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  • [00:03:00] <Crofton|work> CruNcher, I am pretty sure they do
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  • [00:20:18] <brphelps> I have the latest Angstrom demo running on 2.6.28-omap1, how do I get s-video working?
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  • [00:24:38] <Crofton|work> brphelps, on the Beagle, search the list archives
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  • [00:30:43] <brphelps> Crofton|work, I did, I get different results, none of which seem to work
  • [00:31:07] <Crofton|work> that's my best answer
  • [00:31:18] <Crofton|work> I don't have S-video here
  • [00:31:33] * Crofton|work wonders why so many people are interested in s_video ....
  • [00:31:55] <brphelps> Crofton|work, some legacy sytems are ntsc video based
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  • [00:32:39] <brphelps> Crofton|work, I am providing a video stream to a client who only has ntsc
  • [00:32:51] <Crofton> ah
  • [00:33:29] <brphelps> Crofton|work, Its a black screen, I have no idea if it defaults to PAL or NTSC
  • [00:33:53] <brphelps> theres no info on this, what info there is is very sparse
  • [00:34:03] <brphelps> echo "tv e:1" > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/displays
  • [00:34:10] <brphelps> seems to do something
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  • [01:52:05] <leslie> Hi all, I want to use kdrive as Xserver on beagleboard, I found some bb files in xserver-kdrive-common folder, do I need to install them all?
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  • [04:19:59] <leslie> Hi, anyone knows how to get kdrive working on beagleboard?
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  • [04:59:54] <kulve> leslie: why? I think there's not many reason why to use kdrive instead of X.Org. I think ?ngstr?m should have them both packaged (Xorg,Xfbdev are the binary names)
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  • [05:05:38] <leslie_> kulve: xorg is too big
  • [05:07:04] <leslie_> kulve: kdrive may be faster than xorg
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  • [05:14:05] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgSNPELT3Pk&fmt=22 <- this should be also possible with the beagleboard and TIs Properiatary Codec right ?
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  • [06:01:19] <nvine> Hello all, I am a newbie and I need help. I am unable to get the display on the s-video. After booting I tried the command, echo 'tv' > /sys/class/display_control/omap_disp_control/video1 , but there is not such directory
  • [06:01:32] <nvine> does anybody know how to fix this?
  • [06:01:56] <leslie__> Hi all, when I do configure, it has an error like this: crt1.o: No such file: how to solve this?
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  • [06:33:45] <cool_technocrat> Hey can anyone tell me where to download linux kernel patch for beagle board
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  • [06:53:25] <garren|work> morning all
  • [06:56:48] <AV500> gm
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  • [07:25:23] <julian> buenas dias
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  • [08:02:08] <chocirkan> Hello. Question about mux control on beagle board
  • [08:02:28] <chocirkan> which is, can i make all pins on expansion header into gpio pins?
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  • [08:05:53] <garren|work> chocirkan: you will have to look at the datasheet but I dont think you can.
  • [08:06:36] <chocirkan> garren|work: thanks. i have been reading bbsrm_6 and see it says 3 options using mux control.
  • [08:07:07] <garren|work> ok... so can you make all the pin into gpio?
  • [08:07:21] <chocirkan> under option b, which gives 11 gpio pins, i still see that the other signals
  • [08:07:40] <chocirkan> come from separate balls and each of those balls has 4 signals each
  • [08:08:03] <chocirkan> and the balls that i looked at have gpio each
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  • [08:08:31] <chocirkan> garren|work: that is what i am unsure about :)
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  • [08:10:02] <chocirkan> i am looking at table 17 in bbsrm_6 and omap3530 datasheet (table 2-1)
  • [08:10:26] <chocirkan> eg: option b shows that pin 11 is mcspi3_cs0
  • [08:10:32] <chocirkan> and not a gpio
  • [08:10:58] <chocirkan> but then looking at table2-1 in omap3530, mcspi3_cs0 comes from ball J26 which is mcspi3,dss,gpio_91 and safe_mode
  • [08:11:08] <chocirkan> so i believe i can make it into gpio_91 right?
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  • [08:13:03] <garren|work> chocirkan: I'm not to sure either
  • [08:21:24] <chocirkan> wish this kind of stuff was explained somewhere :)
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  • [08:22:19] <garren|work> chocirkan: wait for jkridner , or koen to wake up they know more of this kind of stuff.
  • [08:24:23] <chocirkan> garren|work: thanks
  • [08:24:51] <chocirkan> is there a mailing list? i tried the google groups but seems that subscription is no longer active
  • [08:26:06] <garren|work> chocirkan: the ml on google is active... Its very active. Search that and then if no solution post a question
  • [08:26:38] <garren|work> khasim: chocirkan was asking: can i make all pins on expansion header into gpio pins? could you help him?
  • [08:27:17] <chocirkan> i tried to subscribe http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard last week and the subscription still hasn't been approved. tried posting doesn't seem to show. last message on the list is jul 6 2008
  • [08:27:30] <ds2> it should work as GPIOs
  • [08:28:11] <ds2> last message on the beagle list is about 10 mins ago
  • [08:28:40] <chocirkan> ds2: ok, i mean all pins, eg: in option b, in table 17 of bb_srm6 it shows pin 11 is mcspi3_cs0 in option b mode
  • [08:29:24] <chocirkan> it seems to suggest that in option b, pin 11 is not a gpio
  • [08:29:36] <chocirkan> if i pick option a or c, then i lose other pins
  • [08:29:36] <garren|work> chocirkan: those messages are all tagged to the top, you have to look on the next page for the latest... it is confusing initially.
  • [08:30:38] <chocirkan> garren|work: ok. i see now
  • [08:31:16] <ds2> each pin can be configured for seperate options
  • [08:34:15] <ds2> since you are't reading the list, I am guessing you are not the person that just asked yesterday?
  • [08:37:16] <chocirkan> oh ds2 ! yes, that is me. i see my mail on the list now but not in my inbox
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  • [08:37:44] <leslie__> Hi, while bitbake building a image, in do_rootfs, it reports "Cannot find package xserver-kdrive" and "Cannot find package xf86-video-fbdev", but I do build these two packages, what is this error?
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  • [08:39:04] <ds2> chocirkan: then all you need to do is setup the pin mux's and they should all be doable as GPIO's
  • [08:39:34] <ds2> the main caveat is if you later move to a RevC, you will need to change the pin mux config
  • [08:40:32] <koen> leslie__: provider != package
  • [08:42:55] <leslie__> koen: oh, thanks~
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  • [08:49:30] <mib_f26iqw> d
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  • [09:00:38] <nvine> hello all, I would like to know if 2.6.18 is available for beagle board (because of dependency in building TI's cmem)
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  • [09:10:20] <koen> leslie__: you really don't want kdrive on beagle
  • [09:10:29] <koen> leslie__: it's buggy, unmaintained and sloooooooooooow
  • [09:10:39] <leslie__> koen: slow?
  • [09:10:41] <koen> nvine: the cmem in angstrom works with 2.6.28
  • [09:10:47] <koen> leslie__: yes, slooooooooooow
  • [09:11:05] <leslie__> koen: I have build it correctly, and the whole system is only 21M big
  • [09:11:11] <koen> leslie__: at least xorg has acceleration for omapfb, kdrive does everything in softare (and poorly)
  • [09:11:29] <koen> and with Xorg it would be around 22M
  • [09:12:30] <leslie__> koen: really? I build xserver-xorg for a total 100M...
  • [09:13:13] <leslie__> koen: I will try it again, may be I build some extra packages in it
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  • [09:13:25] <leslie__> koen: thanks a lot for your suggestion~~
  • [09:14:49] <nvine> koen: cmem in angstorm? how do I get the src code for this. (sorry if this is a trivial question)
  • [09:15:08] <nvine> I have got the kernel src through git
  • [09:19:19] <koen> nvine: the cmem source is inside the codec-engine package you download from TI
  • [09:20:28] <Cru_N_cher> koen is the ti codec available for ms average joe ?
  • [09:23:02] <nvine> koen: thanks for the info, you probably meant dvsdk, I have dvsdk_3_00_00_27, but the cmem here fails to build :(
  • [09:23:40] <nvine> #warning LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= 2.6.18
  • [09:23:55] <nvine> so was looking for a older kernel
  • [09:24:06] <nvine> but I guess, I need to update my dvsdk instead of the kernel!
  • [09:24:31] <AV500> CMEM is pretty simple, rebuilding it with other/older kernels should not be hard
  • [09:24:46] <koen> nvine: the dvsdk includes codec-engine, yes, but you want codec-engine itself: https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/CE/index.html
  • [09:26:55] <nvine> dear koen, thanks for the info, but what I see is even though the CMEM is pretty simple, the version I have is for 2.6.18, and also due to differences in header files, it fails to build, I will try to get a newer version of Codec Engine.
  • [09:26:59] <nvine> thanks for your time
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  • [10:02:26] <florian> good morning
  • [10:02:55] <koen> florian: moin
  • [10:03:21] <garren|work> morning
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  • [10:49:04] <likewise> gm
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  • [10:56:18] <florian> hi likewise
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  • [10:57:04] <likewise> hi florian
  • [11:03:54] <mru> hi guys
  • [11:08:15] <florian> hi mru
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  • [11:13:51] <methril> good morning
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  • [11:14:25] <mib_iexz9x> right.
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  • [11:14:30] <REyM> Morning.
  • [11:16:38] <REyM> can the beagle board be powered trough the usb interface?
  • [11:17:28] <mru> REyM: yes
  • [11:17:34] <REyM> neat
  • [11:18:05] <mru> it might be possible to exceed 500 mA under extreme conditions though
  • [11:18:27] <REyM> So, a shockproof lcd and a usb gps receiver would make a nice navigational tool.
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  • [11:21:41] <REyM> I'm getting really exited :).
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  • [11:25:41] <REyM> are there already existing projects around that idea?
  • [11:30:26] <eFfeM> re
  • [11:30:52] <eFfeM> koen, i've rebuild everything and that seemed to resolve my python problems
  • [11:31:22] <koen> eFfeM: ah, one of those bugs
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  • [11:32:11] <koen> REyM: note that you need revC to power it over usb *and* use usbhost for the gps
  • [11:32:24] <koen> REyM: you could use a serial gps, though
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  • [11:36:40] <florian> koen: Or use an evil usb hub. I chave a Chinese one that makes it possible to use OTG as host and power the BB.
  • [11:37:09] <adj> ugly
  • [11:37:17] <koen> florian: ah, I thought the beagle didn't allow that
  • [11:38:00] <DJWillis> florian: got a link for that evil hub ;-)
  • [11:40:43] <florian> koen: Yes, i was a little bit surprised as well.
  • [11:41:30] <Stanchooo> koen when the stable version will support beagleboard ?
  • [11:41:37] <Stanchooo> can I do something to add the support ?
  • [11:41:47] <Stanchooo> stable version of oe
  • [11:41:48] <koen> Stanchooo: use .dev
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  • [11:43:28] <florian> DJWillis: hum well... i bought this one in a chinese shop. But I have seen one by Hama that looks the same at least.
  • [11:44:32] <Stanchooo> does .dev include the newest versions of the packages.. because currently I am using .dev version but it is old version .. and when I compile vlc it is compiled using the older packages (in oe)... when I did opkg update; opkg upgrade on beagleboard and then installed the VLC.ipk that I compiled.. I had these mismatches of avcodec libraries and so on ?
  • [11:47:57] <koen> Stanchooo: you have to keep .dev up to date
  • [11:49:58] <Stanchooo> this will check out the dev branch ?? git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded
  • [11:50:14] <DJWillis> Stanchooo: yep
  • [11:50:43] <florian> DJWillis: http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=C6993;GROUPID=3349;ARTICLE=75010;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=27M@Ys0awQARsAAAxeV2Q25d03ec4229a2a56f7093ac2eb8ac551
  • [11:51:08] <florian> Sorry for the nasty link, but that's how it looks like.
  • [11:51:08] <DJWillis> florian: i'll look it out, Hama is quite common in these parts :).
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  • [11:52:47] <RobertK> Good morning
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  • [12:00:02] <eFfeM> koen, can you do ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/coherence/upnp/core/xml-service-descriptions/ContentDirectory*
  • [12:00:37] <eFfeM> or only ls, for me this file ends upon 0000644 but data.tar says it ends on .xml
  • [12:01:47] <eFfeM> guess it is an off by one error in opkg
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  • [12:16:49] <Stanchooo> I co the last dev version but I get Error, Your PACKAGE_ARCHS field contains duplicates. Perhaps you set EXTRA_PACKAGE_ARCHS twice accidently through some tune file?
  • [12:17:02] <Stanchooo> I don't see such duplicates
  • [12:18:33] <koen> root@beagleboard:~# ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/coherence/upnp/core/xml-service-descriptions/ContentDirectory*
  • [12:18:36] <koen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14192 Feb 5 19:03 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/coherence/upnp/core/xml-service-descriptions/ContentDirectory1.xml
  • [12:18:39] <koen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15506 Feb 5 19:03 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/coherence/upnp/core/xml-service-descriptions/ContentDirectory2.xml
  • [12:18:42] <koen> eFfeM: that's why I get
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  • [12:20:38] <eFfeM> koen, that is correct but with my just build version from svn 1161 I get 0000644 at the end of the name
  • [12:20:54] <eFfeM> and this is on a freshly installed card
  • [12:25:55] <Stanchooo> koen can I use the old profile.sh and conf/local.conf ?
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  • [12:33:24] <koen> Stanchooo: not really
  • [12:33:40] <koen> Stanchooo: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
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  • [12:36:41] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [12:36:52] <koen> hey jkridner
  • [12:37:17] <jkridner> anything new today?
  • [12:37:24] <florian> hi jkridner
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  • [12:46:31] <garren|work> morning jkridner
  • [12:48:29] <jkridner> hi koen, florian, garren|work
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  • [12:52:15] <Stanchooo> koen How should I send you a patch for vlc just to update it in the repository adding --enable-realrtsp and --enable-v4l in EXTRA_OECONF in org.openembedded.dev/packages/vlc/vlc_0.9.8a.bb.They are useful options
  • [12:53:12] <koen> git checkout -b yourname/vlc ; git commit packages/vlc ; git format-patch -1 ; git checkout origin/org.openembedded.dev
  • [12:53:29] <koen> mail the the 0001-.... file it generates
  • [12:57:25] <Stanchooo> do I have permissions for commit
  • [12:57:26] <Stanchooo> ?
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  • [13:02:12] <koen> Stanchooo: git is a distributed tool, so you can allows commit
  • [13:02:24] <koen> Stanchooo: pushing changes back however, will not work
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  • [13:22:03] <[X]Spot> koen when I want to set git config --global user.email "s.popov@rsc.bg"
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  • [13:22:12] <[X]Spot> why do I get : could not lock config file
  • [13:22:44] <koen> and if you leave out the --global?
  • [13:22:54] <koen> (and do it inside a git repo?)
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  • [13:27:01] <[X]Spot> koen
  • [13:27:04] <[X]Spot> here you are
  • [13:27:05] <[X]Spot> http://stancho.com/patches/0001-enable-realrtsp-option-added.patch
  • [13:27:05] <[X]Spot> ;)
  • [13:27:08] <[X]Spot> thanks man!
  • [13:29:18] <REyM> I'm totaly new to this, but how hard is it going to be to get this working on a beagle: http://nl.farnell.com/sharp/lq035q1dh01/lcd-tft-3-5-qvga-led-touch/dp/1685283 ?
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  • [13:31:49] <[X]Spot> koen, how long will it take to be reviewed and updated ?
  • [13:32:04] <koen> [X]Spot: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=1abbf0b0f7d8e04b5293bf23ae89028e06bcb260
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  • [13:34:44] <[X]Spot> ok. cool ;)
  • [13:35:03] <[X]Spot> will it be updated in the feed .. when I do opkg install vlc ?
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  • [13:45:13] <suihkulokki> http://pastebin.com/m21a66163 <- anyone else seen kernel oops beagle with 2.6.28 kernel?
  • [13:46:28] <koen> suihkulokki: I haven't seem it oops in swapper
  • [13:46:41] <koen> suihkulokki: you could try a newer uboot
  • [13:47:05] <koen> suihkulokki: try http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/conf/beagleboard/sd/u-boot.bin
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  • [13:56:36] <[X]Spot> koen ?when will I be able to update with opkg ?
  • [13:57:37] <koen> [X]Spot: tomorrow morning or so, after the cronjob has run
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  • [14:08:19] <suihkulokki> koen: thanks, that helped
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  • [15:23:08] <[X]Spot> koen, btw when I was building glibc I received an error make[1]: /home/bitbake/oe/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/install: Command not found ..and I had to do:
  • [15:23:09] <[X]Spot> ln -s /usr/bin/install /home/bitbake/oe/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/install
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  • [15:25:06] <[X]Spot> maybe 'install' should be commited in the repository or the the link to 'install' in glibc should be changed to /usr/bin/install
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  • [15:26:38] <koen> install-native should provide it
  • [15:28:32] <Crofton|work> I hate git
  • [15:28:44] <Crofton|work> well, I hate git docs
  • [15:28:50] <Crofton|work> and I hate dotster dns
  • [15:28:59] * Crofton|work is in a hating mood
  • [15:29:15] <craw> you could say you love to hate?
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  • [15:29:29] <Crofton|work> sometimes
  • [15:29:34] <Crofton|work> I will get over it though
  • [15:29:38] <Crofton|work> hate is a waste
  • [15:29:43] <Crofton|work> make love not war
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  • [15:29:55] <craw> my dummies book has finally arrived <3
  • [15:29:58] <Vincent2> Hello
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  • [15:30:48] <Vincent2> I am trying to build a helloworld module for linux on OMAP3
  • [15:31:16] <Vincent2> but when I compile, I got some undefined symbols
  • [15:31:34] <DJWillis> Just a quick question, any OTG lead that works on the N810 should work on the Beagle right? (a friend has my Beagle and thinks he picked up a diff OTG lead).
  • [15:31:35] <Vincent2> like : error : CONFIG_DRAM_BASE undefined
  • [15:32:28] <Vincent2> should I define these symbols myself, or should I include a config file ?
  • [15:33:15] <DJWillis> Vincent2: sounds like your build env. is flawed
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  • [15:35:31] <koen> DJWillis: yes, but iirc the n810 doesn't supply power
  • [15:35:44] <Vincent2> DJWillis: I just downloaded the SDK, and didn't make any modif
  • [15:35:45] <koen> DJWillis: wait!
  • [15:35:51] <koen> DJWillis: isn't n810 micro usb?
  • [15:36:21] <DJWillis> koen: I know it will not supply power, hmmm, your right, yep, the 800 is MiniB.
  • [15:38:55] <kulve> n810 is micro usb. n800 does supply 100ma when switched to host mode (maybe n810 too..?)
  • [15:39:16] * DJWillis wonders what lead his friend has managed to find :-o and feels a little unsure about it being connected to his Beagle :(.
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  • [15:40:37] <koen> micro usb was invented to annoy people
  • [15:40:57] <koen> its redeeming features is higher insertion cycle count
  • [15:41:21] <DJWillis> koen: it is rather pointless, just what USB needed, another option..
  • [15:41:54] <koen> firewire FTW
  • [15:42:09] <DJWillis> I think I will just post him one of my good OTG leads.
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  • [15:47:54] <Vincent2> Can you confirm me the comand to compile a simple helloworld module is : arm-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I$(KERNELDIR)/include -O -Wall -c hello.o hello.c ?
  • [15:48:26] <koen> it is
  • [15:48:26] <koen> it isn't
  • [15:48:31] <koen> you need to hook nto kbuild infrastructure to get the right include paths
  • [15:48:49] <koen> and use the same toolchain as the kernel was built with
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  • [15:49:28] <Vincent2> It seems every paths are ok
  • [15:50:57] <kulve> anybody familiar with the TI kernel video output? If I understood it correctly, they don't have an /dev/fb1 like the dss1/2 implementations? But I need to use v4l2 interface for it?
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  • [15:51:49] <Vincent2> koen: here is my makefile : http://nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=24195
  • [15:52:50] <koen> Vincent2: a) CSL 2008-qX is broken
  • [15:53:11] <koen> Vincent2: b) you need to hook into kbuild, see how existing external modules (not TI ones!) do it
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  • [15:54:40] <Vincent2> ok koen, thx ... but what's wrong in 2008-qX ? I had no problem while compiling the kernel with it
  • [15:55:19] <koen> Vincent2: check http://hardwarebug.org/
  • [15:55:23] <DJWillis> Vincent2: do you have really big balls ;-)
  • [15:55:28] <koen> Vincent2: what are you running on your beagleboard?
  • [15:56:01] <Vincent2> I'm not on beagleboard, but on EVM
  • [15:56:16] <DJWillis> Vincent2: using a TI image?
  • [15:56:27] * koen runs angstrom on both evm and beagle
  • [15:56:36] <koen> and those don't use CSL
  • [15:57:02] <DJWillis> koen: as do I.
  • [15:57:29] <Vincent2> DJWillis: using Mistral SDK, and rebuilding the kernel
  • [15:57:44] <Vincent2> ok, let's rebuild it with 2007q3
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  • [15:58:23] <DJWillis> Vincent2: what version? I understood even for the Mistral/TI systems it was 2007/Q3 only. Any reason you won't consider an upgrade?
  • [15:59:18] <Vincent2> 'cause the user guides of latest PSP tells to build with 2008
  • [16:00:13] * koen suspects TI is suffering from the "we paid for this $*(*$@($*@ POS, so we are going to use it" syndrom
  • [16:00:27] <DJWillis> Doh!, ok, I stand corrected.
  • [16:00:29] <Vincent2> lol
  • [16:01:16] <Vincent2> anyway, the latest PSP suffers of NFS bug of kernel 2.6.28, so I'll go back to PSP1
  • [16:01:29] <Vincent2> with 2007 :)
  • [16:03:00] <koen> eeeeew, NFS
  • [16:03:09] * koen uses rootfs on SD whenever possible
  • [16:03:23] * koen hugs sshfs
  • [16:03:37] <Vincent2> well when NFS works, it's very fine
  • [16:04:33] <koen> especially since the end product will use it as well
  • [16:04:36] <koen> oh, wait....
  • [16:04:55] <DJWillis> koen: those UBIFS OE patches looks fairly good, there quite close (but work) to what I have been trying for the Pandora. Is it worth me replying to the mailing list?
  • [16:05:11] <koen> DJWillis: yes
  • [16:06:48] <brijesh> Vincent2 - my nfs works okay after disabling cpu idle in power managment.
  • [16:07:27] <Vincent2> brijesh: on EVM or beagle ?
  • [16:07:35] <brijesh> EVM
  • [16:07:50] <Vincent2> which PSP ?
  • [16:08:31] <brijesh> vincent2- psp 02.01.01.01 on omap3evm
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  • [16:10:13] <koen> it's funny that TI uses all those dots in version numbers when their DSP toolchain chokes on a single dot in PWD
  • [16:10:23] <koen> </frustration with building CE>
  • [16:10:23] <Vincent2> brijesh: mmmmhh ... could this be the solution to my problem ... ? Where did you get the 02.01.01.01 ?
  • [16:10:37] <Vincent2> koen: lol, you're right :)
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  • [16:14:57] <Crofton|work> git checkout -b spi-work 45e5c5ffd32ade5a21a5e87b4040072590ec3ae1
  • [16:15:06] <craw> is there a way to profile a dsplink application?
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  • [16:15:35] <brijesh> vincent2 - it was internal release. while googling i found the linux-2.6.28 has this issue and somebody suggested that their is some in pm cpu idling code and hence i disabled it to contigue my work
  • [16:15:43] <koen> craw: I think so, but I have only see it done with CCS
  • [16:16:13] <craw> koen: thanks, then i'll look into the eval version
  • [16:16:36] <craw> and will need a windows box
  • [16:17:30] <Vincent2> brijesh: I am rebuilding the kernel after having disabled the cpu idling ... thx a lot if it works :)
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  • [16:27:49] <fischer1> Hi, following the instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit, we can build successfully on Ubuntu 8.04, but when I try on Ubuntu 8.10 it fails. Details at http://beagle.pastebin.com/m711df2b6 I am not familiar with intltool-update (which seems to be chopping off the first few characters of my path). Has anyone seen this before?
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  • [16:29:04] <Vincent2> brijesh: do you know why SDIO is no more supported in PSP2 ?
  • [16:29:35] <DJWillis> fischer1: what shell are you using? /bin/sh --version?
  • [16:30:22] <koen> ubuntu 8.10 uses -DFORTIFY_SOURCE, which breaks tons of apps
  • [16:30:42] <koen> it enabled extra checking macros in glibc
  • [16:33:15] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh, not dash then (sorry default response for Ubuntu + compile breaks) ;-)
  • [16:34:22] <koen> yeah
  • [16:34:24] <koen> safe bet :)
  • [16:34:33] <koen> -DFORTIFY_SOURCE is pretty neat
  • [16:34:50] <koen> but lots of apps are not coded properly enough to survive it
  • [16:35:05] <brijesh> vincent2: don't know sorry
  • [16:35:47] <brijesh> vincent2: do u know if SDIO stack is part of standard kernel?
  • [16:36:04] <koen> it is
  • [16:36:18] <koen> since .25 or so
  • [16:36:49] <ogra> DJWillis, how does dash break compiles ? i have only yet seen it breaking with crappy shellscripts that ignored POSIX :)
  • [16:37:26] <ogra> (note that we have no issues at all with dash in the 9.04 armel port)
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  • [16:38:05] <DJWillis> ogra: ok, I know it does not really break anything but rather shows up crappy scripts that are attached more often then not to compiles ;-).
  • [16:38:21] <koen> sdio got merged in 2.6.23-rc8
  • [16:38:37] <ogra> yeah :)
  • [16:38:39] <koen> ogra: the gtk+ dudes messed up their libtool script
  • [16:38:42] <tomba> anyone tried running X on two framebuffers, as this guy on mailing list is asking? I guess it should work fine, but needs some manual work to enable it.
  • [16:39:01] <ogra> koen, i think thats fixed again
  • [16:39:04] <koen> tomba: 2 framebuffers in what way?
  • [16:39:12] <Vincent2> well the release note of PSP2 indicates that SDIO is no more supported
  • [16:39:26] <tomba> two X processes, one using fb0 and one fb2, for example
  • [16:39:35] <Vincent2> although PSP2 uses kernel 2.6.28
  • [16:39:41] <tomba> or, if possible, one X process using two framebuffers
  • [16:40:11] <tomba> I guess keyboard & mouse are tricky with two X processes
  • [16:40:44] <koen> isn't it a matter of loading both omapfb and fbdev
  • [16:40:50] <koen> and poiting fbdev to /dev/fb2?
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  • [16:41:20] <tomba> oh, and Xv initializes both fb1 and 2, I think. so Xv needs to be disabled
  • [16:41:33] <tomba> koen: I guess so. I was just wondering if anyone actually tried =)
  • [16:41:45] <eFfeM> koen, can you comment on the edibility of http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3261429566/ ? it does look "interesting"
  • [16:41:52] <koen> iirc xv only touches fb0 and fb1
  • [16:42:29] <tomba> hmm at least I've seen dss debug prints for both fb1 and 2 when X starts
  • [16:42:29] <koen> eFfeM: it tastes great
  • [16:42:37] <koen> eFfeM: it's kind of like wentelteefjes
  • [16:42:54] <koen> eFfeM: but I made it with a kaiserbroodje en donkervolkoren
  • [16:42:58] <DJWillis> Vincent2: I wonder if they mean the TI hackjob SDIO glue gunk is no longer supported? SDIO on OMAP3 via the Linux stack in 2.6.27/2.6.28 def. works ;-).
  • [16:43:04] <eFfeM> yeah guessed so, basically did it to draw the attention of others to the pic
  • [16:43:06] <fischer1> DJWillis: GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
  • [16:43:13] <eFfeM> afk 4 dinner
  • [16:43:46] <Vincent2> DJWillis: strange ...
  • [16:45:06] <DJWillis> Vincent2: without it the WiFi on the Pandora would not do a lot, mind you, we no longer use anything from the old TI BSP's, just Linux-OMAP and some selective patches.
  • [16:46:05] <Vincent2> ok DJWillis , thx for that information
  • [16:46:43] <Vincent2> DJWillis: and do you know if your SDIO WLAN uses polling method for interrupts ?
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  • [16:47:31] <DJWillis> Vincent2: if you have a desire the code is on git.openpandora.org (kernel and wifi driver module, pandora branch)
  • [16:47:44] <DJWillis> Vincent2: it can be configured up in several ways.
  • [16:47:56] <DJWillis> anyway, back in an hour or so.
  • [16:48:26] <Vincent2> ok, thx DJWillis
  • [16:48:31] <Vincent2> g2g, bye all
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  • [16:51:11] <fischer1> koen: I read up on FORTIFY_SOURCE (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags#-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2). However, the problem I am seeing is with intltool-extract, which is a perl script. Do you recommend I avoid 8.10 or does it make sense to dig into this a bit further?
  • [16:55:43] <koen> tomba: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/xorg-multifb.conf
  • [16:57:29] <koen> tomba: that works on my beagle
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  • [16:57:54] <koen> tomba: didn't check the output of fb2, just verified it didn't crash my beagle and that X uses both fbs
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  • [17:07:21] <tomba> koen: ok, nice. all is well then =)
  • [17:07:51] <koen> people with better X 5k1775 can suggest a better serverlayout
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  • [17:09:47] <koen> is an s 5 or 3 in leetspeak?
  • [17:10:42] <tomba> llooolllllllll 3 is e dunt u now anyting
  • [17:12:14] <koen> that doesn't answer my question completely :)
  • [17:12:39] * koen dusn't know anyting
  • [17:13:18] <tomba> not answering your question was part of the style
  • [17:13:42] <koen> I guessed as much :)
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  • [17:20:08] <dirk2> just fyi: eetimes europe article 'Dell has dragged the Linux-ARM Trojan horse inside the Wintel PC' http://www.eetimes.eu/213402554 . Not sure why it mentions Beagle, though. Most probably for the author 'powerful ARM == OMAP3' :)
  • [17:21:26] <koen> " other light applications under Linux, Mozilla and so on"
  • [17:21:31] <koen> mozilla a light app?!?!?
  • [17:23:34] <kulve> :)
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  • [17:25:00] <bgat> for anyone successfully running the embinux Android kernel: what video mode (x, y, @Hz) does your monitor report?
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  • [17:32:28] <jkridner> dirk2: nice to get the mention anyway. I put that into the queue for the BeagleBoard.org RSS feed earlier this morning.
  • [17:32:37] <jkridner> it takes a while for the yahoo pipe to refresh.
  • [17:32:56] <koen> maybe it's clogged
  • [17:33:00] <dirk2> jkridner: yes, saw that it is RSS feed already. You are too fast for me ;)
  • [17:38:06] <dirk2> regarding OMAP3 and open source (openOCD) JTAG: keesj works on this http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=e5e16330902091450t2138127dj40bd7e69388f72c0%40mail.gmail.com , and from the answer it seems that OMAP3 JTAG architecture is really 'new, non-standard' for existing open source tools
  • [17:38:33] <dirk2> 'This is quite special JTAG sequencing, indeed.'
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  • [17:49:43] <dirk2> jkridner: seems that you are permanently at #u-boot (I couldn't find a log of it yet). Have you seen any news from j24 regarding pending 7 OMAP3 patches?
  • [17:49:50] <ali_as> Looks like TCK cycles are being shaved off for speed reasons. OpenOCD is rather brittle, ST20 for example needs Shift DR as a destination state and openocd won't do this. No idea about urjtag but this doesn't sound special.
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  • [17:52:04] <jkridner> dirk2: I see lots of toolchain questions with j24, but haven't seen anything related to OMAP3.
  • [17:52:21] <dirk2> ali_as: I'd wish I would understand more about JTAG :( Maybe I will find some time to learn more. But following the development, seeing that OpenOCD and urjtag has issues with this 'special' format sounds that some more work is needed :(
  • [17:52:49] <dirk2> jkridner: k. Thanks for being our #u-boot logger ;)
  • [17:53:26] <jkridner> some days ago there was this:
  • [17:53:36] <jkridner> j24: olegfink: sorry I've to work on other things
  • [17:53:36] <jkridner> j24: and dirk2 put me in a bad moon
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  • [17:55:08] <ali_as> I've written low level debugging programs for ST20 and MIPS, I looked at ARM but I becae frustrated both with the cheap hardware available (USB has issues..) and the way the open source software was built up. JTAG is very flexable and many companies decided to get creative for debugging solutions.
  • [17:55:46] <ali_as> (Low level debugging through JTAG ICE interfaces).
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  • [17:56:22] <jkridner> n6pfkk was poking around for omap3 u-boot questions for the beagleboard before that.
  • [17:57:12] <jkridner> doesn't look like omap3 was otherwise discussed since dirk2 and j24 were chatting.
  • [17:57:43] <dirk2> jkridner: the bad moon: Any hint when it was? Unfortunately I'm more and more confused by j24's patch handling. Maybe this is the problem.
  • [17:59:40] <jkridner> not sure when.
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  • [18:05:28] <[X]Spot> `koen .. do you have any idea what is this error caused by: http://stancho.com/pastebin/1237 ... I can remove this file .. but..
  • [18:05:33] <[X]Spot> everything is by defaul
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  • [18:06:51] <dirk2> jkridner: looking at the j24's patch handling, it seems to me that OMAP3 patches have to be 120% perfect, while with other patches (and j24's own patches) 70% 'perfectness' is good enough. Maybe it would help if we get an idea what's the issue behind this (or if this feeling is wrong ;) )
  • [18:08:36] <dirk2> jkridner: and the other issue is that it's hard for me to get an idea what is 'just a comment, make it better next time' and what is 'this needs to be fixed to get patch applied'. I discussed this already some weeks ago while OMAP3 core patch period, but unfortunately got no better idea after discussion.
  • [18:11:14] <koen> [X]Spot: no idea what's casuing that error
  • [18:11:43] <[X]Spot> ok, I will just move it ;)
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  • [18:12:10] <dirk2> so everybody: If someone likes to help or has an idea how to improve communication with u-boot maintainers, any help is appreciated. Unfortunately, I don't speak french :(
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  • [18:28:24] <Crofton|work> I trying to manually x-xcompile the kernel, and I ciopied the beagle defconfig to .config
  • [18:28:37] <Crofton|work> but it is trying to walk me through the configure stuff ...
  • [18:30:45] <dirk2> Crofton|work: cp defconfig .config; make menuconfig (or sth similiar); make uImage should work
  • [18:31:06] <koen> Crofton|work: stop trying to do it manually, it only wastes time ;)
  • [18:31:25] <Crofton|work> I am going to edit code ...
  • [18:31:34] <Crofton|work> I want to make a patch for SPI
  • [18:32:19] <Crofton|work> I'm confused why oldconfig did not do the right thing
  • [18:32:29] <ogra> did you set ARCH=
  • [18:32:33] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [18:32:47] <Crofton|work> I've made that mistake before
  • [18:33:00] <Crofton|work> that was my favorite way to brick the original OSK
  • [18:33:09] <koen> l-o git hardcodes arch to arm
  • [18:33:28] <Crofton|work> good :)
  • [18:33:39] <dirk2> Crofton|work: Try make menuconfig after you copied .config
  • [18:33:50] <Crofton|work> dirk2, that is what i did, well xconfig
  • [18:33:57] <Crofton|work> it is building now
  • [18:34:49] * koen uses 'make oldconfig'
  • [18:35:01] <koen> no new fangled X for me
  • [18:35:09] <ds2> get into the habbit of always doing 'make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=.... stuff"
  • [18:35:10] <koen> now get of my lawn ;)
  • [18:35:20] <koen> ds2: OE does that for me :)
  • [18:35:27] <ds2> BAH
  • [18:35:42] <ds2> OE doesn't run on all the platforms I care about :P
  • [18:35:44] <koen> computers are made for automation :)
  • [18:35:51] <Crofton|work> oldconfig was prompting for stuff
  • [18:36:00] <koen> OE is a buildsystem, it only needs to run on your host
  • [18:36:14] <ds2> alias armmake='make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=...' :P
  • [18:36:14] <koen> Crofton|work: yes, that means it doesn't know about various entries
  • [18:36:35] <ds2> let me rephase that, OE don't build for all the platforms I care about
  • [18:36:36] <Crofton|work> it seems weird, because I think I have the same version OE would check out
  • [18:36:37] <koen> ds2: you mean "angstrom doesn't run on the targets you care about"
  • [18:36:44] <Crofton|work> ds2, patches accepted :)
  • [18:36:46] <koen> Crofton|work: with patches?
  • [18:36:49] <ds2> koen: I mean OE
  • [18:36:52] <Crofton|work> doh
  • [18:36:59] <Crofton|work> thanks, that is it
  • [18:37:13] <ds2> Crofton|work: why? ;) things work find without yet another layer of obfuscation
  • [18:37:41] <Crofton|work> ds2, it all depends on the level of complexity of your application
  • [18:38:18] <ds2> Crofton|work: if anything, I'd patch things so I can do make CC=.... and have it do the right thing then and there
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  • [18:47:44] <jkridner> dirk2: assume all things are "fix now", not "fix later is OK".
  • [18:47:58] <jkridner> it worked last time to get the patches accepted.
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  • [18:52:44] <dirk2> jkridner: hmm, mainly yes, but not totally yes ;) In a patch review, some things are for discussion. Some examples: Do you remember pin mux patch, where wolfgang didn't like the formatting. We discussed a little and mentioned that we tried different formatting styles, and that everything else would make formatting even worse. then he agreed to leave it as it was.
  • [18:53:03] <dirk2> jkridner: or an other example:
  • [18:53:41] <jkridner> I understand, but wdenk essentially revoked his previous comment.
  • [18:53:48] <jkridner> until the comment was revoked, it applied.
  • [18:55:15] <dirk2> jkridner: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-February/046877.html "we may need to start to think about merge to the gpiolib to simplify it". This is IMHO only a comment, nothing to be fixed now
  • [18:56:49] <dirk2> jkridner: revoked/applied: Yes. But if maintainer gives a comment (like wolfgang did in above example) and we answer 'we think it's okay because of x and y', but then maintainer doesn't answer if he agrees to our view or stays with his view and want us to change it, what to do then?
  • [18:58:31] <dirk2> jkridner: To http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-February/046876.html I answered that from my point of view it makes no sense to split ~20 changed lines because we don't want to pollute git history and spam mailing list. With no answer (i.e. silence) I understand it as 'yes, okay'
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  • [19:00:58] <dirk2> jkridner: Else I would expect a clear 'please split it into x parts and put z in each part'. This would be a clear statement which could easily done. But without we don't know if we even have to split it for acceptence, or if we should do 2 parts, 3 parts or 6 parts.
  • [19:01:15] <jkridner> I think "spam" on the mailing is less of an issue to j24 in this case, but I'm not clear on that. I'm not sure exactly why you upset him at times, but I'd guess that it is because he wants to simplify his work.
  • [19:03:53] <dirk2> jkridner: I'm not sure why I upset him, too :( Knowing this would already help ;) Sure, no problem to help him simplify his work, if I only would have a clear idea how.
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  • [19:11:44] <keesj> dirk2: about urjtag. I will try the svf based aproach but it shows what the current status is. I have checked the sequence byte by bite and first need to determine if it's only the reset that gives problems or the whole flow in the state machine
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  • [19:13:24] <dirk2> keesj: Many thanks for your work! I'm a little disappointed how complicated thinks look today, I hoped to get it running easier. But you are doing a great job!
  • [19:15:56] <dirk2> keesj: I asked Google for some JTAG intros, and hope I will get your urjtag experiments working, too. Most probably I will come back with some questions ;)
  • [19:16:05] <keesj> I really think the problem lay in the urjtag and openocd implementation and changing openocd is not that easy but is what I want in the end. a first get it working on urjtag as it's more hackable
  • [19:16:45] <dirk2> easy to change/hackable: Yes, that's my impression, too
  • [19:17:08] <keesj> what really heppled for me was to use that analyzer as I can see who is doing the wrong thing
  • [19:17:50] <dirk2> unfortunately no analyzer here :(
  • [19:18:08] <keesj> but getting that setup every time is time consuming (I need two computers and a a clean kitchen table)
  • [19:18:48] <dirk2> what type of analyzer?
  • [19:19:32] <keesj> just a cheap logic analyzer so I can see the jtag signals
  • [19:21:23] <dirk2> which jtag clock frequency does flyswatter use?
  • [19:23:48] <keesj> it's based on what the ftdi chip can deliver
  • [19:24:50] <keesj> http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=srstrb1.png 4Mhz?
  • [19:24:59] <ali_as> OpenOCD has an annoying low level layer.
  • [19:25:18] <ali_as> The return to RT/I is pretty hardcoded.
  • [19:26:21] <keesj> ut we should be able to use svf apparently
  • [19:26:56] <ali_as> I gave up looking at it after talking to drath, even he wasnt happy with the way it was being altered.
  • [19:28:23] <ali_as> I'm not happy with FT232 (and clones) based hardware either.
  • [19:28:42] <keesj> they did quite some work to make it possible to enable/disable tap's on the fly but that did not pay off yet
  • [19:29:54] <keesj> but I have been using openocd for kernel debugging quite happely.
  • [19:30:30] <ali_as> Funny thing is, the very reason I originally wanted a beagle, was to have something that could interface to JTAG in a rapid and flexable manner.
  • [19:31:59] <keesj> it is still hobby for me that stuff so as long as it doesn't work but there is some progress I am quite happy
  • [19:32:36] <ali_as> Hobby for me too, but to get a reasonable data rate to a MIPS CPU, I want something like a 50MHz TCK :)
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  • [19:33:57] <keesj> 50MHz?
  • [19:34:29] <ali_as> JTAG clock frequency, yes.
  • [19:34:31] <keesj> I created this page about it http://elinux.org/DebuggingTheLinuxKernelUsingGdb
  • [19:35:25] <keesj> ali_as: the hardware I use doesn't allow this 42 or 4 mhz max
  • [19:35:50] <ali_as> "The open source JTAG debugging world is not that big." For ARM maybe ;P
  • [19:38:24] <keesj> I didn't know that.
  • [19:40:06] <ali_as> I waded through a lot for for own projects, OpenOCD has gone a long way, but it's too specialised, even though it doesn't think it is.
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  • [19:41:46] <ali_as> For ST20, you load a value into IR, move to shift DR and stay there. Clock and TDI/TDO becomes a serial interface.
  • [19:42:09] <ali_as> Essentially, Shift DR bcomes the end state.
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  • [19:43:21] <Xenion> Guten Abend folks
  • [19:44:33] <keesj> ali_as: I started gathering the code to do that for openocd using the embedded ice dcc channel
  • [19:45:06] * ali_as nods.
  • [19:46:27] <eFfeM> koen: python -c "from twisted import __version__;print __version__"
  • [19:46:27] <ali_as> I looked at the ARM ICE system briefly, along with a number of other chips. Never got as far as trying it. MIPS EJTAG is a mess, the early version is really smart and easy to code for and they gradually hacked it to bits in later versions to create something horrendous.
  • [19:47:23] <ali_as> (I think MIPS were probably after something that takes less space on silicon).
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  • [19:50:56] <koen> eFfeM: 2.1.0
  • [19:52:08] <eFfeM> koen, but we should have python 8.2.0 !
  • [19:52:19] <eFfeM> koen and that is also what I get if I run the command under opensuses
  • [19:52:24] <eFfeM> s/python/twisted/
  • [19:53:04] <eFfeM> and /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/twisted/_version.py is version = versions.Version('twisted', 8, 2, 0)
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  • [20:00:02] <bgat> keesj: what target did you test your DebuggingTheLinuxKernelUsingGdb procedure on? beagleboard, by chance?
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  • [20:05:45] <koen> eFfeM: weird indeed
  • [20:06:31] <dirk2> jkridner, jkridner|work, all: If there are any #u-boot OMAP3 pending patches news or ideas how we can help even more (see discussion above), send a mail or mention it here. I'll read the logs. bbl.
  • [20:07:52] <garren> if I want to specify to install my package in usr/bin how do I do that with bitbake?
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  • [20:11:36] <eFfeM> koen, found what happened: apparently the twisted 2.1.0 is in /usr/lib/python2.6/twisted whereas the 8.2.0 is in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/twisted
  • [20:11:52] <eFfeM> after I removed the first dir, the cmd said 8.2.0
  • [20:12:34] <eFfeM> but we're still missing python-twisted-protocols
  • [20:12:46] <eFfeM> testing
  • [20:13:42] <eFfeM> koen after removing the twisted dir and installing protocols i get both fsstore and apple trailers
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  • [20:13:51] <eFfeM> will fix the recipe for protocols
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  • [20:13:59] <eFfeM> no idea how to handle the dir thing
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  • [20:19:14] <eFfeM> koen one more q: if I move to a newer SRCREV for svn should i reset PR ?
  • [20:20:03] <eFfeM> or bump it
  • [20:20:45] <eFfeM> i'd say set to 0 as the package name has the rev in it so it changes, but i'd rather have a confirmation before making a mess :-)
  • [20:29:33] <eFfeM> koen, the faulty twisted comes from zope
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  • [20:35:45] <koen> eFfeM: the new PV needs to sort higher than the old one
  • [20:35:58] <koen> eFfeM: with svn you don't have to worry about PR
  • [20:36:07] <eFfeM> koen, yes but that is what the svn # takes care of
  • [20:36:20] <eFfeM> ok understood
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  • [20:37:33] <Guest99836> Hi all ... newby question : is there an olb library for the schematics available somewhere (or from someone) ?
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  • [20:40:22] <^JP^> or, could someone please link me with the responsible of the design of the schematics, please
  • [20:43:58] <koen> ^JP^: www.beagleboard.org
  • [20:44:51] <^JP^> ok, the schematics are there, but not the libraries
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  • [20:46:01] <^JP^> i mean, if the schematics are open sourced, why keep half the work out ?
  • [20:46:54] <^JP^> so I just want to have access to the libs and avoid hours of redesigning footprints for every components
  • [20:47:15] <^JP^> And I think it would be a good idea to share them
  • [20:49:06] <bgat> wouldn't do you any good if you weren't using the same CAD package as TI.
  • [20:49:58] <bgat> As an alternative, might I suggest you redo the design with gEDA and x11-pcb? Then put the footprints up on gedasymbols.
  • [20:50:37] <bgat> I don't know about the blind and buried vias, but gEDA is pretty capable of everything else a run-of-the-mill board would need. For me, anyway.
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  • [20:59:32] <^JP^> my CAD tool, even if it is not ORCAD, is able to import ORCAD files
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  • [21:03:20] <^JP^> so, no one may help me just link me with someone ?
  • [21:10:07] <koen> eFfeM: I think we should rm the twisted bits in zope in OE
  • [21:10:18] <eFfeM> guess so
  • [21:10:21] <koen> eFfeM: e.g. do_install_append() { rm }
  • [21:10:32] <eFfeM> also found a bug in busybox and opkg
  • [21:11:01] <koen> only one?
  • [21:11:10] <eFfeM> no :-)
  • [21:11:52] <eFfeM> but this one is irritating for coherence, the xml file I asked you to ls earlier today has a pathname of 100 bytes, and the room is 100 bytes, so it is not properly truncated
  • [21:12:00] <eFfeM> opkg uses the bb code
  • [21:12:02] <koen> python-nevow breaks coherence now
  • [21:12:11] <eFfeM> how come ?
  • [21:12:14] <eFfeM> building ?
  • [21:12:19] <koen> runtime
  • [21:12:30] <eFfeM> hm, for me it works
  • [21:12:30] <koen> or rather, breaks the web interface
  • [21:13:03] <eFfeM> ah, i do no thave python-nevow installed
  • [21:13:29] <eFfeM> as I installed my own version of coherence
  • [21:15:43] <koen> eFfeM: http://pastebin.com/d3cf11565
  • [21:17:00] <eFfeM> koen, hm, will ask dev in #coherence
  • [21:17:50] * koen goes wach some tv now
  • [21:19:35] <eFfeM> koen, apparently this is a known issue, the web ui is not well maintained and will be looked at in the near future
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  • [21:34:38] <arosenberg> I'm using the 2/3 Angstrom build. I notice that many characters draw as black boxes instead of the proper glyphs. Is there a known workaround?
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  • [21:35:13] <jkridner|work> bgat, ^JP^: we'd like the Beagle design to be as open as possible.
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  • [21:35:33] <jkridner|work> if there is some reasonable conversion utility that can be run, that'd be welcome.
  • [21:36:05] <jkridner|work> I think the gap is simply knowledge of free EDA tools.
  • [21:36:57] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: if you are even asking who the designer is, it tells me you haven't really explored what is already there.
  • [21:38:17] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: the beagleboard project is meant to scale, which means that answers are given to the community and the whole community benefits, rather than giving answers to individuals. individuals coming in new should be able to get answers from community people who have been around for a while.
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  • [21:39:07] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: I'm very happy to work with community individuals who have shown they are anxious to enable others with their work. if you want a more open hardware library and are willing to help create that, we'll support you.
  • [21:41:38] <vpdn> someone here can tell me what g_ether is doing? Is it sth like usbnet?
  • [21:42:13] <vpdn> I just started up my angstrom for the first time and saw windows popping up with 'new device found'
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  • [21:52:46] <koen> DJWillis: could you make your commit messages more in the form of http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/GitPhraseBook#Commit_Message ?
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  • [21:54:31] <florian> re
  • [21:54:41] <koen> florian: wb
  • [21:54:52] <eFfeM> wb
  • [21:55:17] <eFfeM> koen in zope i added the rm -rf and the end of the do_install that was already there
  • [21:55:38] <koen> eFfeM: ok
  • [21:55:43] <koen> eFfeM: is zope up to date?
  • [21:55:49] <eFfeM> no
  • [21:56:12] <eFfeM> they released 3.4.0 a week ago
  • [21:56:15] <eFfeM> (jan 30)
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  • [21:56:41] <eFfeM> but as a non python wiz, i feel not comfortable moving it forward
  • [21:59:26] <eFfeM> calling it a day
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  • [22:02:29] <DJWillis> koen: I did not expect anything to be commited, I expected comments. But noted.
  • [22:04:10] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: my apologies if I came across condescendingly. I just meant, I'm here to help you.
  • [22:05:25] <jkridner|work> also, if I missed request while I was away from my keyboard, I'd be happy for you to make that request to me now. I will see if there are 'olb' files to share.
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  • [22:07:26] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: I've sent a message to Gerald about the OLB files. If they exist, I expect he will share them (and I'll put them at http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design).
  • [22:09:11] <^JP^> excellent ! thank you !
  • [22:09:25] <^JP^> that s perfect for me
  • [22:09:35] <jkridner|work> "The footprints are in the Allegro CAD files."
  • [22:09:51] <^JP^> by the way, thanks all for the project
  • [22:10:03] <^JP^> that is his reply ?
  • [22:10:36] <jkridner|work> yes.
  • [22:10:44] <jkridner|work> do we need to get them outside of Allegro?
  • [22:11:27] <jkridner|work> one challenge is that the layout was done with Allegro.
  • [22:11:47] <jkridner|work> If there was some way to export them to something else, then we'd be happy to do that.
  • [22:12:01] <ds2> it may help to have it in a format used by inexpensive packages like Eagle
  • [22:12:53] <jkridner|work> is there a way to do an export to Eagle, gEDA, or x11-pcb?
  • [22:12:56] <^JP^> please do, when importing (at least mine) the tool request Allegro to be installed
  • [22:13:15] <jkridner|work> what tool do you have?
  • [22:13:22] <^JP^> Altium
  • [22:13:26] <ds2> not a layout, AFAIK.. schematics may be doable as a netlist export but you loose a bit of info
  • [22:13:32] <ds2> Altrium is $$$$$$$$$$$$
  • [22:13:42] <ds2> whereas Eagle is $$ ;)
  • [22:14:10] <^JP^> yes, but that not the matter, I do not request to be an Altium file
  • [22:14:14] <jkridner|work> if it isn't cheap, then I doubt Gerald would have both.
  • [22:14:27] <jkridner|work> then what is the tool to use for exporting?
  • [22:14:30] <^JP^> please export to orcad, i think it is the most common file
  • [22:14:44] <ds2> ^JP^: the question then becomes what version of OrCAD
  • [22:14:47] <jkridner|work> Orcad has a footprint definition?
  • [22:14:57] <ds2> they all can have part libraries, AFAIK
  • [22:14:57] <^JP^> importing from Orcad, i think is possible from Eagle
  • [22:15:27] <^JP^> the .olb library is supposed to do that
  • [22:15:45] <^JP^> for the version, I dont know if it is a real problem
  • [22:15:48] <^JP^> maybe
  • [22:16:53] <jkridner|work> if the footprints are in Allegro, how do we get them into Orcad to export to .olb?
  • [22:18:58] * jkridner|work acted as ^JP^'s forwarding service again, but must step away from this window for a bit now. ;) I suggest that this might be a good mailing list question as it doesn't seem like something that we'll fix in 5 minutes.
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  • [22:20:54] <^JP^> huummmm
  • [22:21:11] <^JP^> indeed, looks like an tricky question
  • [22:21:23] <^JP^> I do not know Allegro
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  • [22:22:29] <^JP^> if Gerald uses Allegro, please ask him to check if it possible to export it for Orcad ... it is both product from Cadence
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  • [22:34:17] <^JP^> ok thanks for the forwarding service ;) , I will try something know
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  • [23:02:05] <jkridner|work> ^JP^: "I finally had a chance to read the links. They are asking about schematic symbols. They are in the OrCAD schematic files. All they have to do is save them to a database for all parts. The OMAP symbols I believe can be downloaded from the web as well."
  • [23:02:21] * jkridner|work wonders why he is forwarding messages to Gerald still.
  • [23:11:41] <ds2> prehaps the IT dept needs help in exercising their mail server? :D
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  • [23:56:57] <tharvey> looks like the OMAP used on beagle has ntsc/svideo out directly from OMAP not needing any support on the beagleboard - is this correct?