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  • [00:22:36] <bobkatzz> would that have anything to do with permissions on that file?
  • [00:22:53] <bobkatzz> -rw-r--r-- 1 bobkatzz bobkatzz 537 May 28 15:26 /home/bobkatzz/openembedded/recipes/gnu-config/gnu-config-native_20050701.bb
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  • [00:53:16] <Guest95526> hi has anyone tried using extra serial port on the expansion pins on beagleboard
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  • [00:55:08] <Beagle9> hi has anyone tried using extra serial port on the expansion pins on beagleboard
  • [00:55:34] <ali_as> Not that I've heard, youd need a voltage converter.
  • [00:55:55] <Beagle9> ok
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  • [00:57:36] <Beagle9> i read the details in beagleboard user manual .... but looking for details from someone who have already tried it
  • [01:01:30] <bobkatzz> changed the permissions but that didn't do anything
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  • [01:06:39] <ali_as> Why do you need another serial port?
  • [01:10:49] <bobkatzz> NOTE: preferred version git of u-boot not available (for item u-boot) << --- getting this every build - ??
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  • [01:16:09] <bobkatzz> well one thing is for sure - that error is going to fail everything so I need to know what it will take to fix it
  • [01:16:56] <bobkatzz> I have "googled" my brains out on that file and have not found anything useful except that I'm not the only one having problems with it
  • [01:17:38] <bobkatzz> gnu-config-native_20050701.bb
  • [01:17:40] <Guest95526> @ali --- i am working on an application i.e. wireless communication between two beagleboards using zigbee networks .....
  • [01:18:32] <Guest95526> @ali ..... we have our own zigbee boards with serial ports .... i need to interface those boards with beagble board
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  • [01:25:17] <bobkatzz> also - tar: /home/bobkatzz/downloads/config_cvs.sv.gnu.org__20050701.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
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  • [01:26:06] <bobkatzz> seems like a whole lot of stuff with the "20050701" designate is somehow wrong or missing
  • [01:26:42] <bobkatzz> counting down from 20 then I'm going to rip everything out and start over for the 4th time
  • [01:28:23] <bobkatzz> ok then . . .
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  • [01:46:18] <bobkatzz> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/aGzhiR
  • [01:46:42] <bobkatzz> that's what I'm getting - if anyone would like to comment - tnx
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  • [02:35:52] <bobkatzz> one thing that jumps out at me - is that gnu-config-native_20050701.bb does not have a method (or function) do_unpack()
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  • [02:36:59] <bobkatzz> rather, it has the method do_stage - however - what is being called by bitbake is "do-unpack" that would seem to be wrong - to me
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  • [03:44:28] <kinzeron> hi
  • [03:44:55] <kinzeron> Openembedded just finished compiling the console version of angstrom
  • [03:45:10] <kinzeron> i don't see any audio driver in the /dev section
  • [03:45:26] <kinzeron> is that normal?
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  • [03:59:09] <BeagleB> where i can find memory map of beagleboard
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  • [05:37:18] <niral> hi
  • [05:37:40] <niral> has any one ran SDL on the beagle board?
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  • [05:56:27] <dev001> hi
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  • [06:14:49] <recalcati> morning
  • [06:17:58] <dev001> gm
  • [06:18:23] <dev001> how can i allocate memory from onchip ram
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  • [06:23:40] <AV500> there is no standard way
  • [06:24:07] <recalcati> bitbake u-boot is good to have a boot loader for rev B7 ?
  • [06:24:17] <recalcati> and xloader ?
  • [06:26:56] <AV500> dev001: for code or data?
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  • [06:49:29] <dev001> data
  • [06:49:50] <dev001> AV500 : data memory
  • [06:50:57] <niral> any body has ran sdl on beagle board?
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  • [06:59:54] <AV500> dev001: there is no standard API for that. You can just create a symbol in the right section and export it
  • [07:00:13] <AV500> beware that some suspend stuff might use internal mem as well, not sure about that.
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  • [07:11:47] <niral> hi av500 v2.6.30-rc7 contains changes to display more than vga resolution on LCD?any idea?
  • [07:12:38] <recalcati> for compiling xloader what is the preferred toolchain ?
  • [07:14:03] <AV500> niral: ???
  • [07:15:19] <niral> kernel version 2.6.30-rc7 has the capability to display more than vga resolution?
  • [07:15:50] <AV500> maybe
  • [07:15:54] <AV500> I have no idea
  • [07:16:11] <niral> ok thanks ...
  • [07:16:27] <AV500> I would say it depends on the LCD you connect and it's driver/settings
  • [07:17:04] <niral> but still kernel will set video resolution....the lcd i have is capable of doing that
  • [07:17:34] <AV500> I thought you set the res in the command line?
  • [07:17:54] <niral> yes i tried doing that but it is not accepting
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  • [07:23:04] <mib_8p8opu> I heard there were some issues with connecting it to an s-video display. is this true?
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  • [07:29:48] <niral> when ever I boot my bb from ramdisk it is displaying on LCD what is uncompressing and all but when I am booting my beagle board from partition 2 (ext3) it is not displaying any thing on LCD
  • [07:29:52] <niral> any idea why?
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  • [07:45:55] <mib_8p8opu> display driver goblins?
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  • [07:54:51] <recalcati> I have re-created x-loder and u-boot, I'm restarting pressing user buttong and reset, but bb doens't use them. Any idea?
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  • [08:02:08] <recalcati> ok, I've changed the u-boot prompt and I see it
  • [08:05:01] <recalcati> I've again, with stable/2009 2.6.29, the usb problem http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/BP8AZV
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  • [08:18:48] <recalcati> I unplug the apple store usb to ethernet and the pb went away. Strange.
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  • [08:19:33] <recalcati> usb 2-1.1: device v05ac p1402 is not supported
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  • [08:47:24] <niral> do we have DSS support in kernel 2.6.30-rc 7??
  • [08:47:56] <niral> dss2
  • [08:49:12] <recalcati> niral: don't know. don't you mean anyway DSS2 ?
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  • [08:50:59] <niral> yes DSS2
  • [08:51:39] <niral> beacuase when i giving DSS2 options in the def config file it is ignoring it and not writing it in to the .config file.
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  • [08:51:59] <niral> even if i change the .config file while making uImage it is removing it..
  • [08:53:35] <niral> i am not able to get fb in that kernel
  • [08:54:18] <recalcati> change .config
  • [08:54:26] <recalcati> then make oldconfig
  • [08:54:45] <recalcati> then bitbake linux-yourversion -c compile -d
  • [08:54:47] <recalcati> then bitbake linux-yourversion -c compile -f
  • [08:54:56] <recalcati> not -d , -f
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  • [08:56:24] <niral> bitbake command not found
  • [08:57:11] <niral> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/hmkWFu
  • [08:57:21] <niral> i m building in this way
  • [08:57:24] <niral> ..
  • [08:57:50] <niral> i have one old code ther it is working
  • [08:58:08] <niral> kernel code there dss2 and frame buffer working
  • [08:58:19] <niral> but in this new kernel it is not wroking
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  • [09:00:38] <florian> good morning
  • [09:01:02] <adj> niral: why don't you just use OE for kernel
  • [09:01:26] <niral> sory what is OE?
  • [09:01:33] <adj> OpenEmbedded
  • [09:02:06] <niral> u mean i should download the kernel from OE site not kernel.org and use it?
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  • [09:02:51] <adj> if you want to do it hard way, then either way, but use OE/bitbake to compile your kernel if you want to do it easily
  • [09:03:08] <adj> OE contains I guess over 100 patches for current kernel
  • [09:03:14] <adj> including DSS
  • [09:04:21] <niral> what is the official site for that kernel?i m not using git also directly downloading tar ball
  • [09:04:33] <niral> OE kernel
  • [09:04:59] <adj> you can't
  • [09:05:29] <adj> bitbake fetches the kernel I guess using git and then applies tons of patches before compiling
  • [09:07:02] <niral> ohh
  • [09:07:13] <adj> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#OpenEmbedded
  • [09:09:55] <booxter> niral: seems to be the easiest way to get kernel on beagle. Applying all the needed patches by yourself will be too hard to do and to maintain
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  • [09:12:28] <dev001> av500 : is it true that store time is more than load time
  • [09:12:43] <AV500> ???
  • [09:12:52] <BeagleB> where i can find base address of nandflash
  • [09:13:30] <dev001> stmia r0!,{r1-r3,r12} cycle takes 16 cycle
  • [09:13:45] <AV500> ah, neon
  • [09:13:55] <dev001> and ldmia r0!,{r1-r3,r12} takes 4 cycles on my beagle
  • [09:14:16] <AV500> ah no, just arm
  • [09:14:24] <dev001> yes
  • [09:14:49] <AV500> btw, how do you measure that?
  • [09:14:56] <dev001> yes
  • [09:15:09] <dev001> with performance monitor register
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  • [09:15:40] <dev001> i am doing this with loop of 1000 times and find this
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  • [09:16:10] <dev001> i dont have more idea about kernel code and u-boot code
  • [09:16:32] <AV500> dev001: what does ARM manual say?
  • [09:17:19] <dev001> according to arm manual both load and store should take same time (2 cycle)
  • [09:17:45] <dev001> this is true for is i am accessing fast memory
  • [09:17:52] <dev001> onchip ram
  • [09:18:06] <AV500> ok, so it is 2 cycles then
  • [09:18:42] <dev001> due to slow memory load takes 4 cycle but no idea about 16 cycle for store
  • [09:19:20] <dev001> i have make changes in kernel for l1neon and l2 cache enable
  • [09:19:34] <dev001> i found that l2 cache is enable
  • [09:19:39] <dev001> not sure about l1neon
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  • [09:19:58] <AV500> yes, but this is not neon, so I guess it does not matter
  • [09:21:25] <BeagleB> in which doc i can find base address of NANDFlash of BeagleBoard
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  • [09:22:37] <dev001> i have written memory store code neon and same in arm, but i found that neon store performance is little bit poor than arm code
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  • [09:24:45] <mru> ldm/stm with 4 arm registers takes 3 cycles here
  • [09:25:36] <dev001> hi mru
  • [09:27:17] <dev001> according to yesterday's discussion i have made change in u boot code "cpu\arm_cortexa8\omap3\board.c" for L1 neon disable
  • [09:27:54] <dev001> dispite of this change my kernel code print that L1NEON is of
  • [09:27:57] <dev001> off
  • [09:28:26] <mru> the kernel doesn't normally print anything about that bit
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  • [09:29:42] <dev001> i have written a code to read "MRC p15, 0, <Rd>, c1, c0, 1 ; Read Auxiliary Control Register" and rd
  • [09:30:08] <dev001> [ 0.000000] cache size identification register is e007e01a [ 0.000000] Read control register is 52 [ 0.000000] OMAP3 L1 Neon cache disabled [ 0.000000] OMAP3 L2 cache write through disabled [ 0.000000] OMAP3 L2 cache write back disabled [ 0.000000] OMAP3 L2 cache enabled
  • [09:30:59] <dev001> i will wirte this in pastebin
  • [09:31:13] <dev001> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/s5OgnH
  • [09:32:00] <dev001> mru : my kernel code print above value
  • [09:32:12] <AV500> yes, it should be 72
  • [09:32:50] <AV500> ~ # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/aux_control
  • [09:32:56] <AV500> 00000072
  • [09:36:48] <dev001> ok
  • [09:37:12] <dev001> that i can change in kernel code
  • [09:37:27] <dev001> or i have to do this with u boot code
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  • [09:42:16] <dev001> i dont have cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/aux_control this ....but while booting m printing it and it is 52 ..
  • [09:46:53] <dev001> AV500 so my l1neon is off
  • [09:47:28] <dev001> what i have to do to set l1neon
  • [09:47:29] <AV500> dev001: yes
  • [09:48:08] <dev001> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/9SwGmA
  • [09:48:14] <AV500> http://www.nabble.com/-U-Boot---PATCH--OMAP3:-set-L1NEON-bit-in-aux-control-register-td20509963.html
  • [09:48:30] <dev001> ok
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  • [09:49:00] <AV500> but this is the same
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  • [09:50:49] <dev001> ok but if (get_device_type() == GP_DEVICE) setup_auxcr();
  • [09:51:34] <dev001> it may possible my code is not entering to setup_auxcr()
  • [09:52:40] <AV500> dev001: I doubt you have anything other than a GP device
  • [09:53:07] <AV500> are you 100% sure you are running the patched uboot?
  • [09:54:16] <dev001> ok
  • [09:55:35] <dev001> i am using "u-boot-2009.06-rc2" this patch is already there
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  • [09:56:11] <dev001> and i have compiled this code and used new uboot.
  • [09:56:27] <mru> AV500: I suggested timing neon loads and stores with and w/o l1neon to see if it made a difference
  • [09:58:23] <AV500> mru: ok
  • [10:00:00] <dev001> mru : ok i will check with l1neon off and on
  • [10:00:31] <dev001> but i am not able to set control register to 0x72
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  • [10:01:11] <mru> you can only set the aux control register from u-boot in the place already mentioned
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  • [10:03:24] <dev001> yes i totally agree with you.....
  • [10:03:51] <AV500> so we all agree :-)
  • [10:04:15] <dev001> but i have build my u-boot with l1neon bit set, so it will print 0x72 because l1neon is set
  • [10:04:58] <dev001> but it print 0x52 so what should i do now.
  • [10:05:38] <mru> run the timing tests, set the bit, run tests again, compare
  • [10:05:50] <AV500> mru: he cannot set the bit he says
  • [10:06:05] <mru> he has to edit u-boot of course
  • [10:06:14] <AV500> dev001: I think you are not running the right uboot then
  • [10:07:30] <dev001> i have download u boot code from "http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/SourceCode"
  • [10:07:55] <dev001> version is u-boot-2009.06-rc2, doing extract and
  • [10:08:28] <dev001> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/7UU78m
  • [10:08:40] <dev001> above command is used to build
  • [10:10:20] <AV500> maybe
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  • [10:19:44] <dev001> AV500 , mru : if you don't have any problem? than can you send me your u-boot.bin with l1neon enable
  • [10:20:26] <AV500> dev001: I have no uboot
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  • [10:22:58] <hre> morning
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  • [10:24:41] <dev001> any buddy can send me u-boot.bin with l1neon enable
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  • [10:31:44] <janrinze> not to be meddling or something but shouldn't the kernel enable caches on its own?
  • [10:33:02] <mru> the kernel can and does enable the caches it's configured to enable
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  • [10:34:10] <niral> mru :does kernel 2.6.30 rc8 has Frame buffer and dss2 support?
  • [10:34:45] <niral> sory version 2.6.30 rc7
  • [10:35:00] <AV500> dss2 is not in mainline yet
  • [10:36:13] <niral> ohh than on 2.6.30 rc7 i have to merge that?
  • [10:36:16] <janrinze> where to find the latest patches for 2.6.30 rc7 so it will have all features enabled?
  • [10:45:37] <niral> AV500:when i boot my BB with ramdisk it is printing so many thing on my LCD.but when I am booting BB using partition 2 it is not priniting ...any idea why?
  • [10:51:49] <AV500> niral: no
  • [10:51:51] <AV500> sorry
  • [10:54:34] <niral> k
  • [10:55:11] <niral> than from where i should fetch the dss2 code ?
  • [11:00:02] <AV500> OE has the DSS2 patches
  • [11:00:45] <shell> how do I patch something?
  • [11:00:48] <shell> patch -p0 < .patch something something
  • [11:00:58] <shell> I forgot ..
  • [11:01:24] <AV500> man patch
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  • [11:20:28] <hrw> or man quilt
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  • [11:35:55] <janrinze> anyone here who is busy with RiscOS?
  • [11:37:13] <ali_as> Just me I think.
  • [11:39:05] <janrinze> ali_as: more in pm
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  • [11:59:50] <mrlook> goodevening
  • [12:03:55] <mrlook> anyone alive out there?
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  • [12:07:56] <mrlook> hi
  • [12:08:02] <mrlook> so if anyone is awake
  • [12:08:16] <mrlook> i am wondering how one can access the different I/O on the beagle
  • [12:08:23] <mrlook> when using a linux os
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  • [12:12:57] <AV500> depends
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  • [12:41:49] <mrlook> av500, depends?
  • [12:41:51] <mrlook> on what
  • [12:42:19] <AV500> on what you want to use
  • [12:42:41] <AV500> your question is not very specific, so how do you expect people to answer it?
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  • [13:27:03] <JahJah> Hi, It seem my OMAP on my BB is dead..
  • [13:27:10] <JahJah> on a B5 revision
  • [13:27:18] <mru> are you sure?
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  • [13:27:43] <AV500> just because it does not move, it must not be dead...
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  • [13:28:49] <JahJah> When I powered my BB .. I have just the power led light on and on my minicom i have nothing
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  • [13:28:59] <JahJah> and on another beagle it work fine
  • [13:29:15] <AV500> and what did you do?
  • [13:29:21] <JahJah> (And sorry for my english... i'm french ;) )
  • [13:29:36] <AV500> pas de probleme
  • [13:29:46] <JahJah> Nothing....
  • [13:30:01] <JahJah> Can i reload an OMAP?
  • [13:30:03] <JahJah> or something?
  • [13:30:10] <mru> I did nothing, and nothing happened, can someone help me?
  • [13:30:19] <AV500> you cannot put magic smoke back inside
  • [13:30:41] <Beagle8> hello :) any idea what to do agains an EGL_BAD_ALLOC when trying to start the gles demos?
  • [13:30:44] <AV500> when you boot and hold the button, do you get something on the serial?
  • [13:30:54] <JahJah> wich one button?
  • [13:31:02] <Beagle8> the user button
  • [13:31:07] <AV500> the user button
  • [13:31:10] <Beagle8> the one nearer to the edge of the board
  • [13:31:21] <JahJah> I'll try
  • [13:31:23] <AV500> there is only 2, easy to try both
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  • [13:33:22] <JahJah> I have nothing with both button
  • [13:33:29] <JahJah> :(
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  • [13:33:44] <ali_as> Nothing on the serial port?
  • [13:33:49] <JahJah> yes...
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  • [13:34:03] <JahJah> and on another BB, it work ! :(
  • [13:34:14] <mib_mmqr5o> where are production codecs avaiable for omap3?
  • [13:34:19] <jkridner|work> good morning all.
  • [13:34:25] <JahJah> morning
  • [13:34:26] <AV500> mib_mmqr5o: production?
  • [13:34:36] <mib_mmqr5o> production codecs
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  • [13:34:41] <JahJah> (3pm here ;) =
  • [13:34:47] <mib_mmqr5o> dsp decoders and encoders
  • [13:34:53] * jkridner|work looks at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/contest to see where to send boards today.
  • [13:34:57] <JahJah> So it's possible to reload an OMPA?
  • [13:35:03] <JahJah> or reset
  • [13:35:15] <AV500> reset: power cycle
  • [13:35:27] <AV500> reload: nothing to reload inside
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  • [13:35:38] <AV500> mib_mmqr5o: no idea, I bought miny
  • [13:35:39] <AV500> mib_mmqr5o: no idea, I bought mine
  • [13:35:56] <ali_as> JahJah, what did you do to it that made it break?
  • [13:36:02] <AV500> nothing
  • [13:36:03] <JahJah> How can I solve that **** OMAP...
  • [13:36:05] <mib_mmqr5o> AV500: how much do they cost
  • [13:36:18] <mib_mmqr5o> AV500: when did you buy it?
  • [13:36:21] <AV500> depends
  • [13:36:34] <mib_mmqr5o> depends on what?
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  • [13:36:51] <AV500> mib_mmqr5o: I have no idea what DSP codecs TI has promised to give for free for the BB
  • [13:36:56] <jkridner|work> JahJah: it is always morning when you first join and IRC channel, even if 3PM.
  • [13:37:04] <AV500> jkridner|work: you have an idea?
  • [13:37:14] <jkridner|work> I have some idea, but I'll just go read from the web page.
  • [13:37:17] <mib_mmqr5o> i mean where did you buy yours
  • [13:37:32] <jkridner|work> https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/dvsdk/oslinux_dvsdk/v3_00_3530/index.html
  • [13:37:36] <ali_as> jkridner, is #beagle going UGT?
  • [13:37:53] <Beagle7> are the gles demos working with a console image as well or only with X11?
  • [13:38:08] <jkridner|work> ali_as: I thought #beagle was always UGT
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  • [13:38:23] <jkridner|work> ali_as: perhaps I was gone too long and it changed. :)
  • [13:38:35] <AV500> mib_mmqr5o: "Production codec licenses are planned to be available via TI???s eStore in 4Q???08 "
  • [13:38:54] <mib_mmqr5o> arent they free?
  • [13:39:00] <jkridner|work> MPEG4 Simple Profile Encode/Decode, JPEG Encode/Decode, H.264 Base Profile Encode/Decode, MPEG2 Decode, MP3 Decode, AAC LC/HE Decode, WMA9 Decode
  • [13:39:19] <AV500> yes, but "Evaluation Codecs (XDM 1.0) running on the DSP and accelerators (as applicable)."
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  • [13:39:59] <mib_mmqr5o> what is this then http://www.go-dsp.com/forms/TIDigitalMediaSWCM/index.htm#PROD_CODECS ?
  • [13:40:19] <jkridner|work> mib_mmqr5o: http://www.ti.com/codecbundles "free with discount"
  • [13:40:46] <jkridner|work> you acquire the license through the eStore, even though they are free.
  • [13:41:08] <jkridner|work> mib_mmqr5o: thanks for finding the right link.
  • [13:41:42] <mib_mmqr5o> what is the lincense, they dont provide an option to download
  • [13:41:54] <mib_mmqr5o> they say lincense fee is waived off
  • [13:41:55] <jkridner|work> the download info is sent later.
  • [13:42:04] <jkridner|work> there is a link to the license.
  • [13:42:48] <Beagle7> another thing: is there any solution tho the angstrom login problem? i just get a black screen after login, then it returns to the login screen after a while...
  • [13:43:08] <Beagle7> this is, after doing an opkg upgrade
  • [13:43:39] <bobkatzz> is anyone been able to tell me why bitbake keeps giving this error "ERROR: '/home/bobkatzz/openembedded/recipes/gnu-config/gnu-config-native_20050701.bb' failed "
  • [13:44:18] <AV500> jkridner|work: what about the $4000 maintenance fee?
  • [13:44:19] <bobkatzz> I even re-installed the entire OE environment from /home/bobkatzz down
  • [13:44:49] <Beagle7> isnt bitbake stating some more info on the error?
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  • [13:45:10] <bobkatzz> oh yeah - I posted it in paste-bin last night
  • [13:45:31] <bobkatzz> I have the URL here - j sec
  • [13:45:38] <mib_mmqr5o> do i need to pay $4000?
  • [13:45:54] <AV500> I give you my account details :-)
  • [13:46:15] <mib_mmqr5o> AV500: does that give me access to the codecs?
  • [13:46:35] <khasim> AV500: I am looking for schematics that shows how to connect VPIF to THS8135 to VGA connector - do you know any davinci board that does this ?
  • [13:47:06] <AV500> khasim: no, we used dm6441 which has the dacs builtin
  • [13:47:34] <khasim> ok
  • [13:48:06] <AV500> khasim: but is it worth it? can the 138 do things with video that make sense?
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  • [13:48:30] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 - here we go - http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/aGzhiR
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  • [13:49:06] <khasim> AV500: not much, but I don't want to leave out a peripheral
  • [13:49:24] <AV500> khasim: :-)
  • [13:49:36] <bobkatzz> what I'm trying to do right now is just get one build to work properly so I know everything is set up right before I do a larger one with the stuff that I really want
  • [13:49:40] <AV500> I thought it was supposed to be cheap
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  • [13:50:22] <khasim> AV500: yeah, still working on the final pricings
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  • [13:51:21] * khasim going back to history trying out ARM 9 and LCDC 1.0 :)
  • [13:52:38] <khasim> AV500: what application can you think with Video In and Video out (V4L) with DSP floating point and ARM 9 300Mhz ?
  • [13:52:45] <Beagle7> @bobkatz: seems like the config_cvs.sv.gnu.org__20050701.tar.gz is unpacked to the wrong directory?
  • [13:52:47] <khasim> no overlay
  • [13:53:09] <Beagle7> its unpacked to : /home/bobkatzz/angstrom-dev/work/i686-linux/gnu-config-native-0.1+cvs20050701-r5/
  • [13:53:32] <Beagle7> and 2 lines below it states : /home/bobkatzz/downloads/config_cvs.sv.gnu.org__20050701.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
  • [13:54:34] <AV500> khasim: analog cable descrambler
  • [13:55:20] <Beagle7> e gets annoied by EGL_BAD_ALLOC
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  • [13:57:16] <bobkatzz> ok - but are those directories under my control? i.e. in a conf file somewhere? otherwise I don't have any way of knowing what goes where
  • [13:57:31] <khasim> :)
  • [13:58:11] <bobkatzz> according to the steps on Building Angstrom page the system is supposed to "take care of everything"
  • [13:58:31] <AV500> khasim: I have no idea how this DSP relates to C64x on DV/OMAP
  • [13:59:04] <AV500> but them I guess for basic video encode/decode a DM35x is the better CPU anyway
  • [13:59:33] <bobkatzz> I will take a look at that though and see if that can be changed
  • [13:59:42] <bobkatzz> thanks Beagle7
  • [14:00:01] <khasim> Actually the VPIF is taken from DM, but overall the display doesnt look so promising
  • [14:00:33] <khasim> as you mentioned, there are so many other chipsets that can give better display support
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  • [14:01:00] <AV500> so, drop it
  • [14:01:53] <XorA> ahah, my dead cheap s-video capture has shipped, beagle goodness soon
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  • [14:03:18] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 - what is the ideal distro to do OE / bitbake/ Angstrom builds on? I'm running Ubuntu through VMWare on my PC but I could just as easily install any other distro
  • [14:03:32] <bobkatzz> or anyone?
  • [14:03:40] <XorA> bobkatzz: ubuntu,fedora,debian should all work
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  • [14:04:10] <bobkatzz> ok - I have fedora on my server - I was going to try that if all else fails
  • [14:05:24] <bobkatzz> also - I still don't have any idea what the output product from a bitbake is - or where it ends up (directory?)
  • [14:05:43] <bobkatzz> is it a tar.bz2?
  • [14:06:21] <bobkatzz> I'm assuming it's something like what you get from koen's narcissus site - yea?
  • [14:07:12] <bobkatzz> hasn't he stroked the toolchain to produce that with the selections you have made?
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  • [14:09:27] <Beagle7> bobkatz: i first used the ubuntu VMware image provided by jars
  • [14:09:56] <Beagle7> had some trouble getting it to work there... on my home desktop using kubuntu 8.1 i think it worked out of the box
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  • [14:11:24] <Beagle7> bitbake will output an .ipk file if you build a single program (just like the .rpm's from debian)
  • [14:11:42] <shell> If only I had a clever idea for a project .. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
  • [14:11:45] <Beagle7> if you build an image like angstrom, the output is a rooFS and a uImage file
  • [14:13:00] <bobkatzz> ok - owo thanks - it's literally taken me a week to get an answer to that question
  • [14:13:37] <Beagle7> hehehe i just know it because i finished my bitbaking yesterday evening
  • [14:13:38] <Beagle7> ;)
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  • [14:14:30] <bobkatzz> also looking more closely at the dump file - it does seem that the gnu-config-native_xxxx file is being unpacked successfully earlier but does end up in the wrong place to be found later
  • [14:14:42] <bobkatzz> if that isn't too convoluted hehe
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  • [14:15:28] <bobkatzz> so could I just copy the file there (redundantly assuming that the version hasn't changed in the last 15 min) and then run again?
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  • [14:16:26] <bobkatzz> well I'm threatening to write a wiki - "OE for dummies" written by one hehe
  • [14:16:30] <rob_k> IHi, since several days I've been struggling with USB OTG to make it work as host. Problem appeared with new u-boot. I need SPI ports so I have to use pin mux on u-boot level because of known problem with SPIx_SOMI configuration from kernel.
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  • [14:17:08] <bobkatzz> is that Armenian? I didn't understand a thing hehe
  • [14:17:47] <bobkatzz> (only because my Armenian sucks B^)
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  • [14:18:59] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 - I'm just wondering if one of my conf (or profile) files is messed up and giving bitbake the wrong unpack directory -
  • [14:19:02] <rob_k> With u-boot built from u-boot_git.bb pin mux works fine, but USB OTH in host mode stopped working at all. If I use u-boot-omap3_git.bb USB works fine but pin mux not.
  • [14:19:48] <rob_k> Any ideas how to solve it or where might be a problem?
  • [14:19:52] <bobkatzz> although - i686 is not something that I would think would show up on my i386 distro
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  • [14:20:21] <Beagle7> bob: i'd try to copy the file to the right directory...
  • [14:20:24] <Beagle7> ;)
  • [14:20:40] <bobkatzz> it seems too simple hehe
  • [14:20:51] <Beagle7> here the trouble with bitbake was getting it to start to compile, afterwards all went like a charm...
  • [14:20:53] <bobkatzz> but I will do just that
  • [14:21:04] <Beagle7> i just tested it with a 'bitbake nano'
  • [14:21:19] <Beagle7> and afterwards build the sgx drivers... which won't work up to now :(
  • [14:22:00] <bobkatzz> ok thanks - and . . . while I have your font of wisdom in a generous mood - one more elusive question -
  • [14:22:21] <Beagle7> hehehe i'm quite a beagle noob as well ;)
  • [14:22:46] <bobkatzz> am I assuming right that th whole point of this is that I can cross compile various programs to run on Angstrom or whatever distro I want on the Beagleboard?
  • [14:23:14] <bobkatzz> Beaglenoob is one thing OE, bitbake, etc.noob is another :)
  • [14:23:59] <Beagle7> think of OE like a compiler for the beagle distro... alternative would be to compile everithing native on the beagleboard...
  • [14:24:03] <bobkatzz> I'm trying to get two programs - flDigi and it's dependancy - hamlib running on the BB
  • [14:24:11] <bobkatzz> Beagleboard
  • [14:24:13] <Beagle7> using OE you can compile stuff for another distro or cpu on your normal PC
  • [14:24:33] <Beagle7> so you can either do an "opkg install xyz" to install a package from the internet
  • [14:24:41] <Beagle7> build the source native on the beagle
  • [14:24:54] <bobkatzz> ok - how would I compile native on the BB? that looks more sane!!
  • [14:25:00] <Beagle7> or build an .ipk from the source using OE and install that .ipk from the sd card ;)
  • [14:25:29] <Beagle7> never tried it... but there should be a ppackage called task-native or something like that
  • [14:25:29] <bobkatzz> yeah now wer're getting somewhere
  • [14:25:38] <Beagle7> i contains gcc and everithing you need...
  • [14:25:49] <bobkatzz> a ppackage?
  • [14:25:59] <bobkatzz> sorry - i'm really limited here
  • [14:26:37] <Beagle7> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/51c69e1c55948336
  • [14:26:41] <bobkatzz> yeah I was gonna install gcc "native" and it took up about 75% of my SD card so I thought I'd look at the OE route on the PC
  • [14:26:58] <Beagle7> a package is the same as typing in ubuntu "apt-get xyz"
  • [14:27:04] <bobkatzz> because gcc is yet the dependancy if hamlib
  • [14:27:11] <Beagle7> but on angstrom ist "opkg install xyz"
  • [14:27:21] <bobkatzz> I getchya!
  • [14:27:23] <Beagle7> from the link: Anyway: 'opkg update ; opkg install task-native-sdk' in angstrom will
  • [14:27:39] <Beagle7> opkg update will fetch a list of actual packages from the internet
  • [14:27:48] <bobkatzz> ok weel my BB finally found its ethernet adapter so I could try that
  • [14:28:05] <bobkatzz> you have to know the addr(URL) though right?
  • [14:28:23] <Beagle7> ok... i'll try to get around that dam EGL_BAD_ALLOC problem i'm encountering with the sgx drivers :-p
  • [14:28:27] <Beagle7> nope
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  • [14:28:45] <Beagle7> opkg update - fetches a list of available packages...
  • [14:29:03] <Beagle7> and if the requested pacjkage is on that list it knows the url by itself
  • [14:29:06] <bobkatzz> kewl - I'm gonna give that a try - and I owe you a (virtual) beer! or 3
  • [14:29:16] <davidcb> Beagle7: did you solve your problem yet?
  • [14:29:22] <Beagle7> you can also try if there is already a pre build package
  • [14:29:24] <bobkatzz> ok what if the package is NOT on the list?
  • [14:29:27] <Beagle7> what do you want to install?
  • [14:29:54] <Beagle7> for example "opkg install nano" would fetch and install nano without the need to use gcc or something
  • [14:30:04] <bobkatzz> FLDigi and Hamlib (SDR ham radio software)
  • [14:30:21] <Crofton> anyone know of a guide to using NEON
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  • [14:30:37] <Beagle7> you can also have a look in the menu -> admin->package manager" or something
  • [14:30:40] <Crofton> like, is there a clever way to multiply two complex numbers?
  • [14:30:41] <mru> Crofton: yes
  • [14:30:49] <Beagle7> there you'll see a list of all available packages
  • [14:30:49] <mru> Crofton: the ARM ARM
  • [14:30:52] <bobkatzz> or one of several others -
  • [14:31:09] <bobkatzz> ok thanks Beagle7 - (beers)
  • [14:31:50] <mru> Crofton: complex floats?
  • [14:31:58] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:32:00] <hrw|gone> Crofton: complex as "2+3i"?
  • [14:32:07] <Crofton> yes
  • [14:32:11] <Crofton> 2+j3
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  • [14:32:17] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 ---- menu -> admin->package manager is that on a site?
  • [14:32:19] <Crofton> I am an electrical engineer
  • [14:32:21] <Crofton> we use j
  • [14:32:22] <hrw> Crofton: ah yes.. electric way
  • [14:32:32] <hrw> Crofton: I know - I am electronic technical
  • [14:33:46] <Beagle7> bOb: on a site?
  • [14:34:20] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 - good luck on your sgX drivers - whatever those are :)
  • [14:34:27] <mru> Crofton: are there many of thse numbers to multiply?
  • [14:34:35] <mru> and how are they stored?
  • [14:34:36] <Crofton> not in this case
  • [14:34:55] <bobkatzz> how do you access menu->admin->pkg mgr?
  • [14:34:55] <Crofton> I am looking at something that does a rotation
  • [14:35:06] <Crofton> hmmm, it should be vectorized ....
  • [14:35:38] <Crofton> I am kind of guessing those clever guys at arm would make complex math easy ...
  • [14:36:12] <AV500> they sure do make easy math complex, dunno about the other way round :-)
  • [14:36:23] <Beagle7> bob: in angstrom on the desktop l just use a mosueclick to open the menu... if angstrom is already running
  • [14:36:53] <bobkatzz> ah ok - I'm on the Beagleboard doing this - forgot - duh
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  • [14:37:14] <bobkatzz> I better fire that puppy up - not to coin a phrase hehe
  • [14:37:45] <bobkatzz> gotta go steal my wifes monitor hehe - that always pisses her off :D
  • [14:38:18] <bobkatzz> I took copious notes and thanks again
  • [14:39:19] <bobkatzz> someday I will return to bitbaking and see if I can get it to work - but not right now - I got a deadline !
  • [14:40:49] <davidcb> Beagle7: I had EGL_BAD_ALLOC problem. I had to switch SGX drivers.
  • [14:41:52] <bobkatzz> Beagle7 - just for FYI - I'm working on a project to connect the SoftRock v6.3 transceiver + beagleboard + (eventually) a touchscreen for a standalone SDR ham station in a 2"x3"x6" footprint - that's the goal anyway ;)
  • [14:43:12] <bobkatzz> radio <done>, Beagleboard <done>, software <<<jdf;jasldjsfjs;ljasfjsj>>> heh
  • [14:43:18] <Crofton> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7392368.html
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  • [14:44:34] <bobkatzz> anyway have a great day Beagle7
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  • [14:47:21] <Beagle7> davidcb: what do you mean by switch sgx drivers?
  • [14:47:29] <Beagle7> you too bob ;)
  • [14:48:09] <Beagle7> davidcb: i just compiled them from the .0.0.6.bin yesterday evening with a fresh git pulled OE tree
  • [14:48:19] <davidcb> Beagle7: On your Beagle do opkg list_installed |grep sgx and tell me the output.
  • [14:48:25] <Beagle7> i'm using kernel.29
  • [14:48:54] <Beagle7> ok- you have to wait a moment, i did a opkg upgrade and can't log in anymore ;)
  • [14:49:03] <Beagle7> i'm just reinstalling the working rootfs
  • [14:50:37] <davidcb> Beagle7: Ok. I am waiting for a page to load so I can give you more details.
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  • [14:51:25] <davidcb> Beagle7: But I had the same problem. It seems that the 0.0.6.bin wants one version of the drivers but Angstrom loads a newer version from the feed.
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  • [14:55:03] <mib_7wl40r> Anyone know where someone might get a USB miniA cable in Bangalore?
  • [14:57:28] <mib_mmqr5o> sp road?
  • [14:57:42] <mib_mmqr5o> computer ware house?
  • [15:01:14] <mib_7wl40r> ok thanks...will try that
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  • [15:21:58] <mru> Crofton: I can multiply two complex floats in 14 cycles, what do you manage?
  • [15:22:06] <mru> 10 cycles per pair if there's two of them
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  • [15:22:41] <Crofton> I'm still trying to figure out how to do it :)
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  • [15:23:49] <shell> mru: how do you count cycles?
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  • [15:27:15] <ds2> mru: is a cycle same as a clock tick i.e. a 600MHz beagle would have 600e6 cycles per second?
  • [15:28:54] <mru> Crofton: http://pastebin.ca/1439672
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  • [15:29:15] <mru> this assumes d0=ar,ai d1=br,bi
  • [15:29:19] <Crofton> how are you doing cycle measurements?
  • [15:29:32] <mru> using the cycle counter
  • [15:29:50] <Crofton> and reading from user space?
  • [15:29:54] <mru> yes
  • [15:30:44] <Crofton> I need to make some slides this afternoon
  • [15:31:01] <Crofton> but over the weekend I want to see if I can do the cycle count thing
  • [15:31:04] <mru> I'm looping a million times so any overhead from reading the counter should be negligible
  • [15:31:11] <Crofton> there has been info on the list
  • [15:31:16] <Crofton> heh
  • [15:31:42] <mru> you might want to double-check that my code does what I think it does
  • [15:31:49] <Crofton> of course :)
  • [15:32:10] <mru> it looks like it should work
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  • [16:18:34] <Beagle7> yippieee - the EGL_BAD_ALLOC is gone! :)
  • [16:18:47] <Beagle7> seems the newest sgx-kernel-modules are buggy
  • [16:19:32] <Beagle7> omap3-sgx-modules-1.3.1607-r31.1 brought up EG_BAD_ALLOC
  • [16:19:48] <Beagle7> omap3-sgx-modules-1.3.1397-r31.1 is working
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  • [16:25:22] <Yarrick> i have messed up my angstrom distro on flash. is it possible to boot entirely from sd card wihtout using serial console first?
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  • [16:30:14] <ali_as> Holding the user button down might force a boot from sd.
  • [16:30:27] <ali_as> (during power up).
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  • [16:35:13] <Yarrick> i think it starts the uboot from sd then, but that still boots the kernel on flash
  • [16:35:30] <Yarrick> i think i need to change the bootargs
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  • [16:41:29] <hrw> have a nice weekend
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  • [17:03:27] <DJWillis> Quick request, can anyone with a working Beagle using DSS2 pop a copy of there "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" up at rafb.net - Thanks.
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  • [17:17:17] <koen> DJWillis: sure, hold on a second
  • [17:18:16] <DJWillis> koen: thanks, trying to debug the lack of a working X server on an OE images I build from oe.dev on the Pandora (and our overlay).
  • [17:18:42] <koen> DJWillis: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/Xorg.0.log
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  • [17:20:47] <DJWillis> koen: ta, that just confirms something is nice and borked at my end :(
  • [17:21:03] <koen> DJWillis: that's with 1.5.3
  • [17:21:09] <koen> DJWillis: I suspect you might have 1.6.1
  • [17:21:18] * koen will upgrade later today to check
  • [17:21:37] <koen> DJWillis: note that the stable/2009 doesn't have such breakage :)
  • [17:21:50] <DJWillis> koen: yep, totally borked on the Pandora at the moment.
  • [17:22:17] <DJWillis> koen: well aware but I need a few things like UDEV 141 for now to try and sort remaining issues ;-)
  • [17:23:08] <koen> DJWillis: udev 141 + linux.inc tweaks give you proper icons: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/19b869e3210f2a9966ff4105cb49902f.png
  • [17:23:42] <DJWillis> koen: is that the tweaks that turn off legecy SYSFS etc.?
  • [17:24:27] <DJWillis> koen: that is also very nice, now I just need to get X and E17 to start and all is good ;-)
  • [17:26:03] <DJWillis> koen: as soon as I get enough time to push up more Pandora patches and backport I would like to move to stable. Few things I need in stable 1st however.
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  • [17:42:46] <koen> DJWillis: indeed, the SYSFS stuff
  • [17:43:45] <DJWillis> koen: seems sensible to drop the legacy sysfs stuff to be honest, you can only carry cruft for so long.
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  • [17:52:53] <koen> DJWillis: I know, except that lots of userspace seems to love cruft
  • [17:53:37] * koen wishes people would stop smoking crack and waste my time
  • [17:54:58] <DJWillis> koen: that is what .dev is for ;-), why should the next gen of devices have to carry cruft. Harsh but looking at the fixes I am not sure it will take long for the active older devices to get fixed up.
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  • [18:15:39] <koen> DJWillis: I just opkg upgraded to Xorg xserver 1.6.1 and it's still working
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  • [18:20:38] <janrinze> i have been comparing Angstrom and Debian on the beagleboard but it seems that Debian has a faster Xserver than Angstom.
  • [18:20:51] <janrinze> particulary when dragging windows.
  • [18:21:30] <janrinze> could it be that i have the wrong xserver with angstrom?
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  • [18:23:45] <janrinze> it has the omapfb xserver
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  • [18:25:26] <koen> janrinze: is that just the xserver you are testing, or are there lots of apps running in the background as well?
  • [18:25:49] <muriani> also, what wm?
  • [18:25:54] <janrinze> just 2 xterms
  • [18:26:16] <janrinze> it is the angstrom demo image i am testing.
  • [18:26:59] <koen> when window moves get slow something else is hogging the cpu
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  • [18:29:16] <janrinze> i got a lot of response here that angstrom should be faster. the cpu is 96% idle.
  • [18:29:32] <janrinze> killing x11vnc make things a bit smoother.
  • [18:30:54] <janrinze> i heard about an accelerated xserver , somthing like xsg?
  • [18:31:56] <koen> xsgx is a farce
  • [18:32:19] <koen> even when it can do accel on the sgx core NEON is approx. 4 times faster
  • [18:32:34] <koen> I wish I could share the benchmark report TI did...
  • [18:33:22] <janrinze> ok. so the current omapfb is not accelerated.
  • [18:34:38] <koen> it has accel for XV, but that's about it
  • [18:34:51] <koen> and angstrom has a libpixman that is using NEON
  • [18:34:52] <janrinze> hmm.. just an overlay right?
  • [18:38:06] <janrinze> how can i install extra software on the angstrom demo? I am used to Debian..
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  • [18:41:57] <janrinze> koen: where do i get packages like gcc and libraries for Angstrom?
  • [18:42:41] <janrinze> www.angstrom-distribution.org is not very helpful
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  • [18:43:07] <Crofton> install task-native-sdk
  • [18:43:14] <Crofton> for building c/c++ on the beagle
  • [18:43:30] <janrinze> how? just with 'install task-native-sdk' ?
  • [18:43:56] <adj> opkg install task-native-sdk
  • [18:44:14] <janrinze> ok.. opkg is similar to apt-get.
  • [18:45:25] <janrinze> i get 'Cannot find package task-native-sdk'
  • [18:46:17] <adj> do 'opkg update' first
  • [18:46:54] <janrinze> right.. that seems to be busy for now :-)
  • [18:47:05] <Crofton|work> mru, ping
  • [18:48:27] <janrinze> hmm.. looks like www.angstrom-distribution.org is really slow..
  • [18:49:13] <adj> yeah, it very often is
  • [18:50:30] <janrinze> are there faster mirrors?
  • [18:53:56] <janrinze> hmm.. seems to be 90% perl packages..
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  • [18:59:48] <Crofton|work> what does the cycle counter count?
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  • [19:01:47] <janrinze> opkg: (null): Bad address
  • [19:01:54] <janrinze> that does not sound too good..
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  • [19:07:09] <booxter> koen: nice email answer for the next 'how can I reproduce by myself what oe already does' thing ;) Added it to my bookmarks :D
  • [19:07:57] <janrinze> great.. gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
  • [19:08:44] <koen> booxter: I don't mind people doing their own stuff, but I do mind that they want to their hand being held along the way
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  • [19:17:30] <janrinze> seems to me the packages from Angstrom are not yet ready for the mainstream.. see: /usr/include/libio.h:53:21: error: stdarg.h: No such file or directory
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  • [19:21:01] <koen> janrinze: did you install the needed -dev packages?
  • [19:21:03] <janrinze> just out of curiosity, the Angstrom distrib , is that a stable release?
  • [19:21:30] <janrinze> i did opkg install task-native-sdk
  • [19:21:57] <janrinze> what else does it need? also where can i find info about the packages?
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  • [19:23:11] <janrinze> Debian has a website that allows you to search for packages and even their content. So if a file seems missing i know which package to install.
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  • [19:26:36] <janrinze> $ find /usr/ -name stdarg.h /usr/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1/stdarg.h /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/include/stdarg.h
  • [19:27:30] <janrinze> so there must be something wrong with the package installer. somehow this should be in a include path I guess.
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  • [19:46:33] <geckosenator> does the longer lead on the backup battery for the rtc clock go in the hole with the dot next to it?
  • [19:46:38] <geckosenator> I don't want to put it in backwards
  • [19:47:58] <DJWillis> koen: any chance you can pop up the xorg log from 1.6.1, just want to see what modules are loaded (I have some oddess with stuff like freetype). Cheers.
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  • [20:20:23] <Crofton|work> anyone here care to look at my attempts at NEON?
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  • [20:27:54] <Crofton|work> mru, http://pastebin.ca/1440079
  • [20:28:00] <Crofton|work> I am likely an idiot
  • [20:28:10] <bobkatzz> any idea if (how) to install a src rpm on Angstrom?
  • [20:28:20] <Crofton|work> how to store the result
  • [20:28:33] <Crofton|work> bobkatzz, I do not think that concept exists
  • [20:28:45] <bobkatzz> ok - was not sure
  • [20:29:50] <bobkatzz> funny its a standard python util <wxPython> but not available through opkg
  • [20:30:11] <bobkatzz> its a python xwindows util pkg
  • [20:30:23] <Crofton|work> wxpython is likely tricky to cross build
  • [20:31:00] <bobkatzz> ah ok - i'm sifting through linux SDR software that will install directly on the BB
  • [20:31:24] <bobkatzz> so this one is really light but depends on wxpython for the GUI
  • [20:31:35] <bobkatzz> back to the drawing board heh
  • [20:31:38] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:31:48] <Crofton|work> when I get some time, I want wxpython
  • [20:31:52] <Crofton|work> but there are some issues
  • [20:32:02] <Crofton|work> wxwidgets is acting funky with later gcc's
  • [20:37:51] <bobkatzz> well here's something from another package (linpsk) "C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
  • [20:38:20] <bobkatzz> that may not be enough for you to grok - its from the ./configure
  • [20:38:36] <bobkatzz> everything else seems to be ok
  • [20:38:53] <bobkatzz> like it "almost" worked hehe
  • [20:39:47] <bobkatzz> wxPython sounds like a good development env for BB (Angstrom)
  • [20:40:05] <bobkatzz> maybe koen can make some voodoo on it hehe
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  • [20:45:14] <bobkatzz> configure:2589: g++ -V >&5 g++: '-V' option must have argument < -- from the config.log - I saw this on a previous attempt with another program
  • [20:45:22] <lweight> hello
  • [20:45:34] <bobkatzz> hey
  • [20:45:56] <lweight> I'm looking for some basic advice...
  • [20:46:10] <lweight> I got a new Beagleboard, cabled up serial, but see no output
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  • [20:46:18] <bobkatzz> how basic? your timing mey be great :)
  • [20:46:18] <lweight> pretty sure all the cabling is correct
  • [20:46:37] <bobkatzz> is you CABLE correct? first of all
  • [20:46:53] <bobkatzz> and - see no output where?
  • [20:46:56] <lweight> checked out OK
  • [20:47:00] <lweight> in the terminal
  • [20:47:03] <bobkatzz> you running minicom
  • [20:47:06] <bobkatzz> ?
  • [20:47:10] <lweight> yup
  • [20:47:16] <lweight> 9600,n,8,1
  • [20:47:25] <bobkatzz> ok - what kind of cable?
  • [20:47:31] <lweight> 10w IDC to 9pin D -- from a PC
  • [20:47:31] <adj> that should be 115200
  • [20:47:44] <lweight> then a null modem cable
  • [20:47:57] <bobkatzz> yeah hes right
  • [20:48:23] <adj> 115200, 8n1
  • [20:48:25] <bobkatzz> you only need 3 pins tx rx abs gnd
  • [20:48:35] <lweight> yup
  • [20:48:39] <lweight> ok
  • [20:48:44] <lweight> will try at 115200
  • [20:48:52] <bobkatzz> yeah
  • [20:49:23] <bobkatzz> adj - know anything about installing on Angstrom? (and in general)
  • [20:49:55] <bobkatzz> these are porgrams that are not available through opkg
  • [20:50:11] <lweight> yay!
  • [20:50:16] * lweight is stupid
  • [20:50:23] <bobkatzz> yeaY!!
  • [20:50:26] <lweight> 115200 did the trick
  • [20:50:53] <bobkatzz> great - you have a monitor hooked up to the HDV?
  • [20:51:00] <lweight> nope
  • [20:51:10] <lweight> no cable for that -- just plan to use serial
  • [20:51:27] <bobkatzz> oh - that's really kewl when you get Angstrom running
  • [20:51:31] <lweight> but, can't seem to be able to type
  • [20:51:35] <lweight> I just get to:
  • [20:51:36] <lweight> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
  • [20:51:36] <lweight> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
  • [20:51:36] <lweight> OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
  • [20:51:39] <bobkatzz> I have Firefox and everything
  • [20:51:45] <lweight> nice...
  • [20:52:23] <bobkatzz> sometimes you have to 'reboot" the lil sucker a few times to get it to "take" I find
  • [20:52:51] <bobkatzz> so try a coupl more times
  • [20:53:03] <bobkatzz> before you fall back and punt
  • [20:53:19] <bobkatzz> are you booting off an SD card?
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  • [20:53:44] <adj> bobkatzz: The Right Way to install programs? No. Learning bitbake and recipies are on my to-do list but until then I use method "just compile whatever I need and throw them into Beagle"
  • [20:53:59] <lweight> no SD card in
  • [20:54:07] <lweight> it's just stock - as received
  • [20:54:25] <bobkatzz> what distro on the Beagle adj?
  • [20:55:03] <adj> ?ngstr?m on SD and my own system on flash
  • [20:55:59] <bobkatzz> it would be interesting to have you try to compile one of these and see if it works - linpsk for starters
  • [20:57:00] <bobkatzz> lweight - gotta get an SD card and go for at least 4G (I have two 2's and that's not gonna be enough)
  • [20:58:37] <bobkatzz> adj - did you see the error that I'm getting from the ./configure attempt? _^ earlier?
  • [20:59:48] <bobkatzz> adj - when you say compile them and throw them into Beagle - what are you compiling on?
  • [21:01:02] <adj> normally cross compiling on some $random PC
  • [21:01:17] <lweight> bobkatzz: what do you use yours for though?
  • [21:02:36] <bobkatzz> heh - well that remains to be seen, but I'm trying to use the Beagleboard as the computer interface for a software-defined-radio ham station
  • [21:02:46] <lweight> ah, nice idea
  • [21:03:00] <lweight> so, it seems as though the serial access is intermittent
  • [21:03:11] <lweight> sometimes I get output, sometimes not
  • [21:03:15] <bobkatzz> but getting the various ham software to line up wiht Angstrom, Ubuntu or whatever - is a challenge
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  • [21:04:23] <lweight> which SDR s/w are you using?
  • [21:04:34] <bobkatzz> once mine boots the serial interface borks sometimes (that's usually when x11 takes over from what I can tell and you prolly don't have that since your "stock")
  • [21:05:22] <bobkatzz> SDR software - I'm trying everything - I've got like 5 that run on Ubuntu on my dev box - none running on Beagle yet
  • [21:05:41] <geckosenator> anywone know which way the battery for the rtc goes in?
  • [21:05:47] <geckosenator> the longer lead on the one with the dot right?
  • [21:06:00] <bobkatzz> thought I might do the bitbake thing but I'm a bad baker hehe
  • [21:07:22] <geckosenator> me too
  • [21:07:26] <geckosenator> I tried to bake boards
  • [21:07:34] <geckosenator> like 80% of the solder connections worked
  • [21:07:40] <adj> bobkatzz: i'm currently missing qt4 libraries so i'm not able to test if configure goes beyond qt check
  • [21:07:47] <bobkatzz> now thats a different story
  • [21:07:49] <geckosenator> but considering that 1 connection wrong and the board doesnt' work, it sucks
  • [21:08:00] <geckosenator> I didn't have temp feedback
  • [21:08:15] <geckosenator> I just had a toaster oven that I shorted out the thermal cutoff so it could get above 425F
  • [21:08:31] <lweight> brb
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  • [21:08:38] <bobkatzz> hehe
  • [21:08:40] <geckosenator> next time I will have a real thermocoupler and run profiles, it's the only way to go
  • [21:08:45] <geckosenator> I didn't think I had to.. I do
  • [21:09:21] <bobkatzz> I still do my SMT's by hand
  • [21:10:05] <bobkatzz> but I am so near-sighted I have "micro-vision", hehe so I can get like 3" away and see amazing details
  • [21:10:07] <Crofton|work> the palm pre is omap3 based
  • [21:10:21] <bobkatzz> and singe my eyelids now and then
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  • [21:10:56] <bobkatzz> yeah I saw that somewhere - awfully slow though aren't they?
  • [21:10:59] <geckosenator> bobkatzz: I hvae that in dreams
  • [21:11:20] <bobkatzz> hehe - we won't ask what kind
  • [21:11:23] <geckosenator> bobkatzz: I had to do them by hand after the reflow mostly failed
  • [21:11:31] <geckosenator> well had to fix what the reflow missed
  • [21:11:51] <geckosenator> really I can see amazing details in dreams
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  • [21:11:59] <bobkatzz> a guy in our club gave me some low melt solder
  • [21:12:10] <bobkatzz> and just a touch of that is like superflux
  • [21:12:14] <geckosenator> I have heard of that
  • [21:12:18] <geckosenator> you have to be careful
  • [21:12:21] <geckosenator> it melts at like 200F
  • [21:12:27] <geckosenator> but you can use it for chip removal
  • [21:12:30] <bobkatzz> so you kind of use it to get everything stuck down
  • [21:12:35] <bobkatzz> yeah that too
  • [21:12:51] <geckosenator> I would try it
  • [21:12:58] <geckosenator> but how to you replace it with normal solder?
  • [21:13:08] <geckosenator> since at 200F my xchips might actually fall off the board later on
  • [21:13:16] <bobkatzz> you don't want to have too much in the mix though or all your parts will "depart" when you leave your rig in the car at noon
  • [21:13:21] <bobkatzz> yea
  • [21:13:40] <geckosenator> or just running
  • [21:13:46] <geckosenator> if you micro is working really hard
  • [21:13:56] <geckosenator> I guess mine has a builtin temp sensor
  • [21:14:01] <geckosenator> so I could just sleep when it gets too hot
  • [21:14:08] <bobkatzz> like one touch of that stuff and then switch to regular - flow all the p0ins together (ala youTube demo) and then solderwick them
  • [21:14:26] <geckosenator> oh
  • [21:14:34] <geckosenator> I have gotten to where I can solder tqfp
  • [21:14:39] <geckosenator> by going right across
  • [21:14:40] <bobkatzz> look at the youTube demo - it rocks
  • [21:14:45] <bobkatzz> yeah
  • [21:14:45] <geckosenator> and applying just the right amount of solder
  • [21:14:49] <geckosenator> so I don't need to wick
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  • [21:14:53] <bobkatzz> that's the way the pros do it
  • [21:15:00] <bobkatzz> well I still do
  • [21:15:01] <geckosenator> ooh, I'm a pro
  • [21:15:05] <bobkatzz> hehe
  • [21:15:08] <geckosenator> well
  • [21:15:12] <geckosenator> when I"m done it doesn't look pro
  • [21:15:18] <geckosenator> I can tell you that
  • [21:15:36] <bobkatzz> i did the SoftRock v6.3 and it's a challenge
  • [21:15:43] <geckosenator> what si that?
  • [21:16:08] <geckosenator> do you solder qfn parts?
  • [21:16:14] <geckosenator> I have a new technique for those
  • [21:16:46] <geckosenator> glob lots of solder on your iron then put that in contact with the plastic on the part
  • [21:16:59] <geckosenator> and heat the entire part up until the pads on the board flow
  • [21:17:21] <geckosenator> it seems to work well, only destroyed 1 part out of like 50
  • [21:17:32] <mib_8njgbf> hi
  • [21:17:39] <adj> bobkatzz: you are a ham?
  • [21:17:57] <bobkatzz> yeah - I'm trying to find you a pic
  • [21:18:14] <bobkatzz> KC4NYK
  • [21:18:34] <bobkatzz> I teach the Tech license class just for fun
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  • [21:18:52] <bobkatzz> which, if you can get your DMV you can pass that hehe
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  • [21:19:08] <geckosenator> there are multiple levels
  • [21:19:10] <bobkatzz> now that they took the code requirement out
  • [21:19:13] <geckosenator> but I think even the highest level isn't hard
  • [21:19:22] <bobkatzz> yeah I'm a General
  • [21:19:22] <geckosenator> I haven't done it
  • [21:19:22] <adj> bobkatzz: then our 70cm digital beagle based radio might interest you: http://www.hervanta.com/stuff/Digiradio (only in finnish, sorry, but the slightly outdated block diagram might tell something)
  • [21:19:33] <geckosenator> but I heard some people hav eto learn morse code?
  • [21:19:34] <geckosenator> or maybe not
  • [21:19:38] <bobkatzz> next is Extra (when I can do 20wpm code)
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  • [21:19:47] <bobkatzz> nope nobody does
  • [21:19:52] <bobkatzz> not even Extra
  • [21:19:53] <mib_8njgbf> im a ham too. N8YY
  • [21:19:58] <bobkatzz> but I want to
  • [21:20:04] <geckosenator> well it's pointelss to do it
  • [21:20:08] <bobkatzz> kewl - 73
  • [21:20:10] <geckosenator> since a computer can do it for you
  • [21:20:28] <geckosenator> like, I hope they stopped teaching long division in school
  • [21:20:45] <bobkatzz> no actually its like the difference between flyfishing and "slinging hardware"
  • [21:21:01] <bobkatzz> it's an art form
  • [21:21:20] <bobkatzz> and really - once you can hear it - its really a blast
  • [21:21:37] <geckosenator> well
  • [21:21:43] <geckosenator> when I go fishing, it's to catch dinner
  • [21:21:55] <bobkatzz> one of the old guys in our club can do 40+ and several at a time!
  • [21:22:00] <mib_8njgbf> has anyone used SPI on the beagle board to interface to ADCs and DACs?
  • [21:22:09] <geckosenator> 40+?
  • [21:22:15] <mib_8njgbf> I'm interested in some real-time control applications
  • [21:22:24] <geckosenator> what kind of adcs?
  • [21:22:41] <geckosenator> I have a bunch of ad7799's
  • [21:22:55] <bobkatzz> yeah - a lot of that stuff is done though the sound card now mib - hence SDR!!
  • [21:23:05] <geckosenator> heh
  • [21:23:13] <geckosenator> how about using the sound card for your adc and dac?
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  • [21:23:31] <bobkatzz> and the SDR software can control (potentially) a lot of hardware not just ham radios
  • [21:23:41] <bobkatzz> yep you got it geck
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  • [21:23:52] <mib_8njgbf> DACs: not sure. Just fast SPI DACs. I don't think I can use the sound card for ADC.
  • [21:24:04] <mib_8njgbf> I need DC outputs.
  • [21:24:06] <geckosenator> how fast?
  • [21:24:19] <bobkatzz> um think of 440mHz - that fast enough for ya?
  • [21:24:21] <mib_8njgbf> 100kSamples/sec. Multiple channels
  • [21:24:28] <bobkatzz> 2.3 gHz?
  • [21:24:29] <geckosenator> aww
  • [21:24:35] <geckosenator> I was going to suggest using the pwm output
  • [21:24:37] <geckosenator> on the beagle
  • [21:24:41] <geckosenator> and lowpass
  • [21:24:45] <bobkatzz> that's all on SDR
  • [21:24:46] <mib_8njgbf> PWM is no good for my application
  • [21:24:52] <geckosenator> why?
  • [21:25:15] <bobkatzz> ok guys - gotta give my wife back her monitor now :D
  • [21:25:18] <geckosenator> you can get higher bandwidth if you use multiple io pins each with powers of two difference in time constant for the filter
  • [21:25:19] <mib_8njgbf> i don't think it'll go fast enough and the output impeadance may not be right
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  • [21:25:28] <geckosenator> oh, then you would need a buffer
  • [21:25:29] <geckosenator> but ok
  • [21:25:53] <bobkatzz> i'll hook up my other one and see you all later - 73 N8YY
  • [21:26:26] <geckosenator> ok
  • [21:27:36] <mib_8njgbf> SPI just seems cleanest. Any experience with the userspace drivers?
  • [21:27:46] <mib_8njgbf> se ya bob
  • [21:28:32] <geckosenator> no sry
  • [21:29:20] <mib_8njgbf> ok. not much information in one spot on the web. It's all over the place.
  • [21:31:51] <adj> mib_8njgbf: have you checked the kernel documentation on spidev?
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  • [21:33:30] <mib_8njgbf> looking now. Thanks. I've got a gumstix, maybe I should try this out on that first....
  • [21:33:44] <mib_8njgbf> i think the math is faster on the beagleboard
  • [21:35:22] <adj> once we finish our next expansion board i'll have to dig into spi also as several devices depend on it. Documentation/spi/spidev seems the right place to start for userspace
  • [21:36:03] <mib_8njgbf> thanks. i'm just looking for a cheap, fast board that I can use to do some real time kalman filtering and control.
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  • [22:30:38] <jotroick> hi
  • [22:30:42] <jotroick> I NEED SOME HELP
  • [22:30:59] <bobkatzz> hey join the crowd hehe
  • [22:31:10] <bobkatzz> state your case
  • [22:32:11] <RadicalAn> is there a version of montavista for beagle?
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  • [22:32:54] <RadicalAn> we're going to be using it at work and it would be near to play with it on beagle
  • [22:33:19] <RadicalAn> neat too
  • [22:35:37] <bobkatzz> so jotriock - what happened?
  • [22:35:49] <bobkatzz> so jotroick - what happened?
  • [22:36:12] <bobkatzz> help on what ?
  • [22:37:23] <bobkatzz> bobkatzz is still trying to figure out why gcc is not being found in configure file for linpsk - grrrrrr
  • [22:38:14] <bobkatzz> everything is there you f... so what's your dam-age?
  • [22:38:25] <bobkatzz> :)
  • [22:38:47] <bobkatzz> i even updated it
  • [22:39:05] <koen> DJWillis: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/Xorg.0.log.1.6.1
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  • [22:40:23] <bobkatzz> http://up.widget.mibbit.com/up/PWGWtLsM.log << - for any wizard that is interested
  • [22:41:21] <bobkatzz> that might be you koen - hey - you're on late for your time zone :)
  • [22:41:29] <jotroick> HI
  • [22:41:56] <jotroick> I NEED TO CONNECT usb-wifi netgear with chipset rtl8187
  • [22:42:15] <jotroick> I have lxde ubuntu on beagle board
  • [22:42:20] <bobkatzz> just spoke to our Dutch friends - they put their sailboat in the water -
  • [22:42:57] <jotroick> and the kernel 6.28
  • [22:44:25] <jotroick> ??
  • [22:45:02] <jotroick> 2.6.28
  • [22:45:12] <jotroick> may be
  • [22:45:26] <jotroick> can you help me
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  • [22:48:49] <jotroick> ???
  • [22:49:30] <koen> bobkatzz: yeah, went to see star trek, which started at 22:00
  • [22:49:34] * koen zzzz now
  • [22:49:40] <Crofton> gn
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  • [23:12:16] <djlewis> well, my Beage was up 5 days 3 hours before i lost comm with it.
  • [23:13:00] <djlewis> only two terms open and 3.5Meg left, wierd. A memory leak...?
  • [23:13:59] <djlewis> fresh boot of Angstrom with one term = 142,880M free
  • [23:14:16] <djlewis> 142.88
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  • [23:20:48] <djlewis> bobkatzz: Ping
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  • [23:32:09] <bobkatzz> pong
  • [23:33:07] <bobkatzz> trying to install various SDR proggys direct on BB Angstrom - proggies 5 / me 0
  • [23:33:35] <bobkatzz> got to swap monitors here brb
  • [23:36:56] <mrc3_> koen, ping
  • [23:37:06] <mrc3_> i just read something on the mailing list about dss2 and usb
  • [23:37:29] <mrc3_> what is that problem about_
  • [23:37:30] <mrc3_> ?
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  • [23:41:37] <djlewis> I'm back again. Sounds like some progress bobkatzz
  • [23:41:56] <djlewis> I think koen is off the air. I read sleep.
  • [23:42:56] <bobkatzz> well - not really - trying to get various SDR software to install native on BB Angstrom
  • [23:43:04] <bobkatzz> but no luck yet
  • [23:43:27] <bobkatzz> but after all I've only been at it for 6 hours hehe!
  • [23:43:39] <djlewis> I played with that some on 2.6.28 and am now setting up on 2.6.29
  • [23:43:52] <djlewis> The night is young dude.
  • [23:43:59] <bobkatzz> yep
  • [23:44:24] <djlewis> I would be out setting up for astronomy if not for a big ol moon.
  • [23:45:16] <bobkatzz> looks somewhat promising though - trying Linpsk, Quisk, linrad. fldigi etc
  • [23:45:35] <djlewis> I dunno what those are.
  • [23:45:57] <djlewis> psk32 prog
  • [23:46:02] <bobkatzz> Quisk looks good - runs in Python but need wxPython which Crofton says is fluky on Ang
  • [23:46:04] <djlewis> pks 31 i mean
  • [23:46:11] <bobkatzz> yeah
  • [23:46:13] <djlewis> you know... :(
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  • [23:46:35] <bobkatzz> but fldid is like almost every mode - even Hellschrieber - whoooooaa!
  • [23:46:45] <bobkatzz> fldigi that is
  • [23:47:13] <bobkatzz> hey - gotta run out for a min - bbl
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  • [23:58:49] <djlewis> time to feed the pups and me.