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[00:39:50] <Beagle_starter> help...please
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[00:40:21] <Beagle_starter> I've just finished setting up the sd card to make angstrom run in mt beagle board
[00:40:50] <Beagle_starter> however, when I turned (beagleboard with the card) on
[00:41:03] <Beagle_starter> I get stuck with the message uncompressing linux
[00:41:14] <Beagle_starter> it's been 40 minutes
[00:41:27] <Beagle_starter> i am using kernel 2.6.28
[00:41:52] <Beagle_starter> and I think it's my x-loader, version 1.41 that is causing the problem
[00:42:51] <Beagle_starter> hi...
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[00:44:32] <Animule> Anyone home?
[00:48:12] <ds2> NO
[00:48:15] <ds2> ;)
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[00:49:22] <Animule> heh
[00:49:39] <Animule> never is, is there
[00:50:09] <Beagle_starter> hi there
[00:50:29] <Beagle_starter> I am...but i'm afraid I can?t help a lot..
[00:51:04] <Animule> well... perhaps some insight as to whether or not my idea is totally outrageous or not could be helpful
[00:51:13] * djlewis is giving up on BB for a time and getting back to robot code. Gspca not up to date.
[00:51:22] <Animule> thinkin of putting a computer on a snowmobile
[00:51:32] <ds2> djlewis: get another camera. eventually one of them will work
[00:51:38] <Beagle_starter> to do what?
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[00:51:40] <Animule> integrate engine management, GPS, radio, google earth, etc into one piece of hardare
[00:51:44] <djlewis> I have three now ds3
[00:51:48] <djlewis> ds2
[00:52:13] <Beagle_starter> hmm, it's not impossible, but it's gonna take a considerable amount of work
[00:52:23] <Animule> doesn't every project :P
[00:52:27] <Beagle_starter> since u'll have to get everything to run under the arm
[00:52:34] <Animule> Most of it's data acquisition
[00:52:35] <Beagle_starter> sure they do...
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[00:53:01] <Animule> temp sensors, fuel injection, timing
[00:53:27] <Beagle_starter> It?s possible
[00:53:44] <Beagle_starter> I have installed a voip server in my beagleboard
[00:53:51] <Animule> because the thing is
[00:53:59] <Animule> when you put a turbo kit on
[00:54:02] <Beagle_starter> and used it to do local calls for "free" from my cell phone
[00:54:15] <Animule> you've got the controller for the turbo
[00:54:19] <Animule> and a separate temp display
[00:54:20] <Beagle_starter> yep
[00:54:25] <Animule> the two don't talk to each other
[00:54:42] <Animule> so you gotta watch, tune the boost controller based on what you see on the egt's
[00:54:52] <Animule> mash the two into one
[00:54:56] <Animule> closed loop system
[00:55:11] <Animule> and all the high horsepower goodness that comes with it
[00:55:26] <Beagle_starter> can't see why it wouldn't work lol
[00:56:02] <Beagle_starter> u could use software to do this
[00:56:15] <Beagle_starter> I assume u're familiar to programming
[00:56:33] * Animule is comfortable in LabVIEW and Linux
[00:56:49] <Animule> only thing I don't like about LV is the proc/RAM overhead and $$
[00:57:23] <Animule> sure does make UI and development easy though
[00:57:29] <Beagle_starter> hmm
[00:57:50] <Beagle_starter> ...
[00:58:02] <Beagle_starter> I don?t know but can u run labview in beagle?
[00:58:09] <Beagle_starter> I don?t think so...
[00:58:11] <Animule> damn you, king soopers, for having easter candy on sale :\
[00:58:21] <Animule> I don't see why not
[00:58:27] <Animule> don't think i'd wnat to develop on it
[00:58:47] <Beagle_starter> well...u'd have to emulate it usingo vmware....
[00:58:48] <Animule> but i would hope its capable of running an executable
[00:59:29] <djlewis> ds2: I tried to contact the angstrom gspca maintainers but have not heard anything back.
[00:59:33] <Beagle_starter> that is a thing I have no idea how to do
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[00:59:54] <Beagle_starter> man....do u come here oftenly?
[01:00:03] <Animule> me?
[01:00:17] <Beagle_starter> yep
[01:00:23] <Animule> this channel just replaced a stagnant one, so yeah, i'll be here a bit now :P
[01:00:44] <Beagle_starter> I want to build a cluster of beagleboards
[01:00:53] <Animule> oh that'd be cool
[01:01:02] <Animule> no way it couldn't be done
[01:01:06] <Beagle_starter> bad news are...no one has ever tried that
[01:01:07] <Beagle_starter> ....
[01:01:19] <Beagle_starter> so I'm stuck
[01:01:22] <Beagle_starter> just bought mine
[01:01:24] <Animule> you seen what NCSA does with tehir supcoeom
[01:01:31] <Animule> their supercomputer development?
[01:01:38] <Animule> (hard to type with a dog licking your elbow)
[01:01:39] <Beagle_starter> nope
[01:01:49] <Animule> they did a PS2 cluster a few years back
[01:01:54] <Beagle_starter> ah ok
[01:01:57] <Beagle_starter> I remember that
[01:02:03] <Beagle_starter> it was pretty cool
[01:02:18] <Beagle_starter> that was a groups here at my university that reproduced it
[01:02:46] <Beagle_starter> u r running angstrom in ur board?
[01:02:52] * Animule doesn't have one yet
[01:03:09] <Animule> just a thought i've been rolling around in my head as i'm driving down from the mountains
[01:03:10] <Beagle_starter> (hard to type when ur sleepy)
[01:03:28] <Beagle_starter> it's no bad thought
[01:03:29] <Beagle_starter> and
[01:03:34] <Beagle_starter> possibly lucrative
[01:03:36] <Beagle_starter> rsrs
[01:03:42] <Animule> http://wildcat.homeunix.net/sled/20080830/DSC00034.jpg
[01:04:09] <Animule> put google earth on that, fed from NMEA data off gps
[01:04:16] <Animule> LabVIEW already has VI's to do that
[01:04:33] <Animule> obviously RPM/MPH/temp/time/odo/etc
[01:05:15] <Beagle_starter> sure....why are u stuck there ^^ start it
[01:05:41] <Beagle_starter> only question is...u'll do this alone?
[01:05:50] <Beagle_starter> may take some good months
[01:06:04] <Beagle_starter> r u an engineer?
[01:06:15] <Animule> Well, I know guys that are real good with sleds
[01:06:29] <Animule> one guy helps me a lot, used to do ice racing and snocross
[01:06:37] <ds2> Animule: you got google earth for Linux?
[01:06:45] <Animule> but he's not real strong with electronics
[01:07:02] <Animule> i'm good with electronics (electrical/test engineering), but don't know engines all that well
[01:07:10] <Beagle_starter> hmm
[01:07:25] <Beagle_starter> that would be my problem as well
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[01:07:32] <Animule> ds2: Nope, but a map or satellite view wouldn't be hard to overlay in a front panel
[01:07:37] <Beagle_starter> I'm finishing computer engineering
[01:07:54] <ds2> Animule: it is doable as long as you can get the sw bits
[01:08:21] <Animule> Think i'll get a start on it this summer
[01:08:49] <Animule> tap into the lines to the ECU, collect some data on that
[01:09:02] <Beagle_starter> basically you'll make the devices exchange messages...if u forget about google earth beagle is even too much for that
[01:09:14] <Animule> have to beef up the electrical system on my sled, put a few current monitors on that
[01:09:21] <ds2> Look up ODB II
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[01:09:34] <Animule> no ODBII on sleds :P
[01:09:43] <ds2> oh not car engines
[01:09:47] <Animule> Polaris has this "Digital Wrench" deal that's similar, but locked up tighter than a virgin
[01:09:59] <Beagle_starter> good luck on that thing I'm going now
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[01:10:19] <Animule> ds2: http://wildcat.homeunix.net/20090208/DSC00073.jpg
[01:10:25] <Animule> one of those :)
[01:10:46] <fenn> Animule: i suggest looking into microcontrollers or usb-based data acquisition thingies
[01:11:09] <Animule> Yeap, I use National Instruments DAQ's at work, USB bus-powered data acq
[01:11:37] <Animule> cheap too... the 6008s have 8 diff analog inputs, 2 analog outputs, and 12 DIO's
[01:11:42] <Animule> and they're $200-ish
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[01:12:17] <fenn> google earth and engine management running on the same processor just seems like a bad idea from the start
[01:12:41] <Xander> Hi there. Anyone there knows about DMA and I2S?
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[01:13:46] <ds2> fenn: welcome to HRT
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[01:13:57] <ds2> Xander: it just "works"... what do you need?
[01:14:09] <Guest29065> HI ds2
[01:14:34] <Guest29065> A mate and I are trying to bring up an external audio codec
[01:14:38] <Guest29065> using I2C and I2S
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[01:15:36] <Guest29065> we are using kernel 2.6.29-rc5 or something like because this where we started at (and haven't yet wished to rebase)
[01:16:09] <ds2> nice story so far...
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[01:16:13] <Guest29065> we have been working in modifying the soc layer
[01:16:21] <ds2> modifying?!
[01:16:26] <Guest29065> to use our codec instead of the twl4030
[01:16:37] <Guest29065> "modifying"
[01:16:43] <Guest29065> not rewritting
[01:16:43] <ds2> You should just need to modify 1 file (the one with the beagle name in it)
[01:16:53] <Guest29065> ah??
[01:16:54] <ds2> not touching the whole layer
[01:16:56] <Guest29065> actually
[01:17:01] <Guest29065> yes
[01:17:04] <Guest29065> you're correct =)
[01:17:07] <Guest29065> but
[01:17:09] <Guest29065> for the moment
[01:17:09] <ds2> that file is to glue to tell the SoC layer what codec to associate with
[01:17:36] <Guest29065> we have decided to use the twl4030 as an skeleton since all communications already happen to it
[01:17:52] <ds2> right and that's a a good idea; did that myself before
[01:17:52] <Guest29065> "communications", aka calls
[01:18:05] <Guest29065> and wished to minimize risks
[01:18:05] <ds2> it has code to setup the almighty McBSPs
[01:18:10] <Guest29065> before doing what you say
[01:18:18] <Guest29065> exactly
[01:18:23] <Guest29065> we have managed to make i2c work
[01:18:33] <Guest29065> so we are able to control the audio codec
[01:18:44] <Guest29065> we are working now with the I2S part
[01:18:59] <fenn> ds2: what's HRT?
[01:19:08] <Animule> hormone replacement therapy?
[01:19:12] <Circuitsoft> Hello. I just finished installing Debian on my BeagleBoard. The splash image looked fine, but the console text isn't spitting out any red.
[01:19:32] <Circuitsoft> Any pointers to how that can be fixed?
[01:19:38] <Guest29065> and we are understanding it... we've so far read that there's a dma transfer involved to the I2S address
[01:19:40] <Circuitsoft> Will X11 have the same issues?
[01:20:11] <ds2> Hard Real Time
[01:20:11] <Guest29065> in twl4030's case it's towards McBSP 2
[01:20:27] <Guest29065> and we need to do it towards McBSP3
[01:20:30] <Guest29065> per the manual
[01:20:36] <ds2> the McBSP is specfied in the file with the Beagle in the name
[01:20:45] <Guest29065> we know
[01:20:54] <Guest29065> we have changed that from 1 to 2
[01:21:08] <ds2> Okay... let me know when you get to your question :D
[01:21:09] <Guest29065> (zero-based identifying)
[01:21:29] <Guest29065> we think we have configured the 2 or 3 clocks required
[01:21:33] <Guest29065> the bit clock
[01:21:35] <Guest29065> the word clock
[01:21:40] <Guest29065> and the L/R clock
[01:21:42] <Guest29065> is that correct?
[01:22:31] <Guest29065> one of the clocks was inappropriate for our hardware. so, that's why we did that (probably will triple check this tomorrow)
[01:22:44] <Guest29065> we haven't touched the dma configuration yet
[01:22:56] <Guest29065> we just trusted it to be automatic
[01:23:01] <Guest29065> but it seems it's hanging
[01:23:14] <Guest29065> so no buffers seem to be transferred
[01:23:38] <Guest29065> when the first buffer comes in, it just hangs there. the IRQ callback is not being called
[01:23:47] <Guest29065> and sincerely, we don't know why. =)
[01:23:57] <Guest29065> we are still trying to understand all the parts involved
[01:25:32] <Guest29065> but if you can answer some questions I have regarding how everything glues together, I'd be really grateful
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[01:28:43] <ds2> the clock stuff done through the flags for the mcbsp calls
[01:29:01] <ds2> is the OMAP the master or slave?
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[01:32:22] <Guest29065> as far as I can recall
[01:32:24] <Guest29065> it's the master
[01:32:48] <Guest29065> what I remember is we telling the audio codec the mode
[01:32:56] <Guest29065> through I2C
[01:32:56] <ds2> hmmm you did setup the pinmux, RIGHT?
[01:32:57] <Guest29065> um
[01:32:57] <ds2> :D
[01:33:10] <Guest29065> thanks to a path provided by jarkko
[01:33:15] <Guest29065> *patch
[01:33:17] <Guest29065> =)
[01:33:19] <ds2> patch?
[01:33:23] <Guest29065> yes
[01:33:26] <ds2> as in kernel patch?
[01:33:33] <Guest29065> ummm, yes
[01:33:36] <ds2> try doing it in U-boot as an experiment
[01:33:37] <Guest29065> it's a quick patch
[01:33:47] <ds2> there been reports that the kernel pinmux config code is FOO bar
[01:33:50] <Guest29065> to set it up from there?
[01:33:59] <ds2> I been meaning to look at that but other things been keeping me busy
[01:33:59] <Guest29065> is that so?
[01:34:06] <Guest29065> um
[01:34:08] <ds2> yes, setup the pinmux from U-boot
[01:34:11] <Guest29065> interesting
[01:34:23] <Guest29065> could that make a difference?
[01:34:30] <ds2> the last I checked, almost a month ago, it didn't work...the last version I _PERSONALLY_ checked it was the 2.6.24 kernel
[01:34:42] <ds2> yes... bad pinmux == absolutely nothing seen on the outside world
[01:34:52] <ds2> the other way is to drop a LA on the clock pins and see if they wiggle
[01:34:54] <Guest29065> ok. but we received this patch directly from jarkko... since it wasn't in the main tree
[01:34:59] <ds2> for a master, they must wiggle
[01:35:30] <Guest29065> ds2, in what timezone are you?
[01:35:38] <ds2> PST
[01:35:43] <Guest29065> I was thinking that definitely you know more than I do
[01:35:58] <ds2> well... i do this stuff commericially too ;)
[01:36:03] <Guest29065> and out of office right now (I'm in CST)
[01:36:15] <ds2> ah
[01:36:27] <Guest29065> hahaha. me 2, but after we achieve this little experiment
[01:36:37] <Guest29065> we are learning before going out to the worl
[01:36:37] <Guest29065> d
[01:36:49] <ds2> oh bah.. competitors :P j/k
[01:36:53] <Guest29065> hahahaa
[01:36:56] <Animule> that's the 3rd 12-pack of peeps i've eaten today :(
[01:37:28] <ds2> fwiw, when I did that for the different codec, I ran into the pinmux issue
[01:37:35] <Guest29065> well, we have to eat somehow ;)
[01:37:58] <Guest29065> ok. then I'll check that first
[01:38:18] <Guest29065> what i'd like to do first is share with you jarkko's patch
[01:38:35] <Guest29065> and then move that down to u-boot
[01:38:45] <Guest29065> and double check everything
[01:39:10] <djlewis> Guest29065: which state? I'm in Arkansas.
[01:39:21] <Guest29065> because if the pinmux is not working from linux, that definitely could be doing a difference.
[01:39:34] <Guest29065> I'm in Nuevo Le??n, MX
[01:39:41] <ds2> while you are at it, fix the pinmux code
[01:39:44] <Guest29065> actually, my timezone is CST-old
[01:39:50] <ds2> contribute more to the community
[01:40:01] <fenn> Animule: it's time to check yourself into a clinic, dude
[01:40:07] <Guest29065> well, if you guide us a little bit with that, sure. why not?
[01:40:11] <djlewis> Oh.. just a bit farther than I anticipated :)
[01:40:25] <Guest29065> we are close to Tx. =)
[01:40:28] <ds2> like I said, I don't have time to track it down but it is on my todo list
[01:40:46] <Guest29065> then, sure. why not?
[01:40:46] <djlewis> I bet I'm the only BB user in Ar.
[01:41:17] <Guest29065> djlewis: maybe you just need to ask more around ;)
[01:41:32] <Guest29065> ds2: we can certainly help you with the pinmuxing
[01:42:07] <Guest29065> maybe it's already a work in progress with jarkko's patch. maybe you can help us put it in the level of quality you want or require
[01:42:10] <djlewis> I was thinking how long ago and far far away in a land long forgotten we once had user live usergroups.
[01:42:51] <Guest29065> djlewis: wow. like the linux user groups? or even older.
[01:42:58] <djlewis> Older.
[01:43:19] <djlewis> I was punnding on a terminal on my Altair 8800
[01:43:24] <djlewis> pounding
[01:43:48] <Guest29065> well, probably I'm not that old :S and mexico is a totally different story. :( not like the US
[01:44:43] <djlewis> Except for the Universitys I dont think there are any robotics folk around either.
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[01:50:02] <Guest29065> ds2: I got to go... the person I was waiting for is here... I found the patch we are using. can I forward that to you? so tomorrow we can go through it and see how I can help you with that?
[01:50:16] <ds2> find me tomorrow
[01:50:25] <ds2> my schedule is a mess at th emoment
[01:51:27] <Guest29065> good. perfect then. =) I really appreciate your time
[01:51:52] <ds2> =)
[01:51:53] <Guest29065> really. it's hard to dig into these things with not someone to talk to about them. =)
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[01:52:04] <djlewis> yep
[01:52:24] <ds2> @#%@#$@%@$%@#4~$3~@#$ it is not that hard
[01:52:37] <djlewis> funny dude..
[01:52:44] <ds2> I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of...just me, a big dent in the desk, and a logic analyzer
[01:53:14] <djlewis> my kingdom for a good logic analyzer
[01:53:54] <ds2> I'd settle for a WORKING LA...good is optional
[01:54:18] <ds2> but then for stuff like clocks, you can cheat and use an analog VOM
[01:54:26] <djlewis> I did a design in 2004 that went smooth hardware wise but the code stumped me for a time,.
[01:54:48] <ds2> coding is best done at 0400 the day before it is needed
[01:54:49] <djlewis> Now that is one slow clock pulse.
[01:55:00] <ds2> gives you a stronger impetus to get it working
[01:55:03] <djlewis> I am stronger in hdwre than code
[01:55:06] <ds2> slow??? eh?
[01:55:20] <ds2> you must not be familiar with the issues of a D'Arsonal movement ;)
[01:55:47] <djlewis> that big ol pointer can only move so fast.
[01:56:01] <ds2> again, I say... you must not be familiar with it
[01:56:24] <ds2> it is those issues that makes it superior to a DMM for ghetto debugging
[01:56:24] <djlewis> the faster the pulse the higher the reading?
[01:56:53] <ds2> sort of...it does an averaging of sorts so you can guestimate at a clock being present or not
[01:57:08] <ds2> due to the physical inertia, you have a good LPF
[01:57:39] <djlewis> I've had at least some semblense of an o-scope around since the early 70's
[01:58:08] <Animule> heh
[01:58:15] <Animule> "If you wait till the last minute, it'll only take a minute"
[01:58:32] <ds2> djlewis: some of us are not that endowed with fancy equipment
[01:58:58] <fenn> i dont think of an o-scope from the 70's as 'fancy equipment'
[01:59:04] <djlewis> sounds more like a personal prob...
[01:59:15] <ds2> depends on your budget
[01:59:31] <djlewis> you young'uns...
[02:00:02] <raster> koen: i fixed the exquisite fullscreen thing. it was an ecore-evas-fb bug with the method struct being filled in wrongly (fulscreen method was.. in the wrong spot). fixed in rev 40125
[02:01:56] <djlewis> ds2: I thought you said you had a logic analyzer.
[02:02:19] <ds2> djlewis: that wasn't mine
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[02:02:26] <ds2> I been looking for one
[02:02:55] <djlewis> I really should sel my telescope and pick up good test equipment.
[02:03:06] <ds2> djlewis: I used the analog VOM thing a long time ago
[02:03:17] <ds2> thesedays, I am a bit better equipped but no LA
[02:03:27] <djlewis> i figured that ;)
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[02:08:58] <Circuitsoft> Anyone know anything about miscolored framebuffer consoles?
[02:09:17] <Circuitsoft> I have my beagleboard plugged into a Samsung 22" monitor.
[02:09:25] <Circuitsoft> The splash image looked fine, but the text does not.
[02:09:28] <Circuitsoft> Can
[02:09:30] <Circuitsoft> 't get any red.
[02:10:02] <djlewis> The Beagle was a white background?
[02:10:06] <Circuitsoft> yup
[02:10:19] <djlewis> So all three primaries are there at that point.
[02:10:25] <djlewis> Circuits good.
[02:10:36] <raster> yeah
[02:10:38] <raster> i noticed that too
[02:10:40] <Circuitsoft> Also, during boot there was an image at the top of the screen that said "BeagleBoard" while text was scrolling.
[02:10:48] <raster> fb console is cyan text
[02:10:49] <Circuitsoft> That image was also just fine.
[02:10:53] <Circuitsoft> yes.
[02:11:09] <Circuitsoft> However, linux seems to believe it is putting out white.
[02:11:14] <raster> but regula fb using apps display fine
[02:11:19] <raster> its something inside the kernels fbcon
[02:11:22] <Circuitsoft> Having played with a few ANSI control chars...
[02:11:24] <Circuitsoft> hmm.
[02:11:25] <Circuitsoft> ok
[02:11:28] <raster> its not a big thing
[02:11:34] <raster> simply kernel console text is wrong
[02:11:37] <Circuitsoft> ok
[02:11:39] <raster> does it matter?
[02:11:48] <Circuitsoft> links2 in debian seems to only support directfb, not fbcon.
[02:11:49] <raster> fb apps display fine
[02:11:55] <raster> as they get the screenpixel format right
[02:11:57] <Circuitsoft> And directfb doesn't currently like me.
[02:12:00] <raster> kernel fb console doesnt it seems
[02:12:15] <Circuitsoft> ok
[02:12:20] <raster> just run x
[02:12:44] <Circuitsoft> Still trying to figure out how to install X without pulling in heavyweight gnome at the same time.
[02:13:04] <raster> ?
[02:13:08] <raster> wtf?
[02:13:12] <raster> wghat has gnome to do with x?
[02:13:16] <djlewis> I boot to Angstrom and it looks like a good linux box should.
[02:13:34] <Circuitsoft> I'm using Debian Lenny, not Angstrom.
[02:13:58] <Circuitsoft> I just happen to like gdm as opposed to xdm.
[02:14:05] <Circuitsoft> And now, it seems to be working.
[02:14:12] <raster> oooh debian
[02:14:17] <raster> well thats raltively fat
[02:14:20] <Circuitsoft> (wonder why aptitude tried to pull in gnome before)
[02:14:25] <Circuitsoft> I have a 16G SD card.
[02:14:29] <raster> and gdm reauires gnome components/libs
[02:14:31] <raster> so if u like gdm
[02:14:32] <raster> too bnad
[02:14:36] <raster> u get to suck in gnome
[02:14:41] <raster> change your likes
[02:14:43] <raster> :)
[02:15:01] <Circuitsoft> A few, but it shouldn't require gnome-panel, etc.
[02:15:07] <Circuitsoft> Basically, I want xfce.
[02:15:14] <raster> thats just how debina packaged it up
[02:15:33] <raster> unless you are willing to live with the insall
[02:15:36] <raster> whihc u apparently are
[02:15:51] <raster> you use debian - so you have already accepted a fat distro install.
[02:15:53] <raster> just live with it
[02:15:58] <Circuitsoft> Well, it didn't select everything under the sun this time.
[02:16:04] <Circuitsoft> Seems to be working nicely.
[02:16:12] <Circuitsoft> Generally, my other option is Gentoo.
[02:17:11] * raster goes back to openembedded
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[02:17:53] <Circuitsoft> I intend to put the beagle into a laptop shell I have.
[02:18:05] <Circuitsoft> So, I'd like a desktop-like system.
[02:18:45] <raster> angtstom/oe can provide that
[02:18:53] <raster> but at a fraction of the footprint of debian
[02:19:00] <djlewis> Are you hoping to use the LCD?
[02:19:29] <raster> unless you plan to do some serious soldering and board-respinning work...
[02:19:31] <raster> u wotn get far there
[02:19:32] <raster> :)
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[02:20:04] <Circuitsoft> I am planning to do a fair amount of custom board layout.
[02:20:14] <raster> aaah ok
[02:20:21] <raster> so you're basically doing another touchbook
[02:20:27] <Circuitsoft> I need to find the pinout of the original battery, I need to build a custom keyboard controller, I need to build a ps/2 interface for the mouse, etc.
[02:20:28] <djlewis> hmmm, may the force be with you
[02:20:49] <Circuitsoft> I need to add an RTC...
[02:20:58] <Circuitsoft> Or figure out how to use the one on the beagle
[02:21:14] <djlewis> beagles does not have one.
[02:21:22] <Circuitsoft> I expect one or two chips dedicated to just the display adapter.
[02:21:52] <Circuitsoft> I'll put a small micro in to connect to the keyboard and touchpad and hang off the i2c bus.
[02:21:52] <teamy> i see all this talk about s-video and the beagleboard, but does it actually work?
[02:22:03] <djlewis> you might just use a LCD with HDMI input and fit it in.
[02:22:05] <geckosenator> or is it all just talk?
[02:22:07] <Circuitsoft> Then I'll need to build a power supply for the unit.
[02:22:23] <Circuitsoft> djlewis: It's a 7" screen.
[02:22:30] <Circuitsoft> I doubt I'll find a 7" HDMI LCD
[02:22:36] <geckosenator> I have a 4" one
[02:22:36] * raster is boggled at the idea that someone still have video equipment that does svhs in... that someone WANTS to look at
[02:22:41] <djlewis> sure would simplyfy things.
[02:23:01] <teamy> geckosenator: can you give a link to the 4"
[02:23:20] <Circuitsoft> And I'm already planning on removing several things from the beagleboard to make it thin enough to fit in the shell.
[02:23:21] <geckosenator> actuall it works for 7" too
[02:23:25] <geckosenator> but I broke my 7"
[02:23:28] <geckosenator> http://digitalsurveyinstruments.com/beagleperiphials/hdmi2parallel/doc/index.htm
[02:24:30] <teamy> geckosenator: is there one i can buy, or can i buy urs? I need it by Tuesday
[02:24:38] <teamy> haha
[02:24:44] <geckosenator> how much $$ are you willing to pay?
[02:24:57] <Circuitsoft> My LCD takes lvds, so I'll need more than just the tfp401a
[02:25:12] <geckosenator> Circuitsoft: there is another chip you can hook up
[02:25:15] <teamy> how much is it worth? its for a school project so i can't go to overboard
[02:25:40] <Circuitsoft> I know. I planned on starting with the tfp401a and feeding that into an lvds transmitter.
[02:25:49] <geckosenator> that would work
[02:25:53] <Circuitsoft> The original motherboard had a Via C7 and VX700 chipset.
[02:26:03] <geckosenator> but the issue I have is it consumes too much power
[02:26:09] <Circuitsoft> Since I can't find any DVI-LVDS translators...
[02:26:26] <geckosenator> it's best to not use dvi at all
[02:26:42] <djlewis> the backlight is power hungry
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[02:26:45] <Circuitsoft> I have a 4cell lithium battery so I'm not too worried about power.
[02:26:46] <teamy> there isn't any portable HDMI players are there?
[02:26:50] <Circuitsoft> Backlight is 1/2 watt
[02:26:58] <geckosenator> djlewis: the backlight uses 1/3rd the power of the dvi encoder/decoder
[02:27:39] <geckosenator> my backlight is like a watt
[02:27:59] <geckosenator> adjustable .05W - 1W
[02:28:11] <djlewis> Hmmm. i have been disislusioned... thinking of small test and graphic LCDs that require about .5 amp
[02:28:49] <djlewis> sounds good.
[02:29:14] <Circuitsoft> Next, I need to find the pinout of the LCD panel.
[02:29:32] <Circuitsoft> It is clearly an off-the-shelf part.
[02:30:06] <nlewycky> i'm trying to install debian on my beagle, and i get a panic with these messages: http://pastebin.com/m6b7fce9
[02:31:02] <Circuitsoft> nlewycky - Skip the script files
[02:31:21] <nlewycky> sounds good, let me try that
[02:31:24] <Circuitsoft> Just set the environments manually.
[02:31:46] <Circuitsoft> I assume you're using http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian ?
[02:31:51] <nlewycky> yes
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[02:39:29] <Animule> mmm beam & coke
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[02:54:31] <Circuitsoft> Anyone know anything about tracking down LCD panel datasheets?
[02:55:08] <Circuitsoft> The LCD I'm trying to interface to is a TOPPOLY TD070WGEC3
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[02:58:02] <Animule> uhm
[02:58:03] <Animule> google?
[02:59:10] <Animule> wehhre'd you gt it
[02:59:16] <djlewis> sounds cool though I, for one, am not into reinventing the laptop.
[02:59:44] <djlewis> Just want my beagle to shamelessly be brains for my bot.
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[03:01:24] <Animule> huh, tea; not fdining it on my sual sourecs
[03:05:08] <Circuitsoft> I have an Everex Cloudbook with a dead motherboard.
[03:05:19] <Circuitsoft> That's the display in it.
[03:11:09] <djlewis> Circuitsoft: I only found one reference to your lcd that might have more info http://widget.mibbit.com/url/9HjfaH
[03:11:29] <djlewis> One would have to inquire to them and hope.
[03:14:05] <Circuitsoft> Found that too.
[03:14:23] <djlewis> yep, its slim pickens out there on that one.
[03:14:42] <Circuitsoft> I did manage to find a datasheet for the LVDS receiver chip.
[03:14:58] <Circuitsoft> It's just a matter of the pinout of the control board on the display, itself.
[03:19:30] <Circuitsoft> Figured out what wanted to install seemingly all of gnome - synaptic.
[03:26:01] <djlewis> I just pulled a broken LCD panel from my trash can. I might want to save the cable off it.
[03:27:33] <djlewis> Hopefully the BB LCD headers wont be that small.
[03:28:37] <Circuitsoft> Why is mmcqd sitting ~50% cpu? Granted I'm doing lots of I/O right now, but is mmc really that inefficient?
[03:30:39] <Circuitsoft> Would I be better off running off a thumb drive?
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[04:16:03] <djlewis> Circuitsoft: you still here?
[04:16:10] <Circuitsoft> yup
[04:16:17] <djlewis> I found your data sheet
[04:16:26] <Circuitsoft> Wow!
[04:16:29] <Circuitsoft> Where?!?!
[04:17:06] <djlewis> shortcut to dnld button. http://widget.mibbit.com/url/Np3OWx
[04:17:29] <djlewis> let me know if the link works. I already dnld'd it .
[04:17:49] <ds2> is this one of those datasheet ad pusher sites?
[04:18:01] <djlewis> nope.
[04:18:34] <djlewis> previous page: http://widget.mibbit.com/url/7IcZVO
[04:18:46] <djlewis> Has lots of LCD data sheets
[04:18:55] <ds2> has anyone tried molding silicone to make things like button caps?
[04:19:09] <Circuitsoft> I'll see, but your link was to the wrong datasheet.
[04:19:20] <Circuitsoft> My display is 800x480 - yours is 854x4840
[04:19:27] <Circuitsoft> *854x480
[04:19:56] <Circuitsoft> Mine is TD070WGEC3 yours id TD070WGCB2
[04:20:04] <djlewis> I see off a letter or two. mayby the plug is same?
[04:20:19] <Circuitsoft> May be, but resolution is different too.
[04:20:50] <djlewis> I searched for the first part, TD070WG, you might research, not the google searchj.
[04:21:07] <Circuitsoft> No, plug is not the same.
[04:21:15] <Circuitsoft> The few pins I've surmised myself don't match.
[04:22:19] <djlewis> bummer.
[04:23:01] <Circuitsoft> The receiver chip on it is a THine THC63LVDF64A
[04:23:23] <Circuitsoft> I've found the datasheet for that and can trace the pcb lines from it to the plug.
[04:23:43] <Circuitsoft> The issue is that it only has "channel 1, channel 2" etc, not red, green, blue, etc.
[04:23:52] <ds2> is that a LVDS or Parallel LCD?
[04:24:29] <Circuitsoft> lvds
[04:24:29] <Circuitsoft> Well, seems to be a parallel lcd with a control board on the back with an lvds receiver.
[04:24:40] <ds2> ah
[04:25:03] <ds2> why not just use it as a LVDS LCD and add a LVDS xmitter on the beagle side?
[04:25:14] <Circuitsoft> The other problems involve interfacing to the backlight "inverter"
[04:25:24] <Circuitsoft> That's the intent.
[04:25:38] <Circuitsoft> I just need to find a compatible lvds xmitter.
[04:25:46] <ds2> I see
[04:25:52] <Circuitsoft> And the pinout of the display.
[04:26:09] <ds2> inverter powered LCDs are annoying but all so popular :(
[04:26:41] <ds2> if you got far enough to identify if is a color or a clock signal, then it should be easy enough to figure out later
[04:26:54] <ds2> just write a quick FB program to set the FB to all red and look at the LCD
[04:27:15] <Circuitsoft> The computer it came from is dead.
[04:27:23] <ds2> no, I mean on the beagle
[04:27:44] <ds2> the RGB signals are interchangeable...generate known good signals on thebeagle and see if it looks right
[04:28:04] <Circuitsoft> Oh, have it be an all red framebuffer and move lines around until the display shows all red?
[04:28:06] <Circuitsoft> Then there's the matter of finding the proper display timings...
[04:28:14] <ds2> yep
[04:28:18] <Circuitsoft> The laptop only ever worked right with vesa drivers.
[04:28:21] <ds2> or just write it up with a guess
[04:28:37] <Circuitsoft> The via drivers used the wrong timings and the openchrome drivers needed to use FBModes to work.
[04:28:42] <ds2> then drive it all red in software...if it turns all green then you must ahve the red wired to green
[04:28:49] <ds2> no, do this on the beagle
[04:28:53] <ds2> not with the PC
[04:28:58] <Circuitsoft> Step 1 - find the power pins.
[04:29:06] <Circuitsoft> I know.
[04:29:14] <ds2> right, it assumes you know power/clocks/color/inverter pins
[04:29:35] <Circuitsoft> What happens if I get the phase wrong on the LVDS lines?
[04:29:36] <ds2> with LVDS, they should be on seperate balanced pairs
[04:29:55] <ds2> I think it would appear as an inversion
[04:30:02] <Circuitsoft> ok
[04:30:05] <ds2> for clocks, it may prevent it from working
[04:30:12] <ds2> for color, it would most likely look funny
[04:38:11] <Circuitsoft> Are there any patterns I could display on the screen that might make a tiny bit of sense as a clock on one or two channels?
[04:38:48] <Circuitsoft> In other words, could I display a pattern that would look wrong, but look like something with the clock lines hooked up wrong and look okay with them on correctly?
[04:42:18] <djlewis> I still think a lot could be gleaned from the one datasheet that turned up.
[04:42:44] <djlewis> It claims to be a 7" even though it has the higher pixel count.
[04:46:00] <djlewis> part numbers are so close might be more similar that it first appears?
[04:47:49] <ds2> no clock == no display
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[05:14:49] <Circuitsoft> Pinout (what I know so far) at http://gist.github.com/96869
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[05:49:26] <raster> koen: i have no totally broken angstrom! enjoy! :)
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[05:55:57] <ds2> hmm
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[06:03:52] <sakoman> raster: just how broken will it be if I pull now?
[06:04:00] <raster> i'm joking
[06:04:05] <raster> it builds for me (tm)
[06:04:11] <sakoman> :-)
[06:04:15] <raster> nb!!! push your patches to oe-dev
[06:04:17] <raster> for wifi et.c driver
[06:04:23] <sakoman> I think I'll wait till morning
[06:04:36] <raster> your kernel doesnt work with my kbd./mouse when plugged into my usbhub
[06:04:43] <sakoman> raster: can't do that for a couple of reasons
[06:04:55] <raster> it refuses to aknolwedge the xistence of the inptu devices
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[06:05:31] <sakoman> I don't have commit access, the wifi binarry blobs need a redistribution license
[06:06:08] <raster> ooooooh
[06:06:11] <raster> i see!
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[06:06:30] <sakoman> though I notice that the latter issue may have gone away since marvell seems to have added the 8686 blobs to the linux firmware git
[06:06:48] <sakoman> so I should change the recipe to pull them from there
[06:07:13] <sakoman> then the gumstix redistribution license won't stand in the way of pushing the recipe
[06:07:52] <sakoman> raster: when you say "your kernel" what are you referring to?
[06:08:09] <sakoman> mine works fine with kb/mouse :-)
[06:09:13] <sakoman> are you using a kernel built from koen's omap recipe?
[06:09:55] <raster> sakoman: the kernel binaries u have on sakoman.net
[06:10:05] <raster> ie built from your own git tree
[06:10:40] <raster> Angstrom/2.6.29-rc7+r1+git1e2ac5
[06:11:09] <raster> my kbd/mouse work with oe kernel from oe.dev git
[06:12:05] <sakoman> you mean the ones from here: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/
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[06:12:15] <raster> yup
[06:12:25] <raster> its slightly older
[06:12:31] <raster> from the last timei snarfed
[06:12:44] <sakoman> well, that is strange because I use those images every day!
[06:12:57] <raster> i have a wireless kbd/mopuse
[06:13:00] <raster> i use on my desktop
[06:13:04] <sakoman> me too
[06:13:12] <sakoman> through a KVM even!
[06:13:18] <raster> i simply unplug the dongle from my monitor usb slot and slide into the powered usb hub on my overo
[06:13:25] <raster> and the overo doesnt want to know the kbd/mouse exists
[06:13:28] <raster> nothing happens
[06:13:34] <sakoman> strange!1
[06:13:38] <raster> but with the oe kernel. it works just fine
[06:13:46] <raster> kernel doesnt say a thing (dmesg-wise)
[06:13:52] <sakoman> does it see them if you boot with them connected?
[06:13:52] <raster> doesnt recognise the usb device added at all
[06:14:01] <raster> hmm
[06:14:10] <raster> i didnt check that (as i lose my input on my desktop)
[06:15:04] <sakoman> very strange!
[06:15:15] <raster> but if u can find a way of getting the wifi "upsteram" - that;'d be awesome!
[06:15:32] <raster> (less for you to maintain too)
[06:15:43] <sakoman> I'll have to compare the defconfig between koen's recipe and mine
[06:16:57] <raster> let me check this uimage first
[06:17:00] <raster> with your kernel
[06:17:08] <raster> (nto your latest - but the one i have had probs with)
[06:18:53] <raster> hmmm
[06:18:56] <raster> ok wait
[06:19:02] <raster> kernel does recognise it
[06:19:14] <koen> good morning all
[06:19:27] <sakoman> good morning koen
[06:19:43] <koen> sakoman: before I go scrolling back 10 hours, did the e config patch work?
[06:20:01] <sakoman> heh, I am booting it right now :-)
[06:20:02] <raster> sakoman: http://www.pastebin.ca/1394690
[06:20:03] <raster> but
[06:20:07] <raster> no life
[06:21:07] <sakoman> raster: strange, since the input device seems to be getting set up properly
[06:21:16] <raster> cant vt switch
[06:21:20] <raster> mouse and kbd in x dead
[06:21:25] <raster> with oe kernel- works just fine
[06:21:30] <raster> thats plugged in runtime
[06:21:52] <raster> in fact i just had my serial console barf
[06:23:05] <sakoman> koen: just as soon as first boot completes I'll have the answer for you
[06:23:45] <raster> http://www.pastebin.ca/1394693
[06:23:49] <raster> thats a full plug/unplug cycle
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[06:24:30] <raster> hmm
[06:24:40] <raster> ok - if i am already in a vt (text console) ...
[06:24:44] <raster> it works
[06:24:49] <raster> i can vt switch kernel-side
[06:25:03] <raster> seems x doesnt seem to see the device add with your kernels
[06:25:04] <raster> hmm
[06:25:34] <sakoman> I think that is done by udev, not the kernel
[06:25:52] <sakoman> so I would think that would be in your user space
[06:26:45] <raster> yup
[06:26:53] <raster> even boot with it plugged in doesnt work - in x
[06:27:17] <raster> so somethnig is up... something different in how udev sees the kernel devices
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[06:28:53] <sakoman> it works fine paired with the user space I build. no on has ever complained about *that* issue :-)
[06:29:15] <raster> hahahha
[06:29:15] <sakoman> koen: your fix worked fine -- no more connman complaints!
[06:29:25] <raster> well thats the problem here
[06:29:33] <raster> what on earht is the thing that ticks it off
[06:29:53] <sakoman> perhaps some module incompatibility??
[06:31:19] <raster> well.. modules definitely are incompatible
[06:31:26] <raster> different kernels
[06:31:29] <raster> maybe that sit
[06:31:52] <sakoman> could be slightly different kernel revs
[06:32:00] <raster> almost certainly
[06:32:03] <raster> gmm
[06:32:05] <sakoman> though I can't imagine what would trigger that!~
[06:32:12] <raster> but there are no modules for input devices on usb
[06:32:28] <raster> sure - serial, ethernet, storage...
[06:32:29] <raster> yup
[06:32:38] <raster> audio modules
[06:32:47] <raster> but input is in-kernel
[06:33:22] <sakoman> let me check and make sure that is the case for my kernel
[06:35:38] <koen> raster: that splash commit broke for people not having SPLASH set, since OE will expand ${EMPTYVAR} to '${EMPTYVAR}'
[06:35:47] <koen> raster: easily fixed :)
[06:38:58] <raster> koen: i fixed all the image.bb's i thought used angstrom
[06:39:39] <sakoman> raser: the USB HID sections for koen's and my defconfigs are the same
[06:40:20] <sakoman> though he has usb debug set and I don't
[06:41:16] <raster> sakoman: hmmm
[06:41:20] <sakoman> so it is still a mystery to me
[06:41:40] <koen> maybe it got fixed during the -rc series
[06:42:38] <raster> koen: so how do i fix it properly?
[06:42:43] <raster> i tried...
[06:42:43] <sakoman> raster: ah, just noticed you are using rc7
[06:42:47] <raster> (the splash thing)
[06:43:01] <raster> sakoman: well.. that was one of your kernels....
[06:43:26] <sakoman> one gets built every day :-)
[06:43:40] <sakoman> sometimes they might have issues
[06:43:44] <koen> raster: I just fixed it
[06:43:44] <raster> i can try your latest
[06:43:52] <koen> raster: it's only an issue for non angstrom distros
[06:44:00] <sakoman> that would be a better place for us to start
[06:44:10] <koen> raster: or distros that copies angstrom configs, but not your splash var
[06:44:17] <raster> koen: hmm well the ones i changes referred to ansgtrom base tasks/packages etc.
[06:44:21] <sakoman> though it is time for sleep now . . .
[06:44:47] <raster> so since i dont actually know what distro is "set" when building those images.. i can only assume they are intended to be build with angstrom?
[06:45:06] <sakoman> I'll check back in the morning. let me know if the current kernel has the same issue
[06:45:23] <raster> sakoman: k will do
[06:45:25] <koen> raster: in practice there aren't any non-angstrom distros in OE that people care about
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[06:46:16] <raster> koen: that means almost every image.bb needs fixing
[06:46:24] <raster> but how do i know.. which ones need it (or not)?
[06:46:26] <raster> thats the q
[06:46:59] <raster> koen: nb.. what image do u build?
[06:47:05] <koen> wait for people to complain :)
[06:47:09] <raster> so i know what one to normally care about?
[06:47:14] <raster> HAHAHHAAH
[06:47:15] <raster> ok ok
[06:47:18] <raster> then i did the right thing
[06:47:21] <raster> wait for complaints
[06:47:21] <ds2> complains being requested?
[06:47:30] <raster> but i did fix it all and tested builds and ran them
[06:47:31] <koen> I build console-image and beagle-demo image most of the time
[06:47:52] <raster> ok
[06:48:01] <raster> i guessed beagle-demo
[06:48:04] <raster> console too
[06:48:10] <raster> and that... doesnt need a splash
[06:48:54] <raster> sakoman: ok. same problem with latest http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/200904161145/ uimage
[06:49:03] <raster> so.. at least its consistent
[06:49:03] <raster> :)
[06:49:58] <raster> hmm
[06:50:03] <raster> udev does create device nodes
[06:50:13] <raster> ./event1
[06:50:14] <raster> ./mouse0
[06:50:14] <raster> ./event0
[06:50:14] <raster> ./mice
[06:51:57] <koen> could you check the names of those?
[06:52:07] <koen> event0 and 1 might be buttons
[06:52:08] <AV500> koen: enabling L2 cache from Linux did not work for you right?
[06:52:12] <AV500> gm btw
[06:52:50] <raster> koen: doesnt much matter as mouse doesnt work either
[06:52:59] <raster> and icant check esily.. as i lost my kbd/mouse
[06:53:05] <raster> as they get plugged into the box
[06:53:06] <raster> :)
[06:53:11] <raster> (where it then doesnt recognise them)
[06:53:15] <koen> AV500: I don't remember the details, but iirc the trick was to have uboot leave it on and have the kernel not disable it
[06:53:17] <raster> koen: oe upsteram kernels work just fine
[06:53:35] <raster> what i dont know is.. what is it about the change in kernel that makes userspace not see/use/ the use devices?
[06:53:57] <AV500> koen: yes, it seems that older ES could do it, but not newer ones, code that runs in es2.0 hangs in 3.x
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[06:55:40] <mpoullet|work> good morning
[06:56:18] <koen> hey mpoullet|work
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[06:57:10] <mpoullet|work> hi koen!
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[07:05:01] <eFfeM> morning everyone
[07:05:22] <ds2> morning
[07:05:38] <AV500> gm
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[07:11:18] <mpoullet|work> eFfeM: AV500: ds2: gm
[07:18:16] <mru> morning
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[07:34:16] <mib_c8wawr> ..
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[07:46:12] <koen> raster: what's the trick to have exquisite display text?
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[08:06:01] <raster> koen: oooh
[08:06:07] * raster pings koen
[08:06:12] <AV500> mru: I managed to enable L2 from kernel
[08:06:20] <AV500> speed is OK now
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[08:10:31] <koen> raster: pong
[08:11:30] * koen wonders if L2 is running on the zoom
[08:11:55] <AV500> koen: apply http://git.mansr.com/?p=linux-omap;a=commit;h=775507f96bf9e4a2b4b6e3cc0f0474e2ca471112
[08:12:10] <AV500> and check the aux_control entry, it needs bit 1 set
[08:12:34] <AV500> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/aux_control
[08:12:39] <AV500> 0x52
[08:12:50] <AV500> or 0x72 with the L1NEON fix
[08:13:14] <koen> my internet connection is being sucky
[08:13:17] <koen> or mrus
[08:13:19] <mru> AV500: I have a kernel patch to enable L2 cache on boot
[08:13:31] <AV500> so have I
[08:13:35] <mru> koen: rebuilding computers
[08:13:40] <mru> what doesn't work?
[08:13:52] <koen> http://git.mansr.com/?p=linux-omap;a=commit;h=775507f96bf9e4a2b4b6e3cc0f0474e2ca471112
[08:14:15] * koen tries from another host
[08:14:22] <koen> ah yes, it's my sucky ISP
[08:14:27] <AV500> mru: http://pastebin.com/m41292061
[08:15:00] <mru> koen: could be a dns cache thing
[08:15:17] <AV500> koen: it works for me
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[08:20:29] <raster> koen: ping2
[08:20:35] <koen> raster: pong2
[08:20:38] <raster> aaah ok
[08:20:48] <raster> ummmm
[08:21:41] <raster> text in exquisitie?
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[08:22:01] <koen> raster: like "Pants off!" at some point during boot
[08:22:17] <raster> koen: look at /etc/default/splashfuncs
[08:22:41] <raster> basically the splash "thing" provides a set of funcstions for init rc
[08:22:45] <raster> status_*
[08:23:00] <raster> status_title "a title string" will put up a big title at the top'
[08:23:10] <raster> status_text "text here"
[08:23:16] <raster> will put text under that title - smaller font
[08:23:27] <koen> MSG pants off!
[08:23:28] <raster> in theory there is a whole text "console" there
[08:23:32] <raster> that can scroll past text
[08:23:44] <raster> but the illume (and angstom) themes dont support it
[08:23:48] <raster> exquisite's default does tho
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[08:24:12] <koen> srolling or text display?
[08:25:25] <raster> the whole test buffer that scrolls
[08:25:34] <raster> that is not supported in the illume/angstom theme
[08:25:41] <raster> the title and text are tho
[08:25:51] <raster> so title just gets replaced
[08:25:52] <raster> as does text
[08:26:15] <raster> so title could be "Angstrom Pr0n"
[08:26:30] <raster> and text be "taking pants off"
[08:26:35] <raster> "removing undies"
[08:26:43] <raster> "streaking around the oval"
[08:26:54] <raster> "shagging a goat"
[08:26:58] <raster> "run for it"
[08:26:59] <raster> etc.
[08:27:00] <raster> :)
[08:27:42] <koen> "Fly awesome air"
[08:28:22] <raster> hahahaha
[08:28:46] <raster> anbyway
[08:28:57] <raster> the funcs thing provides a way to do that
[08:29:13] <raster> i suspect over tiem some more splash funcs may appear
[08:29:23] <raster> exquisitie can do a hell of a lot more than is listed there
[08:29:37] <raster> but for now.. it'll do just fine
[08:30:09] * koen waits for ecore_gles and spinning cubes
[08:30:20] <raster> i was hoping that gradually inir scripts can grow "status_text 'Doing task X'" lines in them
[08:30:24] <raster> hahaha
[08:30:29] <raster> already have it
[08:30:34] <raster> but5 u wont have spinning cubed
[08:30:35] <raster> cubes
[08:30:37] <raster> its not 3d
[08:30:38] <raster> 2d
[08:30:48] <raster> i could do spining cubes fast anyway
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[08:30:57] <raster> i REALLY should dig out my 3d engine
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[09:17:45] <hrw> morning
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[09:26:32] <koen> florian: could you kick apache2?
[09:27:14] <florian> koen: done
[09:31:00] <mru> koen: I can stab apache2 for you...
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[09:45:58] <hrw> bye
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[10:02:22] <jkridner> good morning all
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[10:03:23] <florian> hi jkridner
[10:03:24] <hrw> re
[10:03:44] <jkridner> howdy florian, hrw.
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[10:10:35] <koen> florian: have you considered using nginx for static content on ltg?
[10:12:29] <ant_work> koen: bluez-libs ... ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide bluez-libs (/oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/bluez/bluez4_4.35.bb /oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/bluez/bluez-libs_3.36.bb).
[10:13:35] <florian> koen: no, what's that
[10:13:40] <florian> ?
[10:14:34] <koen> florian: http://nginx.net/ a loadbalancer/frontend
[10:14:48] <koen> florian: it can serve static content without having to go through apache
[10:14:55] <koen> ant_work: what branch?
[10:15:00] <ant_work> dev
[10:15:40] <florian> koen: sounds useful... if you have free time feel free.
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[10:18:40] <koen> ant_work: it's a side-effect of how bluez4 was added to OE, can't do much about it except upgrading every recipe that uses bluez to bluez4
[10:19:43] <XorA> koen: thats probably a worthy RFC :-)
[10:19:49] <ant_work> honestly I have yet to test bluez4 +hal + dbus...
[10:20:38] <koen> bluez4 + gnome-bluetooth (which is actually gtk-bluetooth) make bluetooth work pretty nicely
[10:20:53] <koen> I haven't figured out how to convince connman to do PAN and NAP, though
[10:21:14] <XorA> psn would be nice, make it easy to get onto 3g with pandora :-)
[10:22:58] * koen tries packagekit git now tick has pushed my patches
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[10:34:19] <koen> XorA: we could add a anonymous function that raises skippackage on bluez-utils
[10:34:23] <koen> XorA: for angstrom
[10:34:44] <XorA> koen: hehe, would solve the problem
[10:35:43] <XorA> koen: that actually might be an idea for a new OE feature DISTRO_BLOCK = "blah blah blah" which excludes certain packages
[10:36:17] <XorA> or DISTRO-BLOCK sorry :-)
[10:39:19] <XorA> anyway is time for me to go find lunch
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[10:57:56] <koen> finally: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/727508aa1776f40a40dad304ff6d3326.png
[10:59:49] <florian> ah cool!
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[11:33:02] <adj> damn, seems that i found a beagle with broken serial port
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[11:46:29] <koen> hrw: don't reverts need approval from more people?
[11:48:02] <hrw> koen: dont distro config change require approve from its maintainer?
[11:48:47] <koen> hrw: yes, which I had :)
[11:49:19] <koen> Jeremy and I have been working together on the iphone stuff this week :)
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[12:26:38] <anzip> Hi, I just caught my Rev C2 board and my serial console shows text, but I can't write anything. Is this a common problem also with rev C2 boards?
[12:27:51] <koen> check your flow settings
[12:28:53] <anzip> They should be alright. 115200, 8,1 No parity, no flow control.
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[12:30:22] <Crofton> anzip, do you have the proper cable?
[12:32:51] <anzip> It should be OK, I haven't yet verified it yet with another system. Putting the cable another way around worked exactly the same (can see text, cannot write), so it should be a proper cross cable. Board to serial adapter I measured, and it was alright
[12:33:39] <adj> i just 5 mins ago found a null modem cable which seemed to be okay but the symptoms were similar with yours
[12:34:02] <adj> text came from beagle to pc but not from pc to beagle
[12:34:35] <anzip> moi Antti..
[12:34:35] <adj> i replaced the cable and now it works
[12:35:05] <anzip> So the cable was bad..
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[12:35:11] <adj> aargh, didn't know it was you :)
[12:37:05] <anzip> Ok, That's good news. I'll go home and test with another cable..
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[12:49:14] <adj> grhmph..grumble... seems that the cable we used wasn't a null-modem cable but a straight one with female connectors at both ends
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[13:16:57] <Xenion> moin moin / hello
[13:17:20] <koen> wiki wiki greeting to you to
[13:17:27] <Xenion> :-)
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[13:19:03] <s0likka> Hey
[13:19:44] <s0likka> Have i assumed right, latest release beagleboard have lvds built in?
[13:20:49] <hrw> no, it has connection pads for them
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[13:21:13] <koen> revB had then "builtin" in the narrow sense of the word
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[13:21:23] <koen> revC brings them out to pads, as hrw said
[13:21:56] <s0likka> Ok :)
[13:22:56] <s0likka> so, connecting 8.9" tft panel should not be an impossible job to do =)
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[13:26:58] <adj> not an impossible task but you'll need an lvds converter/controller
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[13:33:55] <teamy> how quick is beagleboard on RMA requests?
[13:34:10] <jkridner|work> teamy: depends on where you live.
[13:34:18] <AV500> depends on how much volts you applied
[13:34:27] <jkridner|work> that too!
[13:34:45] <AV500> 220 makes it fast!
[13:34:58] <teamy> i don't think the board it fried, the HDMI out isn't working
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[13:35:08] <teamy> but it appears as though the board it running fine
[13:35:12] <jkridner|work> how are you testing it?
[13:35:27] <jkridner|work> configuring the timing on the HDMI is currently very tricky.
[13:35:55] <jkridner|work> no one has written software that utilizes the EDID and right PLL settings to make it automatically work without manual configuration.
[13:36:01] <jkridner|work> (at least not that I'm aware of)
[13:36:12] <s0likka> err, does HDMI even work on beagleboard?
[13:36:20] <adj> yes it does
[13:36:50] <s0likka> neat
[13:36:59] <adj> if "working" can be defined as a visible picture on dvi monitor :)
[13:37:09] <teamy> when viewing the BB through the terminal it appears to boot up as normal
[13:37:09] <teamy> but no video out...
[13:37:55] <adj> do you have any software which sends something to the hdmi?
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[13:38:46] <teamy> i am running angstrom on it, or the startup splash screen and both were previously working
[13:39:03] <AV500> so HDMI stopped working?
[13:39:03] <teamy> and i tested another BB with the same setup and it worked fine
[13:39:07] <teamy> exactly
[13:39:22] <AV500> ok, then I guess it broke
[13:39:38] <AV500> give jkridner your address so he can pick it up and replace it
[13:40:40] <teamy> can it be done today? haha this is actually for a project that is due on Tuesday so i am getting 2 rush shipped from digikey
[13:41:07] <jkridner|work> what are you trying to do to me!
[13:41:37] <jkridner|work> teamy: so, splash screen used to work, but doesn't any longer?
[13:42:00] <teamy> no, it just quit yesterday
[13:42:43] <teamy> but the monitor does notice when it turns on because the indicator lights turns from orange to green, but then back to orange
[13:43:25] <jkridner|work> did you already file for the RMA?
[13:43:57] <teamy> not yet, i tried with digikey but they told me they didn't take returns on it
[13:44:13] <jkridner|work> http://beagleboard.org/support/rma
[13:44:39] <teamy> yeah thats where they pointed me
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[13:46:37] <koen> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/
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[13:54:15] <s0likka> http://www.systemation-inc.com/manuals/ADP-103Manual.pdf Well this should work =)
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[13:58:25] <recalcati> morning
[13:58:31] <s0likka> hey
[13:59:14] <recalcati> teamy: do "fbset" on the console
[13:59:18] <recalcati> please
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[14:04:14] <recalcati> hi all, I have revB7, I can I get the manual? I see the latest manual covers revC2.2. I don't see it in http://beagleboard.org/resources page
[14:04:49] <eFfeM> koen, thanks for bringing that wordcount to my attention
[14:05:05] <eFfeM> next time i'll make sure to use dutch swear words only :-)
[14:06:05] <hrw> recalcati: it is there somewhere
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[14:06:33] <hrw> recalcati: http://www.beagleboard.org/uploads/BBSRM_6.pdf is last for Bx
[14:06:37] <hrw> iirc
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[14:07:00] <s0likka> Well i'm goin to have some project with BB
[14:08:18] <s0likka> Goal: Build an working 8.9" mini arm laptop with with Wlan, Ethernet, builtin keyboard and touchscreen
[14:08:36] <koen> like the touchbook?
[14:08:53] <koen> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
[14:09:16] <hrw> that reminds me..
[14:09:16] <s0likka> maybe =)
[14:09:21] <hrw> I forgot to preorder
[14:10:04] <koen> more arm laptops == more better
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[14:10:15] * mru can't preorder from the uk :-(
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[14:11:16] <koen> "powerfull enough to guide a cruisemissile"
[14:11:39] <s0likka> yep =)
[14:11:44] <recalcati> hrw: I've seen, but I have rev B7
[14:12:11] <hrw> recalcati: I also have B7 and would like to get B7 manual but looks like it does not exists
[14:12:27] <koen> isn't b7 just b6 with ES3.x cpu?
[14:12:51] <recalcati> so I can look at revB6 manual ?
[14:13:13] <adj> you can also use C2 manual, it has differencies listed there
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[14:13:22] <koen> right
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[14:13:48] <koen> if you don't need the expansion port all beagles are practically the same from a software POV
[14:13:53] <recalcati> adj: if you look at page 17 it is not the thing to do
[14:14:24] <recalcati> I'm back in two minutes
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[14:16:16] <recalcati_bb> morning again
[14:16:57] <recalcati_bb> so revB6 manual fits well revB7 board ? (with changed cpu only)
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[14:18:00] <s0likka> Good thing that 90x EeePCs lcds are pretty cheap, aroud 60-80$ :]
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[14:18:52] <koen> damn, we really need to get EDID parsing working with DSS2 :)
[14:18:55] <s0likka> 8.9" and 1024x600px, big enought for surfing and text friting
[14:19:02] <koen> (forward port tombas patch)
[14:19:17] <hrw> koen: in 2.6.29?
[14:20:02] <recalcati_bb> koen: yes.
[14:20:15] <koen> hrw: that would proably the way that wasts the least amount of time
[14:20:34] <recalcati_bb> The graphic chipset is able to read EDID ?
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[14:21:28] <hrw> recalcati_bb: edid is i??c
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[14:21:56] <hrw> koen: I would have to test 2.6.29 finally. now I have two lcds which works fine with 2.6.28
[14:22:21] <recalcati_bb> maybe I2C EDID arrives directly to CPU?
[14:22:34] <recalcati_bb> hrw: yes, I was looking the connection
[14:22:38] <koen> it's attached to i2c3, yes
[14:23:10] <recalcati_bb> nice and clear. We need to know when hotplug is done, I mean the 5V back from the TV
[14:23:22] <koen> hrw, recalcati_bb: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/bd988bdaa65b7d58
[14:25:08] <hrw> a bit hardcore
[14:25:21] <hrw> beagleboard + fullHD would be
[14:25:25] <recalcati_bb> a starting point
[14:25:34] <hrw> indeed
[14:27:05] <recalcati_bb> so I will try. I'm trying to buy also quantum data 882e with Displayport rx, but I'm not sure to be able to. And I'm receiving JTAG emulator. By now I will compare what my PC read from TV with what I'll read with BB
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[14:27:38] <koen> I suspect to make it work DSS2 needs to be taught about sync polarity
[14:28:08] <eFfeM> recalcati_bb: you haven't looked at the obvious place for the manual:
[14:28:08] <eFfeM> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Manuals_and_resources
[14:28:42] <eFfeM> although I must say the url is somewhat odd: http://beagle.s3.amazonaws.com/BBSRM_7_2_0.pdf
[14:28:50] <recalcati_bb> thx
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[14:29:11] <koen> eFfeM: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
[14:29:17] <recalcati_bb> Manuals are in two places, I thought to have already looked in the right place
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[14:36:49] <recalcati_bb> HPLG in DVI-D is maybe the TV hotplug ? but it seems not connected.
[14:40:03] <recalcati_bb> HTPLG in TFP410 manual. it seems it is the hotplug. anyway I can force an update after having connected a TV
[14:41:05] <mru> hdmi pin 19 is hot-plug detect
[14:41:20] <koen> AIUI tfp410 is connected 'passively'
[14:41:26] <koen> so you can get info back to the cpu
[14:41:29] <koen> (you can read edid)
[14:41:32] <recalcati_bb> maybe a modification can be possible, from pin9 of tfp410 to pin 19 of P10
[14:42:11] <recalcati_bb> and then ... I'm afraid for my TV
[14:42:30] <recalcati_bb> so I do a manual EDID read and timings update
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[14:59:18] <flockinger> hello, does anybody know if it's possible to access the 26MHz Clock for a self build extansion card?
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[15:35:48] <flockinger> seems as nobody knows
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[15:36:12] <mru> the manual should say
[15:38:40] <flockinger> i've already read it, there is only described where the clock is generated and distributed, and there is no connector within
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[15:40:23] <flockinger> but i thaught there might be a pin or something where it can easily be "stolen"
[15:40:44] <mru> check the schematics
[15:41:25] <flockinger> hm, ok i'll do so
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[15:59:21] <AV500> with all the swaer words removed?
[15:59:25] <AV500> with all the swear words removed?
[15:59:43] <mru> hell yeah
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[16:22:19] <bavison> Hi, I've been following the instructions on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian but I can't work out how to change my xorg.conf to enable resolutions other than 640x480. Can anyone help?
[16:23:28] <koen> changing xorg.conf won't work
[16:23:36] <koen> you need to change bootargs in uboot
[16:23:51] <koen> provided your debian kernel has proper display drivers
[16:25:02] <bavison> I see - the reason why I was fiddling with xorg.conf is that changing the video= option in bootargs wasn't having any effect - X only ever seems to come up in 640x480
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[16:26:42] <sakoman> koen: just tried a build from top of tree. I'm getting a gazillion messages of the form: /etc/rcS.d/S98configure: line 16: status_tick: not found
[16:27:04] <sakoman> I assume this is related to the splash screen changes?
[16:27:47] <sakoman> Do I need to change anything in my image bb?
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[16:33:15] <sakoman> koen: ah, reading all the commit messags gives me a clue
[16:36:04] <koen> ah, the script needs to get changed then
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[16:39:37] <sakoman> koen: I get some of these, too: /etc/init.d/rc: line 169: status_position: not found
[16:41:23] <koen> I have a fix for the opkg script I need to try first
[16:43:22] <hrw> bye
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[16:49:33] <koen> sakoman: those messages should be gone now
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[16:55:07] <bavison> How do I know whether my kernel contains display drivers that support resolutions above 640x480? I've been using http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/beagle/lenny/v2.6.28-79d042a-oer17/linux-image-2.6.28-oer17_1.0lenny_armel.deb. Would there be a clue in the accompanying defconfig file perhaps?
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[17:02:20] <sakoman> koen: Thanks, I'l do a test build now
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[17:06:49] <koen> sakoman: I tested with psplash and exquisite, I didn't think of testing with no splash :)
[17:09:29] <sakoman> koen: so it is a good thing I hadn't updated my image file with SPLASH :-)
[17:09:40] <sakoman> wouldn't have found that bug otherwise
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[17:40:24] <Crofton> OK, I really can't do 0603 parts without better tools
[17:40:39] <Crofton> but, I think I have them in place. Not very pretty though
[17:41:22] <emeb> 0603 does take some practice, a magnifier and fine tweezers.
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[17:42:55] <nlewycky> i'm trying to install debian on my beagle, and i get a panic with these messages: http://pastebin.com/m6b7fce9
[17:43:17] <nlewycky> it was suggested yesterday that i remove the bootscript, which i did but that didn't change anything for me
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[17:53:34] <jkridner|work> are you booting from SD card?
[17:53:40] <nlewycky> yes
[17:53:49] <jkridner|work> mtdblockX are sections on the NAND flash.
[17:54:03] <jkridner|work> as far as I know, these are harmless errors.
[17:54:41] <nlewycky> hm, okay. I tried magic-sysrq keys and see no processess running
[17:54:52] <nlewycky> and the USR1 light is off with USR0 blinking; i thought that meant kernel panic
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[18:05:33] <denix> koen: are you still here? :)
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[18:08:28] <koen> denix: yes
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[18:14:08] <xander85> hey all, can anyone help point me a direction to reduce boot time on my BB?
[18:14:23] <xander85> right now it boots up in about 25 secs, but I've read about people getting it down to 10 secs, is this possible?
[18:14:46] <xander85> i want to disable some services/processes at startup, but I'm a newbie and dont know where to start.
[18:14:55] <xander85> Stuff like bluetooth and sound are not required
[18:15:20] <hrw|gone> xander85: add "init=/bin/busybox sh" to bootargs - will be much faster ;D
[18:16:08] <koen> xander85: update-rc.d
[18:16:09] <xander85> im so new, please explain more, where would I add that
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[18:17:10] <xander85> just type "init=/bin/busybox sh" ?
[18:17:35] <xander85> sorry im very new to this. I'm working on a senior design project for my EE degree :)
[18:18:19] <nlewycky> holy crap, you're right! is it booted and running
[18:18:40] <nlewycky> okay, now i just need to find a) an hdmi cable b) how to tell d-i to use the serial console
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[18:21:58] <xander85> ???
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[18:22:22] <nlewycky> xander85: sorry, was talking to jkridner|work
[18:22:56] <xander85> no problem. im just really frustrated trying to figure this stuff out and any help would be VERY appreciated :)
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[18:34:40] * ds2 repeats 1000x to self - do not reply to mails with "RTFM"
[18:35:04] <koen> Road Trip For Me?
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[18:40:42] <sakoman> koen: your script fixes seem to work
[18:41:20] <koen> great!
[18:41:28] * koen secretly tested it himself as well
[18:41:48] <emeb> ds2: you shouldn't say "RTFM", or you shouldn't reply when others say "RTFM" ?
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[18:47:50] <ds2> emeb: I should not say it... it has been very tempting to reply to the list mail
[18:48:26] <koen> ds2: some people read the wrong FM ;)
[18:50:13] <emeb> ds2: been there - just this morning.
[18:50:44] <emeb> esp. annoying when they don't read the info you just sent and still ask n00b questions.
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[18:52:43] <koen> emeb: asking is still better than screwing up and demanding people fix it for you :)
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[18:53:27] <jkridner|work> ds2: I like to put a week or so between my e-mails that are RT(f)M.
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[18:54:04] <jkridner|work> figure some people can be just as tired of the responses as they are of the questions.
[18:54:11] <emeb> koen - yep, but then shouldn't get offended/hurt when the answer is RTFM. Teh intarwebs are a rough neighborhood. :)
[18:54:18] <jkridner|work> overall, I still don't think the noise level is too bad.
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[18:55:03] <koen> I've been working with (embedded) linux too long to be able to think like a newbie
[18:55:18] <emeb> jkridner|work: good idea - let them wait for the answer and maybe that'll spur some self sufficiency.
[18:55:28] <koen> I guess the TI people have a similar feeling when I ask DSP questions :)
[18:55:28] <emeb> works when you're not depending on them for something.
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[19:11:06] <ds2> maybe it is just me but there seems to be a lot of demand for free spoon feeding
[19:11:33] <koen> ds2: instead of RTFM you can say "I can send you my rate card"
[19:16:08] <emeb> koen: there's a guy on comp.dsp who does that often. He's in a lot of killfiles.
[19:16:34] <koen> it can backfire
[19:16:55] <koen> people with english as nth language might not know what a rate card is
[19:18:23] <ds> the web site makes it sound like IRC is "free commercial support" instead of "free community support". Especially with the web/irc gateway
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[19:18:25] <ds2> even inside companies, this happens
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[19:22:02] <djlewis> Hi guys, I would like to inject a thought from a newbie point of view.
[19:22:36] <djlewis> I too think newbies should do their homework before asking questions to well published answers.
[19:23:00] <djlewis> The docs sites clearly state this and obviously it is ignored.
[19:23:03] <koen> well, at least google their question :)
[19:23:09] <djlewis> sure.
[19:23:26] <koen> you'd be suprised how many people fail at that
[19:23:33] <djlewis> I got my system all the way up into angstrom by simply following the docs already written.
[19:23:55] <mru> the only medicin is to refuse to answer any FAQs directly
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[19:24:23] <djlewis> The information is there. perhaps a standard redirect to reading materials rather than a straight out answer to known well published answers.
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[19:25:34] <mru> exactly
[19:25:54] <ds2> ``RTFM'' is a redirection :D
[19:25:59] <djlewis> I am thinking this irc channel is for support as well as your collaborative production energies but within reason.
[19:26:05] <ds2> not the most gentle one, but...
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[19:26:26] <djlewis> support within reason that is.
[19:26:32] <koen> this channel is for bitching at compilers and MUSB bugs
[19:26:41] <ds2> heheh
[19:26:55] <koen> I *still* need to build 2009q1
[19:27:06] <mru> yeah, me too
[19:27:07] <djlewis> I think I see a lot of students hoping for the quick answer to their assigned projects.
[19:27:20] <mru> I've run out of compiler bugs
[19:27:27] <djlewis> I for one dont think the quick answer should come for those.
[19:28:28] <djlewis> I'll shut up on it after I say, You guys are doing a great job and for a FREE project at that.
[19:28:40] <emeb> djlewis: homework questions are a major a major beef on usenet - comp.dsp is particulary sensitive to that. One might say overly so.
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[19:28:56] <ds2> emeb: as much as the comp.lang.c folks?
[19:29:09] <emeb> ds2: dunno - don't hang out there.
[19:29:14] <ds2> ah
[19:29:35] <djlewis> I am on several embedded yahoo lists and I always redirect the obvious questions to literature.
[19:29:52] <emeb> teach a man to fish...
[19:29:58] <djlewis> :)
[19:30:34] <koen> give a man fire and he's warm for a day, set a man on fire an he's warm for the rest of his life
[19:30:39] <emeb> flip side is "Give a man a match & keep him warm for a minute, set him on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life." :P
[19:30:48] <emeb> Jinx!
[19:31:10] <emeb> sick minds...
[19:32:27] <djlewis> i'll stick with the fish'n pole
[19:32:48] <emeb> a lot less screaming...
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[19:33:58] <ds2> now if you used a club...
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[21:06:19] <mib_l4p9l6> all, how do I delete the two partitions of an sdcard to start from scratch?
[21:07:41] <mib_l4p9l6> I did sudo fdisk /dev/sdd and typed d -- 1 and d -- 2 but afterwards it gives me another command prompt and I typed "w" and it says unable to write /dev/sdd
[21:08:29] <srikanr> folks - has anyone seen this error while doing a bitbake on the angstrom in oe? mkimage: Can't map arch/arm/boot/uImage: No such device
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[21:08:55] <koen> mru: nice to see that other people are now adding neon to ffmpeg :)
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[21:10:07] <mru> yeah, david is doing some vc1 optimisations
[21:11:16] <koen> someone killed the bootrom on his beagle
[21:11:25] <koen> that, or he doesn't understand what 'bricked' means
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[21:12:09] <mru> my bets are on the latter
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[21:14:15] <mru> it's insane
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[21:16:37] <as_leep> mib_l4p9l6, tried a dd to the media?
[21:18:34] <mib_l4p9l6> dd?
[21:18:45] <as_leep> Raw disk copy.
[21:19:57] <mib_l4p9l6> no...I have a ext3 and fat32 partitions on my sdcard....I was trying to remove them so I could increase the space that windows would see (essentially remove the ext3 partition and make it all fat32)
[21:19:57] <as_leep> dd i=/dev/zero o=/dev/somethingyouwanttoblat bs=1M count=10
[21:20:07] <as_leep> For example, if I have the syntax right.
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[21:20:51] <as_leep> I'm not sure if a windows formatted card has a partition table.
[21:21:17] <as_leep> When you say windows would see, did it see the fat32 partition?
[21:21:31] <mib_l4p9l6> yup
[21:21:46] <as_leep> That is odd, you sure you have an ext partition as well?
[21:21:59] <mib_l4p9l6> it cannot see ext3 however, hence the reason I need to delete it
[21:22:10] <mib_l4p9l6> positive
[21:22:27] <as_leep> I was using a card with fat32 and ext3 and XP would not even show the fat32 partition.
[21:22:34] <mib_l4p9l6> I have 64MB fat32 and rest is ext3 (my sdcard is 2GB)
[21:22:48] <as_leep> Some sort of restriction on removable media not having multiple partitions.
[21:23:54] <as_leep> What windows are you running and did you modify the drivers at all?
[21:24:14] <as_leep> USB SD reader?
[21:24:40] <mib_l4p9l6> maybe you didnt format it correctly as fat32? I used ??? sudo mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n boot /dev/sdd1
[21:25:03] <mib_l4p9l6> some cheap card reader called "vantec"
[21:25:13] <as_leep> I followed the method in the wiki.
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[21:25:25] <mib_l4p9l6> no driver mods in windows...XP
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[21:27:26] <as_leep> Tried dd yet?
[21:27:32] <mib_l4p9l6> So when I plugit into XP it sees only 64 MB although I very well know my card is a 2GB
[21:27:58] <mib_l4p9l6> sorry...I dont understand what that command does....trying to read the man page on it now.
[21:28:17] <as_leep> Its just copies raw data from one device to another.
[21:28:50] <as_leep> So if you do it between hard disks you get an identicle copy, every byte on the media.
[21:29:27] <as_leep> Or you can overwrite important structures with zeros, or random data.
[21:29:46] <as_leep> Checked your card doesn't have write protect enabled btw?
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[21:30:17] <mib_l4p9l6> well...I dont see how that will help me...I need to use my sdcard to be used on a winmobile device....so need to somehow figure out how to remove the ext3 part or else my data will not fit in to 64MB.
[21:30:31] <mib_l4p9l6> yeah...first thing I checked was that
[21:31:16] <as_leep> The existance of the partitions is the first thing on the media, if you write that your partition table goes away.
[21:32:01] <mib_l4p9l6> oh...I see what you mean...I will try that...thanks
[21:32:29] <as_leep> Dont dd to the partition remeber, do it to the raw media.
[21:33:28] <mib_l4p9l6> thanks...need to run..will try in a bit later.
[21:33:33] <djlewis> Since he is talking XP why not use the Windows tool mentioned in the Howto's to setup the card?
[21:34:11] <as_leep> That could work, the tool doesn't work with my reader.
[21:34:41] <mib_l4p9l6> I havent seen any windows tools....that would be great if I can get such a windows tool to remove a linux partition....can you please forward....I'm a linux newbie.
[21:35:04] <as_leep> Its in the beagle manual I think.
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[21:36:36] <solar> some time ago there was a driver for windows to be able to mount and work with ext2
[21:39:13] <as_leep> If you can get windows to reconise the partitions then ext2/3 isn't a problem.
[21:39:51] <as_leep> The issue I hit was that windows refuses to deal with removable media with more than one partition.
[21:41:58] <geckosenator> it does?
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[21:42:20] <geckosenator> that's funny
[21:42:31] <ds2> the solution is to never ever use windows. =)
[21:42:49] <mru> works for me
[21:43:04] <ds2> think of all the BB boards and accessories you can buy by not having to pay for antivirus software
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[21:44:20] <as_leep> I found a lot of hacks for the problem, most of which seem to involve making windows think the SD card is actually a hitachi USB hard disk, then windows happily deals with partitions.
[21:44:41] <as_leep> Unfortunatly, my SD reader isn't USB so that method fails miserably with my system.
[21:45:06] <ds2> eh?
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[21:45:21] <ds2> windows should do okay with an internal reader for multipartitioned SD cards
[21:46:06] <djlewis> I may have to plug my usb reader into a winders box and see.
[21:47:23] <as_leep> It isn't with my reader, it seems to be the removable media driver thats the issue and not the SD reader driver.
[21:47:38] <ds2> the other thing to look for is that HP tool
[21:47:43] <ds2> it may be able to do a full wipe
[21:47:54] <as_leep> Which also only works on USB readers.
[21:48:09] <as_leep> Might work for him, but he's left already.
[21:49:00] <as_leep> I tried reformatting mine with windows and u-boot won't even touch the SD now.
[21:49:16] <as_leep> Though X-Loader will happly load u-boot off it.
[21:49:25] <Ragha> i have this questions, does u-boot supports DNS?
[21:50:10] <as_leep> Lacking an internal ethernet port, shouldn't have thought so.
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[21:51:11] <as_leep> What's the problem Ragha?
[21:51:33] <ds2> No, U-boot in general does not support DNS
[21:51:38] <Ragha> I have nfs server which IP changes everyday
[21:52:14] <as_leep> What do you want to do to it with u-boot?
[21:52:17] <ds2> but more critically, using U-boot on the beagle with DNS can be a little bit of a challenge unless you just happen to be one of the many that are adeveloping a network connection for U-boot on the beagle
[21:53:24] <as_leep> u-boot is only the bootloader.
[21:54:08] <Ragha> okie, will use MMC for FS
[21:54:46] <ds2> for rootfs, why not use bootp or dhcp?
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[21:55:08] <ds2> just make sure the bootp/dhcp server is updated daily with the right root nfs server
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[22:14:31] <ds2> a bit OT - is there any reason why the DM355 would not be able to play back (with its accelerators) arbitrary MJPEG files that have not been encoded on the 355?
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[22:15:22] <koen> ds2: float vs int encoding?
[22:15:54] <ds2> koen: didn't know it is possible to have float encoding with a MJPEG....it is just a stack of JPEG's with a funny header
[22:16:08] <koen> you can encode the jpegs funny
[22:16:17] <ds2> I see.
[22:16:46] <ds2> the userland reference jpeg library seems to be able to handle all the variations well
[22:16:48] <koen> fired up the gimp and save as jpg and have a look at the dialog
[22:18:13] <ds2> gimp uses libjpeg, AFAIK...guess I was expecting the 355 to handle everything libjpeg would
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[22:19:23] <ds2> back to reading datasheets
[22:20:51] <ds> it's probably main profile only
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[22:21:44] <ds> perhaps with progressive decoding
[22:21:49] <ds2> Hmmm
[22:22:02] <ds2> I wonder if the hardware can be coaxed into accepting image data from the ARM then
[22:22:23] <ds2> so the ARM sw decodes things and the hw re-encodes it so it can be saved out for latter playback
[22:22:50] <ds2> in some ways, the 355 might nice a nicer carputer then the beagle
[22:23:06] <koen> ds2: you have a leopardboard?
[22:23:17] <ds2> koen: no, I would like to get involved
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[22:23:49] <koen> the leopardboard project seems to have stalled
[22:23:56] <koen> make people are on holiday
[22:24:19] <ds2> koen: I like doing travel by car and I wanted a carputer to let me record more of my trips
[22:24:19] <koen> or still recovering for the shock of finding out that people are calling 2.6.10MV crappy and old
[22:25:32] <ds2> so a board that can give me video clips on command would be nice...had toyed with the idea of the beagle doing it but I am wasting so much resourcings using a USB camera and software encoding
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[22:28:12] <djlewis> arrgh! usb cameras
[22:28:38] <ds2> djlewis: actually, I did get some of them to work with a RevB beagle
[22:28:56] <djlewis> yep, like all mine are working in Ubuntu.
[22:29:20] <djlewis> I want to use these little round ones to servo together like eyes on my bot.
[22:29:42] <ds2> djlewis: I did encounter some of the problems you were seeing with the gspca driver but I got lucky with one camera
[22:30:10] <djlewis> The Log 9000 pro is a retacgular camera so is the laptop equiv.
[22:30:20] <djlewis> rectangular...
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[22:30:34] <ds2> what I wind up using was actually gphoto
[22:30:59] <djlewis> ds2: gsphoto still has to go thru gspca?
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[22:31:33] <ds2> djlewis: nope. gphoto uses libusb
[22:31:57] <ds2> djlewis: the whole laser pointer/picodlp thing I did was using gphoto
[22:32:04] <djlewis> I tried mplayer, vidcat and webcam to no avail as they all use gspca.
[22:32:31] <djlewis> ds2: I like that demo. pretty cool.
[22:33:22] <ds2> djlewis: I have had some lucking using svv
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[22:33:36] <djlewis> ds2: I am after as many fps as I can get hopefull with two cameras at 320x240 or 640x480 res.
[22:33:52] <ds2> but that blew up when I added the video processing...which suggests there is something timing sensitive that is broq with either gspca or iso handling
[22:34:23] <ds2> djlewis: I am not sure you can get decent results with 2 cameras... not sure how well the MUSB block will work with 2 live ISO ep's :(
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[22:34:56] <djlewis> well how about two BB's then spi'd together?
[22:35:25] <ds2> that might work
[22:36:02] <ds2> the ISO resources on the musb is a bit primative... donno how much better is the EHCI block
[22:36:19] <djlewis> ds2: I steered clear of srv because of limited memory.
[22:36:45] <ds2> srv?
[22:36:57] <djlewis> surveyor srv-1 and stereo
[22:37:09] <ds2> ah
[22:37:34] <djlewis> Not the robot chassis, just the proc and video.
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[22:48:35] <koen> FFS
[22:48:47] <koen> someone is asking how to change video resolution on the mailinglist
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[22:49:23] <ds2> surely, you MUST be taking about the BSD filesystem, FFS...
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[22:54:23] <koen> I remember a logfs presentation where Joern asked if someone knew why it's called FastFileSystem when it's actually slow
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[23:09:32] <mib_18fnxm> from where can we get xloader and u-boot sources for omap based boards
[23:11:02] <ds2> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
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[23:11:55] <mib_18fnxm> we have 3 boards with us beagle, evm and sdp, we would like to use the same source base
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[23:13:25] <ds2> try the sakoman git tree, I doubt that handles SDP unless you want to donate a SDP for someone to add SDP support (or add it yourself and push it back)
[23:14:34] <mib_18fnxm> yeah sure, thanks
[23:18:44] <mib_18fnxm> ds2: i dont find x-laoder sources in there, are you referring to http://github.com/sakoman ?
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[23:19:34] <Animule> i like ducks :)
[23:20:08] <mib_18fnxm> sitting duck? ;-)
[23:20:13] <emeb> tasty duck?
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[23:20:36] <emeb> duck l'orange?
[23:23:59] <ds2> I think this one... (someone correct me if I got the wrong repo) -
[23:24:00] <ds2> git://gitorious.org/u-boot-omap3/mainline.git
[23:24:26] <ds2> oops
[23:24:30] <ds2> nevermind, that is the wrong one
[23:24:33] <ds2> http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot-omap3.git;a=summary
[23:24:36] <ds2> try that instead
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[23:53:01] <mib_18fnxm> ds2: i use that x-laoder and u-boot on evm and i get the message: http://pastebin.ca/1395403
[23:56:07] <ds2> that looks like a kernel dump
[23:56:53] <ds2> if you need someone to debug a board besides the beagle...
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[23:58:49] <mib_18fnxm_> any one knows why we get this error on evm with sakomans u-boot sources http://pastebin.ca/1395403
[23:59:12] <ds2> fix your kernel
[23:59:54] <ds2> if you want someone else to debug your kernel...
[23:59:59] <mib_18fnxm_> what could be the problem i use 2.6.28