• [00:00:02] <Ceriand|desktop> so you can't just use ohm's law to accurately model it
  • [00:00:02] * snowman cries...
  • [00:00:15] <snowman> how is a diode non-linear?
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  • [00:00:48] <Ceriand|desktop> the graph of voltage vs. current isn't a straight line
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  • [00:00:56] <rtennill1> the current through a diode doesn't vary...gah ceriand beat me :)
  • [00:01:17] <Ceriand|desktop> rtennill1: it does, but for digital circuits it doesn't really matter
  • [00:01:24] <awozniak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_system
  • [00:01:27] <snowman> how is that possible? how can it drop voltage but not circuit?
  • [00:01:30] <rtennill1> well i was going to say doesn't vary linearly
  • [00:01:43] <snowman> but not current*
  • [00:02:09] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: it does, but not by the same amount for every voltage
  • [00:02:24] <awozniak> snowman:resistors drop voltage but not current.
  • [00:02:34] <Ceriand|desktop> so the difference in current from 1A-1.1A is diff than 0.2-0.3A
  • [00:02:45] <Ceriand|desktop> err voltage
  • [00:02:45] <snowman> oh
  • [00:03:04] <snowman> jeezuz
  • [00:03:11] <rtennill1> if you see a picture of current-vs-voltage you'll see it
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  • [00:03:25] <snowman> well i'ma go cry over this over some pizza so i'll b back later
  • [00:03:35] <snowman> thanks for the help... :-$
  • [00:04:09] <zedx> i'll take a slice! :-)
  • [00:04:11] <Ceriand|desktop> np
  • [00:04:22] <snowman> never!
  • [00:04:46] <awozniak> snowman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diode-IV-Curve.svg
  • [00:04:57] <zedx> jezzz.. us old techs never get a break ;-)
  • [00:05:14] * Ceriand|desktop is still amazed he remembers device physics
  • [00:05:54] <zedx> LOL yep! they drilled me for months to get it right
  • [00:06:16] <rtennill1> i bet lol, i only took the course over the summer so pretty fresh but it was a rough summer
  • [00:06:24] <Ceriand|desktop> I'm the only EE in our software group
  • [00:06:41] <rtennill1> someday i'll grow up to be an EE, or so they tell me
  • [00:06:51] <zedx> ha he
  • [00:06:54] <Ceriand|desktop> and I mainly studied device physics and fabrication
  • [00:07:02] <rtennill1> nice what school?
  • [00:07:07] <Ceriand|desktop> UC Davis
  • [00:07:13] <zedx> i'm a repair tech,
  • [00:07:15] <rtennill1> cool
  • [00:07:26] <zedx> ontario, Canada
  • [00:07:43] <Ceriand|desktop> I got to use the clean room fab they have there, that was pretty cool
  • [00:07:43] <rtennill1> Univ. Illinois @ uiuc here
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  • [00:08:20] <rtennill1> hm so when i send in that make modules_install with the install path set it wants to restart config?
  • [00:08:43] <Ceriand|desktop> obligatory bunny suit pic: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v67/50/65/3228984/n3228984_33148815_8138.jpg
  • [00:09:02] <Ceriand|desktop> rtennill1: make sure you have ARCH set to arm too
  • [00:09:28] <zedx> nice!
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  • [00:11:40] <zedx> my beagle board reminds me of my zx81 computer ;-)
  • [00:12:12] <zedx> 1k ram, 8krom ... beat that LOL'
  • [00:12:35] <Ceriand|desktop> heh, my first 'computer' was a TI-86
  • [00:12:56] <Ceriand|desktop> I thought I was hot stuff in 8th grade doing asm for the Z80
  • [00:13:07] <zedx> oh yea, i had one of those.. 64k was'nt it, and good graphics
  • [00:13:15] <Ceriand|desktop> something like that
  • [00:13:30] <zedx> then commy 64 ha ha
  • [00:13:34] <Ceriand|desktop> I got a ti-89 after that
  • [00:13:40] <zedx> apple
  • [00:13:41] <Ceriand|desktop> and have been using it since
  • [00:13:51] <zedx> then 286
  • [00:14:14] <zedx> still?
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  • [00:14:45] <swarbiv> i've got a boot question
  • [00:14:48] <Ceriand|desktop> for a calculator at least
  • [00:14:57] * Ceriand|desktop hugs his HW1 ti-89
  • [00:15:20] <swarbiv> hello?
  • [00:15:28] <archae0pteryx> TI-994a FTW
  • [00:15:31] <archae0pteryx> Hi
  • [00:15:31] <Ceriand|desktop> just ask, don't ask to ask
  • [00:15:39] <zedx> waiting..
  • [00:15:41] <swarbiv> ah!
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  • [00:16:48] <swarbiv> ok, so i've droped an extracted angstrom image on an ext2 partition of my 4GB micro sdcard, the other partition is 50 MB with the uImage, MLO, etc.bin
  • [00:16:56] <rtennill1> doesn't seem that to find the cross-compiler http://pastebin.com/m68eda583 but it is there when called on 2nd to last line
  • [00:17:01] <swarbiv> i've flagged the 2nd partition with "boot"
  • [00:17:05] <swarbiv> but it doesn't
  • [00:17:34] <zedx> the first partition is boot
  • [00:17:40] <rtennill1> was MLO the first file on the boot partition
  • [00:17:46] <zedx> yes
  • [00:17:47] <swarbiv> sorry, actually the 1st partition is the boot
  • [00:18:05] <swarbiv> i think i randomly copied/pasted
  • [00:18:12] <swarbiv> does the order matter?
  • [00:18:22] <zedx> drop MLO first , and yes!
  • [00:18:24] <rtennill1> they say it does, MLO is bootloader
  • [00:18:27] <swarbiv> :)
  • [00:18:31] <rtennill1> it gets u-boot going
  • [00:18:33] <Ceriand|desktop> rtennill1: CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- ARCH=arm INSTALL_MOD_PATH=arm-mods make modules_install
  • [00:18:47] <swarbiv> ok, how do i tell the beagleboard to load from flash
  • [00:18:51] <Ceriand|desktop> that will put it in the arm-mods folder in your kernel dir
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  • [00:19:09] <Ceriand|desktop> you'll need to copy them from there to your target SD card
  • [00:19:37] <swarbiv> do i "need" the serial interface?
  • [00:19:55] <swarbiv> ok, so lets say if have the files in order on my sd card
  • [00:20:07] <swarbiv> do i have to do anything special to boot?
  • [00:20:13] <zedx> copy MLO, then close the folder, then you can drop in the other files
  • [00:20:15] <GrizzlyAdams> once you have it booting on its own, you don't need serial anymore
  • [00:20:41] <swarbiv> wait, so i do need a serial cable? my macbook doesn't have one
  • [00:20:46] <GrizzlyAdams> i think with the MLO, other files, and a custom made boot.scr you can make it boot without ever needing a serial cable
  • [00:20:55] <GrizzlyAdams> also, you can use usb to get at the uboot console
  • [00:21:30] <swarbiv> how do i setup that?
  • [00:21:37] <zedx> also you may want to hold down user button
  • [00:21:44] <zedx> durring boot...
  • [00:21:57] <swarbiv> hold for how long?
  • [00:22:05] <zedx> just a min or so
  • [00:22:15] <swarbiv> i see a beagle for about 10 seconds, then it just freezes at the paw
  • [00:22:21] <zedx> durring powerup
  • [00:22:35] <zedx> yep, thats standard
  • [00:23:48] <swarbiv> alright, i'm not sure where i can get a boot.scr
  • [00:24:13] <swarbiv> anyone know?
  • [00:24:14] <GrizzlyAdams> its a text file thats had a uimage header applied
  • [00:24:26] <zedx> time for dinner..http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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  • [00:26:23] <dmytty> I've seen reference to PTM on the beagleboard...
  • [00:26:54] <dmytty> Specifically a request to add it to omap 4 version of bb....what is PTM?
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  • [00:30:20] <Beagle8> About the PTM...?
  • [00:31:28] <snowman> why does an atmega328 have both EEPROM and flash memory?
  • [00:31:58] <GrizzlyAdams> eeprom is for settings, flash is for programs on the atmega
  • [00:32:08] <Ceriand|desktop> you can reprogramm the EEPROM a lot more times before it wears out
  • [00:32:34] <GrizzlyAdams> and in theory if the eeprom gets blanked somehow, your program (in flash) should still be able to recover
  • [00:32:44] <snowman> so what type of things would you store in eeprom? and is the bootloader on flash or eeprom?
  • [00:33:27] <GrizzlyAdams> non-vital but semi-permanent data
  • [00:34:25] <GrizzlyAdams> also, depending on the eeprom implemented, i think eeprom is single byte erase/program, where flash is page erase/program
  • [00:34:28] <Beagle8> <dmytty>
  • [00:34:44] <snowman> page = ?
  • [00:35:41] <GrizzlyAdams> most flash devices you have to erase pages (groups of 512 or more bytes) or sectors (groups of pages) as a whole, you can't just erase (reset to all 1's) a single byte
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  • [00:36:43] <snowman> oh ok, is that because of a limitation of addressable bytes or something?
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  • [00:37:06] <GrizzlyAdams> its just because of the different topologies in the cell makeup
  • [00:37:18] <snowman> ok
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  • [00:38:46] <awozniak> snowman: the ATMegas are "harvard architecture" microcontrollers with seperate program and data memories. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture
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  • [00:39:36] <GrizzlyAdams> in most cases even with harvard architecture, you have instructions or device ports that let you read/write flash
  • [00:40:02] <snowman|laptop> oh ok
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  • [00:41:07] <snowman|laptop> would you guys suggest I learning programming in depth or continue with basic/intermediate electronics theory?
  • [00:42:06] <awozniak> snowman|laptop: depends on what you want to do.
  • [00:42:35] <awozniak> snowman|laptop: how old are you?
  • [00:42:39] <snowman|laptop> haha I knew that was gonna be the answer... but I want to do both which is the problem
  • [00:42:50] <snowman|laptop> just turned 15 at the end of september
  • [00:43:01] <dmytty> I just registered on IRC so I may have missed any responses to my beagleboard PTM question
  • [00:43:08] <awozniak> Many places offer "computer engineering" which is a combination of both.
  • [00:43:11] <dmytty> Specifically, what is PTM?
  • [00:43:16] <awozniak> you don't have to choose one or the other.
  • [00:43:40] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman|laptop: if you have a firm grasp of algebra, I'd learn the electronics stuff and some assembly
  • [00:43:53] <Ceriand|desktop> though, I'm a EE so I'm a little biased
  • [00:44:25] <Ceriand|desktop> I would also design your own toy CPU at least once
  • [00:44:34] <Ceriand|desktop> you learn a lot that way
  • [00:44:48] <snowman|laptop> but I always veer off because I find everything interesting... like if I study c++, then I see buffer overflows, then I see JS injections and then I end up somewhere completely differnet
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  • [00:45:27] <snowman|laptop> and designing my own processor seems pretty daunting...
  • [00:46:13] <Ceriand|desktop> it's not that bad
  • [00:46:27] <Ceriand|desktop> particularly if you use an FPGA
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  • [00:46:34] <snowman|laptop> ...
  • [00:46:57] <snowman|laptop> after reading about digital electronics, will a lot of this come together?
  • [00:47:03] <Ceriand|desktop> an FPGA is a re-programmable chip
  • [00:47:14] <snowman|laptop> oh
  • [00:47:14] <Ceriand|desktop> it can be any chip you program it to be
  • [00:47:33] <snowman|laptop> is it a memory chip or microcontroller or what?
  • [00:47:42] <Ceriand|desktop> neither and both :)
  • [00:47:54] <GrizzlyAdams> Ceriand|desktop: you stole my words :(
  • [00:48:06] <snowman|laptop> well can it process stuff?
  • [00:48:21] <Ceriand|desktop> if you program it to do so
  • [00:48:28] <GrizzlyAdams> its a memory chip on steroids, that remembers logic patterns
  • [00:48:31] <Ceriand|desktop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
  • [00:48:33] <snowman|laptop> ...
  • [00:48:45] <snowman|laptop> I'm about to cry lol
  • [00:48:48] <GrizzlyAdams> you feed signals in, the logic you program does its work, and spits out processed signals
  • [00:48:49] <Ceriand|desktop> it's what chip designers use to prototype their designs
  • [00:49:24] <GrizzlyAdams> you can make cpus, memory, complex peripherals, whole computers even.
  • [00:49:46] <Ceriand|desktop> the cortex-a8 was first debugged on an FPGA
  • [00:49:53] <snowman|laptop> I just need to start at DC then digital then start with this stuff
  • [00:50:00] <Ceriand|desktop> so they could work out the bugs before they made it in silicon
  • [00:50:08] <GrizzlyAdams> there was a commodore 64 clone implemented entirely in a fpga/cpld
  • [00:50:26] <snowman|laptop> how can you program logic? doesn't it take hardware to perform logic?
  • [00:50:30] <Ceriand|desktop> an FPGA is a chip that can be any other chip you program it to be
  • [00:51:09] <snowman|laptop> ...
  • [00:51:13] <snowman|laptop> uggg..
  • [00:51:14] <Ceriand|desktop> any group of logic gates with n inputs and m outputs can be represented by a ram with n address lines an m output bits
  • [00:51:41] <Ceriand|desktop> in fpgas they're called LUTs (look-up tables)
  • [00:52:20] <Ceriand|desktop> s/an/and
  • [00:52:43] <GrizzlyAdams> with enough LUTs in parallel you can make just about any series of logic gates you want
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  • [00:53:47] <GrizzlyAdams> enough logic gates and you have a cpu, memory chip, etc
  • [00:54:35] <snowman|laptop> ...
  • [00:54:40] <snowman|laptop> :'-(
  • [00:55:09] <snowman|laptop> where did you guys learn about this stuff???
  • [00:55:24] <GrizzlyAdams> 20 years of taking things apart for fun
  • [00:55:38] <snowman|laptop> would a BB even useful for me since I don
  • [00:55:44] <snowman|laptop> t know half this stuff?
  • [00:56:02] <snowman|laptop> useful/fun*
  • [00:56:08] <GrizzlyAdams> heh, it can be
  • [00:56:27] <GrizzlyAdams> heck, i know all this stuff and i'm doing mundane things like building a tabletop arcade game
  • [00:57:02] <snowman|laptop> I had a buttload of fun w/ my arduino but a BB is more software oriented isn't it?
  • [00:57:26] <ds2> arcade?
  • [00:57:27] <Ceriand|desktop> yea, it's more like a real computer
  • [00:57:32] <ds2> PacMan 2009?
  • [00:57:52] <GrizzlyAdams> a space shooter
  • [00:57:57] <snowman|laptop> also how is a BB any different than a computer? What could I do with that I couldn't do with my laptop and/or computer?
  • [00:58:25] <ds2> like xpilot?
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  • [00:58:56] <snowman|laptop> ummmm idk what that is :-)
  • [00:58:58] <ds2> snowman|laptop: completely encapsulate it and not have it overheat
  • [00:59:01] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman|laptop: mainly it's the size and cost that's different
  • [00:59:19] <ds2> Run native arm apps
  • [00:59:30] <GrizzlyAdams> your ship moves around the Z axis, and ships fly at you from the Z origin
  • [00:59:54] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm not gonna say what the game is, cause i'm just now getting permission for the artwork
  • [01:00:40] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: have you seen xpilot?
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  • [01:01:05] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman|laptop: these are the notes from my digital design class: http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~bbaas/180a/
  • [01:01:50] <Ceriand|desktop> for what it's worth
  • [01:02:04] <snowman|laptop> jeeze... thats college stuff :-O
  • [01:02:21] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: yes
  • [01:02:29] <GrizzlyAdams> http://hackaday.com/2009/08/09/neo-geo-mini-arcade/ <- thats the type cabinet i'm making
  • [01:03:20] <ds2> I remember those things
  • [01:03:36] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman|laptop: yes, but it's for someone who hasn't been exposed to digital circuits
  • [01:03:37] <GrizzlyAdams> thats someone else's homebuilt
  • [01:03:39] <ds2> played Donkey Kong on those tiny things before... wasn't even LCD based
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  • [01:04:23] <ds2> back then, some company made similar units commercially
  • [01:04:36] <GrizzlyAdams> trying to decide if i want to get panels cut by ponoko, or what
  • [01:04:53] <ds2> just by a cutter :)
  • [01:05:16] <GrizzlyAdams> i am *horrible* at cutting holes in things and having them not look like crap
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  • [01:07:45] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: not if it is computer controlled
  • [01:08:12] <GrizzlyAdams> this is just my prototype, i've already gotten folks wanting me to build ones for them when i get this one done
  • [01:08:44] <ds2> what kind of display are you using?
  • [01:08:59] <GrizzlyAdams> 4.5" lcd (and not a very good one)
  • [01:09:28] <ds2> are you running the game natively or is this really a emulator running the real game?
  • [01:09:33] <GrizzlyAdams> the first commission piece will use either a PS1 lcd or an automotive lcd
  • [01:09:39] <GrizzlyAdams> game is gonna be native.
  • [01:09:57] <ds2> beatiful
  • [01:09:58] <GrizzlyAdams> its already written for opengl es
  • [01:10:09] <ds2> do you really mean a PS1 LCD?
  • [01:10:16] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
  • [01:10:33] <GrizzlyAdams> they are easy to interface with
  • [01:10:41] <ds2> is the S-Video clean enough for the PS1?
  • [01:10:50] <GrizzlyAdams> ps1 lcds use rgb
  • [01:11:09] <ds2> IIRC, it can also take composite or s-video
  • [01:11:31] <GrizzlyAdams> well everyone who's modding them seems to be using rgb
  • [01:11:48] <ds2> then how are you driving it from the beagle?
  • [01:12:04] <GrizzlyAdams> the ps1 versions will have a dac attached to the lcd bus
  • [01:12:18] <GrizzlyAdams> right now my gamecube lcd based prototype is using svideo
  • [01:12:32] <ds2> ah...
  • [01:12:45] <GrizzlyAdams> which works, but has some ripple from either chroma or luma noise
  • [01:12:56] <ds2> *nod* that's what I was alluding to
  • [01:13:19] <ds2> are you soldering the cable directly to the PS1 board to do it?
  • [01:13:21] <GrizzlyAdams> i think i can tap the chroma in separately, instead of using composite like i am right now
  • [01:13:28] <GrizzlyAdams> yep
  • [01:14:04] <ds2> messy :)
  • [01:20:44] <rtennill1> ok all going to eat and drink myself to oblivion.
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  • [02:43:08] <jamble> does the beagleboard support sdhc cards?
  • [02:45:29] <GrizzlyAdams> yes, sdhc is just new commands for talking to the card, thus software
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  • [02:46:39] <jamble> does it boot from flash on the board itself or does it boot from the SDHC?
  • [02:47:41] <GrizzlyAdams> either.
  • [02:48:49] <jamble> does it come with a linux distro, or do you have to download one seperately?
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  • [02:54:48] <GrizzlyAdams> i don't think one is flashed to the nand from the factory
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  • [02:55:27] <snowman|laptop> why don't computers nowadays have rs232?
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  • [02:56:31] <jamble> so for 150 bucks I basically get a a tiny little working linux computer, that seems like a pretty sweet deal.
  • [02:56:39] <ds2> it is a conspiracy to sell people as expensive as an item while being as useless as problem
  • [02:57:07] <snowman|laptop> what if you want to debug the boot (or whatever)?
  • [02:57:17] <ds2> this is reinforced by the use of software that consume all available resources as fast asyou can add while preventing the system from doing anything
  • [02:57:48] <ds2> afterall, the more useless system you can con people into buying, the more jobs you create and the better the economy is
  • [02:58:08] <ds2> add some software ballast and you have economic nivana!
  • [02:58:19] <jamble> any particular reason you don't actua;;y like the board? or are u just ranting?
  • [02:59:07] <ds2> me? not like the board?
  • [02:59:18] <snowman|laptop> so pretty much you would have to design you're own board if you wanted to be able to debug or upload your own bootloader?
  • [02:59:32] <ds2> huh?
  • [02:59:36] <snowman|laptop> nm
  • [02:59:52] <ds2> the beagle board bootloader can be debugged and/or uploaded as-is in probally over 10 different ways
  • [03:00:17] <snowman|laptop> no I'm talking about x86 commercial motherboards
  • [03:01:04] <jamble> can the beagle board be JTAGed like TI's other chips with Code composer studio
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  • [03:02:25] <ds2> it can be JTAG'ed, donno about CCS
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  • [03:04:21] <jamble> the board seems pretty sweet. i think im going to buy one
  • [03:05:28] <jamble> is anyone using the beagleboard to talk to the channel?
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  • [03:10:07] <ds2> sometimes jkidner does
  • [03:10:16] <ds2> I prefer to use it serve slides ;)
  • [03:13:15] <GrizzlyAdams> :D got the lcd working nicely now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyhntjxCHk
  • [03:18:13] <ds2> congrats!
  • [03:18:20] <ds2> which display driver are you using?
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  • [03:20:24] <snowman|laptop> GrizzlyAdams: great job man! what was wrong with it?
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  • [03:22:19] <snowman|laptop> anyone know what was wrong with grizzly's lcd?
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  • [04:18:20] <Animule> http://208.116.9.205/10/content/20319/1.gif
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  • [04:31:22] <GrizzlyAdams> getting the settings right was a pain
  • [04:31:46] <GrizzlyAdams> http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:KQJxR9nykzwJ:www.gp32x.com/board/index.php%3F/blog/2-jfr-projects/+omapfb.mode+tv&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
  • [04:31:57] <GrizzlyAdams> thats where i ended up finding the right settings :/
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  • [04:40:42] <GrizzlyAdams> with a little tweaking it will display on both tv and dvi
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  • [04:47:24] <jkridner|work> experiments in <video> tag and Theora land: http://www.beagleboard.org/static/videos/
  • [04:47:54] <sakoman> "your browser does not support the video tag"
  • [04:48:24] <sakoman> Firefox 3.0.15
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  • [04:54:05] <ajay> hi good morning to all
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  • [05:44:16] <snowman> anyone know how to autoexecute commands once you log into an ssh session?
  • [05:46:33] <ds> ssh ls or add stuff to .profile
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  • [05:51:46] <snowman> ssh ls?
  • [05:53:12] <ds> ssh host ls
  • [05:54:30] <snowman> where would I add the .profile?
  • [05:55:17] <raster> ssh host rm -rf /
  • [05:55:20] <raster> that works wonders
  • [05:55:39] <snowman> haha
  • [05:55:42] <snowman> good one
  • [05:56:21] <snowman> I'm trying to get it to change to C:\ on my windows box
  • [05:56:24] <snowman> in openssh
  • [05:56:45] <raster> ugh
  • [05:56:47] <raster> there's your problem
  • [05:56:50] <raster> a windows box
  • [05:56:55] <snowman> yah i've noticed
  • [05:57:02] <raster> i see enough develoeprs doing dev for linux devices.. from their windows boxes
  • [05:57:11] <raster> and its a wonderful never-ending stream of problems
  • [05:57:29] <snowman> I can get to the windows command prompt but I need to find something that auto-executes a cd to /
  • [05:57:35] <raster> life is so much better when u just dont have to deal with windows
  • [05:57:54] <snowman> I know but I have a gaming system and linux != gaming
  • [05:58:10] <raster> sure
  • [05:58:18] <raster> thats about the only reason to really keep windows
  • [05:58:24] <snowman> pretty much...
  • [05:58:32] <raster> well that -plus the odd "stupid windows only app"
  • [05:58:34] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman: linux == gaming!
  • [05:58:46] <snowman> wth are you talking about grizzly?
  • [05:58:48] <GrizzlyAdams> there are multiple arcade machines out that run on linux
  • [05:58:49] <snowman> don't say WINE
  • [05:58:53] <snowman> rofl
  • [05:59:08] <raster> eg some comapnies insist on some active-x based wiondows only executable to be able to send you files, even tho u have an nda - they have stupid proceedures
  • [05:59:22] <raster> GrizzlyAdams: you know what he means
  • [05:59:28] <raster> go to your local gamestop or whatewver game store
  • [05:59:35] <GrizzlyAdams> pff
  • [05:59:35] <raster> u wil lget ps3, xbox, wiii, ds, psp titles
  • [05:59:41] <raster> but will uf find anything for linux?
  • [05:59:42] <raster> never.
  • [05:59:53] <snowman> is there a way to stay in the ssh session after: ssh 127.0.0.1 cd / ?
  • [05:59:53] <raster> will wine sanely be able to install and run the game? very unlikely
  • [05:59:53] <GrizzlyAdams> i bought quake3 for linux at gamestop
  • [06:00:05] <raster> GrizzlyAdams: a rare exception
  • [06:00:11] <raster> linxu si capable of gaming
  • [06:00:13] <snowman> yah and UT3 works on linux but those are like the only 2
  • [06:00:14] <GrizzlyAdams> and wine runs so good you can even install personal antivirus and other malware on it!
  • [06:00:15] <raster> nothing wrong with it there
  • [06:00:24] <raster> problem is... games are just not written for it/supported
  • [06:00:28] <raster> not the titles you want
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  • [06:00:37] <raster> and wine doesnt work so well
  • [06:00:40] <snowman> is there a way to stay in the ssh session after: ssh 127.0.0.1 cd / ?
  • [06:00:43] <raster> trust me - i've tried many games under it
  • [06:00:47] <raster> bunk
  • [06:00:48] <raster> total bunk
  • [06:00:56] <ag> what is BCUS and DCUS
  • [06:01:06] <GrizzlyAdams> i just had a dell mini 9 come into my work cause someone managed to get green av, personal av, alpha av, and av2009 on it (under linux!)
  • [06:01:13] <raster> i'll be happy if game companies actually bother to have linuxz ports
  • [06:01:30] <snowman> I'll be extatic but answer muh damn question plz
  • [06:01:39] <raster> but.. its not too relevant to me. if i game - i boot and play for maybe a few hrs. then boot back to linux for the rest of my life
  • [06:01:40] <raster> :)
  • [06:01:57] <snowman> lol too much of a hassle
  • [06:02:02] <raster> GrizzlyAdams: try games. its bunk.
  • [06:02:04] <ag> hello
  • [06:02:07] <raster> missing dx apis
  • [06:02:08] <snowman> hey ag
  • [06:02:12] <raster> msvc++ apis fucked
  • [06:02:19] <raster> otherwise things just crash or dont work
  • [06:02:24] <raster> its a pita
  • [06:02:25] <ag> anyone knows abt CUS package
  • [06:02:30] <ag> hey snowman
  • [06:02:42] <GrizzlyAdams> its not that hard, especially if you happened to catch crossover's free promo
  • [06:02:46] <snowman> ag: whats up?
  • [06:02:50] <raster> only game i have ever gotten to work is an old WoW install forcing its renderer to use opengl
  • [06:03:05] <ag> whats CUS
  • [06:03:07] <ag> BCUS
  • [06:03:09] <raster> i havent bothered with crossover or transgaming stuff
  • [06:03:23] <raster> i dont intend to pay for that unless i know for a fact it will 100% work
  • [06:03:37] <raster> and my experience with wine is that it is not going to behave well
  • [06:03:40] <raster> and not for games
  • [06:03:49] <raster> just in geenral it tried to emulated a windows ui where its on x
  • [06:03:53] <raster> and x just works differently
  • [06:03:53] <snowman> ag: whats the context?
  • [06:04:02] <raster> the hacks to try and emulate windows end up playing havoc with your wm
  • [06:04:14] <ag> in context with OMAP
  • [06:04:29] <raster> especially if the wm isnt just a run of the mill one that everyone uses and they dont have special detection and workarounds for it
  • [06:04:48] <GrizzlyAdams> raster: run amiwm!
  • [06:04:53] <snowman> sounds to me like a weird way to say because
  • [06:05:01] <GrizzlyAdams> as a bonus amiwm is crazy light
  • [06:05:37] <raster> GrizzlyAdams: no. will not.
  • [06:05:40] <snowman> how can I run an ssh session like ssh host command without it auto-quitting after completing?
  • [06:05:44] <raster> that is a no compromise for me
  • [06:05:48] <raster> i am not changing wm
  • [06:06:01] <raster> my wm is light anyway
  • [06:06:02] <raster> :)
  • [06:06:06] <GrizzlyAdams> personally i like ratpoison
  • [06:06:12] <raster> tho i have cpu and ram to burn
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  • [06:06:40] <raster> since i actually write my wm... buckleys of me using another one
  • [06:06:47] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: if you just want a command to run on login, but it the .profile in your home directory on the system you're ssh'ing into
  • [06:07:10] <Ceriand|desktop> /root if root, or /home/username otherwise
  • [06:07:21] <snowman> k I'll try that thnx
  • [06:07:38] <GrizzlyAdams> i wrote a wm once, back in 1995, entirely in TK/tcl
  • [06:08:25] <raster> ugh.. i remember tcltk
  • [06:08:35] <raster> i futzed with wish for a bit
  • [06:08:41] <raster> even wrote a half-arsed filemanager in it
  • [06:08:48] <raster> back about the same time
  • [06:08:59] <raster> but i cam to see the light. c + xlib. problem solved
  • [06:09:00] <raster> :)
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  • [06:18:38] <snowman> well I put a .profile into /home/snowman with no avail
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  • [06:21:24] <ajay> hi all, while installing debian with qemu i am getting kernel panic error http://pastebin.ca/1670881
  • [06:22:05] <ajay> /dev/sdb is sd card
  • [06:25:23] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: on the beagle it's probably /root
  • [06:25:30] <Ceriand|desktop> since you're logging in as root
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  • [06:28:45] <snowman> naw I'm on my desktop
  • [06:28:55] <ajay> solved above problem of kernel panic..
  • [06:30:36] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: if you're using bash as your shell, also try .bashrc or .bash_profile
  • [06:32:08] <snowman> the first command issued is switch which switchs the shell to cmd
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  • [07:36:21] <ajay> hi to all, i am installing debian using qemu but it is stopped at 75% of installing base system and sd card got auto mounted .is there any way to check that installation is stopped or is running
  • [07:36:47] <ajay> from last 15 minute it is showing preparing console data
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  • [08:33:23] <snowman> why don't amd and intel have data sheets for their processors?
  • [08:34:45] <ds> you mean like http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/320834.pdf
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  • [08:36:27] <snowman> yah
  • [08:36:40] <snowman> they aren't NEARLY as descriptive as other datasheets
  • [08:40:38] <snowman> If were going to get a BB, what would I need besides the BB, RS232 to USB cable, and a SD card?
  • [08:46:12] <mikhas> snowman, http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/embedded/beagleboard_getting_started.shtml#AdditionalHardware
  • [08:47:19] <snowman> holy crap
  • [08:47:27] <snowman> I dont have that much money!
  • [08:49:34] <ds2> it depends on what youwant to do
  • [08:49:48] <ds2> a RS232 port is probally the min.
  • [08:49:55] <ds2> SD card is nice but not needed
  • [08:50:59] <snowman> is SD and MMC the same?
  • [08:51:53] <ds2> no
  • [08:52:03] <ds2> but the BB can use both..
  • [08:52:20] <ds2> physically they are very similar
  • [08:52:34] <snowman> ok
  • [08:53:08] <snowman> since my computer doesn't have serial, would I just use this? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8580
  • [08:57:20] <Ceriand|desktop> you also need the power brick
  • [08:57:31] <Ceriand|desktop> the BB doesn't come with one
  • [08:57:53] <ds2> a proper USB power adapter worksjust fine
  • [08:58:07] <ds2> I just made one
  • [08:58:21] <ds2> dollar store USB cable, and a 2.1mm connector
  • [08:59:18] <ds2> it might work, donno for sure as I haven't tried it
  • [08:59:33] <ds2> the BB is a 3wire async interface so it isn't picky
  • [09:00:34] <snowman> usb power adapter?
  • [09:03:15] <snowman> like this? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8639
  • [09:03:28] <snowman> god I really need to get one and start messing around with it
  • [09:05:33] <snowman> Is there a large difference betwenn using s-video or dvi?
  • [09:05:46] <Ceriand|desktop> depends on the resolution
  • [09:05:54] <Ceriand|desktop> for 640x480 there isn't much
  • [09:06:06] <Ceriand|desktop> but if you want higher you're going to have to use dvi
  • [09:06:58] <snowman> wait svideo only goes to 640x480?
  • [09:07:07] <snowman> ohhhh nm
  • [09:07:08] <snowman> nm
  • [09:07:17] <snowman> wait nm plz answer the question
  • [09:07:27] <Ceriand|desktop> yes
  • [09:07:33] <Ceriand|desktop> a little less than that actually
  • [09:07:42] <snowman> really?? I thought svideo was a type of hi-def
  • [09:07:47] <snowman> :-/
  • [09:08:00] <Ceriand|desktop> it's higher-def than composite
  • [09:08:06] <Ceriand|desktop> but still 480i
  • [09:15:03] <snowman> http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/RevC1.htm in that pic, why would you need a null modem?
  • [09:15:36] <Ceriand|desktop> because the serial port on the BB is wired like a computer
  • [09:15:48] <Ceriand|desktop> so you need a null cable to connect it to another computer
  • [09:15:51] <Ceriand|desktop> as opposed to a device
  • [09:16:22] <snowman> ... how would they communicate differently?
  • [09:18:06] <Ceriand|desktop> the transmit and receive pins are switched
  • [09:18:23] <snowman> ohhhh, if it wasn't there the computer signal would just get passed on through the BB whereas the null-modem lets it communicate?
  • [09:19:07] <Ceriand|desktop> no, the null modem cable connects the transmit of the BB to the receive of the computer
  • [09:19:12] <Ceriand|desktop> and vice versa
  • [09:19:46] <Ceriand|desktop> otherwise it would be transmit to transmit and that wouldn't work and could potentially damage both devices
  • [09:19:53] <snowman> oh ok
  • [09:20:15] <snowman> can you program the BB through USB?
  • [09:20:22] <snowman> or is the usb in that pic for power?
  • [09:20:52] <Ceriand|desktop> both
  • [09:21:43] <snowman> how would you program it through USB?
  • [09:22:00] <snowman> you can't exactly initiate a serial session with it
  • [09:22:14] <Ceriand|desktop> you can actually
  • [09:22:24] <Ceriand|desktop> with the usb client port anyway
  • [09:22:30] <snowman> ?
  • [09:22:38] <snowman> can you do that on a normal PC?
  • [09:22:51] <Ceriand|desktop> no, normal pcs don't have client usb ports
  • [09:22:54] <Ceriand|desktop> only hosts
  • [09:23:03] <snowman> whats the diff?
  • [09:23:31] <Ceriand|desktop> you can't connect host to host or client to client together
  • [09:24:28] <snowman> can you initiate a serial session with a keyboard?
  • [09:24:31] <snowman> or a mouse?
  • [09:24:37] <snowman> or webcam?
  • [09:24:50] <Ceriand|desktop> what do you mean by serial session?
  • [09:25:49] <snowman> well read the output in a terminal through a program like putty
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  • [09:26:47] <snowman> instead of COM3, put like USB14 or something
  • [09:30:08] <snowman> like communicate with a keyboard the same way you would with an RS232. Like trade data back and forth (of course its useless for a keyboard to recieve information but you know what I mean)
  • [09:30:48] <Ceriand|desktop> for USB you need a host on one end of the cable and host/hub on the other
  • [09:31:11] <Ceriand|desktop> go read about USB on wikipedia
  • [09:32:42] <snowman> Well how could a person communicate with serial information to a USB device? that's my question
  • [09:32:59] <snowman> ohhhhh because its a one way street
  • [09:33:10] <snowman> client -> host
  • [09:33:12] <snowman> not
  • [09:33:20] <snowman> host -> client
  • [09:33:34] <Ceriand|desktop> you can communicate both ways
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  • [09:33:43] <Ceriand|desktop> it would be kind of useless without that
  • [09:33:54] <snowman> oh wait... nm... sory its 3:33am here
  • [09:34:07] <Ceriand|desktop> Like I said, goto wikipedia or google and read how usb works
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  • [09:39:17] <snowman> I don't understand how serial is different than USB
  • [09:39:27] <snowman> besides extra connectors for extra info
  • [09:39:44] <snowman> why would it need host/client if serial didn't?
  • [09:41:18] <Ceriand|desktop> because usb is more than just a communications channel like rs-232
  • [09:41:43] <Ceriand|desktop> it also has a configuration component so the computer knows what kind of device is connecting
  • [09:42:32] <snowman> :-/
  • [09:42:37] <snowman> how old are you?
  • [09:42:53] <Ceriand|desktop> 24, why?
  • [09:43:28] <snowman> I'm just wondering, I'm 24-15=9 years on me
  • [09:43:34] <snowman> when'd you get into this?
  • [09:44:02] <Ceriand|desktop> computers, or electronics?
  • [09:44:15] <snowman> both
  • [09:44:34] <Ceriand|desktop> I started using computers when I was 2
  • [09:44:49] <snowman> haha me too
  • [09:45:06] <snowman> but using is different than studying
  • [09:45:07] <rs__> i hadnt touched one until i was 24
  • [09:45:22] <snowman> rs__: how old are you?
  • [09:45:36] <rs__> next question
  • [09:45:40] <rs__> ;-)
  • [09:45:40] <Ceriand|desktop> hehe
  • [09:45:41] <snowman> rofl
  • [09:45:56] <snowman> but Ceri, when'd u start STUDYING computers
  • [09:46:14] <snowman> I've used computers since I was 2 but I started stuying them when I was 12-ish
  • [09:46:20] <Ceriand|desktop> I started programming 4th grade
  • [09:46:28] <Ceriand|desktop> or so
  • [09:46:34] <rs__> oh god!
  • [09:46:37] <snowman> like c++ or making webpages?
  • [09:46:47] <Ceriand|desktop> I did some LOGO stuff at school in 1st grade or so
  • [09:46:50] <Ceriand|desktop> qbasic
  • [09:46:58] <Ceriand|desktop> I started assembly in 8th grade
  • [09:47:44] <snowman> assembly = just learn the language or actually study how the processor works?
  • [09:47:52] <rs__> Ceriand|desktop: you make me feel as though am a 2 yr. old kid!
  • [09:47:54] <Ceriand|desktop> you really need to do both
  • [09:48:00] <snowman> I assumed...
  • [09:48:09] <snowman> god I need to friggin focus on 1 thing
  • [09:48:15] <snowman> rs__: i'm right there with you
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  • [09:48:42] <rs__> i dont need you here, you ask the wrong questions
  • [09:48:55] <rs__> lol
  • [09:49:06] <rs__> or too many questions
  • [09:49:19] <snowman> I know a little linux, security, electronics theory, protocols, programming, etc. but thats the thing, I know a little about a lot
  • [09:49:24] <snowman> bugs the crap out of me
  • [09:49:46] <snowman> my mind jumps around everywhere so I have a hard time reading stuff...
  • [09:49:53] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: the more you know, the more you know you don't know
  • [09:50:04] <snowman> that's a good quote
  • [09:50:32] <snowman> but I just spread sand on the beach while I should be working on a castle
  • [09:50:45] <snowman> if that makes sense
  • [09:50:51] <Ceriand|desktop> I did EE in university because I already was pretty good with programming and wanted to know more about the whole system
  • [09:51:19] <snowman> I wanted to double major in EE and computer sci or network security in college
  • [09:51:25] <snowman> or major/minor
  • [09:52:08] <Ceriand|desktop> just do CE, it's both EE and CS
  • [09:52:21] <snowman> CE = ...
  • [09:52:29] <snowman> computer engineering?
  • [09:52:32] <Ceriand|desktop> yea
  • [09:52:42] <snowman> I wish there was somewhere I could go now
  • [09:52:52] <mikhas> the beach?
  • [09:53:16] <snowman> but i'm a sophamore in high school and my programming teacher is an idiot and the only comp classes they have are 3 programming classes
  • [09:53:24] <Ceriand|desktop> snowman: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/index.htm
  • [09:53:26] <snowman> mikhas: lol I mean to learn
  • [09:53:46] <Ceriand|desktop> or just build something
  • [09:53:51] <Ceriand|desktop> you learn a lot on the way
  • [09:54:35] <snowman> I want to but idk what to do
  • [09:54:58] <snowman> I need to just read that EE theory book and mess around w/ my arduino
  • [09:55:27] <Ceriand|desktop> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083817028083413651#
  • [09:55:50] <Ceriand|desktop> that was my final design project for EE
  • [09:56:12] <snowman> jeeze man
  • [09:56:16] <snowman> senor year?
  • [09:56:16] <Ceriand|desktop> I did the circuit boards and my friend did the software
  • [09:56:19] <Ceriand|desktop> yea
  • [09:56:34] <Ceriand|desktop> we wrote our own kernel for it
  • [09:56:38] <snowman> well after four years of college I can comprehend that but wow..
  • [09:56:52] <snowman> wth?
  • [09:57:10] <snowman> things like kernel and game engine and such are just mistifying to me
  • [09:57:32] <snowman> I understand their general purpose but how they're made is... ugh....
  • [09:57:56] <snowman> are those mit courses complete free courses?
  • [09:58:04] <Ceriand|desktop> yes
  • [09:58:39] <snowman> wow
  • [09:58:48] <snowman> see I do better under pressure and structure
  • [09:58:53] <rs__> snowman: you should be playing some game out in the sun
  • [09:59:09] <snowman> I actually get a lot of reading done @ school when my teachers are being boring
  • [09:59:29] <snowman> thats how I know 90% of my textbook elec theory
  • [09:59:39] <snowman> rs__: the sun isn't up yet
  • [09:59:45] <snowman> I gotta wait an hour or so
  • [10:00:12] <rs__> hehe, go back to bed then
  • [10:00:38] <snowman> I always end up wasting my time trying to figure it out by practice on the computer when I could just spend 20% of the time reading it
  • [10:00:57] <mikhas> you just learnt something valuable
  • [10:01:03] <mikhas> computers are a waste of time =)
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  • [10:01:07] <snowman> rs__: I never went to bed. woke up at 6:00am for school and its 4:00am now
  • [10:01:14] <Ceriand|desktop> yea, you learn a lot more making mistakes
  • [10:01:14] <snowman> thats just mean mikhas :-P
  • [10:01:59] <mikhas> ah well, but EE is hard, let's go surfing
  • [10:02:14] <snowman> well it makes me mad because I learn more fucking up than I learn about what I'm actually trying to learn aboutr
  • [10:02:35] <snowman> ROFL my alarm just went off for school (I forgot to turn it to the weekend alarms)
  • [10:03:01] <snowman> is there a hands on way to learn about EE?
  • [10:03:10] <Ceriand|desktop> yea
  • [10:03:17] <mikhas> hands-on power outlets?
  • [10:03:20] <Ceriand|desktop> breadboards usually
  • [10:03:29] <mikhas> teaches you to not touch them =)
  • [10:03:31] <snowman> mikhas: I'ma bout to shoot you lol
  • [10:03:40] * snowman pulls out his revolver
  • [10:03:43] <mikhas> yeah, sorry
  • [10:03:55] * snowman puts away his revolver slowly
  • [10:04:18] <snowman> well I have a Breadboard but I don't really have components though
  • [10:04:29] <snowman> and if I go to RS ot get some, idk what to get
  • [10:04:40] <Ceriand|desktop> RS is junk
  • [10:04:56] <Ceriand|desktop> just order the parts you need directly from digikey or someplace similar
  • [10:05:02] <_av500_> RS still selss components?
  • [10:05:12] <Ceriand|desktop> not many
  • [10:05:30] <_av500_> didnt they rename/relaunch?
  • [10:05:55] <snowman> well that takes forever to ship though
  • [10:06:13] <Ceriand|desktop> it's not that bad
  • [10:06:16] <snowman> and I'm still debating between BB and lesser electronics stuff
  • [10:06:21] <Ceriand|desktop> a week at the most with the cheap shipping
  • [10:07:07] <snowman> I'm bout to have like $210 cuz I'ma sell my 360
  • [10:07:26] <snowman> and I'm going back and forth between a BB and components and stuff
  • [10:07:57] <snowman> BB or** components...
  • [10:09:59] <snowman> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9285 is what ive been looking for!!
  • [10:11:31] <snowman> I know you probably want me to stop asking so many goddamn questions but you guys think I should get 1 or 2 of these and just buy other components as I go along or BB stuff?
  • [10:12:34] <Ceriand|desktop> probably the other stuff
  • [10:13:11] <snowman> non-BB
  • [10:13:16] <snowman> ?
  • [10:13:29] <snowman> sounds good
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  • [10:15:01] <Ceriand|desktop> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9513
  • [10:15:11] <Ceriand|desktop> that and the book that goes along with it would be a good start
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  • [10:16:32] <snowman> well wouldn't that be further down the line?
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  • [10:17:16] <Ceriand|desktop> it has experiments with custom sensors and stuff that teach you electronics
  • [10:17:19] <snowman> DC/components > AC > digital/embedded > other stuff?
  • [10:18:59] <snowman> I think i'll stick with the components kits so I still have a good bit of money and move on to that later
  • [10:19:04] <snowman> or maybe I can get both
  • [10:19:30] <snowman> 150+25+shipping < ~200
  • [10:19:35] <snowman> maybe I can :-$
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  • [10:21:08] <snowman> Ceriand|desktop: how much does the book cost?
  • [10:21:21] <Ceriand|desktop> it comes with the kit
  • [10:22:49] <Ceriand|desktop> the kit also comes with resistors and caps and wire
  • [10:23:09] <Ceriand|desktop> along with the usb->serial converter
  • [10:23:55] <snowman> ok I'll try to get both I think
  • [10:24:20] <snowman> you guys think I can make it ~34 hours w/o sleep?
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  • [10:42:59] <super> good morning all, im trying to compile the kernal image, but i get this error Can't find default configuration "arch/x86/configs/omap3_beagle_defconfig"!
  • [10:43:25] <Ceriand|desktop> put ARCH=arm before make omap3_beagle_defconfig
  • [10:45:06] <super> still same error. i checked, and that file is indeed not there...
  • [10:46:06] <Ceriand|desktop> type the command "ARCH=arm make omap3_beagle_defconfig"
  • [10:47:23] <super> ahh progress :) cheers!
  • [10:48:10] <Ceriand|desktop> to actually compile it type "ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=<your arm compiler here> make uImage"
  • [10:48:38] <Ceriand|desktop> replace the stuff in the <> with your arm cross compiler
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  • [10:54:32] <topi> or screw cross compiling, run gcc natively like I do ;)
  • [10:54:44] <topi> Linux uni 2.6.29-omap1 #1 Mon May 25 17:15:11 CEST 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [10:54:47] <topi> see ;)
  • [10:55:37] <ajay> topi you installed this omap kernel in your desktop system itself?
  • [10:55:42] <Ceriand|desktop> haven't seen a 2ghz 8-core arm machine yet though ;)
  • [10:55:56] <topi> ajay: screw desktops, i have a beagle "server" in the server room :)
  • [10:56:11] <topi> Ceriand|desktop: i'm unemployed, so i can wait
  • [10:56:20] <Ceriand|desktop> heh
  • [10:56:27] <topi> anyway mostly the deps will work and you only compile a few files and then final link
  • [10:56:34] <topi> doesn't take too long on a 600mhz cortex-a8
  • [10:57:08] <Ceriand|desktop> before I got a cross-compiler, I was getting 4 hour build times on a PXA270 for a project at work
  • [10:57:15] <topi> and it's nice to run IRC on a dedicated 'server' which consumes 2 watts or so
  • [10:57:31] <ajay> topi, it will be faster to compile omap kernel on desktop system AMD/intel .
  • [10:57:43] <topi> well probably the PXA270 doesn't have as much L2 cache as the OMAP3 does... it makes a large difference in gcc perf
  • [10:57:57] <Ceriand|desktop> heh, it has no L2 cache
  • [10:58:01] <topi> ajay: i know i know, but probably not as efficient per watt!
  • [10:58:41] <ajay> topi, how much time it takes to compile kernel on beagle board?
  • [10:58:45] <Ceriand|desktop> I'm doing a cost-reduction on that product now with the OMAP3 instead of the PXA
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  • [10:59:47] <Ceriand|desktop> I have it running very well on the BB
  • [11:00:51] <ajay> i am installing debian lenny using qemu..it is taking too much time..more than 3 hours...
  • [11:01:24] <Ceriand|desktop> ajay: why not just use debootstrap on x86 and install everything else on the BB
  • [11:01:26] <Ceriand|desktop> ?
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  • [11:01:58] <super> ahhrhghhghhrhgh went through all them n y boxes and it didnt work!
  • [11:02:54] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, i am using debian based distro which has repository of i386 not armel.
  • [11:03:11] <Ceriand|desktop> so
  • [11:03:31] <Ceriand|desktop> you can do a cross bootstrap
  • [11:03:55] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, there will not be any issue if i install complete i386 OS on sd card?
  • [11:04:05] <ajay> cross bootstrap?
  • [11:04:13] <Ceriand|desktop> you wouldn't put a i386 OS on there
  • [11:04:27] <Ceriand|desktop> you can put an armel on there, but without using qemu
  • [11:04:46] <Ceriand|desktop> http://emqbit.com/deboostrap-debian#debootstrap
  • [11:05:36] <Ceriand|desktop> the --arch parameter specifies the arch you're build the rootfs for
  • [11:07:02] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop,aftre testing through qemu ,i will do installation using debootstrap
  • [11:08:10] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, i have 27" inch tv .will it work using S-video with beagleboard?
  • [11:08:34] <Ceriand|desktop> does it have an s-video port on the back?
  • [11:08:43] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, yes
  • [11:08:48] <Ceriand|desktop> then yes
  • [11:09:33] <Ceriand|desktop> if you have the correct kernel
  • [11:10:14] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, i amusing 2.6.26.2-versatile kernel
  • [11:10:35] <ajay> what will be bootcmd and bootargs for s-video?
  • [11:11:39] <Ceriand|desktop> I believe the openembedded kernel has the right patches
  • [11:11:59] <Ceriand|desktop> I don't use s-video so I'm not 100% sure
  • [11:13:31] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, i am not having monitor with DVI or hdmi port ..but is it possible to get gui on my monitor using db9 - IDC10 on serial port
  • [11:15:00] <Ceriand|desktop> no
  • [11:15:11] <Ceriand|desktop> you can get a text terminal though
  • [11:15:39] <adj> I wouldn't say it's impossible, everything is possible. But will it be usable? No.
  • [11:17:33] <ajay> adj, yes it will be usable for me beacause if it gives gui then i dont require to buy hdmi,dvi monitor or tv to see gui of installed OS in BB
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  • [11:18:10] <Ceriand|desktop> s-video is working, but you have to get the right version of the kernel
  • [11:18:18] <super> Ceriand|desktop: im getting errors when i compile still
  • [11:18:49] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, from where can i get right kernel with correct patch?
  • [11:18:54] <ajay> for s-video/
  • [11:19:42] <Ceriand|desktop> ajay: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [11:19:54] <Ceriand|desktop> super: what's the error?
  • [11:20:03] <adj> ajay: no, it would not be usable.
  • [11:22:14] <ajay> adj, normally all has vga monitor .to test gui of OS in BB it is require to buy either monitor or tv..
  • [11:22:20] <ajay> which is costly.
  • [11:22:24] <super> Ceriand|desktop: http://pastebin.ca/1671048
  • [11:22:58] <Ceriand|desktop> super: disable that gadget driver
  • [11:23:21] <super> how?
  • [11:23:29] <Ceriand|desktop> ARCH=arm make menuconfig
  • [11:24:28] <super> that errors, i dont have ncurses
  • [11:25:59] <Ceriand|desktop> install ncurses then
  • [11:26:53] <super> im on it
  • [11:27:46] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, in this debootstrap link it is mentioned ARCH as arm but it should be armel
  • [11:27:49] <super> ok were back to doing stuff
  • [11:27:58] <Ceriand|desktop> ajay: correct
  • [11:28:19] <ajay> Ceriand|desktop, armel or arm?
  • [11:28:28] <ajay> which is correct?
  • [11:28:37] <Ceriand|desktop> armel
  • [11:29:17] <mru> morning
  • [11:29:23] <Ceriand|desktop> morning
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  • [11:35:38] <super> Ceriand|desktop: make: *** No rule to make target `uImage'. Stop.
  • [11:37:01] <Ceriand|desktop> what command did you use?
  • [11:37:38] <super> make uImage
  • [11:38:44] <Ceriand|desktop> You need the ARCH and CROSS_COMPILE variables first
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  • [11:51:56] <ajay> super, Ceriand|desktop to cross compile any toolchain has to be install?
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  • [11:53:45] <Ceriand|desktop> it has to know how to generate code for your processor
  • [11:54:37] <Ceriand|desktop> and if you're using C libraries, it has to be compiled with the version of libc you're using
  • [11:55:14] <mru> strictly speaking, it doesn't have to, but it makes life much, much easier if it is
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  • [12:00:13] <super> i have the none-gnueabi thing from code sourcery
  • [12:04:15] <mru> should be fine
  • [12:06:50] <super> but i still get errors,
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  • [12:07:29] <mru> then you did something wrong
  • [12:07:32] <mru> what errors do you get?
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  • [12:10:14] <super> ill start again from scratch
  • [12:11:04] <super> should i use make distclean
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  • [12:12:43] <super> ?
  • [12:14:01] <mru> what are you building?
  • [12:14:27] <super> the linux-omap-2.6 package
  • [12:14:44] <super> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Linux_kernel
  • [12:16:12] <adj> bitbake linux-omap-2.6.29
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  • [12:16:27] <super> iv got as far as make distclean. that worked. but im told i need to do other stuff before the next line
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  • [13:27:36] <rs__> does ehci pm work on beagle on a 2.6.29 kernel
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  • [14:17:55] <mru> it's quiet here today...
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  • [14:25:27] <Crofton|work> yeah
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  • [14:42:00] <sakoman> gm
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  • [14:54:11] <rs__> anyone know if ehci pm works on omap3
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  • [14:57:46] <rs__> hmm.
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  • [15:17:44] <Crofton> gm
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  • [17:12:53] <nader> I am powering up Beagle board and on tera term I get com port 6 not recognized, but device mgr says my serial port is comp port 6, why do I get such message from tera term
  • [17:13:09] <mru> tera term sucks
  • [17:13:25] <nader> thanks, so what do you recommend?
  • [17:13:50] <adj> putty
  • [17:14:00] <nader> is that a freeware?
  • [17:14:05] <adj> yes
  • [17:14:16] <adj> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
  • [17:14:19] <nader> would you please provide a link todownload putty?
  • [17:14:31] <adj> (the first link when googling putty)
  • [17:14:44] <nader> oh, boy you are fast.... thanks i will get it now
  • [17:15:46] <nader> I am an old fart trying to learn new stuff.... instead of googling I was geegling ;-)
  • [17:16:31] <nader> so is it better to uninstall tera term and then install putty?
  • [17:16:42] <mru> you can have both if you want
  • [17:16:51] <nader> thanks again
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  • [17:24:08] <jean85> hi all
  • [17:25:10] <jean85> am using s-video, and am getting desktop out of tv screen
  • [17:25:18] <jean85> wat to do for that?
  • [17:26:04] <nader> ok, I got Putty and still get same message: can not open port 6
  • [17:27:21] <adj> are you sure it really is com6?
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  • [17:29:40] <nader> yes...I look at device mgr of windows vista. com 1 thru 6 is open and used so it gets assigned to port 6
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  • [17:40:03] <nader> how come both putty and tera term are happy with com 3 and not 6?!
  • [17:41:20] <adj> that would also suggest that the correct port isn't com6
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  • [17:41:55] <adj> or, some other program has reserved com6
  • [17:43:09] <nader> but device mge says 1 thru 5 are "in use"!!!
  • [17:43:35] <mru> use the device manager and rearrange the numbers to something the apps find palatable
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  • [18:05:39] <jean85> anyone know how to crop the s-video? ma signals going out of tv screen..
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  • [18:10:30] <nader> how come OTG USB is not recognized by windows vista?
  • [18:11:49] <nader> any body out there to help?
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  • [18:14:30] <nader> knock knock.... who is there?
  • [18:15:05] <nader> how come OTG USB is not recognized by windows vista?
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  • [19:03:22] <Kevin`> na
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  • [19:37:40] <wcam> are there any known problems with connecting multiple hardware to a beagleboard on angstrom?
  • [19:38:16] <mikhas> you mean via USB?
  • [19:38:24] <mikhas> plenty, I would say =)
  • [19:39:34] <wcam> yes
  • [19:39:40] <wcam> particularly a webcam and a mouse
  • [19:40:04] <wcam> im thinking i might need a powered hub?
  • [19:40:17] <mikhas> yes, definitely
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  • [20:19:34] <wcam> anyone know how to install the linux uvc driver on angstrom
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  • [20:32:32] <koen> they are installed by default if you're using the demo image
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  • [22:26:32] <mnjosue> i cant conect the keyboard in my beagleboard
  • [22:28:03] <mnjosue> and I dont know why
  • [22:28:10] <mnjosue> somebody know why??
  • [22:28:23] <mnjosue> and somebody speak spanish?
  • [22:28:46] <robtmr> really weird problem here - my board's DVI output only works when the serial port is connected
  • [22:28:58] <robtmr> anyone know why this would happen?
  • [22:30:46] <mnjosue> and other problem in plasma TV dont send video from HDMI cable
  • [22:33:14] <robtmr> mnjosue: what kind of usb hub are you using?
  • [22:34:34] <mnjosue> the normal 5 volts
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  • [22:42:33] <robtmr> all USB is 5V :S
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