• [00:01:16] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: i'm using 2.6.27-omap1 from the omapzoom.org.
  • [00:01:17] <bazbell> stellag: The beagleboard schematics illustrate on sheet 8 the use of a voltage translation device to go from the OMAP3 1.8V I/O to 3.3V for the UART3 which ultimately is used for the console port on header P9 (after furthermore going through an RS-232 transceiver device). This would give you an example to work with.
  • [00:01:46] <stelleg> thanks bazbell I'll check that out
  • [00:02:20] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: made some modifications to make it work with the beagleboard. Everything works except the usb otg interface that disconnects and reconnects randomly over time
  • [00:02:42] <ds2> bazbell: that is overkill
  • [00:03:17] <ds2> stelleg: passive pull ups is slow but a low value resistor should be able to keep up... I had mine working fine at 19200 and I think I was using either 4K or 10K pullups
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  • [00:03:44] <ds2> mib_2vsl1v: donno... that kernel on omapzoom is pretty crummy
  • [00:03:53] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: i read from the beagleboard forums that someone had the same issue with it. But was somehow resolved in some version not specified in the message. I'm trying to locate that patch and apply it to my kernel. but not sure what that is
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  • [00:04:45] <stelleg> ds2: yeah, any idea the maximum baud for uart?
  • [00:04:56] <ds2> mib_2vsl1v: I'd much rather use the l-o kernel instead
  • [00:05:05] <ds2> stelleg: around 900K :)
  • [00:05:22] <stelleg> ds2: whoa
  • [00:05:32] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: yea.. but thats the kernel that is released with wireless TI's L25.x sw release and i need the dsp bridge =(.
  • [00:05:48] <ds2> there is patches for the DSP stuff in the L-O kernel
  • [00:05:59] <ds2> stelleg: it is used as a BT interface at that speed
  • [00:06:04] <stelleg> has anyone gotten rt kernels working?
  • [00:06:08] <stelleg> ds2: no kidding
  • [00:06:26] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: which one is the l-o kernel? does the usb otg host mode work on that?
  • [00:06:50] <ds2> stelleg: yes, RT kernel work on the OMAP; the one I tried is not a public tree though
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  • [00:09:04] <stelleg> ds2: sweet, thanks a lot dude, I think I'm gonna go ahead and bite the bullet then
  • [00:10:39] <stelleg> ds2: you think it would be hard to get current omap kernel working with RT enabled?
  • [00:11:03] <ds2> stelleg: could be... debugging spinlocks suck
  • [00:11:50] <stelleg> ds2: bummer, I have no experience debugging rt kernels
  • [00:12:00] <GregorR> Debugging locks counts, regardless of what type of locks.
  • [00:14:12] <stelleg> ds2: thanks a lot dude, I appreciate the help
  • [00:14:21] <stelleg> bazbell: you too, thanks
  • [00:14:25] <ds2> np
  • [00:22:27] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: do you know if the linux-omap tree have any usb otg host issues? thinking if i should diff the two and merge in any musb changes
  • [00:23:58] <ds2> there are definitely issues
  • [00:24:04] <ds2> always issues everywhere
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  • [00:25:28] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: ... thats not good >.<
  • [00:25:29] <GregorR_> Sweet, this USB hub + ethernet adapter I found crashes my host system instantly if I plug it in 8-D
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  • [00:26:24] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: why is it so hard to have a kernel that works -_- oh well
  • [00:27:22] <ds2> cuz you want it for free
  • [00:27:36] <ds2> I can build you a kernel with it working but then you have to pay for the time
  • [00:27:57] <ds2> you can either pay with time or with cash. can't get anything for free
  • [00:29:01] <mib_2vsl1v> ds2: true true... going to download the linux-omap branch to try. see if musb works.. if it does prob going to just bug the TI guys to fix it on the omap branch
  • [00:29:11] <russ> dumb looks are always free here
  • [00:29:31] <ds2> giving them or receiving them? ;)
  • [00:29:31] <GregorR> How is it that I get a different USB error every time I try :P
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  • [00:29:43] <russ> mib_2vsl1v: there are a bunch of musb patches on the linux-usb list
  • [00:29:44] <ds2> cuz one may costing you a good smacking ;)
  • [00:30:55] <mib_2vsl1v> russ: really? i should check those out. thanks
  • [00:32:14] <GregorR> There's something very cathartic about watching the Angstrom boot logo :P
  • [00:32:39] <ds2> disturbing is more like it
  • [00:32:51] <ds2> regular kernel boot messages are much better
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  • [00:33:19] <GregorR> I have the regular boot messages, just not via S-Video.
  • [00:34:11] <ds2> it is like windows with their color/brightness thing on the bottom... plain irritating. had it been printing out status of what it is doing....
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  • [00:38:03] <GregorR> hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
  • [00:38:12] <GregorR> That's a weird one.
  • [00:38:29] <ds2> self powered hub?
  • [00:40:31] <GregorR> Yeah, the very same one that reliably crashes my host system, making it an extremely bad test, but it's the only powered hub I've got :P
  • [00:42:02] <djlewis> GregorR I'll give it to you for persistance
  • [00:42:20] <GregorR> Hah
  • [00:42:26] <GregorR> I have a new one incoming :P
  • [00:42:41] <djlewis> credit, that is, not my hub :D
  • [00:42:56] <djlewis> cool
  • [00:43:13] <djlewis> i belive the chip in my cheapy wally world hub is NEC
  • [00:44:39] <djlewis> well i been gone all day and my little Beagles heart is still beating
  • [00:45:13] <GregorR> That's a disturbing way to put a very mundane fact :P
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  • [00:47:13] <djlewis> well, the little green led has that heartbeat thing going on. So I kinda judge Beagles healty by that first on.
  • [00:48:22] <djlewis> It should be a red LED
  • [00:49:22] <GregorR> It should be an actual beating heart.
  • [00:49:29] <GregorR> That would be creepy enough.
  • [00:51:29] <djlewis> Trying to build another boot from ready sources.
  • [00:52:11] <djlewis> hoping to find one that works with my webcams.
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  • [00:54:14] <GregorR> djlewis: It bothers me a bit that your problems are all problems you can only have without my problems :P
  • [00:55:48] <GregorR> djlewis: I forget, how are you powering your beagle?
  • [00:55:55] <GregorR> (With dog food haw haw)
  • [00:56:13] <djlewis> yep man, I am sure you are ready to move on to those USB peripherials by now.
  • [00:57:06] <djlewis> I have three canines, 2 at 100 lbs and one at 50 lbs so lots of dog food gets consumed here.
  • [00:57:31] <ds2> do you buy them by the pallet?
  • [00:57:40] <djlewis> the dogs ;)
  • [00:58:12] <GregorR> djlewis: I actually intended the question as a question, aside from the bad joke :P
  • [00:59:41] <djlewis> Oh,, my bad, I am using a old USB2 self powered hub just to power the Beagle in OTG
  • [00:59:59] <djlewis> Later it will be battery power.
  • [01:00:08] <ds2> battery power it now
  • [01:00:11] <ds2> it is easy enough to do
  • [01:00:28] <djlewis> Not ready, gotta get my webcams working first.
  • [01:00:44] <ds2> RevC or RevB?
  • [01:00:56] <djlewis> I am working toward visual recognition with robotics.
  • [01:01:02] <djlewis> RevC2.2
  • [01:01:14] <ds2> the EHCI port should just work with the webcams
  • [01:01:46] <djlewis> Well it does and it dont.. all is well there and they are seen by software, just cant get video
  • [01:02:01] <ds2> ah
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  • [01:04:26] <GregorR> I can't even make the EHCI port "just work" with a hub >_<
  • [01:04:55] <GregorR> And in fact, I'm presently powering it with an old USB2 self powered hub, just used to power the Beagle via OTG ... looks familiar :P
  • [01:05:25] <djlewis> Oh yeah...
  • [01:06:06] <djlewis> and you are running the angstrom 2.6.28-r17?
  • [01:06:18] <ds2> GregorR: would you like to try a kernel that I believe works?
  • [01:06:45] <GregorR> djlewis, ds2: I'm using 2.6.29, latest build from OE git as of <recent time>
  • [01:07:06] <GregorR> ds2: Shore, can't hurt (well, probably ... Idonno, it may be possible to make a kernel that just overheats the beagle and makes it burn up)
  • [01:07:08] <djlewis> They fixed a lot of EHCI in that one.
  • [01:07:15] <ds2> let me find it
  • [01:07:54] <djlewis> GregorR are you having to GIT is?
  • [01:08:00] <djlewis> GregorR are you having to GIT it?
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  • [01:09:48] <GregorR> djlewis: I'm having to let OE git it :P
  • [01:10:08] <GregorR> I need the latestish DSS2 for some S-Video changes.
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  • [01:11:51] <djlewis> man, your tongues gonna dry out.
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  • [01:22:42] * djlewis 's Beagle going down for restart.
  • [01:23:37] <djlewis> Oh, it's little heartbeat has stopped
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  • [01:24:11] <GregorR> D-8
  • [01:24:18] <GregorR> Arooooooooooo
  • [01:25:49] <djlewis> It may be booting the kernel
  • [01:26:14] <djlewis> GregorR you do need a good working HUB
  • [01:26:29] <GregorR> I have a good working HUB.
  • [01:26:36] <GregorR> Or at least, it's served me well in all other purposes.
  • [01:26:54] <GregorR> Oh wait, are you referring to the one it's plugged in to, or the one plugged in to it? >_>
  • [01:27:18] <djlewis> i'm mixing James kernel with ang 2.6.27-r12 uimages
  • [01:28:06] <djlewis> its configuring modules
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  • [01:30:43] <n6pfk> I want to write a standalone program independent of u-boot. I need an assembly language serial driver. Does anybody have one?
  • [01:31:06] <djlewis> darn setup config for user doesnt show selectable options
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  • [01:31:50] <ds2> gcc -S the kernel one? :D
  • [01:32:11] <ds2> translate an x86 one? the UARTs on the Beagle appear as a 16550
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  • [01:33:34] <djlewis> no IP, joy!
  • [01:33:41] <GregorR> ds2: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
  • [01:33:43] <GregorR> That looks familiar.
  • [01:33:54] <djlewis> smart arse
  • [01:34:16] <ds2> GregorR: what device is it?
  • [01:34:41] <djlewis> Oh i overlooked the to whom part..
  • [01:34:44] <GregorR> USB hub, no peripherals attached to it.
  • [01:34:50] <ds2> and is your hub USB 2.0?
  • [01:34:55] <GregorR> Yes.
  • [01:34:59] <GregorR> Verified on my desktop.
  • [01:35:05] <GregorR> It's high-speed USB 2.0
  • [01:35:21] <ds2> that kernel I am pretty sure works on the beagle
  • [01:35:29] <GregorR> It certainly works :P
  • [01:35:42] <ds2> either that or both I and the 100 or so attendees at ESC were all hallucenating :D
  • [01:35:47] <djlewis> went back to my Linksys WUSB54G and all is well
  • [01:35:55] <ds2> this is on the EHCI port that I know it work
  • [01:36:10] <GregorR> OK.
  • [01:36:15] <GregorR> So something else in my setup is wonko.
  • [01:36:27] <ds2> either you have a bum board or your hub is broq
  • [01:36:38] <GregorR> My hub works, verified on the desktop.
  • [01:36:43] <ds2> and if you want to double verify -- make a copy of the SD card from ESC
  • [01:37:15] <djlewis> what if you unplug it and back in with it?
  • [01:37:18] <GregorR> Is it possible that a different version of u-boot could cause different behavior?
  • [01:37:20] <GregorR> djlewis: Nadqa.
  • [01:37:21] <GregorR> *Nada
  • [01:37:24] <ds2> Oh yes
  • [01:37:40] <ds2> I assume you are using the U-boot on the RevC validation page?
  • [01:37:52] <GregorR> I'm using the u-boot on the Rev C :P
  • [01:38:09] <ds2> try the validation page U-boot
  • [01:38:19] <ds2> I donno what the factory ships with as mine was preproduction
  • [01:38:32] <GregorR> Could you give me a URL of that?
  • [01:39:16] <GregorR> Never mind, found it.
  • [01:39:41] <ds2> the URL says RevC on it right?
  • [01:40:29] <GregorR> Yes
  • [01:40:36] <GregorR> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [01:40:51] <djlewis> I am using http://widget.mibbit.com/url/7To8nH
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  • [01:59:51] <GregorR> hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 <-- boy this is getting tiresome X_X
  • [02:04:41] <aLamkin> has anyone on here gotten SPI3 to work on the expansion header using Mr Balister's patch?
  • [02:07:59] <ds2> GregorR: put a USB analyzer on it?
  • [02:08:08] <ds2> or maybe it is a not fully compliant hub
  • [02:08:39] <GregorR> It's compliant enough for my desktop :P (Also, other devices cause this, I'm just testing with the hub because it has low power needs with nothing plugged in to it)
  • [02:09:00] <djlewis> the package mine came in cleary stated EHCI compliant
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  • [02:15:12] <GregorR> What the heck? I'm testing the RevC validation stuff, and I get Wrong image format for autoscript
  • [02:15:54] <djlewis> After I get past this dumb conf screen I will try my old hub
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  • [02:21:31] <GregorR> OK, I'm convinced, something is wrong with my board :(
  • [02:22:33] <ds2> looking at it I am pretty sure the kernel you got from me is the ESC one which definitely worked
  • [02:22:39] <ds2> and a hub was involved at ESC
  • [02:23:05] <ds2> you could also try the 3-4 kernels that is on the ESC image
  • [02:23:14] <ds2> they are all slightly different
  • [02:25:10] <GregorR> I've tried so many kernels in so many configurations, and not a single one has worked, I really don't think the problem is there >_>
  • [02:25:31] <ds2> I went through all of that before swapping out my board so... :D
  • [02:26:58] <GregorR> Swapping out your board because of what was a real problem, or what turned out to be an incorrect problem? :P
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  • [03:21:49] <djlewis> Why no profile setup options on new install in X
  • [03:21:58] <djlewis> Cant go any further in X
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  • [03:27:58] <emeb_mac> djlewis: what?
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  • [03:40:19] <djlewis> hi emeb_mac, I am trying another kernel and when X starts to setup profile there is no profile to choose and it wont let me go any further.
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  • [03:42:19] <djlewis> emeb_mac, i'm mixing James kernel with ang 2.6.27-r12 uimages
  • [03:43:28] <sakoman_> djlewis: that is a known issue that has been fixed
  • [03:43:48] <sakoman_> if you pull & rebuild the image you should get the fix
  • [03:44:04] <djlewis> hmmm, figures, I was reviewing the IRC and did find reference to it.
  • [03:44:22] <djlewis> Cant pull and rebuild as I am not setup for it.
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  • [03:47:30] <djlewis> sakoman_ what id I opkg upgrade
  • [03:47:44] <djlewis> id = if
  • [03:48:26] <sakoman_> djlewis: don't know if koen updated the feeds or not, so I can't really say
  • [03:48:36] <sakoman_> wouldn't hurt to try
  • [03:49:25] <djlewis> its at 2.6.28-omap1
  • [03:49:50] <sakoman_> I build my own images and repository so I don't have any experience with koen's stuff
  • [03:51:58] <djlewis> I was just hoping to try something that might light up my webcams
  • [03:52:46] <djlewis> nope, upgrade didnt resolve issue
  • [03:53:02] <sakoman_> I've been using a UVC webcam with my images, so I know it can work
  • [03:53:46] <djlewis> according to the package the Logitech is UVC by carrying the Vista logo.
  • [03:54:20] <djlewis> I picked up a couple of Quickcam E1000
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  • [03:54:30] <sakoman_> I made sure to buy one that actually said UVC on the box
  • [03:54:57] <djlewis> what lsmod drivers load for you?
  • [03:55:01] <sakoman_> mine is Creative
  • [03:55:08] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [03:55:34] <sakoman_> Don't recall - I'm just trying a fresh image - I'll let you know after it boots
  • [03:56:46] <djlewis> pwd
  • [03:56:57] <djlewis> oops wrong screen
  • [03:58:23] <GregorR> /home/djlewis/movies/porno
  • [03:58:24] <GregorR> $
  • [03:58:53] <djlewis> what?
  • [03:59:31] <djlewis> how did you get porno movies of me?
  • [03:59:59] <djlewis> were they good?
  • [04:00:00] <GregorR> lol
  • [04:00:21] <GregorR> 4.5 stars!
  • [04:00:31] <djlewis> i want royalties
  • [04:00:38] <GregorR> 4.5 stars out of 10!
  • [04:01:01] <djlewis> well 10 cents on the dollar is still 10 cents
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  • [04:02:14] <djlewis> well I am not going to struggle ( like someone I know) with this image that dont let me in.
  • [04:03:39] <sakoman_> djlewis: where did you get the image?
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  • [04:08:35] <djlewis> i used the umiga from koen's angstrom and kernel from james
  • [04:09:00] <djlewis> uimage
  • [04:10:32] <djlewis> the dd SD card build from the james project wouldnt install MLO, uimage and uimage-xxxx in the msdos part so I used the ones from the angstrom build
  • [04:11:42] <djlewis> wel I just switched SD cards and the kernal is the same. yet I had no problem with the X setup on this one.
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  • [04:12:31] <sakoman_> djlewis: to answer your question on the modules that are loaded:
  • [04:12:33] <sakoman_> http://pastebin.com/m531770d5
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  • [04:13:46] <djlewis> sakoman_ if we are talking what I have tried to get working webcams on, http://widget.mibbit.com/url/7To8nH
  • [04:14:16] <djlewis> 2.6.28-r17
  • [04:16:33] <sakoman_> djlewis: sorry, I don't have any experience with those images, so I really don't know what to suggest
  • [04:17:37] <djlewis> which model Creative have you tested that works?
  • [04:19:36] <sakoman_> djlewis: one moment, I will look it up. the camera isn't marked :-(
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  • [04:21:53] <sakoman_> djlewis: uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device VF0380 Live! Cam Optia Pro (041e:4065)
  • [04:24:39] <djlewis> Is that a non USA model?
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  • [04:26:52] <sakoman_> no, it is US. bought it at Circuit City liquidation sale
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  • [04:32:07] <emeb_mac> Hi - anyone here up on video modes & X11? Got some resolution issues with Angstrom to work out.
  • [04:33:09] <raster> koen: boo! sgx-modules... b0rked
  • [04:33:10] <raster> :)
  • [04:33:16] <raster> sakoman_: boo!
  • [04:34:19] <emeb_mac> so if ping => pong, boo => ???
  • [04:34:38] <sakoman_> raster: boo!
  • [04:35:30] <raster> emeb_mac: eek
  • [04:35:31] <raster> :)
  • [04:35:46] <raster> sakoman_: just a philosophical hw q... gumstix love their modular stuff
  • [04:35:53] <raster> ie plug in shit on daughterboards
  • [04:35:55] <emeb_mac> Hah! That's just what I was thinking!
  • [04:36:04] <raster> with little surface-mount connectors
  • [04:36:05] <raster> all cool
  • [04:36:20] <raster> there seems to be a totalyl religious opposition do doing anything of the sort from some sectors
  • [04:36:21] <raster> why?
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  • [04:37:05] <raster> those opposed cite massive increase in cost, complexity, low yields, lack of expandability (once you define a plugin interface u are stuc with it and how it connects stuff) etc.
  • [04:37:10] <raster> somehow i dont buy all the arguments
  • [04:37:12] <sakoman_> raster: no idea! what sectors are you referring to? will they answer the question?
  • [04:37:17] <raster> i see that it makes things a bit more complex
  • [04:37:41] <raster> ie having to have a physical connector - and these can get dirt in them, come loose etc.
  • [04:37:50] <raster> sure - but the rest i dont buy
  • [04:37:59] <sakoman_> well, cost does go up - but hardly "massively"
  • [04:38:05] <raster> its a small increase in cost for some added flexibility
  • [04:38:12] <sakoman_> right
  • [04:38:24] <emeb_mac> raster: what's the alternative to little SMD connectors?
  • [04:38:25] <sakoman_> depends on your goals I guess
  • [04:38:27] <raster> well harald welte and werner almbserger seem diametrically opposed to any form of modular design
  • [04:38:39] <raster> emeb_mac: everything hardwired onto 1 board
  • [04:38:42] <raster> no modular at all
  • [04:38:44] <raster> "all or nothing"
  • [04:38:46] <emeb_mac> Gah!
  • [04:38:54] <emeb_mac> That usually means "nothing"
  • [04:38:59] <raster> (or simply design new boards with different combos of things on them)
  • [04:39:12] <raster> sakoman_: well something even less ambitious than gumstix.
  • [04:39:25] <raster> sakoman_: simplu break out a similar surfface-modular connector to plug 2g/3g modules on?
  • [04:39:33] <sakoman_> that makes sense for high volume, cost sensitive products
  • [04:39:42] <raster> ie enough to break out internal usb, some power and maky an sdio line or 2
  • [04:39:54] <raster> and maybe some gpio's, i2c's, spi's
  • [04:40:09] <raster> but if u are low volume and u accept u have high costs anyway
  • [04:40:17] <sakoman_> find partners who shre your philosophy
  • [04:40:20] <sakoman_> share
  • [04:40:24] <raster> and if it costs over 10k untis maybe an extra #2/unit to make a modular conenctor...
  • [04:40:29] <raster> i see it as an overall benefit
  • [04:40:30] <sakoman_> life will be more pleasant
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  • [04:40:48] <raster> allows you to replace a part of the board without a full board respit
  • [04:40:55] <raster> just respit a simpler (4 or 2 layer) sub-board
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  • [04:41:10] <raster> to me it makes sense.. but i'm not a hw guy
  • [04:41:17] <raster> i know u've dealt with gumstix for long enough
  • [04:41:50] <raster> to me i say "look.. gumstix do it.. it must be sane! i've seen lots fo teardowns of phones and devices where some thngs are on similar modular sub-boards. they have asandwich-arrangement with simialr surface-connectors"
  • [04:41:54] <sakoman_> I could argue both sides :-)
  • [04:42:00] <raster> its possible
  • [04:42:04] <raster> it does add soem cost
  • [04:42:17] <raster> but it adds flexibility... the q is.. is the cost worth the flexibility imhgo
  • [04:42:24] <sakoman_> It is a religious argument I fear
  • [04:42:29] <raster> the lwoer your volume. the more it justifies itself
  • [04:42:31] <raster> yeah
  • [04:42:33] <raster> thats what i suspected
  • [04:42:43] <raster> its not a fact-based weighing up of give and take
  • [04:42:53] <raster> much like big va little endian
  • [04:42:55] <raster> vs
  • [04:42:56] <raster> :)
  • [04:43:14] <sakoman_> right, hence my suggestion to find partners who share your philosophy
  • [04:43:24] <raster> thats what i just wanted to hear... that its a more subtle religious war than any real "right or wrong"
  • [04:43:28] <raster> heheheh
  • [04:43:33] <raster> have them
  • [04:43:36] <sakoman_> then you can focus on the important stuff rather than religious arguments
  • [04:43:41] <raster> tho its not my philosophy
  • [04:43:43] <raster> i'm agnostic
  • [04:43:51] <raster> i'm on the "whatever works best man!" bench
  • [04:43:52] <raster> :)
  • [04:44:14] <raster> i just thought i'd be a good solution to the "i dont need a 3g modem! its too expensive. i dont want to pay for it" argument
  • [04:44:18] <sakoman_> same here - I would like choose different approaches depending on the product, volume, etc
  • [04:44:22] <raster> ok- sell it with a cheaper 2g module
  • [04:44:30] <raster> have a 3g one for those willing to pay for it
  • [04:44:46] <raster> and it saves pre-producing N products of either type
  • [04:44:47] <sakoman_> right - that is one reason I would choose modular
  • [04:45:09] <raster> you produce "no modem" base then plug in the appropriate module at the final stage (reseller/distributor)
  • [04:45:41] <raster> and it opens up a small little gateway for "build your own custom daugthteboard"
  • [04:45:47] <raster> for "well we want a cmda version" people
  • [04:46:02] <raster> let them build their own cdma daughterboards... if it is worth it
  • [04:46:04] <raster> for example
  • [04:46:14] <raster> or "i want wimax, not 3g"... similar story
  • [04:46:28] <raster> (as long ass you have aerial connectors that are compatible)
  • [04:46:57] <sakoman_> right, and you will need to generalize the module interface
  • [04:47:04] <raster> but i'm just looking at it agnostically going "what's the big deal? isnt' it just a matter of "effort to make it modular vs the benefits?"
  • [04:47:14] <sakoman_> which may or may not add cost/complexity
  • [04:47:17] <raster> u need to actually think ahead a bit on the conector
  • [04:47:19] <raster> sure
  • [04:47:25] <raster> as i saw it
  • [04:47:32] <raster> route any unised iolines to the connector
  • [04:47:35] <raster> unused
  • [04:47:45] <raster> (usb, sdio, i2c, gpio, spi etc.)
  • [04:49:34] <raster> anyway. just wanted to see about the balanced view of things from someone familiar with modular stuff
  • [04:49:38] <raster> as i suspected :)
  • [04:50:10] <GregorR> # cat bMaxPower\2mA
  • [04:50:23] <GregorR> I admire the BeagleBoard's desire to use little power, but I think that's a bit ridiculous ;)
  • [04:50:23] <sakoman_> for portable products you often want to go modular for ID reasons
  • [04:50:50] <raster> so you can break the board up to slit it into different parts of the case?
  • [04:50:57] <sakoman_> it lets you design in 3 dimensions, rather than one flat plane
  • [04:51:02] <raster> yup
  • [04:51:16] <raster> makes sense
  • [04:51:56] <raster> allows you to make little sandwich blobs instead of long wide planes
  • [04:53:40] <sakoman_> sigh . . . some OE checkin broke X input devices :-(
  • [04:53:55] <raster> dude
  • [04:54:02] <raster> oe ch3eckins have broken tonens of stuff
  • [04:54:07] <raster> vala
  • [04:54:13] <raster> sgx modules
  • [04:54:25] <raster> the packages -> recipes move...
  • [04:54:30] <raster> totally screwed my tree
  • [04:55:27] <sakoman_> yup . . . it was a major pain
  • [04:55:47] <emeb_mac> does OE stable/2009 protect from that sort of CF?
  • [04:55:52] <sakoman_> I thought I had worked through it all, but something broke in the last 24 hours :-(
  • [04:57:30] <raster> sakoman_: :(
  • [04:57:41] <raster> i have managed to patch up my local stuff to build
  • [04:57:42] <sakoman_> emeb_mac: I haven't tried stable
  • [04:57:47] <raster> i;m beginign to take koen's idea
  • [04:57:52] <raster> oe is unstable enough
  • [04:57:57] <sakoman_> raster: Here's what I am getting: http://pastebin.com/m68fec23a
  • [04:58:01] <raster> me just committing fixes wont make it LESS stable
  • [04:58:02] <raster> :)
  • [04:58:24] <raster> oooh
  • [04:58:25] <emeb_mac> Just wondering - koen recommended stable the other day
  • [04:58:27] <sakoman_> devices are there in /dev
  • [04:58:28] <raster> hald running?
  • [04:58:42] <raster> this is new stuff in x
  • [04:58:47] <raster> x now RELIES on hal
  • [04:58:56] <raster> doesnt have its own "open device" stuff anymore
  • [04:59:17] <raster> it relies on hal to tell it devices were added or removed
  • [04:59:18] <raster> or exist
  • [04:59:26] <raster> it hal doesnt know... then u are SOL
  • [04:59:26] <sakoman_> no hald isn't running
  • [04:59:32] <raster> thats your problem then
  • [04:59:59] <sakoman_> the question is what broke hald
  • [05:00:14] <raster> hmm
  • [05:00:26] <raster> i built my palmt650 image yesdtareday and it runs
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  • [05:00:57] <sakoman_> I built my overo and beagle images yesterday and they worked too :-)
  • [05:01:07] <raster> so just today?
  • [05:01:11] <sakoman_> so at least I know that it broke in the last 24 hours
  • [05:01:19] <raster> bugger
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  • [05:01:25] <raster> that means digging thru oe commit logs
  • [05:02:12] <raster> the problem could be udev, hald or dbus
  • [05:02:17] <sakoman_> yup
  • [05:02:18] <raster> sone of those is my guess
  • [05:02:23] <raster> that narrows it down
  • [05:02:36] <sakoman_> do you know what starts hald?
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  • [05:04:27] <raster> aaargf
  • [05:05:03] <raster> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=5f00d873c0bfd3df5dfda2894da11d53a1f7becd
  • [05:05:11] <raster> that broke omap sgx
  • [05:05:23] <raster> oh wait
  • [05:05:25] <raster> or is that the fix
  • [05:05:32] <raster> hmm
  • [05:05:39] <raster> i dont see anything that seems to affect hald
  • [05:05:48] <sakoman_> that's the fix - omap3-sgx-modules is building for me
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  • [05:05:59] <sakoman_> I don't either!
  • [05:06:00] <raster> yeah
  • [05:06:01] <raster> its the fix
  • [05:06:05] <raster> break happened earlier
  • [05:06:09] <sakoman_> but both beagle and overo are broken for me
  • [05:06:22] <sakoman_> same issue
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  • [05:07:19] <raster> looks like dbus daemon does
  • [05:07:42] <raster> aah no
  • [05:07:53] <raster> /etc/init.d/dbus-1 runs it
  • [05:08:01] <raster> it scans /etc/dbus-1/event.d/*
  • [05:08:04] <sakoman_> yup
  • [05:08:07] <raster> and runs everything in there in order
  • [05:09:40] <GregorR> Hm, the power supply to my olde USB hub has the right size socket for the beagle, but I don't trust plugging it in because I don't know A) how well regulated it is or B) if it's the same configuration (the adapter is positive on the inside, negative on the outside)
  • [05:12:29] <GregorR> Yup, it's right, and works. OK, with 2.5A max input, it STILL can't run any USB devices. Clearly this board is broken :(
  • [05:14:16] <sakoman_> raster: here is the culprit: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=6f89098a071d8c1cb87c403a7d2f5f7f3ce14f70
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  • [05:15:39] <sakoman_> removing the file koen adds to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ fixes the issue
  • [05:15:47] <raster> sakoman_: eh? bluez?
  • [05:16:03] <sakoman_> he adds a dbus file
  • [05:16:16] <raster> the bluetooth.conf?
  • [05:16:21] <sakoman_> yup
  • [05:16:28] <raster> wtfd
  • [05:16:35] <raster> THAT broke dbus?
  • [05:16:48] <sakoman_> seems to!
  • [05:16:52] <sakoman_> removing it fixes things
  • [05:17:32] <raster> hmm
  • [05:17:38] <raster> different to the conf from before
  • [05:17:47] <ds2> wonder if it is bad form to respond to a 1 word email with 3 leters - "WTF"
  • [05:18:12] <sakoman_> ds2: what was the one word?
  • [05:18:31] <raster> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386815
  • [05:18:34] <raster> thats one that works
  • [05:18:47] <raster> ds2: depends on the context
  • [05:18:48] <raster> :)
  • [05:19:00] <ds2> sakoman: "help"
  • [05:19:11] <sakoman_> heh :-)
  • [05:19:17] <ds2> (yes, I am irked at that recent posting on the BB list)
  • [05:19:31] <sakoman_> I would have expected you to just quote a price!
  • [05:20:31] <sakoman_> raster: where did you get that? your own creation?
  • [05:21:18] <raster> sakoman_: from my working build with a working x
  • [05:21:26] <raster> (of angstrom on my palmt650)
  • [05:21:57] <raster> but if you prefer, you can imagine i just sxcreted it from the pores of my skin while thinking too hard about this :)
  • [05:22:20] <ds2> raster: the 650 port is far enough to do this?
  • [05:22:45] <raster> ds2: yes. for me it pretty much works
  • [05:22:52] <raster> flash not suported - i run off sd. its fast enough
  • [05:22:55] <ds2> raster: does the phone work?
  • [05:22:59] <raster> i havent tried suspend/resume yet...
  • [05:23:09] <raster> the gsm bit is available as a sreial port
  • [05:23:16] <ds2> Oh so it isn't working well enough to use as a daily thing?
  • [05:23:28] <raster> it has been known to make a call (if you open the serial port and utter the right at commands to it)
  • [05:23:35] <ds2> from what I recall, the GSM bit requires some magic sequences. it isn't a plain AT command thing
  • [05:23:35] <raster> oh probably not
  • [05:23:54] <raster> the at commandset is documented
  • [05:24:10] <raster> but modems have their variations for less "minimal functionality' stuff
  • [05:24:15] <raster> like going into low power mode
  • [05:24:33] <raster> what to do when you get unsolicited at messages while handling a ppp stream etc.
  • [05:24:38] <ds2> what's the current webpage for the port?
  • [05:24:57] <ds2> shadowmite's page seems outdated the last I looked
  • [05:25:01] <raster> www.hackndev.org
  • [05:25:14] <raster> thats the "linux on palm stuff" place
  • [05:26:14] <raster> http://hackndev.com/
  • [05:26:18] <raster> to be more specific
  • [05:26:22] <raster> (hackndev.org links to it)
  • [05:30:14] <ds2> nice
  • [05:31:07] <ds2> raster: did you build the serial cable for the 650?
  • [05:31:31] <raster> ds2: hell no! i just use the normal usb data cable that came with it
  • [05:31:39] <raster> kernel brings up usbnet
  • [05:31:42] <raster> thats fine by me
  • [05:32:01] <ds2> so you have no console access then?
  • [05:32:10] <raster> why do i need that? i have ssh access
  • [05:32:11] <raster> :)
  • [05:32:37] <ds2> I guess since you are running off SD, you can't hang yourself too bad
  • [05:33:16] <sakoman_> raster: your bluetooth.conf doesn't crash hald. thanks for the pointer
  • [05:33:36] <ds2> sakoman_: why do you need bluez4?
  • [05:33:43] <raster> ds2: not really :) as long as userspace remains stable enouhg to configure usbnet and run dropbear. i'm home and safe.
  • [05:33:45] <raster> and it is
  • [05:33:50] <raster> sakoman_: :)
  • [05:33:57] <raster> sakoman_: you might want to .. push a patch
  • [05:33:57] <raster> :)
  • [05:34:13] <ds2> raster: I prefer to live in the security of kernel land so different interests
  • [05:34:27] <sakoman_> I will - for the overo branch. I don't have commit access to oe.dev
  • [05:34:39] <sakoman_> (nor do I want it)
  • [05:35:06] <raster> ds2: well then.. you may need to hack up a serial cable
  • [05:35:08] <raster> :)
  • [05:35:14] <sakoman_> ds2: because it is the latest and greatest ;-)
  • [05:35:20] <raster> sakoman_: ok. looks like i'll need to be a-fixin'
  • [05:35:41] <sakoman_> perhaps koen will see this conversation . . .
  • [05:35:46] <ds2> sakoman: hmmm guess my words fell on death years.. interesting...
  • [05:36:33] <sakoman_> ds2: it isn't a question of "want", bluez4 seems to be the default in angstrom now
  • [05:36:42] <ds2> oh
  • [05:36:57] <sakoman_> I'm happy with whatever works
  • [05:36:58] <ds2> i knew tehre was another reason to not like angstrom ;)
  • [05:37:11] <GregorR> ds2: [The phrase is "deaf ears", btw ... I don't want to know what death ears are :P ]
  • [05:37:49] <GregorR> Oh, says "death years" ... I don't want to know what those are either.
  • [05:42:44] <ds2> GregorR: ;)
  • [05:46:17] <raster> bear ears
  • [05:47:51] <ds2> death years => Zombie time ;)
  • [05:49:11] <sakoman_> ds2: here's your way around the 14 - 30 day camping limit
  • [05:49:31] <sakoman_> file a mining claim on BLM land and go out and "work" it
  • [05:49:41] <sakoman_> http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-File-For-An-Unpatented-Mining-Claim-Other-Info_W0QQugidZ10000000004656291
  • [05:49:51] <sakoman_> :-)
  • [05:50:12] <ds2> hahahaah
  • [05:50:26] <ds2> wonder what is locateable there?
  • [05:50:55] <sakoman_> you could spend a year looking for gold for $125
  • [05:51:05] <ds2> wh000p gold
  • [05:51:23] <sakoman_> of course there won't be toilets & showers :-)
  • [05:51:43] <ds2> nice thing about living "out there" is neither are really needed
  • [05:52:22] <ds2> besides, old "mine shafts" work well as a toilet
  • [05:56:29] <sakoman_> raster: looks like koen already fixed the dbus issue
  • [05:57:03] <sakoman_> I pulled & built between the checkin that caused the issue and the one that fixed it
  • [05:57:10] <coreyfro> Anyone getting gentoo working on the BB? I'm crosscompiling alla gentoo and I keeping getting and having to fix "cannot [blah blah blah] when cross compiling".... to the point where I am thinking that there must be someway to turn off these tests. Any clues?
  • [05:57:20] <raster> sakoman_: aaaah
  • [05:57:34] <ds2> coreyfro: there is someone working on that
  • [05:57:55] <ds2> not sure how far along though
  • [05:58:22] <sakoman_> raster: my bad luck - there was a one hour window where it was broken :-(
  • [05:59:28] <raster> :(
  • [05:59:34] <ds2> DOH
  • [05:59:35] <raster> very bad timing
  • [05:59:52] <sakoman_> seems I am good at that :-)
  • [06:00:05] <raster> hehe
  • [06:00:07] <raster> i am too actually
  • [06:00:10] <raster> join the club!
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  • [06:00:43] <coreyfro> ds2 OK, I'll just keep fixing it myself, tehn.... slow going
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  • [06:03:48] <coreyfro> Oh, hang it all, I'm going to build on the damn BB ;-)
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  • [06:17:21] <koen> good morning all
  • [06:17:42] <raster> koen: spanky!
  • [06:17:43] <xndr> mornin
  • [06:19:33] <koen> raster: I see you got unlucky with choosing an OE rev
  • [06:20:59] <raster> pffpfft:(
  • [06:23:44] <ZeZu> anyone have any advice on debugging screwy usb on a very similar device to beagle?
  • [06:24:08] <ZeZu> I'm guessing its hardware = fail really, since usb drivers are pretty built-in
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  • [06:28:29] <AV500> raster: I see openmoko scrapped the smartphone
  • [06:28:39] <fenn> fools!
  • [06:29:17] * ZeZu plans on building one as soon as verizon gets their "open" network to the open status
  • [06:29:46] <ZeZu> where i live i'm pretty much screwed into using verizon or some crapola local service
  • [06:29:53] <ZeZu> or having no coverage in the house at all
  • [06:30:03] <fenn> hmm you sure wouldn't know anything was up by looking at the openmoko website
  • [06:30:17] <AV500> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8568412362.html
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  • [06:31:47] <xndr> that phone is horrible, im sorry to say
  • [06:31:50] <ds2> bah, just do it yourself
  • [06:32:07] <ds2> no need for them
  • [06:32:11] <xndr> my friend has one and it's just plain terrible
  • [06:32:13] <xndr> :P
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  • [06:32:26] <ZeZu> it didn't look too hot tbh
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  • [06:33:01] <ZeZu> i'd rather slap this lcd on my beagle and add some hw
  • [06:33:55] <xndr> yeah. im not sure who's to blame, but the cell service is real bad at all times
  • [06:34:08] <xndr> and we are in new york city
  • [06:34:16] <xndr> so reception should never be an issue
  • [06:34:38] <ZeZu> this pandora is officially junked
  • [06:35:09] <xndr> what? pandora is done? or your particular pandora
  • [06:35:18] <ZeZu> dev board for pandora
  • [06:35:30] <xndr> o i c
  • [06:35:35] <ZeZu> the hardware is finished, pandora is held up by fcc and some details
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  • [06:35:48] <xndr> yeah ive been following it a little
  • [06:35:50] <ZeZu> from what i understand anyhow
  • [06:35:51] <xndr> im kind of psyched to get one if they ever come out
  • [06:36:02] <ZeZu> I'd trade this for a B2 right now
  • [06:36:06] <ZeZu> the usb doesn't work on it
  • [06:36:25] <ZeZu> I know some of the boards had issues, but damn it has two usb ports and neither works
  • [06:37:01] <xndr> yeah thats no good
  • [06:37:08] <xndr> have you seen this thing http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
  • [06:37:28] <ds2> ;2A
  • [06:37:42] <ds2> that's another easy to build thing
  • [06:37:47] <xndr> totally
  • [06:37:56] <ZeZu> hmm
  • [06:38:00] <ZeZu> i haven't
  • [06:38:02] <xndr> but its nice looking
  • [06:38:05] <ZeZu> but i see two things i dont like
  • [06:38:14] <ZeZu> first why microsd ?
  • [06:38:20] <ZeZu> i'm sure it can fit something bigger than that :|
  • [06:38:23] <xndr> yeah thats kind of baffling
  • [06:38:25] <ZeZu> and the resolution is odd
  • [06:38:31] <ZeZu> 1024x600
  • [06:38:47] <xndr> yeah id rather have a regular netbook
  • [06:38:56] <xndr> :P
  • [06:39:02] <ZeZu> plus i'd want cortex-a9 in a netbook
  • [06:39:07] <ZeZu> so omap4
  • [06:39:32] <ZeZu> and some mobile ddr .. can omap3 even handle faster ram ?
  • [06:39:38] <russ> whats a good gerber viewer for the beagle gerbers? gerbv doesn't work so well
  • [06:39:51] <ZeZu> yea i wouldn't mind having that case though :)
  • [06:41:02] <fenn> get ds2 to make you a case :P
  • [06:41:21] <koen> too bad omap4 has only half the dsp as omap3
  • [06:41:32] <ZeZu> really?
  • [06:41:39] <ZeZu> i'm sure there will be more than one version
  • [06:41:46] <ZeZu> now many omap3 revisions are there now ?
  • [06:42:00] <ZeZu> or rather sub archs i should say
  • [06:42:10] <koen> ZeZu: in omap3 there only one kind of DSP (64x with 8 execution units)
  • [06:42:10] <AV500> koen: ???
  • [06:42:22] <koen> omap4 has c64x with 4 execution units
  • [06:42:22] <ZeZu> true
  • [06:42:36] <AV500> but it has other goodies
  • [06:42:43] <ZeZu> well i'd still take it esp. if i can get a much higher clockspeed and multiple cores
  • [06:42:53] <ZeZu> and faster memory would be a huge plus
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  • [06:43:58] <koen> I know someone with access to a9 silicon and he's saying it's faster clock-for-clock than a8
  • [06:44:15] <ZeZu> well i know in quite a few places its going to be
  • [06:44:29] <ZeZu> and the neon stall is gone
  • [06:44:47] <ZeZu> but add that and a 1ghz clock that the cores are already capable of anyhow
  • [06:45:01] <ZeZu> and a few cores
  • [06:45:26] <ZeZu> and faster memory, and i think it'd slaughter something like atom even with a (then) slightly lower clockspeed
  • [06:46:16] <ZeZu> of course it would mean more power, but if the clock can by dynamically adjusted, that wouldn't be an issue
  • [06:47:48] <AV500> koen: I dont mind for the slower DSP in exchange for 1080p decode
  • [06:50:52] <ZeZu> hmm... its that time, i'm out
  • [06:54:08] <koen> AV500: the hardware engines might a nice trade-off
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  • [07:02:31] <AV500> koen: coz I dont see the DSP much used for stuff other than video decode anyway
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  • [07:08:52] <khasim> AV500: I see a need for generic high end DSP in medical segment, where algorithms run to process some realtime data
  • [07:09:08] <khasim> though it is again a video, but the algorithm is different
  • [07:09:23] <AV500> well, there are other chips in the world than omap4 :-)
  • [07:09:36] <AV500> TI makes quite a few
  • [07:09:45] <khasim> yeah, lot of :)
  • [07:10:20] <khasim> at least I think OMAPL (137/138) and Davinci series servers DSP market a lot compared to OMAP
  • [07:10:59] <khasim> the DM355/365 kind of chipsets are more with hardware accelerators..
  • [07:11:57] <ds2> do the DM355 include LCD controllers? (like the DSS on the OMAP)?
  • [07:12:24] <ds2> given the market I would guess they do but...
  • [07:12:29] <khasim> not highend as OMAP, it should be similar to Davinci I believe
  • [07:13:21] <khasim> 355 tech details are here http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm355.html
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  • [07:15:43] <ds2> I really should help with the leopard stuff to learn the 355 chip... look like a better candidate to build a digital TV with
  • [07:17:53] <ds2> has the effort to merge the davinci tree into the L-O gained any traction?
  • [07:18:43] <khasim> I don't know if are doing this...
  • [07:19:00] <ds2> think the davinci maintainer wanted to do that
  • [07:19:33] <AV500> ds2: not sure you want the 355 for digital TV
  • [07:19:50] <khasim> there is also 365 :)
  • [07:20:18] <khasim> I think leopard will also be availabe with 365 not sure now.
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  • [07:21:25] <ds2> AV500: why not?
  • [07:21:35] <AV500> what do you want it to decode?
  • [07:21:58] <ds2> by digital TV - I mean ATSC/DVB USB tuner + LCD panel with the DM355 in the middle
  • [07:22:59] <AV500> but the DM355 will not decode ATSC
  • [07:23:04] <AV500> or DVB
  • [07:23:17] <AV500> it decodes MPEG4, mainly the one that it encoded it self
  • [07:23:18] <ds2> oh... the video stuff is that specific?
  • [07:23:24] <ds2> I see
  • [07:23:33] <AV500> yes, its an arm9 + HW MPEG4
  • [07:23:58] <ds2> so a mini camcorder is doable then?
  • [07:24:10] <AV500> yes, stores are full of them :-)
  • [07:25:52] <ds2> or use it to make a IP camera
  • [07:26:40] <AV500> yes
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  • [07:27:00] <AV500> but dont expect it to decode random video content
  • [07:27:38] <ds2> does it have the ability to take input straight from NTSC?
  • [07:27:50] <ds2> or does it still need an external ADC/sync decoder?
  • [07:27:59] <AV500> yes
  • [07:28:01] <AV500> needs it
  • [07:28:20] <AV500> tvp514x
  • [07:28:22] <AV500> e.g.
  • [07:28:36] <raster> i wonder if there is a good way to find out if a given memory address within a processes memory mapping is actually in RSS or not
  • [07:28:40] <ds2> I need to read more about the chip... it seems to be very specific
  • [07:28:58] <AV500> yes
  • [07:29:05] <ds2> raster: from kernel or from the process itself?
  • [07:29:43] <raster> from the process (or another process watching this process)
  • [07:29:49] <raster> i'm happy if i can ask the kernel...
  • [07:30:02] <raster> as yet i have yet to find a /proc entry to tell me this
  • [07:30:13] <AV500> proc/pid/smaps?
  • [07:30:19] <ds2> there is no stock entry to do it, AFAIK
  • [07:30:47] <raster> AV500: tells me the summary - how many k are rss
  • [07:30:50] <raster> byt not whihc ones
  • [07:30:55] <ds2> there was a patch to do it
  • [07:31:13] <raster> ie addreass bfa54000->bfa54800 in rss
  • [07:31:14] <raster> etc.
  • [07:31:19] <raster> or some sort of bitmap
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  • [07:31:31] <raster> that says whihc pages are in and which are just in the virtual mapping
  • [07:31:54] <raster> i'd love to get a "handle" on just how fragmented memory really is
  • [07:32:07] <raster> accounting for resident pages within alloced mem segments
  • [07:32:23] <raster> the problem is.. i dont know what pages are not in the resident set - thus i cant tell
  • [07:34:04] <ds2> raster: this is what you want - http://elinux.org/Accurate_Memory_Measurement
  • [07:34:13] <ds2> the memory account patch will give you that info
  • [07:34:46] * raster reads
  • [07:34:48] <ds2> but porting it to a current kernel is a major pain
  • [07:34:52] <ds2> emphasis on major
  • [07:36:10] <raster> hmmmm
  • [07:36:19] <raster> why arent these in mainline!
  • [07:36:28] <raster> FEWLS!
  • [07:36:37] <ds2> cuz... mainline folks only grudgingly accept stuff from CELF :(
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  • [07:36:43] <russ> what, didn't you hear?
  • [07:36:56] <raster> bah
  • [07:36:57] <raster> fewlz
  • [07:37:04] <russ> the code by which all embedded developers swear prevent them from sending any patches upstream
  • [07:37:05] <raster> this is the kind of shit that is important
  • [07:37:17] <raster> my memory is fragmented like no tomorrow
  • [07:37:27] <raster> but i dont really know "how"
  • [07:37:41] <ds2> raster: I had it working on 2.6.21 and it was no fun
  • [07:37:59] <raster> in what way
  • [07:38:01] <raster> to port?
  • [07:38:07] <raster> it seems to have just the info i want
  • [07:38:20] <ds2> the internal mm structures changed
  • [07:38:36] <ds2> so you need to mess with the guts of it and hope nothing breaks
  • [07:40:54] <ds2> oh kpagemap might give you something near what you want
  • [07:43:56] <raster> where is kpagemap?
  • [07:44:40] <russ> is it wrong to want to mock people on the mailing list?
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  • [07:44:52] <ds2> they say it is in mainline as of 2.6.25
  • [07:45:11] <raster> hmm
  • [07:45:13] <raster> not in my kernel
  • [07:45:34] <raster> /proc/kpagemap ?
  • [07:45:48] <ds2> that's what the elinux page suggests
  • [07:45:55] <ds2> I've only messed with the MTA stuff
  • [07:46:18] <raster> well no kpagemap for my procs
  • [07:46:23] <raster> but do have a pagemap
  • [07:46:44] <raster> damn
  • [07:46:45] <raster> binary
  • [07:46:46] <raster> ok...
  • [07:46:50] <raster> what is the format of pagemap
  • [07:47:54] <ds2> I assume a bit map for each page on the system? Not sure though
  • [07:48:08] <raster> dunno... but if it is.. awesome
  • [07:48:20] <ds2> cat it to a file
  • [07:48:29] <ds2> and make a guess from the size since you know the memory size
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  • [07:52:16] <raster> hmm
  • [07:52:19] <raster> its pretty sparse
  • [07:52:28] <raster> 0000000 0000 0000 0000 0600 0000 0000 0000 0600
  • [07:52:28] <raster> *
  • [07:52:28] <raster> 1001100 1c62 0007 0000 8600 0000 0000 0000 0000
  • [07:52:28] <raster> 1001120 7be2 0004 0000 8600 7a9e 0006 0000 8600
  • [07:52:30] <raster> ...
  • [07:52:34] <raster> lotsa 0's
  • [07:53:06] <ds2> Hmmmm x86 ?
  • [07:54:07] <raster> yeah
  • [07:54:11] <raster> hmm
  • [07:54:13] <raster> seems there isa tool
  • [07:54:18] <AV500> this is for your desktop then! :-)
  • [07:54:20] <raster> http://lwn.net/Articles/230975/
  • [07:54:24] <raster> yes
  • [07:54:25] <raster> for my desktop
  • [07:54:30] <raster> i'm doing some memory analysis
  • [07:54:37] <raster> tho it applies just as well on arm
  • [07:54:39] <raster> or anything else
  • [07:54:40] <AV500> so, x86 makes sense :-)
  • [07:54:41] <ds2> wonder if that's cuz of holes in the x86 map
  • [07:54:44] <raster> the same applies
  • [07:54:56] <raster> (in principle)
  • [07:54:57] <AV500> err 68 :-)
  • [07:54:59] <ds2> i.e. can't touch bios area (SMM usage); the 640-1024K IO window, etc
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  • [07:55:59] <raster> http://selenic.com/repo/pagemap/
  • [07:56:00] <raster> werd
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  • [07:57:39] <ds2> raster; there is a doc file in Documentation/* I think
  • [07:59:42] <raster> pagemap.txt
  • [07:59:49] <raster> aaah
  • [07:59:55] <raster> changed name
  • [07:59:59] <raster> /proc/kpagecount.
  • [08:00:03] <raster> /proc/kpageflags.
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  • [08:14:17] <recalcati_bb> morning
  • [08:14:58] <recalcati_bb> AV500: yesterday I looked the wrong cable ... WM17135-ND was ok ... sorry
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  • [08:16:16] <sakncli> hi all, I am looking for a device that I can do lots of video processing stuff. In addition I want to plug a lcd screen to device. My friends directed me to beagleboard. Is it right address.:)?
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  • [08:29:45] <eFfeM> sakncli: see www.beagleboard.org and www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard then decide for yourself if it server your needs
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  • [08:30:10] <sakncli> thanks...
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  • [08:34:18] <littlewookie> hey, can somebody look at this, my usb devices won't work http://pastebin.com/m56a10b3f
  • [08:34:48] <littlewookie> i'm getting it via serial
  • [08:37:33] <littlewookie> if i connect the mouse for example directly its working ( if i restart the beagleboard ) , when i connect it with the usb hub it won't work
  • [08:37:38] <littlewookie> distribution is angstrom
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  • [08:43:24] <littlewookie> could it be beacuse its a 7 port hub?
  • [08:49:14] <russ> it is self powered, right?
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  • [08:49:52] <littlewookie> the hub and the beagleboard are seperately powered
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  • [08:50:43] <favor> Excuse me, does anyone have enabled DSP on Beagleboard?
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  • [08:57:04] <eFfeM> littlewookie: it is a 2.0 hub ?
  • [08:57:52] <eFfeM> never seen those errors
  • [08:58:02] <AV500> favor: yes, latest OE releases use the DSP
  • [08:58:22] <littlewookie> eFfeM: yep
  • [08:59:02] <eFfeM> log says it is a full speed device which is usb 1.1
  • [08:59:09] <eFfeM> usb 2.0 is high speed
  • [08:59:24] <eFfeM> not sure wheter that is an issue
  • [08:59:32] <eFfeM> you might want to try a different hub
  • [08:59:49] <eFfeM> and a recent image, not sure what angstrom version you are using
  • [09:00:32] <favor> AV500: latest OE release? should I update the OE, and rebuild image?
  • [09:01:09] <littlewookie> Angstrom 2009.X-test-20090129 beagleboard ttyS2
  • [09:01:14] <favor> AV500: sorry, maybe only needed is building DSPlink.
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  • [09:03:40] <AV500> favor: no idea, I never built any OE
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  • [09:03:57] <AV500> see bb mailing list, there was dsp related info these days
  • [09:04:49] <favor> AV500: how do you enable the DSP of ur beagleboard
  • [09:05:12] <AV500> I don't, I have my own HW
  • [09:06:18] <littlewookie> eFfeM: the errors are away... i don't know why, but its still not working
  • [09:06:38] <favor> yeah, thank you, AV500. is that stuff diffecult enought?
  • [09:06:59] <littlewookie> i think i should by such a cable -.- probably it's because i built it myself, but i don't understand why only mouse is working with it
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  • [09:08:19] <favor> yeah, thank you, AV500. is that stuff difficult enough?
  • [09:09:39] <AV500> favor: ?
  • [09:11:04] <favor> AV500: I mean the DSP stuff to be used.
  • [09:12:54] <eFfeM> littlewookie: your mouse is working but your kbd is not ?
  • [09:13:09] <eFfeM> usb kbd or ps/2 kbd via adapter?
  • [09:13:40] <eFfeM> my ps/2 kbd does sometimes work under X, sometimes not, no idea what causes the difference
  • [09:13:55] <eFfeM> but in cmd line mode it always works
  • [09:14:37] <eFfeM> btw and wrt the errors, sometimes the solution is just to unpower beagle+hub+powered periperals, wait 30 seconds and reapply power
  • [09:15:17] <littlewookie> eFfeM: no, i mean a single device, not only the mouse
  • [09:15:52] <littlewookie> eFfeM: i'm resoldering my adapter now, probably this is the problem
  • [09:16:03] <eFfeM> ok, gl
  • [09:16:11] <littlewookie> thx
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  • [09:27:20] <AV500> favor: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/0a88dccbb7acc06c#
  • [09:28:49] <koen> ds2: lots of CELF code is not fit for upstreaming due to bugs or CELF targeting last years stuff
  • [09:30:06] <AV500> koen: I guess it is similar to us, as a HW manuf you have to freeze your kernel early, once you are done the kernel has moved so much that nobody wants your outdated patches any more
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  • [09:31:06] <hrw> morning
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  • [09:34:18] <eunwho> hi all
  • [09:36:15] <eunwho> hi all
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  • [09:38:24] <koen> AV500: except that CELF doesn't do hw
  • [09:38:40] <AV500> the members do
  • [09:39:07] <koen> right, but that shouldn't impact CELF R&D
  • [09:39:11] <koen> it does, but it shouldn't
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  • [09:39:49] <AV500> I doubt they have a dedicated separate R&D, they will deliver upstream (to CELF) what they do in their normal HW R&D
  • [09:40:03] <AV500> and then the chain is even longer: HW -> CELC -> mainline
  • [09:40:25] <hrw> thats common to big companies to work on one version of kernel
  • [09:40:49] <koen> and CELF is more occupied with saying how awesome they are than to get their stuff upstream
  • [09:40:56] <hrw> yep
  • [09:40:57] * koen remembers the CELF testlab thingy
  • [09:41:00] <hrw> ;D
  • [09:41:01] <AV500> koen: might be
  • [09:41:11] <hrw> koen: I had accounts on testlab machines
  • [09:41:15] <koen> "we have this awesome testlab"
  • [09:41:19] <koen> "can I get access?"
  • [09:41:43] <koen> <2 months later> "It seems the lab was shutdown 6 months ago, we can ship it to you if you want"
  • [09:41:52] <AV500> awesone!
  • [09:41:55] <AV500> awesome!
  • [09:42:02] <AV500> in your basement now?
  • [09:42:06] <hrw> the good thing is such companies is that we, devs with small companies, can make big money on getting those companies code updated to new kernels ;D
  • [09:42:25] <koen> no, it was like 2 cubic meter of stuff in california
  • [09:42:47] <koen> even if I could fit it in here, my girlfriend would kill me
  • [09:42:47] <eFfeM> also some CELF code is not really maintained
  • [09:42:56] <hrw> few amd64 boxes + few omap5912osk boards iirc
  • [09:43:12] <AV500> innovators! cool
  • [09:43:31] <AV500> 5912 rulz
  • [09:43:35] <koen> the ELC conferences are nice since you can meet lots of people, but most of the talks aren't that interesting
  • [09:43:51] * eFfeM thinks koen already has a very tolerant GF
  • [09:44:01] <eFfeM> but I won't tell her that :-)
  • [09:44:18] <koen> I mean, a presentation on how you install red/u-boot on a ps3 and they use it to load a kernel over http....
  • [09:44:18] <AV500> but she wouldnt mind going to california to pick up some "stuff"
  • [09:44:25] <hrw> eFfeM: I would agreed on it (tolerant Nynke)
  • [09:44:46] <eFfeM> although once I told my wife when she complained about the mess I made, how much stuff koen has, and that there is no reason to complain yet)
  • [09:45:05] <littlewookie> -.- i soldered my finger, but its not working
  • [09:45:16] <AV500> your finger?
  • [09:45:21] <littlewookie> the errors are gone, but still it won't work with the hub
  • [09:45:24] <littlewookie> yep my finger
  • [09:45:30] <eFfeM> and it works directly?
  • [09:45:31] <AV500> tried a hammer?
  • [09:45:45] <eFfeM> try another hub
  • [09:46:02] <hrw> eFfeM: ;DD
  • [09:46:28] <hrw> eFfeM: my wife is happy as long as I do not occupy her desk (which is next to mine monster desk)
  • [09:47:04] <littlewookie> it hurts just a bit while typing^^
  • [09:48:32] <eFfeM> hrw my desk @ home is in the living room, and sometimes she wants to have things tidy (e.g. not a zillion usb thingies on the cabinet etc).
  • [09:48:51] * koen had to move his desk out of the livingroom
  • [09:48:51] <eFfeM> I considered moving to upstairs but then they complain that they never see me
  • [09:49:19] <hrw> eFfeM: we bought this flat to let me have separate room for office
  • [09:49:21] <koen> but then again, laptop + ssh + vnc works well enough
  • [09:49:34] <littlewookie> eFfeM: mouse and keyboard are working with the not powered 2 port hub in my flatscreen
  • [09:49:46] <hrw> eFfeM: my desk has nearly 2x2m
  • [09:49:54] <eFfeM> way back with atari minix development the ST was upstairs, compile would take 10 minutes, I would then often go down. never been healtiher :-)
  • [09:50:28] <eFfeM> littlewookie: are you using a rev B board ?
  • [09:50:40] <littlewookie> yeo
  • [09:50:45] <littlewookie> yo
  • [09:50:46] <eFfeM> afk for lunch
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  • [10:50:44] <littlewookie> eFfeM: i found the problem, the cable that was with the hub is broken -.- i could kill them
  • [10:52:13] <eFfeM> littlewookie: good you found it!
  • [10:52:48] <littlewookie> :3 but thanks for the help
  • [10:53:10] <littlewookie> i'm going to take a walk now, im so frustrated xD
  • [10:53:11] <littlewookie> by
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  • [11:27:59] <littlewookie1> so, my beagleboard is online now :3
  • [11:28:26] <littlewookie1> can somebody tell me which packages from angstrom i need (arch)
  • [11:28:46] <DJWillis> armv7
  • [11:28:50] <littlewookie1> thx
  • [11:28:56] <DJWillis> no probs
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  • [11:30:05] <littlewookie1> and where is ipkg
  • [11:30:39] <DJWillis> opkg
  • [11:30:49] <littlewookie1> oh okay xD
  • [11:32:07] <DJWillis> It's been OPKG for about a year now IIRC, forked off from IPKG when that fell into disrepair on Handhelds.org (along with everything else there ;-))
  • [11:32:33] <littlewookie1> :D thanks
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  • [11:33:38] <koen> littlewookie1: and no need to know the arch, everything is preconfigured
  • [11:33:51] <littlewookie1> okay
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  • [11:44:53] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [11:45:48] <koen> hey jkridner
  • [11:45:48] <Crofton|work> gm
  • [11:46:04] <jkridner> what is new in the world?
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  • [11:51:27] * koen is still waiting fur UPS
  • [11:53:27] * Crofton|work is also waiting for ups
  • [11:53:29] <vsr> is rotation possible with x.org
  • [11:54:03] <vsr> i have build a kdrive and it works
  • [11:54:04] <koen> vsr: depends on your driver and how you build & configure x.org
  • [11:54:19] <koen> "does linux support wifi?" is a similar question
  • [11:54:39] <koen> vsr: your question would be better asked in #xorg
  • [11:55:05] <vsr> yeah, no one answers over there
  • [11:55:24] <koen> then send a mail to the xorg mailinglist
  • [11:55:52] <vsr> will do
  • [11:56:48] <vsr> koen: how is it supposed to depend on the driver, xrandr works in user space
  • [11:57:12] <vsr> im not sure it uses fb rotation feature of the driver
  • [11:57:36] <koen> assumption is the mother of all fuckups
  • [12:02:45] <koen> jkridner: have you seen http://www.violet.net/_mirror-give-powers-to-your-objects.html yet?
  • [12:02:57] <koen> I suspect it's old new, but I only discovered it yesterday
  • [12:03:09] <jkridner> no, I hadn't.
  • [12:04:05] <koen> I haven't found out what they mean with 'linux'
  • [12:06:42] <AV500> koen: I had a nabaztag:tag, I sent it back after 2 days
  • [12:07:40] <koen> I played with a regular nabaztag, and I wasn't impressed with it
  • [12:07:54] <Crofton|work> this is weird
  • [12:08:16] <AV500> I wanted it to stream internet radio, but i could not do that without dropouts
  • [12:08:24] <AV500> so back it went
  • [12:08:54] <AV500> and paris traffic messages got boring soon :-)
  • [12:09:12] <AV500> and the "tag" stuff was not even working :-(
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  • [12:14:08] <eFfeM> just checked it, the idea of having a small gluable rfid tag and a nice looking reader is quite nice!
  • [12:14:39] * eFfeM is still looking at a not too expensive rfid reader and some tags to play with
  • [12:16:51] <eFfeM> hm, 30 euro's for the reader + 3 tags + 2 tagged rabbits is not that bad
  • [12:17:09] <eFfeM> http://www.ztore.net/eu/index.php?cPath=30
  • [12:17:17] <eFfeM> guess it can be made to work with any linux
  • [12:17:40] <AV500> eFfeM: looks like I will give violet some money again :-)
  • [12:18:09] <AV500> I guees it will later work with any conforming tags
  • [12:18:11] <koen> there, UPS arrived
  • [12:18:16] <AV500> whatsinside?
  • [12:18:48] <as_leep> The touchscreen adaptor?
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  • [12:19:05] <AV500> eFfeM: "Funktioniert mit Violet Ztamp:s und RFID-Chips der Norm ISO 14443 A oder B" :-)
  • [12:19:24] <eFfeM> av500 saw that as well
  • [12:19:33] <eFfeM> Contain RFID chips, ISO 14443 B type
  • [12:19:48] <eFfeM> also saw the functions line
  • [12:20:03] <eFfeM> i'm interested in your experience
  • [12:20:31] <AV500> no, u buy it and tell me :-)
  • [12:20:42] <eFfeM> <grin>
  • [12:20:44] <eFfeM> Keep track of every time you use your tools, take your medication, or pour out a glass of Vodka (with Mir:ror and Nabaztag:tag)
  • [12:20:53] <eFfeM> not sure if I want to record my drinking habits
  • [12:21:02] <eFfeM> anyway the bottle in the end tells me how much I got
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  • [12:22:25] <eFfeM> can't find out about shipping cost to NL without creating an account
  • [12:22:28] <AV500> well, for me it would only work if the place for the vodka bottle is the reader, so I need a few readers for my bar :-)
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  • [12:22:41] <eFfeM> lol
  • [12:22:57] <AV500> hmm, I should have an account, lemme check
  • [12:23:48] <AV500> 7,90 to DE
  • [12:25:30] <AV500> problem is, you'd need quite some of these mirrors scattered around the house and office to be useful
  • [12:26:07] <AV500> and I did not wire my house with USB extensions, only cat6 :-)
  • [12:26:13] <koen> and ztamps
  • [12:26:26] <AV500> yes, but the stampt are cheap
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  • [12:35:10] <koen> sakoman_: ping
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  • [12:49:50] <finux_> umm, you know how to install uinput?
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  • [12:52:40] * koen looks at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78149
  • [12:53:20] <koen> hmmm, the uinput guy needs to be more patient
  • [12:53:26] <koen> root@beagleboard:~# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep UINPUT
  • [12:53:28] <koen> CONFIG_INPUT_UINPUT=y
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  • [12:57:43] <ant_work> koen: x264 only on Cortex A8/9 ?
  • [12:58:38] <koen> ant_work: if you enabled asm, yes
  • [12:58:49] <koen> ant_work: but more in general: neon support fot x264
  • [12:59:05] <ant_work> official
  • [13:01:19] * koen wonders why his the lcd on the palo43 is so red
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  • [13:16:03] <sakoman_> koen: pong
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  • [13:24:05] <koen> sakoman_: it seems the red channel on my palo + lcd doesn't turn off
  • [13:24:40] <koen> sakoman_: I've had similar issues on the evm, which turned out to be ES version quirks, but I'd like to rule out broken lcd/palo as well
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  • [13:25:31] <sakoman_> have you used the same motherboard with summit successfuly?
  • [13:25:45] <sakoman_> just to rule out the motherboard . . .
  • [13:27:13] <koen> I'll try that in a minute
  • [13:27:25] * koen needs to test a kernel patch first on overo/palo
  • [13:28:07] <sakoman_> my standard kernels seem to work fine on the 2 palo43's that I have
  • [13:28:51] <sakoman_> and I assume you've figured out you need to set defaultdisplay to lcd43 in u-boot
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  • [13:29:21] <sakoman_> back in a bit after coffee . . .
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  • [13:35:24] <dfriedland> Hey guys I'd like to get people's opinion on something...
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  • [13:36:31] <dfriedland> I would like to give you a heads up on a new platform being released by TI this summer that will be ideally suited for such applications as digital audio, industrial monitoring and low power medical.
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  • [13:37:05] <dfriedland> This new experimenter board will be based on the power-optimized Freon OMAP-L1x chip that consists of an ARM9 (as opposed to the Beagle's ARM Cortex A8) .
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  • [13:38:19] <dfriedland> And there is the C674x (which combines floating and fixed point operations and functionality in the same device),
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  • [13:39:00] <dfriedland> This will be offered from LogicPD for approximately $169.
  • [13:39:02] <Crofton|work> drum roll
  • [13:39:12] <dfriedland> yes yes?
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  • [13:39:30] <Crofton|work> what kind of opinion do you want?
  • [13:39:56] <Crofton|work> what kind of IO will th board have>
  • [13:39:57] <Crofton|work> ?
  • [13:40:21] <dfriedland> Well, its ARM9 and not A8 Cortex, so one thing I'm wondering about is "community" enthusiasm.
  • [13:40:24] <AV500> will it come with the mini-A cable?
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  • [13:40:58] <Crofton|work> dfriedland, I would rather more umph in the ARM, but I know people interested in the part anyway
  • [13:41:06] <Crofton|work> so I will pick one up
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  • [13:41:15] <Spyro> Hi folks
  • [13:41:22] <Spyro> can anyone help me id a connector?
  • [13:41:38] <dfriedland> It will come with a USB cable for on-board emulation, is that what you mean?
  • [13:41:51] <AV500> dfriedland: no, I was joking.
  • [13:42:17] <AV500> as many people struggle more to get a mini-A cable than the BB itself
  • [13:42:26] <dfriedland> ahhh a joke. Too early in the morning for me to get that one.
  • [13:42:37] <dfriedland> Yeah, I get it.
  • [13:43:11] <Crofton|work> we have a terrible sense of humour
  • [13:43:14] <freongeeks> we are interested in knowing what value do you think the broard brings to your work
  • [13:43:24] <dfriedland> Peripheral support will include USB 2.0, SATA, MMC/SD and Ethernet.
  • [13:43:30] <Crofton|work> mcspi?
  • [13:43:33] <ShadowJK> ooh, ethernet
  • [13:43:40] <freongeeks> Etehrnet, UART, MMC-SD, LCD, USB2.0; SATA
  • [13:43:52] <Crofton|work> mcspi?
  • [13:43:55] <freongeeks> there will be expension connector ofocurse to exten
  • [13:44:01] <mib_i3q36i> McBSP and SPI
  • [13:44:05] <Crofton|work> good
  • [13:44:16] <dfriedland> McBSP for both serial and audio.
  • [13:44:20] <Crofton|work> I need to attach this to an fpga, most likeyl via spi
  • [13:44:55] <Crofton|work> dsp programming is the hurble that must be resolved
  • [13:45:01] <Spyro> macro of said connector: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/scrapbook/scrapbook
  • [13:45:07] <freongeeks> we will have a new much faster parallel peripeheral for FPGA like interfaces
  • [13:45:10] <Spyro> I need this to interface my LCD
  • [13:45:34] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [13:45:44] <Crofton|work> will it be brought out on this board?
  • [13:45:50] <Spyro> or rather, I need a socket to mate with it
  • [13:46:03] <AV500> what is the pitch
  • [13:46:06] <Spyro> 1mm
  • [13:46:19] <freongeeks> the fatser newer parallel interface will be brought out on the board
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  • [13:47:04] <freongeeks> Spyro >>> what is your question?
  • [13:47:22] <Spyro> freongeeks: I need a socket to mate with the connector in my photograph (linked above)
  • [13:47:34] <freongeeks> we will have enough information, SW and tools to enable leveragi ng the new 674x DSP core
  • [13:47:43] <Spyro> freongeeks: I also need to get a model off the BB LCD connectors to use in eagle PCB
  • [13:48:17] <Crofton|work> freongeeks, dfriedland will you guys be around later?
  • [13:48:26] <freongeeks> spyro >>> we think it is 0.1inch. we will get back to you with exact details
  • [13:48:33] <dfriedland> on and off. When?
  • [13:48:45] <Spyro> freongeeks: its 0.05in pitch (if you refer to the BB)
  • [13:49:12] <Spyro> freongeeks: but Im very new to eagle PCB and dont know where to get or find modells of connectors for it
  • [13:49:32] <Spyro> freongeeks: the connector in my photo seems to be 1mm pitch
  • [13:49:41] <Spyro> but thats another matter
  • [13:49:46] <Crofton|work> in a few hours
  • [13:49:57] <freongeeks> yes.. we will be around
  • [13:50:10] <Crofton|work> I am really interested in this board, mainly because I ahve talked to people who are interested in the L137
  • [13:50:21] <dfriedland> Probably
  • [13:50:28] <Crofton|work> is there any public info on it yet?
  • [13:51:47] <dfriedland> Not yet, but I can get you some more info pretty soon...
  • [13:52:13] <freongeeks> excellent.. what are teh folks on L137 will develop with this board?
  • [13:52:39] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [13:53:19] <koen> sakoman_: this sort-off works: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/overo-palo43-keys-leds-gpio.diff
  • [13:53:41] <freongeeks> correction.. what will the folks interested in l137 develop on this board?
  • [13:53:50] <Crofton|work> sdr's ....
  • [13:54:05] <Crofton|work> but, all the heavy lifting will need to be done in the dsp
  • [13:54:14] <Zhe> They can use peripherals not available on OMAPL137, i.e. uPP, SATA for certain applications
  • [13:54:28] <Zhe> OMAPL138 will consume even less power
  • [13:54:56] <Crofton|work> my main concern is getting data from an fpga
  • [13:55:01] <koen> sakoman_: I suspect the gpio leds are wired the wrong way around :)
  • [13:55:05] <Crofton|work> and actually using the dsp
  • [13:55:12] <Crofton|work> gotta run for a bit
  • [13:55:15] <koen> sakoman_: the top led dims on activity instead of lighting up :)
  • [13:55:23] <dfriedland> If you want more info, can you ping freoncommunityinfo@list.ti.com?
  • [13:55:25] <freongeeks> The board that we are talking about witll have the omapl138 device.. to be announced in June.
  • [13:57:14] <freongeeks> uPP is the universal parallel port. This is the newer faster parallel interface that was mentioned earlier
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  • [13:57:47] <hrw> re
  • [13:58:21] <Spyro> hi hrw
  • [13:58:34] <Spyro> hrw: I have a photo of that connector on my website:
  • [13:58:42] <Spyro> http://www.mnementh.co.uk/scrapbook/scrapbook
  • [13:59:06] <hrw> Spyro: ?
  • [13:59:22] <Spyro> hrw: the connector I couldnt ID that I mentioned the other night
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  • [13:59:39] <hrw> Spyro: ah. sorry I do not follow
  • [13:59:55] <Spyro> hrw: mmm. I *thought* it was you I was talking to...
  • [14:00:03] <Spyro> my memory isnt always accurate
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  • [14:00:12] <hrw> neither do mine
  • [14:00:35] <Spyro> hrw: Im trying to get a socket to mate with the connector in the photo
  • [14:00:40] <freongeeks> If you have any more questions on the new board that we have discussed so far, please email : freoncommunityinfo@list.ti.com
  • [14:00:42] <Spyro> 1mm pitch
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  • [14:07:37] <Stephane> hi everybody
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  • [14:08:38] <Stephane> has anyone here successfully compiled and run android on the beagleboard?
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  • [14:09:05] <AV500> Stephane: check the ml archives, some people have
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  • [14:09:43] <Stephane> ok
  • [14:10:12] <sakoman_> koen: you write a zero to the gpios to turn on the leds
  • [14:10:26] <sakoman_> they work just fine for me
  • [14:11:32] <Stephane> the ml is in the google group??
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  • [14:13:05] <recalcati_bb> morning
  • [14:13:26] <Stephane> anyway, my problem is that I found a guide on how to port Android to beagleboard, but I'm kinda stuck
  • [14:13:28] <Stephane> http://labs.embinux.org/index.php/Android_Porting_Guide_to_Beagle_Board
  • [14:13:54] <recalcati_bb> anybodt know when flash 10 will come?
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  • [14:14:06] <Stephane> At some point I have to specify a toolchain, but I don't know which one I should use.
  • [14:14:25] <Stephane> There is one that comes with the Android source code, but there is also the beagleboard toolchain
  • [14:15:03] <Stephane> and it doesn't specicify in the wiki..
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  • [14:15:12] <katier> Stephane - are you trying to rebuild the fs?
  • [14:15:51] <Stephane> for now I'm trying to compile the kernel with android patches
  • [14:16:18] <katier> if cs is on your path just do CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- and it should work
  • [14:18:05] <Stephane> katier: OHHHHH!!!!! wait! dude!!! you just made me realize something!
  • [14:18:12] <Stephane> hold on...
  • [14:18:56] <recalcati_bb> jkridner: do you know when a flash 10 beta release will come?
  • [14:19:58] <AV500> recalcati_bb: late
  • [14:20:19] <AV500> Stephane: kernel: BB toolchain
  • [14:20:31] <AV500> Stephane: android: GG toolchain
  • [14:21:09] <Stephane> ok, so I added $HOME/mydroid/prebuilt/linux-x86/toolchain/arm-eabi-4.3.1/bin/ to my path
  • [14:21:23] <Stephane> and it has arm-eabi-* tools
  • [14:21:59] <recalcati_bb> AV500: july?
  • [14:22:19] <Stephane> i ran my make with CROSS_COMPILE=arm-eabi- and it stopped with an unknown architecture 'armv7-a' error
  • [14:22:52] <katier> Stephane - just use cs to build the kernel and fs is fine
  • [14:23:29] <AV500> recalcati_bb: 2010
  • [14:24:01] <recalcati_bb> AV500: really??? and these binary flash application how we will integrate with our system?
  • [14:24:46] <Stephane> sorry for asking, but what is 'cs' exactly?
  • [14:25:17] <katier> codesourcery
  • [14:25:30] <AV500> recalcati_bb: no, I am not adobe, but flash10 for ARM nowhere on the horizon yet
  • [14:25:44] <AV500> so asking how it will integrate is useless
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  • [14:26:05] <sakoman_> koen: did you resolve your red tint issue?
  • [14:26:16] <recalcati_bb> AV500: there was a news about Flash 10 for Cortex A8, didn't you read it?
  • [14:26:57] <AV500> really, where
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  • [14:27:50] <Stephane> katier: thank you so much!
  • [14:29:32] <Stephane> I've been trying to figure out how to get this google android on some arm devices and I was advised to start with the Beagleboard since it is really popular
  • [14:29:46] <AV500> Stephane: yes
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  • [14:38:01] <mib_zikxst> Hi all, can you tell me which OMAP processor is in the beagleboard?
  • [14:38:21] <mib_zikxst> is it OMAP3530?
  • [14:38:47] <koen> sakoman_: no, not yet
  • [14:38:59] <koen> sakoman_: will try on the summit to see whether dvi works
  • [14:42:09] <sakoman_> just tried the led's and they work as expected here (1 = off, 0 = on)
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  • [14:45:32] <koen> sakoman_: I put in .active_low =1,
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  • [14:56:44] <bazbell> mib_zikxst: Yes, OMAP3530.
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  • [15:00:43] <koen> sakoman_: seems to be a mainboard problem :(
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  • [15:05:25] <koen> sakoman_: have a look at http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/overo/
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  • [15:15:51] <djlewis> whats this (Auto away) stuff? first I've seen of it.
  • [15:16:07] <koen> where?
  • [15:16:33] <djlewis> on my screen here in irc
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  • [15:22:13] <sakoman_> koen: just to rule out sw, could you try one of my images (including uImage & u-boot with a wiped env)?
  • [15:22:25] <koen> sure
  • [15:22:34] <koen> what's the quickest way to wipe env?
  • [15:22:35] <sakoman_> http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/200904082313/
  • [15:22:49] <sakoman_> nand erase 240000 20000
  • [15:23:38] <sakoman_> you can use as-is with summit
  • [15:24:06] <sakoman_> for palo43 you need to 'setenv defaultdisplay lcd43' in u-boot
  • [15:24:21] <koen> sakoman_: could you give http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/overo-palo43-keys-leds-gpio.diff a try on your palo?
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  • [15:24:53] <sakoman_> koen: yes, I'll add it to my next kernel build
  • [15:24:55] <mib_2u7v2n> Hi there !
  • [15:27:07] <mib_2u7v2n> One short question: We have a computer room, here in school. I'm in charge of replacing every computer (too old). Do you think it's feasible to replace them with beagle board base computer (low cost and low energy consumption) ?
  • [15:27:43] <mib_2u7v2n> From a software point of view, Linux is just fine for our needs.
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  • [15:28:54] <fenn> from a cost point of view, you could get a desktop for way cheaper
  • [15:29:08] <koen> sakoman_: same problem with your kernel + u-boot on summit +dvi
  • [15:29:20] <fenn> and it would have usb and vga ports already
  • [15:29:44] <mib_2u7v2n> Beagle board has USB and DVI (via HDMI), hasn't it ?
  • [15:29:44] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: consider multiseat stations maybe?
  • [15:30:10] <fenn> mib_2u7v2n: it does, but only one USB port (well, two if you consider the mini-A OTG port)
  • [15:31:16] <fenn> also i dont think beagle has enough ram for today's typical bloatware
  • [15:31:29] <mib_2u7v2n> I thought of powering the beagleboard via an USB hub, so several USB ports will be usable. The biggest "addon" will be the USB ethernet thingy
  • [15:31:59] <fenn> doesn't work that way
  • [15:32:15] <mib_2u7v2n> Last REV has 256 Mo, no ? It's twice the RAM on current PC ;)
  • [15:32:19] <fenn> you power the hub from the beagleboard or power the hub itself
  • [15:32:46] <fenn> hm. unless you can do some funky loop around thing to the OTG port
  • [15:32:53] <mib_2u7v2n> Hum, I wanted to power the hub, which in turn could power the beagleboard, but maybe I'm wrong...
  • [15:33:18] <koen> sakoman_: interestingly enough, if I boot the palo with the summit bootargs, I get different behaviour for the red channel
  • [15:34:09] <fenn> mib_2u7v2n: ok, i'm thinking of it like $20 for 4GB of ram these days
  • [15:34:30] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: really consider multiseat setups
  • [15:34:50] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: one powerfull machine + 4-8 seats (monitor+keyboard+mouse)
  • [15:35:26] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: intel core2 (duo/quad) + 4-8GB ram and few gfx cards
  • [15:35:28] <mib_2u7v2n> Yes, not a bad idea, but in case of failure, 8 users impacted...
  • [15:35:50] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: easier to backup, expand too
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  • [15:36:00] <sakoman_> koen: is this a new Overo, or the same one you have been using?
  • [15:36:04] <mib_2u7v2n> Agree with the easier to backup...
  • [15:36:23] <fenn> backup is simple.. network filesystem
  • [15:36:28] <mib_2u7v2n> And some cheap Atom based motherboard.
  • [15:36:32] <mib_2u7v2n> ?
  • [15:37:17] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: intel n270 or n330 based mini-itx only iirc
  • [15:37:50] <fenn> is it easy to run multiple X sessions at once?
  • [15:38:10] <koen> sakoman_: the same one, I only have one overo :)
  • [15:38:35] <hrw> fenn: its doable with good login manager (gdm/kdm)
  • [15:38:51] <sakoman_> koen: bummer, so it just started doing this?
  • [15:39:01] <mib_2u7v2n> Ok, so the conclusion about Beagle Board: it's not adapted for this context (general purpose light computer).
  • [15:39:23] <koen> sakoman_: I have been running it without screen mostly and used x11vnc to test stuff
  • [15:39:35] <fenn> mib_2u7v2n: there were a lot of compromises made to get it small and low power consumption
  • [15:39:49] <hrw> mib_2u7v2n: I would not make computer on it
  • [15:39:54] <sakoman_> I'm wondering if bad connector might be the issue - have you tried pressing on the Overo lightly to see if the screen chnages?
  • [15:40:26] <koen> sakoman_: heh
  • [15:40:38] <mib_2u7v2n> Ok, understood. Thank you for your answers.
  • [15:40:39] <mib_2u7v2n> Bye !
  • [15:40:47] <koen> sakoman_: that fixes it, but it's not "lightly"
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  • [16:01:56] <djlewis> Can we have consoles on DVI port or is only X supportrd?
  • [16:02:16] <koen> kill X and find out
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  • [16:04:25] <hrw> or login remotelly and do "chvt 1" (and pray that x11 are on vt2 or higher)
  • [16:05:51] <djlewis> well killing X only restarts it and I dont want permanent change. Just looking at reducing overhead for later.
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  • [16:09:02] <koen> the reset button is in the wrong place on the palo
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  • [16:10:31] <djlewis> sounds like an ooops moment
  • [16:11:32] <fenn> ctrl-alt-f1 or stop the display manager (etc/init.d/gdm stop)
  • [16:11:33] <koen> more like 5 moments in a row
  • [16:14:35] <djlewis> fenn would that be (/etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop) in angstrom?
  • [16:15:15] <djlewis> tiny boards big fingers...
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  • [16:16:32] <djlewis> like in that 0603 fuse I was soldering the other day, took the tip of a toothpick to hold it in place and my big ol Luxo to even see it.
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  • [16:19:22] <emeb> djlewis: get yourself some good tweezers for SMD work: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19871
  • [16:19:56] <fenn> heh i just ordered these yesterday.. we'll see how they turn out http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19915
  • [16:20:25] <djlewis> hi emeb
  • [16:20:55] <emeb> Howdy djlewis
  • [16:21:03] <djlewis> those arent tweezers, they are straight pins with handles. ;)
  • [16:21:51] <emeb> That's the idea. Tweezers in left hand, iron in right. Big illuminated magnifier.
  • [16:22:24] <emeb> Helpful when working with the dust that passes for electronic components these days.
  • [16:23:26] <djlewis> lol
  • [16:23:48] <AV500> 0603? that is HUGE
  • [16:25:18] <djlewis> arrgh!
  • [16:26:52] <AV500> djlewis: sorry, I missread, 0603 seems fine :-)
  • [16:27:21] <djlewis> emeb, I may have to order an electron microscope at this rate :(
  • [16:27:21] <emeb> What's huge is the HDMI/DVI cable I got from Special - friggin' garden hose. Drags my Beagle all over the desk.
  • [16:27:33] <emeb> :0
  • [16:28:41] <AV500> nice, there is 0603 for both "metric" and "strange" system
  • [16:28:42] <djlewis> AV500 emeb educated me the other day and i learned I was supposed to have a 1206 fuse.
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  • [16:29:53] <djlewis> When I opened the Digikey box and found what I received for fuses, well I didnt see them at first, i was setback a bit.
  • [16:30:53] <AV500> 1206 would be 3.2mmx1.6mm, so this is HUGE
  • [16:31:32] <AV500> 0603 is 1.6x0.8mm, so LARGE
  • [16:31:51] <AV500> now 0201 (0603 metric) is 0.6x0.3mm, this is the TINY stuff
  • [16:34:17] <djlewis> hmmm, I dont know about my working with 0201.
  • [16:35:00] <djlewis> Time for me to head to town. I'll tune in later guys..
  • [16:35:52] <GregorR> 0.6x0.3mm ... I'd be afraid of accidentally breathing that in and having to buy a new one.
  • [16:36:13] <fenn> i wonder what is below 0201.. they ran out of numbers
  • [16:37:26] <AV500> 01005
  • [16:37:43] <AV500> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology
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  • [16:39:14] <fenn> that metric numbering just seems like a terrible idea
  • [16:40:06] <fenn> or maybe it's the inch numbering
  • [16:40:24] <fenn> SMD started out metric right? so why are the packages specified in inches?
  • [16:41:00] <AV500> no idea
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  • [16:58:38] <ju41ec> i build a enlightment image for beagle, but i get a empty profile image and it hangs in there
  • [17:01:11] <sakoman_> ju41ec: git pull and rebuild, that bug has been fixed
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  • [17:05:05] <hrw> or do "opkg update;opkg upgrade" on beagleboard
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  • [17:08:09] <ju41ec> sakoman: thank you, i have been struck with this for the last 4 hours, thinking my .bb file is wrong, modifying, building, testing
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  • [17:17:27] <emeb> anyone notice that when playing an MP3 file with XMMS in the latest Angstrom that the play time/position slider doesn't move?
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  • [17:22:21] <sakoman_> emeb: hmm . . . works in my image
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  • [17:23:24] <emeb> sakoman_: Interesting. I'm upgrading now to see if anything changes.
  • [17:24:01] <emeb> Don't think it's the MP3 file - works fine on my Fedora 9 system.
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  • [17:24:57] <sakoman_> emeb: my daily build is here: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/beagleboard/200904082313/
  • [17:26:50] <emeb> sakoman_: Thanks - I may grab it and try! (digs through clutter for another SD card)
  • [17:28:45] <ju41ec> sakoman_: nice, how did you change the wallpaper? and how long it takes to boot on your board
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  • [17:30:12] <sakoman_> ju41ec: not quite sure what you are asking!
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  • [17:30:53] <sakoman_> first boot takes a *long* time. subsequent boots go much faster but depend on what usb devices you have attached
  • [17:34:07] <ju41ec> sakoman_: saw overo lcd pic, looks great
  • [17:34:27] <sakoman_> ah, I see
  • [17:34:44] <sakoman_> which pic are you referring to?
  • [17:35:06] <ju41ec> i meant the wall paper and color and i lost the link
  • [17:36:20] <sakoman_> heh, without the pic I'm not sure how to answer the question :-)
  • [17:37:04] <ju41ec> heh
  • [17:37:19] <sakoman_> what did the wallpaper lok like?
  • [17:37:46] <ju41ec> e on overo
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  • [17:39:54] <ju41ec> got to go, nite
  • [17:40:09] <sakoman_> ju41ec: the shipping image just uses the standard e wallpaper
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  • [17:40:36] <sakoman_> the pic may have been one where we've used a picture to replace it
  • [17:41:28] <ju41ec> ill hang in here for some time and test my build
  • [17:41:37] <ju41ec> :-)
  • [17:43:18] <ju41ec> most time is spent on building and copying the stuff onto a sd card and booting it out
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  • [17:55:46] <mib_bng53d> Does anyone have any idea how to set a script to run at startup?
  • [18:00:26] <mib_bng53d> a custom script was written, we just need it to run on boot
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  • [18:04:12] <__alanc__> mib : its typically via stuff in /etc/init.d
  • [18:04:58] <hrw> mib_bng53d: learn update-rc.d
  • [18:05:55] <ds2> morning
  • [18:06:11] <ds2> mib_bng53d: that is a very distro specific question... you need to specify what distro you are using
  • [18:06:32] <mib_bng53d> ds2: sorry about that... angstrom
  • [18:06:49] <ds2> but most likely it'll wind up being a symlink to your script (traditionally - /etc/init.d) into /etc/rc3.d or whatever runlevel you have it setup
  • [18:07:00] <mib_bng53d> hrw: the bb is currently now connected to network to get update-rc
  • [18:07:32] <mib_bng53d> it was put into the rc2 - 5
  • [18:07:37] <mib_bng53d> not*
  • [18:07:39] <ds2> mib_bng53d: I think angstrom uses the RC scripts so - put it in /etc/init.d; make a symlink to it into /etc/rcN.d with the name of SxxSomeName where N is the default run level (look in /etc/inittab) and xx is the relative order you want to run it
  • [18:08:01] <ds2> or you can do it with the wrappers they are talking about
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  • [18:08:50] <hrw> ds2: update-rc.d is proper way ;D (in debian and angstrom)
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  • [18:09:07] <BeagleTest> jkridner is http://beagleboard.org/user/blog.hangerhead.com
  • [18:09:28] <mib_bng53d> ds2: how do I make the symlink, I used ln -s "myscriptininit.d" "myscript"
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  • [18:10:16] <ds2> hrw: proper is relative
  • [18:10:43] <ds2> ln -s /etc/init.d/YourScript /etc/rc2.d/S99YourScript
  • [18:10:53] <ds2> but you can use the tools...it should do the same thing
  • [18:11:03] <ds2> I just don't bother with extra "crap"
  • [18:11:13] <mib_bng53d> Tools aren't installed in angstrom tho.
  • [18:11:26] <ds2> makes transitions to other environment (i.e. pure busybox, no userland, etc) easier
  • [18:12:43] <mib_bng53d> ds2, I have the file there, anything else I will need to do for it to take effect?
  • [18:13:18] <ds2> nope as long as /etc/rcX.d/SnnSomeStrong points to the right place X is the right run level
  • [18:13:41] <ds2> make sure it is executable... I not sure what angstrom does but some need it to be executable, others just run it through sh
  • [18:14:04] <ds2> also if you didn't know already - you should start things only when arg1 (i.e. $1) is "start"
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  • [18:14:08] <Crofton|work> Hodgkins, IL must be the mother of all UPS hubs ....
  • [18:14:36] <ds2> Crofton|work: where is it coming from and going to?
  • [18:14:52] <mib_bng53d> I made it executable but what do you mean about the arg1
  • [18:14:56] <ds2> I've had fedex packages that came from I think AZ going to CA get routed through TN
  • [18:15:19] <Crofton|work> One from Phoenix and the other from Digikey
  • [18:15:24] <ds2> your script should check arg1...i.e. -
  • [18:15:24] <Crofton|work> both are there now
  • [18:15:44] <Crofton|work> ds2, I think most Fedex packages go through TN
  • [18:16:19] <ds2> if [ "$1" = "start" ]; then do stuff; elif [ "$1" = "stop" ]; do stuff; fi
  • [18:16:48] <ds2> cuz you will be called as "S99Somestuff start" on boot
  • [18:17:08] <ds2> Crofton|work: it almost seems random cuz some stuff seems not go through TN in recent times
  • [18:17:30] <ds2> I'd be pissed if UPS Ground routed an AZ - CA package through IL with a truck ;)
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  • [18:23:26] <Crofton|work> right, but if you are doing anywhere to anywhere over night, you fly everything one location, sort it and fly the planes back :)
  • [18:24:17] <ds2> there is just something weird when you can have packages that have earned more miles then you have for the current year
  • [18:24:47] <mib_bng53d> ds2: You don't happen to know of any goood sites with examples of that, do you?
  • [18:25:06] <ds2> mib_bng53d: sorry, no. But you can look at the other scripts in /etc/init.d as an example
  • [18:25:39] <mib_bng53d> ok, so in the custom script, I never had a check for $1, could that be why it doesn't start?
  • [18:25:52] <ds2> not likely
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  • [18:25:56] <ds2> it should still start
  • [18:26:13] <netnet> hey all, newbie to sbc's, I am a web/app windows developer, but would like to get into hobby hardware like beagleboard. Would you suggest I start with this board?
  • [18:26:15] <ds2> try doing it manually - type in "/etc/rcN.d/S99script start"
  • [18:26:19] <ds2> see what that says
  • [18:26:38] <ds2> if that works, I'd try to use full explicit paths in the script
  • [18:26:50] <ds2> netnet: www.beagleboard.org
  • [18:26:59] <mib_bng53d> I am using full paths...that's the odd part
  • [18:27:02] <netnet> yeah, I am on that
  • [18:27:42] <netnet> so, do I need to get a HDMI lcd... or is there a converter to SVGA?
  • [18:27:55] <ds2> no cheap converters to SVGA
  • [18:28:14] <ds2> but if you wait a week or so, there will be accessories to add an LCD (assuming you have a RevC)
  • [18:28:15] <netnet> so, excuse to buy a new LCD?? hehe
  • [18:28:25] <ds2> sure... or a HDTV ;)
  • [18:28:34] <netnet> wife would luv that
  • [18:28:40] <ds2> mib_bng53d: does it work if you start it by hand?
  • [18:29:32] <netnet> also, I assume you suggest me to learn how to load my own SD with linux right?
  • [18:29:52] <ds2> netnet: yes. but you can start with the ESC image as that is known working
  • [18:30:05] <netnet> ok, that is cool, was wondering about that, thanks
  • [18:30:09] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
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  • [18:32:56] <mib_bng53d> I am currently trying to modify my script to read the start argument
  • [18:33:21] <mib_bng53d> However, I cannot seem to get the syntax correct ds2
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  • [18:35:17] <ds2> what's the error? can you pastebin the script?
  • [18:35:40] <mib_bng53d> It will be a sec, but I'll try
  • [18:38:56] <mib_bng53d> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/heLW80
  • [18:39:02] <mib_bng53d> there it is as started
  • [18:39:23] <ds2> please put a space between your [ and -p in the 3rd line
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  • [18:39:47] <ds2> that is the most obvious problem I see
  • [18:40:12] <geckosenator> does anyone know where I can get a full specification to the thumb2 instruction set?
  • [18:40:17] <ds2> in sh, '[' is a command
  • [18:40:31] <ds2> geckosenator: ARM... you need the ARM ARM for V7 (I think)
  • [18:40:36] <geckosenator> all I have is a quick reference card, and it doesn't fully specify how to compute the status register flags
  • [18:40:42] <geckosenator> the arm arm?
  • [18:40:55] <ds2> ARM Arch. Reference Manual; aka ARM ARM
  • [18:41:08] <mib_bng53d> ds2: There is an actual space there, I hand copied the script and miswrote that
  • [18:41:14] <geckosenator> ds2: oh, heh
  • [18:41:21] <ds2> ARM v5 and is free to download; v6/v7 need to ask
  • [18:41:26] <ds2> and lower
  • [18:41:38] <geckosenator> oh, that's annoying
  • [18:41:50] <ds2> mib_bng53d: what is the error?
  • [18:41:52] <geckosenator> is arm v5 thumb2?
  • [18:42:21] <ds2> no, I think thumb2 is either v6 or v7
  • [18:42:25] <ds2> suspect v7
  • [18:42:38] <mib_bng53d> ds2: What I need help with is modifying the script to act on the arg1 that you were telling me to do. Right now, the script runs when I call it, but not on boot.
  • [18:42:42] <ds2> geckosenator: goto ARM's site and fill in the request form
  • [18:42:53] <geckosenator> well there is an application level reference manual
  • [18:42:58] <geckosenator> which doesn't require it
  • [18:43:03] <ds2> mib_bng53d: okay
  • [18:43:05] <ds2> one sec
  • [18:43:23] <geckosenator> I have no idea why they don't just let you download it.. are they stupid?
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  • [18:45:28] <ds2> mib_bng53d: quicker - http://www.hy-research.com/misc/misc.txt
  • [18:45:37] <ds2> that should be all you need to do
  • [18:46:38] <mib_bng53d> one sec, I'll give that a try.
  • [18:47:59] <mib_bng53d> :ds2 silly question, will tabs matter?
  • [18:49:54] <ds2> mib_bng53d: only if it is in quotes
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  • [18:50:18] <mib_bng53d> Ok, I restarted, but it didn't run it looks like
  • [18:50:26] <ds2> Okay
  • [18:50:31] <ds2> look in /etc/inittab
  • [18:50:35] <emeb> sakoman_: Tried your daily build and it did the same thing. Tried a different MP3 and it worked fine. Must be something odd with that first file.
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  • [18:50:49] <Tempboogie> hello
  • [18:50:59] <ds2> there is a line that looks like: id:X:initdefault:
  • [18:51:03] <ds2> what is the value of X?
  • [18:51:11] <mib_bng53d> 5
  • [18:51:18] <Tempboogie> can someone help me, i just got a beagle board
  • [18:51:24] <ds2> Okay. are you putting the link in /etc/rc5.d/?
  • [18:51:26] <Tempboogie> and i cant get it to output to ther hyper term
  • [18:51:52] <mib_bng53d> I do have the link in /etc/rc5.d/
  • [18:51:55] <Tempboogie> i've checked my db9 to 10 pin connector
  • [18:52:04] <ds2> and what is the link called?
  • [18:52:14] <geckosenator> Tempboogie: what baud rate?
  • [18:52:16] <mib_bng53d> S99scriptfinal.sh
  • [18:52:19] <Tempboogie> and also have verified that i can write to my terminal windo by shorting pin 2 and 3
  • [18:52:20] <geckosenator> Tempboogie: is it set to hardware flow?
  • [18:52:41] <geckosenator> Tempboogie: try flipping pin 2 and 3 on the cable going to the beagle
  • [18:52:49] <geckosenator> mayb eyou wired tx and rx backwards
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  • [18:52:57] <ds2> mib_bng53d: okay - let's add some debugging aid... do a "echo "SOMETHING RANDOM AND UNIT" right after the "then" statement
  • [18:53:14] <ds2> reboot and see if you see "SOMETHING RANDOM AND UNIT" on the console
  • [18:53:56] <Tempboogie> its wired 1 to 1
  • [18:53:58] <Tempboogie> i verified it
  • [18:54:10] <Tempboogie> 3 times already
  • [18:54:29] <Tempboogie> pins from db9 to the 10 pin connector are 1 to 1 right?
  • [18:54:38] <Tempboogie> bd rate is 57600
  • [18:54:49] <Tempboogie> flow control is none
  • [18:55:14] <ds2> 115200 please
  • [18:56:15] <mib_bng53d> ds2: I can call it explicitly with a /etc/init.d/script start, and the somethign is printing out and it's working.
  • [18:56:17] <Tempboogie> that didnt do it
  • [18:56:25] <Tempboogie> what is hardware flow?
  • [18:56:29] <Tempboogie> same as flow control?
  • [18:56:32] <mib_bng53d> Is it possibly not sending that parameter upon start?
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  • [18:56:42] <ds2> mib_bng53d: but does it print out anything on boot?
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  • [18:57:05] <geckosenator> are you sure your 10 pin connector isn't backwards?
  • [18:57:09] <eFfeM> Tempboogie: i think 2 needs to go to 3 and the other way around
  • [18:57:10] <mib_bng53d> how can I get that to show, or will it show in terminal?
  • [18:57:24] <Tempboogie> really?
  • [18:57:29] <ds2> mib_bgn53d: it should show on the RS232 port by default
  • [18:57:42] <Tempboogie> the stuff i read on the sites say its 1 to 1
  • [18:57:47] <Tempboogie> i can try it i guess
  • [18:58:39] <eFfeM> Tempboogie: http://www.tincantools.com/assets/BeagleBoard_RS232_Adapter_schematic.pdf
  • [18:58:52] <eFfeM> i made my cable according to that and it is fine
  • [18:58:58] <eFfeM> or you need to use a null modem cable
  • [18:59:34] <eFfeM> 1 to 1 cables are for connecting e.g. a modem to a compu, this is computer <-> computer so 2 and 3 needs to be exchanged
  • [18:59:55] <Tempboogie> lol
  • [18:59:56] <Tempboogie> ok
  • [18:59:59] <Tempboogie> that maybe it
  • [19:00:00] <Tempboogie> thanks
  • [19:00:01] <Tempboogie> i'll try
  • [19:00:05] <eFfeM> np, have fun!
  • [19:00:10] <Tempboogie> its just that the website recommended this cable
  • [19:00:11] <Tempboogie> http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?action=Showitem&partno=07120&rsite=07120
  • [19:00:12] <eFfeM> you can also use a null modem cable
  • [19:00:17] <Tempboogie> and that shows 1 to 1
  • [19:00:25] <Tempboogie> whats a null modem cable?
  • [19:00:46] <eFfeM> a cable with 2 and 3 twisted
  • [19:01:06] <mib_bng53d> ds2: How do I check the RS232?
  • [19:01:23] <eFfeM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem_cable
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  • [19:02:14] <eFfeM> actually only 2, 3 and 5 are interesting for beagle
  • [19:02:19] <eFfeM> (rx, tx, gnd)
  • [19:02:44] <ds2> mib_bng53d: I assume you have a PC or something connected to the serial header?
  • [19:02:56] <mib_bng53d> I actually don't.
  • [19:03:25] <Tempboogie> BOOOOOYAH!
  • [19:03:29] <Tempboogie> it worked
  • [19:03:33] <Tempboogie> thanks EFFEM
  • [19:03:39] <eFfeM> :-)
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  • [19:03:57] <ds2> oh
  • [19:04:03] <ds2> Okay then do this -
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  • [19:04:42] <ds2> change the script so that it does this where I told you to put the echo - "echo "ANOTHER UNIQUE STRING" > /tmp/ScriptOutputCheck
  • [19:04:44] <ds2> "
  • [19:04:49] <ds2> save it then reboot
  • [19:05:08] <ds2> look in /tmp and see if there is a file called "ScriptOutputCheck"
  • [19:06:15] <mib_bng53d> Rebooting now.
  • [19:07:47] <mib_bng53d> There's a file there, and the echo worked.
  • [19:07:57] <ds2> Okay then it is being runned at startup
  • [19:08:07] <ds2> your problem is why your script doesn't do what you want it to do
  • [19:08:27] <ds2> one guess is that angstrom (donno for sure) uses hotplug and you have some hardware that is not available immediately
  • [19:08:43] <ds2> someone needs to pipe up to confirm it
  • [19:09:01] <mib_bng53d> The other option is to have it sleep for some amount of time, right?
  • [19:09:08] <ds2> a quick but ugly hack is to put in something like 'sleep 30' after the echos
  • [19:09:22] <mib_bng53d> Let me try that real quick just to see.
  • [19:09:31] <ds2> yeah... you could try that but like i said, it is an ugly hack...there should be a way to sync with hotplug, I just don't recall it
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  • [19:16:22] <mib_bng53d> I don't see it running the loop, so I added some echos and am rebooting.
  • [19:16:37] <ds2> wonder if true is not in your path
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  • [19:16:55] <geckosenator> anyone have a pico projector they want to sell?
  • [19:17:00] <ds2> try replacing the word 'true' with ':'; true is a binary whereas ':' is a shell command that returns true
  • [19:17:24] <geckosenator> [ is a shell command too
  • [19:17:33] <ds2> [ is not always internal
  • [19:17:37] <ds2> : is always internal
  • [19:17:40] <geckosenator> oh
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  • [19:17:47] <geckosenator> [ is an actual program on disk
  • [19:17:59] <ds2> on some shells, maybe bash, [ is internal but not all
  • [19:18:13] <geckosenator> sometimes you use [ externally anyway
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  • [19:19:17] <mib_bng53d> Here's the odd thing: It makes it to that loop, but I don't see mplayer starting. I'm wondering if there's a bad option in there.
  • [19:19:25] <geckosenator> ds2: are you still designing a netbook?
  • [19:19:33] <ds2> that or you need the full path to the mplayer executable
  • [19:19:37] <ds2> geckosenator: yep
  • [19:19:41] <ds2> tablet actually
  • [19:19:45] <geckosenator> ds2: cool, what screen are you using?
  • [19:19:59] <ds2> geckosenator: I am working on sourcing a 800x600 screen with a LED backlight
  • [19:20:08] <geckosenator> that would be nice
  • [19:20:14] <ds2> the ones I have are too fat and use a CCF bl
  • [19:20:21] <geckosenator> yeah, that is bad
  • [19:20:28] <geckosenator> led is easier, and lighter
  • [19:20:37] <mtc> Interesting MID listed on LinuxDevices today, that runs on a beagleboard
  • [19:20:52] <mtc> oh, that's ds2 's project :)
  • [19:21:01] <ds2> geckosenator: except... I have to buy a new LCD
  • [19:21:07] <ds2> Oh crap? it is there now?
  • [19:21:09] <geckosenator> ds2: I still think I might just get a picoprojector.. I won't have to get a rev C board
  • [19:21:14] <mtc> ds2: what are you using for a graphical user interface?
  • [19:21:27] <ds2> mtc: sakoman's demo build
  • [19:21:39] <ds2> I will eventually get other stuff on there like Android
  • [19:21:58] <mtc> ds2: you've heard about this new Mer project that is coming out of the maemo project?
  • [19:22:21] <ds2> mtc: yep...that's another one I want on there but my problem is Mer isn't completely low screen res friendly :(
  • [19:22:56] <mtc> ah, I see - hopefully Mer gets much more portable soon
  • [19:23:32] <ds2> Mer will run, it just won't quite look right
  • [19:24:14] <mtc> it will run already - interesting
  • [19:24:33] <ds2> Mer has been ported to the BB already... but I think that assumes an LCD monitor
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  • [19:25:16] <ds2> geckosenator: didn't I suggested that a few months ago? :D
  • [19:25:50] <ds2> geckosenator: there is a pico equiv. projector that takes S-Video in so that's another option
  • [19:26:00] <ds2> and I think that has a battery
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  • [19:31:14] <emeb> anyone know how to set resolution on sakoman's daily build? I've tried both 'video=omapfb' and 'omapfb.video_mode=' - neither works
  • [19:32:25] <sakoman_> emeb: erase your u-boot env with nand erase 260000 20000
  • [19:32:53] <emeb> OK - then u-boot will restore it's own?
  • [19:33:02] <sakoman_> yes, on next boot
  • [19:33:16] <sakoman_> then printenv and it will be clear wht to do :-)
  • [19:33:32] <geckosenator> ds2: I think I saw it.. but isn't the s-video lower quality?
  • [19:33:52] <ds2> geckosenator: yes, most definitely but it comes with a battery
  • [19:33:54] <geckosenator> ds2: or would it work just as well? if so then maybe it's better because I can keep the small lcd
  • [19:34:05] <sakoman_> emeb: something like setenv dvimode 1280x960MR-16@60
  • [19:34:05] <geckosenator> I don't care about the battery since it's worth $3
  • [19:34:21] <ds2> *shrug* I like nicely packaged things
  • [19:35:08] <ds2> geckosenator: have you looked in ZigBee as a very low power wireless link?
  • [19:37:26] <emeb> sakoman_: OK - cleared nand & rebooted. Got a higher default resolution & the graphics demos work.
  • [19:38:11] <sakoman_> emeb: excellent! let me know if you run into any other issues
  • [19:38:37] <emeb> Looks like default is 1024x768. I'll try something higher. Thnx!
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  • [19:40:57] <sakoman_> emed: I've been using 1280x960 with good results
  • [19:41:46] <sakoman_> If you have a an external DVD drive you'll be able to play DVD movies
  • [19:43:13] <geckosenator> ds2: not much
  • [19:43:20] <geckosenator> ds2: I don't know what I would use it for
  • [19:43:34] <ds2> geckosenator: interdevice links
  • [19:43:44] <geckosenator> like keyboard mouse?
  • [19:43:49] <ds2> sure
  • [19:43:57] <geckosenator> well I don't know of a zigbee keyboard
  • [19:44:00] <ds2> I was thinking of a 0 power display for the beagle
  • [19:44:08] <geckosenator> oh, no backlight?
  • [19:44:11] <ds2> nope
  • [19:44:18] <geckosenator> it gets it's power over zigbee?
  • [19:44:21] <ds2> 0 power, wireless link to the beagle
  • [19:44:40] <ds2> think of it as a wireless e-ink display for the beagle
  • [19:44:46] <geckosenator> oh
  • [19:44:48] <geckosenator> well it needs power
  • [19:44:49] <ds2> power to update it but none to display
  • [19:44:53] <geckosenator> ok
  • [19:45:01] <geckosenator> can you buy this already?
  • [19:45:03] <ds2> 2 CR2032 or one of those puny Li Ions + inductive charger
  • [19:45:07] <geckosenator> it seems like it would work for more than just hte beagle
  • [19:45:13] <geckosenator> or a super capacitor even
  • [19:45:15] <ds2> no, project I am thinking of
  • [19:45:26] <ds2> super cap lacks sufficent energy
  • [19:45:33] <geckosenator> you can get 150mah lithium batteries
  • [19:45:42] <ds2> how thin?
  • [19:45:54] <ds2> I lost the name of the supplier that had those thin puny batteries
  • [19:45:55] <geckosenator> let me see
  • [19:46:14] <geckosenator> 4mm
  • [19:46:41] <ds2> 4*0.040 so about 0.160 Hmmm I want thinner!
  • [19:46:46] <geckosenator> 10grams
  • [19:46:53] <geckosenator> I'm not sure they make thinner
  • [19:47:24] <geckosenator> also 250mah ones that are 5mm
  • [19:47:43] <ds2> CR2032's are 3.2mm so...
  • [19:47:48] <ds2> remember the Rex?
  • [19:47:55] <geckosenator> no
  • [19:47:56] <ds2> those used 2 CR2025 (2.5mm)
  • [19:48:04] <geckosenator> well that's 5mm
  • [19:48:10] <ds2> no, side by side
  • [19:48:12] <geckosenator> unless you put them next to eachother
  • [19:48:13] <geckosenator> ok
  • [19:48:37] <geckosenator> well it sounds cool.. how big would the screen be?
  • [19:48:46] <ds2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX_6000
  • [19:48:49] <ds2> that thing
  • [19:48:54] <geckosenator> you need to get a zigbee uart module too.. but they are easy to get
  • [19:48:59] <geckosenator> at least easier than bluetooth afaik
  • [19:49:01] <ds2> it'll be small
  • [19:49:20] <geckosenator> well if it could do a text console I'm interested
  • [19:49:46] <geckosenator> does the pico projector take hdmi or mini hdmi?
  • [19:49:51] <ds2> mini HDMI
  • [19:49:55] <geckosenator> oh
  • [19:50:03] <ds2> I think miniturization projects like this would be fun
  • [19:50:05] <geckosenator> so I need an adapter
  • [19:50:30] <ds2> it may come with the cable
  • [19:50:43] <geckosenator> well I'm concerned about weight of the cable
  • [19:50:58] <ds2> Oh you are one of those that will drill out a toothbrush for weight?
  • [19:51:12] <geckosenator> just cut the end off
  • [19:51:19] <geckosenator> so the handle is only 2 inches
  • [19:51:24] <geckosenator> but I don't actually drill into it
  • [19:51:33] <ds2> ah one step back
  • [19:52:08] <geckosenator> I wish I could get a pico for like $200-250.. I would order it today
  • [19:52:48] <geckosenator> where are you going to get your e-ink screen?
  • [19:52:58] <ds2> working on that
  • [19:53:26] <ds2> the way I figure is... power up to update screen, power down, wait for zigbee and repeat
  • [19:53:41] <ds2> maybe have it use cap sense switches so it can be hermetically sealed
  • [19:54:05] <geckosenator> so it works underwater?
  • [19:54:17] <geckosenator> you will need a microprocessor too
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  • [19:54:22] <ds2> yep
  • [19:54:35] <ds2> TI has the 430 and the chipcon stuff for the RF
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  • [19:54:47] <eFfeM> crofton, ping
  • [19:54:55] <geckosenator> oh, you can get the 430 with zigbee?
  • [19:55:15] <ds2> not sure if it is 2 chips or 1 chip but last year they talked about something like that during 430 day
  • [19:55:40] <geckosenator> oh
  • [19:56:55] <ds2> there is a devkit with the chipcon stuff but it doesn't use the zigbee version
  • [19:57:16] <geckosenator> would it have a touchscreen?
  • [19:58:38] <mtc> ds2: planning on having video playback capabilities?
  • [19:59:01] <Crofton> eFfeM, pong
  • [19:59:20] <geckosenator> mtc: yes just with a low frame rate
  • [19:59:22] <mtc> ds2: would you mind porting the ogg theora libraries in your free time? :-)
  • [20:00:14] <eFfeM> crofton, i tried to build wxwidgets 2.8.9, noticed on tinderbox that sometimes it worked for you and sometimes not
  • [20:00:19] <ds2> mtc: no idea... I am more of a kernel/hw guy then userland
  • [20:00:22] <eFfeM> have you by any chance looked into it ?
  • [20:00:29] <ds2> I let all the other great people here do userland
  • [20:00:33] <Crofton> I think there are gcc-4.3 issues
  • [20:00:43] <eFfeM> ah, because it works for openmoko
  • [20:00:44] <ds2> geckosenator: I would like it to but I donno how well it'd work
  • [20:00:46] <Crofton> building for the OSK
  • [20:00:56] <Crofton> haven't had time to debug/fix
  • [20:01:00] <ds2> why would openmoko build for OSK?
  • [20:01:13] <eFfeM> i also noticed you build 2.8.10, but that is not in oe
  • [20:01:17] <eFfeM> the recipe that is
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  • [20:01:52] <Crofton> :)
  • [20:01:58] <Crofton> I haven't commited it :)
  • [20:02:07] <Crofton> I was hopinh it would build for beagle ..
  • [20:02:12] <Crofton> but it did not
  • [20:02:28] <Crofton> I assume you want it for beagle?
  • [20:02:31] <eFfeM> ah, gave it a try myself, didn't work then moved back to 2.8.9 but that gave the same problem
  • [20:02:31] <eFfeM> yes
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  • [20:03:14] <eFfeM> log file says: /home/balister/oe/tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/wxwidgets-2.8.9-r0/wxWidgets-2.8.9/include/wx/gtk/colour.h:30: undefined reference to `wxColour::IsOk() const'
  • [20:03:24] <Downix> ok, giving up on the touchscreen
  • [20:03:26] <Crofton> do you think you can find a gcc-4.3 patch from debian or fedora?
  • [20:03:27] <Downix> just not worth the cost
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  • [20:03:54] <eFfeM> file says: bool IsOk() const { return m_refData != NULL; }
  • [20:04:13] <Downix> 2" regular screen can be had for ~$12, add in a $6 mini-keyboard, all good. Compare to the ~$70 for a 3.5 touchscreen with half of the resolution
  • [20:04:25] <eFfeM> oh grr, think i got it, from the file:
  • [20:04:26] <eFfeM> bool Ok() const { return IsOk(); }
  • [20:04:26] <eFfeM> bool IsOk() const { return m_refData != NULL; }
  • [20:04:36] <eFfeM> might just need to swap those two lines
  • [20:04:48] <Crofton> eFfeM, I think the way forward is to find a distro that uses gcc-4.3 and see what they do
  • [20:05:00] <Crofton> I am hopeful there is a patch we can use
  • [20:06:10] <eFfeM> yeah swapping does not seem to help
  • [20:06:13] <eFfeM> will check debian
  • [20:06:17] <Crofton|work> thanks
  • [20:06:27] <Crofton|work> if you can point me at a patch I'll give it a try
  • [20:06:37] <Crofton|work> I'm working through some paying work atm
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  • [20:08:20] <eFfeM> hope i can find it
  • [20:08:51] <Crofton|work> I haven't figured out an easy way to find fedora or debian patches
  • [20:09:02] <Crofton|work> next time I do, I need to write it down
  • [20:09:08] <Crofton|work> thanks for the help
  • [20:09:19] <eFfeM> finding debian patches is easy
  • [20:09:33] <eFfeM> go to http://packages.debian.org/
  • [20:09:37] <eFfeM> search for the pacakge
  • [20:09:45] <Crofton|work> anyone know how to use eagle?
  • [20:09:51] <eFfeM> at the left side there are patches
  • [20:09:55] <Crofton|work> I need to find where a net goes
  • [20:10:13] <eFfeM> e.g http://packages.debian.org/sid/libwxgtk2.8-0 says http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wxwidgets2.8/wxwidgets2.8_2.8.7.1-1.1.diff.gz
  • [20:11:55] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [20:12:07] <Crofton|work> I think fedora breaks the patches apart by purose
  • [20:12:23] <Crofton|work> I suppose I should look in the source rpm
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  • [20:15:20] <geckosenator> I might try to use emacsspeak on the beagle so I don't need a screen to do basic stuff
  • [20:15:29] <geckosenator> like audio playback, or checking email
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  • [20:44:13] <eFfeM> Crofton found http://lists.wxwidgets.org/pipermail/wx-dev/2007-July/089298.html but running configure with --disable-visibility did not work for me
  • [20:44:51] <eFfeM> it is also suggested not to use -fvisibility-inlines-hidden, not sure if we use it
  • [20:44:52] <eFfeM> conf/distro/include/angstrom-glibc.inc:CXXFLAGS += "-fvisibility-inlines-hidden"
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  • [20:45:13] <eFfeM> and no idea how to disable it in individual recipes
  • [20:45:21] <MostAwesomeDude> #oe is not helpful. Does anybody know how to create custom tasks that work?
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  • [20:45:43] <eFfeM> Crofton calling it a day for now, catch you later
  • [20:45:51] <Crofton> eFfeM, later
  • [20:46:00] <MostAwesomeDude> I've got tasks that RDEPEND on stuff, and an image that DEPENDs and IMAGE_INSTALLs those tasks.
  • [20:46:01] <Crofton> I'll try and look some tomorrow
  • [20:46:07] <eFfeM> tnx
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  • [20:46:14] <MostAwesomeDude> But only the tasks are installed. Their dependencies don't get installed.
  • [20:46:33] <Crofton> MostAwesomeDude, if the guys in #oe aren't asnwering the question, the oe guys here aren't going to answer it either
  • [20:46:45] <Crofton> probably because we are busy
  • [20:47:26] <MostAwesomeDude> Crofton: Understood, but I'm kind of at wit's end.
  • [20:47:38] <Crofton> I guessed that :)
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  • [21:14:24] <Spyro> ?
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  • [21:19:16] <russ> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xreal_engine&num=1
  • [21:19:30] <russ> "With his GLSL renderer for XreaL, he wrote it entirely against the OpenGL 2.0 ES specification"
  • [21:19:57] <russ> does that mean that it can be up and running on beagle?
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  • [21:26:38] <Spyro> can anyone help me identify a connector?
  • [21:26:43] <Spyro> I have pictures...
  • [21:26:56] <Spyro> http://www.mnementh.co.uk/scrapbook/scrapbook
  • [21:27:40] <ds2> what more do you need?
  • [21:29:00] <Spyro> ds2: I have no idea where to begin looking for a connector - I kknow about molex and hirose
  • [21:29:08] <Spyro> but it doesnt seem to be one of theirs
  • [21:30:18] <Spyro> any ideas?
  • [21:32:37] <ds2> what do you need to do with it?
  • [21:43:06] <russ> anyone have any clue what POP_INT0 and POP_INT1 do?
  • [21:43:27] <ds2> pins?
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  • [21:44:34] <russ> ya
  • [21:44:52] <russ> the only reference I can find is that they are related to POP OneNAND, but the beagle doesn't use OneNAND
  • [21:44:56] <russ> but they are wired up anyway
  • [21:45:04] <ds2> wired up to what?
  • [21:45:14] <ds2> the name seem to suggests they are on top for the POP memory
  • [21:45:21] <russ> a GPIO
  • [21:45:25] <ds2> and I think there were a few early beagles with OneNAND
  • [21:45:32] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [21:46:18] <russ> POP_INT0 is hooked to GPIO1, which muxes with CLKREQ
  • [21:46:37] <ds2> *shrug*
  • [21:47:10] <russ> kinda curious if that is why CLKREQ isn't hooked up to the companion chip
  • [21:47:39] <ds2> maybe there was an errata?
  • [21:48:05] <russ> maybe the beagle people didn't care about clock enable/disable
  • [21:48:50] <geckosenator> wow.. arm is evil. they rejected me because I had gmail
  • [21:49:31] <ZeZu> yes and they'll reject you for any public email
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  • [21:49:37] <ZeZu> they want a corp. email address
  • [21:49:41] <geckosenator> why?
  • [21:49:47] <geckosenator> that is a stupid policy
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  • [21:50:15] <ZeZu> that, you would have to ask them
  • [21:50:17] <geckosenator> also it's bad news because I thought the beagle board was actually open
  • [21:50:24] <geckosenator> but the specs to the instruction set are not
  • [21:50:38] <ZeZu> i fought the same battle
  • [21:50:51] <ZeZu> the first thing was just getting an older one and making do
  • [21:50:55] <ZeZu> then a few weeks later with a bit of help
  • [21:50:59] <geckosenator> I might switch to avr32
  • [21:51:02] <ZeZu> i got the ARM:ARM updated
  • [21:51:07] <geckosenator> since their instruction set is better than thumb2 anyway
  • [21:51:18] <ZeZu> is it ?
  • [21:51:22] <geckosenator> I think so
  • [21:51:30] <ZeZu> any powerfull processors though?
  • [21:51:34] <geckosenator> no
  • [21:51:39] <geckosenator> they are less power though
  • [21:51:52] <geckosenator> like 2x less than equivilent arm
  • [21:51:53] <ZeZu> yea, for me anyhow, that is an issue
  • [21:52:00] <geckosenator> yeah I need more power too
  • [21:52:11] <geckosenator> the avr32 are like 150mhz
  • [21:52:34] <ZeZu> for me, the beagle isn't even enough, but it is nice
  • [21:52:51] <ZeZu> I could probably make some reasonable games with it
  • [21:52:51] <geckosenator> what about a quad core version?
  • [21:52:55] <ds2> beagle pack!
  • [21:53:04] <ZeZu> cortex-a9 is a huge go
  • [21:53:16] <geckosenator> ?
  • [21:53:20] <geckosenator> where do I get one?
  • [21:53:22] <ZeZu> (SMP)
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  • [21:53:30] <ZeZu> you dont yet
  • [21:53:34] <ZeZu> unless you've got a lot of money
  • [21:53:38] <geckosenator> how much?
  • [21:54:01] <ZeZu> idk, as much as arm wants for a prototype
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  • [21:54:07] <geckosenator> forget it if it's arm
  • [21:54:10] <ZeZu> or as much as TI wants for a proto of omap4
  • [21:54:10] <geckosenator> I don't like them now
  • [21:54:29] <ZeZu> well if you used an EVM they'd jump to help you
  • [21:54:32] <ZeZu> (i'd imagine)
  • [21:54:39] <geckosenator> evm?
  • [21:54:46] <ZeZu> evaluation board
  • [21:54:54] <ZeZu> beagle is community supported
  • [21:54:57] <ds2> all you need to do is establish your self as a cell phone maker with a huge annual volume. sign a legal document attesting that. sign the NDAs and TI will get you the OMAP4 :D
  • [21:55:00] <ZeZu> but they should have provided some docs for it for sure
  • [21:55:03] <ds2> surely, that's trivial to do ;)
  • [21:55:15] <geckosenator> I don't sign ndas
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  • [21:55:36] <geckosenator> I would make them sign a disclosure agreement instead
  • [21:55:40] <ZeZu> well
  • [21:55:42] <ZeZu> for arm yes
  • [21:55:51] <ZeZu> for ti, i dont think its going to be that bad atm
  • [21:56:01] <ZeZu> it is already released, just production isn't ready yet afaik
  • [21:56:30] <ZeZu> for arm it would be millions
  • [21:56:36] <ZeZu> if not tens or hundreds of millions
  • [21:56:50] <ZeZu> and it would be a license
  • [21:56:59] <ds2> *cough*OMAP2*cough*
  • [21:57:07] <ZeZu> 2?
  • [21:57:36] <ds2> you know...that very public chip that you can get w/o signing away your life</sarcasm>
  • [21:57:45] <ZeZu> ah
  • [21:57:53] <ZeZu> well i'm just hoping (and waiting) for omap4 public board
  • [21:58:11] <uberfry> my bro signed an nda once, he told me everything anyway
  • [21:58:15] <ZeZu> but there is some minor change i'll get to work with cortex-a9 through RIM
  • [21:58:22] <uberfry> it's not the end of the world ;)
  • [21:58:52] <ZeZu> uberfry, thats his decision, but if it leaked further and they traced it and they specify damages and sue it could mean a lot of money ... like more than you'd make in a lifetime :|
  • [21:59:07] <geckosenator> ZeZu: that's crazy
  • [21:59:13] <geckosenator> I would just flee the country
  • [21:59:16] <ZeZu> i'm guessing he figured you wouldn't say anything
  • [21:59:23] <russ> NDAs are fine and don't damage you to abide by them
  • [21:59:25] <uberfry> lol
  • [21:59:32] <ZeZu> indeed
  • [21:59:33] <russ> just never sign a non-solicit or non-compete
  • [21:59:38] <ZeZu> yes!
  • [21:59:49] <ZeZu> non-compete = you just dont have anything else to do with it
  • [21:59:57] <geckosenator> russ: ndas damage other people when you sign them not yourself
  • [22:00:11] <russ> or the crap where they claim that they own anything you think of while working for them
  • [22:00:21] <uberfry> so you guys know openpandora, right?
  • [22:00:22] <geckosenator> russ: yeah, that's crazy stuff
  • [22:00:24] <ZeZu> nda's are needed in some cases, thats just the way it is
  • [22:00:30] <ZeZu> uberfry, yea i have a pandora board here
  • [22:00:34] <uberfry> ic
  • [22:00:41] <uberfry> what do you think the chances of success are?
  • [22:00:42] <russ> geckosenator: NDAs don't harm anyone, the alternative would be not releasing any informatino
  • [22:01:04] <geckosenator> russ: the alternative is releasing all the information
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  • [22:02:15] <ZeZu> chances of success on what ?
  • [22:02:22] <ZeZu> they already have the hardware done
  • [22:02:27] <ZeZu> cases are finalized now
  • [22:02:35] <ZeZu> fcc testing needs to be done i guess
  • [22:02:41] <ZeZu> and assembly / more testing
  • [22:02:57] <ZeZu> but i really dont know much more than what is on the site public anyhow
  • [22:03:30] <uberfry> yeah but I mean
  • [22:03:36] <uberfry> you think it's gonna blow some minds?
  • [22:03:37] <russ> ZeZu: do they have a battery?
  • [22:04:18] <ds2> <uberfry> you think it's gonna blow some minds?
  • [22:04:18] <ds2> <russ> ZeZu: do they have a battery?
  • [22:04:21] <ds2> Hmmmmmm
  • [22:04:21] <ZeZu> russ, the release ones do, the dev boards do not but i think you can wire one up
  • [22:04:42] <ZeZu> uberfry, blow minds? well it is nice hardware and they do have a community ... and we already know about the beagle
  • [22:05:02] <ZeZu> the community there is very emulator driven as well as multimedia
  • [22:05:15] <uberfry> yeah but will it really make up for the time?
  • [22:05:19] <ZeZu> so you add decent hardware it can emulate much more, a touchscreen w/ a reasonable resolution ...
  • [22:05:21] <uberfry> the delays I mean
  • [22:05:25] <ZeZu> i dont know
  • [22:05:32] <ZeZu> the board i have is junk really
  • [22:05:39] <ZeZu> very sad
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  • [22:05:43] <ZeZu> no wifi no usb
  • [22:06:07] <ds2> what WiFi did Open Pandora settle on?
  • [22:06:16] <ZeZu> uh
  • [22:06:21] <ZeZu> i dont know tbh
  • [22:06:28] <ZeZu> i didn't look into it since it didn't work
  • [22:06:29] <uberfry> lol
  • [22:06:35] <russ> and won't nokia have an omap3 based thing?
  • [22:06:36] <ZeZu> its TI made i think
  • [22:06:43] <uberfry> I suppose wifi will be a battery killer?
  • [22:06:45] <ZeZu> since it has TIWLAN driver message
  • [22:07:00] <ds2> Hmmm open source drivers for the TI WiFi?
  • [22:07:02] <russ> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
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  • [22:08:30] <ZeZu> i dont know if the drivers are open
  • [22:08:35] <ZeZu> i would hope so
  • [22:08:43] <ZeZu> there is an OE overlay
  • [22:08:47] <ZeZu> so i'm guessing yes
  • [22:08:58] <ZeZu> unless there is a binary its grabbing from somewhere
  • [22:12:12] <russ> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7324374331.html <- beagle mid
  • [22:13:14] <ZeZu> dumb question, wth does MID stand for anyhow ?
  • [22:13:43] <ZeZu> mobile i. dev/desktop ?
  • [22:14:35] <russ> probably mobile internet device
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  • [22:15:14] <ZeZu> ah i guess that would make sense
  • [22:15:21] <ZeZu> i fail when it comes to the obvious
  • [22:15:24] <ds2> Mobile Internet Device
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  • [22:16:59] <ds2> I wish people would ask for permission to use pictures
  • [22:19:49] <ZeZu> they'll just claim fair use
  • [22:20:46] <kleinjt> at least they aren't hotlinking :)
  • [22:20:50] <russ> ds2: who used what picture?
  • [22:21:00] <ds2> I think fair use would require crediting directly the source
  • [22:21:09] <ds2> russ: they did. those are my pictures. it is my unit.
  • [22:23:03] <ds2> I don't mind so much; I just wanted to know ahead of itme
  • [22:23:06] <ZeZu> want to build me a bigger much better looking one ? :)
  • [22:23:19] <ZeZu> w/ a hub built-in
  • [22:23:23] <ds2> a little note like, "btw - URL" would be suffice
  • [22:23:25] <ds2> go for it!
  • [22:23:36] <ds2> add WiFi too
  • [22:23:42] <ZeZu> indeed !
  • [22:24:07] <ZeZu> too bad my skills are limited there
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  • [22:24:33] <ZeZu> even the expansion board is out of my range, i do software, i've never tried anything with hardware other than a few mods
  • [22:24:52] <ds2> spec a board, find the customers and i'll build it for you and you can take all teh credit for it :D
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  • [22:26:52] <ZeZu> can't compete w/ <$300 netbooks
  • [22:27:06] <ds2> true but this will be fully customizeable
  • [22:27:13] <ZeZu> just beagle + touch screen + wifi will be > $300
  • [22:27:24] <ds2> EH?
  • [22:27:24] <ZeZu> that doesn't include your board
  • [22:27:38] <ds2> beagle + TS + LCD + WiFi < $300!
  • [22:27:48] <ZeZu> what TS/LCD ?
  • [22:27:51] <ZeZu> 4.3" ?
  • [22:27:52] <ZeZu> psp ?
  • [22:27:55] <ds2> 4.3, WQVGA
  • [22:28:03] <ZeZu> yaya find me 7"+
  • [22:28:39] <ZeZu> i'll find some chinese company to do the plastics chaep i'm sure
  • [22:28:41] <ds2> I have 7"+ displays
  • [22:28:54] <ZeZu> me too, they are full size lcd monitors :)
  • [22:28:54] <ds2> for low volume the import plastics aren't that cheap
  • [22:29:00] <ds2> no, I have panels
  • [22:29:08] <ZeZu> + TS for that size ?
  • [22:29:21] <ds2> I think these are either 6ish or 7iners
  • [22:29:25] <ZeZu> and pricing ?
  • [22:29:35] <ds2> one of them was ~$10
  • [22:29:43] <ZeZu> b/c i can get a 7in lcd fairly cheap but when you find the TS for it, they cost more
  • [22:29:54] <ZeZu> DX has some for ~$50
  • [22:30:00] <russ> ds2: hey, then they could have actually spec'd it right and mentioned that its a revc with 256MB ram
  • [22:30:20] <ds2> russ: heh... half of the stuff they have is not quite right
  • [22:30:36] <ds2> ZeZu: that's with controller... controllers are a $2.50 item
  • [22:30:43] <ds2> no need for the USB crap on a BB
  • [22:31:41] <ZeZu> ds2, but that isn't w/ the TS correct?
  • [22:32:01] <ZeZu> if you can manage a 7" w/ TS for $20 it would be a smash hit
  • [22:32:07] <ZeZu> or 8"
  • [22:32:28] <ZeZu> controller aside the film i dont find anywhere cheap
  • [22:32:46] <russ> I wonder if it would be difficult to gut an OLPC and replace the guts with a beagle
  • [22:33:07] <ZeZu> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12561
  • [22:33:14] <ZeZu> $36
  • [22:33:16] <ZeZu> 7"
  • [22:33:20] <ZeZu> no controller
  • [22:33:26] <ds2> russ: easier to start from scratch
  • [22:33:41] <ds2> ZeZu: not at the volumes we want to think about
  • [22:33:44] <russ> probably, but you get a nice case
  • [22:33:54] <ds2> BAH, make your own case
  • [22:33:59] <ds2> it isn't like it is that hard
  • [22:34:05] <ZeZu> actually
  • [22:34:13] <ZeZu> it does come w/ the controller maybe
  • [22:34:23] <ds2> right and that controller is not that useful for the BB
  • [22:34:44] <ds2> if a case is all you need, I can help you with that
  • [22:34:50] <ZeZu> ok well it can be done w/ a different one
  • [22:35:26] <ds2> the trick, IMO, is to do a tablet with a cap sense touch screen AND keep it under $50 for the touch sense + LCD
  • [22:35:35] <mib_txq68i> Hey guys, I use mplayer to play video, it gives me 'couldn't open the X11 display()!' Where could the break be?
  • [22:35:37] <ZeZu> yes
  • [22:35:49] <ds2> mib_txq68i: is DISPLAY set?
  • [22:36:54] <ds2> ZeZu: for resistive sense, $50 shouldn't be that hard to do
  • [22:37:12] <mib_txq68i> ds2: not sure what you mean by DISPLAY set, plse explain
  • [22:37:15] <ds2> esp. if you are willing to accept bad battery life + thick stuff
  • [22:37:29] <ds2> I'll defer to someone else to explain X11
  • [22:41:24] <ZeZu> ds2, capacitive is by far preferred of course
  • [22:41:33] <ZeZu> and battery life is always an issue
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  • [22:43:46] <ZeZu> ds2, where did you find the $10 7" panel and what res. is it ?
  • [22:43:47] <mib_z8vih1> I have a working kernel for rev B of the beagleboard, but for some reason it doesn't boot on rev C. It gets stuck after "booting the kernel". Anyone know what specific changes that need to be added for it to boot ?
  • [22:43:50] <ZeZu> 800x600 ?
  • [22:43:56] <ds2> 640x480, IIRC
  • [22:44:04] <ZeZu> useable if its $10
  • [22:44:11] <ZeZu> where can i find one of them at ?
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  • [22:44:22] <ZeZu> and what interface does it take ?
  • [22:44:28] <ds2> sorry, $6 panel
  • [22:44:34] <ds2> http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/LCD-104/640-X-480-LCD-W/-CCFL-BACKLIGHT-AND-INVERTER/-/1.html
  • [22:44:56] <ds2> I did say ~7... not exactly 7"
  • [22:45:18] <ds2> keep in mind it is thick, I think almost 0.750 at some points
  • [22:46:10] <ZeZu> for that price i can deal with it
  • [22:46:26] <ZeZu> I need one for testing purposes
  • [22:46:40] <ds2> have fun wiring it up
  • [22:46:54] <ZeZu> ack
  • [22:46:55] <ZeZu> yea
  • [22:46:55] <ZeZu> :|
  • [22:47:00] <ZeZu> and it has a huge frame on it
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  • [22:50:08] <ds2> but it is cheap ;)
  • [22:51:41] <russ> anyone have any clue why in the TWL4030 manual, the SLEEP->ON transition is described as "When the system goes to SLEEP state from ACTIVE state..."
  • [22:51:57] <russ> "it executes the ACTIVE-to-SLEEP transition"
  • [22:52:28] <ZeZu> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18355
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  • [22:53:43] <russ> and conversely, the SLEEP->OFF transition is described as "When the system goes to ACTIVE state from SLEEP state..."
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  • [22:59:14] <mib_z8vih1> mmm anyone got any hints to why the kernel 2.6.27 hangs on rev C bootup and not rev B?
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  • [23:28:30] <coreyfro> Any gentoo guru's here? Trying to get DISTCC working between my BB and my workstation
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  • [23:40:10] <ali_as> mib_z8vih1, might be a pin mux issue, try searching the logs for a discussion of this.
  • [23:42:24] <mib_z8vih1> ali_as: ok thanks i'll check the discussion group.. hopefully i can get it to boot, i can use the extra memory on rev C =)
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  • [23:44:18] <Russ> mib_z8vih1: you could try a newer kernel
  • [23:45:14] <mib_z8vih1> russ: =( doing this for work and the client doesn't want to shift kernel versions.
  • [23:45:38] <ali_as> Does he want a working product?
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  • [23:47:49] <mib_z8vih1> ali_as: yea, they want to stick with the ti l25.6 kernel (2.6.27) which is causing me alot of grief. already spent alot of time hammering at the omap_disp_out.c and omap_fb.c to get beagle to work.
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  • [23:48:31] <ali_as> Why do they care which kernel it is?
  • [23:49:05] <mib_z8vih1> ali_as: they want to update eaily with each version of the ti wireless gropu releases that happens every month
  • [23:49:38] <ali_as> Ok, and thats not completely insane in any way.
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  • [23:50:23] <mib_z8vih1> ali_as: i got everything working on B4 beagleboard. But with android and the dsp codecs its consuming too much memory and cannot allocate overlay buffers in liboverlay (ti/omap3)
  • [23:50:37] <Russ> mib_z8vih1: why not at least test a newer kernel to see if that is in fact the problem
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  • [23:51:07] <mib_z8vih1> russ: you got a point =). I'll try that now, any version you recommend? or just pull latest from linux-omap?
  • [23:51:26] <Russ> I would try 2.6.28 as 2.6.29 has some USB issues
  • [23:51:43] <Russ> but I don't have a revc
  • [23:52:18] <mib_z8vih1> russ: ok thanks, i'll give that a try.
  • [23:53:21] <ds2> HE HE HE
  • [23:53:34] <ds2> I don't think it is a pinmux issue
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  • [23:54:05] <ds2> unless the ti tree changed too many things
  • [23:54:55] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: i notice the TI tree did a pull back in 10/21 from linux-omap.. but they did change quite a bit of stuff especially in display and power management
  • [23:55:10] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: and the dsp bridge
  • [23:55:30] <ds2> I have looked at this problem
  • [23:55:36] <GregorR> How nice is Digi-Key about replacing faulty boards?
  • [23:56:25] <ds2> mib_z8vih1: there are more things different then that
  • [23:57:14] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: if indeed the linux-omap kernel boot from the bb. What do you recommend is the best way to troubleshoot this. I'm not an expert in kernel debugging -_-
  • [23:57:44] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: to try to get the TI kernel to work on rev C of the beagleboard
  • [23:57:49] <ds2> The best way is you write a contract for me to get it to work.
  • [23:57:52] <ds2> (You asked.)
  • [23:58:00] <mib_z8vih1> lol
  • [23:58:43] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: true true. but kinda budget limited atm with this particular client -_-
  • [23:58:55] <ds2> limited budget == limited progress
  • [23:59:16] <mib_z8vih1> ds2: yea i know what u mean.. which puts me kinda in the hot seat :s
  • [23:59:38] <ds2> I'd be happy to help but it comes at a price of course =)
  • [23:59:59] <Crofton|work> GregorR, email the list with your problem