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  • [00:43:57] <ds> felipec: you still around?
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  • [00:59:47] <jevin> I think my board might be 6-feet under. The USR0/1 LEDs blink as if angstrom is booted and running but I get no video output or serial output. the TPS2141 ic gets very toasty though...
  • [00:59:56] <jevin> what does the hive think?
  • [01:00:22] <mru> remind me which IC that is
  • [01:01:29] <Ceriand|work> jevin: has the serial ever worked with the cable you're using?
  • [01:01:41] <jevin> yes, the board was working fine until today
  • [01:01:50] <mru> board rev?
  • [01:01:54] <jevin> i cant think of anything that i would have done to damage / anger it
  • [01:01:56] <jevin> c3
  • [01:02:24] <Ceriand|work> I'd check the voltages to see if they're all in spec
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  • [01:03:43] <jevin> Ceriand|work, let me check those now
  • [01:03:55] <Ceriand|work> also try unplugging everything except the serial and power and see if you get anything on there
  • [01:05:13] <djlewis> jevin: mainly check your power source is between 4.75 to 5.2 vDC
  • [01:05:38] <djlewis> the other voltages will hold spec as long as they can even with too much input
  • [01:05:48] <djlewis> Heat is from too much current.
  • [01:06:06] <jevin> 5.14V from the wallwart
  • [01:06:23] <djlewis> Dont leave it on if something feels hot.
  • [01:07:21] <mru> it's ok if chips get a bit warm
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  • [01:08:52] <jevin> vcore is a bit low at 1.2V
  • [01:09:11] <mru> you said the LEDs are flashing?
  • [01:09:19] <jevin> its definitely abnormally hot (dont touch for too long) but not board crisping hot
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  • [01:09:39] <jevin> correct, usr0 and usr1 are flashing in a manner that appears to me as if angstrom is running
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  • [01:10:18] <jevin> the 1.3V cpu/ram is working fine whereas the 3.3V (or is it 1.8V) io for serial/dvi is not working?
  • [01:12:02] <felipec> ds: yeap
  • [01:13:00] <Ceriand|work> what's the voltage from L4 to ground?
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  • [01:13:33] <Ceriand|work> it should be 3.3 if everything is working ok
  • [01:13:38] <ds> felipec: I'm planning to add Theora decode functionality to OpenMAX as part of the c64x theora work
  • [01:14:12] <mru> oh dear
  • [01:14:20] <djlewis> the tps2141 seems to be the power switch IC
  • [01:14:34] <ds> felipec: I'm running into two problems. One is that OpenMAX is not extensible
  • [01:14:45] <mru> the other that theora sucks?
  • [01:15:01] <felipec> lol
  • [01:15:16] <djlewis> jevin: do you have any usb devices plugged into BB?
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  • [01:15:34] <ds> felipec: the other is that it's unclear to an outsider which OpenMAX IL implementation to modify
  • [01:15:35] <jevin> djlewis, no, not now
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  • [01:16:37] <djlewis> jevin: is the iC cooling?
  • [01:16:53] <jevin> Ceriand|work, i cant seem to find an L4
  • [01:16:56] <ds> felipec: you mentioned on kfish's blog that it would be a tough sell to get theora into OpenMAX, I wanted to know if you still think that's true
  • [01:17:13] <Ceriand|work> jevin: it's right below the HDMI connector
  • [01:17:17] <ds> felipec: and if you can suggest a hacking starting point
  • [01:17:22] <mru> I don't think it should be attempted
  • [01:17:28] <mru> theora needs to die
  • [01:17:33] <mru> the more violently, the better
  • [01:17:51] <djlewis> mru: idont know why but I find that humurous :)
  • [01:18:18] <jevin> djlewis, it cools off when i disconnect the power =P when its running it gets too hot to touch for long
  • [01:18:27] <djlewis> hehee
  • [01:18:55] <mru> some chips on some of my beagles get quite hot
  • [01:19:02] <jevin> Ceriand|work, 0.8V on L4 =\
  • [01:19:07] <djlewis> jevin have you unplugged your hdmi cable?
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  • [01:19:18] <jevin> djlewis, i have unplugged it, yes
  • [01:19:20] <felipec> ds: for the first problem you can just add OMX_VIDEO_CodingTheora or something with a value that's not previously taken, sure, it's not really part of the spec, but in the meantime certain clients and implementations can agree on the value
  • [01:19:29] <mru> the C1D is running rather cool though
  • [01:19:36] <Ceriand|work> jevin: yea, looks like 3.3 is shorted somewhere
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  • [01:19:51] <felipec> ds: or just use OMX_VIDEO_CodingAutoDetect with the provision that the particular component only decodes Theora
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  • [01:20:06] <jevin> Ceriand|work, OK, i will check the expansion header again
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  • [01:21:03] <jevin> Can I get my BB RMAed if it has an expansion header soldered on?
  • [01:21:29] <jevin> The BB is for my senior design project and unfortunately it seems that all the distributers are backordered
  • [01:21:38] <djlewis> jevin: that would be a question for Gerald on the mail list.
  • [01:21:42] <felipec> ds: I don't remember saying that Theora would be a though sell, I said that the WG doesn't receive any input from the FOSS community
  • [01:21:52] <mru> has it worked after you did the soldering?
  • [01:21:59] <felipec> ds: so some company on the WG would have to push for Theora
  • [01:22:17] <ds> felipec: ok, I interpreted that wrong, then.
  • [01:22:32] <jevin> mru, yes, it was working for about a week
  • [01:23:20] <mru> I can't promise anything, but if something else broke it, your chances should be good
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  • [01:25:38] <felipec> ds: as for the implementation well, I'm only familiar with a few: bellagio and TI's, both are open
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  • [01:26:08] <felipec> ds: TI's one is horrible, bellagio is at least modular, but not really great
  • [01:27:12] <felipec> ds: personally I would write my own one, and I wrote a simple one just for the sake of it: http://github.com/felipec/libomxil-g
  • [01:27:13] <jevin> 3.3V is shorted to ground /somewhere/. How likely is it that the short is in an IC versus somewhere on the board that might be hard to spot with the naked eye
  • [01:27:51] <Ceriand|work> not very, unless one of the 3.3V chips is latching-up
  • [01:28:00] <mru> I'd try the obvious things like shaking it
  • [01:28:27] <Ceriand|work> also, look around your soldering and see if any blobs of solder or something else fell off
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  • [01:30:01] <ds> felipec: well that would certainly decrease the amount of code I need to grok
  • [01:30:05] <ds> thanks
  • [01:30:16] <felipec> ds: np
  • [01:31:13] <felipec> ds: nowadays I'm more interested in libva, because it's completely open, but we would need an open gst-va, and I don't know of any implementation I could really use =/
  • [01:31:44] <felipec> ds: I could port gst-dsp to libva easily, I guess
  • [01:33:15] * ds is underimpressed by libva
  • [01:33:41] <ds> at least with OpenMAX, the abstraction layer is between the media framework and the codec, not *in the middle of the codec*
  • [01:33:55] <ds> (unless things have changed)
  • [01:37:33] <felipec> ds: there's also OpenMAX DL which is "in the middle of the codec", but anyway, I thought vaapi was like OpenMAX IL: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libva/tree/src/va.h
  • [01:40:07] <ds> felipec: looks like a bunch of codec internals in the header. That doesn't mean you *must* split the codec, though
  • [01:44:13] <felipec> ds: you mean like in OpenMAX IL where codecs are split into components? If you look in my example you can see that you can have an omxil implementation that has a single component
  • [01:45:08] <felipec> but I see that in omxil components are identified by strings, so you can have two H.264 decoders on the same implementation, while in vaapi you can only have one because the id is by codec
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  • [02:00:40] <hlfshell> So up until recently, my laptop was showing USB0 that allowed connection to the beagleboard, but very recently it is not showing usb0 at all on ifconfig. any ideas on why the usb0 isn't showing up on my computer at all?
  • [02:02:57] <mru> ifconfig -a ?
  • [02:03:04] <hlfshell> doesnt show mru
  • [02:03:12] <mru> lsusb
  • [02:03:40] <mru> mine show there as "Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet Gadget"
  • [02:04:45] <hlfshell> ah i think i found it was a problem with my usb port... let me check one sec
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  • [02:35:52] <djlewis> could someone please define for me what asterisk around words means in internet chat?
  • [02:36:10] <mru> bold
  • [02:36:14] <djlewis> tough to google it.
  • [02:36:35] <djlewis> like the bold in a word processor?
  • [02:36:35] <mru> *bold*, _underline_, /italic/
  • [02:36:46] <djlewis> yep
  • [02:37:20] <djlewis> thank you. I am having to address a grievance against me and that is used by the other party.
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  • [02:50:24] <rtennill> anyone have time to talk about angstrom on mistral omap3evm? it is getting stuck after "Starting kernel ..."
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  • [02:51:49] <hlfshell> anyone here get VNC working on the ubuntu/beagleboard?
  • [02:57:10] <rtennill> pretty quiet in here I can't help you hlfshell sorry, are you using just beagle or omap3 by chance?
  • [02:58:23] <hlfshell> just got it working actually
  • [02:58:27] <hlfshell> thanks anyway rtennill
  • [02:58:42] <rtennill> lol grats i'm stuck at "starting kernel ... " still
  • [02:59:50] <rtennill> do you boot from NFS or MMC?
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  • [03:02:51] <rtennill> be back shortly
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  • [03:05:09] <rtennill> ok back
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  • [03:54:21] <airman00> anyone use the UART expansion header on the BB, and can help me out with using it?
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  • [04:39:56] <airman00> is UART2 of the Expansion Header 3.3V TTL or 5V TTL?
  • [04:49:10] <djlewis> 1.8v
  • [04:49:57] <djlewis> airman00:
  • [04:50:25] <airman00> and is it set up by default that I can use UART2? I've been wading through the datasheet, but cant find a clear answer
  • [04:50:41] <djlewis> no user friendly here :(
  • [04:50:51] <airman00> what?
  • [04:51:14] <djlewis> I think it takes Pin-Mux'ing and programming
  • [04:51:43] <djlewis> airman00: It's been donoe a lot and is googleable.
  • [04:51:53] <djlewis> donoe = done
  • [04:52:01] <djlewis> me getting tired :P
  • [04:52:40] <airman00> lol gotcha. I"ll do some more googling
  • [04:52:46] <airman00> east coast djlewis?
  • [04:53:17] <djlewis> Arkansas but long days ...
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  • [05:04:09] <GrizzlyAdams> TXB0108 <- thats a nice companion to the beagleboard's expansion port.
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  • [05:07:12] <djlewis> Hi GrizzlyAdams
  • [05:07:16] <GrizzlyAdams> hey
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  • [05:11:32] <Barts_> djlewis: do you know the command you told me to rescan the usb bus?
  • [05:11:56] <djlewis> Barts_: rescan or load the module?
  • [05:12:05] <Barts_> djlewis: load the module, i meant
  • [05:12:10] <djlewis> :)
  • [05:12:20] <djlewis> modprobe modulename
  • [05:13:00] <djlewis> if yo google linux and how to auto load modules you can save yourself some effort
  • [05:13:14] <GrizzlyAdams> :D
  • [05:13:29] <Barts_> i'm trying to get a usb gps dongle to work
  • [05:13:46] <djlewis> I plugged one in and cat'd it and it worked.
  • [05:13:46] <Barts_> my mouse is detected but when i tried 'modprobe usb' i receive FATAL: module usb not found
  • [05:14:06] <djlewis> you alreadyhave usb loadded at boot :P
  • [05:14:12] <Barts_> this is on my laptop btw
  • [05:14:21] <djlewis> or your mouse wonldn't be detected.
  • [05:14:41] <GrizzlyAdams> you need one of the usb serial port modules most likely (if your gps dongle is supported)
  • [05:14:57] <djlewis> if it isnt seeing your gps then you need a gps driver module for htat gps.
  • [05:15:24] <GrizzlyAdams> most gps dongles show up as serial ports and spit out nmea data
  • [05:15:28] <djlewis> yes that could work if you are using NEMA
  • [05:15:35] <Barts_> the dongle came with the linux C and header files
  • [05:18:55] <Barts_> do y'all know of a usb GPS dongle that works with the BB?
  • [05:20:15] <djlewis> Depends on their serial to usb chip but most any that talk NEMA
  • [05:22:34] * GrizzlyAdams wanders off to find his gps dongle
  • [05:23:51] <djlewis> yep just plug it in and see what happens.
  • [05:24:15] <djlewis> I last played with an older discontinued Delorme module.
  • [05:26:03] <djlewis> It was a DeLorme Earthmate lt-20
  • [05:26:38] <djlewis> Just a module, no screen.
  • [05:28:00] <djlewis> gn all...
  • [05:28:22] <Barts_> bye djlewis
  • [05:28:55] <GrizzlyAdams> night
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  • [05:58:13] <rs> has anyone tested USB power management? does it work?
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  • [06:04:54] <ds2> *splat*
  • [06:05:04] <ds2> USB power management used to sort of work ;)
  • [06:08:22] <av500> gm
  • [06:20:04] <ds2> that was when I tested it on another board ;)
  • [06:20:24] <ds2> don't think there is a proper PM enabled kernel for the Beagle yet
  • [06:20:32] <ds2> (that is freely available)
  • [06:22:07] <GrizzlyAdams> looks like i'm in for a fun week of porting patches from other u-boot distros over to beagle
  • [06:23:51] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams:what are you doing?
  • [06:24:26] <GrizzlyAdams> hopefully making it easier to choose between multiple boot images without anything more than a usb keyboard and a monitor
  • [06:24:56] <ds2> why?
  • [06:25:21] <ds2> why not just 1boot image per SD card
  • [06:25:29] <GrizzlyAdams> i've got a usb hdd with angstrom, debian, ubuntu, android all on it, and i hate to have to type run android on my dev pc
  • [06:26:20] <GrizzlyAdams> also, rescue linux systems kind of need to be able to access the data they are to rescue :/ look at the recovery partition on most android phones
  • [06:26:38] <ds2> okay, then why not just use the serial port?
  • [06:26:50] <ds2> configure Uboot and type "run android" or "run ubuntu" etc?
  • [06:27:03] <GrizzlyAdams> extra junk to carry around, when the uboot can be extended to do locally
  • [06:27:28] <ds2> USBtty will let you do this with just the USB cable
  • [06:27:45] <GrizzlyAdams> a usb cable, and a host to plug it into.
  • [06:28:24] <GrizzlyAdams> theres good reasons for extending uboot
  • [06:28:37] <ds2> and there are good reason for not ;)
  • [06:28:51] <GrizzlyAdams> nobody is forcing you to run my uboot.
  • [06:29:24] <ds2> true
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  • [06:29:39] <ds2> just overall, mod'ing U-boot should be discouraged
  • [06:30:09] <GrizzlyAdams> and its not like its using all of the 2MB partition set aside for it.
  • [06:30:43] <GrizzlyAdams> heck, currently its 180KB
  • [06:30:52] * ds2 wishes Dave was here
  • [06:30:59] * GrizzlyAdams waves
  • [06:31:05] <GrizzlyAdams> my name is dave :D
  • [06:31:13] <ds2> BAH... the OTHER dave ;)
  • [06:31:18] <ds> !
  • [06:31:21] <GrizzlyAdams> you'll find theres alot of us daves out there
  • [06:31:23] <ds2> the one who thinks even 180K is too big
  • [06:31:36] <ds2> think there is only one that thinks 180K is too big
  • [06:36:35] <GrizzlyAdams> its not like i'm suggesting messing with x-loader
  • [06:37:19] <ds2> I'd suggest getting rid of it ;)
  • [06:37:30] <ds2> we don't need no stinking x-loader ;)
  • [06:39:27] <GrizzlyAdams> O_o
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  • [06:42:55] <ds2> make U-boot small enough and X-loader's goes away
  • [06:43:40] <ds> u-boot is larger than 180k?
  • [06:43:45] <GrizzlyAdams> heh, x-loader has a purpose, a three-stage boot process makes more sense than you think
  • [06:44:43] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: this is amusing... I have argued your side with prpplague
  • [06:45:05] <ds2> ds: no, x-loader is needed cuz U-boot is so big
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  • [06:46:57] * av500 wants 720p in uboot
  • [06:47:35] <GrizzlyAdams> av500: YES!
  • [06:47:40] <ds2> av500: you don't have that yet in your HW? ;)
  • [06:48:15] <av500> ds2: I want every day for the boos to ask for an animated full HD boot logo
  • [06:48:17] <GrizzlyAdams> i noticed our u-boot lacks some of the nifty stuff other u-boots have, like loading of bitmaps
  • [06:48:21] <av500> want->wait
  • [06:48:52] <GrizzlyAdams> av500: mngs!
  • [06:48:58] <av500> you wouldnt believe how much effort we spent into making the bootloader kernel transition not flicker the LCD...
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  • [06:49:17] <_dash_> hi all
  • [06:49:25] * GrizzlyAdams wonders what av500 is working on
  • [06:49:43] <av500> google av500
  • [06:49:49] <GrizzlyAdams> archos?
  • [06:50:29] <ds2> av500: so your bootloader kernel now blocks on VB? ;)
  • [06:50:34] <GrizzlyAdams> or toshiba?
  • [06:50:52] <av500> a*
  • [06:51:22] <ds2> av500: which display driver do you guys use? DSS2 or the old stuff?
  • [06:51:34] <av500> atm we use a somewhat older version of dss2
  • [06:51:37] <GrizzlyAdams> time for me to initiate sleep mode
  • [06:51:42] <ds2> or did you went with your own version of the hybrid TI driver?
  • [06:51:52] <av500> last year, the "older" stuff
  • [06:51:52] <_dash_> av500: Or r u portable video player ??
  • [06:51:59] <av500> I am
  • [06:52:02] <ds2> later GrizzlyAdams
  • [06:52:15] <av500> ds2: hybrid?
  • [06:52:36] <ds2> av500: yeah.. the reference kernel driver ported to the L-O tree
  • [06:52:45] <_dash_> Can anybody mpoint me to Linux kernel IRC ?
  • [06:53:05] <_dash_> Can anybody point me to Linux kernel IRC ? (if there is any)
  • [07:00:12] <eFfeM> koen, building local cpan modules within the perl dir works fine, perl-native also builds, but if I build xmltv I still get:
  • [07:00:13] <eFfeM> make: *** No rule to make target `/home/frans/oe/tmp_angstrom/staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/perl//Config.pm', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
  • [07:00:25] <eFfeM> note the // where the version number should be
  • [07:00:43] <eFfeM> no idea what causes this and no time to look at it as I am already half an hour late to go to work
  • [07:00:51] <eFfeM> back at around 3 pm
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  • [07:23:34] <ds2> hmmm
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  • [07:29:49] <rs> ds2: what did you mean when you say "sort of work" isnt it stable?
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  • [07:30:15] <rs> i connect adb and kernel hangs
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  • [07:58:12] <rs> sorry, i keep getting disconnected
  • [08:00:00] <ds2> rs: some versions of the kernel works... and I am only refering to the OTG port
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  • [08:55:14] <rs> ds2: does 2.6.29 usb pm work, i also use echi port apart from otg. im trying to identify the changes/patches now
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  • [09:08:14] <tasslehoff> Anyone know if it's possible to put the u-boot env on the sd card?
  • [09:13:02] <av500> boot.scr?
  • [09:14:11] * tasslehoff googles boot.scr
  • [09:15:24] <av500> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/e97fb9895c09a98c
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  • [09:25:07] <edufelipe> Hi folks! Can I run 'mplayer -nosound -vo omapfb:fb_overlay_only:dbl_buffer test.avi' and have X11 running at the same time, or they are mutually exclusive?
  • [09:26:20] <tasslehoff> av500: thanks. is boot.scr a u-boot thing? in the u-boot source in my tmp/work directory I see it mentioned mostly in omap3 configfiles.
  • [09:30:58] <edufelipe> Also, I'm getting an "[ 0.000000] Unknown boot option `omap-dss.def_disp=dvi': ignoring / [ 0.000000] Unknown boot option `omapfb.video_mode=800x600MR-24@60': ignoring" when using the current kernel of angstrom.
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  • [09:34:14] <av500> tasslehoff: yes
  • [09:34:55] <av500> tasslehoff: wasn't your question about uboot? :)
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  • [09:43:32] <tasslehoff> av500: heh yes. I just wondered if boot.scr was a common u-boot feature, since I couldn't find any reference to it in the u-boot documentation
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  • [09:44:07] <av500> could be that its BB specific...
  • [09:44:17] <av500> I know it only from BB ML...
  • [09:44:35] <av500> does it do what you need?
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  • [09:50:13] <tasslehoff> av500: I believe it will.
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  • [09:54:54] <edufelipe> Folks, what shoud the parameter omapfb.vram be in the most recent Angstrom kernel? Nothing on the mailing list works. It says it's an invalid format.
  • [09:56:21] <tasslehoff> av500: until now I have been using fw_setenv to switch between two sets of bootcmd/bootargs. having 2 different boot.scr files seems nicer :)
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  • [10:22:37] <tasslehoff> how can I erase the u-boot environment in flash to get back to the default?
  • [10:22:53] <av500> nand erase something
  • [10:28:14] <tasslehoff> 'nand erase 260000 20000' seemed to work, in case someone else need it :)
  • [10:32:14] <tasslehoff> loadaddr is set to 0x82000000 in the default environment, and to 0x80300000 in every wiki I have seen. does it matter which one I use?
  • [10:33:19] <av500> 3MB vs 32MB offset from start of SDRAM...
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  • [10:36:39] <jimmyf> hi all..
  • [10:37:25] <jimmyf> jus wondering...is anyone working on using beagleboard to run the linux whiteboard with the wii mote for IR tracking???
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  • [10:39:11] <tasslehoff> av500: I understood that much, but I suspected maybe there was a reason why all tutorials use the same load address, which is different from the default :)
  • [10:39:29] <tasslehoff> probably someone knew what he/she was doing, and everyone else have copied that wiki
  • [10:39:34] <tasslehoff> :)
  • [10:41:23] <jimmyf> anyone heard of the linux whiteboard here?
  • [10:41:33] <jimmyf> hello??
  • [10:43:46] <av500> tasslehoff: it depends on how much SDRAM uboot itself uses and where linux expands too.
  • [10:43:51] <av500> too->to
  • [10:44:05] <av500> tutu
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  • [11:01:47] <tasslehoff> good ole desmond :)
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  • [11:13:13] <tasslehoff> av500: boot.scr made my day. thanks for the tip :)
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  • [11:21:46] <av500> tasslehoff: just send my a unit when you are done :-)
  • [11:21:49] <av500> me
  • [11:27:36] <tasslehoff> :)
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  • [11:57:07] <mru> av500: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/11/review_media_player_archos_5/
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  • [12:21:15] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [12:21:21] <mru> morning jkridner|work
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  • [12:28:04] <mru> morning _koen_
  • [12:44:29] <Crofton|work> gm
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  • [12:55:03] <av500> mru: thx
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  • [12:55:37] <puppy> greetings
  • [12:55:59] <mru> av500: what did you use for mkv in the end?
  • [12:56:20] <av500> your stuff with some changes
  • [12:56:42] <av500> e.g. simpleblocks, compression
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  • [12:58:24] <mru> av500: any changes you'd like to share?
  • [12:58:55] <av500> the DRM stuff :-)
  • [12:59:11] <av500> our pay-per-decoded-frame scheme?
  • [13:00:17] <av500> mru: changes will not plug back to your original code...
  • [13:00:39] <av500> code has evil tabs now :)
  • [13:01:12] <mru> there were probably some evil tabs already in there
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  • [13:01:47] <mru> av500: it's your choice, the licence lets you do as you wish
  • [13:01:58] <av500> I can make an ugly noncompiling patch for some stuff
  • [13:02:21] <mru> you hacked it up pretty bad, huh?
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  • [13:02:48] <av500> sure
  • [13:03:12] <av500> it suffered from the "I need to malloc and memcpy packets" syndrom
  • [13:03:20] <av500> I cured it
  • [13:03:34] <ajay> hi to all, i have debian linux,i have connected beagleboard c2 to my system using db9-idc10 cable and configured minicom but still i am not getting any beagleboard propmt
  • [13:03:47] <mru> I didn't remember it being that bad
  • [13:04:14] <av500> not really "bad"
  • [13:04:16] <ajay> is it require to connect 5v power supply and then run minicom?
  • [13:04:30] <av500> ajay: 5v helps
  • [13:04:38] <mru> just don't do 12V
  • [13:06:30] <ajay> av500, yes i have connected 5v now.is it require to drill 10 number pin of idc 10 db9 cable?
  • [13:07:21] <av500> ajay: does it fit without drilling?
  • [13:07:27] <av500> ajay: do you like to drill
  • [13:07:44] <das_steb> Hi There. Can anyone help me with the USB root hub problem of the rev. B7? I try to make an redesign and had to relocate the USB.
  • [13:07:48] * mru usually uses a knife or sharp pin
  • [13:08:01] <ajay> av500, it fits without drilling ..but it is mentioned in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [13:08:25] <mru> some of those 10-pin plugs have pin 10 plugged
  • [13:08:25] <av500> its mentioned for the cases where it does not fit
  • [13:08:40] <puppy> i am creating angstrom dsitro, which desktop enviroment is most configurable, stable, more ability. enlightenment, xfce, or matchbox ???
  • [13:08:48] <av500> ajay: you have nullmodem cable or 1:1?
  • [13:09:04] <ajay> av500, yes i have null modem cable
  • [13:09:24] <ajay> but after power on also i am not getting beagle board prompt
  • [13:09:25] <av500> 115200 8n1 no flow control?
  • [13:09:44] <av500> and the correct serial port used in minocom?
  • [13:09:51] <ajay> av500, yes same configuration i am using
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  • [13:10:03] <av500> ajay: this works for 99.9% of the people, so something must be wrong on your side
  • [13:10:15] <ajay> av500, /dev/ttyS1
  • [13:10:29] <av500> ajay: that depends on your serial ports..
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  • [13:10:40] <puppy> ajay: are you using minicom or other program?
  • [13:10:41] <av500> the 1st one is ususally ttyS0..
  • [13:10:49] <ajay> puppy, minicom
  • [13:11:02] <av500> unless you have your mouse on that one :)
  • [13:11:15] <mru> old-timer ;-)
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  • [13:11:27] <adj> ah, serial mouses
  • [13:11:37] <adj> mice
  • [13:11:39] <av500> or the printer :)
  • [13:11:49] <av500> err, teletype
  • [13:11:54] <puppy> ajay: emulation TTY ?
  • [13:12:09] <ajay> av500, after changing to tty
  • [13:12:14] <ajay> S0
  • [13:12:24] <puppy> use tty
  • [13:12:29] <ajay> it is showing AT S7=4u Sp=p???Lq???Vq???X????????????1???E1???Q0
  • [13:12:48] <adj> hit enter couple of time
  • [13:12:48] <mru> why are you sending a modem init command?
  • [13:13:02] <av500> mru: because frakin minicom does that by default...
  • [13:13:02] <Crofton|work> stupid minicom default
  • [13:13:17] <mru> always check settings before using
  • [13:13:30] <av500> mru is advanced
  • [13:14:00] <av500> why doesnt uboot work over AT commands anyway?
  • [13:14:11] <mru> send patch
  • [13:14:27] <av500> ATD 0x8000000
  • [13:14:39] <av500> kernel: hullo?
  • [13:14:52] <mru> kernel panic, no carrier
  • [13:15:36] <puppy> it's your settings
  • [13:16:06] <puppy> also check host computer port settings
  • [13:16:37] <puppy> i am creating angstrom dsitro, which desktop enviroment is most configurable, stable, more ability. enlightenment, xfce, or matchbox ??? suggestions?
  • [13:17:16] <das_steb> jkrider: You write the 'USBHostTestREPRODUCE' can you maybe recognize the problems with the USB host in rev. B7 or how it were fixed in the C rev.? Thanks.
  • [13:19:07] <av500> puppy: no idea, they all are able to show windows...
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  • [13:20:08] <ajay> so is it require to remove all modem settings
  • [13:20:28] <das_steb> jkridner: sorry, this time with you real name. jkrider: You write the 'USBHostTestREPRODUCE' can you maybe recognize the problems with the USB host in rev. B7 or how it were fixed in the C rev.? Thanks.
  • [13:21:24] <jkridner|work> they were in early Rev. B boards....
  • [13:21:33] <jkridner|work> that were built including the host port.
  • [13:21:45] <jkridner|work> they were *mostly* fixed in Rev C....
  • [13:21:53] <jkridner|work> but there are some lingering power supply noise issues.
  • [13:22:32] <jkridner|work> Rev. C4 will move the USB I/O to a different LDO and apply some filtering to reduce the noise.
  • [13:22:59] <jkridner|work> lowering the voltage, and thus lowering the power consumption, has been seen to reduce the noise enough to avoid the hang-up....
  • [13:23:09] <jkridner|work> also, the hang-up can be recovered.
  • [13:23:13] <puppy> ajay, create a new profile (first icon) , name it, then adjust the settings and save.
  • [13:23:42] <jkridner|work> Jeff Lance had a patch to do the recovery, but for the life of me I haven't seen it show up externally and it drives me nuts. :)
  • [13:23:50] <av500> jkridner|work: it can? wasnt the bad news that it cannot?
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  • [13:24:01] <jkridner|work> av500: I might have missed the bad news.
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  • [13:24:24] <jkridner|work> it was still my understanding that it could, but that an appropriate patch hasn't been floated.
  • [13:24:51] <jkridner|work> av500: have I otherwise summarized the facts properly?
  • [13:25:04] <das_steb> thanks, that helps a lot. first time i think of the pulldown resistor at the CLK wire.
  • [13:26:00] <jkridner|work> so, I think there is also an issue in the software with auto-adjustment of the PLL, which might also help avoid the noise issue.
  • [13:26:13] <jkridner|work> I'm not down in this code, however, at all.
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  • [13:27:56] <das_steb> jo, thanks. that helps.
  • [13:29:36] <puppy> do gnome programs work without gnome installed?
  • [13:30:02] <puppy> refering to x11 environment
  • [13:30:06] <mru> no
  • [13:30:13] <mru> that's why they are gnome programs
  • [13:30:16] <puppy> thank you!
  • [13:30:25] <puppy> i though so..
  • [13:30:29] <mru> if they worked without gnome, they'd be proper programs
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  • [13:32:25] <ajay> puppy, av500 http://pastebin.ca/1666462 is my current setting which is dialing AT commands.
  • [13:32:43] <edufelipe> How can I disable the terminal that appears on screen after everything loaded (I'm in console only)
  • [13:35:05] <puppy> ajay: even with default settings i get garbage on the screen after turning on beagle..
  • [13:35:12] <ajay> puppy, av500 is it require to connect board through USB as well..sorry i am doing first time i am not sure what i am missing
  • [13:35:27] <puppy> nope
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  • [13:35:56] <puppy> i use a serial com1 null modem cable
  • [13:36:20] <ajay> puppy, same i am using.
  • [13:36:25] <ajay> com0
  • [13:36:34] <av500> ajay: kill the Init string, it should not hurt but is annoying
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  • [13:36:56] <puppy> com 0? no com 1 or com 2... perfer com 1
  • [13:37:03] <av500> ajay: rest looks ok, given that you are connected to the right serial port
  • [13:37:33] <ajay> av500, how to kill init string?
  • [13:37:44] <av500> ajay: you are aware of the fact that the 10pin cable can comes in 2 varieties?
  • [13:37:45] <ajay> just remove from configuration
  • [13:37:46] <puppy> and his wiring is correct... if you get garbage on screen then your wiring is good
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  • [13:38:14] <ajay> av500, yes i have cable which is connected one to one
  • [13:38:20] <ajay> no cross connection
  • [13:38:30] <av500> then its the wrong one :)
  • [13:38:39] <puppy> lol
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  • [13:39:33] <adj> didn't he say his cable was null modem cable?
  • [13:39:34] <av500> unless you have a pair of modem in between
  • [13:39:46] <av500> adj: didnt he says connected 1:1?
  • [13:40:04] <puppy> rx and tx crossed
  • [13:40:16] <puppy> on the board
  • [13:40:22] <adj> yeah, but I got an impression that the 10-pin cable was 1:1
  • [13:40:29] * av500 never believes what is said or written about a serial cable, only trusts mr fluke
  • [13:40:40] <adj> 15:09 < ajay> av500, yes i have null modem cable
  • [13:40:46] <av500> adj: ah
  • [13:41:01] <adj> I totally agree with you on using fluke
  • [13:41:02] <ajay> adj,av500 i too have null modem cable
  • [13:41:16] <ajay> and system has only one com port
  • [13:41:34] <ajay> so used /dev/ttyS0
  • [13:41:37] <adj> ajay: if you already got that init string to your console and as you don't have local echo turned on, I'd say it works
  • [13:42:44] <ajay> adj, will it takes more time to come propmt after running minicom command
  • [13:43:06] <adj> hit enter and see what happens
  • [13:43:30] <ajay> Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys AT S7=45 ???0=0 L1 V1??Y4?????????1!E1!Q0 after enter nothing is happening
  • [13:43:45] <puppy> ah ha!
  • [13:44:01] <puppy> something did happen...
  • [13:44:35] <adj> connect cables, run minicom, reboot your beagle
  • [13:44:37] <DesktopMa> koen: they finally shipped the igepv2 boards. took ages!
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  • [13:48:37] <ajay> adj, after pressing reset button i have ran minicom command but still it not worked.
  • [13:49:13] <puppy> hold down user button during power up on beagle board
  • [13:50:02] <adj> holding user button will not do any good unless you have properly configured memory card inserted
  • [13:50:42] <adj> ajay: run minicom *before* powering up the beagle...
  • [13:50:54] <av500> ajay: leave minicom running
  • [13:51:10] <av500> mine runs unless there is a power outage---
  • [13:51:56] <ajay> av500, adj shall i remove 5V and then connect after starting minicom or reset will do all need full for reboot
  • [13:53:10] <adj> reset should be enough
  • [13:54:47] <ajay> after reset there is no change in output of minicom
  • [13:55:03] <ajay> still it shows AT command
  • [13:56:18] <adj> does your beagle have any leds glowing?
  • [13:57:07] <ajay> adj 4 leds are glowing
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  • [13:57:42] <adj> good
  • [13:58:03] <ajay> adj, so there is no board hardware issue am i right?
  • [13:58:20] <ajay> either cable / configuration problem
  • [13:58:36] <adj> propably your cables are not correct or not set up correctly
  • [13:59:10] <ajay> i have first connected cable to system and then powered up board
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  • [14:00:03] <puppy> page 114 of the beagle board reference manual states exactly the wiring
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  • [14:01:40] <mru> I had a crazy thought
  • [14:01:54] <mru> what happens if you use the sdma to write to its own control registers?
  • [14:03:24] <ajay> puppy, same cable i have and connected IDC10 pin1 to board 1 pin of IDC10
  • [14:05:05] <puppy> only pins 2, 3, and 5 are used... 2-rx... 3-tx... 5-gnd
  • [14:06:28] <av500> mru: eternal DMA transfers
  • [14:06:30] <tomba> mru: planning a perpetual motion machine? =)
  • [14:06:35] <av500> is it turing complete?
  • [14:06:56] <mru> av500: I was thinking about how far you could push it
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  • [14:07:35] <mru> it already supports, intentionally, linked transfers
  • [14:07:44] <av500> mru: yes
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  • [14:08:00] <av500> but will it run ffmpeg?
  • [14:08:04] <mru> lol
  • [14:08:34] <mru> tomba: a more practical question, how can I find the physical address of a framebuffer?
  • [14:08:42] <ajay> is there any way to debug?
  • [14:08:47] <mru> in userspace of course
  • [14:08:50] <mru> easy in kernel...
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  • [14:09:24] <av500> with an ioctl? :)
  • [14:09:46] <ajay> because only after doing power off and power on AT string changing to ???????????????????????????????????????????????? these symbols but still xloader is not booting
  • [14:09:51] <mru> av500: yeah, but is there one already?
  • [14:10:00] <ajay> shall i remove external memory
  • [14:10:06] <ajay> and reboot
  • [14:10:09] <mru> ah, there it is
  • [14:10:43] <_koen_> mru: did you manage to convince tomba to enable the overlay optimizations in dss2?
  • [14:10:44] <av500> ajay: these are the modem init strings, remove them
  • [14:10:53] <mru> _koen_: not yet
  • [14:10:59] <av500> does it gain anything?
  • [14:11:03] <mru> speed
  • [14:11:10] <av500> not in my use case
  • [14:11:17] <mru> no?
  • [14:11:26] <av500> osd alpha blended over video, no
  • [14:11:33] <av500> only for video over osd
  • [14:11:39] <av500> but that's so 80's
  • [14:12:03] <mru> when I play a video on the archos, I see no overlay
  • [14:12:07] <mru> unless I tap the screen
  • [14:12:23] <av500> yes, in the case you see no osd, it is off :)
  • [14:12:43] <av500> nothing to optimize :)
  • [14:12:57] <mru> ah
  • [14:13:09] <mru> that's what I'm doing in omapfbplay now
  • [14:13:15] <av500> overlay optimiziation work only on opaque overlays
  • [14:13:23] <mru> naturally
  • [14:13:24] <av500> like a video hiding a part of gfx
  • [14:13:35] <mru> think xvideo
  • [14:13:45] <av500> I try not to think x*
  • [14:13:55] <mru> some people still do
  • [14:14:03] <av500> I always end up in which wm to use :)
  • [14:14:14] <mru> ratpoison
  • [14:14:44] <mru> if you looked at tcvp, you might have noticed some weird X stuff going on
  • [14:14:49] <ajay> av500, after removing init string ..it is just waiting after Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys
  • [14:15:18] <av500> ajay: not reboot the BB
  • [14:15:21] <av500> ajay: now reboot the BB
  • [14:15:32] <av500> mru: didnt venture that far...
  • [14:16:04] <av500> I only looked at the code that our legal said was ok to look at :)
  • [14:16:14] <mru> there's stuff there that only uses X to position the window
  • [14:16:23] <mru> then talks to hardware directly to make things happen there
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  • [14:17:25] <ajay> av500, i did but still no change..can tell me debugging way.
  • [14:18:00] <av500> ajay: as said, the serial normally works, if it does not there is something wrong with your setup
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  • [14:18:19] <av500> usually it is a cabling issue
  • [14:18:27] <ajay> av500, setup do you mean in minicom setup or hardware?
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  • [14:18:50] <av500> 2 cables x 2 varieties makes 4 possible combinations and only one works...
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  • [14:20:40] * av500 thinks the next BB should have a dedicated usb serial port that fits a mini-B...
  • [14:21:19] <mru> then people will confuse it with the otg
  • [14:22:02] <av500> the zoom2 comes with 5 mini-Bs, exposing 10 internal debug uarts :)
  • [14:22:42] <av500> I think even the uart has a debug uart...
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  • [14:24:38] <puppy> Configure the Terminal program for (BAUD RATE - 115200, DATA - 8 bit, PARITY- none, STOP - 1bit, FLOW CONTROL - none)
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  • [14:26:57] <puppy> inside minicom properties set: window keys on... ctrl+h... emulation tty... telnet ID: TTY
  • [14:28:15] <puppy> make sure your host computer serial port (COM1) is set to the exact settings above
  • [14:28:42] <puppy> make sure minicom is running and then power the beagle board.
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  • [14:29:16] <puppy> if you have no uboot or other loader, you will see nothing.
  • [14:29:26] <av500> except 40T
  • [14:29:38] <puppy> have'nt seen that one
  • [14:29:56] <adj> window keys, emulation tty, telnet ID...?? where on earth did you find those settings in minicom?
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  • [14:30:30] <puppy> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBootHwSetup
  • [14:31:14] <puppy> AH... file - properties
  • [14:31:41] <adj> you are not talking about minicom, are you?
  • [14:31:48] <puppy> yes
  • [14:32:31] <av500> in the past, most such issues were resolved with the proper cabling, not by oscure minicom settings...
  • [14:32:50] <av500> its not like the BB says: "what, no VT100, I'll stay mute"...
  • [14:33:04] <adj> puppy: minicom is a text based client, sounds like you are talking about some GUI software
  • [14:33:12] <adj> puppy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minicom
  • [14:33:16] <av500> (it could still paint a fancy bootlogo with ANSI colors though... :)
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  • [14:33:35] <puppy> when you run minicom, create a profile, the adjust settings, then adjust properties.
  • [14:34:07] <puppy> i'm running a windows program
  • [14:34:22] <puppy> or windows version of minicom
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  • [14:35:31] <adj> that's something completely different than what most people understand as minicom
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  • [14:37:31] <av500> c:\ rename solitaire.exe minicom.exe
  • [14:37:40] <puppy> lol he he
  • [14:38:21] <puppy> why not use hyperterminal ? that works too
  • [14:38:33] <adj> it's crap
  • [14:38:42] <puppy> i know but it works
  • [14:39:51] <av500> and you can assing a cute icon to your BB connection :)
  • [14:40:17] <av500> If you like defunct ISP icon ...
  • [14:41:10] <adj> if there's no need to send files or anything other than just type and read text, PuTTY gives me least headache
  • [14:41:15] <puppy> i hate windows, the sooner i get rid of it the better
  • [14:43:50] <av500> format c:\
  • [14:44:08] * XorA cant wait for Windows for Touchbooks
  • [14:44:39] <_koen_> heh
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  • [14:45:13] * mru suggests putty for windows
  • [14:45:43] <puppy> is moblin connection manager any good?
  • [14:46:07] <mru> I bet not
  • [14:46:17] <mru> simply because *no* connection manager I've seen is any good
  • [14:46:21] <mru> they all do the wrong thing
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  • [14:53:29] <puppy> Koen: did anyone figure out the problems with s-video out noise issues?
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  • [14:54:36] <puppy> has it been resolved?
  • [14:55:25] <mru> unsolder the jack, job done ;-)
  • [14:55:52] <puppy> ah, no... that would not be my first option!
  • [14:56:35] <puppy> i need it working for my HMD glasses...
  • [14:56:54] <mru> it does double nicely as a handle of sorts...
  • [14:57:50] <mru> it's the 21st century, there's no need for svideo anymore
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  • [15:00:22] <puppy> i use svideo for head mounted display for portability
  • [15:01:29] <av500> ppl lokk funny at you when you walk around with the 19" DVI in front of your face?
  • [15:01:33] <av500> look
  • [15:02:00] <puppy> why use a small display when you can get a 50inch display...
  • [15:02:01] * mru looks at the little lcd pins
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  • [15:07:02] <puppy> ebay sells hmd for less then $200 weighs only 50grams, extremely low power consumption, 50inchs at 6ft
  • [15:07:55] <av500> yeah, totall destroyed the market for my head mounted 19" holder...
  • [15:08:42] <ShadowJK> Atleast people aren't walking around with 15" CRTs counterweighed with tower PC and batteries anymore
  • [15:08:43] <av500> but it will have the upgrades 6x19" one soon...
  • [15:08:54] <puppy> older hmd... yep.. i also have a vga 800x600 one...
  • [15:12:37] * XorA wants HMD glasses
  • [15:13:55] <puppy> i'm still looking around for a decent replacment to k eyboard mouse, i'm presently using a flexible keyboard which can be rolled up
  • [15:14:14] <mru> ShadowJK: I've seen the photo you're thinking of
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  • [15:15:54] <puppy> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=virtual+video+glasses&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=video+eyware&_osacat=0
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  • [15:16:31] <puppy> ohhh.. 80inch 3d... yummy!
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  • [15:22:01] <puppy> the battery life on the new hmd is about 6hrs usage before usb recharge
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  • [15:23:03] <ShadowJK> puppy, what kind of resolution does $200 get you?
  • [15:23:08] <av500> vga
  • [15:23:27] <puppy> around vga.. think more like tv quality
  • [15:23:51] <puppy> but a bit more...
  • [15:24:07] <ShadowJK> all of them composite or svideo?
  • [15:24:29] <puppy> composite video on most
  • [15:25:04] <puppy> svideo can be converted to composite through just wiring it.
  • [15:25:36] <puppy> http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html
  • [15:27:23] <puppy> so now with the beagle board and hmd you have a nice portable computer with a large screen display.. can't beat that
  • [15:29:00] <ShadowJK> what does higher resolution cost?
  • [15:29:16] <ShadowJK> seems like most of these are 1 or 2m viewing distance?
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  • [15:30:36] <puppy> actually, the more pixels the better the resolution the more money it will cost. mine are kinda pixely.. viewing distance is about 6ft
  • [15:31:54] <puppy> and mine where $230 from 2 years ago
  • [15:32:10] <puppy> so they have gotten better
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  • [15:49:27] <eFfeM> koen, did you seem my msg here in this channel from 8 am ?
  • [15:50:15] <eFfeM> any suggestion where to start looking ?
  • [15:52:52] <javaJake> eFfeM: my logs go back to 9am, and they show no mention of your name since then.
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  • [15:53:22] <eFfeM> javaJake: the message was from 8am CET (GMT+1)
  • [15:54:27] <javaJake> +1... I'm in -5, so... 6 hours behind
  • [15:54:50] <javaJake> 8-6 = 2a EST, I'm guessing. Let me check again
  • [15:55:55] <javaJake> eFfeM: sorry, 000-0800 +0500 is blank in my logs.
  • [15:56:42] <eFfeM> Here it is:http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2009-11-11 at the 07:00:12 mark
  • [15:57:27] <javaJake> Nice
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  • [16:04:08] <_koen_> eFfeM: yeah, I saw your message, I'm meeting with customers the next few days, so I won't have time to really look at it
  • [16:04:17] <_koen_> eFfeM: maybe RP has some hints for it
  • [16:04:34] * _koen_ needs to fix .dev upto qt/e for these customers
  • [16:05:33] <dual> Is there a 3d model of the RevC boards?
  • [16:06:34] <prpplague> dual: there is a sketchup model of the RevB iirc
  • [16:06:46] <prpplague> dual: but i don't think anyone has done it for revC
  • [16:07:05] <dual> prpplague, maybe I should take the RevB board and modify it to look like a rev c one
  • [16:07:09] <dual> Ok
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  • [16:09:31] <eFfeM> koen, understood, i found the bad line I think but will ask RP for advice
  • [16:09:32] <eFfeM> ./cpan.bbclass:export PERL_ARCHLIB = "${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/${@get_perl_version(d)}"
  • [16:09:46] <eFfeM> get_perl_version is probably not working properly
  • [16:09:58] <eFfeM> but will ask RP
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  • [16:15:13] <prpplague> dual: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=9904cdeba8e76daca3374bbb8941adff
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  • [16:17:32] <djlewis> gm all
  • [16:17:49] <djlewis> time for me to set in a productive mood :P
  • [16:17:51] <prpplague> djlewis: yea whatever
  • [16:17:57] <djlewis> hehee
  • [16:18:07] * prpplague hands djlewis coffee
  • [16:18:21] <djlewis> umm
  • [16:19:31] <djlewis> prpplague: takes me back to my 3-D CAD days.
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  • [16:20:39] <djlewis> a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away ....
  • [16:26:17] <prpplague> djlewis: hehe that reminds me of that "Robot Chicken" star wars skit
  • [16:27:10] <prpplague> djlewis: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/63248/detail/
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  • [16:39:18] <rs> i try to enable Vout drivers in 2.6.29 on a custom board and i get compilation error like: drivers/i2c/i2c-core.c:148: multiple definition of `pdata' ; drivers/media/common/tuners/tuner-xc2028.c:1172: first defined here
  • [16:39:31] <rs> has anyone seen this before?
  • [16:39:57] <rs> i have no idea why tuners drivers are getting enabled even though i dont do that in makemenuconfig
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  • [16:41:21] <rs> pdata comes from include/linux/percpu.h
  • [16:41:38] <rs> not sure what could be wrong, any idea?
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  • [16:49:21] <dual> Would it be possible to power 1 usb hub and the beagle board from the same power outlet?
  • [16:49:54] <Kevin`> yes, they both normally run on 5v
  • [16:50:12] <dual> But there's only one cable from the outlet
  • [16:50:52] <dual> USB>MiniUsb from the USB hub, would that work?
  • [16:50:53] <Kevin`> you'd need to be a bit creative with the wire. or power the board from a usb port on the hub.
  • [16:51:32] <Kevin`> that's an interesting situation, you'd be connecting the board to itself
  • [16:51:40] <dual> Kevin`, can I split the cable from "plug" to go to 2 5Vs?
  • [16:51:51] <Kevin`> there are cables available that just take the power from usb, though (and connect to the power input)
  • [16:52:00] <Kevin`> yes, you can
  • [16:52:12] <dual> And that would still be able to power both?
  • [16:52:37] <Kevin`> yes. if your power supply can supply enough power for both devices
  • [16:52:58] <dual> Which is usually the case?
  • [16:53:53] <Kevin`> yes. even a 1a supply would work for the board and a hub (simple logic, the board runs off of usb, and the hub requires less then the power available on a usb port if used unpowered)
  • [16:54:05] <Kevin`> usb providing .5a
  • [16:54:29] <Kevin`> I think the reference manual has specifics on power usage. the web site too
  • [16:55:04] <dual> Kevin`, Ok, thanks :)
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  • [17:03:22] <dual> Would this power the beagle? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060
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  • [17:08:42] <prpplague> dual: at 500mA per hour it would last about 4.5 hours
  • [17:09:55] <dual> prpplague, cool. Any other recommended batteries?
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  • [17:11:12] <prpplague> dual: sorry i don't normally do alot with after market products like the battery you pointed out
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  • [17:11:35] <dual> prpplague, ok.
  • [17:12:20] <prpplague> dual: if i need some add on, i build it, hehe
  • [17:13:07] <dual> prpplague, If I know how, I would too. How did you learn such things? School?
  • [17:14:11] <djlewis> bbl...
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  • [17:14:58] <prpplague> dual: hacking and surrounding myself with knowledgeable people
  • [17:15:14] <dual> prpplague, ok
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  • [17:19:55] <dual> prpplague, is it possible to split an usb cable to power both the bb and a hub?
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  • [17:20:34] <prpplague> dual: yes, there are a number of ways to power the beagle
  • [17:21:22] <dual> prpplague, I thought that might be a good way of doing it, because I have a lot of usb>minusb cables, but 1 or 2 5v power supplies
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  • [17:25:20] <roaming> hi there, got a question trying to create a bootable SD disk for ??ngstr??m however I just got stuck in a step. It says "Create the FAT32 partition for booting and transferring files from Windows. Mark it as bootable." How can I mark a partition as bootable in Windows? And how can I create this partition?
  • [17:26:24] <roaming> And how much should I leave for the boot? (how many mb?)
  • [17:26:31] <rs> roaming: doesnt fdisk allow you to do that
  • [17:27:10] <roaming> does it ? I'm really a newbie here? I was following the step by step instructions from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [17:27:28] <roaming> I'm currently on step 5
  • [17:27:42] <roaming> rs : can you walk me through?
  • [17:28:57] <Ceriand|work> roaming: the best way in windows to do it would probably be to use the "Disk Management" app in mmc
  • [17:29:27] <roaming> Ceriand|work : thank you however how would i mark as bootable in windows?
  • [17:29:29] <rs> roaming: i think it does - i need to reboot my system to take you through
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  • [17:29:57] <roaming> rs : I will be gratefull for any assistance...
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  • [17:30:59] <Ceriand|work> roaming: if you right click on the partition in Disk Management, there is an option called "Mark Partition as Active"
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  • [17:32:01] <roaming> Ceriand|work : It is currently unabled... Can it be enabled?
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  • [17:33:51] <Ceriand|work> roaming: does it say "Active" in the third line of the partition block?
  • [17:34:02] <Ceriand|work> eg: "Healthy (Active)"
  • [17:34:09] * prpplague wonders why people try to do linux dev on windows
  • [17:34:28] * Ceriand|work agrees
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  • [17:34:43] <roaming> Ceriand|work : It only says healthy... I'd rather do it in linux
  • [17:35:11] <roaming> Can someone walk me through for linux?
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  • [17:36:05] <Ceriand|work> roaming: those instructions you linked to are for linux
  • [17:36:39] <roaming> but then why does it say "Create the FAT32 partition for booting and transferring files from Windows. Mark it as bootable. "
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  • [17:37:17] <rs> roaming: im afraid i dont have fdisk installed on my windows pc
  • [17:37:31] <rs> sorry
  • [17:37:41] <rs> dont you have access to a linux machine
  • [17:38:02] <Ceriand|work> roaming: I think it means that you format it as FAT32 in case you want to transfer files from windows
  • [17:38:10] <roaming> i see
  • [17:38:13] <Ceriand|work> you don't necessarilay need windows
  • [17:38:14] <roaming> ok got it now
  • [17:38:17] <roaming> great
  • [17:38:18] <roaming> :D
  • [17:38:22] <roaming> suddenly i'm happy
  • [17:38:40] <roaming> ok will continue... it's my first time ... sorry to bother you all...
  • [17:39:06] <rs> np
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  • [17:42:23] <fabian_> hi, i have a quick question, googling still for an answer but if you could save the work i would really appreciate that, a preoviously working ubuntu stopped working, kernel load hangs at this message: twl4030_rtc twl4030_rtc: Enabling TWL4030-RTC
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  • [17:49:32] <puppy> argggg
  • [17:49:41] <puppy> strange... I created an XFCE distro, no errors, it boots, gets to a screen with online keyboard and requests password-username, but the keyboard-mouse don't work, any ideas???
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  • [17:51:51] <puppy> does XFCE work with Angstrom?
  • [17:54:33] <puppy> ARG... frustrating...
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  • [17:58:38] <_koen_> so, joining for 5 minutes, asking questions and not waiting for answers
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  • [18:01:58] <_koen_> khasim: patches please :p
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  • [18:13:02] <eFfeM> koen, RP is away for dinner, found this to be wrong: ${STAGING_DIR}/${HOST_SYS}/perl/config.sh No idea for a fix yet, HOST_SYS expands to arm_... iso armv7a_....
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  • [18:20:27] <mru> _koen_: keeping up with omapfbplay changes?
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  • [18:24:44] <_koen_> mru: keeping an eye on them
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  • [18:25:12] <_koen_> mru: did something change in the last hour?
  • [18:25:19] <mru> nothing important
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  • [18:25:39] <mru> I thought you might like the automatic allocation of fb memory
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  • [18:25:44] <_koen_> yeah
  • [18:26:11] <_koen_> although you don't need that if you do the omapfb.foo=1:8M,2:4M, etc in bootargs
  • [18:26:36] <mru> of course not
  • [18:26:38] <jkridner|work> all the Lightning Talk videos, except for the Zippy Board, are now on-line: http://www.youtube.com/user/jadonk#p/c/2106992D1BCA228A
  • [18:26:44] <mru> if you do that, I use whatever is there
  • [18:27:09] <_koen_> to get it into google: omapfb.vram=0:10M,1:4M,2:4M'
  • [18:27:37] * _koen_ needs tripple buffering on his 32bit gfx plane
  • [18:27:38] <mru> 10M for 0, what are you doing?
  • [18:27:57] <_koen_> makes the sgx drivers run 'better'
  • [18:28:00] <mru> hehe
  • [18:28:41] <mru> omapfbplay has grown much bigger than I initially expected
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  • [18:46:36] <jkridner|work> av500, _av500_: you still around?
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  • [19:03:14] <ds2> morning
  • [19:03:26] <mru> morning ds2
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  • [19:05:48] <jkridner|work> morning ds2.
  • [19:05:54] <jkridner|work> I'm stepping out for a quick lunch.
  • [19:06:10] <jkridner|work> (and hoping to come back to more Lightning Talk entries ;) )
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  • [19:51:58] <cringthis> mru: care to elaborate on cmem?
  • [19:52:17] <ds2> cringthis: please refrain from using color extensions.
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  • [19:53:01] <mru> cringthis: have you looked at it?
  • [19:53:18] <cringthis> A little. :)
  • [19:53:41] <cringthis> What don't you like?
  • [19:53:52] <mru> the way it looks
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  • [19:54:21] <cringthis> :) Beauty is only a lightswitch away.
  • [19:54:21] <mru> if you see an ugly girl on the street, what is it you don't like?
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  • [19:56:18] <ds2> WTF
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  • [20:00:21] <ds2> mru: not that... my server did a close() on my client socket for no reason
  • [20:00:37] <ds2> so either it croaked or it got very confused
  • [20:01:15] <ds2> lunch, BBl
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  • [20:23:53] <puppy> HELP!
  • [20:23:57] <puppy> Problem, i have tried several times to create a angstrom distro, each time i had no untar errors and no install errors, but have no mouse/keyboard. i get to the login keyboard screen and can't mouse mouse or type username/pass... Any ideas. I have the newest u-boot and uimage and distro.bz2 files.... ANY ideas???
  • [20:24:38] <PhastPhrog> USB mouse & keyboard?
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  • [20:25:01] <puppy> I had it working this morning before i decided that i wanted a totally new clean install\
  • [20:25:10] <PhastPhrog> Oh-oh...
  • [20:25:39] <PhastPhrog> Was going to suggest; make sure you're not using an unpowered hub, but that's all I can think of. I'm no guru :(
  • [20:25:41] <puppy> so, i'm using all the newest software. the board is a c3
  • [20:26:27] <puppy> i have powered hub on supply on the otg port. have also tried both otg and no otg
  • [20:26:39] <puppy> switching
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  • [20:29:03] <puppy> would'nt it make sense that if i am at the new user details screen user/password, that the software would be working?
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  • [20:31:51] <cooldude_> hi... i have a very simple doubt...can my keyboard connected to BB using a USB hub which is not a self powered hub. and an externel power supply of 5v
  • [20:31:52] <cooldude_> ?
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  • [20:35:50] <puppy> ????????????????????? ARG......#^&!@&*@
  • [20:36:14] <mru> argc or argv?
  • [20:38:48] <djlewis_> puppy: I dont suppose you have a serial console port connected?
  • [20:39:17] <djlewis_> what happened with av500, this is his shift ;)
  • [20:39:58] <puppy> could it be the revision of recent kernel is causing no enumeration on the otg port?????
  • [20:40:26] <puppy> yes, i have it on.. i have root access
  • [20:40:32] <djlewis_> lsusb?
  • [20:40:56] <djlewis_> have devices other than the two onboard hubs?
  • [20:41:08] <djlewis_> r even them?
  • [20:41:28] <puppy> i have only the one hub connected for mouse and keyboard
  • [20:41:36] <puppy> on the otg port
  • [20:41:41] <djlewis_> the report from lsusb?
  • [20:41:55] <puppy> not found
  • [20:42:03] <djlewis_> what not found?
  • [20:42:14] <puppy> hold on
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  • [20:42:25] <djlewis_> hanging... aeeeee!
  • [20:42:30] <djlewis_> fell
  • [20:43:23] <puppy> bus 001 device 001:id 1d6b:0002
  • [20:43:48] <djlewis_> sees one onboard then.
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  • [20:44:13] <djlewis_> unplug powered hub usb conn from BB and reinsert and do lsusb again.
  • [20:44:40] <djlewis_> or try hub in EHCI jack.
  • [20:45:59] <puppy> same
  • [20:47:11] <djlewis_> is your distro light in size? like maby the modules file needs installed?
  • [20:48:01] <puppy> as i was unpluging the mouse to plug into ehci i got an error: unable to enumerate
  • [20:49:17] <puppy> i'm using a default angstrom distro, fresh. nothing else installed.
  • [20:49:34] <puppy> the size was 111mb
  • [20:50:30] <puppy> what modules are you reffering to?
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  • [20:54:57] <djlewis_> puppt: from where, what link?
  • [20:55:01] <djlewis_> puppy:
  • [20:55:03] <puppy> i unplugged the otg and powered off the hub, then pluged it back in and powered up, no differance.
  • [20:55:34] <djlewis_> 111mb sounds light, from where did you get it?
  • [20:55:44] <puppy> angstrom.com
  • [20:55:57] <djlewis_> DEMO?
  • [20:56:04] <puppy> yes
  • [20:56:38] <puppy> it's got to be something really really stupid i'm missing
  • [20:57:35] <puppy> i mean it was all working till i installed clean using new uboot, image and distro.
  • [20:58:02] <djlewis_> like I said, you might need to add the modules.
  • [20:58:26] <djlewis_> from same site
  • [20:59:19] <puppy> yea... somethings not right, i'll do some searching on the google groups and see whats up
  • [20:59:34] <djlewis_> there is a uImage in /boot you might try
  • [21:00:07] <puppy> i thing thats the one i used...pretty sure
  • [21:00:39] <puppy> oooppps i gotta go... thanks for the assistance.. let you know what happens..
  • [21:00:41] <puppy> Thanks!
  • [21:00:45] <djlewis_> last I tried the DEMO's I had to install the modules as well.
  • [21:01:06] <puppy> what modules are you reffering to?
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  • [21:06:25] <djlewis_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [21:06:37] <djlewis_> if that is where you got your sources
  • [21:07:16] <djlewis_> he done gone....
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  • [22:22:01] <djlewis_> ds2: glad to have ya...
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  • [22:25:11] <ds2> djlewis: :D
  • [22:25:59] <ds2> djlewis: if I say XYZ is like a shift register... is that a meaningful description to you?
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  • [22:38:45] <mru> ds2: depends on what you're talking about
  • [22:39:02] <mru> there are things for which that description would make no sense whatsoever
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  • [22:44:38] <ds2> mru: okay... let's say passing bread down a long dinner table
  • [22:44:58] <mru> serial in, parallel out
  • [22:45:09] <ds2> what I am trying to figure out is if a shift register is a thing that would be understood by non hardware/non VLSI folks
  • [22:45:13] <djlewis_> ds2: doesnt work without zzy
  • [22:45:45] <djlewis_> joke, xyzzy..
  • [22:45:48] <ds2> mru: not a plate of bread, rather a single roll
  • [22:45:52] <ds2> djlewis: :D
  • [22:46:22] <mru> not sure I qualify as non-hardware
  • [22:46:24] <djlewis_> ds2: I know what a shift register is so if you want to call it one, why not.
  • [22:46:50] <mru> ds2: I understand what you mean
  • [22:46:54] <ds2> djlewis: 'k
  • [22:46:58] <djlewis_> but then i am somewhat a lowlevel software and hardware guy
  • [22:47:20] <mru> but then there were those years of electronic engineering studies...
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  • [22:47:34] <mru> never worked with hardware at that level
  • [22:47:44] <ds2> mru: oh... so you have a distinct advantage
  • [22:47:53] <mru> though I probably have some 74xx shift registers somewhere
  • [22:48:01] <ds2> okay does LFSR mean anything then?
  • [22:48:39] <mru> building a crc calculator?
  • [22:48:59] <ds2> CRC?!
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  • [22:51:02] <ds2> ohh... didn't even think of that
  • [22:51:18] <ds2> no, was thinking of a pseudorandom number generator
  • [22:51:28] <mru> is there a difference? ;-)
  • [22:51:52] <ds2> yes, hopefully the initial input would be less predictable ;)
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  • [22:52:47] <ds2> I am trying to calibrate the appropriate level for the talk
  • [22:53:25] <ds2> if I manage to confuse even you guys, I might as well stop now :D
  • [22:54:14] <mru> if software people are the target audience, I'd probably not use that description
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  • [22:56:08] <mnjosue> hola... alguien me puede ayudar con un problema tecnico con una beagleboard
  • [22:58:31] <snowman> no hablamos esponal bueno
  • [22:58:59] <ds2> hablamos solo un pico espanol... preguntas en ingles, por favor
  • [22:59:19] <ds2> mru: this is the lightning talks audience
  • [23:00:46] <mnjosue> ok i have a proble whit a beableboard whit the keyboard
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  • [23:01:27] <snowman> que esta el problemo?
  • [23:01:37] <mnjosue> I bougth a USB keyboard but this dont function
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  • [23:01:50] <mru> it only writes in spanish
  • [23:01:55] <mnjosue> my questios is why dont fucntion?
  • [23:02:02] <ds2> mi espanol es muy mal :(
  • [23:02:14] <snowman> well this is a question for you guys...
  • [23:02:15] <mnjosue> no hay problema
  • [23:02:17] <ds2> mnjosue: which USB port and are you using a hub?
  • [23:02:24] <mnjosue> yes
  • [23:02:31] <ds2> which USB port?
  • [23:02:43] <snowman> ds2: tu espanol es muy malisimo :-P
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  • [23:02:57] <snowman> kl
  • [23:02:59] <snowman> jk*
  • [23:03:04] <raster> putas!
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  • [23:03:06] <raster> :)
  • [23:03:15] <snowman> asno!
  • [23:03:22] <snowman> perra!
  • [23:03:55] <mnjosue> I use a hub for 4 ports
  • [23:04:04] <snowman> yo estoy en espanol uno a mi escuela
  • [23:04:06] <mru> raster: boo
  • [23:04:15] <mnjosue> 2 ports are from the mouse and keyboard
  • [23:04:22] <ds2> mnjosue: the Beagle Board has 2 USB ports. One is a Mini AB connector and hte other is a A connector... which one is the hub connected to?
  • [23:04:42] <mnjosue> the A connector
  • [23:04:52] <raster> snowman: ahora?
  • [23:04:56] <raster> mru: boo2!
  • [23:05:07] <ds2> that is the EHCI port... hmmm is the hub a USB 2.0 hub?
  • [23:05:14] <mnjosue> yes
  • [23:05:25] <ds2> is it powered?
  • [23:05:38] <snowman> raster: now? why'd u say now?
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  • [23:06:27] <raster> snowman: oh never mind. misread.
  • [23:06:29] <mnjosue> the keyboard not function but the mouse yes
  • [23:06:36] <snowman> mi esponal es asi asi
  • [23:06:37] <raster> "i was #1 in spanish @ school"
  • [23:06:43] <raster> was
  • [23:06:46] <raster> as opposed to am
  • [23:06:54] <ds2> mnjosue: no, does the hub have its own power supply?
  • [23:06:57] <snowman> raster: lol tu estas muy loco
  • [23:06:59] <raster> i've forgotten lots of my spansih
  • [23:07:09] <ds2> snowman: escuela or collegio?
  • [23:07:11] <raster> primarily as i never learned it formally - just picked it up fro gf + family
  • [23:07:34] <raster> havent used it for like 15 years
  • [23:07:45] <mnjosue> do you prefer that write in spanir or inglish?
  • [23:07:52] <snowman> ds2: I think it means different things but from what I mean, escuela = high school
  • [23:08:06] <raster> meo portuges e melhor
  • [23:08:16] <ds2> mnjosue: english if you want answers... I donno much in spanish
  • [23:08:22] <mnjosue> ok but is semejant to spanish
  • [23:08:39] <ds2> snowman: yes... that's what I was trying to find out ;)
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  • [23:08:56] <ds2> mnjosue: do you have a power supply for the hub?
  • [23:09:00] <snowman> doesn't escuela mean < college and colligo mean college?
  • [23:09:37] <snowman> collegio*
  • [23:09:39] <ddompe> escuela means school
  • [23:09:48] <ddompe> colegio means high school
  • [23:09:50] <mru> my spanish/mexican friends keep saying I should learn that stuff
  • [23:09:51] <ddompe> for spanish
  • [23:10:00] <snowman> well then what's college?
  • [23:10:07] <ddompe> universidad
  • [23:10:08] <ds2> ddompe: is that true even in the castille flavor?
  • [23:10:11] <snowman> OH YA!!!
  • [23:10:27] <mnjosue> no I give power to the beagle board conet this directly to the electricall conection
  • [23:10:44] <snowman> yo estoy in collegio
  • [23:10:45] <ds2> mnjosue: I think your keyboard wants too much power. Try using a hub with its own power
  • [23:10:48] <snowman> en*
  • [23:10:57] <ddompe> ds2: I'm costarican, so I can say is true for most latinamerica
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  • [23:11:05] <dexem> does anybody know about DevKit8000?
  • [23:11:10] <ds2> mnjosue: a hub that is powered by upstream is limited to 100mA per port
  • [23:11:38] <ds2> ddompe: unfortunately, the schools here teach Spain's spanish which makes it confusing for some of the details
  • [23:11:40] <ddompe> probably there could be variants of the meaning on different countries (and also education systems)
  • [23:11:59] <snowman> yo voy a la Borderlands
  • [23:12:12] <mnjosue> the keyboard instructions say that output +/- 12v a 5vcc 100 mA max
  • [23:12:16] <ddompe> well, spanish slang is very diversified on most of the world
  • [23:12:35] <ddompe> I can't understand a word of a colombian speaking on local slang
  • [23:12:46] <ds2> mnjosue: that makes no sense... there is no 12V on the USB port.. I have used several USB keyboards that want too much power
  • [23:13:02] <ddompe> for spanish spain is mostly the same kind of relation you find between us english and british
  • [23:13:04] <mru> ds2: there is no such thing as "Spain's spanish"
  • [23:13:27] <ds2> mru: the instructor calls that castille (sp?)
  • [23:13:41] <ddompe> mru: right, castellano
  • [23:13:42] <mru> castillian is but one of the variants
  • [23:13:43] <snowman> is iriendo = "going"?
  • [23:13:55] <ddompe> is the dominant spanish lexican that was teached on america
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  • [23:14:09] <ddompe> yendo = "going"
  • [23:14:27] <ds2> arrg... ir is an annoying very
  • [23:14:38] <snowman> ? add iendo to make a gerund
  • [23:14:42] <snowman> correct?
  • [23:14:46] <ddompe> right
  • [23:14:49] <snowman> ir + iendo = iriendo
  • [23:14:55] <dexem> snowman, but this verb is not regular
  • [23:14:58] <dexem> :)
  • [23:14:58] <ddompe> correr, corriendo
  • [23:15:01] <snowman> oh
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  • [23:15:06] <snowman> fuck irregular verbs
  • [23:15:14] <ddompe> granted
  • [23:15:33] <snowman> Yo yendo a jugar la Borderlands
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  • [23:15:58] <ds2> well... except the 2 more common verbs are irregular
  • [23:16:12] <ddompe> yo voy a jugar la borderlands
  • [23:16:20] <ds2> ir and whatever is the infinitive for esta
  • [23:16:26] <ddompe> estar
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  • [23:17:06] <snowman> yo estoy voy a jugar la borderlands = that is finally right!!
  • [23:17:30] <ddompe> remove the "estoy"
  • [23:17:56] <snowman> ? I am going yo estoy voy
  • [23:18:12] <ddompe> I'm going == yo voy
  • [23:18:28] <snowman> oh
  • [23:18:31] <snowman> gotcha
  • [23:18:52] <ddompe> actually, now that I think twice is weird that english has two verbs for that sentence
  • [23:18:58] <snowman> can't expect much from a spanish 1 student with half a semester
  • [23:19:03] <ddompe> "be" and "go"
  • [23:19:06] <ds2> ddompe: Interesting... I been told by people from Mexican that the Yo is rarely used...
  • [23:19:21] <ds2> as the voy can only be paired with yo anyways
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  • [23:19:38] <ds2> s/Mexican/Mexico/
  • [23:19:46] <snowman> yah I think yo and tu and nosotros and all of those are implied because of the verb conjugation
  • [23:19:54] <ddompe> I thing yo is pretty common, depending on the country it could be other persons that aren't very used
  • [23:20:10] <snowman> is that right?
  • [23:20:33] <ddompe> for example in costa rica different areas use different common speaking styles
  • [23:21:04] <ddompe> for example, you don't speak to someone you don't know of "vos"
  • [23:21:05] <snowman> my spanish teacher says you don't need the subject in the sentence because the verb implies it
  • [23:21:35] <ddompe> snowman: not when talking
  • [23:21:46] <ddompe> or IM
  • [23:21:55] <dexem> that's true, but... well, better to know correctly the language, isn't it?
  • [23:22:01] <ddompe> but when you write it is kind of informal to skip the subject
  • [23:22:02] <snowman> oh writing is implicit and speaking isnt
  • [23:22:12] <ddompe> is always implicit
  • [23:22:22] <snowman> gotcha
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  • [23:22:26] <ddompe> and is valid and formal to omit it when talking
  • [23:22:46] <ddompe> and if you know how to use it, also when you write
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  • [23:26:09] <ds2> is the vosatros forms ever used in latin america?
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  • [23:26:56] <mru> there are pronouns that only exist in one of spain and latin america
  • [23:27:02] <mru> don't remember which are where
  • [23:27:12] <ds2> oh
  • [23:27:29] <rtennill> ran into someone one time that used it but can't remember where they were from, i think it was just because it was a semi-formal setting
  • [23:27:52] <mru> note, I'm just repeating what I've been told... never studied spanish properly
  • [23:27:55] <mru> probably should...
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  • [23:28:46] <tehpola> iirc, vosotros is mostly just used in Spain
  • [23:28:57] <tehpola> I just took a few years in high school and college though
  • [23:29:15] <ds2> sounds like we need a voice translator app for the Beagle that will figure out the right variation to use based on a GPS input ;)
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  • [23:29:40] <mru> universal translator, yay!
  • [23:30:35] * ds2 waits for a babelfish project to appear on the list
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  • [23:33:06] * mru wouldn't be surprised
  • [23:33:17] <mru> some of those projects are way too ambitious
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  • [23:35:56] <ds2> different topic - is NEON safe to use in the kernel?
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  • [23:48:06] <mru> ds2: no
  • [23:48:16] <ds2> okay
  • [23:48:17] <mru> why'd you want to do that?
  • [23:48:28] <ds2> the table lookup instructions are so neat
  • [23:48:41] <mru> what are you doing?
  • [23:48:50] <ds2> talking to odd bad displays
  • [23:49:01] <mru> sure it's not better done in userspace?
  • [23:49:01] <ds2> need to shuffle data around
  • [23:49:06] <mru> sounds like userspace job
  • [23:49:17] <ds2> it'd be if there was a userland framebuffer driver
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  • [23:49:39] <ds2> trying to get away with using stock framebuffer software...otherwise, I'd do the entire driver in userland
  • [23:53:28] <mru> I think I'm missing some details...
  • [23:53:59] <ds2> probally
  • [23:54:30] <ds2> got a foobar display... I want to provide a fb0 type interface so some userland stuff will "just work"
  • [23:54:41] <ds2> performance willbe horrible anyways soignore that
  • [23:54:54] <mru> what's the quirk?
  • [23:54:55] <ds2> AFAIK, I can't do a virtual frame buffer in userland
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  • [23:57:10] <mru> but what's special about the displays?
  • [23:58:50] <rtennill> anyone familiar with angstrom on omap3evm? Do i really need to keep the partition with just uImage on it at 50M or can i drop that down?
  • [23:58:59] <ds2> the order it wants it...it speaks SPI for starters
  • [23:59:06] <ds2> I'll figure out something
  • [23:59:18] * djlewis_ is heading home, bbl...
  • [23:59:34] <Crofton|work> rtennill, you can drop that
  • [23:59:39] <Crofton|work> the FAT partition?
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