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  • [00:23:01] <archae0pteryx1> Can anyone comment on why the sound for the BB can be built as a module when AFAIK the build fails?
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  • [00:42:11] <crwper> Hi all. I've been playing with the BeagleBoard a bit, and have got Angstrom up and running.
  • [00:42:18] <crwper> I've also done a bit of cross-compilation, and built a small "Hello world" program.
  • [00:42:37] <crwper> The medium-term goal is to build a navigational system built around the BeagleBoard.
  • [00:43:34] <crwper> So, next step for me is to interface with a GPS. I can launch right into that, but it's my first time working with an embedded Linux system, so I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on the "idiomatic" way to handle things.
  • [00:44:24] <crwper> In particular, I've seen this kind of thing broken down into separate programs, with calls made to the system the same way most programmers would just call a function.
  • [00:44:37] <crwper> I've also played with the devices in /dev to turn on LEDs and such.
  • [00:44:45] <crwper> So, it seems there are a lot of different ways to go about things.
  • [00:45:45] <crwper> Just wondering: If you were going to interface to a GPS on the serial port, what might you consider *other than* simply reading from the serial port?
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  • [00:50:26] <djlewis> make your life simpler and interface your gps to a usb
  • [00:51:25] <djlewis> I plugged in a Delorne usb receiver to my BB usb and it was too somple to get the date.
  • [00:51:32] <djlewis> simple
  • [00:51:53] <djlewis> as for software, write it or us some of the tons already available
  • [00:52:17] <crwper> I'm using a Topcon TG-3 GPS, which uses a straight serial interface. I've built an expansion board with FFC connector for the GPS, going to the expansion UART.
  • [00:52:33] <djlewis> cool. is it NEMA?
  • [00:52:34] <crwper> No problem writing software--I've been programming for 25 years.
  • [00:52:52] <crwper> No, uses a proprietary protocol which offers complete control of the GPS.
  • [00:52:57] <crwper> But it will return PVT messages.
  • [00:53:02] <djlewis> lots of old farts on this channel ;)
  • [00:53:04] <crwper> 100 Hz.
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  • [00:53:17] <crwper> :-) Not really that old, just been programming since I was 5.
  • [00:54:03] <crwper> What I'm really wondering is this: I could launch in and just start writing/reading the serial port, but I'd rather take the opportunity to do things in a "Linuxish" way, if it is sensible.
  • [00:54:37] <crwper> I noticed the LEDs and such on the BeagleBoard are broken out in /dev, and was thinking one way I might go about things is to write a device driver which abstracts away the serial interface to the GPS.
  • [00:54:42] <crwper> And just returns positions.
  • [00:54:53] <crwper> But, I don't know if that's a case of "shiny new hammer and everything is nails".
  • [00:54:55] <crwper> :-)
  • [01:06:31] <crwper> Ah, my mistake--the stuff I had in mind was in /sys/class/gpio, not /dev. So perhaps not device drivers, but just other programs, after all.
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  • [01:22:09] <archae0pteryx1> crwper : there's gpsd
  • [01:22:36] <archae0pteryx1> There may be other location APIs - placez? Can't recall off the top of my head
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  • [01:24:36] <crwper> Thanks! I'll take a look at that. I'm a bit of a Linux noob, and just realized that /sys/class is also device-driver related. Learning about that now.
  • [01:28:43] <archae0pteryx1> crwper : I admittedly haven't done much actual development with the BB but looking at linux phones may provide some guidance - I can't speak to android, but if I was going to start from scratch, openmoko and maemo are distributions for phones so may also have some more ideas for location frameworks lying around
  • [01:29:23] <crwper> archae0pteryx1: Awesome, thanks. That's the kind of thing I'm looking for--just need to get a feel for how things are usually done.
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  • [01:59:42] <sradhakrishna> hi.
  • [02:00:04] <sradhakrishna> i am trying to use gstreamer with beagleboard.
  • [02:00:45] <sradhakrishna> am following the instructions in ReadMe.txt that accompany the downloads from gstreamer website.
  • [02:00:55] <sradhakrishna> it refers to a certain DMAI being installed.
  • [02:01:10] <sradhakrishna> need some help in getting it installed...
  • [02:01:18] <sradhakrishna> how do I go about doing that?
  • [02:01:25] <sradhakrishna> i am using ubuntu as my distro...
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  • [02:52:16] <sakoman__> root
  • [02:52:28] <sakoman__> oops :-)
  • [02:52:44] <djlewis> almost saw your pwd ;)
  • [02:53:18] <ds2> /msg sakoman__ /exec rm -rf /&
  • [02:53:20] <ds2> oops ;)
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  • [02:54:34] <sakoman__> you would have seen another root since I was logging into the gnome distro on my overo :-)
  • [02:54:45] <sakoman__> or trying to anyway :-)
  • [02:54:56] <djlewis> boreing ... :(
  • [02:55:03] <sakoman__> helps to use the right keyboard :-)
  • [02:55:14] <djlewis> I get lost that way..
  • [02:55:22] <sakoman__> me too, obviously!
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  • [03:38:23] <djlewis> sakoman__: , ds2: , I just verified that v4l2 does indeed work with my webcams.
  • [03:38:42] <sakoman__> how did you do that?
  • [03:39:22] <djlewis> I dnld'd and built fswebcam on my wkstn. It has no ties to ffmpeg or gstreamer
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  • [03:40:23] <djlewis> and output is this: http://pastebin.com/m2f41414d
  • [03:41:10] <djlewis> thats -v = verbose, -F numframes, file
  • [03:43:15] <sakoman__> djlewis: how do the images look?
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  • [03:43:58] <djlewis> Looks good. I moved my head over the 30 frames and I have a nice smear.
  • [03:44:05] <djlewis> 4 frames looks sharp
  • [03:44:22] <djlewis> there is a color bar at the bottom of the image that I am not sure about yet.
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  • [03:44:48] <djlewis> the program allows text overlay and sucg. I may need to disable something with args
  • [03:46:20] <djlewis> it was a trick getting it to build as I had to swap my GD libraries from non-xml to xml
  • [03:47:06] <djlewis> configure kept claiming there was no libgd.so.2.0.0, but there was
  • [03:48:35] <djlewis> the function configure was calling did not respond until the change.
  • [03:49:03] <sakoman__> do you plan to use that app on your robot?
  • [03:49:30] <djlewis> dunno. just been trying to test a raw v4l2 for performance measurements.
  • [03:49:58] <djlewis> just got it working so too early to tell.
  • [03:50:19] <djlewis> did you follow my dialog with ds2 regarding cam apps, last night?
  • [03:50:37] <sakoman__> no, sorry
  • [03:51:19] <djlewis> results are that mplayer opens with v4l2 and rolls cam decoding over to ffmpeg as v4l2 cant decode it.
  • [03:52:14] <djlewis> gstreamer works well at 17%cpu with 640x480, ffmpeg 38%, mplayer 80%
  • [03:52:50] <sakoman__> 17% is pretty good
  • [03:53:02] <sakoman__> 80% is not :-)
  • [03:54:09] <djlewis> just now fswebcam topped out at 15% with the 320x240 over 300 frames
  • [03:54:45] <GrizzlyAdams> :P i was refused entry into the beagle board google group
  • [03:55:29] <GrizzlyAdams> apparently blowing one up by accident is unacceptable
  • [03:55:42] <djlewis> hehee, you should be ashamed...
  • [03:56:59] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [03:59:46] <djlewis> sakoman__: fswebcam at 640x480 over 300 frames topped at 27%cpu
  • [04:04:05] <djlewis> OhNO! thses numbers are on my 3Ghz wkstn. They will blow up a BeagleBoard.
  • [04:04:46] <sakoman__> heh, I thought it sounded too good
  • [04:05:02] <djlewis> the group of apps were on the BB
  • [04:05:46] <djlewis> it may be due to the process fswebcam is running. I'll look at it farther later.
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  • [04:06:17] <djlewis> anywell, I accomplished something tonight and on that note, its bedtime.
  • [04:06:24] <djlewis> gn all
  • [04:06:31] <sakoman__> gn djlewis
  • [04:10:33] <prpplague> djlewis later
  • [04:13:45] <prpplague> ho ho hum, is it friday yet?
  • [04:14:05] <sakoman__> RSN
  • [04:15:07] <prpplague> i hate late night conference calls to tawain
  • [04:15:53] * sakoman__ is glad he doesn't have to do those anymore
  • [04:17:14] <prpplague> sakoman__ hows that board bringup?
  • [04:17:34] <sakoman__> off for a PCB spin
  • [04:17:43] <prpplague> ahh
  • [04:17:52] <sakoman__> the issues were HW, not SW
  • [04:18:11] <sakoman__> (well, except for the one magic "make it work bit)
  • [04:18:16] <prpplague> sakoman__ i've got some x-rays to do tomorrow on a pcb, trying to reverse engineer it with almost no docs
  • [04:18:33] <prpplague> sakoman__ ahh fun fun
  • [04:18:34] <sakoman__> yuk
  • [04:18:52] <sakoman__> over/undershoot on clock lines
  • [04:19:04] <sakoman__> need series resistor
  • [04:19:46] <prpplague> sakoman__ not going to white wire them for testing?
  • [04:20:17] <sakoman__> heh, if only! 2 BGA's with all traces on inner layers
  • [04:20:38] <prpplague> ahh
  • [04:20:40] <prpplague> fun fun
  • [04:21:04] * prpplague finishes call
  • [04:21:08] <prpplague> off to bed
  • [04:21:15] <sakoman__> gn prpplague
  • [04:21:36] <prpplague> sakoman__ later bud
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  • [05:06:15] <av500> hi guys
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  • [05:24:36] <Guest92524> hello, I'm a new guy in beagleboard
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  • [05:26:55] <Guest92524> I have a problem: How to compile kernel(v2.6.32) for using USB keyboard in the OTG?
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  • [05:38:26] <Guest92524> anybody here???
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  • [05:45:45] <ThomasEgi> Guest92524, about 130 people. asking that question makes little sense.
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  • [05:46:36] <ThomasEgi> if you need help with something, feel free to ask. if someone knows he/she'll answer
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  • [06:04:49] <Guest92524> sorry, my problem is how to copile a uIamge that can use USB keyboard in OTG?
  • [06:07:13] <adj> doesn't latest angstrom kernel support that?
  • [06:09:25] <Guest92524> I git version 2.6.32???compile OK??? but can't use USB keyboard.Possible reason is that?
  • [06:12:04] <Guest92524> Incidentally, I download a uImage which other compiled is OK,so I want know what I miss?
  • [06:15:41] <adj> is there really a good reason you want to use latest git head kernel?
  • [06:16:27] <adj> you will be missing lots of things like DSS2, some patches which might solve your OTG issues etc...
  • [06:18:21] <Guest92524> I think u are right, but I don't know which patches are I need, how can I know it?
  • [06:19:23] <adj> use OE to bake your kernel, it will patch the kernel for you
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  • [06:20:53] <adj> if you can't name the reasons why you really need the latest stuff in .32 you will not miss anything by using .31 or even .29 created by OpenEmbedded
  • [06:25:25] <av500> adj: but a newer kernel is always betta! no?
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  • [06:25:56] <Guest92524> I just follow some???s advise???I am a rookie.
  • [06:26:16] <adj> av500: oh, I seem to have forgotten that again
  • [06:27:40] <Guest92524> if I only use make, how can I patch the kernel?
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  • [06:34:13] <adj> use OE to bake your kernel, it will download all the patches you need and even patches the kernel for you
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  • [06:36:19] <Guest92524> Thank u very much, I will to try.
  • [06:36:26] <adj> or, if you insist on doing it all manually (which is insane), take a look at relevant OE recipes and see which patches you need
  • [06:36:40] <Beagle0> Hi
  • [06:37:59] <Beagle0> I have two cards, the first one is connected to USB hub, then we plug in a webcom and we can see wabcam on LSUSB and /dev/video0 /dev/v4l
  • [06:39:04] <Beagle0> on the second one, we have a webcam welded directly on the card, we can see it using LSUSB but nothing in the directly /dev/v*
  • [06:39:14] <Beagle0> can someone help plz?
  • [06:40:25] <Beagle0> for information: the same webcam and the same card, the only different is the way that the webcams are connected
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  • [07:22:00] <Adventus> Hello.
  • [07:22:06] <Adventus> Could someone compile my math-neon project and post the console output?
  • [07:24:04] <Adventus> I mean after running it on beagleboard.... :)
  • [07:25:33] <Adventus> http://code.google.com/p/math-neon/
  • [07:47:54] <koen> sakoman__: bluez4 doesn't need an initscript anymore, udev will start it as soon as it notices a bluetooth adaptor :)
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  • [08:13:59] <Wecool_> Hello everyone !
  • [08:14:18] <Wecool_> I have some sort a strange problem :)
  • [08:14:45] <Wecool_> I tried the angstrom distrib from the oe environement for my beagleboard (followed the tutorial)
  • [08:14:49] <Wecool_> and it works
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  • [08:15:12] <Wecool_> but when I take the Angstrom distrib with a ccross compiled kernel of my own
  • [08:15:13] <Wecool_> ...
  • [08:15:23] <Wecool_> the usb device doesn't work
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  • [08:16:00] <Wecool_> I followed another howto to get the kernel with patches and all from the oe environment
  • [08:16:14] <Wecool_> compiled it and no usb ...
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  • [08:16:51] <Wecool_> any idea ?
  • [08:16:58] <av500> you made a mistake?
  • [08:17:07] <Wecool_> ok but when
  • [08:17:30] <Wecool_> at first I did my own stuff it didn't work so I tried the howtos
  • [08:17:36] <Wecool_> and still the same problem
  • [08:17:46] <av500> well obvioulsy the kernels (or the config) differ
  • [08:18:43] <Wecool_> ok how do I get the good kernel sources and config ?
  • [08:19:09] <Wecool_> I followed this tuto http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel
  • [08:20:51] <av500> no idea, never did this
  • [08:20:57] <Wecool_> It seems pretty good to me
  • [08:21:14] <Wecool_> what did u do ? :) Maybe that would work for me :)
  • [08:21:34] <av500> as said, I did not do that
  • [08:21:47] <Wecool_> I tried a lot of things there is something wrong but I can't figure out what
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  • [08:21:57] <Wecool_> oh ok
  • [08:22:11] <av500> you could build the kernel with oe (make it not delete the sources) and compare
  • [08:22:19] <Wecool_> I though u didn't do the howto
  • [08:23:39] <mru> morning
  • [08:23:45] <av500> gm
  • [08:24:19] <Wecool_> mornin
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  • [08:40:38] <Beagle0> Hi
  • [08:40:47] <Beagle0> I have a problem
  • [08:40:59] <av500> I have one too
  • [08:41:02] <Beagle0> some modules do not load during startup
  • [08:41:35] <Beagle0> like cmem videodev uvcvideo v4l1_compat
  • [08:42:10] <Beagle0> so I can see my webcam but not /dev/v4l* /dev/video0
  • [08:42:46] <av500> depmod -a?
  • [08:42:57] <Beagle0> videodev uvcvideo v4l1_compat I can load them by: modprobe
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  • [08:43:02] <Beagle0> but not cmem
  • [08:43:03] <av500> also, cmem is mostly loaded by hand
  • [08:43:49] <av500> yes
  • [08:43:56] <av500> load it by hand
  • [08:44:14] <Beagle0> av500 FATAL: Error inserting cmemk (/lib/modules/2.6.30-omap1/kernel/drivers/dsp/cmemk.ko): Invalid argument
  • [08:44:32] <av500> what arguments did you give?
  • [08:44:46] * koen looks at http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434
  • [08:45:02] <Beagle0> av500 no arguments
  • [08:45:31] <Beagle0> I thought modprobe name_of_module will be all
  • [08:45:32] <av500> thats invalid
  • [08:46:02] <Beagle0> av500 oki, but it works with videodev uvcvideo...
  • [08:46:14] <av500> koen: nice, but who is the guy next to Jackie Chan?
  • [08:46:25] <Beagle0> av500 so what to gibe as argument?
  • [08:46:48] <Beagle0> to give :D
  • [08:47:01] <av500> dunno how your dsp is setup
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  • [08:47:46] <Beagle0> av500 I am biginner I do not know much
  • [08:48:20] <koen> av500: :)
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  • [08:55:25] <Guest92524> I have seem about OE???I don't want to use it because I have installed toolchain(CodeSourcery's),I only want patch the kernel,what can I do?
  • [08:55:51] <av500> eFfeM: I have xmas present
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  • [09:00:26] <eFfeM> av500, cool, christmas in october :-)
  • [09:05:11] * hrw|gone is now known as hrw
  • [09:05:14] <hrw> morning
  • [09:06:05] <koen> I think I have this gnome stuff working: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4036983276/
  • [09:06:29] <koen> av500: how's the singing coming along?
  • [09:06:48] <av500> right
  • [09:07:20] <koen> this gnome stuff really doesn't like me carving out 30 megs for cmem and 20 for dss2
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  • [09:08:39] <eFfeM> koen, nice!
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  • [09:21:34] <koen> hrw: some people should learn how to copy/paste: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=e9b1030238f617ad6f93da440649606c78203532
  • [09:23:16] <hrw> let me gues.. kaeilos?
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  • [09:31:17] <ynezz> Anyone from .eu with spare Beagleboard?
  • [09:31:37] <ynezz> I need to buy one quickly...
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  • [09:32:35] <hrw> ynezz: 300??? + posting?
  • [09:32:55] <av500> 299 here
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  • [09:38:24] <QmParket> hey all :)
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  • [09:50:37] <ynezz> hrw: 300EUR ? :)
  • [09:51:11] <hrw> ynezz: can be 350??? if you think that 300??? is too small
  • [09:51:33] <ynezz> it's quite a lot
  • [09:51:35] * florian_kc is now known as florian
  • [09:51:47] <ynezz> i thought about 200-250EUR
  • [09:53:18] <adj> i would very happily sell my B4 for 250 eur :)
  • [09:53:39] <av500> you have a deal :-)
  • [09:53:41] <koen> greedy bastards :)
  • [09:54:03] <av500> koen: just coz u get it all for free....
  • [09:54:08] <av500> donate one :-)
  • [09:54:51] <ynezz> B4 heh
  • [09:54:52] <ynezz> :)
  • [09:55:49] <hrw> I have C3 ;)
  • [09:56:29] <ynezz> hrw: you're in Poland? So you can probably send it to some polish adress, so I can get it there?
  • [09:56:52] <ynezz> I'm from .cz
  • [09:57:02] <hrw> ynezz: I can send it to .cz also
  • [09:57:09] <ynezz> it's more expensive
  • [09:57:15] <ynezz> I live 10km from border
  • [09:57:25] * XorA|gone is now known as XorA
  • [09:57:27] <ynezz> and it's faster
  • [09:58:21] <hrw> so which city?
  • [09:58:29] <ynezz> Ostrava
  • [09:59:22] <ynezz> my friend have p.o.box on post in Chalupki, I usually pickup all .pl stuff there
  • [10:00:04] <ynezz> lunch, bbl
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  • [10:00:56] <hrw> ynezz: ok
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  • [10:05:46] * koen starts a build that should test the fix for the static libs breakage I introduces
  • [10:05:59] <koen> which is a nice time to grab a book and go to lunch
  • [10:06:21] <hrw> koen: I usually switch to other device at such moments
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  • [10:11:04] <QmParket_> Hi all :)
  • [10:11:08] <QmParket_> i've got a question
  • [10:11:15] <QmParket_> verry stupidd one :)
  • [10:11:39] <QmParket_> what exactly is GIT and where do i use it?
  • [10:12:14] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=git
  • [10:12:16] <QmParket_> on the beagle? or on the "host" computer
  • [10:12:37] <tasslehoff> QmParket_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=git ;)
  • [10:12:45] <adj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_%28software%29
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  • [10:14:55] <QmParket_> thanks for the linkx.. (saw them earlier ) but
  • [10:15:03] <QmParket_> i use git from the beagle it self?
  • [10:17:00] <QmParket_> or somehow from the host computer when i'm "installing" the linux distro on the sd card?
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  • [10:18:30] <adj> in short: you can use git to fetch source code for you to compile
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  • [10:18:57] <QmParket_> aham :] thanks
  • [10:19:24] <tasslehoff> QmParket_: if you use a pre-made demo image you don't need git to install it
  • [10:19:36] <QmParket_> no no
  • [10:19:51] <QmParket_> i mean if i use premade demo can i use git to patch things
  • [10:19:55] <QmParket_> and add things?
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  • [10:20:08] <QmParket_> like dspbridge and stuff
  • [10:20:09] <adj> no, you can't
  • [10:20:16] <QmParket_> or this stuff are made in the compile?
  • [10:20:30] <QmParket_> before the compile*
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  • [10:26:12] <QmParket_> i'll take the silence for yes :)
  • [10:27:32] <QmParket_> ok ah.. what about open embedded?
  • [10:27:36] <av500> QmParket_: take silence as confusion
  • [10:27:48] <QmParket_> yo:D
  • [10:28:04] <QmParket_> (well.. sorry not really good at english )
  • [10:28:48] <QmParket_> av500 i see openembedded uses git? is openembedded used to select and compile build the linux for be board?
  • [10:29:09] <av500> yep
  • [10:29:12] <QmParket_> compile build ::|| mistake :p
  • [10:29:17] <QmParket_> aham thanks :]
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  • [10:29:51] <QmParket_> btw what distro do you use on your host computer? (with openembedded)?
  • [10:30:50] <hrw> QmParket_: Debian, Ubuntu
  • [10:31:10] <eFfeM> QmParket_opensuse
  • [10:31:12] <QmParket_> what about readhat?
  • [10:31:16] <QmParket_> redhat*
  • [10:31:31] <XorA> fedora 11 works
  • [10:31:38] <XorA> RHEL5 should work
  • [10:31:42] <QmParket_> aaham :)0
  • [10:31:50] <eFfeM> technically I think you can use every distro, oe does not really depend on the host os
  • [10:31:57] <QmParket_> cause RHEL4 is "recomended" for the davinci DVEVM
  • [10:32:04] <eFfeM> at least linux distro that is
  • [10:32:12] <eFfeM> not sure if it will work under VMS :-)
  • [10:32:16] <hrw> eFfeM: some will just give strange results
  • [10:32:17] <XorA> eFfeM: you can, but the newest ones tend to break builds for a few weeks
  • [10:32:49] <hrw> XorA: and old ones tends to have qemu nonworking (fedora <9, rhel 4)
  • [10:32:59] <XorA> eFfeM: I had to take time to make sure the Fedora 11 RC worked so when FC11 hit streets worked fine
  • [10:33:37] <XorA> ~curse insecurity patches
  • [10:34:35] <hrw> execshield? :D
  • [10:35:04] <XorA> hrw: no that random patch fedora kept carrying which was discredited but they were too insecure to remove
  • [10:35:20] <XorA> all linux distros suffer from it
  • [10:35:57] <XorA> people get very insecure about removing duff patches, carrying them in build for years after their usefulness
  • [10:36:25] <XorA> even we did it with a gtk+ patch to add a variable that was never ever used :-)
  • [10:36:42] <XorA> I think it had just been rebased so many times people forgot what it was supposed to do
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  • [10:43:35] <QmParket_> am i'm looking at the openembedded requirements for disk space
  • [10:43:45] <QmParket_> minimum requirement - 12gb maximum: 35GB
  • [10:43:52] <QmParket_> whats the difference?
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  • [10:46:35] <av500> 23
  • [10:46:48] <bisco> I'm working with beagleborad clone, IGEPv2
  • [10:47:05] <bisco> but I'have problems with gstreamer-ti and boot args
  • [10:47:51] <bisco> if I set omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M,2:4M in u-boot
  • [10:47:52] <hrw> QmParket_: it depends what you will build and how
  • [10:48:12] <bisco> there is this error in kernel boot
  • [10:48:14] <hrw> QmParket_: I did builds on 6GB machines but has also 280GB build one day
  • [10:48:17] <bisco> omapfb omapfb: failed to allocate framebuffer
  • [10:48:45] <bisco> X and/or gst don't run
  • [10:50:04] <bisco> I'm using kernel 2.6.8.10, as set in igep0020 machine
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  • [10:52:27] <bisco> koen: Does the Enric's kernel correctly patched with DSS2 support?
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  • [11:02:36] <koen|phone> hi from the university
  • [11:03:21] <QmParket_> hey :)
  • [11:03:30] <hrw> koen|phone: decided to continue studying?
  • [11:04:08] <koen|phone> till i get my bsc
  • [11:05:24] <QmParket_> :) hrw another stupid one
  • [11:05:40] <QmParket_> what is the ML0 file used for (on the fat32 partition of my card)
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  • [11:06:38] <QmParket_> its MLO not ML0 sorry
  • [11:07:01] <koen|phone> first stage bootloader
  • [11:07:29] <QmParket_> aham thanks koen ;]
  • [11:12:43] <bisco> hi koen, I wrote you about igep
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  • [11:13:12] <fadi_> check my post in group http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/c850aaf45cba63e9# need help :(
  • [11:13:14] <bisco> I have same problem with igep0020 machine and gstreamer
  • [11:14:46] <fadi_> so any solution?
  • [11:14:53] <koen|phone> if you wait 3 hours brijesh Will be awake to answer gst questions :)
  • [11:15:21] <bisco> thank you
  • [11:15:37] <bisco> but I think the problem is DSS
  • [11:15:48] <bisco> dmai work well
  • [11:15:53] * koen|phone needs to check if the igep kernel has the memhole fix
  • [11:16:26] <hrw> koen|phone: then fix, build, check on igep board, commit?
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  • [11:17:13] <bisco> I don't know the Enric's DSS2 patch
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  • [11:17:31] <koen|phone> no board and the igep kernel is .28 which has problems with caching
  • [11:19:08] <fadi_> does any one have simillar problem like me
  • [11:19:10] <fadi_> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/c850aaf45cba63e9#
  • [11:21:25] <koen|phone> can you post a 2 line summary here?
  • [11:22:09] <bisco> ok, thank you
  • [11:22:53] <bisco> one problem, with u-boot arg: omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M,2:4M
  • [11:23:01] <bisco> on kernel boot
  • [11:23:02] <bisco> omapfb omapfb: failed to allocate framebuffer
  • [11:23:06] <bisco> omapfb omapfb: failed to allocate fbmem
  • [11:23:12] <bisco> omapfb omapfb: failed to setup omapfb
  • [11:23:17] <bisco> omapfb: probe of omapfb failed with error -12
  • [11:24:00] <fadi_> serial port didnt display any thing using hyper terminal
  • [11:24:04] <koen|phone> add vram=12M to bootargs
  • [11:25:56] <bisco> ok, but first i explain another problem without the previous bootarg
  • [11:26:29] <bisco> demux.video_00 ! TIViddec2 ! xvimagesink
  • [11:26:37] <fadi_> is there any one who can help me on http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/c850aaf45cba63e9#
  • [11:27:00] <av500> fadi_: well, something is wrong
  • [11:27:09] <av500> the serial port works for 99.9% of the people
  • [11:27:14] <av500> so the cable is wrong
  • [11:27:15] <bisco> start but the screen is always black
  • [11:27:20] <av500> so
  • [11:27:31] <av500> get the serial running 1st
  • [11:27:37] <av500> you will not regret it
  • [11:27:40] <fadi_> yes but i connect my another ARM 7 board it display perfectly
  • [11:27:54] <av500> well, then something is wrong
  • [11:27:57] <av500> the cable
  • [11:28:14] <fadi_> i use same cable which i use with another ARM 7 board
  • [11:28:17] <koen|phone> null modem?
  • [11:28:41] <fadi_> even i tested the cable with cable tester
  • [11:28:48] <fadi_> its 100% ok cable
  • [11:29:03] <av500> 10 pin header wrong?
  • [11:29:47] <fadi_> 10 pin? yes but there is no 10 cable is out from cable
  • [11:29:50] <fadi_> its only 9 cables
  • [11:30:17] <fadi_> from connector*
  • [11:30:34] <hrw> fadi_: then plug it reversed
  • [11:30:49] <fadi_> i also try that :(
  • [11:30:50] <fadi_> is this possibility that NAND is empty?
  • [11:30:53] <av500> fadi_: it could still be wrong/wrongly installed
  • [11:30:56] <av500> fadi_: sure
  • [11:31:00] <av500> boot from sdcard
  • [11:31:09] <av500> hold down the user button
  • [11:31:20] <fadi_> boot from sdcard is ok
  • [11:31:23] <av500> but again, most likely you end up in uboot and need the seria??
  • [11:31:25] <av500> but again, most likely you end up in uboot and need the serial
  • [11:31:32] <fadi_> it display the console
  • [11:31:35] <koen|phone> 40v
  • [11:31:43] <fadi_> but no display on hyper terminal
  • [11:33:23] <bisco> thank you koen, you are wonderful!
  • [11:33:51] <bisco> but now: ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstXvImageSink:xvimagesink0: Could not initialise Xv output
  • [11:34:35] <bisco> the angstrom image is the same of my old beagleboard!
  • [11:34:48] <fadi_> is there any proper method to reinstall NAND with its default factory setting by using sdcard?
  • [11:35:37] <koen|phone> try dmaiomapfbsink
  • [11:36:16] <bisco> no element "dmaiomapfbsink"
  • [11:36:35] <bisco> I can't understand if is a kernel problem or gstreamer sink
  • [11:36:41] <koen|phone> ehm
  • [11:37:02] <koen|phone> try gst-inspect | grep dmai
  • [11:37:39] <bisco> TICodecPlugin: omapdmaifbsink: Linux OMAP framebuffer sink
  • [11:38:11] <_roger_> TIDmaiVideoSink
  • [11:38:14] <koen|phone> that one :)
  • [11:38:43] <bisco> yes, but the screen is always black
  • [11:38:57] <av500> most todays moview are like that...
  • [11:39:05] <av500> w->s
  • [11:39:16] <koen|phone> _roger_: omapdmaifbsink integrates better with x
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  • [11:39:21] <koen|phone> although i have trouble remembering its name
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  • [11:41:53] <bisco> koen: now, without debug (--gst-debug=*:2) I can see the movie
  • [11:42:18] <koen|phone> Nice
  • [11:43:07] <bisco> If you want see Italy, I need host you!!
  • [11:43:12] <bisco> thank you very much
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  • [11:44:03] <bisco> koen: only last question
  • [11:44:03] <bisco> WARNING: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstOmapFbSink:omapfbsink0: Could not initialise X output
  • [11:44:30] <bisco> why this with omapdmaifbsink ?
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  • [11:48:44] <koen|phone> export DISPLAY=:0
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  • [12:50:40] <kash> hi there
  • [12:51:03] <kash> has anyone flashed the bootloader on beagle
  • [12:51:11] <kash> I guess I have bricked it
  • [12:51:23] <kash> accidentally erased the flash
  • [12:51:30] <adj> you can't brick beagle :)
  • [12:51:31] <koen> you can't brick a beagle
  • [12:51:42] <av500> you can't brick beagle!
  • [12:51:52] <av500> except with a brick
  • [12:52:05] <kash> I accidentally erased the nand flash
  • [12:52:17] <adj> you accidentally the whole flash?
  • [12:52:17] <kash> and now its not even showing anything on the serial
  • [12:52:18] <av500> so boot from SD
  • [12:52:30] <kash> I tried to boot from SD
  • [12:52:32] <adj> kash: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [12:52:40] <kash> but even that did not help
  • [12:53:35] <kash> I copied all the required files on the SD card
  • [12:53:51] <kash> pressed User button
  • [12:54:08] <kash> and then plugged in the power socket
  • [12:55:02] <kash> then stopped pressing the User button
  • [12:55:14] <kash> but the results don't change
  • [12:55:26] <adj> did you follow all the steps _precisely_ mentioned in http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation without skipping any step?
  • [12:56:34] <kash> I did not follow the instructions in Sources for board testing can be found at
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  • [12:58:37] <kash> adj.. Do I need to follow "Sources for board testing can be found at "
  • [12:59:37] <adj> no, but the preceding steps need to be followed
  • [12:59:58] <kash> yep I did that
  • [13:00:27] <kash> I don't see any output on the serial terminal
  • [13:00:46] <adj> it may be worth of mentioning that using normal windows tools to format the sd card wont suffice
  • [13:01:25] <kash> I am using HP USB Disk Storage Format
  • [13:01:28] <kash> utility
  • [13:01:38] <kash> do I need to partition the SD card as well
  • [13:01:43] <kash> ?
  • [13:01:55] <adj> that HP thingy also partitions the card correctly
  • [13:02:12] <adj> and MLO goes there as the first one to be copied?
  • [13:02:44] <_chase_> kash: Our intern found that the order you copied files was important (like adj is saying).
  • [13:02:55] <kash> yep I did that
  • [13:03:22] <av500> _chase_: the "intern"? :)
  • [13:03:34] <kash> as mentioned in "Copy the following files on to MMC in the following order: "
  • [13:03:44] <kash> at "http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation"
  • [13:04:33] <adj> sounds good so far. Have you tried another card?
  • [13:04:39] <_chase_> kash: You can read the exact steps he took to recover his rev C3 board (still don't know how it died) at http://beagleintern.blogspot.com/2009/10/beagle-board-recovery.html
  • [13:04:59] <koen> _chase_: good morning!
  • [13:05:42] <_chase_> koen: morning
  • [13:05:46] <kash> _chase_ I can't open this URL
  • [13:06:16] <kash> is the url correct
  • [13:06:17] <kash> ?
  • [13:06:20] <av500> yes
  • [13:06:22] <koen> _chase_: it seems I missed the confcall, I booted my laptop and it showed tons of overdue calls, sorry about that
  • [13:06:23] <_chase_> kash: works for me. I just tried it.
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  • [13:06:32] <_chase_> koen: not a problem.
  • [13:06:38] <av500> koen: no, there's tons more :)
  • [13:06:45] <av500> no problem
  • [13:06:52] <_chase_> yes, there are always more hahahahaha
  • [13:07:06] <av500> koen: just paste same access codes :)
  • [13:07:09] <av500> some
  • [13:07:30] <kash> can't even access " http://beagleintern.blogspot.com/ "
  • [13:07:54] <_chase_> kash: weird, I can access the link you just posted.
  • [13:08:17] <adj> so can I
  • [13:09:07] <kash> strange
  • [13:09:29] <kash> I have tried both firefox and explorer
  • [13:10:12] <_chase_> koen: don't you have exams coming up?
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  • [13:11:08] <kash> I formatted the card using FAT32
  • [13:11:18] <kash> do I need to create partitions as well?
  • [13:11:31] <_chase_> kash: yes
  • [13:12:09] <adj> iirc, that HP tool always re-partitions the card
  • [13:12:33] <kash> _chase_ the steps required to create partition using SD are not present at "http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation"
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  • [13:12:52] <kash> thats why I thought I did not need to create any partitions myself
  • [13:15:25] <koen> _chase_: I do, which is why I only turn on the TI laptop half an hour a day to check mail and try to make sense of the expense excel sheets
  • [13:15:44] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:15:55] * Crofton beats koen
  • [13:16:21] <_chase_> koen: good luck.
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  • [13:17:37] <kash> any other tips for getting the beagle up and running?
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  • [13:19:00] <koen> NOTE: generating locale gl_ES (UTF-8)
  • [13:19:09] <ynezz> hrw: thanks for the offer, but I got cheaper one
  • [13:19:10] <koen> OMG GLIBC HAS SGX SUPPORT!one!!1!!
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  • [13:20:39] <hrw> koen: o,rly?
  • [13:21:09] <hrw> kash: http://delicious.com/hrw/ - you will find there linux script to autopartition sd card
  • [13:21:16] <koen> YES IT SEZ gl_ES!!!
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  • [13:21:21] * koen will stop now
  • [13:21:27] <hrw> ynezz: I supposed - for how much you got?
  • [13:21:46] <ynezz> 161EUR incl. shipping
  • [13:22:23] <hrw> good price
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  • [13:36:41] <prpplague> ho ho ho, merry freakin friday
  • [13:37:15] <hrw> prpplague: aloha
  • [13:37:25] <prpplague> hrw: hey bud, what's cookin today?
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  • [13:37:40] <prpplague> GPSFan: hey bud
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  • [13:38:00] <GPSFan> prpplague: g'day
  • [13:38:13] <prpplague> GPSFan: sheep sausage for breakfast today?
  • [13:38:32] <GPSFan> naw, dinner ;>)
  • [13:39:05] <hrw> prpplague: buglabs stuff as usual
  • [13:39:14] <prpplague> hrw: ahh dandy
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  • [13:44:09] <GPSFan> prpplague: did you ever make any progress on uboot2?
  • [13:44:33] <prpplague> GPSFan: yes it is booting well on the beagle and other omap35xx
  • [13:44:43] <prpplague> GPSFan: just haven't had time to submit patches
  • [13:45:09] <GPSFan> prpplague: that's good, ah yes time.....
  • [13:45:39] <prpplague> GPSFan: i'm going to have a slow spot next week for a day or two that i hope to do some uboot and ubootv2 work
  • [13:45:45] <prpplague> GPSFan: might even try on sunday
  • [13:45:58] <prpplague> GPSFan: just have a large omap35xx contract i'm working on right now
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  • [13:46:23] <GPSFan> yumm, contract...
  • [13:46:47] <GPSFan> prpplague: any word on my box?
  • [13:47:57] <prpplague> GPSFan: yea, it went out via USPS instead of UPS, rusty said to expect it on monday/tuesday
  • [13:48:38] <prpplague> GPSFan: rusty and i have been so busy with seperate projects lately i've barely had time to talk to him
  • [13:48:46] <GPSFan> prpplague: I'll keep an eye out
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  • [13:49:05] <prpplague> GPSFan: i think he's snagged a big contract to do some sort of EVM for micrell
  • [13:51:49] * cbrake_away is now known as cbrake
  • [13:54:23] <paulg_> cbrake: can you answer some Mono questions i have?
  • [13:54:36] <cbrake> paulg_: I can try
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  • [13:56:05] <paulg_> cbrake: the default build still uses 1.2.6 and not 2.4.2.3 - is 2.4.2.3 not working?
  • [13:56:22] <cbrake> paulg_: 2.4.2.3 probably works better than 1.2.6, so I recommend that
  • [13:56:44] <cbrake> paulg_: there are still some minor issues with packaging, so I've not switched the default yet, but probably should
  • [13:57:24] <ddompe> koen: ping
  • [13:57:25] <paulg_> cbrake: i get Illegal Instruction when i run a simple 'hello world' program with 1.2.6 - is this the OABI_COMPAT issue?
  • [13:57:52] <cbrake> paulg_: likely
  • [13:57:59] <av500> why not eabi?
  • [13:58:29] <av500> ddompe: he must study for exams! :)
  • [13:58:30] <cbrake> av500: mono does some low level tricks in that it generates ASM code, and some of this still uses oabi
  • [13:58:38] <ddompe> ok
  • [13:58:45] <mru> so fix mono
  • [13:58:50] <cbrake> av500: that may be fixed in newer versions
  • [13:59:00] <cbrake> av500: or you just enable OABI in your kernel and be done with it
  • [13:59:04] <av500> ddompe: if I could I would kickban him from here until he passes...
  • [13:59:18] <paulg_> cbrake: the 2.4.2.3 fails to build correctly for me.. it seems to be using arm tools for the intel lib - does this build for you ok?
  • [13:59:20] <ddompe> jeje, yeah, thats a good idea
  • [13:59:44] <cbrake> paulg_: it did last time I tried -- what distro?
  • [14:00:03] <cbrake> paulg_: and did you also set the native and intermediate versions to 2.4.2.3?
  • [14:00:51] <koen> ddompe: pong
  • [14:01:22] <paulg_> cbrake: i built each recipe directly, its on the standard beagleboard angstrom latest
  • [14:01:40] <ddompe> just a quick question, what's the settled path for the installation of the codec combos on the fs? /usr/share/ti/codec-combos ? I'm adding that change on my branch (without env vars)
  • [14:01:42] <koen> cbrake: feel free do make 2.4.x default for angstrom since 1.2.x is broken
  • [14:01:51] <cbrake> koen: ok, will do shortly
  • [14:02:03] <cbrake> paulg_: I'll try a beagleboard build once I get off a call and let you know
  • [14:02:06] <koen> ddompe: ehm, I need to check OE for that
  • [14:02:17] <ddompe> no rush, no problem
  • [14:02:50] <koen> ddompe: /usr/share/ti/codec-combo seems to be the current default
  • [14:03:12] <paulg_> cbrake: how good is the arm jit for c#?
  • [14:03:15] <koen> ddompe: in OE that is, various arago versions might refine it to /opt/nfs or whatever
  • [14:03:23] <cbrake> paulg_: pretty good I think
  • [14:05:12] <cbrake> paulg_: from everything I've read. I've not done any super critical performance critical things in it, but some fairly large apps seem to work.
  • [14:05:54] <cbrake> paulg_: biggest complaint is startup time, but there are ways to opimize that if you want to spend the time
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  • [14:06:51] <GD_> Hi BeagleBoard experts - is it possible to use the dvi port as input?
  • [14:06:57] <paulg_> cbrake: ok, if you change the default build to 2.4.2.3, let me know and i can retry the build
  • [14:07:23] <cbrake> paulg_: will do in next couple hours
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  • [14:08:12] <kirma> GD_: unlikely unless it's explicitly designed to operate as one. as far as I know, DVI interfaces have either transmitter or receiver, but not both.
  • [14:08:40] <kirma> I mean, as separate components on the board...
  • [14:09:58] <mru> dvi is a one-way link
  • [14:09:58] <mru> well, mostly
  • [14:10:12] <mru> there's a low-speed serial interface for reading edid and the like
  • [14:10:42] <av500> HDMI over I2c :)
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  • [14:13:22] <paulg_> does anyone who the max amount of ram that can be fitted to the omap3 - i think it can address 1GByte?
  • [14:13:41] <mru> it can address 1G yes
  • [14:13:46] <mru> no such chips available though
  • [14:13:54] <mru> 512MB chips exist
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  • [14:14:45] <paulg_> thats a mobile momory limitation?
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  • [14:15:02] <av500> there are some issue around how much max mem the omap3 can address
  • [14:15:10] <av500> it used to be 256, dunno where it is now
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  • [14:15:24] <av500> or maybe that was due to the chips available at that time
  • [14:15:35] <mru> I've seen omap3 running with 512MB
  • [14:15:49] * koen has seen them as well
  • [14:15:56] <koen> there are/where some kernel problems
  • [14:16:03] <prpplague> as have i
  • [14:16:18] <koen> .32rc should have fixed most of the bugs related to 512MB
  • [14:16:28] <av500> ok, my hw guy says that was due to available pop chips
  • [14:16:28] * XorA wonders where his free 512M touchbook is :-)
  • [14:16:29] <ShadowJK> do 512M chips exist in volume?
  • [14:16:41] <mru> they should by now
  • [14:16:51] <mru> they were sampling 6 months ago
  • [14:16:55] <av500> depends on what you are willing to pay :)
  • [14:17:02] <ShadowJK> aw, my n900 will be obsolete before it arrives
  • [14:17:27] <janneg> which hardware is not obsolete before it arrives?
  • [14:17:33] <ShadowJK> :)
  • [14:17:48] <av500> janneg: real "hardware", like a hammer
  • [14:17:50] <koen> 1GiB might be sampleing now as well
  • [14:18:48] <janneg> av500: are you sure there doesn't exist a better hammer?
  • [14:19:14] <XorA> koen: stop showing off with your omap4 1G netbook goodness :-)
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  • [14:19:46] <av500> janneg: there always thors hammer to long for...
  • [14:19:51] <koen> sorry, will stop that
  • [14:20:12] <koen> so, have you seen my omap7 tablet with 8GB ram and 1TB ssd?
  • [14:20:36] <XorA> hehe
  • [14:20:40] <mru> av500: have you seen this new hammer, half the size and twice the power
  • [14:20:40] <av500> koen: took the pills today?
  • [14:20:55] <ShadowJK> koen, is that a "I can't believe I paid money for this"-jmicron SSD or a Indilinx or intel SSD? ;-)
  • [14:21:12] <hrw> koen: I heard that your obsoleted omap7 works just 36h on AA battery..
  • [14:21:14] <hrw> ,
  • [14:21:29] <av500> AA? they still make those huge things?
  • [14:22:07] <hrw> av500: something needs to provide weight...
  • [14:22:13] <av500> my rollup display phone pmp tablet fits into one...
  • [14:22:23] <koen> hrw: 38h according to the trm
  • [14:22:24] <paulg_> what arm netbooks are worth waiting for? there seems to be a large number on the way.. don't want to buy the wrong one just before an even better model appears.
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  • [14:22:53] <av500> paulg_: "waiting for" you dont care which one
  • [14:23:03] <XorA> paulg_: Pandora might be on its way
  • [14:23:11] * XorA hopes before xmas this year :-)
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  • [14:24:25] <paulg_> XorA: i have a Pandora on order - can't beleive how long it is taking.
  • [14:24:39] * hrw is not optimistic anymore about release dates of hardware
  • [14:24:41] <XorA> paulg_: hehe, Im not
  • [14:25:36] <XorA> cant wait for pandora angstrom goodness
  • [14:25:51] <paulg_> XorA: by the time it is released there will be a large number of cheaper netbooks based on arm.
  • [14:26:17] <prpplague> paulg_: hehe
  • [14:26:23] <av500> by the time the cheaper netbooks are release, there will be a number of faster/more mem arm netbooks :)
  • [14:26:37] <XorA> paulg_: luckilly none of the announced netbooks seem to be anywhere near release either
  • [14:26:40] <Beagle0> Hi
  • [14:26:48] <XorA> touchbook was supposed to be out 9 months ago or something
  • [14:26:51] <hrw> but why most of them will be 8.9"?
  • [14:27:35] * prpplague should really post pics of his hacked up omap3 laptop
  • [14:28:12] <Beagle0> what it is the module CMEMK?
  • [14:28:31] <av500> prpplague: do
  • [14:28:45] <prpplague> av500: problem is time right now
  • [14:28:51] <av500> Beagle0: google
  • [14:29:06] <av500> hrw: you want 9"?
  • [14:29:13] <hrw> av500: haha
  • [14:29:26] <hrw> av500: now I use 12" with XGA on trips
  • [14:29:42] <hrw> av500: 8.9" have too small keyboard for me
  • [14:29:51] * koen would like 11" or 12" with tiny borders
  • [14:29:59] <av500> wait for the itablet :)
  • [14:30:34] <hrw> koen: 13.3" in worst case?
  • [14:30:38] <paulg_> but it will have an iprice.
  • [14:30:52] <mru> and it will isuck
  • [14:30:57] <av500> like icare :)
  • [14:31:21] * XorA just wants a jack in the back of head
  • [14:31:28] <av500> ijack!
  • [14:31:31] <mru> imatrix
  • [14:31:46] * av500 takes the ipill
  • [14:32:21] <prpplague> av500: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2340839 uses that case
  • [14:32:31] <Beagle0> av500 : I found it is something for dsp cpu ... my question is: if this module does not load during the startup, what this can cause?
  • [14:33:30] <av500> that dsp stuff does not work
  • [14:33:38] <av500> prpplague: you hooked up the kbd?
  • [14:34:11] <prpplague> av500: yea used a atmega48 to decode the keyboard matrix and sends the scan codes via spi
  • [14:34:28] <hrw> prpplague: what kind of screen you use in it?
  • [14:34:37] <av500> 7 segment?
  • [14:34:39] <prpplague> hrw: the PSP display
  • [14:34:46] <av500> via atmega of course...
  • [14:35:13] <prpplague> av500: replaced the lcd with the PSP one
  • [14:35:18] <av500> ja
  • [14:36:00] <XorA> prpplague: dude you have too much time :-)
  • [14:36:27] <av500> prpplague: if I send you this, can you convert it: http://gadgeteer.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/elonex_onetwo3_white.jpg
  • [14:37:34] <prpplague> XorA: hehe
  • [14:38:14] <koen> hrw: 13.3 is a bit big
  • [14:38:23] <prpplague> av500: hmm, it's possible but one reason i like to use the kids educational laptops is they are mostly empty on the inside, lots of room for your own stuff
  • [14:38:33] <koen> hrw: my next laptop will be 13.3, so a netbook will have to be smaller
  • [14:38:53] <hrw> koen: ah, I do not plan to have laptop&netbook
  • [14:38:58] <prpplague> av500: i'll google around and see if i can find some info on that device
  • [14:39:07] * koen has a touchbook now, so doesn't need a netbook
  • [14:39:39] <av500> prpplague: dont bother :)
  • [14:39:54] * XorA wonders if koen is coming to OEDEM with his touchbook :-D
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  • [14:40:05] * prpplague wonders if av500 was joking with me
  • [14:40:33] <paulg_> i have a Touchbook on order.. will it arrive before my Pandora..
  • [14:40:41] <av500> prpplague: well, putting an omap3 inside would definetly be an upgrade for that thing :)
  • [14:40:51] <prpplague> av500: hehe
  • [14:41:21] <prpplague> av500: i had kicked around the idea of selling a retrofit kit for shoving a beagle into one of those vtech laptops
  • [14:41:40] <prpplague> av500: thats why i did the testing
  • [14:42:02] <av500> ah
  • [14:42:35] <av500> prpplague: not bad, I can get myself to do the dremeling, but not the atmegaing...
  • [14:43:01] <GD_> <kirma> Thanks - what about the s-video - might it be possible to use as input?
  • [14:43:10] <hrw> av500: try to find usb keyboard to fit in it
  • [14:43:16] <prpplague> av500: i've used the vtech and oregon scientific educational laptops in the past when i need to do mobile proof-of-concept and/or testing
  • [14:43:56] * XorA really should build an arm laptop out or lego one of these days
  • [14:44:00] <av500> hrw: I have this one: http://www.2trubki.ru/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/frogusb-fullview.jpg
  • [14:44:08] <prpplague> av500: yea there are a number of easy to use key-matrix usb chips
  • [14:44:25] <prpplague> av500: it was just easier for me since i had already done the atmega code for another project
  • [14:44:26] <hrw> av500: omg
  • [14:44:44] <av500> I just have to "learn" it now :)
  • [14:44:45] <prpplague> interesting
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  • [14:46:19] <prpplague> XorA: lego would be cool, but this is the one i've been meaning to get - http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2647159
  • [14:46:21] * av500 types hello with frogpad
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  • [14:47:08] <av500> prpplague: gee, it even has charlston heston on it...
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  • [14:48:06] <prpplague> hehe
  • [14:48:30] <sakoman> koen: should the DEPENDS for clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk be chaned to clutter-0.9 (or a PREFERRED_PROVIDER_clutter created)?
  • [14:48:35] <prpplague> av500: now wouldn't that be cool to walk into a geek conference with that having an omap3 inside?
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  • [14:49:35] <prpplague> less favorite part of doing hardware design, doing bill of material lists :(
  • [14:50:50] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:51:19] <koen> sakoman: that would need an update to those recipes since 0.8 and 1.0 are different APIs
  • [14:51:30] <koen> sakoman: 0.9 is what OE calls 1.0
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  • [14:52:04] <sakoman> right, I started looking at that to see if I could do a clutter enabled gnome-games
  • [14:52:25] <koen> I don't know which clutter api they are targetting
  • [14:52:39] <koen> beware that clutter 1.0 needs work to actually be usefull on gless
  • [14:52:53] <sakoman> they seem to need clutter-cairo and clutter-gtk
  • [14:52:57] <GD_> Hi Experts - might it be possible to use the S-Video port as input?
  • [14:53:06] <koen> sakoman: once clutter 1.0 builds I'm going to hand it to the TI sgx guru to enhance the gles stuff
  • [14:55:17] <koen> hint, hint
  • [14:55:22] <koen> :)
  • [14:56:11] <av500> GD_: no
  • [14:56:22] <av500> neither the DC-in :)
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  • [14:58:53] <wayne__> Hi guys, does any use the new OMAP EVM, if so how comparable is its ease of use compared to the BB?
  • [14:59:09] <av500> about the same
  • [14:59:22] <av500> except that many more ppl have BB
  • [14:59:41] <av500> evm has more omap3 stuff accessible
  • [15:00:38] <wayne__> Of course, I am very interested in the video inputs and the capabilities associated with them. There does not seem to be any documentation available yet.
  • [15:00:45] <sakoman> koen: a quick experiment changing to clutter-0.9 for the DEPENDS and bumping the SRCREV for clutter-gtk results in clutter-cairo, clutter-gtk, and gnome-games building OK
  • [15:00:56] <sakoman> whether it works or not . . .
  • [15:01:14] <koen> sakoman: ok, nice
  • [15:01:17] <av500> wayne__: what documentation?
  • [15:01:32] <koen> sakoman: clutter is a bit low on my personal TODO list, but higher on my TI one
  • [15:01:42] <koen> but since I have 2 weeks off from TI... :)
  • [15:02:13] <hrw> koen: ;)
  • [15:02:23] <eFfeM> koen, thought this time was for study =-O
  • [15:02:25] <sakoman> koen: I'll see what happens with my next image build. If things work I'll push my changes -- only 3 lines
  • [15:02:40] <hrw> near the bottom of my todolist is clutter for STn8815
  • [15:03:12] <wayne__> av500: http://tinyurl.com/yhwu7t4
  • [15:03:38] <av500> wayne__: does not compute here
  • [15:04:07] <wayne__> av500: http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdsevm3530.html?DCMP=dsps_omap3530prf_090819&HQS=Other+OT+omap3530perf-increase-etf
  • [15:04:28] <av500> ah yes, the EVM
  • [15:04:46] * XorA wonders if clutter manages to do better on beagle than on EEE 901
  • [15:05:10] <XorA> Netbook Remix is like watching linux is slowmo
  • [15:05:22] <hrw> XorA: i945 contra powervr?
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  • [15:08:00] <Tom_> Can anybody tell me how to download files from a PC to the BB SD Card via USBOTG? In the USB Configuration Angstrom screen it looks like this should be possible, but it never works.
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  • [15:08:45] <wayne__> I am outputting analogue video at the moment but decoding the digital stream can be a bit choppy, interested to see how the omap copes with passing a analogue video signal through it then out after some manipulation.
  • [15:09:10] <wayne__> Tom_: can you not use ethernet?
  • [15:09:43] <av500> wayne__: sorry, I dont get it
  • [15:09:59] <Tom_> I definitely prefer USB. Do you mean using USB-Ethernet hardware?
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  • [15:11:40] <wayne__> av500 I want to intercept a video stream be it digital or analogue, do some data processing then output the edited stream via svideo.
  • [15:14:02] <wayne__> Tom_:I connect to the BB as if it were a server using SSH, then I can just browse the file-system from my PCs desktop.
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  • [15:14:18] <av500> wayne__: in analog domain you
  • [15:14:31] <av500> wayne__: in analog domain you'd need to connect a capture chip
  • [15:14:50] <av500> on the CCDC port of the omap3
  • [15:15:05] <av500> then capture, process, output
  • [15:15:34] <av500> capture, resize and output can all be done in HW, so you have 100% cpu for process
  • [15:15:43] <wayne__> That new EVM look as though it does that, or are you talking about the BB?
  • [15:15:53] <av500> talking about omap3 in general
  • [15:16:04] <wayne__> ok gotcha.
  • [15:16:27] <av500> ah yes, new evm seems to capture analog video...
  • [15:16:58] <av500> on the BB you cannot access the CCDC pins
  • [15:17:10] <av500> so you could only capture over usb
  • [15:17:30] <wayne__> At the moment I have been decoding DVB transport streams using Mplayer but it can be a bit choppy.
  • [15:18:22] <av500> yes
  • [15:19:36] <wayne__> even with ao off and framedrop on, hence my interest in what the overhead will be like using the capture devices on the EVM
  • [15:19:56] <av500> as I said, all in HW
  • [15:20:11] <av500> but you are comparing apples to oranges
  • [15:20:19] <Tom_> Wayne: Thanks.
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  • [15:21:49] <wayne__> av500: I know what you mean, digital vs analogue. Will have to go and pester purchasing and see if they will buy an EVM, but only after the documentation is available.
  • [15:22:14] <av500> wayne__: your mplayer is spending 100% cpu to decode high bitrate MPEG2
  • [15:22:44] <av500> plus overhead to get it in via usb...
  • [15:23:29] <wayne__> what is the best way to monitor loads from the console? if at all possible.
  • [15:24:13] <av500> top
  • [15:25:03] <wayne__> ah ha, a new linux feature I did not know about thanks.
  • [15:26:53] <wayne__> av500: Thanks for for help, it is the end of the day and the weekend is here so I think I must be off. Cheers
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  • [15:32:30] <paulg_> see you later guys. time for the weekend to start.
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  • [16:12:27] <koen> hrw: using xf86-input-tslib instead of evdev should negate the need for an xorg.conf
  • [16:12:59] <hrw> koen: on which device?
  • [16:13:25] <koen> hrw: I've seen you add an atmel xorg.conf
  • [16:13:38] <koen> hrw: then copy/paste master mckoan copied it for ronetix
  • [16:14:00] <hrw> koen: tslib driver is not needed at all on at91 boards
  • [16:14:23] <hrw> evdev works fine, does not require calibration and only axis can be wrong
  • [16:14:31] <koen> my experience with evdev for touchscreens on X is less than stellar
  • [16:14:59] <hrw> my experience with xf86-input-tslib is "X server will die in 5,4,3,2,1,now"
  • [16:15:05] <koen> my touchbook ts started working a lot better after removing xf86-input-evdev
  • [16:15:14] <hrw> I run X, touch screen few times and X dies
  • [16:15:38] <hrw> not to mention that tslib one likes to ignore device
  • [16:15:46] <hrw> I have 2 separate TS on a bug
  • [16:16:00] <koen> well, if evdev works for you, use that :)
  • [16:16:05] <hrw> anyway need to go now - we can discuss that on monday
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  • [16:16:19] <koen> maybe atmel-ts is written than the ts drivers I use
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  • [17:23:48] <mcz_br> hey, people
  • [17:24:00] <mcz_br> touchscreen is working here
  • [17:24:19] <mcz_br> but TSc2046 stops working after a while
  • [17:24:29] <mcz_br> it stops sending interruptions
  • [17:24:49] <mcz_br> if i plug off the touchscreen controller board and plug on , it restarts normally
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  • [17:25:23] <mcz_br> i am remaking the touch board
  • [17:25:34] <mcz_br> but i wonder if it happened to anyone here
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  • [17:33:44] <sakoman> mcz_br: no, I haven't seen that on my touchscreen systems
  • [17:33:57] <ds2> morning
  • [17:34:09] <mru> morning ds2
  • [17:34:26] <mcz_br> sakoman: it is very strange
  • [17:34:36] <ds2> I've had 3-4 days of run time on a tsc2046 setup.... SGX blows up in that time frame
  • [17:34:44] <sakoman> koen: as we expected, even though they build the clutter gnome-games die a horrid death when you try to run them
  • [17:35:17] <sakoman> I'll disable the clutter games in the 2.28.0 recipe & push later today
  • [17:35:23] <mcz_br> maybe is just my touchboard
  • [17:35:39] <mcz_br> the error may disappear with new components
  • [17:36:51] <sakoman> mcz_br: perhaps. it is really hard for others to help debug when they don't have the hardware. especially on intermittent issues
  • [17:37:05] <mcz_br> sakoman: no doubts
  • [17:37:22] <mcz_br> but #beagle always helps a lot :)
  • [17:37:45] <mcz_br> it is nice to chat with other people who utilizes the hardware too
  • [17:37:57] <mcz_br> i am very close to make it work
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  • [17:48:43] <_av500_> jkridner: you still there?
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  • [17:51:29] <ds2> 9
  • [17:52:14] * sakoman agrees, 9
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  • [18:05:32] <bisco> I would like build clutter
  • [18:05:39] <bisco> but I have this error:
  • [18:05:42] <bisco> NOTE: Cache is clean, not saving. ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'clutter-glx'
  • [18:06:55] <koen> tried 'bitbake clutter' ?
  • [18:07:04] <koen> there's no glx support for omap3
  • [18:07:27] <koen> well, unless you pay $$$$$ to IMGtec and want to wait a few months
  • [18:07:28] <bisco> ok, but the problem is the same
  • [18:07:35] <bisco> :-)
  • [18:08:15] <bisco> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'clutter'
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  • [18:11:37] <bisco> I'm confusing sgl with sgx :-)
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  • [18:18:17] <bisco> I have to pay IMGtec for glx and clutter ;-)
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  • [18:26:04] <bisco> Is a problem only of mine?
  • [18:26:37] <bisco> or is there a problem with clutter bitbake?
  • [18:28:56] <geblo> woop woop. I just got my Beagleboard. Would an hdmi to vga cable work for it?
  • [18:29:12] <mru> no
  • [18:29:18] <mru> there is no such thing
  • [18:29:45] <mru> hdmi is digital, vga is analogue
  • [18:29:54] <mru> you'd need an expensive converter
  • [18:30:04] <mru> a dvi monitor is cheaper
  • [18:30:16] <geblo> ah.
  • [18:31:11] <geblo> hmm. is there a linux img or iso that automatically outputs to the s-video then?
  • [18:31:20] <mru> don't know
  • [18:31:36] <mru> but s-video is ugly
  • [18:31:53] <djlewis_> dbl ugly :)
  • [18:32:04] <mru> don't you have a dvi monitor?
  • [18:32:12] <geblo> yeah. i know. I just wanted to play with it and see how running movies on s-video looked on the beagleboard
  • [18:32:39] <mru> it'll look just as crap as anything else using svideo
  • [18:32:41] <geblo> probably not very nice, but I just gotta see for myself.
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  • [18:32:49] <djlewis_> motion video may look better than still ?
  • [18:32:53] <_av500_> mru: shush
  • [18:33:02] <_av500_> djlewis_: gm
  • [18:33:10] <djlewis_> gm _av500_ , its lunch time...
  • [18:33:26] <mru> video probably looks better than a typical computer screen, sure
  • [18:33:39] <mru> sharp edges look extra bad
  • [18:33:49] <_av500_> teletext looks ok
  • [18:34:07] <mru> only because it has huge letters
  • [18:34:14] <_av500_> sure :)
  • [18:34:39] <mru> and you don't normally display teletext over svideo
  • [18:34:42] <_av500_> geblo: if you plan to do x11 desktop stuff, dont start on svideo
  • [18:35:18] <mru> teletext is usually rendered directly by the tv
  • [18:35:25] <_av500_> jaja
  • [18:35:44] <_av500_> actually, my dvbt box does it ... over svideo
  • [18:35:57] <ds2> the X grey cross hatch is "interesting" on S-video ;)
  • [18:35:57] <mru> teletext on dvb?
  • [18:36:02] <_av500_> yep
  • [18:36:19] <mru> ds2: change it to red/blue for extra fun
  • [18:36:53] <_av500_> and add 100% white
  • [18:37:19] <ds2> mru: grey seems to be tolerable
  • [18:37:31] <ds2> reminds me of the atari 8-bit's mode 8
  • [18:37:42] <mru> svideo has ~2x more bandwidth for luma than for chroma
  • [18:38:07] <ds2> well, I am converting it to composite so....
  • [18:38:11] <_av500_> at least on separate lines
  • [18:38:15] <mru> even bigger difference
  • [18:38:17] <geblo> av500: i think i just convinced myself to buy a new monitor with dvi. i do want to see a 320x240 display with a virtual desktop size of something ridiculous though. i'm not sure why.
  • [18:38:44] <mru> done that, wasn't much fun
  • [18:38:49] <geblo> heh
  • [18:39:06] <geblo> i'm betting it is retarded. i want to do it anyways.
  • [18:40:00] <geblo> there are hdmi to VGA HD15 cables. this would not work on a standard vga monitor?
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  • [18:40:26] <mru> link?
  • [18:40:41] <geblo> http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-VGA-HD15-Male-Cable/dp/B001OLCHJ6
  • [18:41:25] <mru> "NOTE: this cable don't support signal from VCR, COMPUTER or LAPTOP output."
  • [18:41:32] * mru wonders what it *does* support
  • [18:42:17] <mru> I would not buy that
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  • [18:42:46] <geblo> heh.
  • [18:42:51] <geblo> Nevermind.
  • [18:43:36] <mru> and it doesn't have a price...
  • [18:44:48] <QmParket_> hello all :)
  • [18:45:14] <QmParket_> i'm testing http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/new-project-gst-dsp-with-beagleboard-demo-image/
  • [18:45:19] <QmParket_> but i can't really get it to work
  • [18:45:30] <QmParket_> at first the usb mouse and keyboard aren't working?
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  • [18:56:50] <QmParket_> any suggestions?
  • [18:56:56] <QmParket_> how i can run it with the terminal
  • [18:57:05] <QmParket_> and see the output on the screen
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  • [18:59:52] <QmParket_> \;
  • [19:00:27] <DJWillis> QmParket_: what are you getting on serial?
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  • [19:01:29] <QmParket_> well i've got access
  • [19:01:39] <QmParket_> but i want to see the video output on my screen
  • [19:01:51] <QmParket_> and on my screen i've got just a loginscreen :]
  • [19:02:16] <QmParket_> in the serial i'm logged in and trying to run a video with the gstreamer :]
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  • [19:17:21] <djlewis_> try logging on main console and run app?
  • [19:19:25] <QmParket_> cant log on main console :|
  • [19:19:32] <QmParket_> usb mouse/ keyboard not working
  • [19:19:34] <QmParket_> thats the problem
  • [19:19:45] <QmParket_> on angstrom they works perfectly :P
  • [19:19:54] <QmParket_> but.. on this they dont :\
  • [19:19:57] <DJWillis> QmParket_: USB host or OTG in host mode?
  • [19:20:06] <QmParket_> no idea
  • [19:20:09] <QmParket_> how to check?
  • [19:20:17] <QmParket_> i've got a host cable
  • [19:20:23] <QmParket_> from the beagle to the hub :]
  • [19:20:25] <DJWillis> What have you plugged it into?
  • [19:20:34] <QmParket_> into self powered hub
  • [19:20:36] <DJWillis> What revision is your Beagle? B or C
  • [19:20:43] <QmParket_> B ;(
  • [19:21:59] <DJWillis> Okies, you may have to tweak something to pop the OTG usb into host mode as it should like it's not in host but in device mode.
  • [19:22:44] <QmParket_> i'm on the same mind
  • [19:22:48] <QmParket_> there was a command
  • [19:22:58] <QmParket_> to put the otg in host mode from the linux
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  • [19:29:45] <ds2> DJWillis: how goes the OTG port onn your boards?
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  • [19:32:01] <DJWillis> ds2: it's not used for OTG in host much on my Pandora's (used EHCI for most things). Seems to work well when I use it. On my main Beagle it's been a pain but I think thats the board at fault not the design.
  • [19:32:19] <jimmy_> hello, im trying to do the angstrom tutorial, but i cant download the MLO, uboot and ulimage files. they just open up in a window and show garbage
  • [19:32:36] <djlewis_> I hate that!
  • [19:34:29] <DJWillis> jimmy_: right click on link and save target as ;-)
  • [19:36:09] <jimmy_> im sure that option wasnt there last time i checked... :D cheers!
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  • [19:37:11] <djlewis_> no, it is not.
  • [19:37:15] <ds2> DJWillis: hmmm and EHCI works solidly?
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  • [19:39:12] <DJWillis> ds2: well it took a lot of tweaks. It's as solid as the other OMAP3 boards but the final boards have further tweaks to match TI's latest suggested setup (as I understand it) and I am told are quite solid in testing.
  • [19:40:53] <ds2> DJWillis: are you guys using the same port as the Overo/Beagle RevCs?
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  • [19:41:32] <DJWillis> ds2: same PHY yep, slightly different setup.
  • [19:42:07] <ds2> DJWillis: not the phy, the port/set of balls on the OMAP3 itself
  • [19:42:37] <mru> ~curse autoconf
  • [19:42:39] <LamaTlama> hi, I dont know if I am right here, but I want to ask, if in the future will be beagleboard built on Omap4 platform and if Yes when? (sorry for my English, I am not native speeker) thx
  • [19:43:12] <mru> there will probably be a low-cost omap4 board, yes
  • [19:43:28] <DJWillis> ds2: got you, yes, well the revC Beagle used the same setup we had on the Pandora at the time, it has since been tweaked on the Pandora but I am not the board guy.
  • [19:43:57] <mru> LamaTlama: chips are not yet available so it will be a while
  • [19:44:11] <mru> I dare not speculate though
  • [19:44:31] <ds2> DJWillis: interesting... I don't think anyone has gotten the other port to work
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  • [19:44:54] <DJWillis> ds2: no, that's my understanding also.
  • [19:45:17] <DJWillis> ds2: remember that the revA Beagles tried to use the other port.
  • [19:45:30] <ds2> mru: any comments about the A9's in ability to do multi issue of NEON instructions whereas the A8 can?
  • [19:45:41] <ds2> DJWillis: yep. even the RevB's used it
  • [19:45:50] <mru> I think arm made a mistake there
  • [19:46:18] <mru> they sacrificed neon performance to make room for the full vfpv3, multi-core etc
  • [19:46:21] <ds2> a performance expensive one?
  • [19:46:27] <DJWillis> ds2: do you have some boards in the works
  • [19:46:41] <mru> some of my neon code really benefits from dual-issue
  • [19:46:59] <ds2> DJWillis: me personally, no. some folks I am working with, maybe if they don't go bankrupt first ;)
  • [19:47:18] <DJWillis> ds2: sounds familiar ;)
  • [19:47:29] <ds2> so what that means is there needs to be tuning for each core?
  • [19:47:50] <ds2> DJWillis: problem is I am further down the food chain so it is iffier for me
  • [19:48:09] <ds2> for TI, as long as they paid for the chips in their protos, they got their share of $$
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  • [19:50:10] <jimmy_> i cant write to the Angstrom_Demo partition on the SD! it says i dont have permission to do anything. how can i fix??
  • [19:51:31] <DJWillis> jimmy_: are you untarring as root
  • [19:52:05] <jimmy_> i dont understand
  • [19:55:47] <LamaTlama> thx , for answer, I am asking because it looks very interesting, but 600MHz/256RAM is very limited but +-1GHz
  • [19:56:27] <LamaTlama> +512RAM would be OK
  • [19:58:30] <jimmy_> i did the disk format tutorial ok i think, and i copied the 3 files onto the beagle_board partition, but it wont let me copy the angstrom...bz2 file onto the angstrom_demo partition at all
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  • [20:24:50] <jimmy_> when i make the partitions on the SD card using the tutorial, my Angstrom_Demo partition says its owner is 'rrot' and it wont let me use it. Can i change it somehow?
  • [20:25:03] <jimmy_> thats 'root' sorry
  • [20:27:02] <jimmy_> it has a folder on it called 'lost and found' that i cant get rid of, and i cant copy the bz2 file to it
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  • [20:34:03] <djlewis_> jimmy_: what OS are you suing to make the SD?
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  • [20:35:25] <jimmy_> im using ubuntu
  • [20:35:58] <djlewis_> sudo cp the file
  • [20:36:23] <koen> cp'in the tar.bz2?
  • [20:36:25] <djlewis_> dpnt worry about the lost and found
  • [20:36:33] <djlewis_> don't
  • [20:36:37] <koen> do you have a bitchin' cp that untars it automagically?
  • [20:36:57] <djlewis_> ok koen you explain it your way.
  • [20:38:09] <jimmy_> explain the commands? im new to linux stuff. i have the angstrom...bz2 folder/file on the desktop, and it wont let me copy it to the partition
  • [20:38:17] <koen> next time I'll just answer the question instead of giving the fix he needs
  • [20:41:58] <jimmy_> erm do you recommend any commands? im completely new to linux and i know nothing... i have the bz2 file on desktop, but im unable to copy it to the partition as it says its owner is root
  • [20:43:37] <_av500_> jimmy_: you dont want to copy the bz2 to the sdcard
  • [20:44:54] * mru builds gcc-csl 2009q3
  • [20:45:10] <mru> only 4 patches required
  • [20:45:20] <jimmy_> so what do i do? :s
  • [20:46:40] <_av500_> jimmy_: follow the instructions
  • [20:46:51] <_av500_> if you get an error due to root
  • [20:46:55] <_av500_> use sudo
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  • [20:47:32] <_av500_> and in linux "man <command>" is your friend
  • [20:48:04] <_av500_> and knowing "nothing" about linux can be remedied too
  • [20:48:32] <mru> really? I thought some people were born with knowledge of linux
  • [20:48:49] <mru> at least that's how my colleagues act
  • [20:48:51] <_av500_> mru: 4 patches for what?
  • [20:49:00] <mru> gcc-csl
  • [20:49:03] <mru> to build it
  • [20:49:11] <mru> still haven't built anything with it
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  • [20:49:20] <jimmy_> im working on the 'nothing' bit, i just need to get angstrom working. what do i sudo?
  • [20:50:11] <_av500_> mru: so your colleagues are born linuxers?
  • [20:50:22] <mru> no, they refuse to learn
  • [20:50:42] <_av500_> ah, that kind
  • [20:50:42] <mru> as though trying were pointless, not having been born that way
  • [20:51:02] * _av500_ has seen such ppl
  • [20:51:06] <mru> they use the same approach to any problem
  • [20:51:19] <_av500_> edit the registry...
  • [20:51:21] <mru> look at it, shake heads, hand it to me
  • [20:51:28] <_av500_> :)
  • [20:51:43] <mru> but they're in for a change, bwahahaha
  • [20:51:59] <_av500_> over here they also like to look for a newer version of whatever does not work
  • [20:52:29] <mru> well, when their job is write said newer version...
  • [20:52:33] <mru> *is to
  • [20:53:32] <djlewis_> microslof product has always meant job security ;)
  • [20:53:40] <djlewis_> for the IT guy.
  • [20:54:15] <_av500_> djlewis_: some ppl that could only edit win.ini were in for a change with 95...
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  • [20:56:13] <_av500_> oops: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=300
  • [20:58:29] * _av500_ calls IT dept to stop buyin' E10s...
  • [21:00:22] <suihkulokki> that's stupid
  • [21:01:21] <suihkulokki> "oh hai I was buying a expensive sparc server but I ended up at sparkfun buying cheap electronics"
  • [21:01:42] <_av500_> that where you will find sparc soon anyway
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  • [21:03:08] <sakoman> has anyone else noticed that OSS emulation on the 2.6.31 kernel doesn't work quite right?
  • [21:03:23] <sakoman> I get very s-l-o-w playback
  • [21:03:41] <sakoman> apps that use the alsa apis work fine
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  • [21:05:55] <simon__> how do i go about soldering a connector to the expansion port ?
  • [21:06:26] <mru> apply heat and solder
  • [21:06:49] <mru> lead-based solder works best if you can get it
  • [21:07:15] <simon__> ive tryed but it just wont solder to the pads
  • [21:08:36] <_av500_> simon__: plugin the soldering iron
  • [21:09:07] <_av500_> or your solder is crap
  • [21:09:08] <mru> you're supposed to hold it by the cold end
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  • [21:09:51] <djlewis_> i can see its friday on the channel :)
  • [21:10:15] <mru> no, we're always like this
  • [21:10:19] <tomato> no secure boot rom or lpar without HS parts?(spontanious questions)
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  • [21:10:42] <simon__> just need a hotter iron then i think...
  • [21:10:54] <djlewis_> 4ooWatts oughta do it
  • [21:11:17] <djlewis_> just kidding...
  • [21:11:32] <_av500_> tomato: no
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  • [21:11:59] <djlewis_> simon__: a 30W should be plenty with a clean fine tip.
  • [21:12:09] <simon__> mines 25, been meaning to get a better one anyway
  • [21:12:29] <_av500_> simon__: i suspect the solder
  • [21:12:29] <tomato> _av500_: I thought the LPAR was there even in GP parts?
  • [21:12:30] <djlewis_> should only take a second or two of application.
  • [21:12:43] <_av500_> tomato: lpar?
  • [21:12:58] <tomato> yeah the partitioning sheme for RAM
  • [21:13:03] <janneg> sakoman: no, mplayer -ao oss works as expected with 2.6.31.4
  • [21:13:06] <tomato> whatever arm calls it
  • [21:13:09] <djlewis_> I use a silver solder mix on todays minature electronics.
  • [21:13:18] <_av500_> tomato: trustzone?
  • [21:13:25] <tomato> part of it yest
  • [21:14:23] <_av500_> tomato: maybe, but even on hs trustzone info costs $$$$
  • [21:14:33] <tomato> -.-
  • [21:14:50] <_av500_> just assume it does not exist :)
  • [21:14:56] <simon__> thanks dj ill sort something out ;D
  • [21:15:06] <sakoman> janneg: interesting! here I get ultra slow playback
  • [21:15:26] <_av500_> sakoman: up the voltage?
  • [21:15:36] <sakoman> janneg: would you mind doing a pastebin of the defconfig you are using?
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  • [21:15:54] <sakoman> _av500_: you are right! perhaps this calls for 12V
  • [21:16:45] <tomato> _av500_:The partitioning would at least be nice. I guess this is why it's $45 for the ASIC and 3530 is open market
  • [21:16:48] <janneg> sakoman: this is on my notebook using hda_intel and not on a bb
  • [21:17:15] <sakoman> ah, OK. thanks
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  • [21:17:25] <_av500_> tomato: ???
  • [21:17:49] <_av500_> tomato: minimum order for HS parts is 10k
  • [21:18:20] <bisco> sakoman: I read the chat log of today about clutter
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  • [21:18:41] <tomato> I bought one from Arrow for $45 in a single unit order through the TI site, I wanted the 3540 but it's the same as 36xx in availability
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  • [21:19:21] <_av500_> tomato: 45$ for a single chip from a distri is not unsual
  • [21:19:27] <_av500_> unusual
  • [21:19:31] <tomato> yeah
  • [21:20:04] <bisco> I would develop a 3D ui with clutter 1.0.6, is supported in oe?
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  • [21:20:13] <_av500_> bought a fine soldering iron too?
  • [21:20:14] <tomato> I got it for security research on LPAR schemes though, reversing for info is out of the question
  • [21:21:26] <tomato> me? I reflow and print
  • [21:22:24] <sakoman> bisco: AFAIK clutter 1.X doesn't yet support the SGX hardware
  • [21:22:48] <sakoman> koen knows far more about this than I do
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  • [21:23:26] <tomato> anyone tried the green hills kernel? :p this is my last question
  • [21:24:35] <tomato> I'll take that as a no, cyas
  • [21:24:36] <mru> I'd imagine it's no better than their compilers
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  • [21:24:59] * mru once spent the better part of a week tracking down a bug in a green hills compiler
  • [21:25:23] * _av500_ prefers blue lagoon
  • [21:25:34] * prpplague is not a fan of green hills
  • [21:25:52] <prpplague> koen: ping
  • [21:26:25] <_av500_> prpplague: stop pinging koen, hes supposed to study!
  • [21:26:33] <prpplague> oh
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  • [21:27:03] <ds2> hmmmmmmm
  • [21:27:04] <prpplague> he's probably drinking instead
  • [21:27:32] <ds2> mru: must be left over from the rose parade flying into the green hills ;)
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  • [21:34:14] <jimmy_> okay sudo is handy...
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  • [21:39:49] <_av500_> jimmy_: you are a linux expert now
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  • [21:41:53] <ogra> _av500_, isnt knowing visudo a requirement to be called expert ?
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  • [21:42:14] <ds2> you just need ALL: ALL
  • [21:42:31] <_av500_> ds2: not if you login as root :)
  • [21:42:31] <ds2> makes everyone feel more secure then having a proper root password
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  • [21:42:43] <mru> ogra: isn't it adding yourself to sudoers?
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  • [21:42:50] <ds2> _av500_: sudo can be disabled for root ;)
  • [21:43:06] <mru> sudo is useful for allowing restricted root access
  • [21:43:25] <mru> e.g. I allow myself to run any opcontrol command
  • [21:43:28] <ds2> only if the person allowing has a clue
  • [21:43:50] <ogra> mru, pfft, i dont have to know about that, the ubuntu installer does it for me :P
  • [21:44:14] <_av500_> it makes you ruut?
  • [21:44:22] <mru> ogra: adding yourself without having the root password of course
  • [21:44:31] <mru> or that of anyone already in the file
  • [21:44:35] <ds2> the ubuntu sudo thing is completely stupid
  • [21:44:57] <mru> ubuntu is a feel-good distro, what did you expect?
  • [21:45:01] <ogra> ahh, yeah, indeed that surely makes you and expert (on googling for docs at least :) )
  • [21:45:01] <ds2> so now you have one password to completely compromise the system
  • [21:45:54] <ogra> not really
  • [21:46:15] <ogra> to compromise the system you now need a username *and* a password
  • [21:46:29] <ogra> with a rootpw you only need the password
  • [21:46:31] <mru> usernames are usually easy to find
  • [21:46:36] <ogra> indeed
  • [21:46:38] <_av500_> root and 1234
  • [21:46:43] <ogra> but it's one additional step
  • [21:46:50] <mru> and only a fool would allow remote root logins
  • [21:47:22] <mru> finding a username usually takes no more than one look at the email headers from the victim
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  • [21:47:26] <ds2> these are the same imbiciles who favor using autoconf
  • [21:47:27] <mru> or something similar
  • [21:47:29] <ds2> so what do you expect
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  • [21:47:55] <ogra> who favours using autoconf ?
  • [21:49:03] <ds2> at best autoconf is a technique to slow down the 10% of people who does something useful so the remaining 90% can go pester that 10% more to make sure there is no useful progress
  • [21:49:38] * ogra doesnt get what ds2 is ranting about ... apart from stating the obvious
  • [21:50:07] <mru> ds2: may I quote that?
  • [21:50:31] <ds2> mru: no... that 90% tend to carry torches and pitchforks ;)
  • [21:51:09] <mru> has that ever made me shut up?
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  • [21:54:10] <ds2> :D
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  • [21:54:59] <_av500_> mru: what are torches against a shotgun anyway...
  • [21:55:40] <_av500_> 21:49 < ds2 > at best autoconf is a technique to slow down the 10% of people who does something useful so the remaining 90% can go pester that 10% more to make sure there is no useful progress
  • [21:55:49] <_av500_> oops
  • [21:56:37] <_av500_> pastried wrongly
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  • [22:00:24] <jose> so i just got the angstrom demo working on the bb, and it says 'beagleboard login' on the hyperterminal prompt, what do i do? is there a username and password im suposed to know?
  • [22:01:07] <QmParket_> do you have it connected to a screen + usb mouse keyboard?
  • [22:01:24] <jose> nope, just the serial connection to pc
  • [22:01:36] <QmParket_> well i think root had no password :]
  • [22:01:47] <mru> if you are worthy you will know the user/passwd
  • [22:01:52] <jose> username root?
  • [22:01:56] <QmParket_> yes :)
  • [22:02:27] <jose> okay cool, im at root@beagleboard# prompt
  • [22:02:28] <mru> just type, do not think... if you are ready it will come to you
  • [22:02:48] <jose> so now what?
  • [22:03:12] <QmParket_> :D
  • [22:03:25] <djlewis_> mru: rofl...
  • [22:04:14] <jose> so do i need to do that everytime? cos i need to use the board without any pc attachd
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  • [22:05:18] <_av500_> get a very small pc then
  • [22:05:32] <mru> perhaps a beagle
  • [22:05:39] <QmParket_> haha (rofl)
  • [22:06:23] <djlewis_> jose, as it comes to you then it too will take over and do it s tself ;)
  • [22:06:50] <djlewis_> jose: truse in the beagle force.......
  • [22:06:53] <djlewis_> trust
  • [22:07:13] <jose> is it possible for me to write a program, in C, that i can put onto the SD card, so when the board is switched on, my program runs automatically?
  • [22:07:38] <QmParket_> think so :)
  • [22:07:43] <djlewis_> yup.
  • [22:08:01] <jose> brilliant! i have a project then
  • [22:08:45] <jose> say i hyperthetically had the amazin program written, where would i put it? and how would i make the bb run it on boot?
  • [22:09:11] <_av500_> jose: ppl wrote that already and called it linux
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  • [22:09:22] <mru> let's stay out of hyperspace for now
  • [22:10:01] <djlewis_> better than entertainment television :)
  • [22:11:09] <jose> i just wanna write a program that makes the expansion port pins do stuff, that runs on startup. thats the real project
  • [22:11:17] <djlewis_> jose, google can be your best friend :)
  • [22:11:34] <QmParket_> djlewis_ .. google IS his best friend :d
  • [22:11:45] <djlewis_> hehee.
  • [22:11:57] * mru tests gcc-csl 2009q3
  • [22:12:16] * ogra imagines dancing expansion port pins on boot
  • [22:12:25] <jose> lol yeah im gonna make the next thing to this http://mechomaniac.com/robots
  • [22:12:27] <djlewis_> hmmm.... and what foul language will we hear from mru next?
  • [22:12:43] <ds2> mru: looking for the "HCF" instruction in that crt0?
  • [22:13:09] <mru> halt and catch fire?
  • [22:14:11] * mru also needs to test the latest armcc release
  • [22:14:15] <djlewis_> jose: yep that is a cool project: http://robotics.djlewis.us/tracksbot/index.htm , has a BB with webcams in its future.
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  • [22:15:26] <jose> djlewis: that is pretty cool.
  • [22:15:33] <djlewis_> tnx :)
  • [22:15:38] <mru> I think it's time for another compiler shootout
  • [22:15:45] <mru> if they pass initial tests
  • [22:16:02] <jose> so about this 'running my program on startup' query?
  • [22:16:48] <djlewis_> see #linux
  • [22:16:56] <djlewis_> or google
  • [22:17:01] <_av500_> jose: is that the number one problem to making your robot
  • [22:17:37] <_av500_> ?
  • [22:17:41] <_av500_> i
  • [22:17:42] <jose> its one of the number one problems
  • [22:18:12] <_av500_> id say, leave it out for now, its safer too if that thing decides to get rid of you
  • [22:18:56] <djlewis_> yeah man, dont give it full autonomy right off, make friends with it first.
  • [22:19:03] <_av500_> djlewis_: thats the spirit
  • [22:19:26] <jose> yeah well i dont have a code yet! thats the other number one problem :s
  • [22:19:39] <_av500_> jose: i gather you have the simple stuff like drive control, vision etc all done
  • [22:20:01] <jose> ha no. iv only just started
  • [22:20:10] <_av500_> so dont worry about autostart
  • [22:20:21] <jose> ill need to at some point
  • [22:20:22] <djlewis_> vision, simple, arghh! I hate guru's
  • [22:20:48] <_av500_> jose: by the time you really need it, it will be simple
  • [22:20:55] <djlewis_> hehee.. :)
  • [22:21:21] <djlewis_> jose: listen to that wise OLD fart.
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  • [22:21:31] <_av500_> djlewis_: simple compared to autostart...
  • [22:21:31] <jose> and id rather be able to write programs that i can run on the bb, make the expansion port data buses dance
  • [22:21:36] <QmParket_> hahaha :D
  • [22:21:38] <ds2> mru: yep
  • [22:21:43] <jose> im listning thats why im here!
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  • [22:22:27] <joeR> sakoman you here?
  • [22:22:44] <sakoman> joeR: yes
  • [22:22:45] <ds2> btw, would there be any interest in an 8" LCD panel with touch screen for the Beagle?
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  • [22:22:53] <joeR> what is the username pasword to get into the gnome demo
  • [22:22:53] <ds2> the panel won't be cheap though
  • [22:23:30] <djlewis_> ds2: will it be fast and good?
  • [22:23:34] <_av500_> ds2: how much not cheap?
  • [22:23:45] <ds2> _av500_: probally $200 range :(
  • [22:24:00] <ds2> djlewis: should be a TFT panel
  • [22:24:13] <_av500_> ds2: 10k price should be far less :)
  • [22:24:15] <joeR> sakoman: what is the username passwd for the gnome demo
  • [22:24:16] <ds2> won't be as fast as say a DMD
  • [22:24:40] <sakoman> root root (it is in the docs!)
  • [22:24:42] <ds2> _av500_: would you be interested investing in a 10K inventory? You get the inventory as collatoral ;)
  • [22:24:48] <djlewis_> its a joke ;) pick any two and it can't be the other, good, fast, cheap.
  • [22:25:06] <_av500_> ds2: im literally sitting on that :)
  • [22:25:29] <djlewis_> joeR: root, root
  • [22:25:42] <_av500_> ds2: no really for 200 you could have that usb 7" with ts, no?
  • [22:25:47] <djlewis_> oh, stepped on sakoman , sorry.
  • [22:25:48] <sakoman> joeR: which version are you trying?
  • [22:26:11] <sakoman> djlewis_: no problem! help folks by all means!
  • [22:26:13] <joeR> sakoman: http://beagleintern.blogspot.com/2009/10/gnome-demo.html
  • [22:26:14] <ds2> _av500_: you could... along with a free helping of MUSB and EHCI issues ;)
  • [22:26:27] <_av500_> i have wondercaps now!
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  • [22:26:51] <sakoman> joeR: don't follow the part of the directions that have you mucking aroung with boot args
  • [22:27:04] <sakoman> just follow the instructions on my site!
  • [22:27:22] <sakoman> I hate when folks improvise and tell you to do the wrong thing :-)
  • [22:27:26] <djlewis_> yep, htat other site abbreaviated it.
  • [22:27:41] <sakoman> well abreviated and then add some bad advice!
  • [22:28:10] <djlewis_> yep, see that too.
  • [22:28:43] <joeR> sakoman: It is all booted, looks good!!
  • [22:29:18] <djlewis_> Of Course it does...
  • [22:29:49] <sakoman> joeR if you want to try a preview of the beta10: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/gnome/
  • [22:29:53] <ds2> 100K?!? really? the numbers I been getting are 1M units then they will consider making some
  • [22:29:55] <ds2> bah
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  • [22:30:30] <sakoman> joeR: I'll post a new version there each night till I get it right :-)
  • [22:33:26] <joeR> sakoman: I'll try tonight
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  • [22:34:26] <sakoman> joeR: bug reports welcome
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  • [22:38:30] <djlewis_> sakoman: is tempting djlewis again
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  • [22:38:50] <joeR_on_BB> sokoman: current version working:) Live from the BB
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  • [22:39:24] <sakoman> djlewis_: what packages do you normally add for native development (above the basic sdk task)?
  • [22:39:53] <djlewis_> joeR_on_BB: sakoman's systems are the quickest and simplest to get going.
  • [22:40:13] <djlewis_> task-native-sdk and some others stuff.
  • [22:40:16] <ds2> sakoman: up until you mentioned sdk task... I thought you too a hard right turn and was talking about chip packages ;)
  • [22:40:30] <sakoman> :-)
  • [22:40:48] <djlewis_> I have some old audio amp modules with SDK-xxxx part names
  • [22:40:57] <sakoman> djlewis_: heh, it was the other stuff that I was interested in :-)
  • [22:41:05] <djlewis_> or was that STK.... hmmm I slept since the 70's...
  • [22:41:20] <sakoman> I'm thinking of doing a gnome-dev image and want to make sure it has the editor you like
  • [22:41:21] <djlewis_> sakoman: it is in my notebook at home.
  • [22:41:29] <djlewis_> geany
  • [22:41:35] <sakoman> ah, OK
  • [22:42:36] <djlewis_> it integrates nicely with g++, python, c, easy to use to compile or build and execute all from it.
  • [22:42:53] <djlewis_> no debooger though
  • [22:43:08] <joeR_on_BB> sokoman: is it ok to use opkg to install?
  • [22:43:50] <sakoman> joeR_on_BB: yes, just do an opkg update first
  • [22:45:06] <joeR_on_BB> sakoman: Thanks, were do you want bugs reported if I find any?
  • [22:45:24] <djlewis_> sakoman: i know the demo packages break on opkg upgrade, does yours?
  • [22:45:31] <sakoman> bugs@sakoman.com
  • [22:45:46] <sakoman> djlewis_: never use opkg upgrade :-)
  • [22:45:52] <djlewis_> hmmm...
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  • [22:46:38] <djlewis_> joeR_on_BB: point being that you have to rebuild the SD card ext3 after an upggrade on the others... sakomans is untested.
  • [22:46:53] <sakoman> djlewis_: some day I'll get around to making sure that works, but it isn't at the top of the list
  • [22:47:00] <djlewis_> yep...
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  • [22:47:07] <djlewis_> why fix what aint broken :)
  • [22:47:17] <_av500_> djlewis_: hold the fort, i need sleep :)
  • [22:47:26] <sakoman> gn _av500_
  • [22:47:38] <djlewis_> I'll try _av500_ ....
  • [22:47:40] <djlewis_> gn
  • [22:47:41] <sakoman> we old folks need an early bed time :-)
  • [22:47:48] <_av500_> sakoman: yep
  • [22:47:59] <joeR_on_BB> I thought all the images "break" when you do a opkg upgrade :)
  • [22:48:12] <sakoman> I just assume they do
  • [22:48:25] <djlewis_> I often prove they do..
  • [22:49:00] <djlewis_> I have tested the beagleboard/demo and Angstrom and both break the fs.
  • [22:49:07] <sakoman> we're still changing things so fast that it is no surprise that opkg can't keep up with all the changed deps, packaging, etc
  • [22:49:09] <joeR_on_BB> I made that mistake with my beagleboard demo card i got from ESC boston
  • [22:49:37] <djlewis_> joeR_on_BB: so we may have talked before ....
  • [22:50:10] <joeR_on_BB> djlewis: at ESC?
  • [22:50:11] * _av500_ goes to sleep pondering the image vs distro duality
  • [22:51:21] <djlewis_> sakoman: getting a dev together can be complex.. would you leave the libraries/dev to the user? ffmpeg, gstreamer, v4lx, python, pkgconfig, on and on.
  • [22:51:58] <djlewis_> joeR_on_BB: i dont venture fra fro my mountain these days :)
  • [22:52:05] <djlewis_> fra = far
  • [22:52:20] <sakoman> djlewis_: yeah, I just wanted to get the basics there -- i.e. to do hello world
  • [22:52:44] <djlewis_> cool. the other would be mind boggling to anticipate the worlds needs. :)
  • [22:52:55] <sakoman> _av500_: it is like poor Shroedinger's cat!
  • [22:53:15] * sakoman probably butchered the spelling
  • [22:53:29] <djlewis_> looks good to me ;(
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  • [23:02:39] <joeR> sakoman: does the ethernet over OTG usb work?
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  • [23:03:29] <sakoman> joeR: no, the provided kernel has musb configured as host only
  • [23:04:24] <sakoman> didn't want to lock out the rev B beagle folks
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  • [23:05:14] <ds2> sakoman: you can always volunteer to fix OTG ;)
  • [23:05:24] <joeR> sakoman: is there a way to get it to work?
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  • [23:05:55] <sakoman> yes, but I'm not sure exactly how much work it would be :-)
  • [23:06:08] <sakoman> first step would be to rebuild the kernel in OTG mode
  • [23:06:12] <ds2> get it done an write a paper documenting it ;)
  • [23:06:17] <ds2> and
  • [23:06:55] <sakoman> second step would be to edit the defaults file for usb-gadget in /etc to select which gadgets you want to enable
  • [23:07:14] <sakoman> third step would be to test and fix what is broken :-)
  • [23:07:47] <joeR> sakoman: :) I havn't had much luck in building kernels. so I'm DOA at step one :)
  • [23:08:03] <sakoman> buying a cheap usb network dongle would likely be much less trouble :-)
  • [23:08:15] <sakoman> and a much more satisfactory experience
  • [23:09:06] <joeR> sakoman: yes, that is what I'm using, but my IT guys will put my port in lockdown
  • [23:09:28] <sakoman> damn IT people
  • [23:09:35] <ds2> sakoman: I can volunteer to do 1 and 2... you just need to do #3 ;)
  • [23:09:52] <joeR> since I don't think there complience software runs on arms :)
  • [23:09:58] <sakoman> ds2: heh, #1 and #2 are the trivial parts :-)
  • [23:10:11] <ds2> Surely, how hard is a little testing and fixing ;)
  • [23:10:25] <sakoman> I built a test kernel and enabled serial gadget
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  • [23:10:42] <sakoman> I was able to log in over USB from my Linux box
  • [23:10:51] <sakoman> so I know that the basics work
  • [23:10:57] <ds2> Gadget mode by itself works fine
  • [23:11:05] <sakoman> I just hate the whole ethernet over USB experience
  • [23:11:06] <ds2> host and OTG is the interesting parts
  • [23:11:45] <sakoman> yeah, automatic OTG switching doesn't seem to quite work
  • [23:11:54] <joeR> I was able to do USB ethernet with the angstrom-devs, is this build ontop of OE?
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  • [23:13:26] <sakoman> yes it is. so that is why I said it would likely work
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  • [23:15:52] <joeR> is there a bitbake recipe?
  • [23:16:18] <joeR> I would try step 1 ;)
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  • [23:20:28] <joeR> sakoman: I will try the r10a5 build tonight. thanks for all your help
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  • [23:20:45] <joeR> time to head home
  • [23:21:05] <sakoman> joeR: no you would need to modify the existing one
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  • [23:21:37] <sakoman> some day I'll get around to doing that, but I must admit it isn't at the top of the list!
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  • [23:21:59] <sakoman> to be honest I don't want to deal with all the support issues it would trigger :-)
  • [23:23:49] <djlewis_> bbl
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  • [23:35:16] <djlewis_> i'm outta here this time for sure :) later...
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