [21:24:30] <topi_> uh, i probably also need to add an instruction to invalidate insn cache... since we're modifying code in the loader
  • [21:24:36] <mru> calls to external functions basically
  • [21:24:49] <mru> topi_: there's a system call for that
  • [21:25:05] <topi_> oh?
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  • [21:25:07] <_av500_> mzeltner: i still think a random channel swap is strange
  • [21:25:32] <topi_> mru, as far as i remember, on the ppc elf loader, they use an asm sequence
  • [21:26:00] <mru> the arm cache maintenance instructions are privileged
  • [21:26:05] <mru> hence the syscall
  • [21:26:58] <topi_> ah, that's why
  • [21:27:00] <ds2> aren't all those done by the mcr/mrc instructions?
  • [21:27:23] <mru> yes
  • [21:27:31] <mru> but those mcr instructions are privileged
  • [21:27:36] <mru> so there's a syscall to do it
  • [21:27:40] <mru> dammit, just use the syscall
  • [21:27:44] <ds2> *nod*
  • [21:27:53] <ds2> just wanted to confirm what I ran across before
  • [21:28:32] <mru> you have to clean the d-cache and invalidate the i-cache
  • [21:28:39] <mru> to the point of unification
  • [21:28:45] <mru> i.e. L2
  • [21:29:58] <ds2> what's to prevent such a syscall from being used to bias things to win a race condition?
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  • [21:32:25] <mru> nothing
  • [21:32:53] <mru> what makes that any more useful for such manipulations than anything else you might do?
  • [21:33:27] <ds2> for a security point of view, it could be less noticeable
  • [21:33:45] <ds2> syscall() sleep() syscall() sleep... is not as likely to show up on top as while(1);
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  • [21:41:17] <mru> ds2: what makes the cache cleaning syscall any more stealthy than others?
  • [21:41:56] <ds2> mru: any other calls that is likely to slow down everything else w/o charging a lot of CPU to your process?
  • [21:42:12] <ds2> most other slow down methods charge time to your process
  • [21:42:31] <ds2> (yes, I have tried running the OMAP's with the cache disabled)
  • [21:42:41] <mru> it doesn't invalidate the entire cache
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  • [21:42:52] <mru> only lines caching the range you tell it
  • [21:43:31] <ds2> thought it flushes the entire thing or did that depend on the type of cache?
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  • [21:44:13] <mzeltner> _av500_: Right, me too
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  • [21:45:18] <mzeltner> ds2: In regards to alsa debug, just trying to find how to do that, the only thing I can find though is recompiling with --with-debug
  • [21:45:18] <ds2> prehaps try porting the EVM kernel?
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  • [21:45:28] <_av500_> i had that in the past and then it was wrong clock edge
  • [21:46:00] <ds2> mzeltner: I was thinking more of peppering the alsa support stuff with printk's or stepping through it with a JTAG debugger
  • [21:46:02] <_av500_> unless it was lr swapped forever, that we fix once per generation
  • [21:46:20] <_av500_> ds2: using jtag to stop the codec :)
  • [21:46:51] <ds2> _av500_: if I had to do this, I'd ask for a board with wires on the McBSP to look at it with a LA
  • [21:47:01] <_av500_> metoo
  • [21:47:44] <mzeltner> _av500_: I'm looping a .wav file and it would switch channels when it rewinds, not always but sometimes
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  • [21:47:51] <mru> ds2: it's all in cache-v7.S
  • [21:47:55] <_av500_> is the twl mcbsp on the expansion pins?
  • [21:47:56] <mru> v7_coherent_user_range
  • [21:47:59] <mru> for armv7 that is
  • [21:48:25] <ds2> mru: doh... sorry, I was thinking in general for the ARM arch as the cache tends to vary prior to armv7
  • [21:48:38] <ds2> _av500_: nope
  • [21:48:53] <_av500_> mzeltner: but it is stable while playing the file?
  • [21:49:14] <ds2> if the EVM official kernel hasn't switched to the L-O driver, that might give some datapoints
  • [21:49:19] <mzeltner> Yeah, unless I run for example alsamixer or ctl
  • [21:49:34] <_av500_> hmm
  • [21:49:42] <ds2> turning on the noise burst debugging also helps
  • [21:49:44] <_av500_> then i suspect more sw like dma setup
  • [21:50:15] <ds2> if memory serves, the McBSP DMA had some funny calculations
  • [21:50:34] <ds2> off by 2 or 1 might create this effect
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  • [21:51:37] <mru> ds2: I didn't check the older ones
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  • [21:52:28] <_av500_> ds2: could depend on whether dma runs dry while song rewinds or not
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  • [21:52:51] <_av500_> in one case it starts aligned, in other there are 2 more bytes and it swaps
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  • [21:53:11] <_av500_> mzeltner: when you dont loop, you have that too?
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  • [21:53:31] <_av500_> and, did you try other files?
  • [21:53:37] <mzeltner> Yeah I did
  • [21:53:49] <mzeltner> Happens with every sound output that I tried so far
  • [21:54:03] <_av500_> hmm
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  • [21:54:24] <ds2> mzeltner: what player?
  • [21:54:26] <mzeltner> It usually starts with lr being swapped and then I mess with it during playing and it's fine
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  • [21:54:46] <mzeltner> gstreamer, madplay, pyaudio, all sorts
  • [21:54:46] <mru> ds2: on armv6 it seems to clean d-cache by address, then invalidate entire i-cache
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  • [21:55:10] <_av500_> mzeltner: ok
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  • [21:55:22] <ds2> mru: that might be what I looked at; if memory serves, this was in the preOMAP3 days
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  • [21:55:51] <ds2> mzeltner: tried OSS emulation w/cat?
  • [21:55:51] <_av500_> mzeltner: still they all use alsa
  • [21:55:52] <_av500_> i guess
  • [21:55:53] <mru> I doubt it poses much of a risk anyway
  • [21:56:37] <_av500_> yes simple test player with /dev/dsp could help
  • [21:58:01] <_av500_> to rule out all fancy userland
  • [21:59:29] <ds2> mru: there was some issue on the hyperthreaded x86's relating to cache interaction between the two cores
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