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  • [00:37:09] <dcordes_> koen: what's up in brazil these days?
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  • [00:40:57] <ramiro> dcordes_: unbearable heat.
  • [00:44:14] <dcordes_> ramiro: you are in brazil too?
  • [00:44:48] <ramiro> dcordes_: yep...
  • [00:49:57] <dcordes_> ramiro: I've got a deal to offer: unbearable heat vs semi cold rainy weather
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  • [00:57:57] <bkero> .wub 41
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  • [01:12:30] <dcordes_> bkero: yea
  • [01:12:47] <bkero> Hand was on the wrong place of the keyboard
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  • [09:36:33] <DDevine> I don't mean to be rude or whatever - but I'm pimping my SheevaPlug channel. (I'm a fan of the BB btw) #sheevaplug
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  • [11:15:52] <dasnake> hello all
  • [11:22:33] <dasnake> I'm still fighting with dvi output on a samsung M86/R86 hdtv
  • [11:22:38] <dasnake> I'm trying mru kernel now
  • [11:22:52] <dasnake> no display, but the behaviour of the kernel is quite weird
  • [11:22:59] <dasnake> I suspect I did something wrong
  • [11:23:11] <dasnake> regardless of what I try to specify via bootargs
  • [11:23:25] <dasnake> it try 640-480-61
  • [11:23:36] <dasnake> and in the dmesg there's loops of
  • [11:23:48] <dasnake> OMAPFB: ioctl QUERY_MEM
  • [11:23:48] <dasnake> OMAPFB: ioctl QUERY_PLANE
  • [11:23:48] <dasnake> OMAPFB: ioctl SETUP_PLANE
  • [11:23:50] <dasnake> ...
  • [11:23:59] <dasnake> omap-dss DISPC: GO LCD
  • [11:24:02] <dasnake> LCD?
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  • [11:58:07] <ali_as> dasnake, it is quite early for the people in this channel to be active, you might want to wait till a little later.
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  • [11:59:43] <koen> dasnake: there was an email on the list on how you could poke proper 720p timings into the DSS using sysfs
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  • [12:05:47] <dasnake> koen, DSS or DSS2?
  • [12:06:03] <koen> into the DSS block using DSS2 sysfs nodes
  • [12:06:35] <dasnake> I thought to had read all the relevant ml posts but I must had skip this one
  • [12:07:06] <dasnake> do you remember which kernel/patchset is involved? so I'll launch the compilation in the meantime ..
  • [12:13:53] <koen> the sysfs method works with the standard angstrom kernel
  • [12:14:37] <dasnake> from the demo image?
  • [12:15:19] <dasnake> anyhow I feel quite dumb, I cannot find the ml post you are referring to
  • [12:16:02] <eFfeM> koen, hi!
  • [12:16:09] <eFfeM> had a good flight? nice weather ?
  • [12:16:31] <eFfeM> finally found why cdrkit does not work, stupid cmake
  • [12:17:35] <eFfeM> cmake generates a few exe's to determine alignment, those do not work and instead of giving an error it takes some default
  • [12:17:45] <eFfeM> which is ofc wrong
  • [12:18:09] <koen> heh
  • [12:18:29] * koen turns on the fan
  • [12:18:43] <koen> it's quite hot in brazil compared to .nl
  • [12:18:55] <eFfeM> not surprised
  • [12:19:02] <eFfeM> what is the local time over there
  • [12:19:13] <koen> 9:17
  • [12:19:42] <koen> in the morning
  • [12:19:49] <eFfeM> 6 hr diff with here
  • [12:20:00] <eFfeM> same tz as NY
  • [12:20:01] <koen> 4 :)
  • [12:20:18] <eFfeM> lol yes, 9 + 4 = 13
  • [12:23:37] <eFfeM> koen is there a good way to deal with endianness ? cmake wants to execute a prog to define if bitfields are HTOL or LTOH
  • [12:24:05] <koen> OE has a 'macro' for it
  • [12:24:08] <dasnake> koen, sorry to bother you, but could you point me the ml post you are referring to? I cannot find anything about using dss2 sysfs nodes to tweak timing
  • [12:24:28] <eFfeM> koen, for bitfields too, or only for endianness ?
  • [12:24:59] <koen> CFLAGS = "${@[' -D_BIG_ENDIAN', ' -D_LITTLE_ENDIAN'][bb.data.getVar('SITEINFO_ENDIANESS', d, 1) == 'le']}"
  • [12:25:20] <koen> I used something like that for gnash
  • [12:25:37] <eFfeM> koen, will check
  • [12:25:47] <eFfeM> koen: shouldn't you be here: http://www.bay.tv/baycams/2093.php
  • [12:25:59] <eFfeM> please wave :-)
  • [12:26:32] <koen> rio is a bit far away :)
  • [12:26:51] <eFfeM> koen that cflags are for byte order not bitfield order
  • [12:27:01] <eFfeM> don't you have all day ?
  • [12:27:28] <eFfeM> i could say that bigendion is bitfileds htol and le is ltoh bitfields
  • [12:27:34] <koen> the plan is to head to the conference location (60km south of recife) in the afternoon
  • [12:27:57] * koen is waiting for the brazilians to wake up
  • [12:28:09] <eFfeM> ah ok, have a safe journey and have fun!
  • [12:29:40] <koen> also, goat tastes like beef :)
  • [12:32:08] <eFfeM> good to know; another friend of mine in thailand mailed me a few days ago that crickets tasted like some form of potato chips :-)
  • [12:32:20] * eFfeM prefers chips above crickets
  • [12:32:59] <eFfeM> btw opkg upgrade cdrtools hangs forever, roughly found the location where it does, need to add more debugging
  • [12:33:58] <eFfeM> yeah, cdrkit works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • [12:34:05] <koen> eFfeM: http://groups.google.com/group/opkg-devel/browse_thread/thread/deff36d7029c8ac2#
  • [12:34:27] <eFfeM> btw why have we opkg instead of dpkg, the packaging is about the same
  • [12:34:37] <koen> opkg = dpkg + apt
  • [12:34:50] <koen> and apt requires a shitload (few MB) or support tools
  • [12:34:53] <koen> and perl
  • [12:35:12] <eFfeM> ah ok, understood; but opkg has some "issues"
  • [12:35:22] <koen> the plan is to switch to .deb + apt for angstrom devices that have enough space for it
  • [12:36:06] <eFfeM> actually tried to install debian on a spare card yesterday, but apparently all kbd's in the house were ps2 not usb so had to give up
  • [12:36:19] <koen> I suspect a lot of opkg bugs will get fixed if someone updates its libusybox copy
  • [12:36:53] <eFfeM> usb host with the new 4GB card did not give me the same problem as the previous one although they are both the same brand and type
  • [12:36:59] <eFfeM> but the new one gave usb error -110
  • [12:37:09] <eFfeM> koen, true
  • [12:38:35] <florian> hi all
  • [12:38:41] <eFfeM> hi florian
  • [12:38:43] <koen> hey florian
  • [12:39:09] <florian> koen: I guess we should try to get rid of its copy completely
  • [12:39:38] <eFfeM> btw also tried a few other things: running the debian wodim; this required libcap2 which in turn required libattr, which would not build because there was some _( ...) construct where our compiler thought _ is a function name
  • [12:40:01] <eFfeM> and also could not get cmake to build for the target :-( (tried a target compile for wodim as a starter)
  • [12:40:08] <koen> florian: that's what I've been saying for years :)
  • [12:40:41] * koen is still looking for volunteers to patch opkg insto busybox
  • [12:40:57] <florian> eFfeM: cmake sucks badly for crosscompiling
  • [12:41:34] <eFfeM> yeah, found that,:-(
  • [12:41:39] <florian> eFfeM: Sometimes it might be easier to convert projects to autotools ;)
  • [12:41:43] <eFfeM> took me quite some time
  • [12:41:57] <eFfeM> hmm; i'm not too good in autotools
  • [12:42:27] <koen> no one is, people copy everything from an ur-autotools script
  • [12:42:34] <florian> I'm quite fast with this, but the overhead for bigger projects is too much usually.
  • [12:42:52] <florian> koen: right
  • [12:44:08] <eFfeM> anyone knows how to deal with this:
  • [12:44:09] <eFfeM> printf(stderr,
  • [12:44:09] <eFfeM> _("Only one of -s, -g, -r, or -l allowed\n"));
  • [12:44:17] <eFfeM> the _( puzzles me
  • [12:44:26] <koen> gettext macro
  • [12:44:34] <eFfeM> ty
  • [12:44:38] <koen> DEFINE _(foo) gettext(foo)
  • [12:44:56] <koen> for translation stuff
  • [12:45:34] <eFfeM> i can just add that DEINE to the bb file ?
  • [12:46:04] <eFfeM> DEFINE
  • [12:46:14] <eFfeM> or should i go for EXTRA_OECONF = "--enable-gettext=no"
  • [12:46:57] <florian> koen: Maybe we should start something about useful ideas in the wiki :)
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  • [12:50:06] <koen> raster: in .br?
  • [12:50:29] <koen> eFfeM: that define should already be in the source
  • [12:50:30] <raster> koen: booyah!
  • [12:50:49] <raster> koen: yup. but havent made it down to summerville yet
  • [12:50:53] <raster> in beach class
  • [12:51:10] <koen> I'm at rodrigo's place
  • [12:51:14] <raster> seems igor kind of forgot i was arriving at 2am...
  • [12:51:33] <koen> ouch
  • [12:51:43] <raster> doesnt matter - woke him up and called him
  • [12:51:45] <raster> :)
  • [12:51:51] <florian> koen: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/GoodIdeas
  • [12:52:00] <raster> koen: you going down today?
  • [12:52:09] <koen> raster: AIUI the bus to sommerville leaves at 1400
  • [12:52:18] <raster> from where?
  • [12:52:27] <koen> that I don't know :)
  • [12:52:32] <koen> I suspect the beachclass
  • [12:53:07] <raster> all i know is that there will be a bus that will cart me - and i presume others - to summerville today
  • [12:53:25] <raster> but in traditional brazilian style.. when other than "today" is a mystery
  • [12:54:00] <eFfeM> koen the define is in config.h.in~ but does not make it to config.h.in or config.h
  • [12:54:08] <raster> koen: i guss then .. we sit.. and wait
  • [12:54:32] <raster> i need to check out by 12 anyway
  • [12:54:56] <koen> eFfeM: cmake or autotools?
  • [12:54:59] <eFfeM> koen, raster, what is the portuguese for manana?
  • [12:55:13] <raster> what is manana?
  • [12:55:18] <koen> 'tomorrow'
  • [12:55:21] <eFfeM> tomorrow in spanish
  • [12:55:22] <raster> oooh
  • [12:55:32] <koen> or a moldy banana
  • [12:55:39] <eFfeM> lol
  • [12:55:48] <eFfeM> koen autotools, and i did an inherit autotools
  • [12:55:49] <raster> ama??a
  • [12:55:58] <suihkulokki> you should have answered "I'll tell you tomorrow.. or maybe later"
  • [12:56:11] <raster> i thought u were asking the portuguese translation of an english word
  • [12:58:38] <eFfeM> Hey, I just found the most useful and important page of the web!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • [12:58:40] <eFfeM> http://everything2.com/title/How%2520to%2520say%2520%2522beer%2522%2520in%2520several%2520languages
  • [12:59:08] <eFfeM> btw added a do_configure and the problem went away
  • [13:00:24] <koen> eFfeM: do_configure() {oe_runconf} ?
  • [13:00:50] <eFfeM> export LIBTOOL="${STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE}/${HOST_SYS}-libtool"
  • [13:00:50] <eFfeM> export DEBUG="-DNDEBUG"
  • [13:00:50] <eFfeM> oe_runconf
  • [13:01:10] <eFfeM> not sure if the exports are needed but they were in xfsprogs too (and libattr comes from the same site)
  • [13:01:59] <eFfeM> and i did EXTRA_OECONF = "--enable-gettext=no"
  • [13:02:00] <eFfeM> which was also the way xfsprogs did it; guess it will also make the image smaller
  • [13:02:58] <koen> eFfeM: config.h not getting created is usually a sign of broken autotools
  • [13:03:21] <eFfeM> koen, i'm not too good in autotools
  • [13:03:35] <koen> using a do_configure like you did stops OE from regenerating it, avoiding the breakage
  • [13:04:08] <koen> if it's a library, try inheriting autotools_stage, saves you from writing your own do_stage :)
  • [13:04:29] <eFfeM> it is a lib
  • [13:04:55] <eFfeM> keep the do_configure ?
  • [13:05:00] <koen> yes
  • [13:05:23] <eFfeM> testing 1-2-3
  • [13:06:16] <eFfeM> btw libcap2: i was planning to add it with preference -1, ok ?
  • [13:06:24] <eFfeM> not too sure if it will not break anything
  • [13:06:40] <eFfeM> then ask the mailing list for opinion
  • [13:06:57] <koen> default pref is only usefull when there is more than one version in OE
  • [13:07:12] <eFfeM> there is: libcap1
  • [13:07:34] <eFfeM> the recipe is called libcap, somehow they added the major version nr to the lib file
  • [13:07:39] <eFfeM> btw the libattr build says:
  • [13:07:40] <eFfeM> NOTE: Couldn't find shared library provider for libattr.so.1
  • [13:08:25] <koen> libcap1 and libcap2 are parallel installable
  • [13:08:46] <koen> libcap1 has libcap.so.1 and libcap2 has libcap.so.2
  • [13:08:55] <eFfeM> hm, it existss in .libs but nowhere else
  • [13:09:22] <koen> "NOTE: Couldn't find shared library provider for libattr.so.1" means "this links against libattr, but I can't find it in any package"
  • [13:09:37] <koen> it's a warning for the automagic dependency resolver for shared libs
  • [13:09:38] <eFfeM> this one should build libattr !
  • [13:10:46] <eFfeM> koen wrt libcap: issue is that the bb file for 1 is called libcap_1.10.bb so I added locally libcap_2.16.bb but that means that .so.1 does not get build
  • [13:10:51] <eFfeM> any more
  • [13:11:14] <koen> if it has a different SO version you can call the 2.16 one libcap2_2.16.bb
  • [13:11:23] <eFfeM> ah ok
  • [13:11:49] <eFfeM> koen not sure if I need it, i only made it because debian cdrkit used it
  • [13:12:04] <eFfeM> but oe cdrkit happily hums along with libcap1
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  • [13:12:47] <koen> Ah, I spot movement
  • [13:13:14] <eFfeM> cdrkit works; i checked it in 30 minutes ago
  • [13:13:34] <koen> eFfeM: btw, I taught rodrigo that PSV is short for philips sport club :)
  • [13:13:48] <eFfeM> but as I looked at libattr and libcap2 I might as well add those recipes
  • [13:13:51] <eFfeM> koen :-)
  • [13:13:57] <eFfeM> will tell my kids
  • [13:14:14] <koen> "yes, philips as in that dvd player"
  • [13:14:39] <eFfeM> he didn't know what ?
  • [13:14:44] <eFfeM> you met him in the plane ?
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  • [13:15:08] <koen> I'm staying at his place and there was a ronaldo special on the tv
  • [13:15:20] <eFfeM> ah, nice
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  • [13:16:05] <eFfeM> he's not in the UK?
  • [13:16:42] <koen> AIUI ronaldo started playing again after a year of doing nothing and getting fat
  • [13:17:11] <eFfeM> yeah, if he has nothing do do he only eats & drinks :-)
  • [13:17:12] * koen doesn't really follow socccer
  • [13:17:23] * eFfeM neither, but my 2 kids do
  • [13:18:09] <koen> DJWillis: your patch is ok to go in, but I'm without my OE mail atm, so I can't ack it
  • [13:18:23] <koen> (nor download it in a way that doesn't mangle whitespace)
  • [13:20:07] <eFfeM> hm. libattr makefile only says it is making libattr.la
  • [13:20:22] <eFfeM> LTLIBRARY = libattr.la
  • [13:23:10] <koen> if it's in .libs you could try using oe_libinstall
  • [13:23:32] * koen never used oe_libinstall himself, but other people are quite for of it
  • [13:23:58] <eFfeM> ofter oe_runmake install or before or in place of ?
  • [13:26:05] <koen> after
  • [13:27:44] <eFfeM> trying, installed in both ${D}/lib and $(STAGING_LIB_DIR} assuming no typo here
  • [13:27:52] <eFfeM> copied from another recipe
  • [13:27:57] <Crofton> gm
  • [13:28:11] <eFfeM> Crofton gm
  • [13:28:23] <koen> hey Crofton
  • [13:28:41] <Crofton> finally had a little snow yesterday
  • [13:28:48] <Crofton> made things much better
  • [13:28:52] <eFfeM> libattr.a does not exist
  • [13:29:51] <eFfeM> koen, don't tell Crofton where you are :-)
  • [13:30:01] <eFfeM> it'll make him jealous :-)
  • [13:30:27] <koen> if I was in colombia I could have made a politically incorrect snow joke
  • [13:30:37] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:30:41] <koen> and crofton is on a skit rip :)
  • [13:30:43] <koen> ehm
  • [13:30:45] <koen> ski trip
  • [13:30:45] <Crofton> it is 76F at home
  • [13:31:41] <Crofton> apparently I am not supposed to do any jibbing and bobbing on any resort fixtures, unless they are specifically for that
  • [13:31:52] <Crofton> I do not even know what that is
  • [13:32:43] <koen> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jibbing
  • [13:33:08] <eFfeM> koen, it now builds fine, had removed autotools_stage and replaced with autotools and an own stage copy
  • [13:33:22] <Crofton> ah
  • [13:33:25] <eFfeM> hope it suffices, but will check it in; as it is new it won't break a thing'
  • [13:33:38] <Crofton> I would do that, but I would most likely hurt myself
  • [13:35:18] <koen> ENOGUARANA
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  • [13:36:37] * koen realizes he had 4 beers, deep fried cheese balls, beansoup and a chunk of goat meat for approx. 8 euros
  • [13:36:50] <Nichod> not bad.
  • [13:37:26] <koen> I forgot that 1 real!= 1 euro yesterday :)
  • [13:38:19] * koen spots more movement, people are waking up
  • [13:38:50] <raster> koen: bode!
  • [13:39:08] <raster> koen: /3
  • [13:39:24] <raster> :)
  • [13:39:28] <koen> yes, the restaurant/bar was called bode :)
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  • [13:45:38] <raster> koen: i know it well enough :)
  • [13:45:48] <raster> koen: .br is cheap for cervejas
  • [13:46:36] <Nichod> how capable is beagle board?
  • [13:46:49] <Nichod> could i play starcraft 2 for instance?
  • [13:47:15] <Nichod> or sc
  • [13:48:38] <koen> is there a proper arm port of starcraft 2?
  • [13:49:24] <Nichod> no...so it does have to be arm based?
  • [13:49:32] <Nichod> i'm guessing that wine couldn't run then
  • [13:49:36] <raster> there is a port of starcraft2 at all?
  • [13:49:39] <raster> someone leaked the src?
  • [13:50:33] <Nichod> no. just curious on how likely it would be possible.
  • [13:50:37] <koen> raster: aloisio says that the bus leaves the indt office at 14:00
  • [13:50:47] <keesj> hdfury worked right?
  • [13:50:51] <raster> wine == "wine is NOT an emulator"
  • [13:51:00] <koen> wine runs on arm
  • [13:51:08] <koen> but not in the way people expect :)
  • [13:51:12] <raster> it is simplyan implementation of the normal windows dll's and services + coff binary handling functionality
  • [13:51:20] <koen> it's a (re)implementation of the windows API
  • [13:51:36] <raster> koen: my guess is therewill be some separate thing for me
  • [13:51:39] <raster> i shoul dcall igor
  • [13:52:20] <raster> as i dont think going to the indt offices with everything in tow seems lik a smart idea
  • [13:52:20] <raster> :)
  • [13:52:31] <koen> if google is right we should pass beachclass on the way to indt, but I don't know how full rodrigos car is
  • [13:53:01] <raster> i doubt thats the plan
  • [13:53:04] <raster> i'll ping igor
  • [13:53:16] <raster> btw
  • [13:53:19] <raster> dont trust sms's
  • [13:53:31] <raster> i have found them to be unreliable at best when roaming here
  • [13:54:51] <koen> I think they are also about 1 euro a piece for me :)
  • [13:55:51] <koen> I'm starting to think that a chronological narrative wasn't the best idea for my talk
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  • [13:56:39] <raster> aha
  • [13:56:56] <koen> since the multimedia development was kind of messy
  • [13:56:57] <raster> and probem solved
  • [13:56:57] <raster> andre is coming by to pick me up
  • [13:57:01] <koen> and stil is!
  • [13:57:09] <raster> and even if sms's are 1eur.. a pone call is more on roaming
  • [13:57:22] <raster> god damn why do es the telco world have to rape you so badly
  • [13:57:24] <koen> about 1euro/minute iirc
  • [13:57:42] <raster> hmmm
  • [13:57:51] * koen could be wrong
  • [13:58:00] <raster> i thougbht it'd be more
  • [13:58:05] <Crofton> heh, I turned on data with the blackberry while waiting to leave brussels
  • [13:58:06] <raster> i think $au2/min just to answer a call
  • [13:58:18] <raster> that PLUs full international dial rates for making any call
  • [13:58:29] <Crofton> it decided to grab 1.2M at some point, which cost like 50usd
  • [13:59:27] <raster> HAHAHAHA
  • [14:00:01] * koen turned data roaming off
  • [14:00:05] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:00:13] <Crofton> I had it off, but I was bored in the sirport
  • [14:00:30] <Crofton> I think it may have been an attachment sent to me ...
  • [14:01:28] <raster> i know when i worked at morgan stanley they used UK vodaphone blackberies.. in japan
  • [14:01:47] <raster> because vodaphone uk was offering 80pounds/month unlimited world-wide data roaming
  • [14:02:14] <raster> so they worked out it was cheaper to get the things from the uk tan to keep paying data roaming charges and getting local ones
  • [14:02:26] <koen> heh
  • [14:03:04] <eFfeM> just use voip to call (with voipbuster etc)
  • [14:04:26] <raster> eFfeM: they managed to lock them down to disallow installing of anything
  • [14:04:49] <raster> since they were company issued/owned/paid for ... fair enough
  • [14:05:53] <eFfeM> rraster, pity
  • [14:06:12] <eFfeM> often when travelling i use voip on my laptop to call home
  • [14:06:34] <eFfeM> btw if I build with multiple -L optionss does the first one get preference?
  • [14:06:46] <eFfeM> libcap2 has two -L's oand of course it picks the wrong one
  • [14:07:03] <eFfeM> it takes the one in staging not in ../libcap :-(
  • [14:07:07] * koen suggest using sed to remove the bougus one
  • [14:08:48] <raster> eFfeM: oh the bb has calling out disabled
  • [14:08:52] <raster> they only had unlimited data
  • [14:08:54] <raster> not voice
  • [14:09:06] <raster> and u were told "dont answer an incoming call on pain of death"
  • [14:09:16] <raster> as they couldnt figure out how to disable incoming calls
  • [14:09:24] <raster> but hey
  • [14:09:30] <raster> dont work there anymore.. so not my problem
  • [14:10:07] <raster> but its agood example of how a closed os limited the companies ability to make the device do just what they wanted it to - even though it technically could
  • [14:10:10] <eFfeM> koen the bogus one is probably from the build system
  • [14:13:32] <eFfeM> afk for 1-2 hrs
  • [14:13:35] * eFfeM is now known as eFfeM-away
  • [14:21:50] <koen> it seems everybody is awake now
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  • [14:28:56] <raster> will need to go soon i guess
  • [14:31:02] * koen has no idea
  • [14:31:28] <raster> i'll finish my slides tomorrow
  • [14:31:41] <raster> already done like 70% of them
  • [14:32:03] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [14:32:25] <raster> jkridner: moonin
  • [14:32:38] <jkridner> hi raster.
  • [14:38:24] <koen> hey jkridner
  • [14:38:37] <jkridner> howdy koen
  • [14:39:11] * jkridner looks up the dates for Bossa
  • [14:39:19] * koen should say "bom dia"
  • [14:40:19] <florian> hi jkridner
  • [14:40:49] <jkridner> hey florian
  • [14:41:40] <jkridner> ah, I thought it might be about now.
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  • [14:42:11] <jkridner> koen: did you get your video streaming demo done?
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  • [14:42:55] <raster> koen: catch u @ the hotel. i'm packing up
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  • [14:48:15] * jkridner is jealous of koen and raster down in Brasil.
  • [14:49:09] <keesj> idem here, /me just looked again a pictures from when I was there
  • [14:49:52] <Crofton> one day I must go to Bossa
  • [14:50:12] <keesj> it's like Meka
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  • [14:51:09] <keesj> mecca that is , the place where ...
  • [14:52:23] <jkridner> best open source conference? atmosphere better than FOSDEM?
  • [14:53:38] <florian> jkridner: The atmosphere is warmer than FOSDEM ;-)
  • [14:53:50] <keesj> In brasil that is , I never been to bossa. so I can not speak about that.
  • [14:56:44] <n6pfk> Hi, I am having problems with external usb hard drives an usb thumb drives on my beagleboard. When plugged into a powered usb hub they are seen but then Angstrom freezes?
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  • [15:05:54] <alrif> Hello... i didnt have DVI D connector in my monitor...so can i get DVI D to VGA connector in market?
  • [15:06:56] <alrif> please help me
  • [15:06:58] <Crofton> cheaper to get to FOSDEM though
  • [15:07:12] <alrif> FOSDEM mean?
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  • [15:07:46] <Crofton> dvi to vga is an expensive convertor
  • [15:08:02] <alrif> oh....so what to do...please help me
  • [15:08:05] <Stskeeps> probably easier to get a usb2vga i guess
  • [15:08:34] <alrif> but how to connect my beagle board to monitor?
  • [15:09:22] <alrif> i am confused...please help me
  • [15:09:38] <florian> there are adapters fro DVI-D to VGA, but these are comparably expensive
  • [15:09:40] <keesj> alrif: take it easy....
  • [15:09:41] <alrif> i have only VGA connector in my lCD
  • [15:10:12] <alrif> Actually i am from india,Bangalore
  • [15:10:35] <alrif> expensive means...how much it will cost?
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  • [15:11:17] <keesj> A neat hack would be to use a remote X server or a x11vnc server and use a different computer to show the display
  • [15:11:31] <alrif> nyone please help me
  • [15:11:35] <alrif> anyone please help me
  • [15:12:01] <alrif> sorry i am novice.....i dont know what to do
  • [15:12:51] <alrif> is anyone there?
  • [15:12:56] <alrif> reply me
  • [15:13:32] <alrif> is it possible to connect the monitor with USB with connector?
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  • [15:14:22] <alrif> can i connect?
  • [15:14:34] <alrif> whether it wi8ll work?
  • [15:14:41] <alrif> whether it will work?
  • [15:15:06] <alrif> crpfton : help me
  • [15:15:14] <alrif> crofton : help me
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  • [15:15:29] <alrif> Stskeeps:tell me
  • [15:15:39] <Stskeeps> alrif: google would do you wonders really
  • [15:15:49] <alrif> florian:what to do
  • [15:16:19] <alrif> Actually i want to connect my monitor with beagle board.....
  • [15:16:30] <alrif> but i didnt have DVI in my LCD
  • [15:16:33] <alrif> what to do
  • [15:16:52] <alrif> i didnt find correct solution in google
  • [15:17:01] <florian> alrif: the easiest and safest solution would be to get a new monitor imho
  • [15:17:02] <alrif> anyone please help me
  • [15:17:26] <alrif> new monitor?just now i bought an new monitor?
  • [15:17:30] <alrif> new monitor?just now i bought an new monitor...
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  • [15:28:33] <n6pfk> Hi, I am having problems with external usb hard drives an usb thumb drives on my beagleboard. When plugged into a powered usb hub they are seen but then Angstrom freezes?
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  • [15:32:11] <florian> n6pfk: Is this with a recan 2.6.28 kernel?
  • [15:32:14] <florian> eh recent
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  • [15:40:11] <n6pfk> 2.6.26
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  • [15:46:40] <n6pfk> I will try 2.6.28.
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  • [16:11:07] <florian> n6pfk: yes that would be much better
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  • [18:20:49] <garren> hi all, I'm trying to do my first recipe... it compiles but no package is created when I build an image... could someone look at it and offer some advice:
  • [18:20:50] <garren> http://pastebin.com/d44750fe5
  • [18:20:59] <garren> and the make file: http://pastebin.com/dafb044a
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  • [18:39:28] <robclark> garren: as in no ipk is created? do you have packaged staging enabled?
  • [18:39:32] <robclark> as in something like:
  • [18:39:37] <robclark> INHERIT += "packaged-staging"
  • [18:39:45] <robclark> perhaps in your local.conf
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  • [18:40:24] <garren> robclark: it creates a package but when I build a rootfs the files dont get install in the rootfs
  • [18:40:32] <robclark> ahh
  • [18:40:43] <robclark> it sounds like you need to add your new recipe to the image..
  • [18:41:42] <garren> I did...
  • [18:42:06] <robclark> perhaps try: bitbake -cclean <whatever-image-you-build>
  • [18:42:10] <robclark> and then try again
  • [18:42:26] <garren> thats why its a bit weird.. someone else said I dont need to inherit autotools... I think I have the install destination set incorrectly
  • [18:43:18] <robclark> hmm, does the right stuff end up in your build/tmp/work/<whatever>/<packagename>/image directory?
  • [18:46:00] <garren> its doesn't end up in beagle but under /home/garren/oe/tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/guitarix
  • [18:46:08] <garren> and then in image/usr/share
  • [18:46:12] <garren> so it seems ok
  • [18:46:38] <robclark> are you sure the rootfs img was just not regenerated?
  • [18:47:15] <garren> it might be.. I'm gonna do a clean and rebuild and see...
  • [18:47:18] <robclark> it won't automatically be regenerated if you add your new recipe task it contains, for example.. it doesn't realize when something further down the dependency tree has changed
  • [18:47:21] <garren> does the package look ok?
  • [18:47:28] <garren> I mean recipe?
  • [18:47:55] <robclark> I think so, but I'm not the biggest expert..
  • [18:48:30] <garren> but you probably kmow more tehn me... thanks for the help
  • [18:49:08] <robclark> I just know I've run into the same issue, and it was because I didn't clean the image and the task that I added my new recipe to
  • [18:50:07] <robclark> you might need something like
  • [18:50:15] <robclark> FILES_${PN} += "blahblah"
  • [18:50:24] <robclark> if you have files in some oddball place
  • [18:51:03] <robclark> usually standard locations like /usr/bin should come automatically, I think if you inherit autotools (but I'd have to dig to see where that is added)
  • [18:51:04] <eFfeM> garren you should look at the log files in work/arm*/guitarix*/temp
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  • [18:51:13] <eFfeM> or something like that)
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  • [18:51:39] <eFfeM> the build log on the screen when you bake your recipe will also give a lot of info (e.g. if it is packaging stuff)
  • [18:55:05] <garren> robclark: do I include my recipe name or my package name of the recipe I want to be added to my image?
  • [18:56:04] <robclark> well, when I've done it before, I didn't add it directly to the image, but to a task that was already in the image...
  • [18:56:27] <robclark> what I did was add my recipe name (ie. everything before the '_' in the filename) as an RDEPENDS in the task
  • [18:56:29] <garren> that how I'm trying to do it... so how do i add it to the task correctly?
  • [18:56:53] <robclark> is there an RDEPENDS (runtime DEPENDS) already in the task's .bb file?
  • [18:58:44] <garren> yes
  • [18:58:51] <garren> I just add the recipe name to it?
  • [18:58:54] <robclark> yup
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  • [18:59:02] <robclark> so if your file name is foo_1.2.3.bb
  • [18:59:04] <robclark> then you add "
  • [18:59:06] <robclark> foo"
  • [18:59:11] <robclark> to the RDEPENDS
  • [18:59:39] <garren> great thanks
  • [18:59:47] <robclark> np
  • [19:00:06] <robclark> don't forget to bitbake -cclean the task and image.. and then bitbake the image again
  • [19:01:40] <garren> cool
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  • [19:18:00] <BeagleTest> jkridner is http://beagleboard.org/user/blog.hangerhead.com
  • [19:20:32] <kulve> aerea: I think it doesn't give console there (not completely sure though). Start X server and you may get something on the screen
  • [19:23:44] <aerea> kulve, I'm trying to do this without X due to the fact that my requirements are that I fit my linux distro into flash. The Angstrom distro demo works fine, and if I just take that kernel I get a console like I should.
  • [19:24:03] <aerea> I took Angstrom's kernel and my distro, put it into flash, and all is fine except for a few bugs which are fixed by later kernel versions, so I'm trying to upgrade.
  • [19:25:50] <kulve> check the differences between ?ngstr?m kernel config and the default beagle kernel config from linux-omap and make the needed changes?
  • [19:30:21] <aerea> That would be a good idea, except I don't know where to get Angstrom's config file. Is it hidden somewhere? I tried Googling several times but couldn't find it.
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  • [19:34:11] <kulve> what kernel did you try? ?ngstr?m provides several
  • [19:34:45] <robclark> aerea: if you have the kernel src tree, the config file is .config (so yes, slightly hidden)
  • [19:35:36] <kulve> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig
  • [19:35:42] <kulve> there's one..
  • [19:35:52] <aerea> I don't have the kernel source. I just pulled the examples off the site at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [19:36:13] <kulve> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-omap-2.6.28/beagleboard/defconfig
  • [19:36:21] <kulve> that's from 2.6.28-omap1
  • [19:38:28] <aerea> Okay, the Angstrom demo I was using has 2.6.27. I found that config file. I'll try doing a diff...
  • [19:38:38] <aerea> Thanks.
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  • [19:40:56] <ZeZu> low level exception handling is specified by ABI right? and this gnu-eabi is the same as aapcs ?
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  • [19:57:58] <robclark> ZeZu: as in data-abort, program-abort, etc? I guess that is determined by the arm architecture rather than the API..
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  • [20:11:25] <ZeZu> well
  • [20:11:57] <ZeZu> as in info saved on exception and handling it under linux
  • [20:12:29] <robclark> I wouldn't expect that to be part of the ABI..
  • [20:12:37] <robclark> that is more just linux kernel design
  • [20:13:15] <robclark> what are you trying to figure out?
  • [20:13:49] <ZeZu> i had just read a piece of the doc stating that the eabi defined stack unwinding
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  • [20:14:05] <robclark> well, yes..
  • [20:14:26] <ZeZu> i'm trying to figure out where my app crashes exactly and reg dump
  • [20:14:31] <robclark> I'm not really sure if it is possible to unwind a stack with the base ABI
  • [20:15:03] <ZeZu> something similar to SEH on windows
  • [20:15:25] <robclark> the issue is, you don't necessarily know where the LR is on the stack.. unless you are the debugger and have some help from the debug syms
  • [20:15:40] <ZeZu> actually now looking at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cppexcep.html
  • [20:15:51] <robclark> windows might use a stack frame reg in addition to a stack ptr?? I don't know much about windows
  • [20:16:17] <ZeZu> another issue is in generated code i actually dont push lr much
  • [20:16:22] <robclark> x86 is easier, AFAIK all args are passed on the stack
  • [20:16:26] <robclark> exactly
  • [20:16:30] <ZeZu> indeed
  • [20:16:42] <ZeZu> much of the time i just use bx
  • [20:16:47] <robclark> you need to know where LR is on the stack to keep unwinding to the previous frame
  • [20:17:00] <ZeZu> well i'll figure something out, to at least know the current pc/lr will help
  • [20:17:02] <robclark> the leaf node in the function call graph does not necessarily need to push LR
  • [20:17:18] <robclark> what I've done before is just dump the first N words of the stack
  • [20:17:37] <robclark> and then decode each word as if it were an address, and see which come back as valid function names
  • [20:17:57] <ZeZu> hmm
  • [20:18:02] <robclark> (that approach could be fools by fxn ptr variables on the stack, for example, but it is usually good enough to figure out what is going on)
  • [20:18:03] <ZeZu> ok, thanks
  • [20:22:59] <robclark> btw ZeZu, where are you trapping the exception? Do you have JTAG or some way to set a breakpoint in the kernel?
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  • [20:25:12] <ZeZu> robclark: i haven't set it up yet
  • [20:25:23] <robclark> oh, ok..
  • [20:25:41] <ZeZu> i generate arm code dynamically, and i'll be using try/catch or whatever on the call of it
  • [20:25:54] <robclark> ok, userspace?
  • [20:26:28] <ZeZu> yes
  • [20:26:33] <robclark> if it is in userspace, you probably want to setup a signal handler
  • [20:26:48] <ZeZu> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cppexcep.html << this look right ?
  • [20:27:09] <robclark> and I think there would be an API somewhere to find the saved registers.. I did something like this on solaris many years ago, but I don't think it was too solaris specific..
  • [20:27:29] <robclark> hmm, lets see
  • [20:28:59] <robclark> that seems to be the right approach.. I don't see anything about what APIs they use to find info about the current PC..
  • [20:29:29] <robclark> fwiw, just for try/catch, you don't need the current PC.. you just need to know the current thread, and then longjmp() to that thread's nearest catch block
  • [20:30:06] <ZeZu> the current pc is what i'm interested in
  • [20:30:26] <ZeZu> what i want to do, is compare current pc to block address i'm executing
  • [20:30:34] <robclark> yeah, it does make debugging easier ;-)
  • [20:30:39] <ZeZu> and find out where in the block the exception happened
  • [20:31:15] <ZeZu> then i can save information on the IL i'm using and find out what emulated instruction it occured in and fix that specific piece, yea it makes debugging a million times easier
  • [20:31:22] <ZeZu> no need for gdb for the recompiler
  • [20:32:18] <robclark> well, it is a pretty safe bet the PC you look for is somewhere on the stack..
  • [20:32:37] <robclark> but I thought there is a proper API to access that stuff..
  • [20:33:15] * robclark did some hack to test driver code on solaris a long time back, by making read/writes to the "driver's" base address cause a segfault, then decoding and emulating the current load or store instruction
  • [20:33:27] <robclark> I just wish I still had the code that did that..
  • [20:34:09] <ZeZu> sounds pretty cool
  • [20:35:08] <robclark> hmm, something like sigcontext perhaps..
  • [20:36:38] <robclark> yeah, I think you can get a sigcontext struct passed to the signal handler, and this would have what you seek..
  • [20:37:20] <ZeZu> great, will look into it
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  • [20:52:03] <aerea> Alright, I simply cannot get anything to display. I even tried another Beagleboard.
  • [20:53:41] <geckosenator> it's the display then
  • [20:54:00] <geckosenator> or the display doesn't like the mode you are trying to use
  • [20:54:02] <aerea> Why would it be? The Beagleboard logo shows up fine.
  • [20:54:42] <aerea> I'm just passing video=omapfb:mode:1024x768@60
  • [20:55:16] <aerea> I also tried video=omapfb, video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M, and nothing at all.
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  • [21:27:40] <jkridner> aerea: does this help: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Display_resolutions_.231 ?
  • [21:32:22] <aerea> jkridner, No, but thanks. I've been using one of those on the list. I'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue since it works in one but not the other.
  • [21:32:49] <jkridner> which DSS driver are you using?
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  • [21:37:43] <eFfeM> aerea: your u-boot args are probably no good. if I recall corectly if you are on a .28 kernel if you do not specify video you get 640x480
  • [21:39:02] <aerea> bootargs=console=tty0 console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext3 video=omapfb:mode:1024x768@60
  • [21:39:32] <eFfeM> throw away the video part
  • [21:39:56] <eFfeM> you have a .28 kernel ?
  • [21:40:04] <aerea> It's .29-rc7
  • [21:40:11] <eFfeM> should also be ok i guess
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  • [21:40:33] <aerea> Hold on; let me switch back to the nonworking kernel on my memory card.
  • [21:41:08] <eFfeM> you do not need video=
  • [21:41:11] <eFfeM> I have on .28
  • [21:41:12] <eFfeM> omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60
  • [21:42:16] <aerea> That's interesting. Never seen that before...
  • [21:44:10] <eFfeM> you might want to look at this: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/84e1261f16ab5a87
  • [21:44:23] <eFfeM> there is also a nice post from koen on this, but i do not have that one handy
  • [21:48:05] <aerea> Well, no video= switch doesn't work. I'm going to try what you suggested.
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  • [21:50:10] <eFfeM> aerea: if that does not work you could try to generate an image with http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/
  • [21:50:16] <eFfeM> that is what I am using
  • [21:54:22] <aerea> eFfeM, When your distro starts does it mention that omapfb finds a resolution? Mine just says "switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48", gives some pixel clocks and frequencies, and says it's initialized.
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  • [21:57:04] <eFfeM> for this string to work your dmesg should have:
  • [21:57:04] <eFfeM> OMAP DSS rev 2.0
  • [21:58:04] <eFfeM> then somehwere later it gives me:
  • [21:58:04] <eFfeM> fbcvt: 1280x720@60: CVT Name - .921M9-R
  • [21:58:04] <eFfeM> Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x45
  • [21:58:37] <eFfeM> the fbcvt line is immediately before the console line
  • [22:01:01] <aerea> I have nothing like that.
  • [22:01:10] <eFfeM> no DSS line eihter?
  • [22:01:25] <aerea> I have "configured for panel omap3beagle", and then "DISPC version 3.0 initialized"
  • [22:01:54] <aerea> Then it gives the pixel clock and freq. rates.
  • [22:01:56] <eFfeM> then you are probably using DSS 1 and you need ineed something like: video=omapfb, video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,
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  • [22:05:10] <eFfeM> bedtime here, gut you could also try to use the generator. good luck!
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  • [23:55:43] <javaJake> minicom isn't showing any output from serial. Everything's plugged in, and I've followed the Beginner's guide, and changed around the ttySX config to try different ports.
  • [23:55:49] <javaJake> What could go wrong?
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