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  • [00:53:48] <Grackle> :(
  • [00:54:33] <Grackle> The beagleboard has 3 mil traces. I'm restricted to 8. *is having a hard time routing an lcd board.
  • [01:11:08] <djlewis> ping Grackle
  • [01:11:30] <Grackle> hio djlewis
  • [01:12:03] <djlewis> hi, is your trace restriction due to manufacturing process of vendor?
  • [01:12:33] <Grackle> Yeah, I plan on using sparkfun's batchpcb.
  • [01:13:00] <djlewis> oh, is 0.1524 mm small enough?
  • [01:13:24] <djlewis> I cant think mil's :)
  • [01:13:55] <Grackle> That
  • [01:13:57] <Grackle> blarg
  • [01:14:04] <Grackle> That's not really small enough.
  • [01:14:20] <djlewis> so mil's are 100ths of mm?
  • [01:14:23] <Grackle> It's smaller, but I'd need to go to about 4 mil (that's 6) to get real benefit.
  • [01:14:48] <Grackle> No, it's a thousandth of an inch
  • [01:15:15] <Grackle> It's an annoying standard measure but a lot of things use it D:
  • [01:16:02] <djlewis> looking at this spec - Etching resolution is: 0.006" minimum trace width, 0.006" minimum space width.
  • [01:17:38] <Grackle> Well, the reason I'm having trouble is because I can't put traces between the pads of these 0.05" LCD signal headers.
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  • [01:18:15] <djlewis> you can get three of your own 3.8" x 2.5" bds for $51 + S&H
  • [01:18:29] <Grackle> Oh are you looking at expresspcb?
  • [01:18:42] <djlewis> yep, I use them
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  • [01:19:33] <Grackle> Ah. Well, they seem pretty good but I don't think they'll offer any advantage over batchpcb (apart from speed, perhaps)
  • [01:19:41] <djlewis> of course that bd is a bit large for a BB.
  • [01:19:53] <Grackle> yeah I'd have to cut it down
  • [01:19:59] <djlewis> the PCBExpress one.
  • [01:20:14] <djlewis> ExpressPCB one... arrgh
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  • [01:21:16] <Grackle> http://petezel.org/repo/data/guh.png eagle's autorouter, heh..
  • [01:22:19] <Grackle> Just trying to get *anything* to work at this point. :|
  • [01:22:46] <djlewis> Grackle: looks very promising.
  • [01:23:02] <Grackle> I think if I can get away with making the via pads smaller, I might have a better chance of making it work.
  • [01:23:38] <Grackle> See the pads on the lower left? On the BB, the traces go right between those. Now that's what I wish I could do..
  • [01:23:58] <djlewis> you planning on mylar ribbon cable between boards?
  • [01:24:48] <Grackle> Nope, plugging directly together with male/female headers (except for the LDC, which does connect using a flat cable)
  • [01:24:54] <Grackle> LCD even
  • [01:26:17] <djlewis> that will be a pair of tiny headers.
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  • [01:27:11] <djlewis> I've never used Eagle, only ExpressPCB software.
  • [01:28:15] <Grackle> Eagle is ugly and odd, but the workflow is pretty decent once you figure it out.
  • [01:28:49] <Grackle> lol paintball mask for the apple peeling test
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  • [02:33:37] <Grackle> Woo, it routes. :)
  • [02:34:08] <Grackle> I may move things around a little, but I'm happy with the progress.
  • [02:35:01] <Grackle> Oh wow, adjusting the size of pads on the vias has made everything way easier.
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  • [02:41:50] <djlewis> Grackle: i suppose the solder in the via will be enough.
  • [02:47:21] <Grackle> Yeah, it should be fine as long as the drill is aligned properly.
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  • [03:21:46] <sakoman> djlewis: did you ever resolve your SD issue?
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  • [03:25:02] <djlewis> Hi sakoman: am composing a email to transcend at the moment :(
  • [03:25:28] <sakoman> bummer
  • [03:26:03] <djlewis> I tried lots of things on two computers and I lose reliability on a desktop image.
  • [03:26:45] <djlewis> So I am down to my original two dards and I cant change them as it is pointing to the reader.
  • [03:26:50] <djlewis> cards
  • [03:27:10] <djlewis> after failing one card I rewrote a working card and it too fails now.
  • [03:27:39] <ds2> what is the problem with Transcend?
  • [03:27:48] <sakoman> I just got a Trancend card (8GB). Hope I don't run into those issues!
  • [03:28:17] <ds2> I've used a pile of them and they are all fine (many rewrites)
  • [03:29:09] <djlewis> ds2: I stuck a SDHC into my laptop and it read it so I wrote to it and it has been flakey since.
  • [03:29:26] <ds2> djlewis: what size?
  • [03:30:06] <djlewis> I never had a prob with the Transcend SDHC reader but using it now wont correct the prob. $GB
  • [03:30:10] <djlewis> 4GB
  • [03:30:22] <ds2> hmmm are these the Class 6 cards they make?
  • [03:30:37] <ds2> (partial cicle with a 6 is seen on the label)
  • [03:30:41] <djlewis> Transcend C6 reader and carda
  • [03:31:00] <ds2> that's the exact cards i been using and I have had 0 problems
  • [03:31:08] <djlewis> TS4GSDHC6
  • [03:31:23] <djlewis> ds2: have you mixed readers?
  • [03:31:40] <ds2> I've used 3 readers
  • [03:31:57] <ds2> their white one, the one that is on my laptop, and another many in one reader
  • [03:33:38] <djlewis> today I tried koen's suggestion to dd the card to flush it. that did not help.
  • [03:33:53] <ds2> what block size are you using with the dd?
  • [03:34:14] <djlewis> I then configured and built it on a diff computer using the transcend reader and that did not help.
  • [03:34:19] <ds2> (and you ARE umounting things before removing it, right?)
  • [03:35:00] <djlewis> I wait long time, I sync several times, I ls it several times, I sync more and only then after no more light blink will I remove it.
  • [03:35:24] <djlewis> yes of course I unmount :)
  • [03:35:53] <djlewis> I have done the procedure many times and I follow same process each time.
  • [03:36:10] <ds2> and how are you checking for corruption?
  • [03:36:30] <djlewis> Just this weekend card is flaky with desktop size image but not console size.
  • [03:36:54] <ds2> how are you writing the card?
  • [03:37:04] <ds2> dd or mkfs follow by a cp?
  • [03:37:10] <ds2> (or tar or etc)
  • [03:37:16] <djlewis> I test in linux with fsck, windoze with chkdsk, no errors.
  • [03:39:00] <djlewis> I fdisk the card to setup hcs then part then format with mkfs.msdos args and mkfs.ext3 args
  • [03:39:39] <ds2> about the only think I can think of then is the geometry you used is wrong
  • [03:39:45] <djlewis> I follow http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#SD_card_setup
  • [03:40:24] <djlewis> geometry: http://pastebin.com/m17eda831
  • [03:41:04] <ds2> is the card eraseable?
  • [03:41:24] <djlewis> yes, I can erase it, write it, do everything.
  • [03:41:36] <ds2> grab this info -
  • [03:41:58] <ds2> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=20
  • [03:42:03] <ds2> (assume sdb is your card)
  • [03:42:08] <ds2> wait 10 seconds.)
  • [03:42:12] <djlewis> I 'rm -rf /media/name'
  • [03:42:15] <ds2> unplug card
  • [03:42:20] <ds2> wait another 10 seconds
  • [03:42:24] <ds2> reinsert card
  • [03:42:30] <ds2> fdisk -l /dev/sdb
  • [03:42:35] <ds2> paste bin that please
  • [03:42:44] <djlewis> stby :)
  • [03:43:36] <djlewis> bubba@hppav:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=20
  • [03:43:36] <djlewis> [sudo] password for bubba:
  • [03:43:36] <djlewis> 20+0 records in
  • [03:43:36] <djlewis> 20+0 records out
  • [03:43:36] <djlewis> 10240 bytes (10 kB) copied, 0.0104862 s, 977 kB/s
  • [03:43:54] <ds2> wait, remove, wait, reinsert
  • [03:43:58] <ds2> then grab fdisk -l on it
  • [03:43:58] <djlewis> card is now coming out...
  • [03:46:13] <djlewis> ds2: http://pastebin.com/m19ce75d9
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  • [03:47:13] <ds2> yep, your partition table is AFU
  • [03:47:24] <ds2> refering to your original paste bin
  • [03:47:40] <djlewis> the last fdisk fails naturally.
  • [03:47:42] <ds2> nits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
  • [03:47:47] <ds2> don't worry about the failure
  • [03:47:59] <ds2> note that line! your partition table is telling the OS it got an 8G card
  • [03:48:17] <ds2> having an 8G sized partitiontable w/o 8G of media to back it up will cause "issues""
  • [03:48:39] <djlewis> card id inI dont see the 8GB
  • [03:48:48] <djlewis> I dont see the 8GB
  • [03:49:09] <ds2> http://pastebin.com/m17eda831
  • [03:49:13] <ds2> that is your first pastebin
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  • [03:49:22] <ds2> Look at line 3
  • [03:49:45] <djlewis> oh
  • [03:49:59] <ds2> you have a factor 2 error in your geometry
  • [03:50:11] <ds2> fix that and see if the issue goes away
  • [03:50:17] <djlewis> Oh can it be so simple :)
  • [03:50:27] <ds2> on that note, I'll be in and out; got to start dinner
  • [03:50:45] <djlewis> tnanks ds2, I'll go over it all.
  • [03:51:34] <djlewis> except that now I cant use fdisk :(
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  • [03:52:31] <djlewis> nevermind, I can too.
  • [03:52:34] <djlewis> p
  • [04:03:00] <sakoman> djlewis: I jst used fdisk to set up my trancend card and it seemed to work
  • [04:03:08] <djlewis> ds2: the units is correct: units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes - read 8MB
  • [04:03:54] <sakoman> djlewis: but didn't you say your card was 4GB?
  • [04:04:08] <djlewis> I'll still have probs sakoman as those are the right numbers
  • [04:04:42] <sakoman> those are the right numbers for an 8GB card
  • [04:04:54] <sakoman> they match what I am using for my *GB card
  • [04:04:56] <sakoman> 8
  • [04:05:03] <djlewis> (10:30:10 PM) djlewis: 4GB
  • [04:05:47] <djlewis> according to the tutorial where the author is using a 2GB card, the numbers are the same
  • [04:06:31] <sakoman> ah, right. that's what I get for listening with half an ear
  • [04:06:52] <sakoman> that is the number of bytes per cylinder - 8MB
  • [04:07:00] <djlewis> right
  • [04:07:13] <sakoman> what tutorial are you using?
  • [04:07:25] <djlewis> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat
  • [04:07:58] <djlewis> for 4GB the magic cyl is 497
  • [04:09:26] <sakoman> sounds about right, I used 992 for my 8GB card
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  • [04:11:48] <djlewis> fdisk v = 7995391 unallocated sectors
  • [04:12:38] <djlewis> sakoman: have you used any other reader other than SDHC with an SDHC card?
  • [04:14:05] <sakoman> I've just been using a SanDisk multiformat USB thingy
  • [04:14:26] <sakoman> had it for quite a while
  • [04:14:36] <djlewis> having used a known good working image on a card and redoing the card with my SDHC reader and getting failure makes me suspect the reader.
  • [04:15:02] <djlewis> but the error is above the size of a console image
  • [04:15:03] <sakoman> mine doesn't have any SDHC markings on it
  • [04:15:41] <sakoman> I'm waiting for a gnome image build to complete and then I will test it on the Trancend 8GB card
  • [04:16:00] <djlewis> I blew up my gnome image to test the reader :(
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  • [04:28:56] <ds2> djlewis: hmmmm
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  • [04:30:02] <djlewis> I just re did the hsc on the transcend reader and wrote it then took the card and placed it in the laptop reader and the values were wrong
  • [04:30:17] <djlewis> so I am setting it up on the laptop reader now.
  • [04:31:49] <djlewis> funny how I rewrite the partition table and the old files are there.
  • [04:36:34] <ds2> hmmmm
  • [04:38:03] <sakoman> sounds like the chanegs didn't get written
  • [04:38:11] <ds2> djlewis: it almost seemslike you have a cache issue
  • [04:38:12] <djlewis> using the HP card reader it is /dev/mmcblk0
  • [04:38:23] <ds2> that was what I was trying to avoid with the remove and replace
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  • [04:56:00] <ds2> any errors in dmesg?
  • [04:56:28] <djlewis> untar'ing now
  • [04:59:28] <djlewis> scrolling way back no dmesg errors
  • [05:00:24] <djlewis> waited bout 1 min after tar then sync took a few seconds.
  • [05:00:32] <djlewis> sync
  • [05:00:55] <djlewis> second sync fast response
  • [05:01:59] <djlewis> I suippose I can fsck it before putting it ito B
  • [05:02:28] <sakoman> did you umount too?
  • [05:02:37] <djlewis> not yet
  • [05:03:05] <sakoman> that is important -- syn doesn't necessarily do the job
  • [05:03:25] <raster> syncing is for whimps
  • [05:03:37] <raster> real men rely on caches to magically work.
  • [05:03:41] <raster> :)
  • [05:05:54] * ds2 hides the -o sync
  • [05:05:55] <ds2> ;)
  • [05:06:04] <raster> hehe
  • [05:06:14] <raster> seriously tho - linux has fs+sync issues
  • [05:06:20] <raster> well.. "posix" does
  • [05:06:34] <raster> and ext4 and others decide posix's brokennes is a good idea
  • [05:06:36] <raster> :)
  • [05:06:50] <djlewis> fsck says I am clean, but then it always has.
  • [05:07:04] <raster> djlewis: you are in fact a dirty dirty dirty man! :)
  • [05:07:17] <djlewis> so very true.. :)
  • [05:08:17] <djlewis> time to test for the umteenth time...
  • [05:08:37] <djlewis> but I shuld use a console that I can log with.
  • [05:08:39] <sakoman> with sd cards I just rely on umount to complete and have never had any issues
  • [05:09:19] <ds2> sakoman: you don't play with the USB stack or the SD driver much, do you? ;)
  • [05:09:39] <raster> hehehe
  • [05:09:53] <sakoman> just lucky I guess :-)
  • [05:10:31] <sakoman> and I do it at least 10 times a day, so I guess I am *very* lucky
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  • [05:11:31] <ds2> i miss NFS root
  • [05:12:56] * raster is so happy nfs is nowhere near any data he actually needs or wants
  • [05:13:28] <raster> i rememebr at uni - /usr was on nfs
  • [05:13:34] <raster> as was evertyones homedir
  • [05:13:43] <djlewis> sakoman: right after Configuring gnome-bluetooth -- mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 3640966, nr 344, card status 0xc00
  • [05:13:44] <raster> and nfs would go down... daily if not more often
  • [05:13:49] <raster> and everyone was fucked.
  • [05:14:12] <raster> tho i got to the habit of home being a tar.gz in ~/ - untarrung into /tmp - and running from there
  • [05:14:23] <raster> including all my apps (wm, terminal, shell etc.)
  • [05:14:25] <djlewis> then a long hang with fast heartbeat then I expect the errors.
  • [05:14:36] <raster> everyones nfs went down.. and i happily continued working
  • [05:14:37] <raster> :)
  • [05:15:08] <ds2> isn't /tmp tmpfs?
  • [05:15:22] <raster> on solaris 2.5 it was
  • [05:15:46] <raster> actually i used /var/tmp - which was on disk and nothing evere cleaned it up
  • [05:15:52] <raster> not even reboots.
  • [05:15:53] <ds2> Mmmmmm solaris 2.5.1
  • [05:16:01] <raster> a handy place to stash stuff the admins never saw
  • [05:16:01] <raster> :)
  • [05:16:18] <ds2> we got a large local /scratch volume
  • [05:16:22] <djlewis> yep, it crashed again.
  • [05:16:34] <raster> not so lucky for us - nothing official
  • [05:16:43] <raster> my disk quota for $HOME was... 1.5mb
  • [05:17:03] <ds2> heh... quotas
  • [05:18:03] <sakoman> djlewis: what a bummer
  • [05:18:17] <sakoman> I'm still waiting for my build to complete
  • [05:18:33] <sakoman> I hope I have better luck with my new trancend card
  • [05:19:13] <djlewis> my cards have been great. the two I have not changed this weekend boot and run fine.
  • [05:19:44] <djlewis> The other two i cant make work with a desktop image in either reader.
  • [05:19:57] <djlewis> console image is fine
  • [05:20:46] <ds2> djlewis: what does "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=1024k" do? (it shouldn't do much)
  • [05:21:07] <ds2> nix that
  • [05:21:20] <ds2> make that /dev/sdb2 not /dev/sdb
  • [05:21:49] <djlewis> this is my boot: http://pastebin.com/m335f3d96 - it is still hung and lots of processor too early for console
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  • [05:24:42] <ds2> why do you not have rootwait?
  • [05:26:18] <djlewis> what line #
  • [05:26:58] <sakoman> ds2: he does, the output just got truncated
  • [05:27:54] <ds2> ok
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  • [05:29:08] <djlewis> btw: I have played with rebooting several times and it did get into Angstrom once.
  • [05:29:17] <ds2> djlewis: your bootargs that's what I was looking at
  • [05:29:42] <djlewis> same bootargs as always. i even nan erase 260000 20000 for grins
  • [05:29:44] <ds2> I wonder if someone is screwing with the voltage regulator code
  • [05:30:24] <djlewis> this is happening with older tried and true images as well.
  • [05:30:42] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [05:31:16] <ds2> Try booting with a nand rootfs and dd'ing out the SD card to see if you sstill get the error?
  • [05:31:45] <djlewis> hmmm...
  • [05:32:49] <djlewis> if the image is already tar'd to the sd and the nand rootfs is made from it then the error could follow, no?
  • [05:33:14] <djlewis> or does it tar from sd to nand?
  • [05:33:42] <djlewis> beagle is still hung at lots of cpu..
  • [05:33:43] <ds2> no
  • [05:33:57] <ds2> if it does, then that'd suggest it is not the media
  • [05:34:35] <djlewis> I think it is too late tonight for me to learn the rootfs nand procedure.
  • [05:35:13] <djlewis> powered down BB as it was not going anywhere.
  • [05:36:05] <djlewis> ds2: http://pastebin.com/m6b4a1f78
  • [05:40:46] <djlewis> perhaps I need to test my wkstn memory...
  • [05:41:05] <djlewis> no, I used two diff computers and same results.
  • [05:41:34] <sakoman> djlewis: I'm untarring my image now
  • [05:41:35] * djlewis is showing his tired
  • [05:41:41] <sakoman> me too
  • [05:41:56] <sakoman> I think I'll start the first boot & go to sleep
  • [05:42:13] <djlewis> sakoman: so you were actually doing a bitbake? took a long time.
  • [05:42:16] <sakoman> I'm not sure I want to know if y new sd card has the same issue :-)
  • [05:42:27] <sakoman> gnome image is big :-)
  • [05:43:03] <djlewis> sakoman: relax, I am sure it is fine. I ha three working until I changes one to test the problem
  • [05:43:39] <djlewis> must be a slow reader then. Mine was fairly quick, iirc
  • [05:43:58] <sakoman> I mean the bitbake takes a long time
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  • [05:44:47] <djlewis> ok.
  • [05:45:53] <djlewis> I dont see how it could be Beagle but is that a possibility?
  • [05:46:12] <djlewis> working with existing cards but not new ones this weekend.
  • [05:46:41] <sakoman> doesn't seem to likely
  • [05:49:13] <sakoman> mine is booting now, so far so good
  • [05:49:37] <sakoman> made it past gnome-bluetooth, so I already get further than you do
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  • [05:50:50] <djlewis> interesting... I just booted BB and I get console but it wont take input and it say's gpe started but it didnt.
  • [05:51:02] <djlewis> this with working SD
  • [05:52:11] <sakoman> so the "working" sd card doesn't work either?
  • [05:52:26] <djlewis> seems that way.
  • [05:52:53] <djlewis> I hate minicom
  • [05:53:28] <sakoman> heading off to sleep. good luck djlewis!
  • [05:53:37] <djlewis> ok, after reboot I can log into console but still no display
  • [05:53:46] <djlewis> gnite sakoman rest well. :)
  • [05:53:56] <sakoman> talk to you tomorrow
  • [05:55:36] <djlewis> just my monitor had changed inpute :)
  • [05:56:34] <djlewis> ds2: i'll order another reader and card this week.
  • [05:58:37] <ds2> hmmmm
  • [05:58:51] <ds2> if you can read it, I'd think it is not the reader
  • [05:59:15] <ds2> the other possibility is somehow the voltages from the 4030 is wrong but I donno a good quick way of testing it
  • [05:59:27] <djlewis> I am assuming my laptop reader is hosing the cards even they show no error.
  • [05:59:41] <djlewis> I agree, makes no sense.
  • [06:00:03] <ds2> on a not-to-be-named OMAP family board, I was involved with a battlerelating to the voltages from the 4030
  • [06:00:09] <djlewis> these cards are spec'd to work from 2.7 - 3.3 vDC
  • [06:00:21] <ds2> the work around we finally settled on is to force things to 3.3V
  • [06:00:33] <ds2> so I am wondering if we are hitting a similar problem
  • [06:00:53] <djlewis> but I just booted a working desktop image
  • [06:01:23] <ds2> the issue I dealt with only effects certain cards and it took a while to sort out what wasgoing on
  • [06:01:41] <djlewis> one of those... :(
  • [06:02:24] <ds2> it was worse... the higher 'authorities' didn't have any ideas either
  • [06:02:44] <ds2> wonder what happens if you hack up to code to force it to stay at 3.3V
  • [06:03:04] <djlewis> if "I" hack the code, haha...
  • [06:05:29] <ds2> it is either changing the values for an array or changing the limits in one file
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  • [06:10:47] <_dash_> Anybody with framebuffer knowledge
  • [06:10:49] <_dash_> ??
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  • [06:14:37] <ds2> what is there to know? it buffers frames ;)
  • [06:19:07] <_dash_> good point that it buffers frames; But more to know is how to manage overlays
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  • [06:22:39] <ds2> have you RTFM?
  • [06:28:48] <av500> and RTFS
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  • [06:54:53] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [06:55:09] <XorA> hey _koen_
  • [06:58:09] <av500> gm _kOEn_
  • [06:59:04] <_koen_> av500: why is Schilly not using his real name anymore?
  • [06:59:14] <av500> ?
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  • [07:00:00] <_koen_> "I understand Solaris developers much better, unfortunately technically inferior products tend to win"
  • [07:01:04] <av500> :)
  • [07:01:17] <av500> he might have diciples though...
  • [07:01:22] <_koen_> :)
  • [07:04:46] <ds2> Solaris is a fine OS
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  • [07:04:48] <_dash_> Is it possible to enable part of overlay1 and display overlay 0 and 1 simulteneously ??
  • [07:05:55] <_dash_> I want to play video with ffplay on /dev/fb1 while display some image on part of /dev/fb0
  • [07:06:06] <_koen_> like the XV driver is doing?
  • [07:06:16] <_dash_> yup
  • [07:06:29] <_koen_> (except that the xv driver is using overlay 2 to keep 1 available)
  • [07:07:23] <_dash_> If I enable overlay1 my image is not visible... So what can be the solution ?
  • [07:08:32] <_dash_> Also I tried using mplayer with -vo omapfb option it plays video while displaying image
  • [07:09:26] <_dash_> but problem here is it plays at center of screen and I am unable to find any option for starting it at 0,0 location
  • [07:11:54] <_dash_> _koen_: Can u suggest any solution ??
  • [07:12:40] <_dash_> is it possible to do with directFB?
  • [07:17:18] <_dash_> At least give me some pointer to start with and I will explore
  • [07:23:32] <_koen_> did you look at the xv driver and mplayer vo_omapbf.c yet?
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  • [07:26:48] <_dash_> nope I will look into it
  • [07:27:02] <_dash_> thanks for pointer
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  • [08:02:37] <methril|work> good morning
  • [08:12:26] <gatotkatja> _koen_: hi! hows the AES accel's going? :-) is it the same as aes co-processor e.g. http://www.compel.ru/images/catalog/922/DN108_swra172.pdf
  • [08:13:43] <_koen_> dunno about that, but I have been getting more emails about it that look promissing
  • [08:14:37] <av500> gatotkatja: nope
  • [08:15:02] <gatotkatja> av500: uh -- hi! oh it is different
  • [08:15:22] <av500> diff said "file differ" :-)
  • [08:16:29] <gatotkatja> av500: haha -- but it has similar functionalities huh?
  • [08:17:50] <av500> well, yes, both do AES, but the API does not match
  • [08:18:22] <av500> maybe the actual AES cells in HW are the same, but the glue is different
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  • [08:28:45] <florian> good morning
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  • [08:48:42] <gatotkatja> av500: ja ja
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  • [08:56:01] <hrw> orning
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  • [09:14:04] <gatotkaca> morning! :-)
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  • [09:25:53] <av500> gatotkaca: you can't agree on your spelling :-)
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  • [09:31:06] <_koen_> ant_work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3761596514/
  • [09:32:49] <_dash_> is there any geometry related option in mplayer available with default angstrom FS ??
  • [09:36:01] <ant_work> koen: this is the 'old' 0.5?
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  • [09:38:10] <rach> I am getting "ipv6: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" message continueously on shell promp when run Angstrom stable RFS
  • [09:40:44] <_dash_> I want only mplayer code from OE git is there any branch that i can checkout ??
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  • [09:44:10] <_koen_> _dash_: I keep telling you OE doesn't subscribe to that idiotic "fork everything" git mentality
  • [09:44:21] <_koen_> rach: you modules don't match your kernel
  • [09:48:56] <rach> okay
  • [09:49:49] <rach> I have build kernel from git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
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  • [09:53:44] <rach> I have checked pre builtkernel image from Angstrom Distribution site but getting error when tried to read uImage at booting
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  • [10:05:27] <koen> ant_work: that's the git revision you mailed me
  • [10:05:57] <ant_work> hm..I don't see the first 'System Options' item
  • [10:07:23] <gatotkaca> koen: hohoho
  • [10:07:27] <ant_work> and the icons look like the 'old ones'
  • [10:08:01] <ant_work> (well, there is a minor bug and icons are not displayed btw... :)
  • [10:08:15] <_koen_> ant_work: it scans multiple event devices and reads cfgfiles, so it should be the one you pointed me to
  • [10:08:27] <_koen_> ant_work: it's the default one in OE now :)
  • [10:10:02] <ant_work> _koen_: Fine, probably I'm using a newer one.
  • [10:14:15] <ant_work> _koen_: yes, System menu is the latest commit in cfgfiles. Stay away for the moment....
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  • [10:29:37] <_koen_> now were did hrw go?
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  • [11:08:56] <hrw> re
  • [11:09:12] <_koen_> hrw: congratulations!
  • [11:09:21] <_koen_> (if my calendar is correct about yesterday)
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  • [11:10:15] <av500> _koen_: yes, yesterday way yesterday!
  • [11:10:18] <av500> way->was
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  • [11:10:39] <_koen_> yesterday yesterday was today
  • [11:10:56] <hrw> koen: yes, I managed to get to 33
  • [11:11:13] <av500> no, yesterday yesterday was 2days ago
  • [11:11:36] <av500> hrw: sve najbolje
  • [11:13:12] <hrw> av500: thx. 'vse najbolsze' you mean?
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  • [11:14:11] <av500> hrw: you understand :-)
  • [11:14:34] <av500> why you insist of permuting the letters, I dont know :)
  • [11:15:32] <chiku_> hello while booting the kernel image I am getting this error "request_module runaway loop modprobe binfmt-0000" is anyone know the reason?
  • [11:17:53] <hrw> av500: mostly because what you said is rather Russian then Polish ;)
  • [11:18:05] <av500> hrw: pah russian
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  • [11:37:27] <Qball> howdy all
  • [11:44:58] <Crofton|work> we really should resurrect #ol for general omap stuff :)
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  • [11:48:35] <hrw> Crofton|work: ;)
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  • [11:53:45] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [11:55:46] <hrw> hi jkridner
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  • [12:04:20] <Crofton|work> gm
  • [12:04:29] <Crofton|work> why has mmcinit become mmc init
  • [12:04:36] <Crofton|work> I ran into that the other day to
  • [12:04:50] <Crofton|work> and forgot the quoting needed to fix it :)
  • [12:04:53] <_koen_> I think they want to make mmc a proper subsys
  • [12:05:06] <_koen_> so you can do mmc erase or something
  • [12:06:14] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [12:06:26] <Crofton|work> it is going to confuse people who upgrade u-boot
  • [12:06:45] <_koen_> Crofton|work: you mean "confuse people that did saveenv"
  • [12:06:47] <Crofton|work> I need to remember the exact incantation for the flood of list messages :
  • [12:06:53] <Crofton|work> well
  • [12:06:56] <Crofton|work> maybe
  • [12:07:00] <Crofton|work> like me
  • [12:07:42] <_koen_> Crofton|work: my point is that it will confuse people that have poked at uboot vars before :)
  • [12:07:52] <_koen_> instead of confusing everyone
  • [12:08:12] <Crofton|work> well there was just one confused email on the list
  • [12:08:31] <Crofton|work> I admit to having to look a couple of times before I saw the mmcinit error
  • [12:08:36] <Crofton|work> but I am old and slow
  • [12:08:51] <Crofton|work> not young and quick like you young guys
  • [12:09:05] <XorA> mmcinit was just a dumb initial choice :-)
  • [12:10:51] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [12:11:11] <Crofton|work> I'm glad they are willing to fix stuff like that
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  • [12:13:03] <_koen_> "net improvement, but annoying nonetheless"
  • [12:13:13] <Crofton|work> exactly
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  • [12:17:27] <Zee> Please help me, which linux kerna has suppoted DVI output for beagleboar and from where i can download the source?
  • [12:19:35] <Zee> _av500_: Please help me, which linux kerna has suppoted DVI output for beagleboar and from where i can download the source?
  • [12:20:25] <Zee> _av500_: Please help me, which linux kernel has suppoted DVI output for beagleboar and from where i can download the source?
  • [12:22:32] <_koen_> is that some kind of warthog, a beagleboar?
  • [12:23:28] * av500 goes to complain to google today for sure!
  • [12:25:05] <Zee> oh sory man, BeagleBoard..:)
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  • [12:25:41] <Zee> so can u shelp me in this regard?
  • [12:25:46] <Zee> help*
  • [12:25:57] <javaJake> 6
  • [12:26:02] <javaJake> Eep
  • [12:26:07] <javaJake> Um, morning :)
  • [12:26:18] * _koen_ raises with 6.5
  • [12:27:15] <av500> 42
  • [12:27:15] * XorA ousts koen with 6.5.5
  • [12:28:11] <Zee> av500: please shre the link
  • [12:28:23] <Zee> share* :-)
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  • [12:28:44] <av500> I dont have it, I dont use a BB, but most people here use the angstrom/OE kernel and it works fine for them
  • [12:29:46] <Zee> _av500_: this is what i really need but from where i can get the angstrom kernel source?
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  • [12:30:42] <vishal> Hi , How can I change the cpu frequency , run it around 400 mhz. I am unable to find any configuration paramateres in the kernel configuration .
  • [12:31:04] * XorA hmms at firefox eating 461M of RAM
  • [12:31:14] <av500> XorA: so?
  • [12:31:31] <av500> I could run 13 firefoxes here....
  • [12:31:32] <XorA> av500: thats more than my whole OS + apps
  • [12:32:06] <av500> but the internet is HUUUUGE!
  • [12:32:18] <av500> much larget than your OS+apps....
  • [12:32:30] <XorA> IE and chrome must have better compression algorithms :-)
  • [12:32:49] <_koen_> XorA: lzip
  • [12:32:50] <av500> they store the JPGs, not the RBG pixels I guess :-)
  • [12:32:59] <av500> and prolly not in XML...
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  • [12:33:38] <XorA> av500: hehe
  • [12:33:39] <av500> Zee: AFAIK you get the kernel as part of the OE build, how you get it standalone I dont know, I never tried....
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  • [12:37:24] <jkridner|work> mru, ds2: can I get a tie-breaker vote for last week's contest?
  • [12:40:20] <av500> mru is is sweden, so he might not have internet :-)
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  • [12:48:52] <javaJake> XorA: if you don't like Firefox RAM usage, adjust it. There are options to do so.
  • [12:49:09] <javaJake> XorA: my guess is you have lots of RAM installed on your machine, so Firefox is taking advantage of it.
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  • [12:49:49] <XorA> javaJake: actually I think its just leaking memory like it always has and probably always will do
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  • [12:50:24] <hrw> re
  • [12:53:22] <_koen_> hrw: wb
  • [12:53:52] * _koen_ pokes Crofton|work about his pinmux pwnage patches
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  • [13:01:10] <Crofton|work> koen, ok
  • [13:01:22] <Crofton|work> the problem is the code does not account for different packages
  • [13:01:35] <Crofton|work> and they haven't worked out a sane naming convention
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  • [13:08:10] <hrw> OT question: someone know website with x86 cpu/gpu benchmark results? I would like to compare pentium-m with newer cpus
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  • [13:10:18] <SkyKnight> does any one knows where can i get beagle board in Chennai(India) is there any delar i can buy from?
  • [13:11:08] <hrw> SkyKnight: I would order at digikey - they are first who get BB from factory
  • [13:13:03] <_koen_> SkyKnight: cranes might be an option as well, all info can be found on beagleboard.org
  • [13:13:16] <_koen_> Crofton|work: that's what review on mailinglist is for :)
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  • [13:24:57] <_koen_> why am I getting all these mails asking for the dss2 sources?
  • [13:25:03] <_koen_> google must be down
  • [13:26:55] <tomba> _koen_: perhaps they have emailed me first, but I'm on vacation, and my nokia password expired so I can't even read my emails
  • [13:27:33] <_koen_> tomba: but still, your git tree is known by the mighty google :)
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  • [13:29:58] <tomba> _koen_: hmm yes, I've actually never googled dss2 before. looks like gitorious repo is on top/almost on top
  • [13:31:52] * _koen_ missed the move to gitorious
  • [13:32:17] <rach> I amn't getting ARM core clock on uImage-2.6.29-r37-beagleboard.bin and stable RFS using dmesg command
  • [13:32:24] <tomba> I never did that officially. I just tested it last week, out of interest. seems to work much much better now than last time I tried. so I think I'll move it there "officially" also
  • [13:33:32] <_koen_> tomba: still shooting for getting dss2 into .32?
  • [13:34:35] <tomba> _koen_: I don't have any plans to which version it'll go. but I will mail the patch sets after I get back to work.
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  • [13:35:15] <tomba> I tried to do that already before the vacation, but it was a bit more work than expected to get dss1 and dss2 work properly together
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  • [13:55:34] <rach> _koen_: how to get ARM core clock running on uImage-2.6.29-r37-beagleboard.bin and stable RFS
  • [13:57:18] <_koen_> the clock starts running as soon as you power it on
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  • [13:59:23] <rach> _koen_ : I like to know it's frequency value previously dmesg resturn it.
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  • [14:02:32] <ant_work> _koen_: I now realize who fed the beagleboar: acorn
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  • [14:05:42] <_koen_> ant_work: :)
  • [14:05:57] <Manjunath> hi i am not getting color bars on S-Video Line in beagle board
  • [14:07:02] <Manjunath> hi i am not getting color bars on S-Video Line in beagle board
  • [14:07:08] <Manjunath> can anybody help
  • [14:07:21] <Manjunath> I have REv C3 board
  • [14:07:33] <muriani> how are you setting the video out?
  • [14:07:49] <muriani> it sounds like you're missing chroma if you don't have color
  • [14:07:50] <Manjunath> I have a S-Video to RCA Cable
  • [14:07:54] <muriani> oh
  • [14:07:57] <muriani> that would be why
  • [14:08:09] <Manjunath> So what am i supposed to use ?..
  • [14:08:14] <muriani> *could* be why, rather
  • [14:08:35] <muriani> svideo signals are split into chroma, luma, etc
  • [14:08:40] <Manjunath> I have the latest angstrom running ..
  • [14:08:41] <Manjunath> ok
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  • [14:08:59] <muriani> the RCA connection is a single composite signal, which an s-video output may or may not have
  • [14:09:33] <XorA> muriani: to get composite you just add the two signals
  • [14:09:56] <Manjunath> I have used this converter for my NVIDIA Graphics card ... Which gave the output to the TV
  • [14:10:02] <muriani> XorA: which his adapter quite possibly isn't doing.
  • [14:10:16] <XorA> muriani: not much of an adapter then :-)
  • [14:10:22] <muriani> Manjunath: that's not guaranteed to work.
  • [14:10:38] <muriani> especially if it's coming from a graphics card bundle
  • [14:10:44] <XorA> an the nvidia cards auto detect the cable type and send the correct signal
  • [14:10:51] <XorA> so only one wire is normally connected
  • [14:11:02] <muriani> it's likely best to make your own.
  • [14:11:12] <Manjunath> this is the one i have http://www.inmax.ca/images/5FT_4_PIN_S-VIDEO_to_3_RCA_TV_male_Cable.jpg
  • [14:11:54] <muriani> ...uuuh...
  • [14:12:01] <Manjunath> :)
  • [14:12:03] <muriani> s-video plugs don't carry audio
  • [14:12:17] <XorA> thats a new crazy cable :-)
  • [14:12:17] <muriani> not normally
  • [14:12:26] <muriani> that's a special for nvidia cable.
  • [14:13:18] <XorA> doesnt look like either of the two cable you normally get with an nvidia card, so its truely special :-)
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  • [14:13:51] <muriani> Preferably, you want a real s-video input
  • [14:14:02] <ShadowJK> XorA, yeah mine has 9 pins not 4
  • [14:14:20] <muriani> but barring that, you can take a REAL s-video cable
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  • [14:14:41] <muriani> split all the wires out, and solder it to an RCA 2-conductor cable
  • [14:14:43] <XorA> ShadowJK: that sounds like the newer ones, the older ones were a standard s-video connector but the card knew to output composite on only one pin :-)
  • [14:14:53] <muriani> right
  • [14:15:19] <muriani> Manjunath: you'd just basically twist the signal wires together and solder on to the RCA signal
  • [14:15:32] <Manjunath> I dont have a LCD Display device ... So my primary display is the TV ..
  • [14:15:42] <muriani> right, same as me
  • [14:16:02] <muriani> but I have s-video input on the CRT
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  • [14:16:10] <muriani> anyhoo
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  • [14:16:36] <muriani> the method I just desribed should give you a working s-video to composite RCA wire.
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  • [14:18:04] <Manjunath> Thanks will try that ... i found this site regarding S-Video to Composite http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html
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  • [14:18:13] * XorA loves his tv with every type of video input you could want
  • [14:18:45] <hrw> XorA: digital rgbi too?
  • [14:18:48] <muriani> XorA: I got everything short of component
  • [14:19:04] <muriani> I do have VGA/RGB+HV :D
  • [14:19:17] <muriani> I keep it around for all my old consoles :)
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  • [14:23:40] <Crofton> I love fan mail
  • [14:23:45] <Crofton> well fan email
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  • [14:24:48] <Manjunath> @ murani ..
  • [14:25:06] <Manjunath> How do you view the beagle board logo
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  • [14:38:00] <MJ_> Hi has anybody cross compiled Opencv for Beagle board ?.
  • [14:38:42] <Crofton|work> I am pretty sure it has been built with OE/Angstrom
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  • [16:25:24] <XorA> what official size are those tiny resistors on the beagleboard?
  • [16:25:58] <av500> damnSmall(tm)
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  • [16:26:24] * av500 expects upcoming discussion about who can solder what :-)
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  • [16:26:37] * XorA needs to order some replacements
  • [16:27:01] <av500> 12V?
  • [16:27:21] <XorA> no
  • [16:28:00] <XorA> wire mod has pulled one off
  • [16:28:17] <XorA> would be good to have a few spares
  • [16:29:09] <av500> XorA: you sure it left the pad on the PCB?
  • [16:29:18] <XorA> av500: yes
  • [16:29:25] <av500> good
  • [16:30:29] <XorA> its just been a while and I dont remember the sizing codes
  • [16:30:45] <av500> looks like 0102 (metric) to me
  • [16:30:54] <XorA> cheers
  • [16:30:58] <s4wrxttcs2> isn't it on the BOM?
  • [16:30:58] <av500> 1mmx2mm
  • [16:31:11] <av500> XorA: which R is it?
  • [16:31:18] <XorA> r40
  • [16:31:56] <av500> looks like 0102
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  • [16:31:59] <XorA> s4wrxttcs2: there is a BOM? gimme a link
  • [16:32:05] <XorA> av500: cheers
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  • [16:32:41] <av500> wow, no, 0102 is huge...
  • [16:32:46] <av500> more like 1/2 of that
  • [16:32:55] <av500> 01005 in metric...
  • [16:33:03] <s4wrxttcs2> just google beagle board BOM
  • [16:33:07] <s4wrxttcs2> and its the first hit
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  • [16:33:40] <av500> XorA: yes, I just calipered it, 1mm long and about half as wide
  • [16:34:13] <XorA> 0402
  • [16:34:27] <av500> ?
  • [16:34:31] <XorA> is the size
  • [16:34:32] <s4wrxttcs2> P/N: CRCW040233R0JNED
  • [16:34:56] <av500> XorA: yes, 0402 is 1005 metric :-)
  • [16:35:20] <s4wrxttcs2> yep
  • [16:35:45] <s4wrxttcs2> just make sure you have tweezers
  • [16:36:11] <av500> and oven gloves
  • [16:36:40] <s4wrxttcs2> nah, it doesn't count if you don't feel the burn
  • [16:37:16] <av500> holding a 0402 with oven gloves and no tweezers :-)
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  • [16:37:42] <av500> XorA: make usre you solder it the right side...
  • [16:37:55] <av500> right side up
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  • [16:41:08] * Crofton|work is looking forward to koen assembling his softrock
  • [16:44:06] <av500> Crofton|work: nah, he'll outsource that to TI India...
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  • [16:45:58] <Crofton> heh
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  • [16:54:39] <_koen_> av500: that's actually a good idea
  • [16:55:18] <_koen_> I wonder which idiot thought that the "your mouse moved" indicator in the winxp dock was a good idea
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  • [16:59:56] <Qball> your mouse moved indicator
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  • [16:59:58] <Qball> wth
  • [17:01:25] <_koen_> it's called "dell touchpad" and shows a blue spot where I touch the touchpad
  • [17:01:38] <XorA> hehe, dell fill your machine with that crap
  • [17:01:48] <XorA> any opurtunity to get the word dell on screen
  • [17:02:03] <_koen_> also, why are ARM ltd employees complaining that compile options for eabi are confusing?
  • [17:02:58] <_koen_> they payed for them to be that way
  • [17:03:05] * _koen_ needs a cookie
  • [17:03:24] <Qball> aah yes
  • [17:03:30] <_koen_> Crofton|work: awesome pinmux patch!
  • [17:03:37] <Crofton> heh
  • [17:03:40] <Crofton> note the problems
  • [17:04:03] <Crofton> as in the current naming system does not account for the package
  • [17:04:20] <Crofton> and Kevin is suggesting the ball name go away
  • [17:04:41] <Crofton> I think he saw the light when he claimed I had bad offsets though
  • [17:04:51] <Crofton> he was looking at the wrong mcspi balls :)
  • [17:06:15] <ds2> he he he he he
  • [17:07:08] * XorA is sure there are many below the belt jokes to make about now
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  • [17:31:39] <Crofton> no responses to the mux email :(
  • [17:31:43] <Crofton> maybe no one cares
  • [17:32:59] <av500> no one muxes
  • [17:33:23] <Crofton|work> could be
  • [17:33:47] <av500> most ppl try to run firefox once they figure out the serial cable :-)
  • [17:34:11] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [17:34:14] <Crofton|work> likely right
  • [17:34:25] <Crofton|work> maybe only koen and I care
  • [17:34:41] <av500> do all mux configs have to be in mux.c?
  • [17:34:43] <Crofton|work> since we are trying to connect things to the expansion connector
  • [17:34:51] <av500> or could they be kept local to the drivers?
  • [17:35:24] <av500> or rather to some file per add-on-board
  • [17:35:50] <sakoman> Crofton|work: I care :-)
  • [17:35:58] <sakoman> just busy with other things right now
  • [17:36:00] <Crofton|work> well, we need to create the mux array
  • [17:36:09] <Crofton|work> well, unless the pinmux code is redone
  • [17:36:19] <Crofton|work> although I don't have any suggestions there
  • [17:36:20] <sakoman> IMHO it needs to be redone
  • [17:36:28] * Crofton|work won't argue
  • [17:36:42] <Crofton|work> the enum + array system will lead to trobule
  • [17:36:45] <Crofton|work> trouble
  • [17:37:06] <sakoman> plus there are legacy assumptions that most boards are pinmuxed the same
  • [17:37:11] <Crofton|work> we need to get something in place in the kernel
  • [17:37:17] <sakoman> and that is clearly not true
  • [17:37:20] <Crofton|work> right
  • [17:37:33] <Crofton|work> can you make these comments on linus-omap?
  • [17:37:50] <sakoman> I have in the past :-)
  • [17:38:03] <Crofton|work> as we start attaching different boards to beagles, the problem will get worse
  • [17:38:18] <Crofton|work> well repeat yourself ....
  • [17:38:20] <sakoman> indeed!
  • [17:38:34] <Crofton|work> we may just need to propose some code .....
  • [17:38:47] <sakoman> that's what holds me back
  • [17:39:05] <sakoman> I care, but not enough to undertake all that work
  • [17:39:32] <sakoman> big jobs require either a paying client, or fun interesting work :-)
  • [17:39:38] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [17:39:53] <Crofton|work> still I am getting close to being burned by it
  • [17:40:01] <Crofton|work> to many patches to carry around
  • [17:40:02] <sakoman> it is definitely not in the fun and interesting category
  • [17:40:11] <Crofton|work> I do not want to use custom u-boots
  • [17:40:18] <Crofton|work> no, miserable work
  • [17:40:45] <Crofton|work> can you ask if anyone knows why the enum+array approach is being used in the first place?
  • [17:40:49] <sakoman> and it feels like one of those things where getting people to agree on a new approach will be painful
  • [17:41:12] <av500> problem is that people that have $$$ do not care much about a very dynamic pinmux...
  • [17:41:15] <Crofton|work> I'm not sure anyone uses it .....
  • [17:41:22] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [17:41:23] <av500> coz they tend to have "fixed" HW
  • [17:41:36] <Crofton|work> the only products that really need it are overo, and beagle
  • [17:41:41] <Crofton|work> AND TI DEV BOARDS
  • [17:41:44] <Crofton|work> oops
  • [17:41:47] <Crofton|work> I was shouting :)
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  • [17:43:01] <av500> Crofton|work: but do you need to have that in the enum+array? is there no kernel API to pass a mux for a given pin?
  • [17:43:31] <Crofton|work> the enum is used to select the config from an array
  • [17:43:36] <av500> maybe 1st step is to take one step back and expose a raw-er API that allows to change mux adhoc
  • [17:43:36] <Crofton|work> I think :)
  • [17:43:44] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [17:44:07] <av500> Crofton|work: yes, that is what enum+array do, but then this is passed to something that might accept a "local" mux, no?
  • [17:44:09] <Crofton|work> and assign offsets to #defines or something
  • [17:44:18] <sakoman> I keep longing for the equivilent of the pxaregs command line utility
  • [17:44:44] <_koen_> sakoman: how are the gnome patches coming along?
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  • [17:45:16] <Crofton|work> sakoman, but that would mean delaying mux config until user space was running
  • [17:45:38] <sakoman> koen: slowly. I'm trying a clean build this morning to see how many broken dependencies I created :-)
  • [17:46:06] <sakoman> then I'll start commiting them a few each day
  • [17:46:21] <sakoman> too many balls in the air
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  • [17:50:05] <Crofton|work> sakoman, feel free to chime in on the list anyway, the wheel needs to squeak :)
  • [17:51:17] <ds2> eh?
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  • [17:51:34] <_koen_> the squeaky wheels get the grease
  • [17:51:43] <ds2> who does the enum + array approach preclude dynamic muxig?
  • [17:51:48] <av500> Crofton|work: err, why dont you add the BALL# to the mux?
  • [17:51:54] <av500> like the existing ones?
  • [17:51:55] <ds2> s/who/how/
  • [17:52:06] <Crofton|work> Kevin suggested leaving it off, so I did
  • [17:52:12] <Crofton|work> but that won't work as I point out
  • [17:52:22] <av500> if you have ball_omap_function, there is no ambiguity, no?
  • [17:52:28] <Crofton|work> he saw that when he said I had an offset wrong :)
  • [17:52:54] <Crofton|work> yeah, you can solve it by having seperate arrays for each package
  • [17:53:07] <Crofton|work> and including the ball
  • [17:53:18] <av500> I mean, there should be no issue with a global table the lists every possible mux for every pin
  • [17:53:22] <Crofton|work> this does not solve the problem of making sure the enum and array are in sync
  • [17:53:31] <av500> no of course no
  • [17:53:32] <av500> no of course not
  • [17:53:52] <av500> but at least you can add to enum+array and it does not depend on the HW...
  • [17:53:58] <Crofton|work> right
  • [17:54:16] <_koen_> don't forget pointers
  • [17:54:22] <av500> of course once you do pullup vs pulldown, there is an issue...
  • [17:54:49] <ds2> okay, then in that case, what about building it up like how the board id thing is done? (yet anotehr build process thing)
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  • [17:55:46] <av500> well, you would have a giant table for EVERY pinmux configuration, then it might be easier to write it as a pinmux("A5_3430_GPIO123_PULLUP_WEAK_CHEESE_ON_TOP");
  • [17:55:48] <ds2> Crofton|work: any reason you are combining both the SPI enablement in the board file with the pinmux definition changes (vs 2 seperate patches)
  • [17:56:05] <Crofton|work> not really
  • [17:56:23] <Crofton|work> the patches are basically let people see what is going on some
  • [17:57:00] <ds2> As I understand it, the preferred way is to split it up so you have multiple small patches that do a single thing
  • [17:57:25] <ds2> in theory the pin mux patches would impact a lot of people (say a bad ordering) whereas the other one would just impact beagle folks
  • [17:58:57] <av500> ds2: in fact these mux'es are meaningless, they just give snapshot of some of the (allowed) configs in the whole pinmux controller...
  • [17:58:59] <ds2> interesting, I see your latest mail but not the original ones quoted
  • [17:59:37] <ds2> av500: it isn't much better the what is done with the U-boot code
  • [18:00:35] <av500> as I said, I dont see the point of pre-defining these muxes, just to be able to access them by ID, why not pass what makes up the #define in a function call...
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  • [18:03:13] <ds2> av500: the only drawback I see is the amount of memory needed explodes
  • [18:03:24] <ds2> (relative to what is there now)
  • [18:04:04] <ds2> You suddenly have 5-10 huge tables sitting in memory and for it to support dynamic muxing means you can't __init it
  • [18:05:04] <ds2> I suppose on the average it'll just be 1 or 2
  • [18:05:52] <av500> well, then no table, just do whatever the #define does live...
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  • [18:07:44] <ds2> so you are suggesting we just setup defines for the register addresses and have a function that takes the different ball/pin options?
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  • [18:08:08] <av500> e.g. MUX_CFG_24XX("M21_242X_GPIO11", 0x0c9, 3, 1, 1, 1)
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  • [18:08:32] <ds2> but todo that, you'd still need to rewrite that macro to turn it into a table
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  • [18:08:41] <av500> hmmm
  • [18:09:02] <av500> what could that entry look like in a fn call, in the end the only real info is "0x0c9, 3, 1, 1, 1"
  • [18:09:04] <ds2> and it'd need to be indexable by all the options or you have to have subtables for each ball/pin
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  • [18:09:25] <ds2> Ohhhh you are willing to have people call the functions with the actual values?
  • [18:09:33] <av500> not sure :-)
  • [18:09:52] <ds2> from what I am seeing, most people seem to insist that you should be able to call the functions with proper defines/enums
  • [18:09:57] <av500> atm, mux.c is a "clearing house" for allowed muxes
  • [18:10:06] <av500> ds2: yes
  • [18:10:20] <av500> I tend to agree, pinmux( 0x0c9, 3, 1, 1, 1) is of course ugly
  • [18:10:59] <av500> I dont know how regular the actual mapping in the registers is...
  • [18:11:14] <ds2> 0x0c9 + offset is the real address
  • [18:11:30] <ds2> I think the 3 is the mode/function and the rest are really bit fields
  • [18:11:37] <av500> yes, but is it 1 regsiter per pin, I guess not..
  • [18:11:47] <ds2> actually it is 1 regiser per 2 pins
  • [18:12:06] <ds2> they are 32 bit reg (or so the TRM alludes) and each 32bit covers 2 pins (upper and lower 16 bits)
  • [18:12:26] <av500> yes, but some "real" pins can be muxed from different regs, no?
  • [18:12:44] <av500> ah no, some fns can be muxed to different pins...
  • [18:12:51] <av500> not the other way round, no?
  • [18:14:35] <av500> thing is, calling it with pinmux( M21, GPIO11, ...) would not work as you cannot call it with pinmux( M21, GPIO42, ...)
  • [18:14:46] <av500> so somebody needs to "know" what fn goes with what pin
  • [18:16:22] <av500> but this knowledge base could be compile time, not runtime, no?
  • [18:17:24] <av500> so I can write pinmux( M21, GPIO11, PULL_UP, CREAM_ON_TOP ); and at compile time it would be verified that it is legal
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  • [18:18:08] <ds2> yes, multiple pins can assume a function
  • [18:18:29] <syntropy> What form factor does the beagle board fit? As well, how does it compare to the Open-RD Base board?
  • [18:18:38] <ds2> no, you'd still need to build up nasty huge tables
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  • [18:18:53] <av500> syntropy: mine is 3"x3"
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  • [18:19:21] <ds2> the closests would be something like (pinmux(PACKAGE_CBB, BALL_YF8, MODE5, PULL_UP|INPUT_ENABLE);
  • [18:19:24] <ds2> )
  • [18:19:37] <av500> but what is MODE5?
  • [18:19:40] <ds2> that would require the least tables
  • [18:19:42] <syntropy> the reason I ask is that I would like to build an ARM based linux general purpose embedded device.
  • [18:19:54] <ds2> MODE5 is exactly what is defined per page xyz on TRM version abc
  • [18:19:55] <ds2> :D
  • [18:20:14] <av500> ds2: and you need the TRM anyway, so why not :-)
  • [18:20:16] <ds2> MODE5 translates directly to certain bits being set in the reg.
  • [18:20:42] <ds2> in theory, one could then write another macro like -
  • [18:20:45] <av500> ds2: and actually, using a crpytic syntax forces people to read the TRM, not guess what it could be...
  • [18:21:53] <ds2> #define USE_PACKAGE_CBB_BALL_YF8_MCKITCHENSINK pinmux(PACKAGE_CBB, BALL_YF8, MODE3, PULL_DOWN
  • [18:21:56] <ds2> )
  • [18:22:21] <ds2> that would then become the 1:1 replacement for the current system
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  • [18:22:30] <av500> yes
  • [18:23:28] <ds2> I suppose that reduces all the tables down to compile time stuff (thus eliminating my prior concern)
  • [18:23:30] <av500> I see a commit to thix mux.c mux.h here almost daily...
  • [18:23:40] <av500> then 5 min later a functional change in a driver...
  • [18:23:52] <ds2> driver?!?
  • [18:24:01] <ds2> drivers should NOT know about these details
  • [18:24:18] <ds2> if it really needs to, it ought to call back a function in the board file
  • [18:24:27] <av500> course they do, they know that they now use an adiditioanl GPIO for something
  • [18:24:31] <ds2> otherwise, it would seriously get out of hand
  • [18:24:35] <av500> er, yes, board file changes too of course
  • [18:25:00] <ds2> no, it should be like the DSS2 stuff... driver knows a callback, say foobar_enable()... that is defined in the boardfile
  • [18:25:05] <av500> yes
  • [18:25:09] <ds2> the boardfile knows howto fiddle with the mux
  • [18:25:14] <av500> yes
  • [18:25:35] <av500> still the board file should be enough to change imho
  • [18:26:11] <ds2> well, hopefully, the board file changes will be limited to stuff dowwnstream... only essential common stuff shouldgo up stream
  • [18:26:35] <ds2> there is no reason, forexample, for me to push my beagle mid LCD chagnes up stream until more then myself have that hardware
  • [18:26:40] <av500> it will be crowded if every HW manuf pushes his board to mainline :-)
  • [18:27:00] <ds2> I don't think it will be that bad
  • [18:27:09] <av500> we sometimes make 3 revisions during dev and 3 more during lifetime :-)
  • [18:27:29] <av500> and several products of course...
  • [18:27:45] <ds2> yes, but you don't push every single change upstream
  • [18:27:51] <av500> yep
  • [18:27:53] <syntropy> av500: for a more general purpose device, with SATA support and such, would the OpenRD base be a better choice?
  • [18:28:08] <syntropy> av500: also, 3D isn't necessary, but video output may be
  • [18:28:29] <ds2> generally, I'd expect - original developer.... push to group repo... then push to L-O... then eventually it gets into K-O
  • [18:28:40] <ds2> but at each step, there is an effective low pass filtering going on
  • [18:28:47] <av500> yes, often is stops after step 1 :-)
  • [18:28:56] <ds2> right so it would be that horrible
  • [18:28:57] <av500> syntropy: does it have video?
  • [18:29:06] <ds2> now having saidthat, anyone want to take it up?
  • [18:29:17] <av500> Crofton, no?
  • [18:29:18] <syntropy> av500: I believe it has an integrated MPEG encoder/decoder
  • [18:29:53] <Crofton> heh
  • [18:29:54] <av500> I see no video connector...
  • [18:30:08] <Crofton> I want some certainty it will be accepted upstream
  • [18:30:12] <av500> Crofton: dont forget to add us to the commit notes :-P
  • [18:30:48] <av500> syntropy: anyway, it is not "cute" enough :-)
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  • [18:31:20] <syntropy> av500: I'm planning to shove it all in a SilverStoneTek Milo ML02
  • [18:31:21] <av500> and people with "stripes" would kill me if I recommend it over the beagle :-)
  • [18:31:50] <av500> syntropy: so, then put a miniitx...
  • [18:31:52] <syntropy> well i don't ccare much for politics, I just want to make a good decision about hardware
  • [18:32:06] <syntropy> av500: I want an ARM based machine, not x86.
  • [18:32:14] <av500> syntropy: well, you defined your hw nicely "general purpose device!" :-)
  • [18:32:18] <syntropy> I'm so utterly fed up with programming the x86 ABI
  • [18:32:24] <syntropy> it's HORRIBLE.
  • [18:32:31] <syntropy> sorry, s/ABI/ISA/
  • [18:32:50] <av500> syntropy: still, the answer is "it depends"
  • [18:33:17] <av500> what you have with BB is massive community support, dunny about that marvell thingy
  • [18:33:40] <av500> there were a lot of boards out there, but only the BB managed to capture a large following
  • [18:33:41] <syntropy> yeah
  • [18:33:52] <av500> so it must be "good" somehow ;-)
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  • [18:34:15] <av500> and you can have sata nicely via USB
  • [18:34:24] <syntropy> I guess my question is better refined by what I'm looking to do. I want to connect a large SATA drive without going though USB.
  • [18:34:52] <av500> well, then no BB
  • [18:34:57] <syntropy> ok
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  • [18:35:03] <av500> and why not usb?
  • [18:38:42] <syntropy> av500: not high enough throughput, especially considering there will be other USB connected devices
  • [18:39:08] <av500> and where does the data go?
  • [18:40:40] <syntropy> av500: to the SATA disk, hence why the need for the storage. I'm planning on a combination of a wireless base station, media center, storage server, and a few other uses.
  • [18:41:17] <syntropy> I've been working on my own userspace for an embedded device just like this for some time.
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  • [18:44:28] <ThunderedFire> Sorry if this is interupting but does anyone know how I can change my WM in angstrom? It keeps booting into matchbox even though I dl'ed xfdesktop
  • [18:45:34] <syntropy> ThunderedFire: echo "exec matchbox" > ~/.xinitrc ?
  • [18:45:42] <syntropy> *shrug*
  • [18:49:48] <ThunderedFire> no luck :S
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  • [19:40:41] <sakoman> koen: OK, here's my first 3 gnome related patches: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/overo
  • [19:41:00] <sakoman> I started out with nice simple ones :-)
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  • [20:31:56] <djlewis> hi sakoman
  • [20:32:02] <djlewis> gm all
  • [20:33:35] <muriani> heya djlewis
  • [20:33:41] <_av500_> hello djlewis
  • [20:35:04] <djlewis> Yo! fellow beagler's ;)
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  • [20:36:41] <_av500_> ive done my shift, i go sleep now ;)
  • [20:36:55] <hrw> so do I
  • [20:38:11] <djlewis> later _av500_
  • [20:38:32] <djlewis> ya done good :)
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  • [20:39:46] <sakoman> hi djlewis!
  • [20:40:11] <sakoman> my transcend microsd card is working just fine
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  • [20:41:15] <djlewis> sakoman: I figured it would :)
  • [20:41:48] <djlewis> I wonder of newegg will exchange mine?
  • [20:45:04] <sakoman> I thought you were having trouble with multiple cards?
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  • [20:53:55] <muriani> I've had good experience with Transcend cards
  • [20:54:46] <ravishi> crofton - i've finished drafting up some instructions of compiling dsplink application w/in openembedded
  • [20:55:11] <ravishi> i appended it to the existing Codec Engine guide. http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/BeagleBoard_CodecEngine
  • [20:56:28] <syntropy> I need (1) A wireless card that works under linux as an AP and supports wireless G, and; (2) a bluetooth class one dongle. Anyone have any ideas?
  • [20:56:51] <muriani> first thought is atheros
  • [20:57:10] <muriani> I don't think there's USB atheros, and if so it's not supported IIRC
  • [20:57:13] <syntropy> I've seen on linuxwireless that ath9k is well done
  • [20:57:20] <muriani> there mightbe USB atheros..
  • [20:57:27] <muriani> are you looking to use this with the beagle?
  • [20:58:07] <syntropy> muriani: not in particular, but it is an ARM based embedded device
  • [20:58:12] <muriani> I don't know of anyone using anything other than zd1211 on the beagle
  • [20:58:13] <muriani> ah
  • [20:58:22] <muriani> then look at atheros if possible
  • [20:58:42] <muriani> Not sure about driver support, that's the issue.
  • [20:58:48] <syntropy> I have a single PCI-Express slot and many USB ports.
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  • [20:59:12] <muriani> atheros in the past has use binary blobs instead of open drivers
  • [20:59:21] <muriani> I hear they may have changed their ways
  • [20:59:45] <syntropy> muriani: they released a ton of code under the ISC iirc.
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  • [21:02:39] <hous> hi
  • [21:03:50] <hous> do you know if it s possible to connect a beagleboard with my laptop (my laptop has a s-video tv-out connactor)
  • [21:05:31] <syntropy> hmm
  • [21:05:57] <syntropy> on further looking into, it appears the card I was looking at has SATA but doesn't have audio or video...
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  • [21:06:14] <sakoman> hous: no - both devices have s-video *out*
  • [21:06:28] <Stskeeps> amakes sense
  • [21:07:05] <Stskeeps> .. err, ignore
  • [21:08:05] <hous> sakoman can i connect the beagle with the vga connector of my laptop?
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  • [21:08:22] <sakoman> hous: no
  • [21:08:48] <hous> what 's the solution?
  • [21:08:57] <sakoman> buy a monitor
  • [21:09:29] <ThomasEgi> or a converter^
  • [21:09:49] <hous> it s expensive for me is there another solution?
  • [21:09:49] <ThomasEgi> or a tv-card with svideo in
  • [21:10:14] <ThomasEgi> usb-tv card might do
  • [21:10:30] <hous> how?
  • [21:10:40] <ThomasEgi> beagle has an svideo out
  • [21:10:52] <ShadowJK> What is it you want to accomplish anyway
  • [21:11:11] <ThomasEgi> with a video-capture card you can record/display the image from your beagle on your laptop screen
  • [21:11:31] <sakoman> or use xvnc
  • [21:11:50] <hous> how much costed the usv-tv card ?
  • [21:12:02] <hous> what is the xvnc
  • [21:12:04] <hous> ?
  • [21:12:11] <sakoman> use google
  • [21:12:20] <ShadowJK> a monitor costs less than a beagleboard anyway..
  • [21:12:41] <ShadowJK> although maybe not if you want dvi/hdmi
  • [21:13:10] <ThomasEgi> 20???
  • [21:13:22] <ThomasEgi> what you'r looking for is called "usb video grabber"
  • [21:13:37] <ThomasEgi> some are as cheap as 15???
  • [21:14:09] <hous> how i connect it with the lapltop?
  • [21:14:22] <ThomasEgi> it's USB
  • [21:14:25] <ThomasEgi> just plug it in.
  • [21:15:20] <hous> and it has a s-video in?
  • [21:15:44] <ThomasEgi> those video grabbers are svideo->usb converters.
  • [21:15:47] <ThomasEgi> heavily simplified
  • [21:16:37] <ThomasEgi> http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Creator-Capture-High-quality-Analog/dp/B001BWU8US/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1248729377&sr=8-1
  • [21:16:41] <ThomasEgi> something like that
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  • [21:18:35] <hous> sakoman: i ve read about the xvnc but how can i use that with the beagle
  • [21:20:38] <sakoman> hous: do you have a beagle yet?
  • [21:21:11] <hous> no
  • [21:22:04] <syntropy> *sigh*
  • [21:22:24] <syntropy> It looks like I can only choose SATA support or audio/s-video
  • [21:22:27] <sakoman> hous: are you experienced with linux?
  • [21:22:27] <muriani> if you use the Narcissus Angstrom image, VNC is running at boot.
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  • [21:22:45] <muriani> I dunno about any other angstrom rootfs
  • [21:22:58] <hous> no
  • [21:23:03] <sakoman> demo image has vnc
  • [21:23:25] <muriani> but after setting up narcissus, I could just hop onto the already-running vnc server just fine
  • [21:23:27] <sakoman> hous: then you have a fairly steep learning curve ahead of you!
  • [21:23:38] <hous> ok
  • [21:24:07] <hous> sakoman for the Usb 2.0 Audio/video Creator Capture High-quality Analog Video it can worked?
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  • [21:24:52] <sakoman> hous: I have no clue whether that will work -- but I do know that you will be disappointed with the quality of TV video output
  • [21:25:29] <sakoman> I would invest the money in a monitor rather than that
  • [21:25:45] <hous> how cost a monitor
  • [21:25:49] <hous> ?
  • [21:26:08] <ThomasEgi> check your local resellers prices
  • [21:26:57] <hous> how it will be connected with the beagle
  • [21:26:59] <hous> ?
  • [21:27:05] <ThomasEgi> via a cable
  • [21:27:12] <hous> dvi-d/hdmi
  • [21:27:15] <hous> ?
  • [21:27:20] <ThomasEgi> dvi
  • [21:29:07] <hous> sorry if my question is a little debile I'm only 10 years old and I really want to learn
  • [21:29:37] <hous> i need your help
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  • [21:29:54] <ThomasEgi> you should not mess with expensive embedded systems.
  • [21:30:04] <ThomasEgi> you'd end up frustrated and propably breaking your hardware.
  • [21:30:31] <hous> i ve worked before with some pic
  • [21:30:49] <ThomasEgi> x86 platforms are still good to learn on, if you like learn about embedded systems try to mess with some ??C first.
  • [21:31:22] <ThomasEgi> an omap is quite expensive to just toy around with.
  • [21:31:35] <ThomasEgi> but if you have too much money^ feel free
  • [21:31:44] <hous> i ve mess with some pic like 16f84
  • [21:32:03] <hous> but i realy want to use the beage borad
  • [21:32:07] <ThomasEgi> some sub 1$ part is a bit different from an omap-
  • [21:32:30] <ThomasEgi> a beagle board is like an antire computer on a single chip.
  • [21:32:45] <hous> please i ve collect 149 $ for the beagle
  • [21:32:59] <Grackle> hous, if you want to step up from the PIC, I'd recommend looking at some of the development boards on futurlec.com
  • [21:33:29] <Grackle> The beagle requires a lot of linux operating system design knowledge, it's a major hurdle that a lot of people have trouble with.
  • [21:33:47] <ThomasEgi> aside from that it has little to do with traditional ??C programming.
  • [21:34:17] <ThomasEgi> it's like a standard pc + difficulties to overcome.
  • [21:34:27] <muriani> yeah, even I have just enough experience to play around with the beagle a little, and I'm the linux server admin at work >_<
  • [21:34:52] <Grackle> muriani, haha yeah, I thought I knew quite a bit, but.. It's tough. o.o
  • [21:35:17] <ThomasEgi> hous, to keep it short. you wont be able to use the beagleboard unless you know what you'r doing already.
  • [21:35:36] <Grackle> hous, take a look at some of the boards here: http://www.futurlec.com/Boards.shtml They're a lot of fun and much cheaper, so you can spend your money on interesting hardware to hook up.
  • [21:35:55] <muriani> Grackle: the embedded bit makes it a little odd for us desktop linux-ers
  • [21:36:00] <Grackle> Er here, rather: http://www.futurlec.com/DevelopmentBoards.shtml
  • [21:36:30] <ShadowJK> one thing to realize is that even if beagle has graphical output, it doesn't have a graphical user interface. That is, there is nothing on the screen for you to see or type unless you know how to install linux software manually by hand without using a screen..
  • [21:37:07] <Grackle> muriani, yeah, it would be a lot easier if there was some standard software package (compare to the gumstix), but the "roll your own everything (software and peripheral hardware)" mindset makes it something difficult for hobbyists to get into.
  • [21:37:20] <muriani> yeah, I used a serial console to install software initially, and then ssh from there
  • [21:37:28] <ThomasEgi> which requires you to establish an rs232 connection, configure the bootparameters correctly, create a bootable sd-card , install a linux on it using a vm. etc etc etc
  • [21:37:33] <muriani> Grackle: well, Angstrom kinda does that
  • [21:37:40] <muriani> especially with narcissus.
  • [21:37:59] <Grackle> muriani, really? Hah I haven't been having much luck with narcissus. :X
  • [21:38:11] <muriani> damnit, I really need to write that up
  • [21:38:25] <muriani> I got narcissus going fairly easily
  • [21:38:29] <ThomasEgi> hm.. alsmost as many users in this chan as $ the board costs:P
  • [21:38:40] <muriani> haha
  • [21:38:41] <Grackle> muriani, send me a link if you do
  • [21:38:52] <muriani> what problems are you having?
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  • [21:40:07] <Grackle> muriani, trouble booting fully. I dunno. Have you gotten an opie image to work?
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  • [21:40:34] <Grackle> It has been a while since I fiddled with it, so I don't really recall what options I chose.
  • [21:40:37] <muriani> Hm, didn't try opie
  • [21:40:46] <muriani> I'm using an e17 image
  • [21:41:04] <djlewis> I hate network hiccup's.
  • [21:41:18] <muriani> djlewis: yeah, those are a bitch
  • [21:41:50] <hous> whor can i find a chat for beginners in beagleboard
  • [21:41:52] <djlewis> Grackle: you are not the only narcissus disabled ;)
  • [21:42:19] <djlewis> i should say impaired.
  • [21:43:03] <Grackle> haha :)
  • [21:43:13] <muriani> I just assimilated all the knowledge from wiki and lurking in here into a working process in my head for setting it up :p
  • [21:43:40] <Grackle> I'm not really worrying about software much until I get a nice hardware platform set up
  • [21:44:02] * Grackle is slowly putting together a couple expansion boards for LCD and various stuff
  • [21:44:05] <muriani> bobkatzz had challenged me to set it up a) on the first try, and b) within half an hour
  • [21:44:41] <muriani> I had a couple of small oopses with uboot at first, but after that it went no problem.
  • [21:44:45] <muriani> took me 27 minutes :p
  • [21:45:49] <Grackle> Hah, it took me an hour or so to get everything sorted out, and when it finally booted I had to screw with usbnet so I could get synergy working (I had no USB hub or spare keyboard)
  • [21:46:39] <muriani> I had most everything prepared beforehand :p
  • [21:46:50] <muriani> serial console, SD cards, USB ethernet adapter, etc
  • [21:47:00] <muriani> did have to get a hub later
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  • [21:54:37] <djlewis> muriani: that was my challenge dude.
  • [21:56:08] <djlewis> sakoman: it is two sd's and I think the reader. I am working on rma's which are already ok'd.
  • [21:56:10] <muriani> djlewis: yours?
  • [21:56:19] <muriani> hrm
  • [21:56:27] <muriani> I remembered me and bobkatzz talking about it
  • [21:56:33] <djlewis> muriani: yes, I challenged you too :)
  • [21:56:36] <muriani> oh well, sorry man :p
  • [21:56:57] <djlewis> no prob, not worth mentioning really :P
  • [21:57:52] <djlewis> I tried it again after and had issues I didn't have time to struggle through.
  • [21:58:04] <muriani> hm
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  • [21:58:17] <muriani> well
  • [21:58:31] <muriani> I'll build another image tonight
  • [21:58:51] <djlewis> I'll figure it out one day. then it will change and I'll have to figure it out again..
  • [21:59:05] <muriani> I'm in the middle of a bit of rearrangement in the apartment, and my beagle-running apparatus is all not hooked up at the moment
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  • [22:02:38] <Grackle> muriani, that's part of the reason why I want to get my hardware all together. Having a single package I can hook up will be *very* helpful.
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  • [22:03:55] <muriani> Indeed.
  • [22:04:10] <muriani> yeah, like I said I had all but the hub beforehand
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  • [22:06:15] <muriani> I didn't get actual video out from the board until I brought it home from work though
  • [22:06:32] <muriani> hooked it up to the old NEC and BAM! beauty.
  • [22:06:37] <djlewis> I too ordered my acessories same date as BB and it all arrived within a couple days of each other.
  • [22:06:58] <djlewis> made it a more pleasurable experience :)
  • [22:06:59] <muriani> after poking around in uboot to enable s-video, rather
  • [22:07:02] <muriani> hehe
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