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  • [00:55:52] <djlewis> good evening from south central USA :)
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  • [01:26:56] <superdug> Linux 2.6.29 #2 PREEMPT Sat Aug 22 16:31:58 UTC 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [01:27:07] <superdug> O.O
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  • [01:30:45] <Crofton> is anyone familiar with gpmc.h?
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  • [03:25:40] <sakoman> koen: I know you are off drinking beer, but was just reviewing the logs
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  • [03:26:42] <sakoman> I've been reading on my smartphones for about 8 years now. Look into ereader.com -- their app runs on the iphone and is pretty good
  • [03:26:52] <sakoman> as is their selection of books
  • [03:27:57] <sakoman> I started reading ebooks when I did insane amounts of travel between the US and Europe/Asia and wanted to cut down on luggage space
  • [03:28:16] <sakoman> Now I find it hard to decide to read a book that doesn't come in e-form!
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  • [03:30:15] <ds2> you need a book scanner!
  • [03:35:40] <_koen_> sakoman: I looked at the ereader app on the iphone and I keep fearing the screen would be too small
  • [03:35:50] <raster> BOO!
  • [03:35:56] <_koen_> hey raster
  • [03:36:01] <raster> yo yo
  • [03:36:07] <sakoman> _koen_: I don't find it to be an issue at all
  • [03:36:24] <raster> feckin textures dont show up.. and no idea what i've done wrong. big grrrr
  • [03:36:30] <sakoman> Even my old Treo screen was fine
  • [03:36:33] <raster> need to vent
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  • [03:42:12] <_koen_> raster: I asked our sgx guru and he says texture2image should be support by sgx, but he wasn't sure about the api
  • [03:42:33] <raster> the point is the api being supported :)
  • [03:42:49] <raster> as such as long as u have the ability to have linear textures
  • [03:43:00] <raster> (ie same format as u find pixels in the framebuffer)
  • [03:43:21] <raster> and you can allow read/write access to those textures to the cpu or other hardware units... then you're set
  • [03:43:29] <raster> the point is the api. :)
  • [03:43:58] <_koen_> I will asked our sgx sdk guru tomorrow
  • [03:44:58] <raster> if u dont have it... i'd be putting it high on a todo list. anyone wanting to use omap3 for anything that runs x11 and ever wans to do any interesting compositing
  • [03:45:15] <raster> (eg zoom windows in and out as they appear - wobble, slide, rotate them etc.) will NEED that.
  • [03:45:48] <raster> i know for a fact that customers are placing it as hard requirements for using arm soc's for netbook and netbook-like devices
  • [03:45:58] <raster> so if they arent already asking for it.. they will be :)
  • [03:46:38] <_koen_> I know, I know
  • [03:46:53] <ds2> hmmmmm
  • [03:47:08] <sakoman> _koen_: so how do you like Texas?
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  • [03:47:26] <sakoman> first time?
  • [03:47:41] <_koen_> sakoman: first time and I haven't been out much
  • [03:47:54] <_koen_> the bbq place for lunch was nice
  • [03:48:17] <ds2> _koen_: when are you leaving?
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  • [03:49:10] <_koen_> ds2: on sunday I go to germantown MD and on the thursday after that back to .nl
  • [03:50:05] <sakoman> _koen_: wasn't there supposed to be a southern CA visit sometime this fal?
  • [03:50:14] <ds2> _koen_: so you got saturday to explore TX
  • [03:51:02] <_koen_> sakoman: yes, but CA and houston got scrapped to keep my sanity, visiting dallas, houston, german and st. barbare in 2 week was a bit much
  • [03:51:12] <_koen_> ds2: correct!
  • [03:51:29] <ds2> _koen_: made plans?
  • [03:51:32] <_koen_> nope
  • [03:51:43] <sakoman> _koen_: sounds like a good decision
  • [03:51:59] <_koen_> I do know the bartender today was a bit too generous, so I'm going to pass out now
  • [03:52:06] <_koen_> later all
  • [03:52:10] <sakoman> sleep well :-)
  • [03:53:08] <_koen_> I will :)
  • [03:53:15] <ds2> later
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  • [04:04:18] <denix> _koen_: hey, missed you in TX by couple of days...
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  • [06:15:49] <shiaz> hii
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  • [06:33:19] <ds2> hey russ
  • [06:33:32] <russ> hey ds2
  • [06:33:39] <ds2> you are back!
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  • [06:35:33] <russ> not really, I've had too many work related things taking over my life lately
  • [06:35:48] <ds2> what are you doing thesedays?
  • [06:38:32] <russ> trying to get my thesis rolling and trying to get caught up on two separate programs at work
  • [06:39:56] <russ> The work GDC4S has done thus far on ground soldier ensembles upsets me greatly, but their isn't much I can do about it
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  • [06:42:35] <av500> upset how?
  • [06:42:38] <russ> original hardware (land warrior) was ARM based, but the new stuff is atom based. Bigger, heavier, uses more power, and isn't appreciably faster than a 6 year old arm system
  • [06:43:11] <av500> but you can run office on it :-)
  • [06:43:33] <russ> that was their original thinking, the wan't to move the program over to .net and xp embedded
  • [06:44:27] <russ> nevermind, the xscale 80200@733MHz is actually more than 9 years old
  • [06:46:31] <ds2> thesis? thought you did that a few months ago?
  • [06:46:45] <russ> no, that was for a class
  • [06:48:22] <russ> I really enjoy working with real hardware an systems rather than doing research
  • [06:49:35] <ds2> things that connect to reality is always a good thing
  • [06:49:38] <russ> my car (2009 hyundai sonata) has navigation system that runs a custom app on ce
  • [06:49:57] <russ> I'm really itching to crack that thing open and get linux and maybe even android on it
  • [06:50:12] <ds2> sounds fun
  • [06:51:12] <russ> I foresee several paid navigation apps for android (tomtom, telenav, etc)
  • [06:51:56] <russ> plus then I could actually get bluetooth, a feature strangely missing
  • [06:52:07] <ds2> I donno about android
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  • [06:52:25] <ds2> the interface is annoying at best
  • [06:52:38] <av500> which interface?
  • [06:52:48] <ds2> the Android UI
  • [06:53:09] <russ> the API or the look and feel
  • [06:53:18] <ds2> the look and feel
  • [06:53:39] <ds2> all that flicking around is irritating
  • [06:53:44] <av500> turn it off
  • [06:54:06] <russ> flicking, not flickering
  • [06:54:18] <russ> scrolling lists, switching virtual desktops, etc
  • [06:54:26] <ds2> av500: there are other better UI's
  • [06:54:37] <av500> ds2: there always are...
  • [06:54:43] <ds2> right now I find matchbox's default stuff more usable then Android
  • [06:54:57] <av500> on a scale device?
  • [06:55:14] <ds2> scale device??
  • [06:55:21] <av500> same form factor
  • [06:55:31] <ds2> yes, same LCD
  • [06:55:38] <av500> and ts?
  • [06:55:43] <ds2> I am using my Beagle LCD to compare things
  • [06:55:48] <ds2> identical LCD and TS
  • [06:56:25] <av500> like this: http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html
  • [06:56:30] <russ> my judgement on android will be if it sucks less this time next year
  • [06:56:56] <av500> I dont see the android UI as much "sucky"...
  • [06:57:08] <ds2> av500: I have mine setup for landscape
  • [06:57:21] <av500> ds2: show some screenshots
  • [06:57:22] <ds2> maybe eclaire might be better
  • [06:57:44] <ds2> let me find it
  • [06:57:50] * av500 wont allow a phone UI to have a little "x" in the top right corner...
  • [06:57:53] <russ> I do agree with ds2 that there is way too much finger dragging involved
  • [06:57:54] <av500> ever
  • [06:58:54] <ds2> av500: I'll grab them tomorrow
  • [06:58:58] <av500> thx
  • [06:59:19] <ds2> av500: for the Android version, you can grab stills my youtube thingie
  • [06:59:41] <av500> ds2: I have a G1 and our own device with android :-)
  • [06:59:43] <ds2> but for now, I need to sleep... got stuff early
  • [06:59:54] <ds2> av500: oh right, you are well Android-ified
  • [07:00:03] <av500> yep, a tru fanboi
  • [07:00:15] <ds2> if Android could do a voice UI, it could change things
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  • [07:00:38] <av500> there is some voice recog in cupcake
  • [07:00:39] <russ> ds2, you don't know chris larson, do you (works at montavista phoenix)
  • [07:00:55] <russ> av500, its not really voice recognition, it records voice and sends it to google
  • [07:01:18] <raster> AAAAAARG!
  • [07:01:23] * av500 imagine a row of ladies at google that listen to that all day :-)
  • [07:01:27] * raster murders closed gl libs
  • [07:01:38] * av500 hands raster some shrimps
  • [07:01:49] <raster> shrimps dont help! :)
  • [07:01:55] * av500 hands raster some XXXX
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  • [07:02:14] <raster> that comes from queensland. its horrible.
  • [07:02:27] <av500> it makes the other pain feel less :)
  • [07:02:30] * raster hands av50 a james squire
  • [07:02:56] <raster> a gl function returns an error in a condition is is not documented to ever return an error in
  • [07:03:10] * av500 will look for james squire at local beer shop that has every beer...
  • [07:03:12] <raster> and there is no way to find out fuckign why... because its a freckin closed binary blob!
  • [07:03:27] <raster> arrrrgh!
  • [07:03:28] <av500> raster: thats why ppl invented objdump, no?
  • [07:03:34] <russ> opengl es?
  • [07:03:39] <raster> russ: either.
  • [07:03:44] <raster> gles or gl
  • [07:03:46] <av500> raster: what platform?
  • [07:04:00] <raster> glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D);
  • [07:04:18] <ds2> russ: I have spoken with him before back when i was there
  • [07:04:23] <raster> ... glGetError() reutrns GL_INVALID_ENUM
  • [07:04:27] <raster> thats just plain wrong
  • [07:04:31] <raster> it is a valid enum for that call
  • [07:04:32] <russ> ds2, worked with him on land warrior for a while
  • [07:04:51] <ds2> http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html
  • [07:05:03] <raster> av500: well on nvidia gl libs - either ontop of them directly or on top of the imgtec gles sdk - same result... but.. WHY!
  • [07:05:17] <ds2> oops
  • [07:05:24] <russ> raster, can you run it through valgrind to check for corruption?
  • [07:06:27] <raster> russ: valgrind is happy. its consitent too - ever call to glenable texture_2s results in the same
  • [07:06:35] <raster> and i know of no reason that should fail
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  • [07:09:31] <russ> mesa checks a call to enable_texture(ctx, state, TEXTURE_2D_BIT)
  • [07:09:34] <russ> but does not return error on failure
  • [07:09:40] <russ> maybe nvidia does something similar, except the error handling code for glEnable always returns GL_INVALID_ENUM?
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  • [07:12:07] <raster> no
  • [07:12:25] <raster> it doesnt error for
  • [07:12:26] <raster> glEnable(GL_DITHER);
  • [07:12:28] <raster> for example
  • [07:12:32] <raster> glEnable(GL_BLEND);
  • [07:12:33] <raster> is fine
  • [07:13:08] <russ> right, but mesa, those don't call enable_texture
  • [07:13:32] <russ> they just flush vertices and set flags
  • [07:13:42] <raster> sure
  • [07:13:51] <raster> but why would such a call ever error?
  • [07:14:10] <russ> what about GL_TEXTURE_1D, GL_TEXTURE_3D, GL_TEXTURE_CUBE_MAP_ARB, etc
  • [07:14:36] <russ> if (!ctx->DrawBuffer->Visual.rgbMode || texUnit->Enabled == newenabled)
  • [07:14:44] <russ> I assume you are on an rgb visual
  • [07:14:59] <russ> and you have a texture unit
  • [07:14:59] <raster> yeah :) thats not an issue :)
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  • [07:15:06] <raster> definitely have texture units
  • [07:15:19] <raster> only reason this coudl fail i can think of is that texturing is not possible
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  • [07:21:49] <russ> do any of the other texture enums fail?
  • [07:27:26] <raster> num
  • [07:27:32] <raster> oh wait sorry
  • [07:27:57] <raster> can't test as using gles headers atm
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  • [07:31:29] <russ> hmmm...actually enable_texture just returns gl_true or gl_false if a change happens
  • [07:32:22] <raster> and if no change happens it could then be setting invalid enum as error?
  • [07:32:32] <russ> nope
  • [07:32:49] <russ> I just figured if it returned false, the function was short circuiting
  • [07:32:57] <russ> but I spoke too soon
  • [07:33:02] <raster> sure - do nothing
  • [07:33:02] <raster> :)
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  • [07:40:44] <russ> you are using 0x0de1, right?
  • [07:41:16] <russ> and what is PROXY_TEXTURE_2D (0x8064)?
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  • [07:43:53] <raster> yup
  • [07:43:55] <raster> checked that too
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  • [07:44:05] <raster> its 0xde1 when glenable is called
  • [07:44:24] <raster> havent used PROXY_TEXTURE_2D
  • [07:44:42] <raster> not a valid feature of gles2 (so i'm sticking clear of it)
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  • [07:50:35] <hrw> morning
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  • [07:52:34] <raster> russ: its totally bizarre
  • [07:52:37] <raster> thats for sure
  • [07:53:08] <russ> are you sure its not something really bad, like a symbol mismatch, eg, you aren't really calling glEnable?
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  • [07:56:13] <raster> that would be hard to imagine as it couldne set the glerror state if it was a duped sumbol in my own code
  • [07:56:17] <raster> (and be calling that)
  • [07:56:50] <russ> I don't know about nvidia, but in mesa, the codepaths involve jump tables
  • [07:58:41] <raster> well that'd be internal to the lib - a static
  • [07:58:50] <raster> shouldnt be an accessible (thus overridable) symbol?
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  • [07:59:49] <russ> dunno, I'm just making random guesses
  • [08:00:30] <raster> :)
  • [08:00:39] <raster> wonderful that things have come to that!
  • [08:00:50] <raster> (making random guesses)
  • [08:02:44] <russ> would gltrace do anything useful?
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  • [08:03:18] <raster> nah - nvidia strips their libs of symbols entirely
  • [08:03:34] <raster> theres nothng to find out once it goes inside
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  • [08:44:04] <das_steb> I have a question about the schematic, especially the power consumption messure, if s.o. can help.
  • [08:44:19] <das_steb> sorry, Hi There (first)
  • [08:46:02] <das_steb> ok, it's already done :-)
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  • [09:51:05] <DesktopMa> hmm is there a way to identify the abi of a running arm linux os?
  • [09:51:54] <hrw> DesktopMa: "file /usr/bin/something" for start
  • [09:53:03] <hrw> true.coreutils: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped
  • [09:53:10] <hrw> this is eabi binary
  • [09:54:49] <hrw> hmm. I do not have oabi bins..
  • [09:55:35] <DesktopMa> /usr/bin/lynx.stable: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
  • [09:55:39] <hrw> nano: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
  • [09:55:42] <hrw> thats oabi
  • [09:55:56] <hrw> DesktopMa: eabi started with 2.6.16 so your lynx is oabi too
  • [09:56:04] <DesktopMa> ah I see
  • [09:56:15] <DesktopMa> kernel is 2.6.21 though
  • [09:57:52] <hrw> 2.6.21 can run eabi or oabi anyway
  • [09:58:47] <DesktopMa> jright
  • [09:58:49] <DesktopMa> right
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  • [11:37:05] <mru> morning _koen_
  • [11:38:29] <_koen_> hey mru
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  • [11:40:17] <hrw> koen: ello
  • [11:40:56] <_koen_> hey hrw
  • [11:41:17] <hrw> koen: binutils 2.19 and gcc 4.3.0 are in 2008 feeds
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  • [11:50:06] <tasslehoff> I want to compile the kernel without fbcon. I did it before in a hackish way, but now I'm trying to build up my own image, and I need a clean and everlasting solution :)
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  • [11:54:33] <av500> tasslehoff: submit a patch to LKML to get it removed forever :-)
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  • [11:56:38] <tasslehoff> av500, and if I settle for something less than everlasting for now? :)
  • [11:58:05] <av500> oe?
  • [11:58:34] <tasslehoff> av500, yes.
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  • [11:58:51] <av500> in oe there is a way to have some "local" changes that are outside of the official tree
  • [11:59:09] <av500> but I have no idea about how oe woerks...
  • [11:59:33] <tasslehoff> av500, ok. I'll take this question to #oe then
  • [11:59:35] * av500 is not clever enuf for that ....
  • [12:00:14] <av500> tasslehoff: mention koen sent you...
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  • [12:03:38] <tasslehoff> av500, to add weight to my words?
  • [12:07:37] <DesktopMa> hmm what would trigger a "no such file or directory" when trying to run a binary?
  • [12:08:41] <av500> trying to run x86 on arm...
  • [12:08:56] <DesktopMa> pretty sure that's not it :P
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  • [12:09:29] <DesktopMa> *checks*
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  • [12:36:00] <DesktopMa> http://pastebin.ca/1597805
  • [12:36:01] <DesktopMa> urr.
  • [12:36:57] <_koen_2> DesktopMa: chmod +x server_bin
  • [12:37:13] <DesktopMa> already done
  • [12:37:16] <DesktopMa> which is why it's weird
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  • [12:40:17] <mru> DesktopMa: what does "readelf -l server_bin" say?
  • [12:41:06] <DesktopMa> http://pastebin.ca/1597834
  • [12:42:17] <mru> does /lib/ld-linux.so.3 exist?
  • [12:42:47] <DesktopMa> no. that's probably it? the, err, runtime linker is missing? (guess)
  • [12:43:52] <mru> are you trying to run a glibc-linked app on a uclibc system?
  • [12:44:22] <DesktopMa> how do I know if it's uclibc, it was preinstalled
  • [12:45:32] <mru> do you have /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0?
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  • [12:45:51] <DesktopMa> no I have ld-linux.so.2
  • [12:46:04] <mru> ah, you have an older version of glibc then
  • [12:46:07] <DesktopMa> right
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  • [13:02:45] <DesktopMa> hmm this is getting weirder. ldd sever_bin works if it doesn't have execute rights
  • [13:02:55] <DesktopMa> but the moment it does it says No such file or directory
  • [13:03:20] <mru> same reason
  • [13:03:56] <DesktopMa> I added the linker though and the libs with rpath and --dynamic-linker
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  • [13:04:33] <mru> you must build the app against the same glibc version as on the target system or an older one
  • [13:04:57] <mru> but not too much older
  • [13:08:11] <DesktopMa> shouldn't it find ld-linux.so.3 if I supply the rpath and dynamic-linker options?
  • [13:09:07] <mru> don't mess with those things
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  • [13:26:02] <midcon1> does egl work with no window system?
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  • [16:09:46] <prpplague> jeeze sparkfun is almost already soldout of beagles
  • [16:10:05] <Crofton> cool
  • [16:10:10] <Crofton> how many did they order
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  • [16:11:10] <prpplague> Crofton: not 100% how many, but i had heard it was over 100 units
  • [16:11:31] <Crofton> not bad
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  • [16:11:51] <Crofton> they are selling he zippy?
  • [16:11:56] <prpplague> no
  • [16:12:00] <Crofton> ah
  • [16:12:14] <Crofton> can you boot from the sd card on the zippy?
  • [16:12:50] <prpplague> Crofton: uh no i don't believe you can, i'd have to double check, first time someone asked that
  • [16:13:25] <Crofton> I suspect you would need to load u-bott from nand or something like that
  • [16:13:39] <Crofton> maybe this "kexec" thing I have heard of
  • [16:14:06] <Crofton> _koen_, you had mentioned booting from an aux sd card?
  • [16:14:31] <prpplague> Crofton: well the omap3 does support booting from the MMC2, but the beagle sys_boot config isn't set for that
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  • [16:15:08] <prpplague> Crofton: the other item is iirc, the MMC2 has to be in the mode4
  • [16:15:54] <Crofton> cool
  • [16:16:09] <prpplague> Crofton: yea just checked, the MMC2 has to be in mode0 and the zippy uses in a different mode
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  • [16:16:16] <mru> I don't think boot rom will load from mmc2
  • [16:16:31] <mru> you could probably get x-loader to do so
  • [16:16:35] <Crofton> I think kexec boot can boot from nand, then reboot from something else
  • [16:16:42] <Crofton> need to chat with koen
  • [16:16:49] <prpplague> mru: not with the sys_boot configured as it is on the beagle, i have two other omap3 boards that do boot from MMC2
  • [16:17:18] <Crofton> thanks guys!
  • [16:17:23] <mru> prpplague: but then they can't boot from mmc1?
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  • [16:18:52] <prpplague> mru: they can still boot from mmc1, it just has a different boot order
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  • [16:20:51] <prpplague> mru: it would have been nice if the sys_boot pins were configurable with jumpers or a dipswitch on the beagle
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  • [16:47:14] <hrw> Crofton|work: easier can be put uboot and kernel in nand and boot to mmc2 rootfs
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  • [16:50:54] <Crofton> hrw thanks
  • [16:51:02] <khilman> dumb u-boot q: how to build u-boot from src with usbtty enabled?
  • [16:51:16] <khilman> seems out of box config doesn't enable it
  • [16:51:29] <Crofton> trying to figure out how to make device from an overo that has a full size sd card root
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  • [16:55:19] <dirk2> khilman: I think usbtty support is not in U-Boot mainline? You have to apply Tom's patches http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-September/061676.html Not sure, though.
  • [16:56:37] <dirk2> khilman: and then patch 6/8 enables it for Beagle: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-September/061682.html
  • [16:56:47] <khilman> is that what's in the omap3-usb-dev branch of git://gitorious.org/u-boot-omap3/mainline.git u-boot-omap3
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  • [16:57:02] <dirk2> khilman: No, I don't think so.
  • [16:57:09] <khilman> k
  • [16:57:24] <dirk2> khilman: omap3-usb-dev is an old version
  • [16:58:45] <khilman> dirk2: ok, thx
  • [16:59:09] <dirk2> khilman: If you play with these patches, would be nice to get a comment if you like them, then. I think there was no comment on the mailing list, and nothing happened with them, yet
  • [16:59:25] <jkridner|work> i thought it was applied mainline, but that you had to enable the environment vars to get it going.
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  • [16:59:56] * dirk2 checks
  • [16:59:57] * jkridner|work hasn't built the mainline code in a while.
  • [17:00:00] <khilman> k, I'm getting really tired of using an mmc card everytime I need to try a new kernel, so I'm looking for something faster
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  • [17:00:18] <khilman> and kernel over uart at 115200 doesn't count
  • [17:00:31] * dirk2 don't think anything from Mon Sep 28 is already in mainline
  • [17:00:58] <jkridner|work> guess you don't want to use the fork that is shipped with the boards. understand that.
  • [17:02:48] <khilman> jkridner|work: does the fork shipped with the boards work? I'm willing to try that
  • [17:03:13] <khilman> I stopped using it awhile back because it was leaving some HW blocks in a strange state so PM didn't work
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  • [17:03:55] <khilman> where do I find that version?
  • [17:03:57] <jkridner|work> khilman: it works with the Angstrom patches. I haven't tested it against linux-omap. http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [17:04:29] <khilman> thx
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  • [17:18:10] <khilman> jkridner|work: normal.scr looks corrupted there
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  • [17:27:50] <djlewis_> gm all...
  • [17:27:56] <mru> morning djlewis_
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  • [17:30:54] <dirk2> khilman: Have a look to your inbox, good luck
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  • [17:34:52] <khilman> dirk2: did you build a u-boot mainline + tom's patches?
  • [17:35:08] <dirk2> khilman: u-boot-ti +tom's patches
  • [17:35:16] <dirk2> khilman: do you want mainline?
  • [17:35:24] <khilman> no, just curious
  • [17:35:56] <khilman> can you resend patches as tarball or mbox? the attachments you send are squashed together and difficult to separate
  • [17:36:29] <dirk2> sure, one moment
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  • [17:38:47] <dirk2> khilman: sent
  • [17:40:16] <jkridner|work> khilman: why do you say that normal.scr is corrupt?
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  • [17:40:49] <khilman> jkridner|work: I was expecting an ascii file
  • [17:40:58] <khilman> but I probably don't understand that script format
  • [17:42:16] <dirk2> khilman: u-boot mainline + tom's patches builds ok, too
  • [17:42:39] <khilman> dirk2: ok, thx will give a try shortly
  • [17:42:51] <khilman> your binary boots and I can see /dev/ttyACM0
  • [17:43:00] <dirk2> :)
  • [17:43:02] <khilman> now we'll see if loadb + kermit works
  • [17:43:25] * dirk2 has no idea if it should ;)
  • [17:48:50] <khilman> it doesn't
  • [17:51:34] <dirk2> hmm, sounds like we should ask Tom then
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  • [17:55:23] <khilman> dirk2: still haven't seen your 2nd mail
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  • [17:57:26] <dirk2> sent again
  • [17:58:35] <khilman> k, now I see it twice :) thx
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  • [18:07:22] <khilman> dirk2: did you make any changes to the config to enable usbtty?
  • [18:07:38] <khilman> I can apply patches an rebuild, but it doesn't come up with usbtty enabled
  • [18:10:26] <denix0> khilman: pong
  • [18:10:54] <khilman> denix0: nm, figured out my issue
  • [18:11:56] <denix0> khilman: ok :)
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  • [18:12:33] <dirk2> khilman: no, no changes. Have a look to include/configs/omap3_beagle.h
  • [18:12:43] <dirk2> khilman: there, usbtty should be enabled
  • [18:13:04] <khilman> yeah, saw that. I can't figure out why it doesn't come up then
  • [18:13:54] <dirk2> Then, I just did 'make omap3_beagle_config; make'
  • [18:13:55] * _koen_ spots khilman
  • [18:14:31] <khilman> k, that's what I did too
  • [18:14:44] * khilman tries again with 'make clean' first :/
  • [18:15:27] * dirk2 often does 'make distclean'
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  • [18:15:52] * khilman tries
  • [18:15:53] <_koen_> khilman: note that usbtty in uboot is know to break musb in linux
  • [18:15:59] <_koen_> known*
  • [18:16:08] <khilman> doh
  • [18:17:01] <khilman> I'm wanting to move to beagle for my main PM dev platform, but I *really* dislike the manual copying/inserting of MMC required
  • [18:17:18] <_koen_> that was a few months ago, so it might have improved
  • [18:17:19] <khilman> when I'm trying *many* kernels a day, this is a showstopper
  • [18:17:39] * _koen_ usually SCPs stuff over to the beagle
  • [18:17:44] <_koen_> provided usb works :)
  • [18:17:49] * mru uses rsync
  • [18:17:52] <mru> faster than scp
  • [18:18:04] <khilman> and neither work when you're working on PM dev kernels
  • [18:18:24] <mru> with a crashed kernel, no...
  • [18:18:38] <khilman> or broken USB PM support
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  • [18:21:43] <khilman> Re: musb in linux, at least in PM branch, we now do a full reset of the OTG block, so it would be strange if usbtty can still break musb
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  • [18:25:10] <Tom-u-boot> checking to see if any help can be given on usbtty setup on beagle
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  • [18:29:53] <dirk2> Tom-u-boot: hi, thanks for helping!
  • [18:30:46] <dirk2> Tom-u-boot: Should loadb + kermit work with your U-Boot USB patches?
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  • [18:31:50] <Tom-u-boot> Errrr
  • [18:32:15] <Tom-u-boot> I don't know. I tested with just the console
  • [18:32:45] <dirk2> khilman: console works, no?
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  • [18:33:26] <Tom-u-boot> it is not a default setting.. the enviroment needs to setup
  • [18:33:40] <Tom-u-boot> to point stdin and stdout to usbtty
  • [18:34:12] <Tom-u-boot> without doing this all you will see is the usb config
  • [18:35:09] <khilman> Tom-u-boot: so 'setenv stdin serial,usbtty' wont work
  • [18:35:11] * dirk2 thinks Tom-u-boot talks about 'setenv stdout usbtty,serial; setenv stdin usbtty,serial; setenv stderr usbtty,serial; saveenv' (copied from http://elinux.org/U-boot_musb_gadget_support)
  • [18:35:33] <Tom-u-boot> no, it needs to be
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  • [18:36:04] <Tom-u-boot> setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; (optionally) saveenv
  • [18:36:21] <Tom-u-boot> the serial,usbtty doesn't work
  • [18:38:52] <khilman> is 'setenv usbtty cdc_acm' still required?
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  • [18:39:37] <Tom-u-boot> that was added to the extravariables in the config, so no you do not have to do that
  • [18:39:57] <khilman> k
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  • [18:40:30] <khilman> after the setenv *, still no /dev/ttyACM* on my host
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  • [18:41:00] <khilman> was seeing this with the older usbtty support
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  • [18:41:16] <Tom-u-boot> lsusb show anything ?
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  • [18:42:02] <hrw> re
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  • [18:44:02] <khilman> fwiw, I'm trying the new patches because loadb+kermit over usbtty on the older version doesn't work
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  • [18:47:14] <Tom-u-boot> are you powering from the usb or the ac ?
  • [18:47:15] <khilman> hmm, lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 100: ID 0451:a4a7 Texas Instruments, Inc.
  • [18:47:26] <Tom-u-boot> Sweeeeet
  • [18:47:36] <khilman> which matches the values I saw in the beagle config.h
  • [18:47:46] <khilman> powering from usb
  • [18:48:18] <Tom-u-boot> you are seeing the correct config, so its not a power thing
  • [18:48:37] <prpplague> khilman: usb support for ubootv2 was next on my list for tinkering with
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  • [18:49:49] <Martyn1> what would you all recommend for a beagleboard-based PCB that has ethernet?
  • [18:50:00] <Martyn1> I know there are some beagleboard based designs out there...
  • [18:50:08] <khilman> Tom-u-boot: console is working, something was wrong with my laptops usb (noticed that lsusb was hanging)
  • [18:50:08] <prpplague> Martyn1: beagleboard+zippy :)
  • [18:50:26] <khilman> tried a different host and I see /dev/ttyACM0 and can use minicom to it
  • [18:50:28] * _koen_ loves his zippy boards
  • [18:50:59] <khilman> now for the grand test: loadb + kermit over usbtty
  • [18:51:07] <Tom-u-boot> crossing fingers
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  • [18:51:54] <Martyn1> Is Zippy as integrated a design as is available now?
  • [18:52:11] <Martyn1> No single-board solutions that take the beagle design and expand it to just add ethernet?
  • [18:52:23] <_av500_> prpplague: you heard back from ze french?
  • [18:52:29] <prpplague> _av500_: negative
  • [18:52:33] <_av500_> damn
  • [18:52:39] <Martyn1> (not that I mind, but for what I'm building the mechanical stresses are high enough that a two-board solution -might- shake loose)
  • [18:53:06] <Martyn1> rockets aren't known for being gentle :)
  • [18:53:08] <_av500_> Martyn1: lunar x price?
  • [18:53:10] <khilman> Tom-u-boot: nope
  • [18:53:16] <prpplague> Martyn1: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Zippy
  • [18:53:23] <Martyn1> _av500_: Something along those lines.
  • [18:53:36] <prpplague> Martyn1: they mount together with some standard 4/40 hardware
  • [18:53:51] <_av500_> and there is always hot glue....
  • [18:54:01] <prpplague> Martyn1: they aren't coming apart
  • [18:54:03] <Martyn1> hot glue shatters under the loads :_)
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  • [18:54:17] <_av500_> but i wonder where you plug ethernet in a rocket....
  • [18:54:23] <Martyn1> prplague : No, but the -connectors- aren't rated for the kind of shaking .. still might work though
  • [18:54:39] <Martyn1> I'd just have to desolder them and replace the connectors with permanent ribbon cable soldered into place
  • [18:54:48] <_av500_> I doubt the BB is rated for that
  • [18:54:53] <khilman> hmm, does beagle u-boot support the eth on zippy?
  • [18:54:55] <Tom-u-boot> khilman, send me a log.
  • [18:55:03] <prpplague> khilman: not as of yet
  • [18:55:12] <prpplague> khilman: it's on my "todo" list
  • [18:55:18] <_av500_> that would make me order one :)
  • [18:55:25] <Martyn1> _av500_: Might not be rated for it .. (very few boards are) .. but I found that encasing a beagleboard in epoxy resin does the trick nicely.
  • [18:55:46] <Martyn1> _av500_: Adds a little weight, but makes the beagleboard practically shakeproof
  • [18:55:49] <_av500_> Martyn1: add zippy and more resin
  • [18:56:12] <_av500_> resin' hell
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  • [18:56:24] <prpplague> Martyn1: there are other omap3 boards with ethernet, however the cost is going to be much higher than a beagle+zippy
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  • [18:56:35] <Martyn1> prpplague: I do u-boot development, and will happily volunteer to put in the support...
  • [18:56:42] <Martyn1> prpplague: Yep.
  • [18:57:16] <khilman> Tom-u-boot: nothing to show really, kermit just times out trying to send over /dev/ttyACM0
  • [18:57:49] <khilman> and it works fine when sending over the "real" UART connection
  • [18:58:05] <Tom-u-boot> oh man...
  • [18:58:21] <khilman> bascially, I'm just doing a 'loadb' at the u-boot prompt, then going back to kermit and doing a 'send <filename>' and kermit just times out
  • [18:58:41] <prpplague> u-boot already has enc28j60 support, just need to enable the spi and such for the omap3
  • [18:59:14] <Tom-u-boot> ok i will give that a try
  • [18:59:37] <Martyn1> Ordering a zippy now
  • [18:59:44] <prpplague> Martyn1: dandy
  • [18:59:58] <Martyn1> prpplague: You produce them?
  • [19:00:26] <prpplague> Martyn1: sort of, partnership deal, tincantools produces them, i did most of the design work
  • [19:01:08] <khilman> Tom-u-boot: bascially, looking to load a kernel this way. need something faster than UART or manual mount/copy/unmount/insert MMC method
  • [19:01:30] <Martyn1> prpplague : I know how that works :)
  • [19:01:36] <Martyn1> http://www.igotu.com/hackthebadge
  • [19:01:43] <Martyn1> I have to do it all myself .. ever so not fun
  • [19:01:52] <Martyn1> I need a partner to sell my boards :) Looking at SparkFun and others now
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  • [19:03:21] <khilman> prpplague: what are your plans for eth support for zippy? looks like I might need to order a zippy too
  • [19:03:55] <_av500_> everybody needs to order one!
  • [19:04:07] <prpplague> khilman: plans in what way?
  • [19:04:23] <prpplague> khilman: it's fully supported now in the OE-dev builds
  • [19:04:48] <khilman> I mean u-boot being able to tftp a kernel
  • [19:05:08] <prpplague> khilman: ahh, it's on my todo list to look at later this week
  • [19:05:19] <prpplague> khilman: i was surprised at the number of requests for it
  • [19:05:36] <_av500_> prpplague: it brings the BB to evm level :)
  • [19:06:04] <_av500_> all that ppl do on evm is tftp boot :)
  • [19:06:17] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh dandy
  • [19:06:27] * prpplague makes a note to look at it sooner
  • [19:06:56] <Martyn1> I could use it as well... same reason
  • [19:07:10] <Martyn1> I boot a new kernel every ~15-20 minutes at times
  • [19:07:24] <_av500_> Martyn1: same here ;)
  • [19:07:45] <Martyn1> Being a kernel dev really makes live interesting, eh?
  • [19:07:53] <prpplague> indeed
  • [19:08:15] * _av500_ is not kernel dev, i make it cry
  • [19:10:17] <_av500_> jkridner|work: thx for the link, we'll fix that in next release...
  • [19:12:41] <joeR> hi gang, I'm trying to put together a Angstrom SD card, and it seems like I can't get the video to work properly to use the full resolution of my display.
  • [19:13:28] <joeR> Looking at the boot log I see: Unknown boot option `omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-16@60': ignoring
  • [19:14:32] <_koen_> using a 2.6.29 kernel?
  • [19:14:37] <joeR> and Unknown boot option `omapdss.def_disp=dvi': ignoring
  • [19:15:13] * dirk2 most probably will help to bring zippy U-Boot ethernet to mainline
  • [19:15:26] <joeR> Hmm this sd card is Linux version 2.6.28
  • [19:16:14] <joeR> I've tried a few, the one version I did get working the usb eth was not working.
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  • [19:21:18] <joeR> should I just use the unstable version from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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  • [19:56:42] <janneg> _koen_: just a heads up, mythtv svn recipe still builds with current rev, release in 1-2 weeks
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  • [19:57:27] <_koen_> janneg: sweeeeeet
  • [19:59:55] <prpplague> anyone doing fastboot linux on beagleboard?
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  • [20:01:12] <denix0> janneg: 0.22???
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  • [20:06:09] <_koen_> prpplague: fastboot as in the kernel option, or as in sysvinit mods?
  • [20:07:21] <prpplague> _koen_: sorry i was a little vague, basically wondering what if anyone has posted info on how fast they've been able to make the beagleboard boot up to usability
  • [20:08:39] <janneg> denix0: yes
  • [20:10:02] <denix0> janneg: wow, that's great!
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  • [20:50:31] <quadmasta> anybody around?
  • [20:50:45] <prpplague> we all left a few days ago
  • [20:50:58] <prpplague> should be back by friday
  • [20:50:59] <quadmasta> damnit
  • [20:51:04] <quadmasta> I was hoping you'd still be here ;)
  • [20:51:12] <prpplague> quadmasta: greetings
  • [20:51:24] <quadmasta> I'm trying to install libusb-dev through aptitude
  • [20:51:33] <quadmasta> I'mg etting "Package libusb-dev has no installation candidate"
  • [20:51:36] <quadmasta> what does that mean?
  • [20:52:19] <adj> more or less "i cannot find package with that name" or "there is no such package"
  • [20:53:08] <djlewis_> quadmasta: other day you asked about ps/2 to USB adapters and BB. I tested a ps/2 Y to USB with mouse and kybd and it worked fine.
  • [20:53:32] <quadmasta> I'm testting this iMo USB monitor on an Ubuntu box to see if it's remotely feasible to easily get it running on Linux before I try on the BB
  • [20:53:40] <quadmasta> but it's not letting me do it :(
  • [20:53:45] <quadmasta> djlewis_: thanks! that's good info
  • [20:55:29] <djlewis_> I believe it was packeged for IO Gear and chinese made guts.
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  • [20:58:47] <_koen_> prpplague: the tests I've seen where done with a busybox ramdisk, which I wouldn't call "usable"
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  • [20:59:32] <prpplague> _koen_: i'm guess with some hacks probably around 3-4 seconds ?
  • [20:59:52] <_koen_> that sounds about right
  • [21:00:16] <joeR> Anybody build Angstrom from scratch?
  • [21:00:25] <_koen_> I still want to try the configuration header thing and uImage in nand to see how fast the pre-userspace portion can get
  • [21:00:46] <_koen_> joeR: about 2 times every week
  • [21:00:48] <prpplague> _koen_: we'll i'll be doing some testing tomorrow
  • [21:01:38] <joeR> _koen_: Are the directions up to date from here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [21:01:48] <prpplague> _koen_: i was able to get the s3c2410 to boot from nand running at 200mhz in under 3 seconds, so i'm pretty sure i can get the omap3 somewhere close to that
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  • [21:02:33] <_koen_> joeR: they are
  • [21:03:00] <joeR> I get an error tying to bitbake: Please install following missing utilities: C++ Compiler (${BUILD_PREFIX}g++),makeinfo
  • [21:03:53] <joeR> do I need to define a BUILD_PREFIX in the config?
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  • [21:05:57] <_koen_> no
  • [21:07:00] <joeR> _koen_: I have the arm cross compiler installed, so what am I missing?
  • [21:09:29] <_koen_> you don't need to install cross compilers, angstrom build its own
  • [21:09:40] <_koen_> have you really read the document and followed the steps?
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  • [21:18:38] <quadmasta> got the monitor displaying the "everything's okay" green screen
  • [21:20:11] <quadmasta> can't get it to do anything else though
  • [21:22:34] <_koen_> on the beagle: opkg install xf86-video-displaylink and then add the displaylink stuff to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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  • [21:26:58] <quadmasta> _koen_: I don't have the beagle yet
  • [21:27:03] <quadmasta> I'm doing this on my ubuntu server
  • [21:27:46] <quadmasta> aptitude can't find that
  • [21:29:07] <quadmasta> I'm trying to follow the directions on this link
  • [21:29:08] <quadmasta> http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/xf86-driver-displaylink
  • [21:29:15] <quadmasta> but the URL to the tarball isn't working
  • [21:32:23] <quadmasta> _koen_: any ideas?
  • [21:33:18] <_koen_> quadmasta: I use this one: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/udlfb-0.2.3_and_xf86-video-displaylink-0.3.tar.gz
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  • [21:38:58] <quadmasta> awesome
  • [21:39:00] <quadmasta> that one worked
  • [21:39:22] <quadmasta> _koen_: if I already installed thedisplaylink-mod framebuffer, will that screw things up?
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  • [21:42:59] <joeR> _koen_: Ah I got it working. bitbake-ing as we speak. user error/misunderstanding.
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  • [21:44:57] <quadmasta> oh, they're separate
  • [21:44:59] <quadmasta> terriffic
  • [21:46:31] <quadmasta> crap, "No package xorg-server found"
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  • [21:48:34] <quadmasta> _koen_: any ideas on that?
  • [21:48:42] <quadmasta> I tried apt-get install xorg-dev
  • [21:48:46] <quadmasta> said it couldn't find it
  • [21:56:37] <quadmasta> damnit!
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  • [22:06:48] <quadmasta> apt won't install xserver-xorg-dev either
  • [22:06:59] <quadmasta> saying most of the dependent packages are not installable
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  • [22:31:57] <Crofton> I'm trying to use one of the gpmc_cs... function in a module, but the lilnker does not resolve the symbol during module postprocess
  • [22:32:16] <Crofton> So I guess there is a subset of functions in the kernel that modules can use?
  • [22:32:45] <Crofton> grr, bbiab
  • [22:35:11] <quadmasta> _koen_: you there?
  • [22:35:28] <quadmasta> I got the drivers built and installed, but the instructions aren't really clear on what to do to xorg.conf
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  • [22:36:26] <khilman> Crofton: you've probably seen EXPORT_SYMBOL() lying around the kernel. That is to say which functions are exported to modules
  • [22:36:34] <khilman> oops, just missed him
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  • [22:50:06] <quadmasta> *facepalm*
  • [22:50:12] <quadmasta> forgot "files" section in xorg.conf
  • [22:54:37] <superdug> how long does it usually take TI to get back to you for the SDK download?
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  • [23:00:25] <quadmasta> _koen_: thanks for the help
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  • [23:21:47] <hyc> superdug: much longer than the 1-2 business days they quote
  • [23:21:55] <hyc> took a couple weeks for me
  • [23:22:12] <hyc> and only after I sent a note to their customer relations email
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