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  • [03:52:20] <jkridner> odd. usbnet used to work for me with my mac.
  • [03:52:26] <jkridner> not sure what step I'm missing.
  • [03:53:05] <jkridner> I edited /etc/network/interfaces to have a valid IP address and gateway.
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  • [03:55:51] <jkridner_> interesting.
  • [03:55:55] <jkridner_> I had made a mistake on the 'network' entry.
  • [03:55:57] <jkridner_> when I fixed it and did an 'ifup usb0', I lost my network connection.
  • [03:55:59] <jkridner_> it came back when I did an ifdown on my beagle.
  • [03:56:26] <ds2> conflicting routes or overlapping IPs?
  • [03:56:53] <jkridner_> I have a NAT in my house and Angstrom's default network conflicts.
  • [03:57:05] <jkridner_> I guess that somehow it messed up the routing tables on my mac?
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  • [03:57:23] <jkridner_> I was able to 'ifup usb0' again and still have a net connection.
  • [03:57:28] <ds2> probally... ifup/down has these nasty side effects
  • [03:57:35] <jkridner_> but, my mac an beagle still cannot see each other.
  • [03:57:53] <ds2> what's the IP's of the beagle and mac?
  • [03:58:06] <jkridner_> beagle is 192.168.123.2
  • [03:58:13] <jkridner_> mac is 192.168.123.1
  • [03:58:24] <ds2> both /24s?
  • [03:58:35] <jkridner_> yup. netmasks of 255.255.255.0
  • [03:58:44] <ds2> I assume the beagle is a USBnet device directly on the mac?
  • [03:59:00] <jkridner_> already managed to crash the mac somehow when reconfiguring. :-/
  • [03:59:07] <jkridner_> yes.
  • [03:59:16] <ds2> also, is 192.168.123.1 theIP onthe USB device or on the ethernet device?
  • [03:59:27] <jkridner_> I'm trying to learn nice ways of networking with less hardware.
  • [03:59:53] <jkridner_> I want to document easy ways to get started with Beagle, so I am exploring for the simplest possible ways.
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  • [04:00:12] <jkridner_> USB device on the mac.
  • [04:00:21] <jkridner_> ethernet device on the mac is 192.168.0.107
  • [04:00:23] <ds2> it should work, I suspect there is a config error... I your setup working on my beagle
  • [04:01:07] <jkridner_> yeah, I've done this before.
  • [04:01:18] <ds2> hmmm bring up the networks, ping the beagle from the mac and run 'arp -an' on the beagle... is there a valid mac address shown?
  • [04:01:20] <jkridner_> I don't like that Angstrom makes the Ethernet address random.
  • [04:01:27] <jkridner_> means that I have to keep reconfiguring.
  • [04:01:38] <jkridner_> I'm going to disconnect and reconnect the USB.
  • [04:02:00] <ds2> it isn't angstrom, it is g_ether that does that
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  • [04:05:58] <ds2> any chance you have the equiv of iptables running on the mac blocking things? this happened to someone at ESC
  • [04:12:37] <jkridner> pulling and plugging the USB cable caused the mac to reboot.
  • [04:12:53] <jkridner> I'm not sure why iptables would be running.
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  • [04:13:03] <jkridner> I don't *think* I have the firewall installed.
  • [04:13:55] <ds2> don't suppose snarf, iptraff, etc is on either end? should find out if it is a one way connection or a two connection or both ends are dead
  • [04:14:32] <jkridner> rebooting the mac made it to where I can ping from each side now.
  • [04:14:35] <jkridner> now I just need to figure out how to get my beagle to see the Internet.
  • [04:14:40] <jkridner> not sure how to bridge on a mac.
  • [04:15:23] <jkridner> I don't have a proxy running like I do at work to forward my web requests.
  • [04:15:53] <ds2> Hmmmm on Linux, you enable NAT.. is there internet sharing on the mac?
  • [04:19:18] <jkridner> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8156.html
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  • [04:21:43] <jkridner> I have a pretty bad memory. I already had set it up before the last time I configured beagle, but forgot.
  • [04:22:06] <jkridner> because of the random mac address, looks like I'll end up doing it again and again.
  • [04:22:17] <ds2> the random mac shouldn't be an issue
  • [04:22:34] <ds2> but fell free to patch g_ether to use a fix address ;)
  • [04:22:48] <ds2> or holler if you want patches... I have that sitting aroundhere
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  • [04:24:56] <jkridner> thanks.
  • [04:25:05] <jkridner> now I have to remember how to configure the nameservers.
  • [04:25:25] <ds2> on beagle side? edit /etc/resolv.conf unless angstrom is doing something weird
  • [04:25:26] <jkridner> I can ping the nameservers, but putting them in /etc/resolve.conf doesn't seem to be enough.
  • [04:25:39] <ds2> using FQDN's?
  • [04:25:48] <jkridner> don't know what that means.
  • [04:25:54] <jkridner> just nameservers for my ISP.
  • [04:26:02] <ds2> FQDN == foo.bar.com instead of just 'foo'
  • [04:26:16] <jkridner> yeah, 'ping www.ti.com'
  • [04:26:30] <jkridner> root@beagleboard:~# ping www.ti.com
  • [04:26:30] <jkridner> ping: bad address 'www.ti.com'
  • [04:26:36] <ds2> also check /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure hosts mentions dns
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  • [04:27:30] <ds2> look for the 'hosts' line
  • [04:28:25] <jkridner> hosts: files dns
  • [04:29:02] <jkridner> the route is fine...
  • [04:29:04] <ds2> that looks fine
  • [04:29:08] <jkridner> root@beagleboard:~# ping 192.91.75.213
  • [04:29:08] <jkridner> PING 192.91.75.213 (192.91.75.213): 56 data bytes
  • [04:29:09] <jkridner> 64 bytes from 192.91.75.213: seq=0 ttl=240 time=37.506 ms
  • [04:29:10] <bkero> jkridner: echo 'nameserver 4.3.2.2' > /etc/resolv.conf
  • [04:29:26] <ds2> does nslookup work?
  • [04:29:35] <jkridner> no
  • [04:29:48] <ds2> wonder if port 53 is being blocked somewhere then
  • [04:29:48] <jkridner> already added the dns servers to /etc/resolv.conf
  • [04:31:12] <jkridner> found it...
  • [04:31:25] <jkridner> the DNS entries in my mac config are wrong.
  • [04:31:30] <jkridner> not sure why it is working on the mac.
  • [04:31:39] <jkridner> not sure where those addresses came from.
  • [04:31:53] <jkridner> I went to my NAT and asked what DNS entries my ISP was giving me.
  • [04:32:03] <ds2> heh... probally some random proxying going on or the rendavous (sp) stuff
  • [04:32:16] <jkridner> that is, what DNS entries my ISP was giving my router by DHCP.
  • [04:32:26] <jkridner> they worked fine.
  • [04:35:06] <jkridner> ah, the mac automatically added my router as one of the nameservers.
  • [04:35:50] <jkridner> I'm going to try having the mac as my nameserver. that should be something much easier to explain to people how to do, since the IP address will be fixed.
  • [04:36:53] <jkridner> oh, when looking for a terminal program, I would never have thought of using 'screen' if I didn't find that idea on the web somewhere.
  • [04:37:28] <ds2> heh
  • [04:37:58] <bkero> 4.3.2.2 and 4.3.2.1 are public nameservers, in a pinch :)
  • [04:38:03] <bkero> I use them when comcast DNS eats it
  • [04:38:22] <jkridner> ah, thanks bkero.
  • [04:38:39] <jkridner> I thought those were just examples. didn't realize they were live servers.
  • [04:38:43] <bkero> Also, you can use ns1.osuosl.org and ns2.osuosl.org as 140.211.166.130, 131
  • [04:38:48] <bkero> Yes :)
  • [04:38:52] <bkero> I think they're owned by verizon
  • [04:40:55] <jkridner> are 4.3.2.{12} trustworthy?
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  • [04:47:41] <bkero> Yes
  • [04:50:40] <jkridner> koen: dsplinkk now installs...
  • [04:50:45] <jkridner> root@beagleboard:~# modprobe dsplinkk
  • [04:50:45] <jkridner> root@beagleboard:~# lsmod
  • [04:50:45] <jkridner> Module Size Used by
  • [04:50:46] <jkridner> dsplinkk 115384 0
  • [04:50:46] <jkridner> ipv6 232844 14
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  • [04:52:59] <bkero> jkridner: 4.3.2.2 is Verizons internal nameserver
  • [04:53:09] <bkero> Sorry, the second ns is 4.2.2.2
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  • [05:14:43] <ds2> this seems too steep.... $650 to bring out all/most of the pins but $150 just to bring out a few...
  • [05:15:04] <bkero> That's a lot of money.
  • [05:19:50] <ds2> indeed, in light of the latest discussions on the list, I looked into existing things...the question (not sure if anyone will give a truthful answer)is how of the difference is pure profit and how much of it is actual costs
  • [05:20:30] <jkridner> you talking about boards?
  • [05:20:40] <jkridner> er, specifically the costs of the Beagle Board?
  • [05:20:57] <ds2> Beagle - 3530 + power + misc glue - $150
  • [05:21:07] <ds2> EVM CPU module only - 3530 + connectors - $650
  • [05:21:23] <jkridner> there's a lot more connectors.
  • [05:21:23] <ds2> so I am wondering how that $500 difference breaks up
  • [05:21:40] <jkridner> you also have to look at # of units and engineering/test costs.
  • [05:22:03] <jkridner> if you make 10,000, costs per board go down relative to making 1,000.
  • [05:22:08] <ds2> is the EVM THAT low of a volume?
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  • [05:23:29] <ds2> I can't imagine it running $200+ worth of extra connectors
  • [05:24:07] <ds2> the CPU module on the EVM should be close to what people are talking about on the list
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  • [05:40:52] <jkridner> well, there are 3 PCBs, instead of 1.
  • [05:41:09] <jkridner> 2 of those PCBs have 0.4mm ball-pitch devices.
  • [05:41:29] <jkridner> I think one of those 0.4mm ball-pitch device PCBs has 10 layers.
  • [05:42:01] <jkridner> all of those connections need to be tested.
  • [05:42:13] <jkridner> you have the LCDs.
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  • [05:44:23] <ds2> no, I mean just the CPU module, not all 3 things
  • [05:44:30] <ds2> all 3 boards is $1500ish
  • [05:44:32] <jkridner> oh, I guess I missed that you were talking about the CPU module only. is that the case?
  • [05:44:45] <ds2> the CPU module is just the 3530, no TWL/TPS companion
  • [05:44:51] <ds2> according to the websiteit is $650
  • [05:45:11] <jkridner> for a run of <100 beagle protos, I'd say it costs us about $500 per board.
  • [05:45:22] <ds2> size is right and brings out most of the pins PLUS it is POP so no high speed lines to route
  • [05:45:46] <ds2> I would like to see the argument that they plan to make less then 100 EVM CPU modules ;)
  • [05:45:49] <jkridner> if they were to ramp up the volume on those, I'd expect it to go down fast.
  • [05:46:08] <jkridner> well, it is the "at a time" part that matters.
  • [05:46:31] <jkridner> how many PCBs do you run at once.
  • [05:46:47] <ds2> even in 1K units which isn't that unreasonable, I'd think just doing the CPU costs less then $400
  • [05:46:54] <jkridner> I'm sure you could get a very nice volume discount.
  • [05:47:10] <jkridner> did they give 1k pricing?
  • [05:47:15] <ds2> the killer is finding a working PCB, beyond that...
  • [05:47:39] <ds2> Nope, just single units
  • [05:48:07] <ds2> a zoom runs around $800ish which is the reason I am wondering so much there
  • [05:48:08] <jkridner> I'd love to be wrong on this.
  • [05:48:22] <jkridner> I know some of the things are excessive due to covering other costs...
  • [05:48:45] <ds2> that puts the unlisted (last time I checked) module price at less then 650 and the module there is mostly functional
  • [05:48:46] <jkridner> but, if you can get the PCB shops to give you a sane quote for anything less than 1,000 boards, I'd be very excited.
  • [05:49:28] <ds2> with the blind vias, I'd have more luck convince fort knox to chase after me with gold bars ;)
  • [05:49:33] <jkridner> the Zoom SOM, I'd expect, runs at a higher volume.
  • [05:49:48] <jkridner> That is part of the SOM strategy advantage.
  • [05:50:15] <jkridner> if Mistral were to market the EVM processor board as a SOM and find some customers for it as that, I'd expect the price to go down.
  • [05:50:25] <ds2> I would really like to see a reasonable price version of just the CPU on a board to avoid having to redo the blind vias
  • [05:50:51] <ds2> ah, i think your last statement might explain it
  • [05:50:59] <jkridner> Don't like the Zoom SOM or Overo? not enough pinned out for you?
  • [05:51:23] <ds2> The Overo lacks composite out; the Zoom SOM is huge
  • [05:51:35] <jkridner> yeah, if that is the board you really want, find some customers for Mistral to get the volumes up.
  • [05:51:59] <ds2> seems a lot of people could benefit from a bare CPU board given the recent discussions
  • [05:52:58] <jkridner> well, this seems like a reasonable stopping point. I do agree with that.
  • [05:53:15] <jkridner> I will go spend some time away from the computer.
  • [05:53:22] * jkridner waves.
  • [05:53:28] <ds2> later
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  • [06:54:50] <primer_> Can you make two partitions on a SD in windows?
  • [06:55:18] <primer_> xp will not allow me to format nor fdisk
  • [06:56:06] <geckosenator> uh
  • [06:56:19] <geckosenator> I got my new keyboard i'm going to use wiht the beagle
  • [06:56:28] <geckosenator> it weighs 6 ounces
  • [06:56:52] <bkero> Mine weigh's 6 pounds :P
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  • [06:59:57] <zuh> tomba: I think kulve did kernel updates so that he mounted the boot partition of the SD and just scp:d the kernel there...
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  • [07:15:23] <primer_> anyone fdisk a SD card from windows?
  • [07:15:46] * bkero shudders at the thought
  • [07:16:08] <primer_> hah tell that to my computer hahaha
  • [07:18:42] <primer_> any sugested prefrence to which distro of linux I should download... just to fdisk a SD card ... hahaha
  • [07:21:57] <bkero> Any
  • [07:23:54] <primer_> that was the joke
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  • [07:35:16] <bkero> Apparently I'm a bad judge of joke
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  • [08:17:10] <Xenion> good morning folks :-)
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  • [08:24:27] <kulve> tomba: yeah, mount, scp, unmount, reset
  • [08:24:28] <bkero> Morn' :/
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  • [08:36:23] * koen does 'scp, sync, reset'
  • [08:36:52] <kulve> yeah, if you have some sort of automount there..
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  • [08:42:48] <tomba> kulve, yep but that's difficult to do if the kernel doesn't boot up =)
  • [08:43:51] <tomba> of course you could have two kernels there, one working, and one that you change... I guess that is good enough, thanks for the idea =)
  • [08:49:41] <kulve> yeah, I have there "uimage" and the u-ok, u-this, u-that, etc :)
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  • [08:52:14] <koen> I have a working/ subdir with files named '2.6.26', '2.6.27', etc
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  • [09:38:06] <dcordes> koen, others: hi
  • [09:38:26] <dcordes> koen I would like to update msm srcrevs and defconfigs.
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  • [09:49:00] <koen> dcordes: send a patch :)
  • [09:52:31] <no_mind> recommendation for a site to search for parts ?
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  • [09:54:08] <no_mind> i mean electronic componenets
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  • [09:57:07] <no_mind> looks like no hardware designer is online
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  • [10:10:48] <kblin> hi folks
  • [10:11:18] <kblin> I'm experiencing some problems with debian-armel running on my beagleboard and ipv6 networking
  • [10:11:53] <kblin> it seems like other boxes on the network are unable to find the beagle unless they were contacted by the beagle system first
  • [10:12:16] <kblin> so it looks like whatever ipv6 uses to replace arp isn't working
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  • [10:56:01] <likewise> gm
  • [10:56:20] <geckosenator> hi there
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  • [11:42:40] <koen> hey likewise
  • [11:42:54] <likewise> hey koen, all
  • [11:43:21] <koen> likewise: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20081205-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
  • [11:43:59] <likewise> koen: I'm still assembling all the weird cables for the beagle :-/
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  • [11:49:39] <Ikarus> "weird"
  • [11:49:46] <Ikarus> nothing weird about them tbh
  • [11:51:04] <keesj> esoteric perhaps
  • [11:51:20] <Ikarus> not even that
  • [11:51:38] <Ikarus> I mean the oddest thing you need is a generic TI JTAG -> ARM JTAG converter
  • [11:51:53] <keesj> usb-otg cables are unseen,
  • [11:52:02] <Ikarus> keesj: got 5 lying around
  • [11:52:21] <keesj> ti-jtag -> jtag is best done using the flyswatter adapter cable
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  • [11:52:36] <Ikarus> keesj: yup, but there are more companies selling them for peanuts
  • [11:52:49] <keesj> the serial adapter can not be found in regular shops
  • [11:53:02] <keesj> Ikarus: link?
  • [11:53:18] <Ikarus> keesj: not bookmarked
  • [11:53:29] <Ikarus> the tincantools one is the one I ordered
  • [11:53:41] <keesj> I would be interested in 20 pins to 14 pins TI and 14 pins arm to 20 pins
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  • [12:00:50] <koen> dcordes: the autobuilder is doing htckaiser now: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/koen/
  • [12:01:04] <koen> dcordes: so you should have some more packages in the feeds for armv6-novfp soon
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  • [12:08:44] <primer1> I'm try to make an SD partition
  • [12:08:57] <geckosenator> ...
  • [12:10:07] * koen wonders why people on fora tend go go in circles instead of just bleeping googling their question
  • [12:10:22] <magnet_> hello everyone.
  • [12:10:27] <primer1> i'm using when I try to fdisk /media/disk it says don't know how to handle files with mode 40700 You will not be able to write the partition table
  • [12:10:51] <primer1> using ubuntu
  • [12:10:53] <geckosenator> primer1: try the device
  • [12:10:57] <primer1> is it a fmask
  • [12:11:25] <primer1> already tryed /dev/sdb
  • [12:11:40] <magnet_> heh geckosenator how are you ?
  • [12:12:06] <primer1> was it the automatic mounting options?
  • [12:12:07] <koen> ldesnogu: ping
  • [12:12:09] <geckosenator> magnet_: not sure
  • [12:12:28] <magnet_> hehe, what's going on ?
  • [12:12:28] <geckosenator> primer1: umount it before running fdisk
  • [12:13:21] <primer1> geck: says unable to open
  • [12:13:30] <geckosenator> primer1: the device?
  • [12:13:54] <primer1> yeah
  • [12:14:36] <geckosenator> if you send me $20 i'll mail you a disk with the partitions already made
  • [12:14:54] <primer1> Unable to open /dev/sdb
  • [12:15:11] <primer1> Unable to open /media/disk
  • [12:15:22] <magnet_> Unable to open doc
  • [12:15:27] <magnet_> ops.
  • [12:15:32] <geckosenator> heh
  • [12:15:43] <magnet_> it was fitting too well :)
  • [12:16:17] <geckosenator> magnet_: I"m close to finishing a peak power tracker board
  • [12:16:27] <geckosenator> for solar power
  • [12:16:31] <geckosenator> or wind I suppose
  • [12:16:41] <magnet_> the name rocks, but I don't understand what is it.
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  • [12:16:49] <koen> geckosenator: for consumption or production?
  • [12:17:02] <geckosenator> koen: either way, it's reversable
  • [12:18:20] <magnet_> geckosenator: what do you use it for ?
  • [12:18:25] <geckosenator> it could act as a dc/dc converter too
  • [12:18:32] <geckosenator> magnet_: charging batteries from solar panels
  • [12:18:56] <geckosenator> that's the intended end result
  • [12:19:07] <geckosenator> in the meantime I'm using it for learning about this stuff
  • [12:19:14] <magnet_> I see.
  • [12:19:38] <geckosenator> found some mosfets with .002 ohm on resistance
  • [12:19:48] <geckosenator> and low gate charge too
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  • [12:22:05] <geckosenator> the package they are in might prove difficult to solder
  • [12:22:13] <magnet_> I'm reading a bit about those peak power trackers, what efficiency will you get with it ?
  • [12:22:17] <geckosenator> it's like qfn I think
  • [12:22:22] <geckosenator> magnet_: I will find out
  • [12:22:32] <geckosenator> heh
  • [12:22:42] <geckosenator> it also depends on a lot of factors
  • [12:22:53] <geckosenator> like, if the battery voltage is already at the peak power voltage
  • [12:23:15] <geckosenator> then it doesn't switch, it just goes through two mosfets and an inductor whihc is like 10 miliohms of resistance
  • [12:23:59] <geckosenator> it might go to that state if the voltage is close if it gets more power that way
  • [12:24:53] <geckosenator> otherwise I calculated something like 98% efficient but I doubt I will reach that
  • [12:25:11] <magnet_> oh, docs I was readings talk about 70% efficiency
  • [12:25:21] <geckosenator> well
  • [12:25:37] <geckosenator> that is pretty easy to achieve
  • [12:26:26] <geckosenator> I'm using much better parts than have existed in the past
  • [12:27:27] <geckosenator> anyway it's microprocessor controlled by an avr
  • [12:27:39] <geckosenator> and I have current and voltage readings on both sides
  • [12:28:11] <geckosenator> so I tend to vary the frequency and voltage to achieve the maximum current into the battery
  • [12:28:28] <geckosenator> and you can experiement with different inductors because it can calcualte efficiency
  • [12:28:42] <geckosenator> as well as not overcharge the battery
  • [12:29:26] <magnet_> remenber me, you don't use a pcb to control charge on the battery ?
  • [12:29:47] <geckosenator> ?
  • [12:30:01] <magnet_> something like that http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=44
  • [12:30:06] <geckosenator> I'm going to cut power going into the battery if the voltage exceeds too much
  • [12:30:51] <geckosenator> magnet_: problem is that interferes with power tracking
  • [12:31:30] <geckosenator> it also wastes power
  • [12:31:56] <geckosenator> I can count culombs this way
  • [12:32:08] <geckosenator> and autocalibrate and track the battery
  • [12:32:30] <geckosenator> I can calculate its capacity pretty easily, then using this knowledge accurately predict charge state
  • [12:33:22] <primer1> i figured it out
  • [12:33:31] <primer1> /dev/mmcblk0
  • [12:33:45] <magnet_> primer1: congratz.
  • [12:33:58] <magnet_> fdisk the hell out of it.
  • [12:34:12] <primer1> burning away
  • [12:34:30] <primer1> I bought 3 just incase HAH
  • [12:34:57] <geckosenator> i'm glad
  • [12:35:04] <magnet_> geckosenator: talking about battery charging and stuff. do you know how to have informations on battery state ?
  • [12:35:18] <magnet_> I mean like current charge, and max charge.
  • [12:35:19] <geckosenator> magnet_: I'm counting power going in and out
  • [12:35:31] <geckosenator> magnet_: so it's easy to know charge state
  • [12:35:46] <geckosenator> well, I don't know how eays
  • [12:35:52] <magnet_> that seems very simple.
  • [12:36:04] <geckosenator> well if you draw power faster the battery is less efficient
  • [12:36:08] <geckosenator> but if you take that into account
  • [12:36:18] <geckosenator> by crossreferencing with voltage
  • [12:37:06] <magnet_> how do you count power in/out ?
  • [12:37:15] <geckosenator> if you have just voltage you can get an estimate of battery state, but it's hard to tell if you are at 20% or 80%
  • [12:37:24] <primer1> for a 2 GB card is 240 cylinders about right :)
  • [12:37:25] <geckosenator> magnet_: integrate current over time
  • [12:44:51] <primer1> almost done my idea is an automatic penis pump ... we revolve g=girth around x and integrate multiple by 2 and then start pumping away.... jk
  • [12:45:35] <geckosenator> it could do that if you attached a pump instead of an inductor
  • [12:46:01] <magnet_> putting your penis in homebrew objects is not a good idea.
  • [12:46:11] <primer1> I think I'll pass on that debugging phase
  • [12:46:45] <geckosenator> someone has to do it
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  • [12:59:27] <primer1> y is the demo image 90 MB?
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  • [14:21:46] <garren> hi all
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  • [14:55:22] <sakoman_> koen: in an interesting reversal of the normal way of things, attempts to build nautilus on my 64 bit machine succeed and those on my 32 bit machine fail!
  • [14:55:41] <sakoman_> http://pastebin.ca/1277775
  • [14:58:09] <geckosenator> heh, you never know how it might break
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  • [15:02:59] <Crofton|work> linie 7 looks suspicious
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  • [15:15:12] <koen> sakoman_: heh
  • [15:16:18] <koen> sakoman_: I suspect it needs something like export HOST_LIBIDL_CONFIG = "${STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE}/libIDL-config-2"
  • [15:20:32] <koen> sakoman_: btw, there will be a bitbake 1.8.12 release that fixes the git fetching
  • [15:30:39] <jsync> hi all , is tiopenmax integrated in OE ? i didnt find it in OE git.
  • [15:32:06] <Crofton|work> jsync, I do not think so
  • [15:33:04] <Crofton|work> http://github.com/mrchapp/tiopenmax/tree/master ?
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  • [15:33:56] <koen> tiopenmax is useless anyway
  • [15:34:05] <koen> it depends on DSPbridge
  • [15:34:23] <koen> you want something that is based on dsplink/codec-engine
  • [15:34:44] <Crofton|work> koen is working for TI marketing :)
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  • [15:37:13] <jsync> ok.. what is the best way to use dsp through gstreamer ?
  • [15:37:33] <koen> by using the CE gstreamer plugins
  • [15:37:53] * koen should check whether the new release it out
  • [15:38:27] <jsync> i was following http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/gst-openmax
  • [15:40:50] <koen> jsync: http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php?title=GStreamer
  • [15:41:00] <jsync> i followed the README.txt in tiopenmax-0.3 but i found out that couple of files are missing
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  • [15:43:14] <jsync> koen: i had tried it for davinci. i never been able to play avi file on it.
  • [15:44:06] <geckosenator> even without the dsp?
  • [15:44:59] <jsync> i was able to run some decode application but never through gstreamer.
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  • [16:28:41] <prpplague> calculus: ping
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  • [17:06:23] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [17:06:35] <mru> morning jkridner
  • [17:06:44] <jkridner> the qemu-omap3 work looks really interesting to me.
  • [17:06:56] <jkridner> looks like he added NAND ECC support last night.
  • [17:07:05] <no_mind> does khasim ever comes to this channel ?
  • [17:07:15] <jkridner> no_mind: yes, on occasion.
  • [17:07:38] <jkridner> I saw dirk2 send u-boot patches to j24.
  • [17:07:45] <no_mind> hmm
  • [17:07:51] <jkridner> I'm not sure if my comments this morning were helpful or not.
  • [17:07:59] <no_mind> anyone able to get a touch screen work with beagle board ?
  • [17:08:32] <jkridner> my mksdimg.sh ends up creating boot.scr, not boot.script, because it mounts the image as msdos, not vfat.
  • [17:08:49] <jkridner> I think that is an error other people can make. just cleaner to have everything 8.3 imo.
  • [17:09:06] <mru> teach them a lesson imo ;-)
  • [17:09:12] <jkridner> no_mind: I've heard of people getting touch screens working.
  • [17:09:33] <jkridner> mru: the lesson that all this DOS legacy sucks?
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  • [17:09:43] <no_mind> heard ? I want to know which component they got to work
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  • [17:10:25] <jkridner> no_mind: keep asking, here and on the mailing list, because I'm sure it has been done.
  • [17:10:37] <no_mind> okies
  • [17:11:11] <mru> jkridner: yes, that lesson
  • [17:11:13] <jkridner> I've even heard that one of the companies making OMAP3 hardware has something that works with Beagle.
  • [17:11:31] <jkridner> know thy legacy!
  • [17:11:40] <mru> know it, and ignore it
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  • [17:22:45] <j24> dirk2: ping
  • [17:23:13] <j24> jkridner: ping
  • [17:23:20] <jkridner> hi j24
  • [17:23:22] <j24> jkridner: do you see dirk2?
  • [17:23:24] <j24> hu
  • [17:23:42] <jkridner> no, but I saw his e-mail this morning.
  • [17:23:49] <jkridner> how are the patches looking to you?
  • [17:24:08] <j24> I do not the order to appy
  • [17:24:12] <j24> apply
  • [17:24:32] <j24> :x
  • [17:25:03] <j24> I prefer patch series that patch
  • [17:25:13] <j24> it simplest to handle
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  • [17:29:18] <j24> jkridner: honestly I'll not apply the OMAP3: Convert register access to structure style,
  • [17:29:21] <j24> patch
  • [17:29:35] <jkridner> oh?
  • [17:30:09] <j24> you follow the Wolfgang ask but you remove all macro for asm access
  • [17:30:19] <j24> why?
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  • [17:31:38] <jkridner> ah. didn't know they were required for anything. seems like a maintenance burden to maintain an untested set of macros.
  • [17:33:44] <j24> ok
  • [17:33:59] <jkridner> btw, what is the best practice for pulling the patches out of the archives? it is very manual for me right now.
  • [17:34:13] <j24> ?
  • [17:34:34] <jkridner> the leading spaces are stripped out of the .html links and there are many HTML conversions.
  • [17:34:48] <jkridner> I use gmail and don't have an easy way to save on my build machine.
  • [17:34:50] <j24> use nntp
  • [17:35:20] * jkridner thinks back 15 years when he was using 'trn' on a daily basis.
  • [17:35:26] <j24> take a look on gmane
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  • [17:36:32] <jkridner> are there better text-based readers than trn now?
  • [17:36:33] <j24> the best will that dirk2 put his patch on git
  • [17:37:03] <j24> do not known sorry
  • [17:37:15] <jkridner> k. I'll check with sakoman. the patches might be on his git. I see that some of them are.
  • [17:37:40] <j24> nn
  • [17:38:18] <j24> jkridner: when you see dirk2 as him to send me patch series as thread and not patch alone
  • [17:38:28] <j24> he will save a lot of time
  • [17:39:01] <jkridner> are you saying he needs to send the whole series again, or just future series?
  • [17:40:43] <j24> later min
  • [17:41:03] <j24> lasttime I lose 4h to find the order to apply
  • [17:57:59] <j24> tjs by advance
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  • [18:15:37] <koen> Crofton: the 5th sentence on page 56 has a integral equation :(
  • [18:15:54] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [18:16:07] <Crofton|work> enter the latex form :)
  • [18:18:27] <koen> jkridner: I usually download the 'raw' link from marc.info to get at patches
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  • [18:20:01] <koen> jkridner: it seems you fixed beagle nntp as well :)
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  • [18:24:05] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [18:24:41] <koen> especially since the confused person is working for the OE consulting company recommended by CELF
  • [18:27:33] <Crofton|work> maybe he is having brain freeze
  • [18:28:35] <koen> he must have been eating ice cream for the past year :)
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  • [18:35:54] <dirk2> jkridner: ping
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  • [18:42:04] <dcordes> koen, yo
  • [18:42:17] <dcordes> koen, http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/diffs/git-diff_org.oe.dev_linux-msm7xxxx_120608.diff
  • [18:42:45] <jkridner> dirk2: pong
  • [18:44:17] <dirk2> jkridner: thanks for the link. If anybody would have give me the boot.script I would have done this before sending the patch
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  • [18:44:55] <jkridner> you mean the request for the name change?
  • [18:45:02] <jkridner> or the contents of boot.script itself?
  • [18:45:16] <dirk2> jkridner: Sorry, the request for the name change
  • [18:46:20] <jkridner> yeah, I'd only made the request to sakoman.
  • [18:46:27] <dirk2> jkridner: Sorry, I thought that it would help sakoman and you to have this in j24's git, so I just took sakoman's patches and sent them to the list.
  • [18:46:49] <jkridner> might be a silly request, but I know this is going to be pervasive and I'd like to simplify people's lives.
  • [18:47:06] <jkridner> oh, I certainly think it would help to have it in j24's tree.
  • [18:47:16] <jkridner> I hope my comments didn't discourage that.
  • [18:47:58] <dirk2> jkridner: No, the request itself is fine, it simply could have come some hours earlier or just send a patch later when it is in ;)
  • [18:48:47] <dirk2> jkridner: Seems that now I have to send a v2 with this change...
  • [18:48:49] <jkridner> yeah, a patch later might have been better. I just wanted to let it be known that others were looking at these patches.
  • [18:49:16] <jkridner> well, I think j24 wants a version with all the patches on one thread anyway. :(
  • [18:51:04] <dirk2> jkridner: yes, saw this in the logs. He is wrong with this because (a) if he wants some changes he should mention this at the mailing list and not in at IRC where some people might read or not and (b) I can't to patch series for patches that are developped independent from different developpers with weeks in between them
  • [18:51:33] <dirk2> s/to/do/
  • [18:52:48] <koen> dcordes: is g_ether used for nfsroot, or would it be better to make it modular as well as enabling the other usb gadgets?
  • [18:53:03] <dirk2> jkridner: it would be like e.g. Linus doesn't apply patches for several weeks and after some weeks he asks for "I now want one numbered threaded patch series of everything from the last weeks"
  • [18:54:25] <koen> dirk2: doesn't 'git pull --rebase ; git format patch origin' take care of numbering?
  • [18:54:27] <dcordes> koen, I don't know what people use it for. I do know usb ethernet works on both devices with that new srcrev and deconfig.
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  • [18:54:35] <jkridner> well, doesn't Linus usually (I don't know) just pull patches from git trees?
  • [18:54:53] <dcordes> koen, we have all the msm kernel monolithic for now
  • [18:55:04] <koen> you send a "pull my fin^H^H^H git" request to linus
  • [18:55:07] <dirk2> jkridner: wolfgang wants everything going through the mailing list
  • [18:55:11] <j24> dirk2: when you send the patch they were show as all yours
  • [18:55:12] <koen> dcordes: ok, makes sense
  • [18:55:17] <jkridner> koen: beagle nntp is working?!?
  • [18:55:32] <jkridner> koen: do I need to resubmit all of the archives, or is it a relatively complete set?
  • [18:55:32] <koen> dcordes: I'm used to people badgering me about different ethernet gadgets
  • [18:55:48] <dcordes> koen, I never use usbnet. it's a total mystery to me
  • [18:55:50] <koen> jkridner: your 3 emails showed up on gmane
  • [18:56:08] <dirk2> j24: Did you notice that there are OMAP3 patches not from me?
  • [18:56:29] <j24> dirk2: just one or two
  • [18:56:36] <koen> dcordes: I'll apply the patch as is, just making sure :)
  • [18:56:43] <j24> dirk2: nearly all is from you
  • [18:56:44] <dcordes> koen, it works ..
  • [18:57:12] <dirk2> j24: and?
  • [18:57:19] <j24> dirk2: maybe the best will be to put your patch on a git
  • [18:57:34] <koen> dcordes: I know it works, but I also know users can be annoying when demanding their favourite usb gadget :)
  • [18:57:34] <j24> dirk2: double with beagle community
  • [18:57:45] <dcordes> koen, I can prepare nice modular configs as soon as there is stable persitant storage for the devices
  • [18:57:51] <j24> dirk2: an then send the patch series (as thread) to the u-boot ML
  • [18:57:51] <dirk2> j24: double?
  • [18:58:08] <dirk2> j24: patch series: it doesn't work, read above
  • [18:58:09] <j24> dirk2: to avoid you to send patch twice
  • [18:58:49] <dcordes> koen, vogue sd is the only one that works perfectly. kaiser/polaris sd is so-so with hangs, diamond/raphael doesn't work at all
  • [18:58:53] <j24> dirk2: a patch series is not necessatly patch from only 1 people
  • [18:59:35] <j24> dirk2: I'll try to handle your patch and hope it will not take again 4 hours to deal with
  • [18:59:48] <jkridner> koen: what is the address. http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.general seems to only go to August.
  • [19:00:12] <dirk2> j24: it doesn't work, read above: You can wait x weeks with applying patches while e.g. one patch was sent per one week and then after x weeks asking for a series
  • [19:00:43] <j24> dirk2: so put them on a git
  • [19:00:51] <j24> dirk2: where I can simply pull it
  • [19:01:10] <dirk2> j24: can't put them in git: Ask Wolfgang, everything has to go through mailing list
  • [19:01:51] <dirk2> j24: I don't have a git and it has to be possible to work with u-boot community through mailing list as wanted by Wolfgang
  • [19:02:09] <j24> you can put on a git and send them to the ML
  • [19:02:44] <j24> dirk2: I do it everyday as all maintainer
  • [19:03:00] <dirk2> j24: I'm no maintainer
  • [19:03:01] <j24> dirk2: we put patch in testing branch or other
  • [19:03:08] <j24> dirk2: and send to the ML too
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  • [19:03:33] <dirk2> j24: Please learn to work with users sending patches through mailing list
  • [19:04:01] <koen> jkridner: it showed up in my nntp gmane beagle feed
  • [19:04:35] <jkridner> is the feed gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.general?
  • [19:04:40] <j24> dirk2: I do it everyday and I send very big patch series
  • [19:05:10] <dirk2> j24: take 4h: This is your fault cause (a) you could have asked for the order (b) the first idea would be to take the patches in the order they are sent (c) at recent patches I gave you the order
  • [19:05:29] <dirk2> j24: fine, if you do it everyday, it shouldn't be a problem for you
  • [19:06:03] <koen> jkridner: that's the one
  • [19:06:20] <dirk2> j24: To stop here, can you agree on following proposal:
  • [19:06:26] <jkridner> koen: odd. the http view doesn't seem to work.
  • [19:06:35] <koen> jkridner: http usually lags a bit
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  • [19:07:18] <dirk2> j24: you apply the 6 pending patches in the order they are sent (== order I gave in last patch) and ...
  • [19:08:12] <dirk2> j24: ... I will send smaller (!) add on patches against the then up to date git to fix (a) boot.scr (b) mmc return coding style issue.
  • [19:09:10] <j24> dirk2: please prepare a pull request
  • [19:09:22] <dirk2> j24: git?
  • [19:09:25] <j24> yes
  • [19:10:04] <dirk2> j24: I can't as I don't have git. It should take you <10min to save the 6 files and apply them??
  • [19:10:43] <j24> I do not remeber which one you talk about
  • [19:10:44] <dirk2> j24: sorry, "don't have git" == "I don't have a public git repository you can pull from"
  • [19:11:10] <j24> I've 4 patch in my queued
  • [19:11:16] <j24> not 6
  • [19:11:46] <dirk2> j24: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2008-December/044293.html
  • [19:12:06] <j24> if you send a patch as thread they will regroup and easy to track
  • [19:12:42] <j24> OMAP3: Check for MMC card
  • [19:12:49] <j24> OMAP3: Convert register
  • [19:12:51] <dirk2> j24: I can't then as series/thread, read above.
  • [19:13:09] <dirk2> s/then/send/
  • [19:13:10] <j24> Pandora are NACK
  • [19:13:28] <j24> I've to send the update request but they are not ready
  • [19:13:44] <dirk2> j24: no they are not NACK, or did I miss a NACK mail at mailing list
  • [19:14:42] <dirk2> j24: You don't have to send anything for OMAP3 branch
  • [19:15:21] <koen> so every patch has go throught the ml according to wolfgang, but 'ml' actually means git for 'arm' and sometimes 'irc'
  • [19:16:18] <j24> dirk2: I'm ok this fix the current board
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  • [19:16:36] <dirk2> j24: ?
  • [19:16:37] <j24> but the new board *must* be clean to be added
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  • [19:17:31] <dirk2> j24: it *is* clean as far as I can tell. And if not, we have the OMAP3 branch to clean up further as already done with the other boards and as proposed above for the boot.scr and mmc return
  • [19:18:40] <dirk2> j24: Can you send me a link with a mail older than 1hour listing your NACK and/or review comments for Pandora U-Boot patch?
  • [19:18:53] <j24> dirk2: no they are not clean, they are as clean as the current board
  • [19:19:11] <j24> dirk2: do not give you more work
  • [19:19:20] <dirk2> j24: So apply them, and we will clean them up with all other words
  • [19:19:21] <j24> dirk2: by fixing new board
  • [19:19:47] <dirk2> j24: Can you send me a link with a mail older than 1hour ...
  • [19:20:09] <j24> dirk2: no I'll not apply them until they will be clean
  • [19:20:28] <j24> dirk2: the omap3 branch is for clean the first patch you send
  • [19:20:40] <j24> dirk2: and new board or code must be clean to be added
  • [19:20:51] <dirk2> j24: No.
  • [19:21:15] <j24> dirk2: no what?
  • [19:21:39] <dirk2> j24: no == "and new board or code must be clean to be added"
  • [19:22:57] <dirk2> j24: Can you send me a link with a mail older than 1hour ... If not, no NACK exist and no review comments exist
  • [19:24:52] <dirk2> j24: If you don't want to apply further patches to OMAP3 branch (applying the 7 pending patches will take you < 10min) then should we stop the OMAP3 branch?
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  • [19:27:20] <dirk2> jkridner: We should ask sakoman to apply the pending patches, then we can fix the mmc return and the boot.scr there.
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  • [19:35:49] <Crofton|work> koen, can you explain the pictures of wool?
  • [19:36:10] <koen> I can try
  • [19:39:50] <koen> Crofton|work: it's to track your inventory on https://www.ravelry.com/
  • [19:39:52] <j24> dirk2: IIRC I tell you I'll deal with OMAP3 this WE and I do it
  • [19:40:07] <koen> Crofton|work: ravelry integrates with flickr for that
  • [19:40:17] <koen> Crofton|work: web 2.0 knitting and all
  • [19:40:24] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [19:40:50] <dirk2> j24: Yes. And?
  • [19:41:01] <Crofton|work> I don't think this web thing will catch on
  • [19:41:51] <j24> dirk2: and after I read all the OMPA3 patch you announce : "then should we stop the OMAP3 branch?"
  • [19:43:23] <dirk2> j24: I just *asked* because of your "new ... code must be clean to be added"
  • [19:43:59] <dirk2> j24: as it was my understanding we created OMAP3 branch for cleaning up OMAP3 code
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  • [19:45:55] <j24> dirk2: yes cleanup the current code
  • [19:46:05] <dirk2> j24: but if you (a) recject adding code to OMAP3 branch that needs further clean up and (b) give us clean up hints only after weeks while we already thought everything is clean it doesn't makes a lot of sense, no?
  • [19:46:07] <j24> dirk2: not add code that need cleanup
  • [19:47:09] <koen> where "doesn't makes a lot of sense" read "shockingly inefficient"
  • [19:47:40] <dirk2> j24: have a look to struct conversion patch which includes pandora changes, too: It's easier to do all clean up for all existing boards instead doing beagle, evm and overo against u-boot-arm/omap3 git and pandora out of git
  • [19:48:22] <dirk2> j24: Have a look to the config files style changes you sent some minutes ago (!): It wil be easier to fix this in all 4 config files as only in one
  • [19:49:09] <j24> dirk2: we will continue this later I've to move to the restaurant
  • [19:49:11] <j24> sorry
  • [19:49:48] <dirk2> j24: apply the patches in the order I proposed and we will save a lot of work being able to send smaller clean up patches.
  • [19:50:00] <dirk2> j24: have a nice evening at restaurant!
  • [19:50:17] <dirk2> j24: bbl
  • [19:50:53] <sakoman> dirk2: ouch! just returned home
  • [19:51:02] <sakoman> painful discussion
  • [19:51:19] <sakoman> What patches do you want me to apply?
  • [19:51:41] <jkridner> I've read to here, but must take a cat to the vet.
  • [19:51:42] <dirk2> sakoman: Have a look to the list at http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2008-December/044293.html
  • [19:51:46] <sakoman> j24 could pull from my git if he finds it acceptable
  • [19:52:34] <dirk2> sakoman: The december one plus the one I linked to above should be your mmc and script changes.
  • [19:53:00] <sakoman> dirk2: so that patch plus the 6 patches you refer too in the email?
  • [19:53:43] <dirk2> sakoman: The 5 November links in above linked mail.
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  • [19:54:14] <sakoman> and they should be applied against the current top of u-boot-arm, omap3 branch?
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  • [19:54:32] <dirk2> sakoman: Yes, in that order I gave
  • [19:54:55] <sakoman> do you happen to have a tarball of them?
  • [19:55:12] <dirk2> sakoman: I can do it tomorrow for you
  • [19:55:38] <sakoman> no problem I can cut/paste from the list emails, just takes longer
  • [19:55:47] <sakoman> I'll do it this evening
  • [19:56:03] <sakoman> I'll create an omap3-dirk2 branch ;-)
  • [19:56:19] <dirk2> sakoman: better omap3-j24 ?
  • [19:56:26] <sakoman> OK!
  • [19:56:42] <dirk2> and send j24 the time you need for this ;)
  • [19:58:51] <dirk2> sakoman: in your mmc patch: People want a return 1; at a single line instead of else return 1
  • [19:59:25] <sakoman> OK
  • [19:59:28] <calculus> prpplague: pong
  • [19:59:45] <dirk2> sakoman: in the boot script patch, jkridner likes boot.scr as file name instead of boot.script
  • [20:00:05] <sakoman> OK
  • [20:00:49] <prpplague> calculus: hey were you one of the guys asking about the expansion board?
  • [20:01:04] <dirk2> sakoman: and in http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2008-December/044293.html I added omap3_pandora.h (pandora is two of the november patches)
  • [20:01:06] <calculus> yep
  • [20:01:28] <sakoman> dirk2: I'll take care of this later this evening. it's a beautiful sunny day, so I'm going to go outside for a while :-)
  • [20:02:13] <dirk2> sakoman: If you like, you don't have to do it your own, I can send you the stuff tomorrow to save your time
  • [20:02:41] * Crofton|work notes there is light snow here .....
  • [20:02:56] <dirk2> sakoman: but then you have to send a sunny day to europe :)
  • [20:03:35] <sakoman> dirk2: since you are more familiar with the changes requested to the posted patches that might be a good idea :-)
  • [20:04:11] <sakoman> Crofton|work: clear blue skies and 70F here
  • [20:04:35] <sakoman> we are having a very unusual December
  • [20:04:41] <dirk2> sakoman: k. wait for my patch and enjoy the sunny day. You like a tar ball with patch files?
  • [20:05:11] <sakoman> dirk2: that would be ideal. I'll take the ordering from the list email
  • [20:05:57] <dirk2> sakoman: k. will pull your branch tomorrow and send you a tar ball.
  • [20:07:02] <dirk2> have to leave now, too. bbl
  • [20:07:16] <sakoman> dirk2: you can base them off current u-boot-arm/omap3 if you like
  • [20:07:21] <calculus> prpplague: yep, I am one of those interested
  • [20:08:00] <sakoman> dirk2: that would make it easier for j24
  • [20:09:01] <dirk2> sakoman: u-boot-arm/omap3 doesn't have the mmc & script change
  • [20:09:32] <sakoman> but we have your patches for those
  • [20:09:41] <dirk2> sakoman: ah, understood, you will create a clean clone of u-boot-arm/omap3 and apply the patches i send. k.
  • [20:10:01] <sakoman> dirk2: yes! you got it
  • [20:10:51] <dirk2> sakoman: :) don't forget your sunny day ;) I have to really leave now...
  • [20:11:00] <sakoman> me too!
  • [20:11:04] <sakoman> later :-)
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  • [20:28:53] <calculus> calculus: I was mainly interested in the board for ethernet and a clock... I haven't considered the possibilities of the the second uart
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