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  • [00:36:26] <Qball> hmm how risky is it to update the X-Loader
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  • [01:22:21] <mru> Qball: the beagle is unbrickable if that's the kind of risk you're talking about
  • [01:22:50] <Qball> good to know
  • [01:23:07] <Qball> I just read idd with empty nand it can still load stuff from mmc card
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  • [01:23:31] <Qball> and I just got my own OE build running
  • [01:25:50] * mru is building gentoo for avr32
  • [01:26:04] <mru> it's surprisingly smooth considering gentoo doesn't support avr32
  • [01:26:28] <Qball> :D
  • [01:27:10] <mru> I have yet to boot it of course...
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  • [01:36:45] <Qball> hmmm fun
  • [01:36:55] <Qball> mpd actually uses _more_ cpu on angstrom then on debian
  • [01:37:03] <mru> mpd?
  • [01:37:17] <Qball> music player daemon
  • [01:38:36] <Qball> hmm extra cpu usage seems to be with mp3's..
  • [01:38:46] <Qball> probly should see if I can make it use ffmpeg for that
  • [01:38:48] <Qball> instead of libmad
  • [01:39:07] <Qball> also memory usage slightly higher.. (and that is odd...)
  • [01:41:49] <Qball> hmm no ldd
  • [01:42:20] <Qball> aah package.
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  • [02:02:58] <mib_n6yb8d> hello ! is anyone using the eclipse to design GUI for the beagleboard?
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  • [02:50:36] <null__> does OE build a fresh copy of absolutely everything it uses?
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  • [03:52:33] <null__> why does digikey list nand/ddr in bga packaging for beagle accessories ?
  • [03:53:05] <jkridner> where is that?
  • [03:53:46] <null__> http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
  • [03:53:47] <jkridner> oh...
  • [03:54:03] <null__> if its POP you can hardly replace it
  • [03:54:10] <jkridner> I guess they did it for folks building their own boards.
  • [03:54:31] <jkridner> certainly cannot just plop a new one on top without some special equipment.
  • [03:55:18] <null__> would have to replace the whole processor / memory and SMT is no fun
  • [03:55:32] <null__> microscopic ;)
  • [03:55:49] <jkridner> I hadn't realized they'd updated this list.
  • [03:56:32] <jkridner> I point people to: http://delicious.com/jadon/beagleboard+peripheral
  • [03:56:51] <jkridner> I'm very interested if anyone has tried https://www.xenarcdirect.com/product.php?productid=16194
  • [03:57:09] <jkridner> too bad it is resistive.
  • [03:57:19] <null__> actually i looked at that
  • [03:57:35] <null__> far more likely to go with the MiMO though
  • [03:58:06] <null__> and i wonder why the macos version costs more, i'm guessing it uses another chipset that is supported and might be more likely to work in linux
  • [03:58:44] <jkridner> What is the MiMO?
  • [03:59:03] <null__> a 7" usb touchscreen
  • [03:59:07] <jkridner> http://www.tuaw.com/2009/02/05/mimo-7-usb-displays/ ?
  • [03:59:12] <null__> video goes over usb as well
  • [03:59:13] <null__> yes
  • [03:59:22] <jkridner> ah, but that must be slow compared to using the DVI.
  • [03:59:30] <jkridner> is a lot cheaper though.
  • [03:59:59] <null__> ah its for the driver
  • [04:01:54] <null__> ~65MB/s for 800x480@60fps 24bpp
  • [04:01:57] <null__> so yea ;|
  • [04:02:28] <jkridner> must be some way to get those other displays cheaper. it is all about volume.
  • [04:02:47] <null__> definitely, for my own testing volume isn't much of a choice
  • [04:03:29] <null__> hmm OE has finished after what seems like many hours
  • [04:03:47] <jkridner> http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/US-suppliers/7_LCD_Monitor.html
  • [04:04:05] <null__> and it looks like it has built every module possible
  • [04:05:18] <null__> a lot of those lcds marketed for cars really really suck
  • [04:06:15] <null__> dealsextreme has the 4.3" psp replacement lcd for ~$30
  • [04:06:36] <null__> and some site has ribbon connector for near the same price
  • [04:07:14] <null__> add one of those cheap touchscreen films and it would make for a reasonable budget touchscreen
  • [04:07:32] <null__> dont know about a controller though
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  • [04:28:24] <null__> looks like i have a few more hours of build after all, .. it already built the video drivers and kernel, and all cross compilers but i try console-image and it says there are 2k+ steps now ;|
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  • [04:32:24] <null__> a console image needs x11, glib, gtk and who knows what else ?
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  • [04:51:05] <sparq> Hey -- does anyone have any suggestions for embedable LCD panels?
  • [04:53:17] <sparq> There are tons of nice panels, but all the ones I've found are raw LCD devices, and that's a pain.
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  • [05:14:50] <null__> find one that has an available usb controller board ?
  • [05:15:25] <null__> its a tough search anyhow if your even remotely concerned about pricing and functionality
  • [05:15:43] <null__> but without any parameters other than it not being a raw lcd, its hard to suggest
  • [05:16:23] <null__> there are some panels suggested on the digikey site, some touchscreens from intouch IIRC
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  • [05:17:35] <sparq> Hmm.. I guess I should be more specific. I mean something that might be reasonably used as a netbook display. Basically a 8-10 inch panel with a DVI input, instead of a raw input
  • [05:18:46] <sparq> I was thinking about canibalizing a small desktop display
  • [05:20:03] <sparq> but I haven't found a suitible device to start with
  • [05:21:28] <null__> i dont think many of them would be thin enough for something like that
  • [05:22:55] <null__> If you've got the $ 3M has some nice open frame panels, and i think some will take dvi
  • [05:23:59] <null__> OE is even building gnome ? :|
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  • [05:27:21] <sparq> this is something that has annoyed me for a long time -- hooking embeded systems to LCD panels is tortuously difficult and expensives for no good reason I can think of.
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  • [06:45:02] <null__> this is weird > http://rafb.net/p/yQ9hhN77.html
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  • [07:00:09] <null__> ps aux |grep sgx returns: Unknown HZ value! (93) Assume 100.
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  • [07:05:10] <raster> bad hz
  • [07:05:11] <raster> bad
  • [07:05:18] * raster spanks the hz
  • [07:05:30] <null[c]> tsk
  • [07:05:51] <null[c]> surely that isn't from ps though, and interestingly doesn't contain "sgx"
  • [07:06:04] <null[c]> so either i'm that tired already .. or its broke
  • [07:06:46] <raster> hmm ps technically needs to know hz to calculate % cpu usage
  • [07:06:52] <raster> as all counters are in jiffies (hz)
  • [07:07:17] <raster> so a process consumes N jiffies (timeslices) and this accumulates in a counter
  • [07:07:34] <raster> to know the % its using u need to know how many of these jiffies exist per second
  • [07:07:36] <raster> ie hz
  • [07:07:40] <null[c]> indeed
  • [07:07:52] <null[c]> but ps aux works for sure
  • [07:08:06] <null[c]> grep i will check
  • [07:08:47] <null[c]> and it doesn't complain with that message either, so would it be bash not paying attention to the | ? ;)
  • [07:09:06] <null[c]> since grep seems to work fine as well
  • [07:09:14] <null[c]> or general strangeness
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  • [08:18:30] <null[c]> is usb gadget not enabled in angstrom by default????
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  • [08:22:21] <null[c]> i see it was built, but no module, so into kernel? but not usb0 device shows up on the host
  • [08:23:02] <eFfeM> null[c]: my beagle kernel does show usb0 if I do ifconfig if I recall correctly
  • [08:24:08] <null[c]> hmm, if i do ifconfig it doens't show it, but if i do ifconfig usb0 it says its there .. doesn't show up on host pc though
  • [08:24:46] <eFfeM> never used it so can't comment on that, but guess you need something special at the host side too
  • [08:25:00] <null[c]> ah i think it just wasn't up
  • [08:25:04] <eFfeM> does your host have usb neteworking ?
  • [08:25:10] <null[c]> yes
  • [08:25:26] <eFfeM> note that I never used usb networking :-)
  • [08:26:07] <eFfeM> null[c]: try ifup usb0 on your beagle
  • [08:26:08] <null[c]> pings work now
  • [08:26:26] <eFfeM> then it shows in ifconfig
  • [08:26:32] <null[c]> yes
  • [08:26:34] <eFfeM> if ping works the groundwork is there
  • [08:26:37] <null[c]> like i was it wasn't up
  • [08:26:55] <null[c]> yea going to add dhcp and see
  • [08:27:16] <eFfeM> ah didn't understand that
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  • [08:30:44] <null[c]> bridge always kills my dns or something weird
  • [08:38:01] <null[c]> run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 :: fun, just keeps sending discover
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  • [08:40:46] <Qball> hmmm bitbake does not rerun configure after I change the bb file
  • [08:43:50] <eFfeM> Qball: ; bitbake -cclean packagename
  • [08:43:55] <eFfeM> then run bitbake again
  • [08:44:01] <eFfeM> koen, ping
  • [08:44:31] <Qball> thx.. that is not --help
  • [08:45:44] <eFfeM> actually officially it is -c clean but the space does not matter
  • [08:45:59] <Qball> aah
  • [08:46:07] <eFfeM> -c CMD (but the cmd's are not listed)
  • [08:46:18] <Qball> my flac build fails on memcmp..
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  • [08:50:56] <eFfeM> Qball: if you intend to submit the changes you are making you should also increase PR before doing so; a higher PR number is needed for users to upgrade
  • [08:51:17] <Qball> PR?
  • [08:51:37] <eFfeM> in your recipe there is probably a line like
  • [08:51:41] <eFfeM> Pr = "r1"
  • [08:51:43] <Qball> aah
  • [08:51:46] <eFfeM> PR = "r1"
  • [08:52:09] <Qball> well it is a whole new version.. so I did not have problem
  • [08:52:12] <eFfeM> increase the 1 (or whatever number is there)
  • [08:52:21] <eFfeM> ah ok, then you might consider adding
  • [08:52:25] <eFfeM> PR = "r0"
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  • [08:52:31] <eFfeM> although not absolutely necessary
  • [08:52:35] <Qball> when it works I will
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  • [08:54:08] <eFfeM> good, what package are you adding ?
  • [08:54:10] <Qball> ugh, the flac guys forgot to include
  • [08:54:18] <Qball> string.h
  • [08:54:25] <Qball> flac 1.2.1
  • [08:55:03] <eFfeM> it is not there yet ?
  • [08:55:12] <Qball> 1.1.2
  • [08:55:14] <Qball> only
  • [08:55:18] <Qball> did git pull yesterday
  • [08:55:51] <eFfeM> ah ok, i hope you started with the 1.1.2 recipe
  • [08:55:57] <Qball> offcourse
  • [08:56:21] <Qball> though had to edit the flac.inc file.
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  • [08:59:51] <sparq> Hey -- does anyone know of any nifty embedable LCD panels with DVI inputs?
  • [09:00:20] <mru> no, but the beagle rev C will have lcd signals accessible
  • [09:00:56] <sparq> Oh?
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  • [09:07:56] <felipec> anyone knows what's the value of loops_per_jiffy?
  • [09:07:58] <felipec> in the kernel
  • [09:10:38] <eFfeM> sparq: read www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard
  • [09:11:04] <eFfeM> felicep, boot it and read the boot output or look in the output of dmesg
  • [09:11:29] <sparq> eFfeM: Was doing so as you spoke.
  • [09:12:19] <eFfeM> sparq: np
  • [09:12:39] <eFfeM> give a man a fish and he has food for a day, learn him how to fish and he has food for the rest of his life
  • [09:12:51] <eFfeM> yippie, modphp builds
  • [09:13:28] <sparq> Heh. I'm still not sure what LCDs it will drive, once it has the interface
  • [09:13:55] <eFfeM> it is ldvs or something like that (always forget the right letters) which is a pretty std interface
  • [09:14:29] <eFfeM> search in http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/topics?hl=en
  • [09:15:41] <felipec> eFfeM: I don't have a beagleboard at hand
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  • [09:16:37] <eFfeM> felipec: rev C is not generally available yet, the beagleboard group has all publicly available info on this
  • [09:16:51] <Qball> neat it builds
  • [09:17:59] <felipec> eFfeM: where? google: loops_per_jiffy beagleboard doesn't seem to help much
  • [09:18:44] <eFfeM> felipec: sorry i was mixing up questions, thought this was still on the lcd
  • [09:19:03] <eFfeM> felipec: Calibrating delay loop... 487.36 BogoMIPS (lpj=1904640)
  • [09:19:11] <felipec> oh
  • [09:19:42] <eFfeM> afk (coffee break)
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  • [09:24:54] <felipec> looks like lpj=1945600
  • [09:26:31] * sparq will await arrival of Rev C and hunt for a nice LCD panel
  • [09:26:50] <Qball> AAAAH my mpd build with libflac supprot works
  • [09:27:10] * Qball stands out-of-sight and does the happy dance
  • [09:27:22] <mru> Qball: have you tried using ffmpeg for flac?
  • [09:27:40] <Qball> yes.
  • [09:27:43] <mru> and?
  • [09:27:46] <Qball> works
  • [09:27:58] <Qball> but no progress updates
  • [09:28:08] <mru> encoding or decoding?
  • [09:28:09] <Qball> gives total time, but not played time
  • [09:28:13] <Qball> decoding
  • [09:28:25] <mru> which is faster?
  • [09:28:36] <mru> if ffmpeg isn't faster, that's a bug ;-)
  • [09:29:04] <Qball> well rough estimation, ffmpeg is 30-40% faster..
  • [09:29:19] <mru> good
  • [09:29:24] <Qball> +- 3% cpu usage with ffmepg 5% with flac
  • [09:29:33] <mru> yeah, flac is easy to decode
  • [09:29:40] <Qball> mp3 is higher
  • [09:29:47] <Qball> (haven't tried ffmpeg for that)
  • [09:30:26] <Qball> I need a better network card
  • [09:30:39] <mru> for pc?
  • [09:30:46] <Qball> this usb thing is 10 mbit..
  • [09:30:48] <Qball> no beagleboard
  • [09:30:55] <Qball> pc has gigabit
  • [09:31:37] <Qball> took only 5 hours to index 400 gig music
  • [09:31:44] <Qball> on beagle board
  • [09:31:47] <mru> ;-)
  • [09:31:47] <Qball> normally that is minutes
  • [09:32:16] <Qball> the network card gets horrible hot and is crappy at spee
  • [09:32:17] <Qball> d
  • [09:32:19] <Qball> but it was cheap
  • [09:32:27] <mru> you get what you pay for...
  • [09:32:47] <Qball> usb network cards are not easy to get
  • [09:32:55] <Qball> computer stores don't sell it
  • [09:33:08] * mru looks at all the free stuff on his desk
  • [09:33:19] * Qball is poor student
  • [09:33:38] <Qball> getting beagle board to europe was a hit on cash
  • [09:33:58] <mru> I thought digikey did free shipping?
  • [09:34:07] <sparq> Qball: does it work any better to use the usbnet driver?
  • [09:34:41] <Qball> mru: taxes
  • [09:34:54] <mru> where in europe?
  • [09:35:24] <Qball> I ordered 5 chips ones from digikey for 6$ each.. total shipping fee 70$.. (did not have to pay that myself luckely)
  • [09:35:31] <Qball> Netherlands
  • [09:35:35] <Qball> we ordered 3
  • [09:38:15] <Qball> who did update the gmpc packages btw.. that is pretty fast.. I released the 0.18.0-alpha1 a week ago
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  • [09:46:55] <keesj> mru: does that include as pico ldp?
  • [09:47:35] <mru> no pico here
  • [09:49:04] <mru> only three beagles and an avr32 board at the moment
  • [09:50:57] <mru> free stuff also includes an sgi octane, but that's *not* on my desk
  • [09:51:41] <keesj> sexy
  • [09:54:10] <keesj> I can't find good use for my beagle(other then learning from it). I am sure the LDP would be even more useless
  • [09:54:22] <keesj> still I want it
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  • [09:59:50] <mru> ;-)
  • [10:00:02] <mru> want and need are completely orthogonal
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  • [10:06:18] <eFfeM> koen, fixed apache2-native and modphp, only things depending on apache2-native were modphp and achache2, these build fine; so guess it is now ok
  • [10:06:44] <eFfeM> afk for a while
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  • [10:49:24] <felipec> mru: any thoughts about delay.S in the kernel? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.28.y.git;a=blob_plain;f=arch/arm/lib/delay.S;hb=HEAD
  • [10:50:04] <mru> what about it?
  • [10:51:01] <felipec> mru: is that an efficient way of delaying?
  • [10:51:46] <mru> spinning in a loop tends to do the job
  • [10:52:08] <mru> for longer delays you'd obviously want to do something to reduce power
  • [10:52:30] <mru> but for a few microseconds that's hardly worthwhile
  • [10:53:52] <felipec> hmm, I see
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  • [11:01:31] <Qball> can I make a git recipie?
  • [11:01:38] <Qball> that download from git?
  • [11:03:15] <eFfeM-away> qball i think koen updated gmpc (and if not i did, I hav been playing with it)
  • [11:03:21] <eFfeM-away> Qball: were in nl are you ?
  • [11:03:41] <Qball> aah
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  • [11:03:52] * Qball gives koen or eFfeM a manly thank you hug
  • [11:04:02] <eFfeM> Qball: yes you an make a git recipe
  • [11:04:15] <eFfeM> there are several examples in packages
  • [11:04:19] <Qball> kay.
  • [11:04:20] <Qball> thx
  • [11:04:24] <Qball> I should make one for mpd
  • [11:05:24] * eFfeM did midori_git the other day, you can look at that as an example
  • [11:05:33] <Qball> I will thx
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  • [11:06:51] <eFfeM> Qball: where in NL do you live
  • [11:06:56] <Qball> why?
  • [11:07:02] <eFfeM> curious
  • [11:07:05] * eFfeM also lives in NL
  • [11:07:07] <Qball> aah
  • [11:07:13] <eFfeM> koen too
  • [11:07:25] * eFfeM lives S of Eindhoven
  • [11:07:59] <Qball> Utrecht atm
  • [11:08:43] <eFfeM> maybe at some point in time we should arrange a dutch beagle meet
  • [11:10:57] <Qball> your midory uses snapshows
  • [11:11:02] <Qball> shots
  • [11:11:12] <eFfeM> true
  • [11:11:49] <eFfeM> python/python-pycrypto_git.bb does not if i recall correctly
  • [11:12:22] <eFfeM> i'm not too good with git recipes; btw you can also try oe related questions in #oe
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  • [11:13:28] <Qball> aah the ffmpeg too
  • [11:25:54] <Qball> man I need a bigger desktop
  • [11:26:01] <Qball> just to place all keyboards
  • [11:26:12] <eFfeM> Qball: use synergy
  • [11:26:35] <Qball> bigger kvm
  • [11:29:20] <eFfeM> helps too
  • [11:31:21] <Qball> hmm X is not setuid or whatever
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  • [12:08:03] <Qball> hmm something wrong.. X using 60% memory
  • [12:13:40] <keesj> eFfeM: possibly related to the Maemo Summit? (me lives in Amsterdam)
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  • [12:20:18] <Qball> is there a good xorg.conf I can use?
  • [12:20:42] <eFfeM> keesj: no direct plans yet when is maemo summit?
  • [12:21:47] <eFfeM> later
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  • [12:35:14] <Qball> damn can't get xfce to work.
  • [12:35:18] <Qball> crash-o-rama
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  • [13:58:08] <Qball> how do I make a debug build with bitbake (so not stripped ..)
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  • [14:07:07] <koen> Qball: the debug symbols are in the -dbg packages
  • [14:07:21] <Qball> just found it that they are build by default
  • [14:07:25] * Qball feels ashamed
  • [14:07:37] <koen> Qball: so e.g. 'opkg install gmpc-dbg' will pull in all symbols for gmpc and it's dependencies (gtk, libc6, etc)
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  • [14:08:54] <Qball>
  • [14:08:55] <Qball> Unknown HZ value! (94) Assume 100.
  • [14:09:00] <Qball> what is that message?
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  • [14:11:42] <mru> Qball: I've been wondering that myself
  • [14:14:12] <Qball> hmm anyway I can get oprofile to take more samples?
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  • [15:54:46] <maelcum> Qball: fwiw, kde 4 trunk works - with a lot of swapping :P
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  • [15:56:01] <maelcum> oh. and actually i used xfce to launch only one kde app at a time and save some memory.
  • [15:56:14] <maelcum> that was on debian lenny
  • [15:56:19] <eFfeM> koen is there anything wrong with the angstrom feed? mpd is still at r0.1 and from feb 19, but the bb file says r3
  • [15:56:39] <Qball> xfce crashes here
  • [15:56:40] <Qball> the panel
  • [15:57:09] <Qball> eFfeM: I have a git build here.. seems to be a bit more "robust"
  • [15:57:17] <Qball> maelcum: eeuh, I have no swap
  • [15:57:50] <maelcum> i have an external disk attached most of the time for the big source code repositories, and also swap.
  • [15:57:53] <eFfeM> Qball: nice (but atm I am also interested why the feed is not updated)
  • [15:58:03] <maelcum> swap on flash is no good
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  • [15:59:04] <Qball> hmm I am having problems that usb devices cause my usb soundcard to crackle
  • [15:59:15] <Qball> could be the utterly crap network card
  • [15:59:50] <maelcum> btw, is sound supposed to work with the ~latest oe 2.6.28 kernel?
  • [16:00:05] <Qball> forks for me (tm)
  • [16:00:21] <Qball> Linux beagleboard 2.6.28-omap1 #1 Sat Feb 21 00:59:36 CET 2009 armv7l unknown
  • [16:00:29] <maelcum> k, thanks. i want to test that at some point.
  • [16:01:10] <maelcum> i mean onboard sound, as you may have guessed
  • [16:01:19] <Qball> yeah it did yesterday
  • [16:01:23] <Qball> let me retry
  • [16:01:56] <Qball> yeah works fine
  • [16:02:03] <maelcum> thanks
  • [16:02:29] <maelcum> btw, does anyone have an idea how to find the cheapest possible monitor with dvi input?
  • [16:02:47] <mru> maelcum: does it have to work? ;-)
  • [16:02:50] <Qball> hmm I think 150 I found here.
  • [16:02:54] <maelcum> i have a very good crt for my desktop computer and don't want to get a new main screen anytime soon.
  • [16:03:06] <maelcum> mru: yeah
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  • [16:16:30] <n6pfk> Hi I am doing a opkg upgrade but it hangs at coreutils?
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  • [16:31:00] <Crofton|work> koen, can you do me a favour and pull and build libnetfilter-queue
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  • [18:12:29] <mru> depends on the voltage regulator it uses
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  • [18:19:25] <eFfeM> i just used one i had lying around
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  • [18:23:22] <null__> was a cheapo, but i put the meter to it and surprisingly it is 5.18
  • [18:23:42] <null__> many of them are way over, and meant for the device to have a resistor and cap or two
  • [18:24:05] <null__> really have to watch what you plug in to things sometimes :|
  • [18:24:48] <null__> now if i can find a mini b > mini b usb i'll have a hub and usb->eth .. but i dont think i have one
  • [18:25:05] * mru has a wall-wart that outputs 18V AC
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  • [18:25:28] <null__> yes
  • [18:25:50] <null__> i really dont know how "clean" this one is, just that the voltage is ok-ish
  • [18:26:30] <null__> which could cause problems, but it has a fairly heavy plastic cyl. on the cord near the dc jack, i'm guessing there is a cap in there
  • [18:26:52] <mru> more likely a ferrite core
  • [18:27:08] <null__> ah
  • [18:27:27] <null__> i'm not real huge on electonics, trying to learn more
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  • [18:28:31] <null__> this monitor has a hub too, but it wants a B type connector as well, B->miniB i dont have either
  • [18:30:02] <null__> OTG would work but i doubt any of these cables are miniA, i do have about 20 A->mini*, is there any way to tell ? some came with devices that "might" use a diff. usb, IC programmers etc
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  • [18:39:14] <jkridner> null__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Types_of_USB_connector shows you what the connectors look like from the end.
  • [18:39:35] <jkridner> squared off corners vs. angles will tell you if you have mini-A or mini-B.
  • [18:40:38] <null__> eh i thought they looked the same
  • [18:40:52] <null__> and that jack will take either?
  • [18:41:13] <null__> looks tapered to me
  • [18:42:20] <adj> null__: http://www.hervanta.com/wiki/images/f/f3/Kaikki2.jpg
  • [18:42:39] <adj> starting from left: mini-B, mini-A, micro-B, micro-A
  • [18:43:17] <null__> ah
  • [18:43:23] <null__> then i have none ;|
  • [18:43:46] <null__> have a microB
  • [18:44:52] <null__> guess i'd best force eth over usb to work or do a lot of sd card swapping to test bins
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  • [18:47:39] <null__> or splice a cable and make a miniB->miniB
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  • [20:09:01] <null__> OE builds xorg gnome and everything possible for a console image but it doesn't add c++ libs to it ???
  • [20:09:41] <mru> why would anyone want c++ libs? ;-)
  • [20:09:50] <null__> ;p
  • [20:10:06] <null__> are they in ipk format somewhere ?
  • [20:12:09] <mru> sorry, don't know
  • [20:12:16] <mru> koen would know
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  • [22:10:04] <jkridner> calculus: I suppose you are at SCaLE now?
  • [22:10:17] <jkridner> you running Pidgin on the BeagleBoard?
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  • [22:23:46] <null__> everytime i bridge my eth0 with usb0 my dns no longer works even with correct gw, and dhcp never works on the bboard anyhow, anyone have any idea what might be going wrong ?
  • [22:24:19] <null__> pisses the gf off too, streaming media off the network ;)
  • [22:24:20] <jkridner> I don't have any problems with dhcp. Have you tried 'udhcpc eth0'?
  • [22:24:58] <null__> on the host pc ?
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  • [22:25:21] <null__> i used hdhcpc usb0 on the bboard
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  • [22:25:33] <null__> and it never finds the dhcp server its connected to :|
  • [22:25:36] <jkridner> oh... I have had problems running both eth0 and usb0 on my Beagle at the same time, probably not setting up the netmasks.
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  • [22:26:10] <jkridner> I haven't tried hdhcpc on the beagleboard.
  • [22:26:15] <null__> i'll look into it further, i can ping back and forth, but when i bridge networks on hostpc so beagle will have internet, it isn't too happy
  • [22:26:33] <jkridner> usb0 means that you are using RNDIS, not a USB-to-ethernet adapter?
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  • [22:26:47] <null__> i'm only running usb0 (yes RNDIS)
  • [22:27:15] <null__> i have a usb to eth. but not the correct usb cable to connect to the hub, and not in an area where i can purchase one
  • [22:27:20] <jkridner> k. so, eth0 is on the host and you've bridged it and can no longer access the beagleboard from the host?
  • [22:27:45] <null__> yes, i bridge, but the host pc can't access outside world afterwords
  • [22:28:23] <null__> its odd
  • [22:28:32] <null__> it can ping beagle, thats it
  • [22:28:43] <jkridner> I'm probably not going to be good at answering networking questions on the host.
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  • [22:29:10] <jkridner> guess you followed the howto on the mailing list for bridging?
  • [22:29:11] <null__> all i really need is ssh/scp, i should be able to do those without bridging
  • [22:29:29] <null__> i followed some brief bit of info, i'm not on the mailing list
  • [22:30:51] <jkridner> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/aaf290080d1f0c24/2bea8c24c8679bf8?lnk=gst&q=bridge+network#2bea8c24c8679bf8
  • [22:31:15] <null__> yes that
  • [22:31:54] <null__> oddly it seems wrong in two regards
  • [22:32:07] <null__> old syntax on brctl but thats not a big deal
  • [22:32:27] <null__> but for usb0 to exist on the host, you have to give usb0 an ip address on the beagle and do ifconfig usb0 up
  • [22:32:31] <null__> then it shows up here
  • [22:33:09] <null__> hmm dropbear is running and i can ping the beagle but it refuses ssh
  • [22:34:43] <null__> I just want some way to test my code without swapping a SD card in and out and rebooting ;|
  • [22:36:00] <mru> yeah, that gets tedious very quickly
  • [22:36:14] <null__> tbh i haven't even tried, i know better
  • [22:36:27] <null__> i had to test code by writing to eeprom once
  • [22:36:30] <null__> never again
  • [22:37:02] <null__> and it was RE work on flat bins that used a custom ld script
  • [22:37:05] <mru> could've been worse
  • [22:37:09] <mru> could've been eprom
  • [22:37:11] <null__> it was ;)
  • [22:37:20] <null__> err
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  • [22:37:47] <mru> I mean the kind you bake in UV for half an hour or more to erase
  • [22:37:48] <null__> thats true, but i never did get it working
  • [22:38:07] <null__> yea, royal pain anyhow
  • [22:38:19] <null__> just found out there was a contest
  • [22:38:31] <null__> going to come up with an entry even if its nothing big
  • [22:41:16] <mru> any entry is welcome
  • [22:42:25] <null__> does anyone use the usb eth gadget ? I'm assuming i'm just doing something wrong here
  • [22:42:35] <mru> I'm using it
  • [22:42:38] <mru> works a treat
  • [22:42:52] <mru> linux pc? or windows?
  • [22:43:00] <null__> linux pc
  • [22:43:04] <mru> good
  • [22:44:18] <null__> the only thing close to an error that i get is on beagle when sending discover: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
  • [22:44:36] <null__> i'm guessing that is from it not finding a dhcp server
  • [22:45:33] <mru> you could try assigning a static IP address
  • [22:46:22] <null__> well that is what i've done now afaik .. on beagle "ifconfig usb0 10.10.1.2" on pc "ifconfig usb0 10.10.1.1"
  • [22:46:31] <null__> ping goes back and forth ok
  • [22:46:37] <mru> that's good
  • [22:46:53] <null__> but i cannot connect via ssh to 10.10.1.1
  • [22:47:24] <mru> on the pc, you need to ssh 10.10.1.2
  • [22:47:37] <mru> 10.10.1.1 is the address of the pc on the beagle-pc link
  • [22:47:45] <null__> err duh i'm pinging the pc interface
  • [22:47:49] <null__> ping doesn't work then :|
  • [22:48:54] <mru> on the pc, run "tcpdump -i usb0" while pinging the pc IP from the beagle
  • [22:48:54] <null__> err netmask is wrong on pc side, defaulted to 255.0.0.0
  • [22:49:24] <mru> that shouldn't make it break, but it's still good to set it right
  • [22:49:40] <mru> which kernel version are you running?
  • [22:51:52] <null__> works now
  • [22:51:53] <null__> Linux beagleboard 2.6.28-omap1 #1 Fri Feb 20 22:48:37 EST 2009 armv7l unknown
  • [22:52:30] <mru> 2.6.29-rc3-omap1-05497-gb4a37ce here
  • [22:52:55] <mru> that has some extra patches applied
  • [22:53:46] <null__> the kernel i built is 2.6.29-* from git , but i got frustrated with my rootfs and built OE and this is what it spit out
  • [22:54:05] <mru> so it's standard OE kernel?
  • [22:54:11] <null__> yes
  • [22:54:24] <null__> seems to be working nicely now guess i should have checked the host pc networking first
  • [22:54:41] <mru> oh, it fixed itself?
  • [22:55:08] <null__> bad netmask on pc side
  • [22:55:49] <mru> I'm surprised that was the cause
  • [22:55:52] <null__> didn't notice it until i started digging
  • [22:55:57] <null__> me too
  • [22:56:07] <null__> since it should still work technically
  • [22:56:08] <mru> setting the netmask too wide doesn't usually impact the local net
  • [22:56:38] <null__> esp. as i used a 10.*.*.* which is different from my hosts net
  • [22:56:57] <null__> but i can ssh in now thankfully
  • [22:57:08] <null__> will try scp in a min
  • [22:58:45] <mru> I have about a dozen things with IP address here
  • [22:59:14] <mru> scattered over 8 public IP addresses and several private nets
  • [23:00:23] <null__> nice
  • [23:00:30] <mru> it got a bit easier when I figured out how to make the beagles always get the same address
  • [23:02:20] <null__> i bet
  • [23:02:26] <null__> how do accomplish that?
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  • [23:02:43] <mru> depends a bit on the rest of your system of course
  • [23:03:03] <mru> what are you running on the pc?
  • [23:04:57] <null__> xubuntu
  • [23:05:08] <null__> x64
  • [23:05:56] <null__> normally slack but i find it lacking these days and ubuntu sold me on its package manager (until it breaks, then its a royal pain)
  • [23:07:25] <mru> is there a way you can assign ip addresses of hot-plugged devices based on the mac address?
  • [23:08:11] <null__> well that would do the trick for sure, a little script would do it
  • [23:08:25] <null__> whether one exists, likely it does
  • [23:08:32] <mru> I run gentoo and there it's very simple
  • [23:08:33] <null__> all the beagles use a similar mac ?
  • [23:08:48] <mru> by default it's random
  • [23:08:58] <mru> but you can set it to anything you like with a kernel option
  • [23:09:24] <mru> g_ether.host_addr=11:22:33:44:55:66
  • [23:09:33] <mru> just pick one from a private range
  • [23:09:45] <null__> cool, i'll have to try that out
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