• [00:06:31] <carlnorum> Hi archae0pteryx, thanks but I'm not using Linux, we're working on getting the BeagleBoard working with UEFI/Edk2 as a reference platform.
  • [00:06:48] <carlnorum> So I'm looking for what the requirements are for the actual register accesses.
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  • [00:15:53] <carlnorum> And the answer is, there needs to be some delay between the writes
  • [00:16:01] <carlnorum> don't know how long, exactly, but a debug log did it.
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  • [00:16:07] <carlnorum> And so we continue.....
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  • [01:05:47] <bobkatzz> I don't think I have a valid copy of hamlib_1.2.9.bb
  • [01:06:04] <bobkatzz> and not sure where it is available from
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  • [01:11:51] <bobkatzz> hey
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  • [01:17:38] <JoeSchmo> has anyone managed to get opengl acceleration in qte 4.5.x?
  • [01:18:14] <JoeSchmo> i'm browsing through the OE repo looking for some hints, i've been hitting a brick wall with TIs SDK for days
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  • [01:20:34] <JoeSchmo> i could live with getting it to work through kdrive or even directfb
  • [01:22:30] <ZeZu> hey JoeSchmo
  • [01:22:34] <JoeSchmo> hey
  • [01:22:47] <ZeZu> lfs on beagle?
  • [01:22:56] <JoeSchmo> not quite
  • [01:23:07] <ZeZu> I did, but got a kernel panic about init
  • [01:23:29] <ZeZu> then got bored and used angstrom for a while
  • [01:23:35] <JoeSchmo> me & a friend are designing something using the OMAP3530, the beagle is a cheaper EVM till we manage to get our board made
  • [01:23:51] <ZeZu> definitely
  • [01:24:01] <JoeSchmo> after that it'll make a nice media center hot glued to the back of my tv, rotfl
  • [01:24:37] <ZeZu> well it has some pitfalls there, but its nice
  • [01:24:55] <JoeSchmo> should do fine for dvd quality stuff
  • [01:25:00] <ZeZu> yes
  • [01:25:21] <JoeSchmo> if i can manage to figure out how to take advantage of the hardware decoding i can probably push it up even farther, if i dont loose my mind first
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  • [01:26:16] <ZeZu> for sure , ti-codecs works pretty well for what it supports
  • [01:26:35] <ZeZu> and i think some of these guys have a neon accelerated version of mplayer
  • [01:26:58] <JoeSchmo> ooo, that would be helpful
  • [01:27:21] <ZeZu> never tried that myself, dsp sure seems like the way to go .. i got dspbridge working but never played with it much afterwards
  • [01:28:02] <JoeSchmo> i'm doing everything from scratch
  • [01:28:09] <JoeSchmo> i've got my own x-load / uboot / kernel goin and almost 100% working
  • [01:28:35] <JoeSchmo> if i want a usb device to work i need to power on with it connected, otherwise i can see it, though its not a huge priority for me to fix atm
  • [01:29:32] <JoeSchmo> my last task before i go back to it is trying to get some decent graphics performance if i can, i want to design a custom interface in Qt if i can
  • [01:29:37] <ZeZu> I've heard of similar problems, i never used many usb devices with beagle, only g_ether
  • [01:29:55] <ZeZu> pandora is 3530 and has all sorts of usb issues
  • [01:30:18] <ZeZu> at least with the dev board i have, and only likes usb 2.0 hs
  • [01:30:43] <JoeSchmo> i know that the kernel provided with the angstrom demo image worked fine for me for the hour or so that i ran it, so there's hope
  • [01:31:09] <ZeZu> graphics performance = I've gotten some reasonable 3d performance out of the sgx, but its really not so hot for a ton of 2d stuff .. rather use the arm core for that
  • [01:31:27] <JoeSchmo> so i've read
  • [01:32:04] <JoeSchmo> i'm trying to get opengl es accelerated surfaces using the libraries provided by TI, but its proving to be a lot harder then i thought
  • [01:32:27] <ZeZu> hmm, with or without X ?
  • [01:32:50] <JoeSchmo> Qt Embedded, straight on the framebuffer is what i would like to do
  • [01:33:06] <ZeZu> well
  • [01:33:08] <JoeSchmo> i'm not married to any setup, if I have to i'll use X and write my own widget library to conserve memory
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  • [01:33:37] <ZeZu> I'd recommend using the gles libs meant to be used without X, and init egl in that manner
  • [01:33:47] <JoeSchmo> just trying to find something that works well
  • [01:34:05] <ZeZu> I dont see why it wouldn't play nice with Qt as long as gles is not initialized while you want the UI visible
  • [01:34:13] <ZeZu> I've not played w/ Qt embedded for more than 5mins
  • [01:34:23] <ZeZu> I have some code for egl w/o X if you'd like
  • [01:34:40] <JoeSchmo> i'll gladly take a look and see if it does what i want
  • [01:35:53] <JoeSchmo> qt embedded provides a powervr gfx driver, i just cant get it to compile
  • [01:36:09] <JoeSchmo> right now its only in their git tree, but it should be in the 4.5.2 release
  • [01:36:13] <ZeZu> hmm
  • [01:36:17] <JoeSchmo> pvrqwswsegl.c:53: error: 'WSEGL_CAP_WINDOWS_USE_MBX_SYNC' undeclared here (not in a function)
  • [01:36:17] <JoeSchmo> pvrqwswsegl.c:54: error: 'WSEGL_CAP_PIXMAPS_USE_MBX_SYNC' undeclared here (not in a function)
  • [01:36:23] <JoeSchmo> i cant seem to find those 2 definitions anywhere
  • [01:36:27] <ZeZu> I've not heard anything about it
  • [01:37:12] <JoeSchmo> i managed to find wsegl.h and pvr2d.h (i know, arm core is faster)
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  • [01:38:09] <JoeSchmo> from what i read the driver was written for the TI OMAP series, but I cant find what provides those defs anywhere
  • [01:40:05] <ZeZu> ok
  • [01:40:16] <ZeZu> this is one ugly mess really
  • [01:40:18] <ZeZu> http://pastebin.com/m7aed74b3
  • [01:40:52] <ZeZu> note in InitRenderer() :
  • [01:41:06] <ZeZu> #if (HOST_OS == OS_LINUX) && (HOST_CPU == CPU_ARM)
  • [01:41:20] <ZeZu> just follow as if both are defined ..
  • [01:41:56] <ZeZu> actually looks like you can disregard, that is long gone and does nothing now
  • [01:42:02] <JoeSchmo> are those includes for X up on the top just for your test env?
  • [01:42:55] <ZeZu> they are for X but ignored for ARM since i wasn't using X
  • [01:43:21] <ZeZu> and of course there are other things you can disregard in the init .. like shaders and tileaccel init
  • [01:43:53] <JoeSchmo> yea, still, this gives me some stuff to test, much appreciated
  • [01:44:16] <ZeZu> no prob, with egl initialized like that you should definitely get some output
  • [01:44:38] <JoeSchmo> it never even occurred to me that I could use opengl without X or some sort of frame buffer driver
  • [01:45:01] <ZeZu> well normally its a pain and you'd have to go through directfb/sdl to try it
  • [01:45:09] <ZeZu> but with egl/gles its possible
  • [01:46:37] <ZeZu> i'm headed out, i'm normally idle around here somewhere if you have any questions feel free to pm
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  • [01:46:50] <JoeSchmo> resolution wise, i'm assuming if i set my frame buffer for 320 x 240 this will keep that resolution?
  • [01:47:12] <JoeSchmo> the info i just got from you should keep me busy for the better part of a week trying stuff, haha
  • [01:48:15] <ZeZu> hmm i think it will keep the current resolution yes
  • [01:48:27] <ZeZu> you'll just need to setup the viewport
  • [01:49:28] <JoeSchmo> right
  • [01:49:35] <JoeSchmo> i'll have to experiment a bit
  • [01:50:01] <JoeSchmo> i appreciate the info, thanks
  • [01:50:21] <ZeZu> yep, well ttyl, let me know how it turns out
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  • [04:35:40] <mib_2o8t40> how i can re-flash xloader
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  • [04:50:14] <mib_2o8t40> how i can re-flash xloader
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  • [04:58:55] <niral> download normal.scr from http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation and rename it to boot.scr
  • [04:59:26] <niral> than put your new xloader in mmc and boot it from mmc holding user button
  • [05:00:30] <jipi> if you can get into u-boot can just flash it from u-boot
  • [05:02:32] <jipi> if you compile your xloader, remember to sign it with signGP
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  • [05:09:32] <sh23> is anyone using sakoman's u-boot on a evm? does ethernet work?
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  • [07:38:03] <Ohne> hi i want to connect an dvi monitor to the board with an usual hdmi to dvi-d adapter but is there anything special i have to watch out for??? has anyone ever tried?
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  • [07:39:25] <Ohne> i found some stuff with framebuffer rate witch needs to be configured but if im honest i dont really understand that
  • [07:39:44] <Ohne> i mean the values for the rate
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  • [08:12:35] <mib_uhha5c> how to reflash x-loader
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  • [08:16:12] <recalcati> I copy it on sd card and boot from it
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  • [08:25:53] <niral> hello
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  • [08:58:06] <hrw> morning
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  • [09:03:09] <janrinze> morning
  • [09:05:04] <niral> morning guys
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  • [09:05:32] <Vincent2> Hi :)
  • [09:06:20] <Vincent2> Does anyone knows if there is somewhere a downloadable angstrom filesystem with built-in libgles ?
  • [09:06:23] <niral> how to set l2 cache as write back not write though...?
  • [09:07:21] <koen> Vincent2: the license of libgles doesn't permit that
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  • [09:08:28] <Vincent2> mmmh ok .. koen .. this means I have to rebuild it myself ?
  • [09:08:41] <gisborne> Simple question google doesn't want to answer for me: flash video (eg Hulu)?
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  • [09:10:08] <koen> Vincent2: there's no source, so nothing to rebuild
  • [09:10:17] <koen> Vincent2: you can have OE generate a package for you, though
  • [09:11:04] <Vincent2> ok, I got the link for that . Thanks koen
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  • [10:11:26] <gnokii2> hello
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  • [10:12:56] <gnokii> hello again
  • [10:13:07] <gnokii> search for help
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  • [10:15:06] <gnokii> anyone alive here?
  • [10:15:17] <janrinze> yes
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  • [10:15:27] <janrinze> hmm..
  • [10:15:32] <adj> no, all dead. We're just zombies
  • [10:15:49] <janrinze> yep.. and practicing voodoo..
  • [10:15:54] <gnokii> wait then i must come with tor :D
  • [10:16:11] <gnokii> i have read beagleboard is coming to LinuxTag
  • [10:16:23] <janrinze> bring goats and chicken .. ;-)
  • [10:16:25] <gnokii> i search for an contact
  • [10:16:34] <janrinze> don't we all ..
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  • [10:17:11] <gnokii> ?
  • [10:18:41] <janrinze> sorry.. just joking..
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  • [10:19:26] <janrinze> what are you looking for?
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  • [10:21:24] <gnokii> i am an editor for radiotux i search for persons there are present in berlin
  • [10:21:42] <janrinze> that's a long way from home for me..
  • [10:22:11] <janrinze> guess i should google radiotux..
  • [10:22:13] <gnokii> i cant find an contact adress on beagleboard.org
  • [10:22:25] <gnokii> google for what?
  • [10:22:33] <janrinze> radiotux
  • [10:23:09] <gnokii> and then?
  • [10:23:24] <janrinze> because i did not know what it was..
  • [10:23:40] <janrinze> looks interesting.
  • [10:24:00] <gnokii> its an radio
  • [10:24:28] <janrinze> so you want to contact the people who go to Linuxtag in Berlin. right..
  • [10:24:37] <gnokii> yeah thats right
  • [10:24:42] <janrinze> maybe koen is going?
  • [10:25:18] <janrinze> koen: do you know who is going to Berlin?
  • [10:25:49] <Crofton|work> I ma
  • [10:25:51] <Crofton|work> am
  • [10:26:13] <janrinze> maybe you can enlighten gnokii?
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  • [10:26:40] <gnokii> yeah that would be great
  • [10:26:50] * zuh never realised the 'Tag' in the name wasn't english :)
  • [10:26:53] <Crofton|work> what is the qiestion
  • [10:27:30] <gnokii> LinuxTag is an trademark ;)
  • [10:28:05] <gnokii> Crofton|work i look after a person for an interview about beagleboard
  • [10:28:36] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [10:28:48] <Crofton|work> TI will also have a booth
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  • [10:28:56] <Crofton|work> I'll be at the openmebedded booth
  • [10:29:08] <Crofton|work> do you need someone who speaks German?
  • [10:29:28] <gnokii> German ist preferred but english goes to
  • [10:29:53] <Crofton|work> I'm only English :(
  • [10:30:15] <gnokii> thats ok, we can make it in english
  • [10:30:15] <Crofton|work> I'm sure there will be a German speaker though
  • [10:30:55] <Crofton|work> well, if you can't find someone more interesting, look for me
  • [10:31:56] <gnokii> Crofton|work how can i find a guy. I cant find an mailadress on the websites only the headline - we goes to LinuxTag
  • [10:32:17] <Crofton|work> post to the beagle list
  • [10:32:27] <Crofton|work> I know some more people are going
  • [10:33:33] <gnokii> Crofton|work you dont like to make this interview?
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  • [10:33:58] <Crofton|work> I'm not sure I want to be famous :)
  • [10:34:03] <Crofton|work> who is it for?
  • [10:34:13] <janrinze> if koen is going he might be willing..
  • [10:34:38] <Crofton|work> gnokii, I need to go soon, put tsomething on the list and I'll respond
  • [10:34:51] <Crofton|work> and maybe some other people, then you can chose :)
  • [10:34:57] <janrinze> koen knows a lot about the beagleboard and has been involved for a long time.
  • [10:35:10] <gnokii> whats the adress for the list?
  • [10:35:41] <gnokii> when koen its the right guy, then i wish to contact him directly
  • [10:35:54] <Crofton|work> beagleboard@googlegroups.com
  • [10:36:13] <jpirko> anyone using usb y-cable to for powering beagle?
  • [10:37:33] <janrinze> does not work?
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  • [10:37:59] <adj> why y-cable? those cables are evil
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  • [10:41:45] <gnokii> Crofton|work how can i find contact to koen
  • [10:41:54] <hrw> gnokii: /msg koen
  • [10:42:13] <hrw> gnokii: or mailto:koen@openembedded.org
  • [10:42:32] <gnokii> the second was the right ;)
  • [10:43:18] <gnokii> thx that was all, i am happy now
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  • [10:44:39] <niral> what is the latest kernel with dss2 and video resolution more than vga?any idea guys?
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  • [10:45:05] <niral> git path ?
  • [10:45:23] <janrinze> niral: the 2.6.29 kernels i tried all have capabilities beyond vga...
  • [10:45:44] <janrinze> dss2 however.. no idea..
  • [10:46:50] <hrw> niral: use OE?
  • [10:46:57] <niral> where did u find them?the one taken from http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
  • [10:46:59] <niral> ?
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  • [10:47:39] <niral> is dss2 is reuired to have more than vga resolution?
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  • [10:48:49] <janrinze> probably dss1 should suffice
  • [10:48:54] <hrw> niral: OE applies over hundred patches to linux-omap kernel..
  • [10:49:13] <niral> janrinze/hrw:can u please give m path?actually i want to have more than vga resolution on LCD and also neon+vfp fixes
  • [10:49:27] <janrinze> hrw: they really should get them upstream..
  • [10:51:08] <hrw> janrinze: I will not be surprised if most of them are on a way to
  • [10:51:18] <hrw> janrinze: part of patches is dss2 etc
  • [10:51:44] <hrw> niral: use OE to build kernel then. It is too long story to describe how to build OE kernel without OE
  • [10:51:51] <janrinze> hrw: good.. i really prefer to download kernels from kernel.org :-)
  • [10:52:26] <ssvb> hrw: building kernel without OE is simple as soon as you apply all the needed patches :)
  • [10:52:52] <hrw> ssvb: especially when you manually recreate order of them and fetch them by hand etc
  • [10:53:16] <ssvb> hrw: I did that, was not a bit problem
  • [10:53:23] <niral> any where tar ball present?path?
  • [10:53:49] <ssvb> niral: the patches are in OE git repository
  • [10:55:12] <ssvb> niral: it's here, don't have web interface at hand: git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded
  • [10:55:30] <niral> what is the differnce between kernel code of OE and kenrel.org?
  • [10:55:48] <hrw> niral: ~170 patches is difference
  • [10:56:00] <ssvb> they use linux-omap kernel as a base, and then apply quite a number of patches
  • [10:56:27] <niral> who OE?
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  • [10:56:49] <janrinze> hrw: a tarball with the patches for the 'default' kernel on kernel.org would be a nice way for me to start..
  • [10:57:35] <janrinze> also just received a XScale netbook so i have plenty of toys around a.t.m. ;-)
  • [10:57:57] <ssvb> no offense to anyone, but not providing a source tarball along with the kernel binary somehow goes against the spirit of GPL
  • [10:58:07] <hrw> janrinze: xscale? not kirkwood or imx51?
  • [10:58:08] <ssvb> if it is even not a mild violation...
  • [10:58:26] <hrw> ssvb: we provide sources and patches for everyone
  • [10:58:28] <ogra> ssvb, where does the GPL talk about tar ?
  • [10:58:32] <janrinze> hrw: i got it from someone who did not know what to do with it..
  • [10:58:52] <hrw> janrinze: psion?
  • [10:59:03] <janrinze> hrw: so no great specs.. 416MHz and 64MB (NPX-9000)
  • [10:59:12] <ssvb> hrw: yes, I know, though the way of getting them is a bit obfuscated :)
  • [10:59:46] <hrw> janrinze: npx-9000 is not mips?
  • [11:00:06] <hrw> janrinze: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149314
  • [11:00:12] <janrinze> hrw: apparently they have 2 versions.. one with MIPS and one with XScale..
  • [11:00:22] <ogra> hrw, it is
  • [11:00:45] <hrw> janrinze: I see now
  • [11:00:50] <ssvb> ogra: the part about "Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code ..."
  • [11:01:00] <janrinze> the ones with XScale are even harder to get apparently..
  • [11:01:10] <niral> ssvb:i am behind proxy ...so i think git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded is not workin....
  • [11:01:22] <ogra> ssvb, and can you point me to the sentence that says it needs to be in tarball form ?
  • [11:01:46] <hrw> janrinze: hardcore device
  • [11:01:57] <janrinze> hrw: indeed.. :-)
  • [11:02:02] <ssvb> ogra: I just said that OE goes agains the spirit of GPL, not the letter, and it is only my humble opinion :)
  • [11:02:29] <niral> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-omap
  • [11:02:33] <niral> is this the one?
  • [11:02:35] <ogra> ssvb, it provides the changes to the source code in a macine readable form, publically downloadable
  • [11:02:45] <ssvb> ogra: how hard would it be to pack a tarball and put for download along with the demo image kernel binary?
  • [11:02:56] <hrw> ssvb: GPL says (in short): give the rights which you got. we got sources/patches, we give sources/patches. nothing about 'you need to give sources/patches on DVD delivered by halfnaked celebrities'
  • [11:03:18] <ogra> hrw, wouldnt be a bad addition indeed *g*
  • [11:03:22] <hrw> niral: one of but thats old dir
  • [11:03:28] <adj> ssvb: ah, but OE doesn't even provide you kernel binaries
  • [11:04:25] <janrinze> hrw: the thing about those half naked celebrities sounds appealing.. can we choose?
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  • [11:04:35] <niral> hrw:than for latest what should i do ?
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  • [11:05:00] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [11:05:06] <florian> hi jkridner|work
  • [11:05:11] <bepaks> hello there.
  • [11:05:29] <adj> niral: why don't you just use OE to fetch the correct kernel source and let it do the hard work?
  • [11:05:57] <hrw> niral: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.29 + http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap + linux-omap* files from http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/
  • [11:06:12] <hrw> adj: people like to reinvent wheel
  • [11:06:16] <hrw> hi jkridner
  • [11:06:17] <ogra> ssvb, i dont think anyone will stop you to roll one if you feel like
  • [11:06:30] <ssvb> niral: you can take a working 2.6.28 kernel here: http://siarhei.siamashka.name/gitweb/?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/beagle
  • [11:06:38] <ssvb> niral: that's what I'm using myself
  • [11:06:47] <ssvb> niral: works pretty stable
  • [11:07:22] <niral> with video resolution and vfp+neon patchs?
  • [11:07:46] <janrinze> i use a OE 2.6.29 kernel but prefer the 'roll your own' to play and experiment..
  • [11:07:59] <ssvb> niral: it's kind of close to angstrom 2.6.28 demo image kernel
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  • [11:08:36] <ssvb> niral: dss2 with up to 1280x1024 resolution support, neon bugfix is in the bootloader in not in the kernel I believe
  • [11:08:57] <priyanka> has anebody tried compiling moblin's mid browser for beagle
  • [11:09:01] <ssvb> so you need to get a recent u-boot too
  • [11:09:17] <niral> ya i am using it
  • [11:13:12] <ssvb> hrw: some people do not like to use some kind of bloatware to just get the damn sources :)
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  • [11:15:27] <ssvb> niral: what kind of rootfs/distribution are you going to use?
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  • [11:16:36] <niral> angstom
  • [11:17:07] <ssvb> hmm, it this case you are better to listen to hrw and the other OE guys :)
  • [11:17:15] <ssvb> *in
  • [11:18:16] <niral> hmm
  • [11:18:26] <hrw> ssvb: sure, but they are free to fetch patches from any other sources
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  • [11:18:48] <hrw> ssvb: or even use plain linux-omap ones
  • [11:19:21] <ssvb> hrw: I tried this first as you may guess :)
  • [11:19:42] <ssvb> there must be a reason why angstrom applies that huge set of patches
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  • [11:20:36] <ssvb> I was a bit annoyed to have to spend a few hours trying to figure out where to get the sources of that nice kernel image that just works :)
  • [11:21:16] <janrinze> ssvb: handhelds.org has been in the same position for many years..
  • [11:22:15] <koen> hrw: FWIW, every patch used in the linux-omap recipe is from subsystem mailinglists (minus DSS2 patches, but those are on their way to upstream as well)
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  • [11:23:09] <koen> ssvb: if I would put up all the patches for download I'd violate the GPL, since I have to provide the buildscripts used as well
  • [11:23:11] <hrw> koen: people always will complain
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  • [11:23:36] <koen> ssvb: so I don't want to do the work twice, so the patches are in OE (which is the 'buildscript')
  • [11:23:51] <koen> ssvb: thanks for the firefox patch, btw
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  • [11:30:17] <davidcb> koen: I have Irrlicht 3D running on the Beagle board.
  • [11:30:24] <koen> davidcb: awesome!
  • [11:30:31] <koen> davidcb: gles1.1 or gles2?
  • [11:30:59] <koen> davidcb: you're hybrid[at]users[.]sourceforge[.]net ?
  • [11:31:06] <davidcb> koen: 1.1
  • [11:31:19] <davidcb> No, dbatzle@dcbcyber.com
  • [11:31:26] <davidcb> doh
  • [11:31:39] <koen> davidcb: ah, I got confused by http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/contest#Irrlicht :)
  • [11:32:03] <koen> ah, you're the revolt dude
  • [11:32:19] <davidcb> koen: I hadn't seen that yet.
  • [11:33:21] <davidcb> koen: I just need to fix a problem with textures then I'll give a recipe back.
  • [11:34:15] <davidcb> koen: It seems to ignore that the fb is in 16 bit. If I hard code it to 16 bit it works fine.
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  • [11:34:37] <koen> davidcb: you can run in 32bit mode as well
  • [11:35:02] <koen> davidcb: do 'fbset -depth 32 -rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24
  • [11:35:12] <koen> ' before modprobing the sgx modles
  • [11:36:11] <davidcb> koen: Ahhhh ok. In the pvr-init you posted weeks ago that line was after the modprobe. I'll have to try again.
  • [11:36:28] <koen> yes, it needs to before the modprobes
  • [11:36:36] <davidcb> koen: I'll also drop a line to the guy in the contest.
  • [11:37:10] <davidcb> koen: Still it should work either way. Without a patch textures don't show in 16 bit mode.
  • [11:38:30] <davidcb> koen: And the software renderer only runs at 1 frame per second. I was thinking about trying to port it to NEON but I need to get going on the rest of the project also.
  • [11:39:42] <hrw> koen: check my M_K_PR fix
  • [11:43:55] <koen> hrw: pr = bb.data.getVar('PR', d, True)
  • [11:44:03] <koen> hrw: you don't use 'pr' anywhere
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  • [11:46:28] <craw> hey there, i almost managed to get my angstrom console-image compiled, the error that still persists is during compilation of x-load: board.c:51: error: 'CFG_I2C_SPEED' undeclared, board.c:82: error 'CFG_I2C_SLAVE' undeclared
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  • [11:47:08] <craw> did anyone run into this?
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  • [11:47:40] <hrw> koen: can change it to fwty4793t3 - the question is: is this patch helps
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  • [12:02:04] <recalcati> kernel 2.6.29. stable/2009 branch, I've pb with "05ac:1402 Apple, Inc." usb to eth interface. any help?
  • [12:02:39] <hrw> koen: ops - I replied
  • [12:03:19] * ant_work is a bit annoyed by the lot of comments about M_K_PR
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  • [12:09:43] <craw> the exakt log from do.compile could be found here: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/4453253.txt
  • [12:09:49] <craw> *exact
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  • [12:16:37] <recalcati> rev B6, u-boot-2008.10+r22+gitrb7038cff739684bb95853eb5bee924c2574a222e-r22, stable/2009 kernel, no apple i/f working with these logs: http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/J6Yvic
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  • [12:26:11] <hrw> recalcati_oe: which module it use when you plug it to linux desktop?
  • [12:30:01] <recalcati> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/dhZnR2
  • [12:30:11] <recalcati> asix
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  • [12:31:00] <hrw> so you lack asix kernel module on bb?
  • [12:31:11] <recalcati> I'm looking
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  • [12:31:47] <recalcati> I thought there was, in beagleboard, musb that was different from pc usb
  • [12:32:09] <hrw> recalcati: musb is just usb host controller - rest is same
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  • [12:34:48] <recalcati> it seems enabled: CONFIG_USB_NET_AX8817X=y
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  • [12:38:39] <hrw> so looks like in kernel
  • [12:39:47] <recalcati> now I try 2.6.28
  • [12:42:17] <recalcati> same pb. and I remember that it worked.
  • [12:43:05] <recalcati> I have to re-test from x-loader and u-boot.
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  • [12:53:40] <florian> koen: I can reproduce this effect of missing packages from the images like reported o nthe Angstrom mailinglist.
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  • [12:55:08] <khasim> DJWillis: Ping
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  • [12:58:40] <AV500> khasim: found a name?
  • [12:59:00] <khasim> yuvaboard
  • [12:59:06] <khasim> morning it was buddyboard
  • [12:59:25] <AV500> yuva?
  • [12:59:27] <khasim> don't know by end of evening it might change again :)
  • [12:59:34] <AV500> shiva!
  • [12:59:46] <khasim> yuva is youth in Indian language
  • [12:59:55] <AV500> and also YUV + audio :-)
  • [13:00:07] <khasim> ha ha ha
  • [13:00:29] <AV500> it still has video out?
  • [13:00:34] <khasim> this board is meant to be a hobby kit for students
  • [13:00:55] <florian> koen: it looks like task-boot gets installed multiple times
  • [13:01:01] <khasim> I was supposed to get final schematics today, based on that we will revist the board cost
  • [13:01:11] <khasim> if things don't fall in place then it will be removed
  • [13:01:13] <AV500> khasim: OK
  • [13:01:50] <AV500> btw, what was your new website again?
  • [13:02:02] <recalcati> hrw: I probably had some pb in usb hub power. keyboard and mouse were powered enough, instead usb to eth interface not. Now I'm ok
  • [13:02:25] <khasim> AV500: which one? I have one dspisopen.com
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  • [13:02:40] <AV500> right
  • [13:02:58] * khasim is short of time to work on it
  • [13:03:19] <AV500> I guess :-)
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  • [13:03:38] <lifeeth> khasim, Yuvaboards.. sounds like a very Indian name :D
  • [13:04:16] <khasim> lifeeth: Any appropriate name you suggest will be considered for sure....
  • [13:04:45] <lifeeth> khasim, Well I guess it will sell with students if the price is a bit low :)
  • [13:04:45] <khasim> lifeeth: Koen and I discussed about beaglebuddy and buddyboard a bit
  • [13:05:00] <lifeeth> all 3 names seem awesome :)
  • [13:05:05] <khasim> what is your opinion for a 60$ retail board
  • [13:05:11] <craw> might be that CFG_I2C_SPEED and CFG_I2C_SLAVE should be defined in x-load/git/include/configs/omap3evm.h because they are defined in overo.h and omap3530beagle.h
  • [13:05:48] <lifeeth> khasim, Will sell a lot if it has a USB OTG :)
  • [13:05:56] <lifeeth> atleast I would buy it without thinking much :)
  • [13:06:10] <khasim> yes, it will have USB OTG
  • [13:06:34] <lifeeth> is it a da vinci based one?
  • [13:06:41] <khasim> I am waiting for schematic review to happen - to gain self confidence before I comment on these
  • [13:06:51] <lifeeth> Ah!..
  • [13:06:59] <khasim> it is OMAP L 138 based. ARM 9 + Floating point DSP
  • [13:07:20] <lifeeth> btw.. khasim the cheapest lcds in the country are from chinese lcd portable tv's that cost ~3k in delhi
  • [13:07:46] <lifeeth> as soon as I get my hands on a leopard board / beagle board rev c we are planning to set it up ..
  • [13:07:53] <khasim> you mean for beagleboard ?
  • [13:08:11] <lifeeth> beagle board/ leopard board..
  • [13:08:52] <lifeeth> also .. Found that the omap s video is not in the upstream kernel yet
  • [13:09:07] <khasim> that would be good. please share your contacts for purchase it will help many in India who are looking for cheap ones
  • [13:09:29] <lifeeth> Yup .. Planning to make a wiki for obtaining cheap hardware in the country
  • [13:09:51] <khasim> will be really helpful
  • [13:09:57] <lifeeth> ^ wont be standard and most of them are probably ripped of from working equipment.. but they are cheaper than complete parts
  • [13:12:45] <hrw> khasim: what on board?
  • [13:13:11] <DJWillis> khasim: just sent you a mail.
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  • [13:18:21] <khasim> hrw: will give details next week.
  • [13:18:36] <khasim> DJWillis: thanks for the quick responce... as usual.
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  • [13:40:34] <bobkatzz> It occurred to us that it may be our BitDefender software causing the gzip problem and since it is running on all the computers in the house here (and VMWare is running under XP in the same environment) that it may be responsible - we are going to test that theory here in a little bit but thanks - to everyone who contributed to the cause yesterday
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  • [13:47:00] <bobkatzz> the reason that I came to that conclusion is that there was a period of time that I did not experience that problem and successfully downloaded a couple if gzipped files and they were fine and that was about the time that BD does it's nightly scan (it may have delayed or interrupted it's security scans - though not likely)
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  • [13:48:25] <bobkatzz> koen - I don't see you as being present but I'll ask a question anyway hoping that you'll see the posts
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  • [13:50:08] <bobkatzz> it seems that the copy of hamlib_1.2.9.bb that I have is not working and I think it was from the the gumstix site - is there another version that is available? (even if not ready for prime time?) I'd be glad to test it out
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  • [13:51:21] <bobkatzz> also - what is your opinion of me ripping out all the directories (openembedd on down plus build and downloads) and just starting over with the Buidling Angstrom instructions again for a freshh start
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  • [13:55:44] <emperor410> Hi , I'm new to linux, OMAP, beagle board..
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  • [13:56:12] <bobkatzz> my condolences hehe
  • [13:56:37] <emperor410> Till now we are working on Windows machine and some IDE tool.
  • [13:56:43] <bobkatzz> do you have one yet?
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  • [13:57:01] <emperor410> Please guide us
  • [13:57:16] <bobkatzz> have you purchased a Beagelboard yet?
  • [13:57:41] <emperor410> we ordered ... yet to rx
  • [13:58:07] <bobkatzz> "us" and "emperor" is a bit scarey :)
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  • [13:58:41] <emperor410> by that time we would like to learn abt tools
  • [13:59:08] <emperor410> pls guide me ?
  • [13:59:35] <emperor410> how to install tools , on which machine ( linux or Windows)?
  • [13:59:44] <AV500> emperor410: beagleboard.org
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  • [14:00:10] <AV500> emperor410: this is not a tutorial channel, we can answer specific questions, but not "plz guide us"
  • [14:01:10] <bobkatzz> well without a lot of experience in the above technology you may want to get the Startup Kit which comes with some "already done" components (as I understand it)
  • [14:01:27] <craw> could anyone please help me with building "x-load" with openembedded(for omap3evm)? It is giving me this error: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/4453253.txt :)
  • [14:01:33] <bobkatzz> right AV500?
  • [14:01:38] <ali_as> emperor410, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [14:02:17] <AV500> emperor410: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Linux-Beginners-Machtelt-Garrels/dp/0974433934
  • [14:02:22] <bobkatzz> ali_as - I think they're way below "beginners" hehe
  • [14:02:47] <emperor410> I am new to linux so I would like to know
  • [14:02:54] <AV500> emperor410: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Linux-Beginners-Machtelt-Garrels/dp/0974433934
  • [14:03:12] <AV500> or something similar
  • [14:03:13] <bobkatzz> I have 10+ years of Linux and I still consider myself an OE, Beagleboard-stuff beginner :D
  • [14:03:15] <AV500> or #linux
  • [14:03:38] <emperor410> how to install tools and bi=uild kernel, u-bbot, x-load
  • [14:04:20] <bobkatzz> emperor410 <--- find yourself a Linux guru to buddy up with eh?
  • [14:04:25] <AV500> emperor410: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#OpenEmbedded
  • [14:05:14] <AV500> follow the links
  • [14:05:14] <bobkatzz> what town are you in? you should be able to find a Linux Users Group that will be of great help to you
  • [14:05:36] <emperor410> Chennai, India
  • [14:05:44] <emperor410> OK
  • [14:05:58] <bobkatzz> yeah - there are even Beagelboard startup groups there - google it
  • [14:05:59] <emperor410> thats great
  • [14:06:28] <bobkatzz> good luck
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  • [14:08:04] <bobkatzz> I wonder if TI knows what they have here? the hardware version of the Linux software movement - quoting NPR "the largest joint venture in the history of humnity"
  • [14:08:20] <bobkatzz> humanity
  • [14:08:37] <ogra> humidity ? :)
  • [14:08:43] <lifeeth> :D
  • [14:09:18] <bobkatzz> yeah it's gonna be a scorcher today!
  • [14:09:34] <bobkatzz> where's koen?
  • [14:10:26] <jkridner|work> bobkatzz: can I quote you?
  • [14:10:35] <jkridner|work> koen is in .nl
  • [14:10:57] <jkridner|work> or, are you just wondering why he isn't here?
  • [14:12:00] <jkridner|work> bobkatzz: do you have a particular idea of making a new getting started page for BeagleBoard and OE?
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  • [14:12:37] <jkridner|work> I think having one clean option pointed to by the http://eLinux.org/BeagleBoard page would be good.
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  • [14:35:38] <sinosoidal> hi
  • [14:35:51] <sinosoidal> i'm trying to initialize X with omapfb
  • [14:36:15] <sinosoidal> i have downloaded from TI the drivers. and i'm using the provided kernel image
  • [14:36:51] <sinosoidal> i have started the rc.pvr service which initializes modules
  • [14:37:07] <sinosoidal> but when i'm about to start X, it crashes saying
  • [14:37:20] <sinosoidal> EE: omapfb(0): FBIOBLANK: invalid argument
  • [14:37:29] <sinosoidal> does anyone knows anything about this?
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  • [14:37:33] <sinosoidal> or how to debug this?
  • [14:39:41] <bobkatzz> sorry jkridner|work - I stepped out to the garden for a minute - ( malfunctioning baby bird :))
  • [14:39:52] <janrinze> apparently omafb does not support blanking.
  • [14:40:33] <bobkatzz> yeah - I'm keeping notes on the various step that it has taken me to get here (where?) and I thought a kind of flow chart would be good
  • [14:40:36] <janrinze> i am unsure but possibly X can be told not to use blanking ( screensaver state )
  • [14:40:41] <LoneMeow> "EE: omapfb(0): FBIOBLANK: invalid argument" is not fatal anyway IIRC
  • [14:40:57] <janrinze> usually it is not i.i.r.c.
  • [14:41:06] <LoneMeow> at least I get a truckload of that spam on another board and it still works just fine... ;)
  • [14:41:39] <koen> if you are offended by teh FBIOBLANK stuff you could apply something like this to the omapfb kernel driver: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=828826ee6fe971b0dc7c8cb1974d00abcbdc9704
  • [14:41:45] <bobkatzz> I noticed that one of the modules (bitbake?) even outputs dependency diagrams - kewl!
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  • [14:43:35] <bobkatzz> ah there's koen
  • [14:44:38] <koen> yes, I was overseeing the thawing of my soup :)
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  • [14:45:05] <sinosoidal> FBIOBLANK is the only noticable error that xorg dumps
  • [14:45:16] <bobkatzz> wow - it's that cold there? :)
  • [14:45:34] <bobkatzz> we rehydrate ours here
  • [14:46:23] <bobkatzz> BTW - I need to get a fresh copy of hamlib_1.2.9.bb - the one I got was on Gumstix site (same processor though right?) but I can't get that to work
  • [14:47:07] <bobkatzz> I think I need to start all over with a new OE download and since it won't update (says it's already up to date) but I know it is missing some things
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  • [14:48:34] <bobkatzz> does that sound logical? - I would take out openembedded recursively and downloads and build directories
  • [14:49:19] <sinosoidal> I think I screwed up
  • [14:49:20] <sinosoidal> ** Unable to read "uImage" from mmc 0:1 ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
  • [14:49:22] <bobkatzz> and just start over from the Building Angstrom directions of yours - I'm afraid that mines somehow "tainted" hehe
  • [14:49:28] <booxter> where can I find omap3530_dvsdk_combos_3_16.tar.gz ?
  • [14:50:07] <sinosoidal> uImage is in the card and now it is saying that it could not be found
  • [14:50:12] <sinosoidal> :S
  • [14:50:37] <sinosoidal> the boot commands that made the mess were this ones:
  • [14:50:51] <sinosoidal> setenv bootcmd 'mmcinit; fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 uImage; bootm 0x80300000'
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  • [14:51:06] <sinosoidal> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext3 ro omap-dss.def_disp=lcd omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60' saveenv boot
  • [14:51:19] <sinosoidal> but then I used the last good settings I had tried
  • [14:51:25] <sinosoidal> and it continues not to work
  • [14:51:30] <sinosoidal> what do I do now??
  • [14:51:41] <koen> bobkatzz: I cook it, eat a bit and but the rest in the freezer for later (e.g. now) :)
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  • [14:52:14] <booxter> sinosoidal: do you really have uImage file on mmc 0:1?
  • [14:52:16] <bobkatzz> ah - yep we do that too (thank god for zip lock bags hehe)
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  • [14:53:17] <sinosoidal> yah. i didnt mess with the data on the card. only the uboot commands
  • [14:53:56] <sinosoidal> it was working just a while ago before uboot
  • [14:55:42] <sinosoidal> i think this line made the mess
  • [14:55:43] <sinosoidal> setenv bootcmd 'mmcinit; fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 uImage; bootm 0x80300000'
  • [14:55:58] <bobkatzz> so - koen, what do you think of my game plan?
  • [14:56:10] <sinosoidal> the uImage in the card is called uImage.bin
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  • [14:58:14] <bobkatzz> we make about 8 qts of chili at a time - it never sees the freezer though :D
  • [14:58:53] <bobkatzz> just hangs around for several days - morphs into "bean dip" for taco chips hehe
  • [15:00:23] <sinosoidal> booting already. it was the filename due to the env change
  • [15:00:34] <sinosoidal> however, now is the kernel is in panic!!
  • [15:01:40] <sinosoidal> isabling unused clock "sys_clkout1" VFP support v0.3: implementor 41 architecture 3 part 30 variant c rev 1 Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 clock: clksel_round_rate_div: dpll4_m4_ck target_rate 48000000 clock: new_div = 9, new_rate = 48000000 omap-dss: Could not find exact pixel clock. Requested 65002 kHz, got 65000 kHz Unable to handl
  • [15:01:52] <sinosoidal> does anyone knows what this represents?
  • [15:01:57] <sinosoidal> :(
  • [15:02:37] <koen> bobkatzz: which game plan?
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  • [15:05:23] <bobkatzz> sorry - um above there -^
  • [15:06:11] <ali_as> sinosoidal, if you request a screen mode and the pixelclock cannot be exactly generated, it fails.
  • [15:06:27] <koen> bobkatzz: you shouldn't need an OE reinstall
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  • [15:06:44] <koen> bobkatzz: try to build console-image first
  • [15:06:45] <bobkatzz> starting over from scratch - ripping out all the OE directories _ it won't refresh even though I know that some things are not right - like missing checksums for some packages
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  • [15:07:24] <bobkatzz> ok - did you see my comment about the version of hamlib that I have? may net be the right one
  • [15:07:32] <bobkatzz> not
  • [15:07:50] <bobkatzz> ok will do that build
  • [15:08:13] <bobkatzz> spent pretty much all yesterday working on the gzipping problem
  • [15:08:30] <sinosoidal> ali_as: is there anyway to reset the boot settings?
  • [15:08:43] <bobkatzz> which I think has to do with BitDefender antivirus software running on our machines here
  • [15:08:51] <sinosoidal> ali_as: i googled a little and i found a command as simple as run mmcboot
  • [15:09:19] <sinosoidal> ali_as: it does nothing, but then, doing boot, it starts without any problem. but if i reset again, it happens the same
  • [15:09:53] <bobkatzz> also - just in case you are not around when I get back to it - where can I get the "official" version of hamlib_1.2.9 - tar and bb's?
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  • [15:10:57] <ali_as> sinosoidal, are you following http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners ?
  • [15:14:03] <koen> bobkatzz: you could setup OE to build from .dev instead of stable/2009
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  • [15:16:55] <sinosoidal> ali_as: probably it was a boot args problem with resolutions as you suggested
  • [15:17:11] <sinosoidal> ali_as: i setted again another boot args and it is cool now
  • [15:17:25] <sinosoidal> is there any place where all the boot args are documentes?
  • [15:17:28] <sinosoidal> documented?
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  • [15:23:03] <sinosoidal> koen: i tried amstrong yesterday. it seems fast. however very incomplete. it also got broken when doing opk upgrade
  • [15:24:47] <bobkatzz> how is that?
  • [15:24:52] <sli_> It is angstrom in fact
  • [15:24:54] <sli_> :)
  • [15:25:49] <sli_> bootargs are disseminated by devices, for sure
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  • [15:27:02] <sinosoidal> hum, ok
  • [15:27:08] <sinosoidal> back to the omapfb
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  • [15:27:31] <sinosoidal> has anyone successfully run X with omapfb?
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  • [15:29:36] <bobkatzz> < ----- had to restart Ubuntu for the first time in about 8 days :)
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  • [15:30:44] <bobkatzz> ok - so kown - you said to build from .dav instead of stable/2009 - would I just replace those terms in the Building Angstrom Instructions?
  • [15:31:02] <bobkatzz> koen - hehe
  • [15:31:17] <bobkatzz> don't know why my finger does that
  • [15:31:42] <bobkatzz> .dev that is
  • [15:33:19] <tor2> bobkatzz: in most IRC clients you should be able to just enter 'ko'<TAB> and get it auto-expanded (or cycle through if there's more than one)
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  • [15:33:36] <thotypous> hi
  • [15:34:16] <florian> hi thotypous
  • [15:34:29] * tor2 isn't familiar with the mibbit ajax irc client though
  • [15:35:14] <bobkatzz> ah - right tor2 <--- did it right there (I have forgotten my old BitcheX days :P
  • [15:35:26] <bobkatzz> tnks
  • [15:35:51] * tor2 only remembers bitchex' annoying /part messages :-)
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  • [15:38:25] <sinosoidal> has anyone successfully run X with omapfb?
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  • [15:44:44] <bobkatzz> koen - will I have to remove all the directories created with the stable/2009 build?
  • [15:44:55] <thotypous> janrinze: hi :)
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  • [15:45:56] <bobkatzz> yeah tor2 - when I type "ko"<tab> I get KosiNuss < --- hehe
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  • [15:46:46] <KosiNuss> ?
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  • [15:49:14] <sinosoidal> which is the fastest way of trying opengle graphics in amstrong? is there any supplied graphics?
  • [15:49:16] <sinosoidal> app
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  • [15:50:55] <koen> bobkatzz: that would be the safe option
  • [15:51:30] <sinosoidal> koen: you said that amstrong brings SGX support builtin. how can I test that?
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  • [15:52:39] <bobkatzz> ok - actually just made a new user and started in the home directory
  • [15:53:10] <bobkatzz> should have the same effect (changed OETREE of course)
  • [15:54:28] <bobkatzz> so instead of "git checkout origin/stable/2009 -b stable/2009" I would type "git checkout origin/.dev -b .dev" ?
  • [15:55:36] <bobkatzz> sinosoidal: it's ANGstrom not ARMstrong
  • [15:55:50] <AV500> neil or louis?
  • [15:55:55] <shell> install a proper irc client like irssi ..
  • [15:56:01] <bobkatzz> it's ok I'm dyslexic too :P
  • [15:56:35] <bobkatzz> think of lightwave ((((((((((((((>>>>>>>>>
  • [15:56:47] * ogra always thought being dyslexic is a requirement to be a hacker
  • [15:57:01] <AV500> raelly?
  • [15:57:06] <bobkatzz> that's been proven :)
  • [15:57:12] <bobkatzz> hehe AV500
  • [15:57:18] <ogra> *g*
  • [15:57:28] * suihkulokki .oO( I put the sex in dyslexia )
  • [15:57:35] <janrinze> actually Angstrom needs a line across the o and is not really an English word..
  • [15:57:42] <sinosoidal> bobkatzz: thanks for the correction. do you know any app in ANGstrom that I could use to test SGX capabilities?
  • [15:57:47] <LoneMeow> ?ngstr?m
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  • [15:58:11] <LoneMeow> I can't figure out why anyone would choose a name like that, except to annoy the people without those characters mapped... :P
  • [15:58:17] <bobkatzz> yeah but when you use those "Euro" letters it screws up some code
  • [15:58:34] <janrinze> guess it is more a geekish name..
  • [15:58:40] <ogra> LoneMeow, to prove its UTF8 ready ?
  • [15:58:54] <janrinze> maybe even UTF16?
  • [15:59:08] <bobkatzz> it's the tiniest usint of measurement that is unto itself
  • [15:59:12] <LoneMeow> ogra, that doesn't help the people who simply don't have those characters in their keymap ;)
  • [15:59:15] <bobkatzz> unit
  • [15:59:33] <LoneMeow> (compose-key is nice, but not everyone has that configured either...)
  • [15:59:36] <bobkatzz> liek its not a fraction or deca kilo-anything
  • [16:00:09] <bobkatzz> I thinkit's quite appropriate for what it is
  • [16:00:29] <bobkatzz> better than giga-flop ffs!
  • [16:01:39] <bobkatzz> sinosoidal: wait let me go google SGX
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  • [16:01:52] <bobkatzz> :)
  • [16:01:57] <sinosoidal> is that a joke?
  • [16:02:28] <sinosoidal> are you telling me that i'm here wasting my time, asking questions because I don't google by myself?
  • [16:02:45] <bobkatzz> no - jeez - I was teasing myself
  • [16:02:52] <sinosoidal> i'm not the one who is here shit chatting
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  • [16:03:11] <sinosoidal> i'm starting to ask myself what kind of community is this?
  • [16:03:19] <bobkatzz> we all have to wait for things to compile - why not be friendly?
  • [16:03:49] <sinosoidal> i see a lot of useless chat around but i'm not complaining and joking with the other
  • [16:03:52] <ZeZu> shit chatting ?
  • [16:03:53] <bobkatzz> one of the reasons to be here is to learn
  • [16:04:03] <bobkatzz> it's educational
  • [16:04:17] <bobkatzz> unless you think you know it all :/
  • [16:04:28] <ZeZu> dont google by yourself ?
  • [16:04:30] <bobkatzz> which I def don't
  • [16:04:32] <ZeZu> do you google with others ?
  • [16:05:17] <sinosoidal> what do you guys think, that you all better than other?
  • [16:05:26] <sinosoidal> correct me a little, come on
  • [16:05:38] <bobkatzz> um chill dude
  • [16:05:43] <sinosoidal> ...
  • [16:05:49] <bobkatzz> (going to water the garden)
  • [16:05:59] <ali_as> sinosoidal, most people currently awake probably can't help.
  • [16:06:05] <ZeZu> correct you on what? bad grammar ?
  • [16:06:07] <bobkatzz> i.e. multitasking :D
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  • [16:06:27] <sinosoidal> zezu: my native language is not english
  • [16:06:40] <jkridner|work> what is the question that needs answering?
  • [16:06:50] <ZeZu> well your complaining not asking questions and politely waiting
  • [16:06:55] <jkridner|work> something to test SGX?
  • [16:07:00] <ZeZu> patience is a virtue, as is using google
  • [16:07:07] <jkridner|work> OGRE3D.
  • [16:07:09] <sinosoidal> kkrinder|work: yes
  • [16:07:22] <sinosoidal> zezu: you think you are smart
  • [16:07:31] <sinosoidal> zezu: mas eu digo-te que ??s um palerma!
  • [16:07:33] <bobkatzz> koen - so I got to step 1.a - git clone git://-etc so what would I type for the .dev command?
  • [16:07:33] <ZeZu> no i think i have a hangover tbh
  • [16:07:45] <jkridner|work> sinusoidal? why so hostile? people do want to help here.
  • [16:08:16] <sinosoidal> no man, there a couple of guys around that seems to be enjoying making fun with other. i don't think that is helping
  • [16:08:33] <sinosoidal> you, are helping!
  • [16:08:49] <jkridner|work> they have fun, but I know they help people here.
  • [16:09:05] <bobkatzz> no - actually sinosoidal - I wnet to find out what SGX means - REALLY!
  • [16:09:06] <jkridner|work> maybe not with every sentence, but more often than not.
  • [16:09:10] <ZeZu> ah translation = i'm a fool eh sinosoidal?
  • [16:09:15] <AV500> no, this is a serious channel, no fun here please!
  • [16:09:24] <ZeZu> well dont count on any serious answers from a fool then
  • [16:09:31] <bobkatzz> heh <---- ooops!
  • [16:10:02] <koen> bobkatzz: same command, cloning gets all the branches
  • [16:11:04] <sinosoidal> zezu: yeah, that's the right translation. you know how to google by yourself! ;)
  • [16:11:06] <jkridner|work> anyway, there are some demo apps with ogre3d that make good tests for the SGX.
  • [16:11:38] <raster> sinosoidal: seriously. are you saying that pople are not allowed to have freedom of speech here? that they cant decided to talk about the cake they had for lunch? or the flight they just got back from? you kjnow that normal social interactions are what holds a community together often. people here know each other in person. hey have sat and shared beers. just expectng everyone to be quiet so you can get special attention without having to
  • [16:11:38] <raster> skip lines that are of no relevance to you, is petty unfair and asking a lot, as if this is your own personal help channel. :(
  • [16:11:42] <sinosoidal> I have found a google group discussion thread about ogre3d posted by koen
  • [16:11:59] <sinosoidal> i was expecting to run those simple apps that come bundled in the SDK
  • [16:12:29] <raster> sinosoidal: you'll need to get the arm binar sgx samples from the sdk
  • [16:12:40] <raster> the gles libs for omap3 dont come with them
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  • [16:12:59] <raster> in fact you have to manually go find the gles binaries yourself, put them in your OE tree, and then build. it wont fetch for you
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  • [16:13:29] <bobkatzz> koen - ok so at what point do I differentiate between stable/2009 and .dev?
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  • [16:13:53] <koen> at the git checkout point
  • [16:14:04] <raster> jkridner|work: btw - do you know ameet suri?
  • [16:14:25] <sinosoidal> raster: i don't blame personal chat. i just blame personal joking. i don't know you people. that a true. i don't sit with you having beers. but i'm also not joking with what you talk
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  • [16:14:32] <koen> raster: heh, I was composing an email about that subject :)
  • [16:14:47] <bobkatzz> raster - speaking of which - are you thraster from the NC Linux Expo - friend of my son Chris (X3rings)??
  • [16:15:04] <bobkatzz> the rater - bp
  • [16:15:05] <raster> sinosoidal: people here like to hve a sense of humor. you really need one if youspend enough tme doing software, linux, etc. etc.
  • [16:15:19] <ogra> or IRC
  • [16:15:23] <raster> koen: about what in particular?
  • [16:15:46] <raster> bobkatzz: yup. i guess i would be.. from many many many years ago
  • [16:16:07] <bobkatzz> kewl! - well I'm VIS <--- remember?
  • [16:16:25] <raster> bobkatzz: ooh VIS! man. bells ring :)
  • [16:16:26] <bobkatzz> do you still talk to x5?
  • [16:16:36] <bobkatzz> yep - doin the Beagle thing now
  • [16:16:36] <raster> i havent talked to him for quite a while
  • [16:16:50] <raster> thats a hell of a long time ago
  • [16:17:05] <bobkatzz> he's the mySQL lead at Gifts.com in LA - doing his music etc.
  • [16:17:06] <koen> raster: OMG SGX IS SO AWESOME YOU ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG
  • [16:17:07] <sinosoidal> ok. thanks you for you help. i'll try ogre demos
  • [16:17:17] <raster> koen: aaaah! yeah.
  • [16:17:46] <raster> koen: i am still waiting from any word from ti or imgtec or anywhere as to how i, trolltech etc. re doing it all wrong
  • [16:18:17] <raster> i did see a mail pretty much dismissing evas's gles engine as "it just does blits" from somewhere inside ti
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  • [16:18:55] <koen> raster: "But we did last week do a review of the rasterman test suite, it does not contain many 3D Operations, but is a pure blitting based test suit"
  • [16:19:06] <raster> yes
  • [16:19:07] <raster> that one
  • [16:19:07] <bobkatzz> raster - still got the "cat-in'the-hat" hat?
  • [16:19:14] <raster> complte bullshit
  • [16:19:20] <raster> they idnt review squat
  • [16:19:23] <raster> its ALL 3d ops
  • [16:19:39] <raster> triangls, txtures, shaders. scissor clips.buffer swaps
  • [16:20:03] <bobkatzz> google still has not told me what SGX is other that Singapore Exchange :)
  • [16:20:18] <bkero> bobkatzz: powervr sgx
  • [16:20:19] <koen> bobkatzz: try sgx530
  • [16:20:22] <raster> if your triangles HAPPEN to be paralell to the viewport and you hppen to have turned off the zbuffer and disable perspective... it doesnt matter
  • [16:20:24] <raster> its still 3d ops
  • [16:20:28] <bobkatzz> but form what I gather it's some kind of 3D polygon voodoo
  • [16:20:30] <AK6L> haha, wow
  • [16:20:34] <AK6L> raster: hi!
  • [16:20:36] <raster> bobkatzz: hhaha no - that died long ago
  • [16:20:44] <raster> no idea where or when
  • [16:20:47] <raster> but a long time ago
  • [16:20:48] <AK6L> raster: <- xunil, friend of Uriah Welcome, San Mehat...
  • [16:20:49] <bobkatzz> the hat or poygon voodoo :D
  • [16:20:54] <AK6L> raster: (robert liesenfeld)
  • [16:21:05] <raster> bobkatzz: sgx is the 3d chip in the omap3
  • [16:21:15] <raster> its a powervir chip from imgtec
  • [16:21:15] <bobkatzz> xunil <--- meet fsck.org!!
  • [16:21:27] <bobkatzz> oh very kewl
  • [16:21:30] <raster> eg sgx == nv8600gt
  • [16:21:34] <bkero> It's a lump of unsupported crap :P
  • [16:21:35] <raster> its a codename
  • [16:21:37] <raster> or maybe nv40
  • [16:21:40] <raster> is more like it
  • [16:21:41] <AK6L> bobkatzz: hi!... did you work at VA too?
  • [16:21:55] <bobkatzz> yup x5's dad
  • [16:21:56] <raster> bkero: well supported only via opaque binary-only libs
  • [16:22:04] <raster> bkero: with restrictive licensing on re-distribution
  • [16:22:21] <bkero> raster: Which means it can't be supported by the linux community :P
  • [16:22:26] <bobkatzz> ok now you're out of my league - I work on the front end of that stuff heheh
  • [16:22:27] <raster> AK6L: ooooh xunil! man. also ltns!
  • [16:22:28] <koen> raster: it only demands your fistborn
  • [16:22:52] <AK6L> raster: it's a small internet, eh? you still in japan?
  • [16:22:59] <koen> firstborn, that is
  • [16:23:08] <bobkatzz> no I didn't make it (yet) hehe
  • [16:23:16] <bobkatzz> damai desu nai?
  • [16:23:23] <raster> bkero: pretty much.in the hope things may change i did some work on a gles2 engine for evas. and the performance is abysmal. about 1/4 of software. and the engine is pettymuch he sameway of using gl for 2d as the desktop gl engine is for evas
  • [16:23:37] <raster> AK6L: nup. bck in sydney after a stint in taiwan
  • [16:23:51] <raster> AK6L: and right now.. in bern, .ch doing a bit of a europe tour
  • [16:23:51] <bobkatzz> oh - ok dif dat
  • [16:24:02] <raster> err damai?
  • [16:24:06] <raster> nai?
  • [16:24:09] <AK6L> raster: nice! you globe trotter you.
  • [16:24:09] <raster> u mean ne
  • [16:24:21] <bobkatzz> raster - I'll tell x5 to say hi on here (when he wakes up later hehe)
  • [16:24:32] <raster> cool!
  • [16:24:35] <bkero> raster: Sounds like awesome prospects to have such a large pile of slow, proprietary crap in things like a lot of laptops I'm looking at, the beagle, etc :/
  • [16:24:51] <raster> bkero: it is a shame
  • [16:24:54] <bkero> GregKH gave a keynote demoing his driver yesterday
  • [16:25:09] <raster> personally i hd hoped the sgx would perform so well that i'd overlook the closedess for now
  • [16:25:10] <bobkatzz> he released a CD in UK a couple years ago and has been doing his music in LA - has his own digital studio
  • [16:25:18] <raster> ie its 5x faser than the cpu oing rendering
  • [16:25:22] <raster> but... alaso. it is not
  • [16:25:30] <bkero> He came in to talk to my class about two weeks ago, said he'd be giving a demo using it on Jun 1st. Code should be released by July 1st
  • [16:25:53] <raster> bobkatzz: awesome!
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  • [16:26:09] <raster> bkero: open drivers for sgx?
  • [16:26:18] <bobkatzz> so koen - is everything the same? how do I specify .dev instead of stable/2009?
  • [16:26:19] <bkero> raster: 2d
  • [16:26:30] <bobkatzz> or at what point?
  • [16:26:36] <raster> i dont even know if the sgx on the omap3 has 2d
  • [16:26:42] <raster> nothing has been said of it at all
  • [16:26:48] <raster> and right now - no single api toget at it
  • [16:26:53] <bkero> SGX on the OMAP3 is a 530, the Intel Poulsbo is a 535.
  • [16:27:20] <raster> the 3d is imho incredibly sub-par in performance as softare almost euqals or beats it in just aobut every test i have
  • [16:27:59] <raster> bkero: yeah. very similr, but i really dont know the differences
  • [16:28:38] <bkero> raster: From what I understand, the 535 has twice as many shader/tiling/whatever pipelines/cores/whatever.
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  • [16:28:54] <bkero> No idea about the presence or lack thereof of a 2d engine
  • [16:29:37] <raster> bkero: i tried to find out how many int he sgx on the omp3 - couldnt find a number
  • [16:30:06] <raster> ut wih double the shader etc.cores.. it should be pushing on 2x the sped
  • [16:30:23] <raster> tho reality means its probably more like 1.6 or 1.7x
  • [16:30:54] <bkero> I've been doing my duty and harassing Intel and MostAwesomeDude about it whenever I get a chance.
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  • [16:34:09] <bobkatzz> koen - how do I specify .dev instead of stable/2009?
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  • [16:34:21] <bobkatzz> at what point?
  • [16:34:58] <koen> bobkatzz: at checkout substitute 'stable/2009' for 'org.openembedded.dev'
  • [16:35:27] <bobkatzz> ah - ok tnx !!
  • [16:36:12] <raster> bkero: keep harassing :)
  • [16:37:30] <bobkatzz> hmmm - "git checkout /origin/org.openembedded.dev -b org.openembedded.dev" << --- fatal:: not a git repository
  • [16:38:01] <bobkatzz> ( the substutuions were literal aka bobkatzz hehe)
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  • [16:39:38] <koen> there's a '/' to many in there
  • [16:39:56] <bobkatzz> oooh - :/
  • [16:40:02] <bobkatzz> heh
  • [16:40:45] <bobkatzz> nope removing the leading "/" gives the same
  • [16:42:39] <raster> git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded org.openembedded.dev
  • [16:42:56] <raster> thats what i use
  • [16:43:16] <bobkatzz> ok - will try tnx
  • [16:43:48] <koen> bobkatzz: for using .dev you might be better of following http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit (since you need a copy of bitbake, .dev doesn't include one)
  • [16:43:56] <bobkatzz> yep that did it!!
  • [16:44:26] <bobkatzz> ok koen - will do (the plot thickens hehe)
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  • [16:46:30] <bobkatzz> yeah - that will also fix that error that I get about mmap_min_addr not being zero
  • [16:47:28] <koen> raster: e snapshot still on course for next friday?
  • [16:48:50] * koen fires off a build of 40885
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  • [16:51:31] <raster> koen: this friday :)
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  • [16:52:59] <muriani> embedded-specific e, or is it a good snapshot for desktop use as well?
  • [16:54:06] <koen> muriani: there is no embedded-specific e :)
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  • [16:55:56] <bobkatzz> koen - the directory for hamlib is "recipes/sdr" instead of "recipes/hamlib" would I have to enter "bitbake sdr" then?
  • [16:56:31] <ZeZu> raster, software eats up the cpu while it happens though
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  • [16:57:06] <muriani> koen: thoght so
  • [16:57:18] <muriani> but seeing as raster does <3 the arm :)
  • [16:57:19] <ZeZu> tough to cram "good" game logic and physics in with a software 3d engine that is doing texturing and blending
  • [16:57:23] <muriani> I mean, there's illume and such
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  • [16:57:46] <muriani> ZeZu: yeah, in that case you want to offload the rendering
  • [16:58:04] <muriani> but in the case of e it's largely unnecessary
  • [16:58:24] <ZeZu> it may not be a GF9, but its usefull where it can be applied nicely
  • [16:58:40] <muriani> I mean, look at what they've done with quake3 on omap3
  • [16:58:52] <muriani> the pandora demos are quite impressive
  • [16:59:38] <ZeZu> the innovative netbook I like far more than pandora tbh
  • [17:00:05] <ZeZu> but yes, i have found the sgx capable enough for GP 3d ..
  • [17:00:13] <muriani> I just used pandora as an example.
  • [17:00:26] <ZeZu> yes, I have a pandora dev. board sitting here :)
  • [17:00:29] <muriani> innovative, are they the touchbook guys?
  • [17:00:33] <muriani> hehe
  • [17:00:38] <ZeZu> yea
  • [17:00:53] <muriani> ah, yeah. I like that design as well
  • [17:00:54] <ZeZu> I want one
  • [17:00:59] <muriani> Aye.
  • [17:01:12] <ZeZu> I'm really just waiting to get my hands on omap4
  • [17:01:23] <ZeZu> looks like its going to be a while
  • [17:01:29] <muriani> yeah
  • [17:01:42] <muriani> isn't omap3 silicon technically still in development?
  • [17:01:58] <AV500> muriani: course
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  • [17:05:14] <koen> bobkatzz: no, bitbake hamlib (it takes the filename)
  • [17:05:38] <bobkatzz> ok - tnks
  • [17:06:02] <bobkatzz> and the output is what? (and where?)
  • [17:06:23] <bobkatzz> still trying to figure that out
  • [17:07:01] <raster> ZeZu: well software polling/spinning waiting on the 3d unit.. maybe. ut not the software above gles+driver
  • [17:08:22] <ZeZu> well i understand the driver uses a bit of time, but I haven't had a case where it took very much at all
  • [17:08:33] <raster> muriani: well illume is just a module for e... thats about as embedded specific as it gets. e has been geared for be"embedded" since i started on evas, e17 etc. ie basiucally be small, lean and fast (for what it does). a small touchscreen ui tho is another mater - elementar is a toolkit that tries to address that space
  • [17:09:04] <ZeZu> compared to rendering 10k tris/s fully blended/textured in software ... its near nothing
  • [17:09:32] <raster> depends - the sgx is pretty woeful at the simple stuff
  • [17:09:35] <raster> eg drawing rectangles
  • [17:09:48] <raster> or justg eve alpha blending a texture 1:1
  • [17:09:49] <ZeZu> large ones i suppose
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  • [17:10:22] <ZeZu> I never did run many further tests, but i have had it rendering > 300k tris / m
  • [17:10:47] <ZeZu> Much more really, but speeds were terrible due to math on them being slow
  • [17:10:55] <raster> doesnt mean much - 300k 1 pixel tries are trivial
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  • [17:11:19] <raster> example:
  • [17:11:26] <raster> Image Blend Unscaled: 4.13 9.92
  • [17:11:32] <ZeZu> eh i've worked with software rendering, and even processing those tris isn't that trivial
  • [17:11:37] <raster> 9.92 fps is software blending (16bpp target)
  • [17:11:40] <raster> 4.13 is gles
  • [17:11:55] <ZeZu> i've got to run, i've seen your results (nice work again)
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  • [17:11:56] <raster> depends what you do to the tris
  • [17:11:59] <ZeZu> yes
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  • [17:12:09] <ZeZu> just pointing out it still has its place / uses
  • [17:12:09] <raster> but to be honst - i havent focused or cared for the vertex processing
  • [17:12:14] <ZeZu> bbiab
  • [17:12:16] <raster> i am looking for raw pixel throughput
  • [17:12:25] <raster> ie fillrate not tris/sec
  • [17:12:35] <raster> and in terms of fillrate - sgx is pretty sucky
  • [17:12:50] <raster> Image Blend Fade Unscaled: 4.14 4.97
  • [17:12:55] <LoneMeow> one would suppose it's memory bandwidth limited
  • [17:13:14] <LoneMeow> and the memory bandwidth on these omap3 boards isn't really too stellar
  • [17:13:15] <raster> now when software needs to multiply the rgba of th src (fade it) while doing the blending too - gls and software are on par
  • [17:13:25] <bobkatzz> koen - I see org.openembedded (the dev files) and openembedded folders - I'm assuming that in the instructions I replace openembedded for org.openembedded in the local.conf and other settings?
  • [17:13:33] <raster> so you can see by that - memory bandwdth alone shows software is beating gles
  • [17:13:42] <raster> \so its not raw mem bandwidth problems
  • [17:13:53] <LoneMeow> that sounds sucky
  • [17:13:55] <bobkatzz> ooops otherway aroudn replace org. op.... for op....
  • [17:14:12] <LoneMeow> our NEON rendering code for pixman is almost always memory bandwidth limited I think
  • [17:14:14] <raster> if software ca be faster. (both were rendering to a 16bpp buffer so they are an even playing field here)
  • [17:14:25] <raster> LoneMeow: i'm not surprised
  • [17:14:34] <raster> i highl;y suspect the faster routines in evas are too
  • [17:14:40] <bobkatzz> do I even use the openemb.... direcotry at all?
  • [17:14:42] <raster> raw blending, blitting, filling
  • [17:14:49] <koen> LoneMeow: I like how http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pixman/log/ looks :)
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  • [17:15:06] <LoneMeow> ohh, jmorton's latest stuff was committed
  • [17:15:07] <raster> i do need to roll some moe neon into evas
  • [17:15:07] <LoneMeow> nice ;)
  • [17:15:11] <koen> bobkatzz: you can rename the directory if you wish
  • [17:15:23] <raster> it has very little - the filling code at any rate didnt seem to get a speedup
  • [17:15:25] <LoneMeow> now we just need the Xorg patches also for overhead removal and such
  • [17:15:49] <koen> LoneMeow: and the filter stuff from ssvb :)
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  • [17:16:02] <raster> Image Crossfade: 23.20 21.86
  • [17:16:04] <bobkatzz> you mean rename org.op . . . to op. . . ?
  • [17:16:10] <raster> oh wait no never mind
  • [17:16:11] <LoneMeow> I have to say though, NEON is really nice
  • [17:16:25] <raster> same as Image Blend Fade Unscaled
  • [17:16:41] <raster> LoneMeow: from an instruction point of view - yes. i wish the docs were less opaque
  • [17:16:53] <bobkatzz> crap - I meant the other way - so the openembedded directory is redundant to the org.op .. . .?
  • [17:16:53] <raster> ie had examplesof use more descriptive wording on what it does
  • [17:16:57] <raster> but it is very nice
  • [17:17:05] <koen> LoneMeow: I do wish your client would sponsor 32bpp neon opts for pixman as well
  • [17:17:08] <LoneMeow> raster, hmm, which docs are you using?
  • [17:17:12] <raster> only thing i dontlike about neon is the 20 sysnce back to arm penalty
  • [17:17:21] <raster> LoneMeow: the arm arm.
  • [17:17:23] <LoneMeow> koen, heh, sadly their board runs with 16bpp framebuffer only so far
  • [17:17:59] <raster> 16bpp is so last week
  • [17:18:08] <bobkatzz> koen - sorry - being careful (and still don't know what the output file is :D)
  • [17:18:09] <raster> eiher u hav e horrible imagry (banding)
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  • [17:18:23] <raster> or u spend white some syscles working in 32bppo then just dithering down to 16bpp anyway
  • [17:18:53] <LoneMeow> I do wish someone'd make v7 core with a bit more memory bandwidth
  • [17:18:59] <AV500> raster: top notch OSes are 16bpp :-)
  • [17:19:02] <LoneMeow> the one we work with has more than omap3 but it's still not that great
  • [17:19:19] <AV500> LoneMeow: what range?
  • [17:19:47] <sradhakrishna> hi. i use debian on beagleboard and am looking to switch to s-video. Followed the linux hints page (http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxHints), but couldn't execute the command to switch to s-video.
  • [17:19:52] <LoneMeow> IIRC something like 600MB/sec readwrite, more in pure write or pure read, I don't really remember anymore though
  • [17:20:13] <sradhakrishna> can't find /sys/class/display_control directory.
  • [17:20:23] <sradhakrishna> Am I missing any packages?
  • [17:20:29] <raster> AV500: :-P~
  • [17:21:20] <raster> thats what they said about the z80 "top notch cpu's are 8bit!"
  • [17:21:21] <raster> :)
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  • [17:21:55] <LoneMeow> raster, well I'd say 16bpp is fine for something like N800-style tablets with small displays
  • [17:22:04] <LoneMeow> raster, of course I would want 32bpp for a netbook...
  • [17:22:12] <AV500> or search engine driven mobile phones
  • [17:22:31] <bobkatzz> ok did it
  • [17:22:37] <koen> LoneMeow: the touchbook people are investing a lot in 32bpp
  • [17:22:49] <LoneMeow> mmyep, as to be expected
  • [17:23:06] <LoneMeow> someone could hint them we could write them some 32bpp NEON... ;)
  • [17:23:24] <bobkatzz> swapped directory names
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  • [17:24:38] <raster> LoneMeow: i don't know. undithered 6bpp is still awful there.
  • [17:24:49] <raster> just put a wallpaper of a nice horizon with sky...
  • [17:24:54] <raster> it looks awful
  • [17:25:42] <AV500> raster: yep
  • [17:25:59] <AV500> thats why we put the wallpaper into a video plane :-)
  • [17:28:39] <raster> yeah - but then u suffer from 1/4 the crhoma quality
  • [17:28:51] <raster> which itself can be pretty nasty for anything that isnt blurry
  • [17:29:09] <raster> (eg 3d rendered or drawn/stylistic artwork)
  • [17:29:17] <LoneMeow> using 16bpp saves quite a lot of memory bandwidth though
  • [17:29:34] <raster> LoneMeow: thats true. thats why you want more mem bw
  • [17:29:35] <raster> :)
  • [17:29:38] <LoneMeow> well yea
  • [17:29:47] <AV500> raster: yes, but not for your kids photo jpg as wallpaper
  • [17:29:49] <LoneMeow> that's what I told the ARM guys when we were in a bar with them in an informal chat
  • [17:30:05] <raster> 32bpp is where you no longer are making quality tradeoffs
  • [17:30:12] <raster> then its just # o pixels to draw
  • [17:30:14] <LoneMeow> told them I want proper SIMD (which NEON is) and a lot of bandwidth please
  • [17:30:30] <LoneMeow> maybe v8 will have proper bus speeds
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  • [17:30:45] <raster> AV500: yes. but why have a solution that only handles some cases? :) better one that handles all cases
  • [17:30:46] <raster> :)
  • [17:30:50] <LoneMeow> then again, there's at least one non-Cortex-based v7 core out there...
  • [17:30:56] <ssvb> raster: you can have rgb video plane on omap easily
  • [17:31:04] <AV500> raster: yes of course, but are used to work what we have :-)
  • [17:31:12] <raster> LoneMeow: to be honest... one thing i'd love in neon - is actually texel address compute + fetch logic
  • [17:31:19] <AV500> so we take all the SOC features and put them to work
  • [17:31:26] <raster> that can do the fetch from a tiled buffer
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  • [17:31:34] <raster> and even do multi-fetch and interpolate for you
  • [17:31:41] <AV500> and if we have HW transparency for free, we use it
  • [17:31:49] <raster> as ell as the reverse (write out texel push)
  • [17:32:10] <raster> ssvb: but then you're back to 32bit anyway... or 16bit...
  • [17:32:14] <raster> so it doesnt matter
  • [17:32:21] <ssvb> yes
  • [17:32:24] <raster> yuv is about 1/2 the bandwidth of 24bpp
  • [17:32:27] <LoneMeow> what I'd want is multiply-returning-high-half that isn't doubling :P
  • [17:32:32] <raster> and 16bpp about half that of 32
  • [17:32:44] <raster> (really 24bpp isnt used thanks to its unaligned nature)
  • [17:33:01] <LoneMeow> 24bpp would be the worst PITA ever
  • [17:33:05] <LoneMeow> especially with SIMD instructions
  • [17:33:20] <raster> AV500: sure! but there's nothing wrong with wanting more. if we didint push/demand for more... it wouldnt happen
  • [17:33:21] <raster> :)
  • [17:33:34] <raster> LoneMeow: absolutely. thats why its pretty much dead
  • [17:33:52] <AV500> raster: I agree
  • [17:34:04] <raster> AV500: we should push ti for omap4...
  • [17:34:11] <AV500> as if we are not telling TI what to do for years...
  • [17:34:14] <raster> it wont - of coursre - happen foromap3
  • [17:34:19] <raster> hahahaha
  • [17:34:33] <raster> "more memory bandwidth thanks."
  • [17:34:51] <raster> actually just more arm cores, more neon cores, more mem bandwidth. i'll be happy
  • [17:34:57] <LoneMeow> just make a good case for it, blog about it
  • [17:35:10] <raster> (and look at some instructions for textel fetch/address calc)
  • [17:35:11] <LoneMeow> "as you can see graphics performance is already dominated by memory bandwidth blah blah blah"
  • [17:35:36] <raster> LoneMeow: i prefer to write code, have benchmarks then winge :)
  • [17:35:54] <raster> and i need to get back to than neon...
  • [17:36:42] <koen> raster: "we've reviewed your memory bandwidth testcase and it's just calling functions, so it's cpu bound"
  • [17:36:55] <AV500> koen: :-))
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  • [17:37:27] <raster> koen: hahahahahhahahahahaha
  • [17:38:09] <raster> ok fewding time
  • [17:38:33] <koen> LoneMeow: there's (I think) a rounding error in the neon stuff Jonathan submitted
  • [17:40:00] <LoneMeow> koen, I believe they did run pixel-by-pixel compares with the existing C code, but I am not 100% sure as I haven't been working in that project for a while now
  • [17:40:00] <ssvb> koen: that's why automated tests are important, they make life way easier
  • [17:42:24] <koen> LoneMeow, ssvb: have a look at http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cfe19862afe80f1693324aa8ca645bdf.png
  • [17:42:33] <ssvb> I did
  • [17:42:46] <AV500> the font is too small on the kbd
  • [17:42:47] <koen> right, you're on cairo-devel :)
  • [17:43:56] <LoneMeow> koen, right, I suppose jmorton will check that out tomorrow when he's at the office
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  • [17:47:12] <ssvb> koen: submitting proper tests along with armv6 optimized blitters is on my TODO list, would be not too nice to let this code bitrot
  • [17:47:15] <koen> LoneMeow: I suspect it's a "didn't test 32bpp" problem again :)
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  • [17:47:30] <LoneMeow> I don't think we touched any 32bpp paths though
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  • [17:48:19] <LoneMeow> what's the OE/?ngstr?m stance on runtime vs compile-time detection for stuff like NEON btw?
  • [17:48:26] <LoneMeow> just out of curiosity
  • [17:50:03] <koen> LoneMeow: ideally it would be runtime, but I can live with compile time as well
  • [17:50:22] <koen> LoneMeow: all angstrom packages have archs like 'armv6', 'armv7a', etc
  • [17:50:41] <koen> no "everything is armel or die" debian politics :)
  • [17:51:19] <LoneMeow> mmyea, mostly asking because I see mozilla pushing heavily for "everything *must* detect runtime", yet I can't really see the need on embedded platforms
  • [17:51:44] <ali_as> Little endian or die?
  • [17:51:46] <koen> arm isn't x86, which mozilla people can't seem to grasp
  • [17:51:49] <LoneMeow> my mozilla patch work is kinda stalled on that, since I just can't make myself copypaste the same detection code to 3 different places in the tree, yet there's no clean solution for sharing it between totally different libs
  • [17:51:54] <LoneMeow> koen, indeed
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  • [17:52:19] <koen> it took them how many years to figure out that the hardcoding fpa is bad?
  • [17:53:20] <LoneMeow> "too many" :P
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  • [17:54:24] <koen> LoneMeow: although it should be trivial to parse /proc/cpuinfo and enable neon/vfp/etc based on that
  • [17:54:47] <LoneMeow> they seem to be going for the ELF env passed from kernel currently
  • [17:54:55] <koen> the hwcaps?
  • [17:54:57] <LoneMeow> ye
  • [17:55:35] <koen> that would work as well
  • [17:55:58] <koen> and probably catch "cpu supports NEON, but 1337 developer disabled it in KConfig" problems
  • [17:56:14] <LoneMeow> someone really should write some libhwcaps or something that would provide a nice cross platform way of getting things like NEON/MMX/SSE support etc
  • [17:56:27] <LoneMeow> (someone = me, probably, but I don't ever have the time....)
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  • [17:56:58] <koen> LoneMeow: and how many $$$$$$$$ do you have to convince mozilla to use it?
  • [17:57:21] <LoneMeow> I doubt it'd be too hard actually, seeing how many places they duplicate the CPUID code for x86 on etc
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  • [18:00:11] <ssvb> LoneMeow: add liboil dependency just for cpu capabilities detection? ;-)
  • [18:00:19] <LoneMeow> no thanks :/
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  • [18:00:25] <ssvb> lol
  • [18:00:34] <LoneMeow> would probably make more sense to just export the cpu_has_somecap() routines from pixman :P
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  • [18:00:45] <koen> ssvb: liboil is soooo last year, orc is all the rage now :)
  • [18:01:18] <ssvb> koen: what's it?
  • [18:02:02] <ssvb> kind of pointless to go and ask google in this case :)
  • [18:02:42] <koen> ssvb: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~ds/orc
  • [18:02:42] <ssvb> though there is some info in liboil context
  • [18:03:17] <koen> ssvb: http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/05/31/orc-040/ gives some more info
  • [18:03:38] <LoneMeow> how good is the Orc codegen on ARM?
  • [18:03:55] <LoneMeow> oh, "The NEON and c64x+ backends are not currently open source." :(
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  • [18:06:01] <koen> LoneMeow: have a look at http://pastebin.com/m3ad4e5b0
  • [18:06:13] <janrinze> that is seriously too bad.. would love to get some acceleration
  • [18:06:14] <koen> LoneMeow: or check the irc log of #beagle from 23 hours ago ;)
  • [18:06:22] <ssvb> koen: does not sound too promising, but might be good for prototyping
  • [18:06:37] <LoneMeow> koen, ahha ;)
  • [18:06:56] <janrinze> any chance that TI will have close-sourced drivers and such available for linux?
  • [18:07:25] <koen> LoneMeow: and 'ds' (not 'ds2') on this channel is the main author
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  • [18:08:13] <ds2> =)
  • [18:09:21] <ds2> koen: since you have a leopard board, can you see a reason why the camera board cannot be made to be parallel to themainboard?
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  • [18:09:50] <AV500> ds2: mainboard flat on table, camera records room
  • [18:10:01] <koen> ds2: no technical one
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  • [18:10:21] <AV500> every cam addon for ti evms was always 90degress to the evm :-)
  • [18:10:24] <ds2> AV500: I know it can do that...but the right angle nature makes it take a lot of volume
  • [18:10:24] <koen> AV500: the composite plug is preventing it to be flat ont he table :)
  • [18:10:40] <AV500> koen: meh
  • [18:10:53] <ds2> making it parallel would simplify flying that camera
  • [18:11:03] <AV500> anybody want CCD cam for a DSC21 :-)
  • [18:11:15] <ds2> what is a DSC21?
  • [18:11:20] <ds> if people have suggestions for ways mozilla can be improved on Arm, let me know and I can pass the information on. I'm currently doing a bunch of OMAP-related stuff for Mozilla Corp
  • [18:11:21] <AV500> ds2: no, it would only record things that fly above it :-)
  • [18:11:45] <ds2> AV500: no. the board itself will be parallel to the flying device, in this case, a rocket
  • [18:11:49] <koen> ds: "make it work with autoconf >2.13" ?
  • [18:11:59] <ds2> in thee 70's and 80's, there were the Estes Astro cam
  • [18:12:05] <ds> hahaha. no
  • [18:12:13] <ds2> now it is time for a flying leopard ;)
  • [18:12:19] <AV500> ds2: e.g. http://brockfrazier.com/mirror/ridgerun/www.ridgerun.com/products/dsp/index.html
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  • [18:12:35] <koen> ds: there's a thread on the cairo list on how to improve scrolling performance
  • [18:13:06] <LoneMeow> the thread about pixman and overlapping blits?
  • [18:13:14] <koen> ds: and it would be nice if stuff like this: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=bf7b8723a08c0885081238da9ef2f154fc6ca5c4 went upstream
  • [18:13:19] <koen> LoneMeow: yes
  • [18:13:29] <ds2> now if they made a pig or a swine board....
  • [18:13:33] <LoneMeow> koen, mmyep, that'd be a huge boost though it requires some Xorg changes also
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  • [18:15:27] <LoneMeow> hmm, btw, has anyone else noticed issues with gcc and NEON qX-regs in clobberlist?
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  • [18:15:52] <AV500> LoneMeow: wouldnt be surprised
  • [18:16:04] <LoneMeow> my CS 2007q3 gcc seems to not save regs properly if I have qX-regs in clobberlist, however if I have the exact equivalent reglist as dX-regs it works fine...
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  • [18:16:31] <LoneMeow> didn't have time to try with other compilers yet, sadly enough
  • [18:16:49] <AV500> good old 2007q3 :-)
  • [18:17:11] <LoneMeow> sadly it's the only CS release before 2009q1 that works enough for us to get full builds through
  • [18:17:18] <LoneMeow> 2009q1 seems okay so far, though
  • [18:17:31] * AV500 might try 2009q1 then
  • [18:18:02] <LoneMeow> at least the few packages I've built with it seem to actually work and I haven't had an ICE yet
  • [18:18:18] <AV500> koen: got a url for that cairo mozilla discussion
  • [18:18:32] <AV500> LoneMeow: what are you building in the end?
  • [18:18:44] <LoneMeow> av500, the biggest thing I tried was something I can't mention :(
  • [18:18:48] <koen> AV500: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2009-June/
  • [18:18:57] <LoneMeow> but I built a few random packages from our ALIP distro to test it out and it seemed to work fine
  • [18:19:21] <AV500> ah, movial
  • [18:20:17] <LoneMeow> ah right, I keep forgetting that this isn't my work-IRC so it's not instantly visible in hostmask
  • [18:20:39] <koen> denix: any objections to http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=7de59dc4fd12a7cb4b9c90e7d6edbdcbf416cffa ?
  • [18:22:18] <denix> koen: I haven't checked staging/vpfe branch yet
  • [18:23:00] <denix> koen: but otherwise looks fine
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  • [18:27:06] <koen> denix: I'll push my staging branch next week
  • [18:27:43] <denix> which staging branch?
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  • [18:28:35] <koen> denix: this one: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/ :)
  • [18:28:37] <mru> LoneMeow: I've been discussion with ARM how best to detect various hardware properties
  • [18:28:40] <mru> neon etc
  • [18:29:03] <LoneMeow> mru, personally I don't see *that* much need for runtime detection, it's not like on desktops where you'd expect the same binary to run everywhere
  • [18:29:30] <mru> tell that to ubuntu et al
  • [18:29:55] <LoneMeow> well, yea, that's what you get when you try to do the desktop-way of doing things on embedded :/
  • [18:29:56] <koen> ubuntu suffers from the fact that dpkg has hardcoded arch tables
  • [18:30:02] <LoneMeow> v7 binaries won't run on v6 anyway eventually
  • [18:30:08] <AV500> if there are really to be arm based netbooks in the future, their better all have the same ARM inside then :-)
  • [18:30:11] <LoneMeow> when we get compilers that will actually emit MOVT/MOVW
  • [18:30:15] <mru> we came to the conclusion that exporting the cp15 cpuid registers in sysfs is probably the best way to go
  • [18:30:20] <LoneMeow> and you really want MOVT/MOVW when you can
  • [18:30:24] <mru> LoneMeow: gcc will use movt/movw
  • [18:30:38] <LoneMeow> did the patch get applied yet?
  • [18:30:50] <LoneMeow> I saw a patch on some gcc list but haven't checked if it's in mainline yet
  • [18:32:16] <LoneMeow> exporting cp15 cpuid regs makes sense though
  • [18:32:41] <LoneMeow> for cases where you really honestly want to do runtime detection
  • [18:32:42] <mru> the plan is to filter them and remove anything the kernel doesn't support
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  • [18:33:41] <mru> those registers also tell you cache configuration and other things that can be useful to know
  • [18:33:46] <LoneMeow> I don't exactly like having to parse them from data read from a file, though, but I can live with it
  • [18:34:05] <mru> we could make a lib for that
  • [18:34:12] <AV500> mru: "how can I enable L1NEON" :-)
  • [18:34:26] <mru> AV500: use angstrom
  • [18:34:38] <AV500> meh
  • [18:34:47] * mru doesn't use angstrom
  • [18:35:28] <AV500> mru: but in the end they both succeeded, after realizing that uboot in flash does not change by itself :-
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  • [18:39:07] <carlnorum> Hi everybody. Is there any documentation about the recommended beagle clock tree setup? PLL settings, clock dividers, etc? We're trying to boot the board from scratch and running into lots of timing/clock weirdness we didn't see when we had X-loader and/or uboot running before our code.
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  • [18:41:11] <AV500> carlnorum: OMAP3 TRM?
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  • [18:42:01] <ali_as> carlnorum, what is this for?
  • [18:43:58] <ali_as> We have exactly the sam issue on RiscOS, our current solution is to just use u-boot for now.
  • [18:44:16] <AV500> what are the issues?
  • [18:45:29] <ali_as> DSS failing to lock, there are probably deeper issues of setup.
  • [18:45:31] <carlnorum> Just general clocking hiccups; data aborts accessing unlocked peripherals, etc.
  • [18:45:55] <carlnorum> Since uboot/xloader/linux seem to be working reliably, we're hoping to leverage that clocking strategy.
  • [18:46:19] <carlnorum> Right now it works ok - we can get to our shell prompt, but there are some drivers that don't work as expected, and timers are being a bit wonky.
  • [18:46:46] <carlnorum> AV500, yeah we have the TRM - I don't mean documentation about how to set it up, more about what to set it to... if that makes sense.
  • [18:48:03] <AV500> ali_as: DSS is touchy
  • [18:48:53] <AV500> carlnorum: havent seen much info apart from TRM and what is in uboot and linux kernel
  • [18:49:32] <AV500> carlnorum: and of course you have to clock all the periphs you try to access
  • [18:49:36] <carlnorum> AV500, ok thanks... that''s what I was afraid of
  • [18:49:42] <carlnorum> sure, of course =)
  • [18:49:42] <AV500> but then I doubt uboot clocks them all
  • [18:50:02] <AV500> normally kernel drivers make sure they get clock and release it at the end
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  • [20:01:38] <kemal> hi everybody
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  • [20:02:14] <kemal> I just wonder if it does take too long time to build a single hello world application using bitbake
  • [20:02:43] <kemal> I was nearly 2 hours ago I started bitbake
  • [20:03:45] <kemal> any answer?
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  • [20:06:31] <kemalmemis> hello there
  • [20:06:44] <kemalmemis> any answer to my question??
  • [20:06:53] <AV500> all asleep
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  • [20:07:38] <kemalmemis> :(
  • [20:08:00] <AV500> be patient
  • [20:08:40] <kemalmemis> have u built any app using bitbake?
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  • [20:10:11] <LoneMeow> building the whole ?ngstr?m (x11-image) took something like 2h 30min on a 3GHz Core 2 Duo if memory serves, with BB_THREADS set to 3 and PARALLEL_MAKE set to -j3
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  • [20:11:35] <kemalmemis> but I have already had a demo angstrom image
  • [20:11:50] <kemalmemis> I just want to compile a helloworld application
  • [20:11:58] <shell> kemalmemis: on the beagleboard?
  • [20:12:29] <LoneMeow> it still has to compile all the toolchains and libraries needed
  • [20:12:46] <kemalmemis> I suppose that when I run bitbake first time it bitbakes all the oe recipes
  • [20:12:54] <kemalmemis> is that right?
  • [20:13:22] <LoneMeow> you mean the caching phase? no, that just... analyzes the files and builds a cache
  • [20:13:39] <kemalmemis> u mean it will take not too long time when I compile second time?
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  • [20:14:08] <LoneMeow> well, that too
  • [20:14:30] <shell> set the verbose level and debug level if you're in doubt if its running or not.
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  • [20:15:24] <kemalmemis> I can see the progress in the terminal
  • [20:15:27] <kemalmemis> it is running
  • [20:16:19] <kemalmemis> but I still misunderstand if I have to wait several hours for single HelloWorld app build everytime I built
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  • [20:18:18] <shell> I would have a hard time believing that aswell ..
  • [20:18:30] <shell> you're probably doing something wrong :D
  • [20:19:36] <kemalmemis> I can easily build Helloworld app using codesourcery for beagle
  • [20:20:06] <kemalmemis> but with bitbake I am waiting about 2 hours
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  • [20:20:39] <kemalmemis> and still has not succeeded to bitbake helloworld
  • [20:20:44] <kemalmemis> :(
  • [20:20:49] <LoneMeow> bitbake by itself doesn't do much
  • [20:21:17] <LoneMeow> and if you compare a binary release from CS to something that actually compiles the libraries and toolchains, it's kinda comparing apples and oranges
  • [20:22:59] <solar> kemalmemis: did you mass /msg everybody in here. So pinging me for a reason?
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  • [20:23:24] <Crofton|bold> mru, java that is run on an fpga on the screen
  • [20:23:34] <kemalmemis> do you mean everyytime I run the bitbake it will compile libraries and toolchain again and agin
  • [20:23:45] <LoneMeow> no
  • [20:24:02] <Crofton|bold> no
  • [20:24:03] <LoneMeow> it will compile them if a) they're not compiled yet or b) there's any dependency reason to recompile them
  • [20:24:29] <Crofton|bold> only if something changes in the toochain
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  • [20:24:41] <koen> raster: bastard, systray is absorted into e ;)
  • [20:25:00] <koen> or c) you didn't set TMPDIR properly
  • [20:25:25] <Crofton|bold> What window manager does angstrom run
  • [20:25:36] <koen> like to '.' and you keep switching dirs between invocations
  • [20:25:44] <kemalmemis> so the time for the second bitbake of helloworld will take too short,huh?
  • [20:25:48] <koen> Crofton|bold: the one you installed
  • [20:25:48] <Crofton|bold> urg
  • [20:26:15] <LoneMeow> x11-image has matchbox by default IIRC
  • [20:26:26] <Crofton|bold> let me rephrase is e the same as enlightenment?
  • [20:26:51] <Crofton|bold> I had the mobile tmpdir issue when I started with oe
  • [20:27:39] <koen> Crofton|bold: demo-image uses e17 as default
  • [20:27:50] <koen> Crofton|bold: you can use e16 if you want as well
  • [20:28:26] <Crofton|bold> please note, I mostly use the serial port :)
  • [20:31:08] <Crofton|bold> some guy jere was shocked when I told him we run x on the beagle
  • [20:31:41] <koen> I run X on 200MHz strongarms
  • [20:31:43] <Crofton|bold> how hard would it be to build the gnuradio qt stuff?
  • [20:31:48] <koen> hell, I run X on 140MHz avr32s
  • [20:32:00] <Crofton|bold> I know, I told him that :)
  • [20:32:16] <koen> Crofton|bold: not hard if its qt4 based
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  • [20:38:42] <shell> koen: what is your day job?
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  • [20:44:22] <florian> koen: Ever seen this? Looks like some ubifs related problem. http://pastebin.com/d56118e1a
  • [20:44:55] <florian> shell: studies if i'm up to date :-)
  • [20:48:04] <koen> florian: I've heard of people having those errors, but I haven't been able to reproduce them
  • [20:50:53] <ali_as> he previous question right.
  • [20:50:59] <ali_as> Frell.
  • [20:51:26] <ali_as> Sorry, wrong channel.
  • [20:52:14] <florian> koen: hmm... ok, I can't override the version per default, right?
  • [20:52:28] <ssvb> koen: found at least one bug in pixman neon code
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  • [20:53:26] <cki> Hey all ; ]
  • [20:53:56] <koen> florian: you'll use ubifs support if you do
  • [20:54:00] <koen> florian: ehm
  • [20:54:04] <koen> florian: s/use/loose/
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  • [21:01:26] <sakoman__> koen: have you had any issues with ekiga crashing on launch?
  • [21:01:58] <koen> ssvb: do tell :)
  • [21:02:18] <koen> sakoman__: yes, and to make it worse, installing debug symbols makes it crash instantly
  • [21:02:24] <koen> sakoman__: I suspect ptlib
  • [21:02:48] <florian> koen: I can live with that currently :-)
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  • [21:08:48] <sakoman__> koen: thanks for confirming. I hate version bumps that cause regressions :-(
  • [21:09:33] <koen> sakoman__: me too, but I never got conferencing (that wasn't an echo test) to work
  • [21:09:53] <koen> so it still provides the same features: not doing what it is supposed to do :(
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  • [21:10:31] <sakoman__> at least before you could demo the echo test (with webcam video playing)
  • [21:11:05] <koen> yeah
  • [21:11:26] <koen> I keep meaning to look into it
  • [21:11:45] <sakoman__> I put it on my todo list
  • [21:11:51] <sakoman__> but at the bottom :-)
  • [21:12:43] <ssvb> koen: http://siarhei.siamashka.name/gitweb/?p=pixman.git;a=commit;h=de44f99eb3a1ec973fb9a0bbdbdd041cb58f9aa2
  • [21:12:53] <ssvb> koen: sending it to the mailing list now
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  • [21:16:56] <koen> ssvb: thanks!
  • [21:17:00] <bobkatzz> yep - it was BitDefender
  • [21:17:39] <ssvb> koen: it would be nice if you could check if it helps with angstrom login screen
  • [21:17:43] <bobkatzz> koen - bitbake console-image - is perking now - that nasty gzip problem was the antivirus
  • [21:17:55] <bobkatzz> software
  • [21:18:29] <ssvb> koen: code has too many special cases, so I'm not quite sure if it was the only bug
  • [21:18:54] <koen> bobkatzz: good to know!
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  • [21:19:12] <koen> ssvb: I'll try to test soon, but my parents are dropping by tomorrow...
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  • [21:19:52] <bobkatzz> yeah and it was not that hard to turn off (unprotected now - vulnerable to internet std's :) )
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  • [21:26:45] <bobkatzz> koen - you sure about running bitbake console-image before hamlib? looks like it gonna be a loooooong time! :P
  • [21:28:44] <likewise> hi all
  • [21:31:17] <bobkatzz> likewise: hey
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  • [21:55:38] <djlewis> ping sakoman__
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  • [21:56:45] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [21:57:08] <djlewis> hmmm hmmm dee dum, hmmm. :)
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  • [22:01:59] <djlewis> this is repair laptop day for me.
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  • [22:04:21] <ds2> oh?
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  • [22:05:24] <mru> Crofton|work: are you trying to wind me up? mentioning java...
  • [22:06:28] <djlewis> part of my, fix computers, job.
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  • [22:17:23] <sakoman__> djlewis: pong
  • [22:17:29] <djlewis> Hi,
  • [22:17:50] <djlewis> sakoman__: I saw your earlier mention of Ekiga and it was broke on the ver I have too.
  • [22:18:08] <sakoman__> yup, has been for a few eeks now
  • [22:18:13] <sakoman__> weeks
  • [22:18:22] <djlewis> Also some of the graphic demos in the demo folder cause lockup of Beagle.
  • [22:18:44] <djlewis> eeks! not that long :(
  • [22:18:55] <sakoman__> some or all?
  • [22:19:11] <djlewis> some. was not important to me to trouble shoot but I can.
  • [22:19:21] <sakoman__> they are the exact same binaries that have always been there
  • [22:19:29] <sakoman__> let me know which ones don't work
  • [22:19:40] <djlewis> The morphing skull works.
  • [22:20:10] <sakoman__> I usually just try ChameleonMan and cal it good
  • [22:20:37] <djlewis> I don't use Ekiga, I was just trying it for webcam test.
  • [22:20:40] <sakoman__> Just one of me so I don't have the time/energy to test everything with every build :-)
  • [22:21:05] <djlewis> that's cool with me man, I just mentioned cause the subject was up.
  • [22:21:12] <djlewis> Glad to help where I can if asked.
  • [22:21:13] <sakoman__> I use Cheese to test webcam now
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  • [22:21:31] <sakoman__> bug reports are always welcome!
  • [22:21:42] <djlewis> I found palantir wont work with my cams. talked with developer
  • [22:21:53] <djlewis> and he will try to add support later.
  • [22:22:14] <djlewis> Where do bug reports go? I dont like to be the critical sounding one
  • [22:22:16] <djlewis> all the time.
  • [22:22:34] <sakoman__> Just email me :-) That's what other people do
  • [22:22:41] <sakoman__> Or ping me here
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  • [22:23:02] <djlewis> I am looking for a low overhead webcam streamer I can analyse the video from.
  • [22:23:12] <djlewis> cool on bugs then.
  • [22:23:16] <sakoman__> mplayer?
  • [22:23:36] <djlewis> Works great but ffstream or something is missing.
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  • [22:23:44] <djlewis> it is separate.
  • [22:23:56] <djlewis> not in angstrom
  • [22:24:14] <sakoman__> ah, I've never tried it myself. just have seem others mention using it
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  • [22:25:43] <djlewis> it is an addon for streaming out that is not in Angstrom set. I am trying to google the name.
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  • [22:29:12] <djlewis> sakoman__: I think it is called ffserver
  • [22:29:38] <mru> ffserver is part of ffmpeg
  • [22:29:51] <djlewis> Not built into it though?
  • [22:29:59] <mru> it's a separare executable
  • [22:30:10] <djlewis> is it available for angstrom?
  • [22:30:12] <mru> but it's part of the standard source distribution
  • [22:30:52] <sakoman__> djlewis: this command works for me:
  • [22:31:06] <sakoman__> mplayer tv:// -tvdriver=v4l2 width=320:height=240:fps=60:device=/d
  • [22:31:07] <sakoman__> ev/video0 -nosound
  • [22:31:28] <sakoman__> sorry for the chopped line!
  • [22:31:48] <djlewis> Yep, I dont have any prob with mplayer. It does my webcams and off the internet video.
  • [22:32:36] <djlewis> I can play both webcams at same time if I use -vo xv and -vo fb
  • [22:33:03] <sakoman__> ah, I see, you want to stream your webcam video
  • [22:33:10] <sakoman__> I need some coffee
  • [22:33:37] <djlewis> yep, you fixed me up with that build several weeks back.
  • [22:33:44] <djlewis> Still working on streaming from BB
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  • [22:34:33] <djlewis> I dont think BB has enough horse power to capture live from webcam and analyse with openCV
  • [22:34:40] <djlewis> for decision making to robot.
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  • [22:35:46] <sakoman__> won't know for certain till you try!
  • [22:36:29] <sakoman__> ffserver build is disabled in the OE ffmpeg recipe
  • [22:36:36] <djlewis> I will try :) , I read on the groups openCV is having some issues but I have not looked into it.
  • [22:36:53] <djlewis> I have been testint openCV on my Linux wkstn.
  • [22:36:55] <sakoman__> not sure if that is because it won't build, or what
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  • [22:37:52] <florian> djlewis: I'd give it a try... I'n currently reading a book about object recognition on embedded platforms. THis guy used a small Blackfin...
  • [22:38:37] <djlewis> florian: I almost got the srv-1 camera from Surveyor
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  • [22:38:57] <djlewis> I have been reading up on that list too.
  • [22:39:25] <djlewis> The srv blackfin uses a c-intreperter and no OS. less overhead
  • [22:40:06] <djlewis> well, i suppose that makes for an OS of sorts.
  • [22:40:31] <florian> yes but it is less advanced hardware... but with some interesting stream processing capabilities
  • [22:41:52] <florian> There is a similar Blackfin in my ip telephony box... unused from what I know. I wonder if that would be a cool device to control a robot :)
  • [22:46:37] <mru> which blackfin is that?
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  • [22:58:52] <florian> mru: i don't remeber... iirc some bf5xx but i'm not sure
  • [22:59:01] <djlewis> the srv uses a 537
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  • [23:14:17] <mru> I have a bf537 dev board, main issue is memory fragmentation in linux
  • [23:14:53] <djlewis> I avoided the srv BF537 for reason of very little memory.
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  • [23:15:07] <mru> mine has 64MB
  • [23:15:12] <djlewis> I think I read too that it uses a memory paging system of 64k blocks.
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  • [23:15:31] <mru> it's just a flat address space
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  • [23:15:33] <mru> no mmu
  • [23:15:55] <djlewis> cpu add'y pins strait to ram?
  • [23:16:21] <mru> it has a crude protection unit that can restrict access
  • [23:16:30] <mru> but no virtual address mapping
  • [23:17:22] <djlewis> it is time for me to head to the country, work day here is done.
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  • [23:18:07] <djlewis> I'll monitor after a bit.
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  • [23:20:01] <florian> mru: heh.... where in this worls are you? :)
  • [23:20:06] <florian> eh world
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  • [23:22:00] <mru> florian: california
  • [23:22:16] <ds2> mru: where in CA?
  • [23:22:24] <mru> costa mesa
  • [23:22:35] <ds2> down south
  • [23:22:40] <mru> yep
  • [23:22:45] <mru> going to SF tomorrow
  • [23:23:00] <ds2> SF for fun or work?
  • [23:23:07] <mru> for fun
  • [23:23:17] <florian> mru:
  • [23:23:19] <ds2> is Costa Mesa also for fun?
  • [23:23:30] <mru> no, that's work
  • [23:23:35] <mru> hence the customers
  • [23:23:46] <ds2> ah
  • [23:23:50] <ds2> when you leaving SF?
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  • [23:24:07] <florian> mru: ok... well, in europe its past midnight now and a customer meeting at this time would be funny :)
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  • [23:25:06] <mru> +g
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