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  • [14:48:24] * Set by eFfeM on Fri Apr 03 01:09:07 CDT 2009
  • [14:48:43] <_koen_> XorA: recent uboot
  • [14:49:09] <XorA> u-boot only about a week old
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  • [14:53:56] * XorA also wishes he knew where his SD cards had dissapeared to
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  • [14:55:00] <_koen_> XorA: that should work
  • [14:55:18] <XorA> fsck, I found chaining hubs oops my kernel
  • [14:55:23] <_koen_> XorA: it might require permutations of booting with cable attached or not
  • [14:55:25] <XorA> stupid assed linux
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  • [14:56:25] * XorA is sure this OS gets buggier with time
  • [14:56:45] <mru> everything gets buggier with time
  • [14:57:11] <_koen_> especially organic stuff in a sunny spot
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  • [14:59:14] <XorA> _koen_: I think linux x86 most be really organic these days :-)
  • [14:59:28] <_koen_> :)
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  • [15:00:29] <XorA> bah I give up, Im gonna play WoW for a bit :-D
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  • [16:59:58] <luigi3> When I "bitbake linux-omap-2.6.28" from OE then look under "tmp/deploy" I find that it has built a uImage for both 2.6.28 and 2.6.29; Why?
  • [17:03:31] <Crofton> I am guessing the .28 kernel is from an earlier build
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  • [17:07:07] <luigi3> Nope! - First build.
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  • [17:09:20] <luigi3> In fact, the 2.6.29 uImage is dated a few minutes after than the 2.6.28
  • [17:09:50] <Crofton|work> weird
  • [17:10:37] <luigi3> Yea, makes the build take longer too
  • [17:10:52] <hrw> Crofton|work: 2.6.29 is default and got built
  • [17:12:06] <luigi3> So.... This is intentional?
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  • [17:13:06] <hrw> yes ;(
  • [17:13:34] <_koen_> there's no reason to use .28 nowadays
  • [17:13:48] <_koen_> unless you spent the weekend watching the back to the future trilogy
  • [17:14:16] <luigi3> So, then PM kernel is fixed in .29 now??
  • [17:14:58] <mru> reminds me, I need to find out what's causing the slowdown with .30-ish
  • [17:15:07] <_koen_> there is no PM worthwhile in .28, .29 or .30
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  • [17:15:26] <_koen_> mru: apart from the overlay optimizations?
  • [17:15:45] <mru> yes, apart from that
  • [17:15:48] <robinswan> I try to use .29 kernel, but the OTG driver is issuesed, today I drop back to .28, every thing work.
  • [17:15:54] <luigi3> koen: Wow! - how can you say that? I see major power reduction.
  • [17:16:20] <mru> the weekend just vanished somehow...
  • [17:16:41] <_koen_> robinswan: OTG works fine here with .29 (both on revB and revC)
  • [17:16:57] <_koen_> luigi3: if you want major power reduction you should use the -pm branch
  • [17:17:36] <luigi3> koen: "bitbake linux-omap-pm" fails to build.
  • [17:17:56] <robinswan> _koen_: .29 OTG driver can not detect keyboard and mouse.
  • [17:18:16] <_koen_> robinswan: it does over here (on both revB and revC)
  • [17:18:18] <robinswan> lsusb command return onthing.
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  • [17:19:54] <robinswan> Woow, my board is using TPF65930 not the beagleboard default deployment(65950). there is different between them ?
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  • [17:20:55] <luigi3> _koen_: can you reveal how to build linux-omap-pm ?
  • [17:21:48] <robinswan> I have tried prebuild uImage for revC, it work. but the uImage that I compiled is failed on OTG.:(
  • [17:21:58] <luigi3> I will give you a flux capacitor!
  • [17:22:04] <luigi3> For free.
  • [17:22:19] <_koen_> robinswan: "prebuilt for revC" is nonsense, all angstrom uimages work on both
  • [17:22:43] <_koen_> luigi3: building linux-omap-pm works in .dev for me, haven't tried in stable/2009
  • [17:24:39] <luigi3> _koen_: ok, how useable is .dev overall?
  • [17:24:49] <robinswan> _koen_: yes, but .29 uImage I compile from openembedded is issues. and I can not catch where is problem from kernel source :(
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  • [17:48:58] <av500> khasim: the slides to your tech seminar, will they be available afterwards?
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  • [18:18:38] <Crofton|work> er koen, can you translate?
  • [18:18:41] <Crofton|work> http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-543829/category/sp
  • [18:21:01] <Crofton> apparently he is developing a following
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  • [18:24:08] <likewise_> Crofton|work: tuning in
  • [18:24:10] <av500> Crofton: he says that he was out to buy a pack of cigs when he got into the bulk of the race ...
  • [18:24:31] <av500> .. .and endeed up in Verbier...
  • [18:24:56] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [18:25:23] <Crofton|work> apparently he is making a valiant effort to finish the Tour in last place
  • [18:27:17] <likewise_> and he had to to curse along the way because there where too many ppl holding him up, in front of him.
  • [18:28:04] <Crofton> likely fans in the road thinking the race is past :)
  • [18:28:05] <av500> Crofton: no chance to win the race when towing a trailer anyway...
  • [18:29:12] <av500> normally there is a max time to finish a lap, if you miss it, you get kicked out...
  • [18:29:50] <Crofton> I'm familiar with the rules
  • [18:30:15] <av500> ic, a fan :-)
  • [18:30:20] <Crofton> :)
  • [18:30:36] <av500> you came here 1 month early then :-)
  • [18:31:25] <Crofton> the pinmux stuff is seriously confusing
  • [18:32:34] <av500> hmm
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  • [18:34:58] <ds2> Pinmux stuff is not THAT confusing!
  • [18:35:10] <florian> re
  • [18:36:08] <ds2> the pinmux itself is pretty straight forward... it is the components that use it that are confusing and do screwy things (*ahem* McSPI *ahem*)
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  • [18:39:17] <ds2> if you see it otherwise, what exactly is confusing about the pinmux?
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  • [18:49:34] <luigi3> _koen_: I get the following error building linux-omap-pm from .dev:
  • [18:49:44] <luigi3> _koen_: ERROR: Error in executing: /home/jld/oebase/openembedded/recipes/linux/linux-omap-pm_2.6.29.bb ERROR: Exception:<type 'exceptions.OSError'> Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/jld/oebase/tmp/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-omap-2.6.29-r40/install/kernel-module-snd-soc-overo'
  • [18:51:18] <likewise_> av500, Crofton: the special thing is, the guy made it in time, while we were drinking a beer on the couch.
  • [18:52:29] <Crofton> right
  • [19:00:32] <av500> no beer, just lines of code...
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  • [19:50:26] <mru> anyone tried out gcc 2009q1 with proper hardfp abi yet?
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  • [19:53:43] <_koen_> mru: nope
  • [19:54:56] <mru> I finally got round to building a hardfp gcc+libc
  • [19:55:17] <_koen_> any secret tricks needed?
  • [19:56:01] <mru> not really
  • [19:56:13] <mru> if you can build a normal cross-toolchain, you can do this
  • [19:56:43] <_koen_> maybe I'll try to build such a thing with eglibc
  • [19:57:17] <mru> glibc seems to build
  • [19:57:24] <mru> don't know yet if it works
  • [19:57:59] <mru> at least none of the ffmpeg assembler code uses float arguments
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  • [20:09:20] <_av500_> mru: for the ignorant, what does hard fp give me?
  • [20:09:47] <_av500_> it uses the vfp directly?
  • [20:10:09] <mru> the new thing in 2009q1 is that it can pass float arguments in vfp registers
  • [20:10:16] <mru> and return values
  • [20:10:31] <mru> previously gcc only used softfloat calling convetions on arm
  • [20:10:48] <mru> and you know how costly vfp-to-arm transfers are
  • [20:10:50] <mru> on a8
  • [20:11:08] <_av500_> right
  • [20:11:55] <_av500_> and this hard vfp works with armmcc as well?
  • [20:12:05] <mru> it should
  • [20:14:32] <_av500_> but you couldnt mix hard and soft, or are there interworking stubs?
  • [20:14:49] <mru> you can't mix
  • [20:14:58] <mru> the linker throws an error if you try
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  • [20:15:20] <_av500_> it could marshall it :-)
  • [20:15:31] <mru> no
  • [20:15:46] <mru> the linker doesn't know what the arguments are
  • [20:16:30] <_av500_> jsut that they dont match...
  • [20:16:51] <mru> the compiler puts a tag in the elf header indicating the abi used
  • [20:17:01] <mru> the linker refuses to link mismatching objects
  • [20:17:20] <mru> try readelf -a on a random object file
  • [20:17:27] <_av500_> ah these linkers, ever so strict
  • [20:17:43] <mru> I'd rather have linker error than mysterious errors
  • [20:17:47] <mru> at runtime
  • [20:17:49] <_av500_> :)
  • [20:18:01] <mru> you can of course defeat it if you insist
  • [20:18:11] <mru> you can delete the attributes section
  • [20:18:15] <_av500_> btw, what is your pick, gccs faults or kernels?
  • [20:18:31] <mru> the null pointer?
  • [20:18:36] <_av500_> yep
  • [20:18:46] <mru> have to see the code in detail first
  • [20:19:09] <mru> I spent most of weekend away from computer
  • [20:19:22] <_av500_> foo x = y->a
  • [20:19:33] <_av500_> if (!y) return einval
  • [20:20:00] <_av500_> gcc omits the if() due to y must be !NULL
  • [20:20:16] <mru> yeah, I gathered as much
  • [20:20:21] <mru> which function is this in?
  • [20:20:30] <_av500_> no idea
  • [20:20:40] <_av500_> this is the bit i remembered
  • [20:22:21] <janneg> somewhere in the tun driver
  • [20:23:00] <_av500_> i gues it works because the kernel can reference 0
  • [20:23:37] <_av500_> or not?
  • [20:24:28] <janneg> it was only exploitable since memory was mapped to 0x0
  • [20:24:50] <_av500_> or you had a crash before, but now an exploit
  • [20:24:57] <mru> found the code
  • [20:25:05] <mru> tun_chr_poll()
  • [20:25:07] <janneg> under normal situations a null pointer dereference causes an oops
  • [20:25:49] <mru> does the so-called exploit map something at address 0 first?
  • [20:26:25] <_av500_> from user space?
  • [20:27:34] <ds> anyone know what "omapdss DISPC error: OCP_ERR" means with DSS2?
  • [20:27:38] <janneg> yes, and even selinux didn't prevent it
  • [20:28:02] <mru> I read some claim that selinux even made it easier
  • [20:35:36] <mru> anyway, there is clearly a bug in the kernel code
  • [20:35:47] <janneg> iirc it allows ordinary users to override mmap_min_addr
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  • [20:36:53] <mru> "optimising" out the null check is probably valid
  • [20:37:21] <mru> but it's very sloppy of the gcc devs to sneak in such optimisations and enabling them by default
  • [20:37:31] <mru> without so much as a warning
  • [20:37:46] <mru> this isn't the first time that very optimisation has caused trouble
  • [20:37:54] <mru> remember the pld thing a few months ago?
  • [20:38:39] <janneg> dereferencing a NULL pointer is undefined so the compiler is free to do what it likes
  • [20:39:10] <mru> I know that
  • [20:39:34] <janneg> someone claimed that gcc does this optimization for more than iirc 15 years
  • [20:39:37] <mru> but adding such an optimisation can have, as we've seen, drastic consequences
  • [20:40:00] <mru> well, something changed in 4.3
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  • [20:42:40] <_av500_> mru: how would you rate newca brown from 0 to 10 :)
  • [20:42:58] <mru> ?
  • [20:43:09] <mru> oh, the beer
  • [20:43:13] <_av500_> yep
  • [20:43:21] <mru> somewhere in the middle
  • [20:43:32] <mru> I don't usually drink it
  • [20:45:13] <_av500_> froscon is a go?
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  • [20:46:19] <mru> attila forwarded me an email from them requesting some information, asked me to reply
  • [20:46:38] <mru> it wasn't clear what they were asking for, and I've not yet received a reply to my query
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  • [21:02:18] <bobkatzz> koen: ping
  • [21:02:32] <bobkatzz> Crofton
  • [21:02:32] <shell_> bobkatzz: pong
  • [21:02:47] <bobkatzz> hey shell_ (?)
  • [21:03:01] <bobkatzz> Crofton|work: ping
  • [21:03:29] <bobkatzz> Wed is "case cuttin' day"
  • [21:03:56] <bobkatzz> anyone need anything cut out I've unlimited time on my buddie's CNC machine
  • [21:04:32] <bobkatzz> just get me the specs some time in the next 24 hours and I'll do a Rhino dwg
  • [21:04:47] <Crofton> pong
  • [21:06:38] <bobkatzz> I've got .080", .125", and I think 3/16" AL, .125" Dibond (a "sandwich" of AL, polypropylene and then another AL)
  • [21:07:10] <bobkatzz> and assorted ply, and 3/4" bamboo
  • [21:09:27] <ds2> whooo rhino, metal, and CNC... now that's my kind of case :D
  • [21:11:03] <bobkatzz> I have cases for the BeagleBrick, the "no-solder" SDR Crystal Radio and assorted other projects that I've been prparing for a cut dayyeah I think the acrylic ones are kewl too - but for RF you have to create a "Faraday Cage" so - gotta have metal
  • [21:11:23] <ds2> indeed
  • [21:11:28] <ds2> plus acrylic is a pain to machine
  • [21:11:51] <bobkatzz> you need an up-cut twin helix bit
  • [21:12:03] <bobkatzz> then it's fine - just can't go too fast
  • [21:12:04] <ds2> not just the cutter
  • [21:12:23] <ds2> acrylic likes shattering so your work holding needs to be pretty ridgid
  • [21:12:32] <ds2> that makes it difficult to do think profiles
  • [21:12:39] <Crofton|work> s o the trick to setting up MCSPI is to configure all the pins as inputs?
  • [21:13:07] <Crofton|work> well set input_enable
  • [21:13:11] <ds2> Crofton|work: maybe if I am reading you correctly
  • [21:13:26] <Crofton|work> I am trying to match the u-boot working config
  • [21:13:34] <ds2> yeah, be sure input is enabled... but you will also need to enable the output driver on the clock and the MOSI like
  • [21:13:51] <Crofton|work> how do you enable the output driver?
  • [21:13:58] <bjdooks_> I need to think about setting up some SPI stuffs to test my KS8851 driver
  • [21:14:03] <ds2> let megethe exactdefines... one sec
  • [21:14:19] <bobkatzz> sakoman: ping
  • [21:14:21] <Crofton|work> I think setting stuff to 0 does that
  • [21:14:27] <Crofton|work> #define OMAP34XX_PIN_OUTPUT 0
  • [21:15:58] <ds2> or it OMAP34XX_PIN_OUTPUT
  • [21:16:01] <bobkatzz> ok - gotta make a "pik up de wifey" run bbl
  • [21:16:17] <ds2> when you define the MUX() macro, make sure the you have that OR'ed in
  • [21:16:18] <bobkatzz> that's wif-ey not wi-fi :)
  • [21:16:24] <ds2> though 0 doesn't quite seem right
  • [21:17:12] <ds2> hmmm ah I see
  • [21:17:39] <ds2> I think by default it is enabled unless you & with ~that
  • [21:18:36] <sakoman> bobkatzz: pong
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  • [21:21:03] <ds2> hey sakoman, are things cooler in your area today?
  • [21:21:21] <sakoman> sadly, no. still hot as hell
  • [21:21:49] <ds2> oh... so is a coastal thing not the hot front receding... oh well
  • [21:21:51] <bobkatzz> sakoman: gotta go pick up my wife but will be back in an hour - will you still be around then?
  • [21:22:04] <sakoman> bobkatzz: yes
  • [21:22:12] <bobkatzz> kewl see yay then
  • [21:22:16] <bobkatzz> ya
  • [21:22:16] <sakoman> ds2: 112F right now
  • [21:22:53] <ds2> yikes
  • [21:23:01] <ds2> it is merely 90ish at the moment
  • [21:23:09] <sakoman> ds2: normal night-time lows this time of year are low to mid 60's
  • [21:23:23] <sakoman> today's low was 75F
  • [21:23:36] <sakoman> so we are running about 10 degrees hotter than normal
  • [21:24:15] <Crofton|work> looks likes we will have a hi of 70 today ....
  • [21:24:28] <sakoman> and that 10 degrees is the difference between hot and miserably hot!
  • [21:24:28] <ds2> sakoman: what dominates the weather in you area? I think my area is switching between overflow from the central valley and the coastal fog/pacific
  • [21:24:40] <ds2> toasty and extra crispy ;)
  • [21:24:52] <Crofton|work> sakoman, yikes
  • [21:25:19] <sakoman> wind direction -- wind from the north = hot, wind from the south = cooling delta influence
  • [21:27:22] <sakoman> Crofton|work: has your buddy made it up to my area yet?
  • [21:28:39] <Crofton|work> he should be close
  • [21:28:46] <Crofton|work> not 100% certain where you are :)
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  • [21:29:16] <Crofton|work> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=101521096530279421199.0004682835ee0cef7a537&z=4
  • [21:29:22] <ds2> he's west of the sierra/cascades and north of the SAC river... ;)
  • [21:29:49] <Crofton|work> looks like he will be in Oregon soon
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  • [21:49:02] <sakoman> Crofton|work: wow, he is really making good progress
  • [21:49:14] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:49:17] <sakoman> he passed just east of me a few days back
  • [21:49:19] <Crofton|work> he is a bad ass :)
  • [21:49:39] <sakoman> I'm due west of Lassen Park
  • [21:49:52] <sakoman> about a half hour drive
  • [21:50:22] <sakoman> We're heading up there tomorrow or Wednesday to see if we can find some snow to hike in :-)
  • [21:50:34] <sakoman> A nice change from 112F :-)
  • [21:51:18] <Crofton|work> awesoem
  • [21:51:31] <Crofton|work> I guess he is north of you now then?
  • [21:51:56] <sakoman> Yeah, looking closer he passed us around July 12/13
  • [21:52:05] <Crofton|work> He's been complaining about mosquitos
  • [21:52:26] <ds2> sakoman: head for the summit and camp there ;)
  • [21:52:35] <sakoman> We haven't had any mosquitos in months! way too hot & dry
  • [21:52:48] <sakoman> ds2: have you ever done the summit climb?
  • [21:53:26] <sakoman> My wife & I have - it's quite a hike
  • [21:54:01] <ds2> sakoman: yes
  • [21:54:02] <sakoman> Not too many people try it so the trail isn't crowded at all
  • [21:54:12] <ds2> it was crowded when i tried it
  • [21:54:22] <sakoman> We always go mid-week
  • [21:54:48] <ds2> being used to a nice oxygenated air at 200ft... I was getting passed left and right at above the treeline
  • [21:54:58] <Crofton|work> http://pastebin.ca/1501398
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  • [21:55:02] <Crofton|work> how does this look?
  • [21:56:00] <sakoman> ds2: what time of year did you do it?
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  • [21:56:18] <ds2> Crofton|work: it looks incomplete
  • [21:56:25] <ds2> sakoman: laborday weekend
  • [21:56:33] <ds2> about 10 years ago
  • [21:56:57] <sakoman> ah, no wonder it was crowded!
  • [21:57:12] <ds2> the last time I was in that area, it wasn't crowded but i went on an unexpected 10mile hike :(
  • [21:57:25] <sakoman> took a wrong turn?
  • [21:58:05] <ds2> yeah, rather then doing just hte first half and looping back, i jointed up with another trail that goes through the bubbling mud after getting lost in the meadow
  • [21:59:03] <ds2> sakoman: that last trip wasn't during laborday weekend but it was still pretty crowded... I didn't do the summit trail though
  • [21:59:04] <sakoman> ah, so you did the Bumpass Hell trail?
  • [21:59:25] <ds2> that sounds right
  • [21:59:28] <Crofton|work> in the sense that I have not set any pins yet?
  • [21:59:30] <Crofton|work> I know that
  • [21:59:34] <Crofton|work> gotta run bbl
  • [21:59:36] <ds2> except I took it from the campsite
  • [21:59:48] <ds2> Crofton|work: you have more enum entries then you have MUX() entries
  • [22:00:02] <Crofton|work> well, give me time :)
  • [22:00:26] <ds2> the order is sensitive so missing entries is an invitiation for surprising behavior
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  • [22:15:04] <luigi3> ERROR: Error in executing: /home/jld/oebase/openembedded/recipes/linux/linux-omap-pm_2.6.29.bb ERROR: Exception:<type 'exceptions.OSError'> Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/jld/oebase/tmp/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-omap-2.6.29-r40/install/kernel-module-snd-soc-overo'
  • [22:15:49] <luigi3> Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
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  • [23:25:53] <thaytan> hi all
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  • [23:41:43] <bobkatzz> thaytan? are you a Scientologist?
  • [23:42:19] <bobkatzz> sakoman: ping
  • [23:43:11] <thaytan> nope!
  • [23:43:23] <thaytan> I was going to ask about getting the omapfb console to work in angstrom
  • [23:43:47] <thaytan> but it turns out that I just needed to use the 2.6.28 kernel instead of the 2.6.29 one
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  • [23:46:04] <bobkatzz> hey djlewis!
  • [23:46:52] <bobkatzz> ds2 ping
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  • [23:49:04] <bobkatzz> CruNcher: deadline? (hence cruncher)
  • [23:49:56] <bobkatzz> CruNcher: when are we going to have an OE Workshop in the Mtns?
  • [23:50:14] <bobkatzz> I can supply the Bluegrass musicians :)
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