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[00:02:43] <airman00> what text editors do you guys use on angstrom
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[00:14:11] <bkero> vim
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[00:33:54] <airman00> to install GCC, all i have to do is opkg install gcc
[00:33:58] <airman00> right?
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[00:42:29] <airman00> I get error: C compiler cannot make executables. How do I fix that/
[00:45:48] <ds2> use "task-native"
[00:59:47] <airman00> task-native not found
[01:00:14] <thahemp> are you compiling on the beagleboard?
[01:00:20] <thahemp> or on the host machine?
[01:01:03] <airman00> compiling on beagleboard
[01:01:18] <thahemp> opkg install gcc gcc-symlinks cpp cpp-symlinks binutils make
[01:01:23] <thahemp> that'll get you up and running
[01:01:33] <thahemp> and opkg install vim vim-syntax
[01:02:11] <thahemp> then copy the example vimrc from /usr/share/vim/vim-something to /home/root/.vimrc
[01:02:21] <thahemp> you'll have syntax highlighting and whatnot
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[01:03:33] <thahemp> as long as you launch vim with "vim" and not "vi"
[01:03:58] <djlewis> airman00: to see if the name is changed you can wildcard a list with opkg >opkg list *nano*
[01:04:29] <thahemp> indeed
[01:04:42] <thahemp> but you want vim for code writing.... i would assume
[01:04:49] <djlewis> airman00: you are using Angstrom from Narcissus or Beagle dEMO?
[01:04:58] <djlewis> OOH CAPS LOCK ..
[01:05:02] <thahemp> haha
[01:05:08] <djlewis> better. :)
[01:05:35] <thahemp> i think he's straightened out
[01:05:57] <djlewis> For my artistic brain I have to have huge cheat sheets to use the likes of vi or vim type editors.
[01:06:05] <thahemp> yeah
[01:06:21] <thahemp> but in a console system.. you are forced to learn it at some point
[01:06:34] <djlewis> not with nano around :)
[01:06:45] <thahemp> but nano doesn't sytax highlight does it?
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[01:06:53] <thahemp> i use nano for everything else
[01:06:57] <superdug> vim is the only editor
[01:07:05] <superdug> done &
[01:07:06] <djlewis> no it is a simple editor that is simple to use.
[01:07:10] <airman00> thahemp: how did you know to do opkg install gcc . Is there some resource you looked up? or just offhand data
[01:07:20] <superdug> djlewis: it's actually very complex
[01:07:31] <thahemp> O.o
[01:07:41] <thahemp> just experience with linux packages....
[01:07:48] <superdug> you can edit multiple files ... split the screen ... etc
[01:07:48] <djlewis> why is everyone cop'ing an attitude about nano ;)
[01:07:49] <thahemp> that's how it is on a real lin box
[01:07:52] <airman00> I mean I also did opkg install gcc , but all those exatras afterwards
[01:07:54] <thahemp> haha
[01:07:54] <superdug> thahemp: what distro
[01:08:05] <thahemp> superdug: all
[01:08:11] <superdug> djlewis: one compound word linewrap
[01:08:29] <thahemp> djlewis: i really do use nano for everything *but* code writing
[01:08:35] <superdug> thahemp: well most every distro is different for how it handles prepackaged binares
[01:08:37] <ds2> is it task-native or task-native-sdk?
[01:09:01] <thahemp> superdug: true, but i have grown familiar with all of them
[01:09:07] <thahemp> i'm not really sure what you're getting at
[01:09:09] <djlewis> i do find the linewrap issue sometimes. Have to manually delete the spaces or tabs that break it.
[01:09:24] <thahemp> just a nano quirk that you learn to live with
[01:09:29] <superdug> ohhh airman00 is asking
[01:09:29] <djlewis> ds2: the latter
[01:09:35] <superdug> nevermind sorry thahemp
[01:09:40] <thahemp> haha...all good
[01:09:44] <thahemp> just confused for a moment
[01:10:01] <ds2> oops
[01:10:03] <thahemp> airman00: those are just the packages required to compile stuff
[01:10:09] <thahemp> always
[01:10:23] <thahemp> some distros are nice and provide build-essentials
[01:10:23] <thahemp> some aren't
[01:10:54] <thahemp> and apparently angstrom provides task-native-sdk
[01:10:57] <thahemp> :)
[01:11:06] <thahemp> didn't know that
[01:11:09] <djlewis> really only takes three packages to do c, c++ on BB in Angstrom
[01:11:18] <thahemp> gcc cpp binutils
[01:11:24] <thahemp> but the symlinks break make
[01:11:30] <thahemp> or the lack thereof
[01:11:36] <thahemp> so they are a convenience
[01:12:56] <djlewis> taks-native-sdk , cpp, gccmakedep always gets me started.
[01:13:10] <djlewis> task-native-sdk that is
[01:13:54] <thahemp> hmmm
[01:13:58] <thahemp> i wonder what you start with
[01:14:25] <thahemp> gccmakedep
[01:14:28] <thahemp> i'm not familiar with that
[01:14:38] <thahemp> oh
[01:14:42] <thahemp> a makefile tool
[01:15:02] <djlewis> Ilater I add pkgconfig
[01:15:38] <thahemp> i've never written anything so complicated to require help with package config and lib dependencies
[01:15:51] <thahemp> i suppose that shows my amatuer-ness
[01:15:52] <djlewis> i think it mught be pkg-config in opkg
[01:15:59] <thahemp> oh yeah... i'm sure it is
[01:16:04] <thahemp> it is everywhere else
[01:16:19] <thahemp> pkg-config has caused me more heartache than help
[01:16:34] <djlewis> I have mixed feelings about it.
[01:16:39] <ds2> and configure and...
[01:16:56] <thahemp> i just always find the headers and there's the rule... anything after lib* goes in the -l option
[01:17:02] <thahemp> no pkgconfig required
[01:17:08] <djlewis> hehee.
[01:17:51] <thahemp> then again.. on a large project... it's nice i'm sure to have a command-style call to add to the makefile to find your reqs
[01:18:14] <djlewis> I have spent way too much energy deciphering ./configure and its Makefile when things dont come together
[01:18:30] <thahemp> hah
[01:18:30] <thahemp> yep
[01:18:44] <thahemp> i'm sure sakoman doesn't want to hear it... but gumstix was a nightmare for me
[01:18:45] <ds2> there is no place in this universe for ./configure or pkgconfig or libtool
[01:18:51] <thahemp> haha
[01:18:59] * thahemp highfives ds2
[01:19:12] <djlewis> I was wondering when ds2 would chime in on that one ;)
[01:19:17] <thahemp> :)
[01:19:27] <thahemp> well... when you think about it
[01:19:32] <thahemp> you spend so much time writing the code
[01:19:43] <thahemp> there's no reason you can't keep a makefile or makefiles up to date while you do so
[01:19:50] <thahemp> dependency by dependency
[01:19:54] <ds2> make it configurable by editing the Makefile and it is sufficient
[01:19:56] <thahemp> it's no secret to you when you add it
[01:21:01] <thahemp> agreed.. makefiles with the benefit of bash scripting is plenty
[01:21:05] <thahemp> there's no reason to need more
[01:21:12] <djlewis> airman00: I have been lazy and using Geany in the BB GUI to dev.;
[01:21:26] <ds2> dropping autoconf gives you a much larger audience
[01:21:52] <thahemp> ick
[01:21:57] <thahemp> you've gone too far now
[01:22:10] <thahemp> not in suggesting dropping it
[01:22:12] <djlewis> I think many code writers think only of the Intel i386 world.
[01:22:13] <thahemp> but by mentioning it alone
[01:22:29] <thahemp> hehe
[01:22:46] <thahemp> ARM is making giant leaps in recent years
[01:22:52] <djlewis> yep.
[01:22:58] <thahemp> even in the 2 or 3 that i've been working with them
[01:23:10] <thahemp> years that is...
[01:23:18] <thahemp> slow fingers fast brain
[01:23:33] <djlewis> got my first ARM this spring, the BB
[01:23:38] <thahemp> nice
[01:23:40] <thahemp> good first one
[01:23:54] <thahemp> my first was the verdex from sakoman's place ;)
[01:24:06] <thahemp> it was 95% ready
[01:24:08] <thahemp> hehe
[01:24:11] <ds2> mmmmmmm verdex
[01:24:23] <thahemp> it was a great board
[01:24:33] <thahemp> just had some minor issues that took too long to hit the surface
[01:24:37] <thahemp> for a production board that is
[01:24:45] <thahemp> and actually... the mainboard was fine
[01:24:54] <thahemp> it was the daughter boards they were selling
[01:24:56] <thahemp> that were bonked
[01:25:58] <ds2> well, to be fair...the x86 folks got be smoking some good stuff
[01:26:25] <thahemp> yeah... i've got a bunch of bga core2duo's sitting in a tray on my desk at work
[01:26:30] <thahemp> they're awesome
[01:26:34] <thahemp> but they draw too much power
[01:26:43] <thahemp> you can't put them in a small space
[01:27:03] <thahemp> unless you want your phone or small device bonded to your thigh
[01:27:15] <ds2> that and their footprints are huge
[01:27:31] <thahemp> true... but to be expected for the power gained
[01:27:54] <thahemp> we've got an i.mx515 board in house too
[01:28:01] <thahemp> that's gonna be a nice processor
[01:28:03] <ds2> oh right, you said Core2Duo
[01:28:16] <thahemp> they're "low power" hahahahaha
[01:28:20] <ds2> I was thinking of atom (was at a talk yesterday and the stuff they were presenting is gastly)
[01:28:25] <thahemp> like 10W at LEAST
[01:28:37] <thahemp> well.. even atom doesn't come close
[01:28:46] <thahemp> although i hear they're trying
[01:28:50] <thahemp> they have some deal with mercedes
[01:29:08] <thahemp> i bet they can pull car computers off
[01:29:16] <thahemp> but nothing else
[01:29:32] <thahemp> 3W is too much
[01:30:03] <ds2> but the need for all those chips
[01:30:17] <ds2> and to top if off you need to support PCIe to really talk to it.... ick
[01:30:33] <thahemp> jeez... pci is my demon right now
[01:30:53] <thahemp> we're trying to do a firewire network and all the TI chips are PCI bus
[01:30:58] <ds2> yikes
[01:30:59] <thahemp> but no mobile processors have the bus
[01:31:01] <thahemp> heh
[01:31:04] <thahemp> yeah
[01:31:13] <thahemp> i think the DM6467 has one
[01:31:17] <ds2> isn't there something from PLX that will bridge it?
[01:31:22] <thahemp> not really
[01:31:27] <thahemp> well
[01:31:28] <thahemp> yes
[01:31:31] <thahemp> there is
[01:31:38] <thahemp> if you have a bus to bridge to
[01:31:45] <thahemp> what do you have on the OMAP?
[01:31:50] <thahemp> USB
[01:31:54] <thahemp> ethernet
[01:31:54] <ds2> you basically have ISA on the OMAP
[01:31:59] <thahemp> ISA
[01:32:01] <thahemp> yeah
[01:32:10] <thahemp> a single-cycle read/write arm bus
[01:32:22] <thahemp> which is almost useless for a ghetto rigged pci bus
[01:32:49] <thahemp> the i.MX51 is the same way
[01:32:50] <ds2> the GPMC stuff might be able to keep up with a basic 32bit 33MHz PCI
[01:33:08] <thahemp> how many GPIO are available?
[01:33:22] <ds2> hundreds on the OMAP
[01:33:28] <thahemp> that's nice
[01:33:35] <thahemp> i really wish we could use the omap
[01:33:47] <thahemp> the freescale part has none that aren't multiplexed with other peripherals
[01:34:05] <thahemp> i also like the stacked bga memory + cpu
[01:34:09] <thahemp> that's is ingenious
[01:34:13] <airman00> hey thahemp: I tried what you said and I still get C commpiler cannot create exectuables when I do ./configure
[01:34:39] <thahemp> wierd
[01:34:53] <thahemp> did you try the task-native-sdk
[01:34:57] <thahemp> package
[01:35:12] <thahemp> although... i don't know what could possibly be in there to fix your compiler
[01:35:23] <thahemp> mine creates executables all day long :)
[01:35:50] <thahemp> and i know i compiled gdal lib with the X-stable image
[01:35:56] <thahemp> with no extra packages installed
[01:36:14] <thahemp> give us more info on what you're using... it should be working
[01:36:24] <airman00> installing task native now
[01:36:39] <thahemp> are you using the x-stable or the console image?
[01:36:48] <thahemp> or something in-between
[01:38:13] <airman00> I dont know. How would I find out?
[01:38:50] <thahemp> what did you copy on to your SD card?
[01:39:02] <airman00> I purchased Angstrom Demo SD Card
[01:39:07] <thahemp> oh
[01:39:14] <thahemp> do you have a GUI interface?
[01:39:18] <thahemp> or just a console?
[01:41:18] <airman00> GUI
[01:41:31] <thahemp> i'm surprised it doesn't work
[01:41:32] <airman00> but right now I'm sshing in and using the console
[01:41:51] <thahemp> do you have an SD card reader?
[01:42:53] <airman00> yes why?
[01:43:09] <ds2> what doesn't work?
[01:43:29] <thahemp> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
[01:43:39] <thahemp> the demo image in there works just fine
[01:44:08] <airman00> I download nano
[01:44:13] <thahemp> hehe
[01:44:22] <djlewis> alright ;)
[01:44:37] <airman00> then scp it from my host to the BB, and then did ./configure from terminal in the correct directory
[01:44:44] <thahemp> O.o
[01:44:47] <djlewis> nano sucks in a serial console though.
[01:44:56] <airman00> I'm trying to install it
[01:44:56] <thahemp> isn't it in the angstrom rep?
[01:45:00] <airman00> no its not
[01:45:04] <thahemp> hmm
[01:45:22] <thahemp> that sucks
[01:45:23] <thahemp> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2009.X-stable-20090612--beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
[01:45:25] <ds2> airman00: uh...
[01:45:27] <airman00> so I'm doing another opkg update ( 3rd time in the past hour) with the hopes that it will be fixed :P
[01:45:29] <djlewis> I thought Special Computing had 2.6.28 on SD
[01:45:30] <thahemp> that is the image that i used at first
[01:45:31] <ds2> you did run "make" right?
[01:45:41] <ds2> djlewis: it is an assortment...
[01:45:44] <airman00> ./configure before make
[01:45:55] <ds2> airman00: what does the result of make say?
[01:47:05] <airman00> make: ** NO targets specificed and no makefile found, Stop. I have to do ./configure first
[01:47:29] <thahemp> why would ./configure be invoking any gcc anything???
[01:47:47] <djlewis> it only inspects and sets up make
[01:48:14] <airman00> inspects and tells me Error: C compiler cannot make executables
[01:48:19] <djlewis> 'only' might be a poor choice of word.
[01:48:56] <ds2> your configurefailed
[01:49:02] <thahemp> :)
[01:49:03] <ds2> what didconfiguresay?
[01:49:06] <thahemp> ds2 dances
[01:49:39] <ds2> airman00: is your SD card write protected?
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[01:50:01] <airman00> no
[01:50:06] <thahemp> honestly... just build the image on your SD card like a normal person
[01:50:11] <thahemp> you won't have problems
[01:50:35] <ds2> I donno... those SD images worked for a lot of people
[01:50:36] <thahemp> or... not even build.. just cp and decompress
[01:51:07] <djlewis> I often build an app using OE and thumb drive it over to BB
[01:51:07] <ds2> you did have a net connection when you did the opkg install task-native-sdk,right?
[01:51:16] <airman00> I guess that would he last option. I'll fiddle around with this later. Yes i had net connection
[01:51:21] <ds2> easier to build natively
[01:51:27] <djlewis> yep
[01:51:41] <thahemp> airman00... i rebuild my system this morning because i bricked it... 13 minutes
[01:51:42] <ds2> did opkg return any errors?
[01:51:45] <thahemp> don't fear it
[01:51:51] <thahemp> rebuilt*
[01:52:25] <thahemp> using the demo images is still techinically cheating... you just don't have to pay for it :)
[01:53:31] <ds2> the who OE thing is still questionable
[01:53:45] <thahemp> it has worked for me 100% of the time
[01:54:04] <djlewis> I find that if it is left alone and no updates it does well :)
[01:54:21] <thahemp> although... i'm only talking about downloading koen's demos and extracing them onto partition 2
[01:54:26] <djlewis> I am using the stable branch
[01:55:01] <djlewis> ds2: nice to have a ipk to opkg on BB
[01:55:17] <ds2> djlewis: I am happy with tgz's
[01:55:25] <djlewis> thems good too :)
[01:55:40] <thahemp> have you guys tried to install older ipk's with opkg lately?
[01:55:53] <djlewis> I use a bit of it all. In whatever form it comes in I try to make use of.
[01:55:58] <thahemp> like specifically... the sgx modules
[01:56:10] <djlewis> I hear they are broken
[01:56:16] <thahemp> oh they are
[01:56:18] <ds2> SGX from TI works fine
[01:56:29] <djlewis> dont qoute me. I was just skimming logs today
[01:56:29] <thahemp> yeah... the libs do
[01:56:32] <ds2> donno about the third hand stuff in OE ;)
[01:56:47] <thahemp> the libs work great
[01:56:50] <thahemp> the sgx modules package in the angstrom rep
[01:56:53] <thahemp> is not compatible
[01:57:05] <thahemp> it's like 1607 version
[01:57:08] <ds2> sigh...
[01:57:11] <thahemp> and the 1397 one works
[01:57:18] <ds2> build them yourself... KBUILD is not that hard
[01:57:18] <djlewis> there was some talk, might have been thahemp , talking about sgx apps not running?
[01:57:26] <thahemp> :)
[01:57:28] <thahemp> yep
[01:57:29] <thahemp> only
[01:57:31] <ds2> djlewis: I was just running them today
[01:57:32] <thahemp> it was midcon1
[01:57:40] <thahemp> i am midcon1 at work
[01:57:55] <ds2> i need to get my accelerometer on there and things might get interesting
[01:58:07] <djlewis> I havent gotten the SGX demos to run since a 2.6.28 or early 2.6.29
[01:58:28] <thahemp> you have to use the current libGLES stuff
[01:58:35] <thahemp> and use the 1397 sgx modules
[01:58:39] <thahemp> then it works perfect
[01:58:55] <djlewis> I live in stables so I can have some predictability.
[01:59:01] <thahemp> but you can only install the 1397 ones if you install them on a fresh system before you run opkg update for the first time
[01:59:16] <ds2> problem is OE stable isn't that stable
[01:59:17] <djlewis> You mean opkg upgrade?
[01:59:23] <djlewis> BAD IDEA!
[01:59:29] <thahemp> no... opkg update!
[01:59:35] <ds2> opkg upgrade mostly works :D
[01:59:41] <djlewis> that only updates the database locally
[01:59:44] <thahemp> once opkg realized there's a newere version you can't install the old ones
[01:59:51] <djlewis> oh
[01:59:51] <thahemp> opkg is retarded too
[01:59:52] <ds2> just apply --force or the equiv
[01:59:57] <thahemp> hmm
[02:00:08] <thahemp> that's not a documented flag
[02:00:13] <thahemp> -force-downgrade is
[02:00:14] <thahemp> and it doesn't work
[02:00:26] <djlewis> I have tested opkg upgrade several times trhough fs numbers and it always breaks.
[02:00:59] <thahemp> it worked ok for me yesterday...
[02:01:05] <thahemp> nothing exploded anyways
[02:01:12] <djlewis> using which build?
[02:01:19] <thahemp> the latest
[02:01:23] <djlewis> from?
[02:01:42] <thahemp> i used koen's image x11-stable
[02:01:46] <thahemp> and i also built x11-image
[02:01:51] <thahemp> both worked ok
[02:02:00] <djlewis> I tried it on Narcissus and Beagle Demo
[02:02:10] <thahemp> i haven't tried any narcissus yet
[02:02:36] <djlewis> I think it all really depends on what time of which day in what moon phase you do it.
[02:03:18] <djlewis> And if you are not wearing the witches slippers, just forget even trying.
[02:03:45] <thahemp> that's conforting
[02:03:51] <thahemp> comforting even
[02:04:55] <djlewis> thahemp: are you a developer?
[02:05:15] <thahemp> not for linux or bb or any open source project
[02:05:26] <thahemp> but yeah i suppose you could classify it as that
[02:05:46] <djlewis> I only do small scall things for myself thus far.
[02:05:50] <thahemp> i'm 1/2 hardware designer 1/2 coder
[02:05:51] <djlewis> scall = small
[02:06:13] <thahemp> me too
[02:06:14] <djlewis> me, about 3/4 : 1/4
[02:06:21] <thahemp> yep
[02:06:29] <ds2> You too!
[02:06:34] <thahemp> i've only had to write software for what i've designed
[02:06:41] <thahemp> so i'm not all that hardcore as a developer
[02:06:46] <djlewis> me too
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[02:07:11] <thahemp> ds2 is jealous
[02:07:13] <hallam> hi folks
[02:07:18] <thahemp> that we're making friends
[02:07:20] <djlewis> yo!
[02:07:29] <thahemp> he wants to be in our club
[02:07:48] <thahemp> or could care less and is bored and typing randomly
[02:07:56] <djlewis> ya, when he isnt slamming, slapping, splattinf or owtherwise ;)
[02:08:03] <thahemp> :)
[02:08:03] <hallam> I have a question for Crofton, Crofton|work or anyone else who has used USRP with Beagle
[02:08:23] * djlewis goes to look up USRP
[02:08:27] <Crofton> yes?
[02:08:34] <thahemp> hah
[02:08:39] <thahemp> is't radio stuff
[02:08:39] <hallam> google found me a log from a year ago: http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2008-08-05
[02:08:56] <Crofton> that was a while ago, what do you want to know
[02:09:04] <hallam> I'm getting the same 'bad file descriptor' error and wondered if you solved it :)
[02:09:11] <Crofton> hahahaha
[02:09:17] <Crofton> what version of gnu radio?
[02:09:22] <Crofton> yeah, it should be solved
[02:09:31] <hallam> I'm not actually using USRP, I'm using the GN3Sv2 sampler which was based on USRP
[02:09:33] <Crofton> there is still loads of stuff to do though
[02:09:37] <Crofton> ah
[02:09:48] <Crofton> is there a url for that?
[02:10:08] <hallam> it's not well documented, hang on a sec
[02:10:38] <Crofton> nothing is in this business :)
[02:10:57] <Crofton> hallam, what sw are you building?
[02:11:00] <djlewis> fly by the seat of our pants.
[02:11:01] <hallam> http://gn3s-nix.sourceforge.net/ here is the "homepage", the software version I'm using (which I think is newer) is in http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=91538&package_id=271229&release_id=645621
[02:11:11] <hallam> /osgps/gn3s-linux/gn3s-linux/src/host
[02:11:41] <Crofton> so basically you have code based on gnuradio libusrp?
[02:11:47] <hallam> yeah
[02:11:56] <hallam> quite an old version of it I think
[02:12:00] <Crofton> I suspect the issue is libusb-compat
[02:12:16] <hallam> significance of the -compat?
[02:12:33] <Crofton> to get gnuradio working we ended up statically linking gnuradio against a private copy of libusb-0.12
[02:12:39] <hallam> heh
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[02:13:11] <Crofton> well Angstrom uses libusb1 which uses libusb-compat to provide backward compatitiblity for libusb-0.12
[02:13:28] <hallam> ok, and that wrapper breaks the file descriptor hack?
[02:13:29] <Crofton> but gnuradio peeked inside the private interface so compat does not work
[02:13:33] <Crofton> exactly
[02:13:45] <Crofton> are you building your sw via OE?
[02:13:51] <hallam> yes
[02:14:04] <Crofton> look at the gnuradio recipe to see the hack we used
[02:14:26] <hallam> ok, will do
[02:14:27] <hallam> thank you
[02:14:29] <Crofton> also, very very recently, we added support to gnuradio to use libusb1
[02:14:35] <hallam> hm
[02:14:36] <Crofton> but we have not tested it
[02:14:57] <hallam> it'll probably be easier for me to use the hack than to transplant that support into the code I'm using
[02:15:39] <Crofton> I figured that, but wanted to make you aware it existe
[02:15:39] <Crofton> d
[02:15:45] <hallam> cheers
[02:15:51] <Crofton> good luck
[02:15:56] <Crofton> let us now how you make out
[02:16:01] <hallam> will do
[02:16:05] <ds2> Crofton: do you know if anyone has played with the Cypress PSoC stuff as a SDR front end?
[02:16:05] <Crofton> thanks
[02:16:18] <Crofton> not off the top of my head
[02:16:27] <Crofton> remind me next week and i can ask around
[02:16:55] <ds2> 'k
[02:17:04] <ds2> they seem like a nice light weight alternative to a FPGA
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[02:21:06] <thahemp> where do you get those?
[02:22:06] <thahemp> no arrow, avnet, mouser, digikey
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[02:23:38] <thahemp> seems like an fpga with space already used for ASIC peripherals
[02:29:11] <ds2> a simplified FGPA
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[02:31:21] <thahemp> weird for cypress
[02:31:35] <thahemp> maybe trying to make a comback
[02:31:37] <thahemp> comeback*
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[02:32:09] <ds2> they made programmable logic before
[02:32:11] <thahemp> i wish they still made their 8051 + firewire bridge chip
[02:33:24] <thahemp> actually it was just the llc + 8051... but even still
[02:33:32] <thahemp> a nice local bus and a TI PHY
[02:33:54] <thahemp> now it's all pci and pci-e stuff
[02:35:17] <thahemp> altera is making it easy on people these days
[02:35:31] <thahemp> oxford has some fierce competition in the pld arena
[02:35:40] <ds2> does altera have any flash fpgas?
[02:36:11] <thahemp> nope
[02:36:13] <thahemp> only actel
[02:36:42] <thahemp> but actel's tools suck terribly
[02:36:54] <thahemp> and they aren't supported very well by altium
[02:37:00] <thahemp> and other integrated design suites
[02:37:19] <thahemp> so i think they're having trouble gaining ground on altera and xilinx
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[02:40:06] <hallam> aw heck
[02:40:24] <hallam> so the gnuradio recipe has a patch called gnuradio-libusb.patch
[02:40:32] <hallam> which changes a kludge in usrp_prims.cc
[02:40:38] <Crofton> no
[02:40:39] <hallam> I made the same change in my copy of usrp_prims.cc
[02:40:49] <Crofton> are you looking at stable ot dev
[02:40:54] <hallam> but it turns out that doesn't actually get compiled in anywhere
[02:40:56] <Crofton> that patch is bad
[02:41:05] <Crofton> I should fix stable :)
[02:41:13] <hallam> I was looking at the recipe that came with my Angstrom build
[02:41:35] <hallam> how do I get to the dev copy? (sorry, a bit new to git and bitbake and so forth)
[02:41:44] <Crofton> I suspect you are building from stable
[02:42:18] <Crofton> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/gnuradio
[02:42:32] <Crofton> the instructions on the Angstrom site have you build from stable
[02:42:44] <Crofton> the instructions on the OE site have you build form .dev
[02:42:44] <hallam> ok
[02:42:58] <Crofton> I know this is not explained clearly in either place :)
[02:43:12] <Crofton> you could copy the recipes from .dev to your stable tree
[02:43:28] <hallam> http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit I was following this
[02:43:54] <hallam> relevant line being git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded which I guess is stable?
[02:43:55] <Crofton> heh, too many sets of instructions :)
[02:44:14] <hallam> oh no the actual relevant line is git checkout origin/stable/2009 -b stable/2009
[02:44:20] <hallam> that explains that
[02:44:25] <Crofton> yeah
[02:44:29] <Crofton> ok
[02:44:47] <hallam> ok well I think I'll just examine the dev recipes through that web interface you linked me to
[02:45:01] <Crofton> so, you can checkout dev and rebuild everything, ot just looks at eh gnuradion recipe via cgit
[02:45:05] <Crofton> yeah
[02:45:15] <Crofton> you do not actually build gnuradio, right?
[02:45:21] <hallam> correct
[02:45:29] <Crofton> ok, that should be enough
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[02:45:44] <Crofton> not sure how your sw finds libusb though
[02:46:12] <hallam> my sw says libusb kind of sucks
[02:46:48] <hallam> I've just been compiling with -lusb
[02:46:58] <hallam> which worked to build fx2-programmer
[02:47:11] <Crofton> well, something sets the lib path so it links against the arm version
[02:47:35] <hallam> bitbake's responsible for that, right?
[02:47:46] <Crofton> basically, yes ...
[02:48:18] <Crofton> off to another window for a bit
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[03:05:25] <djlewis> nite guys...
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[03:10:49] <hallam> Crofton, thanks for your help, I'm going to try to understand the recipe and sleep on it. I'll let you know how it went tomorrow
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[03:30:38] <_av500_> gm
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[05:18:33] <machine24> Hello everyone. I'm hoping to find a 3d cad representation I could use and import into Alibre Design. Anyone know where I could find such a thing and avoid modeling the BeagleBoard myself?
[05:20:07] <machine24> Hello?
[05:22:34] <machine24> Anyone there?
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[06:34:47] <Silvrado> hi all
[06:35:40] <Silvrado> can i connect a s-video out camera to the s-video port of BB?
[06:36:43] <Silvrado> BB manual says s-video port is video out. can the port be configured to input video? pls help..
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[06:39:54] <tomba> Silvrado: no, it can't
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[07:28:47] <ds2> sigh... so the conflict of patches begins
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[07:29:54] <av500> ds2: patchfight?
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[07:30:43] <ds2> av500: I noticed Zippy uses McSPI4 for ethernet... I am using that for the TSC... so if I drop a ethernet on to there I have to go with McSPI3
[07:31:02] <ds2> doesn't that sound fun? :)
[07:31:20] <av500> sure
[07:31:41] <Beagleroid> hi all! Is it a bug or a feature? I call export PATH=$PATH:/dir1:/dir2 i one terminal window
[07:32:03] <av500> notabug
[07:32:06] <Beagleroid> afterwards echo $PATH shows PATH=$PATH:/dir1:/dir2, it's OK
[07:32:39] <Beagleroid> but the same echo in another terminal window shows the old path...
[07:32:44] <av500> notabug
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[07:33:02] <Beagleroid> should can I "save" it?
[07:33:05] <av500> its a different shell session
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[07:33:27] <Beagleroid> ok, how to make it global for ever?
[07:33:29] <tasslehoff> Beagleroid: you have to add it in your .bashrc
[07:33:34] <tasslehoff> or something like that
[07:33:40] <av500> assuming he uses bash...
[07:33:58] <tasslehoff> av500: good point :)
[07:34:13] <Beagleroid> grrrr linux grrrr
[07:34:24] <av500> Beagleroid: use windows then...
[07:34:33] <Beagleroid> :P
[07:34:51] <tasslehoff> Beagleroid: naaaah, the same would have happened in windows, wouldn't it?
[07:34:56] <av500> add it to autoexec.bat.....
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[07:35:54] <av500> tasslehoff: no, edit a bot the regsitry, reboot and all is fine :-)
[07:35:58] <av500> bot->bit
[07:36:22] <tasslehoff> av500: indeed :)
[07:37:59] <Beagleroid> how can I see the path variables are stored? .bashrc or else?
[07:38:16] <av500> depends on your shell
[07:38:31] <Beagleroid> Angstrom
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[07:39:21] <Beagleroid> any chance to see what *shell* i use?
[07:45:21] <hyc_tb> echo $SHELL
[07:45:26] <kblin> if you didn't set a specific shell, chances are good you're using bash, btw
[07:46:03] <Beagleroid> will I see where global vars as path are stored?
[07:47:30] <kblin> you can put the export statement to ~/.bashrc
[07:48:42] <kblin> then all new shells will have the setting
[07:48:51] <kblin> at least for that user
[07:52:33] <Beagleroid> ok, this should work. Thank you
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[08:33:22] <hrw> morning
[08:33:40] <tasslehoff> morning
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[08:34:37] <ldesnogu_> grr
[08:34:51] <av500> angrrrry?
[08:35:23] <ldesnogu_> :)
[08:36:16] <DesktopMa> hmm if I wanted to control this from BB, how would I connect it? It's a turnstile: http://www.boonedam.us/dscript.asp?TUT50/TUT-50-wd.pdf
[08:36:30] <DesktopMa> I'm not much of an electrical engineer unfortuntately
[08:38:33] <av500> then you could try pure will power...
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[08:39:37] <DesktopMa> I have unfortunately the force is not strong enough
[08:39:55] <DesktopMa> I guess I should use the external logic input option?
[08:40:13] <Beagleroid> why with BB?
[08:40:31] <hrw> Beagleroid: BB is one of cheapest devices now
[08:40:39] <av500> well, or connect RED and DARK BLUE
[08:40:51] <hrw> small, cheap, powerfull, has i2c, spi and few other things
[08:40:56] <hrw> bb in few
[08:41:28] <av500> and it can show a 3D animation of the turnstile rotating so that people understand how it works :-)
[08:41:48] <DesktopMa> yeah there will be a screen there too. would be nice if BB could do both
[08:41:51] <av500> use a cam and even map the peoples face to an avatar using it
[08:42:07] <av500> give ppl a preview of their turnstile experience....
[08:42:13] <DesktopMa> av500: hmm so I can use one IO line and open the gate by setting it on? are they 5v?
[08:42:32] <av500> DesktopMa: nope, use an IO line to a relay
[08:42:48] <av500> I would not connect BB and this think electrically
[08:42:53] <av500> relay provide isolation
[08:43:06] <DesktopMa> yeah I don't think I want to do that either. I have no relays though
[08:43:19] <av500> DesktopMa: so, buy some
[08:43:59] <av500> but of course you need a driver for the relay that works of the 1.8B GPIO level...
[08:44:09] <av500> B->V
[08:44:09] <DesktopMa> I will. was just hoping to do some testing today and my shitty town has no stores ;)
[08:44:29] <av500> well, then hold the blue and red wires in your hand and pretend
[08:44:43] <DesktopMa> CUT THE BLUE WIRE
[08:45:02] <av500> or wire them to a switch and use an usb rocket launcher on the BB....
[08:45:25] <av500> you can control several tunrstiles this way
[08:46:18] <DesktopMa> isn't the plc control contacts supposed to be connected directly?
[08:48:02] <av500> no idea, but I would not connect anything directly, turnstiles are not 1.8V devices....
[08:48:11] <av500> what about the serial thingy?
[08:48:29] <DesktopMa> that's what I wanted to do but they didn't buy the serial card
[08:48:44] <DesktopMa> timer board
[08:49:22] <DesktopMa> there are some electrical engineers across the hall so I think I will pay them a visit
[08:50:23] <av500> DesktopMa: there are also USB relay boards that you could hook up to the BB...
[08:50:33] <av500> but I guess they cost more than BB itself..
[08:51:28] <DesktopMa> yeah probably
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[08:51:47] <av500> hmm, even cheap:
[08:51:49] <av500> http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4757843
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[08:52:19] <DesktopMa> wow that's not bad
[08:52:34] <av500> it comes up as a /dev/ttyUSBx
[08:52:56] <av500> and you just send FF 01 0[0|1] to it ...
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[09:03:57] <Beagleroid> DesktopMa: why do you need to invent all this again?
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[09:05:27] <DesktopMa> someone asked if I could create a controller for their turnstile. and its not exactly my area f expertise
[09:07:56] <Beagleroid> using a BB for this is just like hitting nails with a microscope
[09:09:43] <DesktopMa> not when there's also a lcd display at the entrance
[09:09:53] <DesktopMa> it would be more like, not having to get *another* board
[09:11:08] <Beagleroid> what should be done with that LCD?
[09:12:53] <Beagleroid> some kind of menu?
[09:13:36] <DesktopMa> lots of fancy graphics.
[09:13:44] <Beagleroid> will you display a greeting kinda "Hello Mrs. Hudson! Nice to see you. Welcome"
[09:14:19] <DesktopMa> <av500> use a cam and even map the peoples face to an avatar using it
[09:14:23] <DesktopMa> what he said. :P
[09:14:38] <Beagleroid> buy a netboot, break its housing, programm for windows
[09:15:31] <Beagleroid> you'll have a standard IDE to design your progs + USB + LCD + Cams
[09:15:52] <Beagleroid> BB is a raw piece of meat
[09:16:36] <DesktopMa> uh yeah. that's what we're trying to avoid.
[09:17:52] <Beagleroid> BB is good to play with embedded Linux, a simple netbook with WinXP is ready to use
[09:18:40] <Beagleroid> you will still need some microcontroller card to control relays and stuff
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[09:20:14] <Beagleroid> a microcontroller with serial interface (standard with each piece) parsing commands coming from your netbook
[09:21:33] <av500> [10:51] <av500> http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4757843
[09:22:23] <Beagleroid> a microcontroller can give a better feedback if there are some problems
[09:23:35] <Beagleroid> the microcontroller activates a motor and waits till the end switch is turned on.
[09:23:46] <DesktopMa> a netbook with winxp is a maintenance nightmare.
[09:24:04] <Beagleroid> no, it is not
[09:24:13] <DesktopMa> not exactly easily replacable. and few if any are fanless
[09:24:15] <av500> Beagleroid: in this case, the turnstile already does that, it only needs a "go" signal...
[09:25:05] <Beagleroid> av500: if it is all what it needs, why does it need a BB? :)
[09:25:18] <DesktopMa> clearly you're high :P
[09:26:47] <Beagleroid> i'm still missing what this powerfull system (BB, netbook what ever) should do
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[09:32:00] <Beagleroid> you should not foreget that you'll have to test it concerning the safety
[09:32:26] <Beagleroid> the simpler the backend, the easier it will be
[09:33:10] <Beagleroid> where there is a GO signal, there should be a STOP signal, clearly verifiable
[09:34:49] <Beagleroid> you wont be able to verify that embedded Linux OS in an affordable way
[09:35:30] <Beagleroid> in the same time, it is easy to do with a simple microcontrommer programm as backend
[09:36:20] <Beagleroid> fast reset, fast "reboot", watchdog and a simple logics
[09:36:52] <DesktopMa> don't see how ripping apart a netbook is simple
[09:37:09] <av500> its easy
[09:37:18] <av500> I can show you
[09:37:20] <av500> :)
[09:37:22] <DesktopMa> :D
[09:37:38] <av500> but I fail to see why to rip it apart
[09:38:42] <DesktopMa> how else are you going to have fun with it
[09:38:52] <av500> fun, with a netbook?
[09:38:59] <av500> right, rip it apart...
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[09:39:06] <Beagleroid> a netbook has a serial interface, and a netbook has a worldwide accepted OS running on it
[09:39:22] <av500> Beagleroid: lol
[09:39:25] <DesktopMa> lol
[09:39:33] <Beagleroid> that's reality
[09:39:41] <av500> it wont even boot up automatically....
[09:39:47] <DesktopMa> clearly you're the reason for bluescreens on bank terminals
[09:39:58] <Beagleroid> at the end you'll have to prove that your firmware is not dangerous
[09:40:30] <DesktopMa> which isn't even theoretically possible with xp
[09:40:31] <Beagleroid> ok, take a netboot with Linux
[09:40:34] <av500> and that worldwide accepted OS is proven for that?
[09:41:08] <Beagleroid> it is proven that you wont be asked supid question on how it works
[09:41:10] <DesktopMa> all I can say is, http://dualinity.wippiespace.com/pics/Successful_troll.jpg
[09:41:53] <Beagleroid> yes, DesktopMa, it is really ALL what you can say
[09:42:04] <Beagleroid> still you do NOT have a solution
[09:42:11] <Beagleroid> niente, zero, nada
[09:42:51] <av500> Beagleroid: for an industrial solution you would not pick a netbook, rather some industrial embedded pc....
[09:43:19] <av500> then, it all depends on price/size whether you pick a BB or an X86 thingy...
[09:43:20] <Beagleroid> av500: that's much better. so NO BEAGLEBOARD
[09:43:31] <av500> Beagleroid: as I said, it depends
[09:45:35] <Beagleroid> an industrial PC has all approval certificates, the BB has nothing
[09:46:00] <Beagleroid> AND an ind. PC is not that expensive
[09:46:32] <Beagleroid> those certificates cover hardware and firmware
[09:46:57] <Beagleroid> with BB... it is just a kit
[09:47:06] <DesktopMa> and your netbook exactly?
[09:47:56] <Beagleroid> a netbook is at least approved for home use by an unqualified person
[09:48:15] <cwillu_at_work> not once you've cracked the case open
[09:48:41] <Beagleroid> cwillu_at_work: ok, so the solution is... an industrial PC
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[09:57:54] <bkero> Industrial PCs are expensive
[09:58:38] <bkero> Are 'industrial' is usually a term for 'slower, older, and more expensive'.
[09:59:17] <bkero> Just go pot a beagleboard, then it'll be as industrial as you could ever want
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[10:00:29] <kblin> well, maybe the industrial PC at least has a stable USB port
[10:00:50] <av500> kblin: touche...
[10:01:11] <alexandre_fs> Hello! I am looking for cheap solutions for connecting the Beagle Board to a LCD... I think the latest release exposes the LCD signals so there must be someone who has connected an LCD to the board? But I can only find expensive or complicated LCD solutions on the web...
[10:01:37] <bkero> I hear the DVI output works pretty well for that. ;)
[10:02:22] <alexandre_fs> but the LCD monitor that connects to the DVI-D output costs 400USD
[10:02:30] <bkero> What?
[10:02:41] <alexandre_fs> https://www.xenarcdirect.com/product.php?productid=16194
[10:03:04] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, if you mean "touchscreen", you should say "touchscreen"
[10:03:04] <av500> so it must be small?
[10:03:17] <bkero> I bought a no-branded clone of that for $200 in 2004.
[10:03:35] <alexandre_fs> touchscreen is just a nice feature...i don't have to have it... but this is the only monitor i found on the official site
[10:03:55] <av500> why not buy a random LCD with DVI?
[10:03:56] <alexandre_fs> and i would like not a monitor but just the display
[10:03:58] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, if you're not embedding, just get any old lcd, as long as it uses dvi, you'll get a picture
[10:04:04] <av500> or does it have to be 7"?
[10:04:17] <alexandre_fs> no...but i would like just the display for embedding
[10:04:39] <cwillu_at_work> well, then I think you'll have to figure out the complicated stuff
[10:04:45] <alexandre_fs> :)
[10:04:56] <av500> or use the MIMO samsung 7" USB Stiff
[10:04:58] <av500> stuff
[10:05:06] <bkero> Hey look, same thing for $390 on ebay, and it's still a GIGANTIC RIPOFF. http://cgi.ebay.com/XENARC-706TSA-7-TFT-LCD-Touchscreen-Monitor-w-DVI_W0QQitemZ290354843119QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Video_Navigation?hash=item439a7f4def
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[10:07:43] <alexandre_fs> I see this MIMO display.... looks good, but connect thru USB? Would this be direct, like if I was connecting to the DVI-D? I guess i would have to nistall some drivers...
[10:08:38] <alexandre_fs> bkero, yes, the Xenarc monitor is not an option :)
[10:08:38] <av500> there is an X11 driver for it
[10:08:49] <alexandre_fs> ok
[10:08:58] <alexandre_fs> that looks like a better solution
[10:10:01] <alexandre_fs> still it feels strange to be using a USB port for image... What about S-video? Beagle has an output for that right? Shouldn't this be easier/cheaper to connect to a LCD display?
[10:10:39] <av500> depends on what you want to display? svideo is good for video, bad for X11
[10:10:58] <av500> if your GUI works on a TV, it works on svideo...
[10:11:19] <DesktopMa> unless you have a tv from this century
[10:11:19] <av500> large fonts, large icons etc..
[10:11:20] <DesktopMa> :)
[10:11:25] <cwillu_at_work> was about to say... :p
[10:11:45] <av500> DesktopMa: that does not change the video bandwidth of svideo...
[10:12:05] <DesktopMa> no but you could have been connecting it with dvi :P
[10:12:28] <cwillu_at_work> av500, people from this century don't use svideo to connect things to their tv's :p
[10:12:39] <alexandre_fs> eheheheh
[10:12:49] <av500> cwillu_at_work: yes, but the question was about using svideo......
[10:12:50] <alexandre_fs> i just want a simple solution to an embedded LCD display
[10:13:00] <av500> alexandre_fs: again, to do what?
[10:13:01] <alexandre_fs> until now this seems the best solution: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRawLCD
[10:13:05] <DesktopMa> there must surely be panel only boards
[10:13:06] <cwillu_at_work> av500, and the nitpick was about "if your GUI works on a TV, it works on svideo..."
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[10:13:36] <alexandre_fs> av500, i just want to see the GUI
[10:13:44] <alexandre_fs> X11
[10:13:44] <av500> cwillu_at_work: right "works on TV" as in 90s TV, sorry...
[10:14:06] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, this won't help future projects as this depends on the io of the particular lcd, but you may want to look at gumstix's lcd boards
[10:14:09] <av500> so you want to make a product that shows X11 with a blinking cursor?
[10:14:34] <av500> again, it all depends on your use case
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[10:15:13] <alexandre_fs> i can understand that it wouldn't be a "production" solution... still it would meet my requirements, that right now is just to output the X11
[10:15:44] <DesktopMa> http://cgi.ebay.com/New-8-9-Acer-Aspire-One-ZG5-LCD-Screen-display-panel_W0QQitemZ270440687011QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef78565a3
[10:15:46] <av500> and why not use a standard LCD DVI monitor?
[10:15:49] <DesktopMa> what type of connector do these use?
[10:16:04] <av500> DesktopMa: non standard
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[10:16:59] <alexandre_fs> av500, because i want to create the feeling of an embedded screen
[10:17:32] <alexandre_fs> for a portable device...
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[10:17:53] <alexandre_fs> (yes...the next step will be how to power it...)
[10:18:04] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=237
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[10:19:40] <alexandre_fs> cwillu_at_work, thanks i was looking for that
[10:19:43] <kblin> pocket size cold fusion reactors for the win :)
[10:19:49] <alexandre_fs> ehehehe
[10:20:36] <alexandre_fs> GumStix LCD controller: Connections: (2) 70-pin AVX 5602-24 connectors
[10:21:03] <alexandre_fs> di I have that interface in beagle?
[10:21:06] <alexandre_fs> *do
[10:21:20] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, look at the packs for how their systems work
[10:21:31] <alexandre_fs> ok
[10:21:39] <cwillu_at_work> you just need an overo earth which clips onto those connectors
[10:21:39] <av500> alexandre_fs: no, this is for a gumstix
[10:21:51] <cwillu_at_work> alexandre_fs, it's the same processor as the gumstix, I've had very good success booting bb and overo off the same cards
[10:22:30] <alexandre_fs> maybe the whole gumstix solution would be better for me then...
[10:22:36] <av500> alexandre_fs: or this: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/beagle_lcd.htm
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[10:23:48] <av500> or wait for these guys to have their LCD solution ready: http://www.beagleboardtoys.com/
[10:25:13] <Beagleroid> DesktopMa will never get approvals for this hobby stuff
[10:25:23] <alexandre_fs> yes...i went to that site, but they don't update it for a while...
[10:25:35] <av500> alexandre_fs: I guess it is "stable" then :)
[10:25:47] <alexandre_fs> the BeagleLCD seems perfect
[10:26:08] <alexandre_fs> yes.. non-existing is stable :)
[10:26:16] <av500> ds2: you have a costumer here!
[10:30:32] <alexandre_fs> thank you all for helping me... i'm kind of divided between BB, Gumstix or buying a TouchBook and hack it
[10:30:46] <alexandre_fs> I just prefer BB over Gumstix for the community support...
[10:31:07] <DesktopMa> if the pandora is ever finished there' also that
[10:31:11] <DesktopMa> since it has an lcd :P
[10:31:12] <alexandre_fs> but maybe it would be simpler for me to buy a Gumstix with the necessary modules...
[10:31:26] <alexandre_fs> Pandora?
[10:31:36] <DesktopMa> www.openpandora.org
[10:32:35] <alexandre_fs> looks good.. but still in dev..
[10:32:44] <DesktopMa> yeah it's been sloow coming
[10:34:04] <alexandre_fs> TouchBook is ready now....
[10:34:15] <alexandre_fs> and has the advantage to have a version without keyboard
[10:34:20] <DesktopMa> yeah that's true
[10:34:28] <DesktopMa> I'm considering one
[10:34:41] <alexandre_fs> but it's based in the B2 revision of BB
[10:34:43] <DesktopMa> wish it had less space around the screen though
[10:34:58] <DesktopMa> are you sure? did those have 256MB ram?
[10:35:04] <alexandre_fs> yes i think so
[10:35:24] <av500> B has 128
[10:35:30] <kblin> revBs only have 128..
[10:35:38] <DesktopMa> that's what I thought
[10:35:39] <alexandre_fs> uhmm..let me find the link
[10:35:54] <kblin> but that sounds like an easy change without changing much of the remaining board
[10:36:03] <DesktopMa> yeah true. if it's just "based on"
[10:37:24] <kblin> to be honest, at least with the kernels I'm currently running, the b6 runs better than the c2
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[10:40:51] <alexandre_fs> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=198&p=752&hilit=BeagleBoard#p752
[10:41:04] <alexandre_fs> it was not here where i read it... but still, has the info
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[10:42:31] <alexandre_fs> ok here: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=175&p=556&hilit=BeagleBoard#p556
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[10:43:29] <wince> hi
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[10:43:43] <alexandre_fs> they started from rev B2
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[10:44:16] <wince> i am porting wince on beagle board ....I am half way
[10:44:32] <wince> i am able to load ebootram.nb0
[10:44:34] <alexandre_fs> but they corrected some USB bugs that rev had...
[10:45:17] <wince> but i am not able to load main os image nk.bin ..i am loading it via serial port....i just wanted to know what is the serial port address?
[10:45:55] <wince> my eboot is sendign request via serial port but i am not able to receive on pc ...
[10:54:19] <alexandre_fs> bye all! thanks!
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[12:04:53] <_koen_> hrw: in case you missed it, you have my ack for the patches you posted yesterday (can't reply currently)
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[12:08:51] <puppy> test
[12:10:07] <av500> toast
[12:10:31] <puppy> juice
[12:11:08] <puppy> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/
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[12:11:53] <puppy> dev manager - udev or mdev - whats the differance?
[12:14:13] <XorA> puppy: if you dont know use udev
[12:14:49] <puppy> don't know. thanks! :-)
[12:16:56] <puppy> i got the regular angstrom working no prob... thought i would try something more, using extended version, more packages.
[12:18:26] <puppy> can i import any linux apps from other distros into the angstrom?
[12:18:41] <XorA> puppy: debian armeb stuff would probably run
[12:18:51] <XorA> puppy: but best to build them custrom
[12:19:13] <puppy> does it have to be only debian apps
[12:19:51] <mru> XorA: armeb would probably not work too well
[12:19:57] <mru> armel probably would
[12:20:13] <XorA> mru: oops, thats what I meant to type :-)
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[12:20:56] <puppy> so the apps must be armel in order to work, thanks
[12:21:42] * XorA is lucky the intelligent people hang out here
[12:21:42] <puppy> armel or armeb or both
[12:22:02] <puppy> :-)
[12:22:14] * mru is just one of the bored people
[12:22:48] <XorA> puppy: listen to mru, he is brainier
[12:23:08] <mru> but also sillier
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[12:24:44] <puppy> me, myself and I thanks ya for help ;-)
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[12:27:51] <hrw> koen: I know. waiting for second Ack
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[12:33:02] <puppy> Question: is angstrom better then ubuntu or better supported?
[12:33:18] <XorA> Angstrom knocks ubuntus socks off, they wish they had our cool
[12:35:00] <XorA> puppy: seriously though, there are a number of Angstrom devs here, changes/bugfixes can be responded to in minutes
[12:35:03] <av500> distro wars....
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[12:37:09] <puppy> no distro war, just asking... ubuntu keeps changing names and updates i can't keep up with...
[12:37:18] <puppy> no distro war, just asking... ubuntu keeps changing names and updates i can't keep up with...
[12:37:47] <puppy> argggg
[12:38:00] <siji> I will vote for Debian
[12:38:02] <siji> :)
[12:38:12] <hrw> Gentoo!
[12:38:24] <hrw> I have 3xBB so gentoo should be doable now
[12:38:47] <siji> hrw,wht's 3xBB
[12:38:58] <hrw> siji: BB c3 + BB c3 + BB c7
[12:39:05] <hrw> = 3 x BB
[12:39:07] <siji> oh cool
[12:39:09] <XorA> hrw: Wierdly Ubuntu arm actually comes from Gentoo :-), Portage -> OE -> debian eabi -> ubuntu :-D
[12:39:09] <siji> ok
[12:39:33] <hrw> XorA: forgot buildroot and OZ in that queue
[12:39:38] <av500> buildroot ftw
[12:39:50] <XorA> hrw: they are on the other fork :-)
[12:40:21] <XorA> but keep telling the ubuntu zealots that their distro started as Gentoo :-)
[12:41:58] <puppy> he he...lol... confusions... arggg..
[12:42:02] <siji> see, according to me the only question is whether Debian or RPM
[12:42:26] <mru> that's like choosing between syphilis or death
[12:42:28] <siji> Kernel will remain same also X,and gui too(Gnome KDE etc)
[12:43:02] <siji> mru,i am familiar with Deb only
[12:43:56] <mru> debian values "freedom" higher than utility
[12:44:06] <siji> mru,true
[12:44:41] <mru> I don't care if some gpl app happens to indirectly link with openssl
[12:44:52] <mru> or directly for that matter
[12:45:04] <siji> but the the drawback i noticed in all those distro is booting time
[12:45:34] <mru> my gentoo boots in a matter of seconds on beagle
[12:45:43] <hrw> mru: as Debian user I like their way of freedom
[12:45:46] <XorA> mru: my opinion is if the GPL app has the ability to link to openssl, I figure the copyright holders meant it and therefore its not a license violation
[12:46:12] <XorA> mru: an opionion obviously shared by the FSF as they "fixed" GPL3 :-)
[12:46:22] <mru> the typical situation is App uses libcurl, and libcurl can *optionally* use openssl
[12:46:40] <mru> debain loonies see this as App linking against openssl
[12:46:49] <XorA> then your app is not linked to openssl, no isssue
[12:46:53] <mru> and then go on to call that a licence violation
[12:46:55] <puppy> i asked because i purchased original main distros such as debain, fedora, slackware and ultra applications disks, and wondering if the apps within would work, but as mentioned above it must be armel.
[12:47:10] <mru> XorA: you obviously haven't spent many minutes reading debian-legal
[12:47:28] * mru reads debian-legal for a laugh
[12:47:35] <XorA> mru: I have, they are pretty much all idiots who sound be put back into first grade of school
[12:47:51] <XorA> mru: they once claimed I didnt own copyright on my own code, because I dared to make a patch for mplayer
[12:49:11] <siji> mru,XorA,is it the issue with GPL2.0 version
[12:49:12] <mru> and then, after all the politics and philosophy, the debian "freedom" is still only whatever the all-powerful ftpmaster decides
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[12:52:20] <siji> <puppy>,everything available for free download even or armel too
[12:52:22] <puppy> do the regular distros i mentioned above contain any armel app directorys?
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[12:52:38] <siji> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[12:52:39] <siji> yes
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[12:53:15] <puppy> cool! so just basically copy paste into my usb stick and transfer over...
[12:53:24] <kblin> mru: everybody but the folks who flamewar on debian-legal read it for laughs
[12:53:25] <siji> yes
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[12:53:46] <kblin> mru: I bet the debian ftp-masters read it for laughs if they have the time to read it at all
[12:54:04] <siji> :)
[12:54:04] <kblin> mru: also, the folks on debian-legal have only a dim concept of law
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[12:54:20] <puppy> ::-)
[12:54:24] <mru> there are a few people who do have a clue, but they are always ignored
[12:54:54] <kblin> they obviously got lost in the flame-flood last time I tried to get a package into debian
[12:55:06] <kblin> it was GFDL licensed, so non-free
[12:55:31] <mru> throwing a fit over such things is just pointless
[12:56:11] <craw> hey there
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[12:56:19] <craw> can anyone tell me if it is possible to display yuv/ycbcr images via fbdev on omap?
[12:56:36] <mru> it is
[12:56:38] <XorA> yes
[12:56:41] <mru> cf omapfbplay
[12:56:57] <puppy> sorry i started the distro war..
[12:57:46] <craw> so i can write a yuv image to /dev/fb0 when i set it up somehow (which i would have to look up now)
[12:57:58] <craw> not just via the v4l interface to the dss?
[12:58:06] <mru> and debian on arm is just a bad idea
[12:58:25] <mru> craw: you can use /dev/fb1 or fb2 for yuv overlay
[12:58:48] <craw> mru: starting from 2.6.29 kernelversion?
[12:59:02] <craw> cause i am currently still running .28
[12:59:10] <mru> anything with dss2 patched in
[12:59:42] <craw> alright, thank you very much :)
[13:00:39] <puppy> i hate to say this but enlightenment manager is giving ma a migrain... can i change it? what is better?
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[13:01:52] <mru> ratpoison ;-)
[13:02:30] <puppy> have'nt heard of that one yet, must be new ;-)
[13:02:44] <craw> it is not :)
[13:03:00] <puppy> a cure all to all ales?
[13:03:14] <mru> ale *is* the cure...
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[13:04:54] <puppy> seriously , i'm having issues with it, i am not enlightened.
[13:06:16] <puppy> what window managers can i put in that might work better
[13:06:45] <craw> i am not using any
[13:06:54] <craw> but have seen gnome run on the beagle just fine
[13:07:33] <puppy> i was thinking about gnome, so it's posible
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[13:08:07] <puppy> i liked gnome on my pc
[13:08:18] <siji> puppy,u will die :)
[13:08:30] <puppy> hopefully soon
[13:08:40] <siji> yes,if you are going to use GNOME
[13:08:48] <siji> try LXDE
[13:08:54] <siji> that will be better
[13:09:08] <puppy> Thanks! ;-)
[13:09:09] <siji> lightwegiht and nice interface
[13:09:30] <siji> am running by BB with ubuntu base with LXDE
[13:10:06] <midcon1> ew it's kde-like
[13:10:58] <mru> gnome and kde are not window managers
[13:11:07] <mru> they are ram/cpu blackholes
[13:11:10] <midcon1> hah
[13:11:15] <XorA> mru: hehe
[13:11:20] <av500> mru: diskspace mostly...
[13:11:20] <XorA> mru: they are the new Windows
[13:11:28] <siji> mru,nice definition
[13:11:37] <kblin> mru: but they can make windows wobble....
[13:11:42] <mru> they're certainly copying the worst from mswindows
[13:11:57] <XorA> mru: in my testing on EEE windows 7 ourperforms gnome :-D
[13:11:57] <kblin> mru: is that part of the effects on the event horizon?
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[13:12:07] <puppy> are you telling me that you are using all command line?
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[13:12:20] <av500> butterflies ftw
[13:12:27] * mru uses X
[13:12:47] <mru> I usually have about 3 emacs windows and a dozen xterms open
[13:12:55] <XorA> mru is so cool he thinks X protocol steam to the screen
[13:13:14] <midcon1> puppy: give openbox a try... or xfce if you like gnome
[13:13:37] <kblin> mru: oh, you boot your BB into emacs?
[13:14:30] <mru> no emacs on the bb
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[13:22:42] <puppy> way way back in 1998 i started with open bsd which allowed me to create small script windows and apps within, it was not a window manager, per say, more like thats all the mouse and window could do, but it was incredibly fast, is this what you call emacs?
[13:24:16] <midcon1> pretty close
[13:24:30] <midcon1> it's just a text editor though
[13:24:36] <muriani> emacs has the butterfly, though.
[13:24:41] <midcon1> but a nice one if you're on a console system
[13:25:00] <puppy> purly console.
[13:25:24] <av500> puppy: I dont think mru was suggesting emacs for the BB....
[13:26:21] <puppy> xfce looks interesting.. any comments on it
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[13:26:42] <av500> yes, its a window manager, no?
[13:27:02] <hrw> xfce is whole desktop env
[13:27:08] <av500> is it
[13:27:11] <av500> ok
[13:27:29] <puppy> does it run on armel
[13:27:49] <av500> anyway, I dont play with dm/de all day, I usually have some window content that is much more interesting to look at....
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[13:30:30] <puppy> Thanks for all your help!!! ;-)
[13:31:05] <muriani> I wouldn't recommend anything heavier than e17 on beagle, personally
[13:31:11] <muriani> I'd probably use flux
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[13:31:48] <midcon1> i thought he was talking about on his desktop machine?
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[13:31:59] <midcon1> i could be wrong though
[13:32:08] <midcon1> i walked in after they started talking about it
[13:32:27] <muriani> oh
[13:32:32] <muriani> heh, I did too
[13:32:33] <muriani> lol
[13:32:47] <muriani> but we're in #beagle, so I assume context is such :)
[13:32:51] <midcon1> indeed
[13:33:00] <midcon1> today i start reading ogre3d source
[13:33:12] <midcon1> since apparently they're the only ones that can make powervr work properly
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[13:33:43] <kblin> the OP asked about angstrom vs ubuntu, I doubt that's a question about desktop computers
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[13:33:58] <midcon1> agreed
[13:35:08] <hrw> I have x86 machines here which runs angstrom
[13:35:30] <hrw> one of them has even LCD+keyboard+mouse connected and runs X11
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[13:35:59] <hrw> does it makes it desktop?
[13:36:12] <midcon1> yep
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[13:36:52] <hrw> but I do not think that ubuntu would start on it...
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[13:37:53] <midcon1> i'm about ready to kill my ubuntu install
[13:38:11] <midcon1> it has been extremely glitchy lately
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[13:39:50] <muriani> midcon1: clutter uses opengl es I think
[13:40:02] <muriani> in X even!
[13:40:12] <midcon1> yeah they do, and i've run their demos
[13:40:24] <muriani> ah
[13:40:30] <midcon1> it's weird
[13:40:43] <midcon1> i can get it to work in x and from console only
[13:40:48] <midcon1> but textures don't work
[13:40:50] <midcon1> for some reason
[13:41:33] <midcon1> i'm still flailing a bit trying to figure it out... i should write up a wiki on this once it's done
[13:41:40] <midcon1> this has been almost a nightmare
[13:41:42] <muriani> heh
[13:42:02] <muriani> I need to write up a wiki for installing aliosa27's zipit images
[13:42:36] <midcon1> i find wiki writing very soothing after banging my head against a wall for a week or so
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[13:43:48] <muriani> I hate writing, heh
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[13:46:39] <mru> I hate being forced to write when I have nothing to say
[13:46:51] <muriani> Yeah.
[13:46:59] <muriani> writing a wiki isn't so bad.
[13:47:03] <puppy> ah, i found the rat poison, what should i do now?
[13:47:03] <muriani> It's just tedium to me.
[13:47:09] <av500> eat it?
[13:47:24] <muriani> puppy: place it around your home and garage, and the rats should never bother you again.
[13:47:29] <muriani> some cleanup may be required.
[13:47:31] <muriani> *nod*
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[13:49:08] <muriani> oh snap, it's the.. beagle better business bureau?
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[13:50:33] <jkridner|work> I never mind writing, even when I have nothing to say whatsoever. I hate not having the free time to waste more people's time with filling up bits for them to read. To everyone: please waste your time reading my text.
[13:51:07] <midcon1> done
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[13:52:03] <kblin> jkridner|work: looking for a job in management?
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[13:53:22] <puppy> root/rat poison/ingest/effects/migraine relieve/funky colors.scr
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[13:55:24] <jkridner|work> kblin: if I spend much longer away from coding, I might not be qualified for anything else.
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[14:01:38] <puppy> root/rat poison/ingest/coffee/long term effects/quick death/please wait...
[14:03:38] <mmaquina> do u write lyrics for radiohead?
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[14:09:00] <puppy> nope...
[14:09:37] <mmaquina> you could make some bucks... sorry to go off topic
[14:09:44] <XorA> mmaquina: :-D
[14:09:46] <puppy> uh.. tastes like chicken...
[14:09:50] <XorA> although I hate radiohead
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[14:12:30] <puppy> it's one of those mornings... and i've been up all night...
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[14:14:54] <craw> since 2.6.29 i should upgrade the codesourcery toolchain, right? (is currently 2007q3)
[14:15:19] <mru> 2009q1 seems stable
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[14:39:39] <Crofton> gm
[14:40:15] <av500> gm
[14:40:31] <av500> gpmc day?
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[14:42:06] <Crofton> almost don
[14:42:06] <Crofton> e
[14:42:07] <Crofton> need to sort out ale/adv
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[14:42:13] <midcon1> [ 40.216583] PVRSRV_PIXEL_FORMAT_RGB888
[14:42:44] <midcon1> were we aware already that 24bpp was working in SGX driver?
[14:42:57] <midcon1> i should go by the TI site more often
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[14:45:08] <mru> morning Crofton
[14:45:34] <_koen_> midcon1: it's been working for a few months now, it's been stated on the beagleboard mailinglist multiple times
[14:45:41] <_koen_> hey Crofton
[14:45:49] <av500> _koen_: but u did not update the wiki! :-)
[14:46:47] <midcon1> heh.. so it has
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[14:48:01] <_koen_> av500: I refuse to touch community wikis
[14:48:11] <Crofton> gm
[14:48:22] <Crofton> so many wikis, so little time
[14:48:23] <_koen_> people who write wikis generally can't read
[14:49:13] <Crofton> more the problem is so many wikis
[14:49:26] <av500> there should be a wiki that lists them all, no?
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[14:51:27] <mru> wikis are write-only
[14:52:37] <Crofton> av500, not a bad idea ....
[14:52:53] <kblin> _koen_: arguably the mailing list is for people who can
[14:52:57] <kblin> 't read either
[14:53:06] <kblin> while IRC is for people who can't type
[14:53:25] <av500> kblin: I liked it better as: "the mailing list is for people who can"
[14:53:31] <av500> yes we can
[14:53:41] <av500> sorry, "yse, we cna"
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[15:21:02] <midcon1> they're doing flu shots in the conference room
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[15:21:06] <midcon1> i hate needles
[15:25:48] <ckrinke> good morning
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[15:46:10] <gt2> Hi, I have HDMI enabled on a version of the TI LO sync kernel, but have issues with the screen size. I tested with Poky and Angstrom and both are not loaded full screen. I heard that the kernel doesn't have a hot plug for it to switch and this has to be handled at user space. Any clues??
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[15:48:38] <hrw> XorA: which vodka?
[15:48:58] * hrw waits for truely EU vodka - made from carrets
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[15:49:13] <av500> carets?
[15:49:15] <XorA> hrw: hehe, Im not much of a vodka conesuir
[15:50:06] <hrw> av500: EU says that carret is fruit. EU also says that vodka can be made from fruits.
[15:50:23] <mru> polish vodka is good
[15:50:29] <mru> at least some of it
[15:50:53] <XorA> we should get hrw to bring some to OEDEM
[15:50:57] <hrw> mru: we make it from grain or potatos
[15:50:59] <hrw> XorA: ;D
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[16:00:25] <gt2> Any help on HDMI display issue with Angstrom on Zoom2?
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[16:02:38] <av500> some ppl have disabled fbcon in their kernel to be able to switch dss2 res....
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[16:06:20] <gt2> av500: but wouldn't that affect other display features?
[16:07:07] <av500> it would disable the FB console
[16:07:18] <av500> that I guess most ppl dont need as they use the serial one
[16:07:22] <gt2> I am a newbie and have this hacked from the Android kernel
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[17:21:17] <furibondox> hi... I've a beagle C2 version and I just compiled the kernel from git (linux-omap-2.6) I've configured it and build but the USB port seems not working... someone has any idea?
[17:21:46] <furibondox> (the standard USB, not the mini-USB)
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[17:22:30] <furibondox> the mini-USB I think it works because it is used to source power...
[17:25:20] <av500> Crofton: looks like mux is moving again...
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[17:26:40] <Crofton> yeah
[17:26:55] <Crofton> I need to do some shoving next week myself
[17:32:58] <furibondox> root@beagleboard:~# uname -a
[17:32:58] <furibondox> Linux beagleboard 2.6.32-rc3-06054-g6c24a43 #5 Thu Oct 8 18:33:11 CEST 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux
[17:33:12] <furibondox> but the second USB doesn't work :(
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[17:36:18] <furibondox> root@beagleboard:~# ls /proc/bus/usb/
[17:36:18] <furibondox> 001 devices
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[17:36:30] <furibondox> i see only the first port
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[17:53:04] <SplasH> has anybody some experiences about image processing on the beagleboard with an usb camera?
[17:54:19] <furibondox> Splash your usb number 2 works correctly?
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[17:56:38] <furibondox> http://pastebin.com/m64fcec52
[17:56:56] <furibondox> I've a beagleboard version C2
[17:57:04] <furibondox> but the usb doesn't work...
[17:57:07] <furibondox> any idea???
[17:57:34] <SplasH> I also have rev c2
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[18:00:11] <SplasH> I don't know where the problem is. I'm new with my beagle and I don't know much about the linux kernel
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[18:54:48] <furibondox> SplasH: which kernel do you use?
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[19:01:36] <tahsin> hello
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[19:02:02] <tahsin> hello
[19:04:13] <furibondox> hello
[19:04:28] <tahsin> hey
[19:04:30] <furibondox> is there anyone with rev. C2?
[19:04:34] <tahsin> i do
[19:04:49] <furibondox> which kernel do you have?
[19:05:17] <tahsin> v2.6.29-58cf2f1-oer45.1
[19:05:37] <tahsin> how about you?
[19:05:37] <furibondox> and the second usb works?
[19:05:42] <tahsin> yes it does
[19:05:46] <furibondox> mmm
[19:05:49] <tahsin> you mean the host?
[19:05:52] <tahsin> or the otg?
[19:06:08] <furibondox> the standard usb (not the mini-usb)
[19:06:12] <tahsin> i see
[19:06:23] <tahsin> well for me i have to connect it to hub
[19:06:40] <tahsin> i have trouble sometimes just connecting it directly like a keyboard
[19:06:48] <tahsin> which i find it odd
[19:07:28] <cwillu_at_work> anyone know offhand what the orientation of the backup battery is supposed to be on the rev c3?
[19:07:41] <furibondox> if i plug a usb pendrive on the standard usb (otg or host, I don't know the difference) I can't mount because the pendrive is not recognized
[19:07:56] <tahsin> hmm
[19:08:11] <tahsin> well does anythign show in the serial terminal?
[19:08:13] <furibondox> i've tried both with kernel 2.6.29 and 2.6.32
[19:08:25] <furibondox> http://pastebin.com/m64fcec52
[19:09:04] <djlewis_> cwillu_at_work: it is in the BBSRM
[19:09:11] <tahsin> 2.6.32 wont boot for me
[19:09:29] <cwillu_at_work> djlewis_, thanks, knowing the acronym just saved me 10 minutes
[19:09:42] <cwillu_at_work> (browser had just crashed, and I have a big session)
[19:10:04] <tahsin> (furibondox) well did your try connecting a usb hub and then connecting it?
[19:10:47] <tahsin> because my host cant power a flash drive by itself
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[19:11:03] <tahsin> i ahve to have a self powered usb hub to get it working
[19:11:43] <cwillu_at_work> furibondox, what are you plugging into it?
[19:11:59] <cwillu_at_work> furibondox, needs to be a good quality usb2.0 hub if you're intending to use a keyboard or mouse through it
[19:12:16] <tahsin> his flash drive wont detect
[19:12:42] <djlewis_> cwillu_at_work: beagleboard.org, the user manual link, a big PDF
[19:12:48] <tahsin> Well did anyone get the GPIO pins to work?
[19:13:22] <cwillu_at_work> djlewis_, don't mistake that comment for flippancy, I actually meant that (I had a bbsrm pdf, but I thought it was something completely unrelated)\
[19:13:40] <djlewis_> cwillu_at_work: tons of god info in it :)
[19:13:44] <djlewis_> good
[19:14:18] <tahsin> did anyone of you guys get the GPIO pins to work?
[19:14:48] <furibondox> i've tried to plug directy a usb pendrive
[19:15:12] <tahsin> whats your power source ?
[19:15:30] <furibondox> i power the beagle from the mini-usb
[19:15:37] <tahsin> hmm
[19:15:58] <tahsin> do you know whts your power requrement for your pen drive?
[19:16:27] <tahsin> as i said mine wont work directly since my drive eats a lot of power
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[19:17:55] <furibondox> i've a 2.6.28 kernel that make it works...
[19:18:05] <tahsin> yes i am aware of that
[19:18:34] <tahsin> but from my experiance i have trouble connecting things directly in the port
[19:18:44] <furibondox> mmm
[19:18:45] <tahsin> so i have a powered usb hub
[19:18:57] <tahsin> and it works flawlessly
[19:19:27] <tahsin> you might want to try it that way first
[19:19:43] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, I've got a kernel configured that exposes the gpio ports directly in /sys,
[19:19:43] <furibondox> i have now usb hub here to test...
[19:19:50] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, no idea what the magic config option was though :p
[19:20:00] <furibondox> "now" --> "no"
[19:20:23] <tahsin> (cwillu_at_work )well i did get the gpo but i cant change the values
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[19:20:43] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, well, I can :p
[19:20:53] <tahsin> can you help
[19:20:55] <tahsin> ?
[19:21:07] <cwillu_at_work> one sec, let me check the script I was using to toggle it
[19:21:07] <furibondox> and i see another strange thing... the USR0 and USR1 led don't blink but are fixed
[19:21:21] <tahsin> oh
[19:21:25] <tahsin> well you need an os
[19:21:29] <tahsin> to run from mmc
[19:21:33] <tahsin> like ubuntu
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[19:21:47] <tahsin> or angtrom
[19:22:00] <furibondox> i've angstrom in the nand
[19:22:05] <tahsin> ok
[19:22:05] <cwillu_at_work> "echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio147/value" was the command line I ultimately used
[19:22:21] <cwillu_at_work> I'll see if I can still find the .config for it
[19:22:21] <furibondox> and it is correctly mounted on /
[19:22:25] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> i have tired that i get no responce
[19:22:44] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, define response, how do you have things hooked up to it?
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[19:23:36] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> i ahve a led hooked up to it using pin 24 GPIO_168 but i cant change the value to 1 it always stays at 0
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[19:23:54] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, the kernel config is at http://cwillu.com/files/overo_config.gz
[19:24:10] <tahsin> <furibondox> go to /sys/class/led < see if you have that folder
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[19:24:57] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, it's a config for an overo, but the kernel works fine on a beagleboard
[19:25:02] <furibondox> i've no led directory/file under /sys/class
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[19:26:10] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> well i have done that before... well i am talking about the expansion port...
[19:26:22] <tahsin> <furibondox>http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/c623a16637625685?hl=en
[19:26:29] <furibondox> ok
[19:27:31] <furibondox> tahsin: do you have a good .config for the 2.6.29?
[19:27:36] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> i want to change the values on my expansion board.. i can chage the directions fine but i cant change the values... but for the USR leds that works fine
[19:27:59] <tahsin> <furibondox> well i used a precompiled one
[19:28:18] <furibondox> ah ok... where do you have downloaded it?
[19:29:05] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, there's a way to make entries for whatever gpio_### you want, I don't recall exactly how, but it works
[19:29:23] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, I had it working on a bunch of gpio's that weren't leds
[19:29:28] <cwillu_at_work> reading and writing
[19:29:41] <tahsin> well i know how to activate them
[19:30:10] <tahsin> but i cant make them do anything else except make them input and ouput
[19:30:20] <tahsin> <furibondox>http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.29-58cf2f1-oer45.1/
[19:30:42] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, you mean the muxing itself? like, which signal is on them?
[19:30:46] <tahsin> <furibondox> there is a uimage already there>
[19:31:35] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> for example i want pin 24 which is GPIO168 to be value 1... i can issue the command but it wont change the value
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[19:32:34] <furibondox> tahsin: ok i try that uImage... but then I need to modify the kernel sources in order to enable another serial on the expansion
[19:32:37] <cwillu_at_work> tahsin, do you mean the signal doesn't show up on the pin, or when you read the value back out of /sys/, it's still at the old value?
[19:32:56] <tahsin> <cwillu_at_work> it is still the old value
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[19:34:05] <tahsin> <furibondox> what do you mean by other serial on the expansion?
[19:34:48] <tahsin> <furibondox>setenv bootcmd 'mmc init; fatload mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage; bootm 0x80200000' setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 rw omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60'
[19:35:03] <tahsin> <furibondox> you mean that?
[19:36:07] <furibondox> no.. i have another serial (not the console) to attach to the expansion pins
[19:36:41] <tahsin> oh... i am not aware of that..
[19:37:25] <tahsin> <furibondox> sorry.. my expansion is just holes in it.. i am trying to get my explansion port to work
[19:37:27] <furibondox> ok now i've your kernel
[19:37:47] <furibondox> the usr0 led is blinking
[19:37:57] <furibondox> the usr1 led does not blink
[19:38:16] <tahsin> <furibondox> yes thats because USR) led is set to heartbead
[19:38:16] <furibondox> seems off
[19:38:18] <tahsin> beat*
[19:38:21] <furibondox> ok
[19:38:32] <tahsin> and USR! is set to mmc0
[19:38:35] <furibondox> now i try the pendrive on the standard usb
[19:38:39] <furibondox> ok
[19:39:07] <tahsin> you can change teh led things to your nand if you want... and its on the link i sent you before
[19:39:34] <SplasH> has anybody some experiences about image processing on the beagleboard with an usb camera?
[19:39:39] <furibondox> http://pastebin.com/m4ee67bda
[19:39:59] <furibondox> ok with this kernel the pendrive works
[19:40:12] <tahsin> yea thats strange
[19:40:26] <furibondox> now i have to understand why it doesn't with mine....
[19:40:30] <tahsin> that it didnt work with your previous one
[19:40:43] <furibondox> yes...
[19:40:46] <tahsin> well for me it dont work when you connect directly
[19:40:54] <tahsin> since i gues my flash drives are power hungry
[19:41:12] <furibondox> the pendrive is the same
[19:41:20] <furibondox> and the power source too
[19:41:23] <tahsin> yea
[19:41:29] <furibondox> only the kernel change
[19:41:35] <tahsin> yea
[19:41:47] <tahsin> where did you get your kernel image from?
[19:42:06] <furibondox> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git linux-omap-2.6
[19:42:15] <furibondox> from there
[19:42:16] <tahsin> <SplasH> did you get gapca to compile on your beagle?
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[19:43:12] <tahsin> <furibondox> hmm i never used that source
[19:43:48] <furibondox> tahsin: which sources did you used?
[19:43:58] <SplasH> I think gspca is already in the kernel. I'm use an uvc kamera
[19:44:30] <tahsin> <furibondox> the one link sent you from that had the uimage
[19:45:01] <tahsin> <splash> well check to see if you have it... since my kernel dont have it...
[19:45:33] <tahsin> <splash> if you ahve a front end then install "cheese"
[19:45:36] <furibondox> yes, but the uImage is the binary...
[19:45:43] <furibondox> i need the sources
[19:46:08] <furibondox> with the usb that works ;-)
[19:46:42] <tahsin> <furibondox> i used mkimage.. from teh deb file that i got from the link
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[19:48:05] <tahsin> <furivondox> sorry if i am not of a help there...
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[19:48:29] <furibondox> no problem...
[19:48:37] <furibondox> i try again...
[19:48:38] <furibondox> ;)
[19:48:47] <tahsin> well atleast now you know your usb works
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[19:49:04] <SplasH> yes, I have the gspca kernel modules on my beagle
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[19:49:30] <furibondox> yes...
[19:50:06] <furibondox> but it worked also with an old 2.6.28 (without sources too)
[19:50:09] <Kevin`> DesktopMa: did you get a chance to check out the igep devices?
[19:50:21] <tahsin> <SplasH>well you can upen up the program 'cheese' and see if it works
[19:50:58] <tahsin> <furibondox> yea that strange.. that it didnt work with the others
[19:51:37] <furibondox> where i can download a 2.6.29 sources for omap?
[19:52:24] <furibondox> my 2.6.29 sources are from TI PSP SDK but have a lot of problems
[19:52:44] <furibondox> because seems that are released ONLY for the EVM
[19:53:11] <SplasH> I only have a console-image a the moment on my beagle. I can get images from a camera with my own program, but only with 160x120 pixels. With a higer resolution I have a cpu load of 99%... And image processing is also very slow.
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[19:53:51] <tahsin> <furibondox> well i need the sources too which i cant find
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[19:55:11] <SplasH> I have only 80 converted frames when I convert the image from rgb to hsv (160x120 pixels, without floats)
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[19:57:32] <tahsin> <SplasH> well thats beyond me.. i cant even get my cams to work...
[19:58:38] <SplasH> hm.. I built my image with openembedded and it works ok
[20:00:06] <tahsin> i see.. well i got mine from a different place so yea.. well my cam is not UVC type so yea.. but it works natively on a linux pc
[20:00:17] <djlewis_> SplasH: I have used up to two webcams on my BB revC
[20:00:27] <tahsin> thats awesome
[20:00:44] <tahsin> mine just detects it.. but it does nothing
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[20:01:21] <SplasH> djlewis_, do you have done image processing with them?
[20:01:32] <djlewis_> gstreamer will open and display a webcam at 640x480 with 18% cpu
[20:01:50] <djlewis_> Minor work woth openCV
[20:01:54] <djlewis_> with
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[20:02:39] <djlewis_> have installed openCV and tested its supplied apps but openCV is too slow and cpu intensive
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[20:04:19] <SplasH> and i think my simple rgb to hsv conversation is also too slow.. 99% cpu load with 160x120 pixels at 70fps
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[20:07:17] <furibondox> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Linux_kernel
[20:07:30] <furibondox> I followed that link...
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[20:18:26] <torus> hi
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[20:22:43] <prpplague> sakoman: ping
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[20:39:04] <midcon1> ok.. so it appears that the ogre3d samples don't run anymore either
[20:39:21] <midcon1> on the x11-stable demo image with 1397 or 1607 version sgx-modules
[20:39:47] <midcon1> sgx version 1397 throws... "No valid X11 visual" when i try to run any of the samples
[20:40:03] <midcon1> sgx version 1607 throws... OGRE EXCEPTION(3:RenderingAPIException): Couldn't initialize EGLDisplay in EGLSupport::getGLDisplay at OgreEGLSupport.cpp (line 286)
[20:41:29] <midcon1> gles library version is libgles-omap3 - 3.00.00.06-r7.1
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[20:41:44] <_koen_> updating to 09 is on the roadmap
[20:42:09] <prpplague> _koen_: you get your package?
[20:43:41] <midcon1> how far out is 09? any idea?
[20:45:29] <midcon1> or it must have worked on older versions at least
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[20:46:45] <djlewis_> midcon1: I ran the demos back in April
[20:47:04] <djlewis_> They havent worked for me since that particular build.
[20:47:13] <midcon1> hmm
[20:48:02] <midcon1> that really sucks
[20:48:48] <midcon1> we have a freescale mx51 board in here too... i wonder where the drivers for it come from?
[20:49:01] <midcon1> i don't think we've tried it yet
[20:49:59] <_koen_> prpplague: yes, thanks!
[20:50:07] <prpplague> _koen_: good deal
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[21:07:56] <midcon1> ok.. is this 09 version of the SDK something that i would be able to get through my TI rep?
[21:08:08] <midcon1> or is it still off limits to non-employees?
[21:09:46] <bkero> :(
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[21:23:19] <midcon1> it's worth a shot =)
[21:23:24] <midcon1> and that makes it beer:30
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[21:43:45] <waazim1> hi
[21:44:10] <waazim1> i am neew to Beagle board need some help
[21:44:29] <waazim1> Rev C3
[21:44:49] <waazim1> hello
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[21:46:54] <Kevin`> hi
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[21:50:13] <waazim1> hi kevin
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[22:26:06] <wreza> hi! am new to BB ... i need some help!
[22:27:32] <wreza> help me pls....
[22:31:43] <wreza> help me pls....
[22:31:46] <wreza> help me pls....
[22:31:49] <wreza> help me pls....
[22:31:51] <wreza> hi! am new to BB ... i need some help!
[22:33:46] <wreza> helllooooooo
[22:34:01] <ojn> dude, that's so not the way to get help
[22:34:20] <ojn> asking a question is normally better
[22:34:25] <ojn> and wait PATIENTLY for an answer
[22:34:43] <wreza> thanks
[22:34:48] <wreza> for your reply
[22:35:11] <wreza> sorry dude
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[22:40:57] <djlewis_> wreza: so what is your problem?
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[22:42:57] <torus> re
[22:44:59] <wreza> djlewis : hey Thanx for the reply....I just got my BB thru mail. I had some doubts reading the online documentation for setting up BB
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[22:46:19] <djlewis_> wreza: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Beginners_guide
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[22:46:36] <djlewis_> the Beagleboard is not for the shy and timid...
[22:47:20] <djlewis_> wreza: do you have a specific question or concern?
[22:48:36] <djlewis_> why would a IRC username not show anything at all?
[22:49:02] <djlewis_> for the 'whois'
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[22:57:39] * djlewis_ is heading home, BBL....
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[23:26:39] <torus> re
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