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  • [01:32:11] <JerryLi> how can i get 2d/3d acceleration?
  • [01:32:46] <mru> wait for drivers
  • [01:33:24] <mru> better, collect enough money to buy Imagination tech and release the driver source ;-)
  • [01:34:13] <JerryLi> ;-)
  • [01:34:54] <mru> here's a dollar to get you started: $
  • [01:35:24] <JerryLi> The board is not competive without acceleration support
  • [01:35:33] <mru> depends on what you want to do
  • [01:35:53] <mru> it can do quite a lot without the graphics accelerator
  • [01:36:17] <JerryLi> game? better than psp
  • [01:36:52] <mru> games are not the only thing it could be used for
  • [01:37:15] <JerryLi> mp4 player?
  • [01:37:43] <mru> it's got more than enough horsepower for a portable media player
  • [01:37:56] <JerryLi> there are a lot cheaper ones on the market
  • [01:38:15] <mru> then make a better one
  • [01:38:29] <JerryLi> they look good
  • [01:38:39] <mru> examples?
  • [01:39:01] <JerryLi> ok, let me do a search
  • [01:39:32] <JerryLi> ok, ipod touch
  • [01:39:53] <JerryLi> this is expensive, i can find <$100
  • [01:39:56] <mru> the omap3 processor is more powerful
  • [01:40:34] <mru> the ipod has some very specialised hardware decoder circuitry and a rather low-spec ARM cpu
  • [01:41:07] <mru> and of course the beagle doesn't have those accelerometers that are all the rage nowadays
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  • [01:41:19] <mru> could be easily fitted of course
  • [01:43:59] <JerryLi> how to release the power of omap3?
  • [01:44:05] <geckosenator> ?
  • [01:44:26] <geckosenator> mru: if I put accels on my beagle it's going to be via usb
  • [01:45:12] <mru> I sure something could be attached with i2c
  • [01:48:29] <JerryLi> ??????ManMan A5(4GB)
  • [01:48:49] <JerryLi> <$100
  • [02:02:24] <mru> that also seems to be fairly low-spec
  • [02:02:32] <mru> I can't find any information on the chip
  • [02:02:57] <mru> some kind of ARM/DSP thing
  • [02:03:31] <mru> and omap3 is the most powerful such chip
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  • [02:04:49] <JerryLi> i accept that
  • [02:05:21] <geckosenator> me too
  • [02:06:12] <JerryLi> so i figured out that we have to make some kill apps with omap3 other than media player
  • [02:08:44] <geckosenator> like what?
  • [02:08:49] <geckosenator> they might already be made
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  • [02:14:33] <JerryLi> handheld game console seems a niche market. only 2 big players there
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  • [05:04:33] <ianhan> anyone know if rev c will still include lcd/lvds signals?
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  • [06:39:23] <geckosenator> I got some lcd modules today
  • [06:39:40] <geckosenator> 4.3" and 7" ones, both use the same 40 pin zif connector
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  • [06:44:18] <ianhan> I think it's so corny that they did dvi/svideo
  • [06:44:28] <ianhan> that's not an embedded hackable board, that's a tv device
  • [06:49:03] <geckosenator> well
  • [06:49:07] <geckosenator> I'm hacking it anyway
  • [06:49:16] <geckosenator> ianhan: revC is going to have parallel
  • [06:49:27] <geckosenator> ianhan: and I"m making dvi->parallel in the meantime
  • [07:16:53] <ianhan> parallel but not lvds?
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  • [07:32:14] <geckosenator> yes
  • [07:32:18] <geckosenator> I had plans for lvds too
  • [07:32:27] <geckosenator> but I scrapped them, do you need lvds?
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  • [07:52:00] <koen> heh
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  • [07:52:16] <koen> a "microsoft certified software specialist" asks how to apply patches
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  • [08:12:27] * zuh glances at the "Microsoft Certified Partner" banner hanging at the office wall
  • [08:12:34] <zuh> "on"
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  • [08:22:45] <ds2> certainly, Certifiable!
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  • [08:30:16] <tlf1138> Is anybody interested in helping me with some robotics stuff?
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  • [08:32:17] <khasim> Beagle and Pico Projection: http://picasaweb.google.com/viralsachde/FOSSInRandom#
  • [08:34:32] <keesj> khasim: cool
  • [08:47:41] <ianhan> eh I guess I'll just fab my own omap board
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  • [08:50:56] <primer_> whats the difference between angstrom vs unbuntu?
  • [08:51:37] <koen> speed and size
  • [08:51:42] <koen> angstrom is smaller and faster
  • [08:52:24] <primer_> really... everything else is the same?
  • [08:52:56] <khasim> ARM claims canonical will add 1000s of application on ARM
  • [08:53:05] * khasim wondering what 1000 apps would be
  • [08:53:37] <koen> khasim: that's the usual propaganda :)
  • [08:53:55] <khasim> :)
  • [08:54:21] <koen> khasim: they would like you to believe noone used linux on arm before ubuntu made their arm port available
  • [08:55:23] <khasim> I felt stickers were the main difference.. all lap tops had ubuntu stickers
  • [08:55:28] <khasim> :)
  • [08:55:41] <khasim> I am planning to make few stickers for Angstrom
  • [08:55:54] <RogerMonk> koen - maybe you could use your new OE logo!
  • [08:56:20] <khasim> Where can I get good resolution logo for Angstrom
  • [08:56:48] <koen> khasim: there's an svg in the OE tree on contrib/angstrom
  • [08:57:34] <koen> khasim: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=contrib/angstrom;h=27715b551412d7cde13244de629a8be3d9b423d6;hb=HEAD
  • [08:59:48] <khasim> koen: thanks, will get them printed. I wish I had them before FOSS.in
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  • [09:08:57] <khasim> koen: Do you have any latest images apart from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/47
  • [09:09:55] <khasim> I mean the rootfs 20-Sep-2008 17:20 87M
  • [09:10:08] <primer_> any one use opencv on the beagleboard?
  • [09:11:14] <koen> khasim: check http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/untested/ from time to time
  • [09:11:24] <koen> primer_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3039017696
  • [09:12:03] <primer_> wow
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  • [09:13:40] <primer_> koen - what does "The performance is a bit dissapointing, but that can be fixed " mean or is there a reference to it?
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  • [09:17:29] <koen> primer_: it needed 5 seconds to run on that image
  • [09:17:42] <koen> primer_: but ~90% of that time was spent in the classifier
  • [09:18:13] <koen> primer_: to trimming down the haardata xml would make it faster
  • [09:19:31] <DJWillis> koen: if it comes down to stickers maybe we should put 'Angstrom based' stickers on the Beagle and Pandora ;-).
  • [09:20:03] <RogerMonk|linux> koen... anything u r aware of that might have broken davinci build? http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2337857.txt
  • [09:21:38] <koen> RogerMonk|linux: that's a problem with the fortran build, but the upstream patch to fix that is already in OE
  • [09:23:26] <RogerMonk|linux> ok, I'll re-base - hope it won't require major rebuild :) - why would this only affect davinci? beagle and evm seem ok?
  • [09:23:41] <RogerMonk|linux> (thanks btw)
  • [09:25:04] <koen> RogerMonk|linux: it should affect all, but for some reason it doesn't
  • [09:25:41] <RogerMonk|linux> magic
  • [09:26:12] <koen> it's a bug in gcc that's covered by a patch
  • [09:26:27] <koen> host system bitwidth is leaking into the cross system
  • [09:27:13] <koen> I had to change the if >=64 bits to >=65 to make it work for 64 bit system
  • [09:28:54] <koen> RogerMonk|linux: in other news, there are now locked down recipes to build linux-omap 2.6.26 and linux-omap 2.6.27 in OE
  • [09:29:34] <RogerMonk> koen - great!
  • [09:29:56] <koen> RogerMonk|linux: the 2.6.26 one works with dsplink and CE, the 2.6.27 one works best with xf86-video-omapfb
  • [09:30:20] <RogerMonk> ok, and what does console-image use right now?
  • [09:31:20] <koen> beagleboard uses 2.6.26 as default for all images
  • [09:31:29] <koen> evm uses 2.6.28rc6 as default for all images
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  • [09:35:54] <and-ri> ok, i try to use Audio on beagleboard. i have the kernel 2.6.28 rcv6. what i need now is to know if i have to install the ALSA driver in the kernel or in the FS or where else , to use ALSA with SDL?
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  • [09:46:02] <koen> RogerMonk: could you update the git tree? I think I sufficiently band-aided gcc-cross now
  • [09:55:28] <RogerMonk|linux> yep, will do. rebasing, cleaning gcc-cross and rebuilding didn't fix it for me, so I'll update again now.
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  • [10:00:43] <RogerMonk|linux> argh koen - can you give me the recipe for appropriately cleaning the right buts now?
  • [10:02:24] <koen> RogerMonk|linux: if you did 'git pull' it shouldn't need cleaning
  • [10:02:48] <RogerMonk|linux> yep, I did git pull and now fails on gcc-cross-intermediate - see my tinderbox
  • [10:04:29] <koen> MACHINE=neuros-osd2 bitbake -c clean gcc-cross gcc-cross-intermediate gcc-cross-initial
  • [10:05:00] <koen> or MACHINE=davinci-dvevm bitbake -c clean gcc-cross gcc-cross-intermediate gcc-cross-initial
  • [10:07:54] <RogerMonk|linux> yep, that's what I'm doing
  • [10:08:05] <RogerMonk|linux> (but you said it shouldn't need cleaning :))
  • [10:09:12] <koen> right :)
  • [10:09:28] <koen> but you get failures in do_unpack, which is really strange
  • [10:09:37] <RogerMonk|linux> same problem after cleaning.
  • [10:10:10] <koen> could you pastebin the error you get?
  • [10:14:57] <RogerMonk|linux> it was failing on creating the softlink to md5 in sources/GPL, since it already existed - can clean be changed to remove these files too?
  • [10:21:03] <koen> hmmm
  • [10:21:15] <koen> it's using ln -sf, so relinking shouldn't fail
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  • [11:09:35] <RogerMonk|linux> koen... continuing building now after manually deleting the link
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  • [11:22:42] <supo> anyone had similar problems with beagle and webcam? http://pastebin.com/m89250d5
  • [11:23:55] <supo> i've tried with different kernels and the problem stays pretty much the same
  • [11:30:45] <koen> supo: your best bet would be to mail linux-omap ml and linux-usb ml and hope that Ajay Gupta and Felipe Balbi have a patch
  • [11:31:21] <supo> ah, i'll see if i can find those lists
  • [11:31:49] <koen> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-usb-devel is here
  • [11:32:18] <supo> thanks
  • [11:33:13] <koen> ehm
  • [11:33:16] <koen> that's the wrong url
  • [11:33:37] <supo> :P
  • [11:34:01] <koen> http://www.linux-usb.org/mailing.html
  • [11:34:03] <koen> there we go
  • [11:34:17] <RogerMonk> supo - what's the exact model of the camera?
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  • [11:34:44] <RogerMonk> any more than 'logitech quickcam fusion'
  • [11:35:00] <koen> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-usb
  • [11:35:53] <supo> RogerMonk: P/N: 861304-0000 PID: LN63384 that's all I know
  • [11:36:06] <supo> Koen: thanks
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  • [11:58:58] <magnet_> hello world.
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  • [11:59:18] <magnet_> heh geckosenator you're around ?
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  • [11:59:29] <magnet_> I just received stuff for my battery !
  • [11:59:42] <magnet_> the dc-dc convertor just rock.
  • [12:04:37] <ShadowJK> What dc-dc convertor are you using?
  • [12:04:57] <magnet_> http://www.dimensionengineering.com/DE-SWADJ.htm
  • [12:04:59] <magnet_> this one.
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  • [12:14:32] <ShadowJK> ah :)
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  • [12:36:56] <jkridner> good morning all
  • [12:37:04] <RogerMonk> morning
  • [12:37:24] <jkridner> hi RogerMonk. Haven't run into you in a while.
  • [12:37:38] <RogerMonk> yeah - different timezones hey!
  • [12:37:43] <RogerMonk> all ok?
  • [12:38:11] <jkridner> nothing too wrong
  • [12:38:15] <RogerMonk> gr8
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  • [14:05:50] <robclark> koen: fwiw, I think I got gcc-3.4.6 building on macosx (and supporting frameworks), but run into problems building qemu.. and then I found this: http://trac.kju-app.org/browser/trunk/qemu/patches (patches for both building on darwin and building with gcc4)
  • [14:11:55] <koen> robclark: you shouldn't need qemu
  • [14:12:02] <and-ri> i try to compile ALSA driver..but during compilation he didn't find a file /mach/memory.h in the kernel...what can i do?
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  • [14:13:11] <robclark> yeah, I know... and in fact, I already have it installed separately (if I did need it).. I was just trying to build things using as close to the same procedure as what you'd use to build everything under linux
  • [14:13:41] <koen> robclark: what's I've been trying to say it that even under linux you shouldn't need qemu
  • [14:13:53] <koen> robclark: armv7a has binary locales disabled
  • [14:13:59] <koen> robclark: at least, angstrom has them disabled
  • [14:15:05] <robclark> well.. I was trying to 'bitbake poky-image-sato' as per the poky quick-start guide... and that wants to build qemu..
  • [14:15:22] <robclark> I guess an easier path might be to just figure out how to bypass the qemu part..
  • [14:15:49] <robclark> (but the good news is that at least I've figured out a bit about how bitbake applies patches and builds)
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  • [14:21:49] <koen> robclark: are you using OE or poky?
  • [14:22:28] <koen> robclark: I strongly discourage using poky on a darwin host
  • [14:23:22] <koen> your qemu problem being one of the reasons
  • [14:23:32] <robclark> at this point, still using poky.. apparently I don't like making life easy for myself ;-)
  • [14:23:46] <robclark> but I was assuming once I get past qemu, the rest should be easy
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  • [14:41:33] <koen> florian: could you give apache2 a kick on ltg?
  • [14:42:05] <florian> koen: sure
  • [14:43:01] <florian> koen: done
  • [14:47:43] <koen> florian: thanks
  • [14:48:01] <florian> koen: yw
  • [14:51:44] <koen> florian: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2bfd3b83b7155b71d85ceb6832b41df9.png
  • [14:51:51] <koen> florian: opkg + gnome-packagekit
  • [14:52:27] <florian> koen: that's cool!
  • [14:53:32] <florian> koen: I guess that might be better than any app using libipkg or does it use it too?
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  • [14:56:24] <koen> florian: I think the backend uses libopkg, but the worst memory leaks have been plugged
  • [14:57:00] <florian> koen: hmm... the worst cpu leaks too? ;)
  • [14:57:30] <koen> I'm running it on a cortex-a8, which seems to be fast enough :)
  • [14:57:37] <florian> heh
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  • [15:00:17] <Crofton|work> koen, did you see the kernel recipe diff for linux-omap I posted last night?
  • [15:00:25] <Crofton|work> this is working for me atm
  • [15:00:31] <Crofton|work> well audio works :)
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  • [15:02:50] <koen> Crofton|work: I saw it, but I couldn't find out why you made that change :)
  • [15:03:19] <Crofton|work> well, it crashes on boot with the DSS patches in ...
  • [15:03:30] <koen> Crofton|work: I added recipes for 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 to OE
  • [15:04:02] <Crofton|work> to linux_2.6.27?
  • [15:04:58] <koen> no
  • [15:05:09] <koen> linux-omap_2.6.26.bb + linux-omap_2.6.27.bb
  • [15:05:30] <Crofton|work> very recently ....
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  • [15:11:58] <koen> Crofton|work: I wouldn't call 6 hours ago 'very recently' :)
  • [15:13:43] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [15:13:55] <Crofton|work> the machine I checked on wasn't updated recently ...
  • [15:14:21] <Crofton|work> how do I persaude the beagle machine file to use say 2.7 over the git recipe ...
  • [15:14:36] <Crofton|work> should I def-pref the git recipe?
  • [15:15:12] <koen> yeah, or do PREFFERED_VERSION_linux-omap = "2.6.27"
  • [15:15:26] <koen> (and change beagleboard.conf to use linux-omap instead of linux-omap2
  • [15:17:31] <Crofton|work> right
  • [15:17:50] <Crofton|work> let me see if 27 boots and does sound ...
  • [15:18:32] <Crofton|work> I'll still need to fiddle with git, but having a more stable kernel would be good for the masses ....
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  • [15:19:15] <Crofton|work> I have a feeling I'll need to try the PM patches ....
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  • [15:20:16] <koen> Crofton|work: by default beagle builds 2.6.26
  • [15:20:25] <koen> Crofton|work: that's stable and supports dsplink :)
  • [15:21:04] <Crofton|work> does sound come out?
  • [15:21:54] <koen> yes
  • [15:22:35] <Crofton|work> ok, let me double check ,,,,,
  • [15:22:40] * koen is confused
  • [15:23:00] <koen> someone found the symposium link helpfull as answer to a patch question?
  • [15:23:03] <Crofton|work> this is the linux-omap2 recipe you are talking about?
  • [15:23:37] <Crofton|work> best to skip over those emails :)
  • [15:23:47] <koen> linux-omap_2.6.26.bb and linux-omap2_git.bb both build the same kernel
  • [15:23:59] <Crofton|work> ok
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  • [16:12:39] <phobbes> I'm getting a kernel panic similar to the second entry in http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=25 when I try to run "aplay" or other applications that use alsa. I've been using an openembedded image recipe based off of "base-image" with just some extra packages installed. it's using kernel version 2.6.26-omap1. It seems like some people are getting sound just fine, so I don't know what the problem is.
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  • [16:14:26] <phobbes> I tried adding "PREFEFERRED_VERSION_linux-omap = "2.6.27" and re-running bitbake, but it didn't seem to build a new kernel version, it just re-ran the rootfs tasks for the image recipe
  • [16:14:35] <phobbes> (I added it to local.conf)
  • [16:30:54] <phobbes> oh, whoops. looks like there's been some kernel magic that's happened since I last "git pulled", and I forgot to change the kernel to linux-omap in beagleboard.conf
  • [16:43:17] <Crofton|work> ok, the default kernel for Angstrom plays sound :)
  • [16:45:41] <phobbes> Crofton|work: which kernel is that?
  • [16:49:02] <Crofton|work> Linux beagleboard 2.6.26-omap1 #1 Tue Dec 2 10:52:20 EST 2008 armv7l unknown
  • [16:50:22] <koen> make sure you have a uboot with the l1neon fix
  • [16:50:48] <koen> e.g. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/u-boot.bin
  • [16:50:49] <Crofton|work> where is that?
  • [16:51:01] <koen> (that gets updated every now and then)
  • [16:51:09] <Crofton|work> is that the 600Mhz one also?
  • [16:51:35] <koen> yes
  • [16:54:54] <phobbes> in packages/linux of my oe I don't see a linux-omap1_2.6.26, but I do have linux-omap_2.6.26, but git-pull says I'm up to date
  • [16:55:17] <phobbes> (I've also got linux-omap_2.6.27)
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  • [17:05:44] <Crofton|work> phobbes, linux-omap_2.6.26 should be the same as the one I am using
  • [17:10:12] <phobbes> Crofton|work: OK, thanks. The default beagleboard machine configuration points to linux-omap1 though, so will oe build the older version unless you modify beagleboard.conf? (newest version of linux-omap1 is 2.6.25)
  • [17:10:43] <phobbes> (I'm still de-fuzzying my brain on how exactly the OE build process works)
  • [17:11:12] <Crofton|work> um
  • [17:11:20] <Crofton|work> it should ponit to linux-omap2
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  • [17:20:33] <phobbes1> Crofton|work: hmm, you're absolutely right. I think I must have changed it manually sometime.
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  • [17:53:23] <phobbes1> koen: in your directions for flashing u-boot to NAND, you say to erase and write 160000 bytes, but when I read u-boot.bin into memory, it says "161780 bytes read" I should be safe in erasing and writing 17000 bytes, right? (I'm using a u-boot compiled myself from OE, so maybe it's slightly larger than the one you're distributing?)
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  • [17:56:49] <denix> koen: ping
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  • [18:29:57] <koen> denix: pong
  • [18:31:22] <koen> phobbes1: right, I guess uboot got a bit fatter
  • [18:31:31] <koen> phobbes1: I copied the instructions from sakoman :)
  • [18:33:53] <sakoman> koen: those are ancient instructions, I use mtdtools now for writing everything except x-load
  • [18:34:36] <koen> yeah, I tend to do that as well
  • [18:35:01] <phobbes1> koen: thanks for the tip about updating u-boot. that's what was causing my kernel panics using ALSA it looks like.
  • [18:35:04] <sakoman> it might be possible to use the ${filesize} variable with u-boot, then you wouldn't have to concern yourself with the actual size
  • [18:35:23] <koen> right
  • [18:35:41] <koen> provided your uboot is new enought to know about ${filesize}
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  • [18:35:48] <koen> iirc 1.1.4 doesn't know about it
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  • [18:36:23] <koen> phobbes1: it's a bug in the cortexa8 that needs to get worked around in u-boot
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  • [18:36:38] <koen> phobbes1: things crash if you used the neon unit in the 'wrong' way
  • [18:37:04] <koen> or rather 'use the neon unit'
  • [18:37:33] <koen> hats off to mru for finding it and patching uboot
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  • [18:39:48] <mru> our friends at ARM did the hard work
  • [18:40:23] <mru> I find the idea of running ffmpeg with BBB on a 600 kHz simulator oddly amusing...
  • [18:41:22] <vlad_> 600khz simulator?
  • [18:42:29] <mru> some monster machine simulating the chip at a very low level
  • [18:42:44] <mru> size of a small car or something
  • [18:44:01] <ldesnogu_> this is called an emulator, and it's not that big, though not small :)
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  • [18:46:01] <Crofton|work> today's German lesson is amusing :)
  • [18:46:13] <Crofton|work> beagle puppies maybe
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  • [18:48:31] <koen> Crofton|work: it gets even funnier, the dutch assimilated the german word for 'guy', 'bube' and pronounce it as 'poepe', which means 'to poop' in dutch
  • [18:48:41] <denix> hi koen
  • [18:48:57] <koen> I doubt you can find a word that doesn't mean poo in $obscure language
  • [18:48:59] <koen> hey denix
  • [18:49:13] <denix> have you tried mounting OE rootfs over nfs?
  • [18:49:53] <koen> denix: yes, but you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove 'auto eth0'
  • [18:50:09] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: puppies is probably even worse.
  • [18:50:12] <koen> the dhcp client in busybox brings down the interface...
  • [18:50:20] <denix> yeah, that's the with reconfiguring eth0
  • [18:50:29] <denix> i.e. problem
  • [18:51:10] <koen> but AIUI without it the interface doesn't come up on boot
  • [18:51:26] <Crofton|work> denix, you should have just asked the question, several of us have been burned by that problem :)
  • [18:51:28] * koen has bad experiences with nfs, so root on sd whenever possible
  • [18:51:44] <denix> what does auto do? is it auto-up?
  • [18:52:01] <koen> AIUI, yes
  • [18:52:07] <denix> Crofton|work: I know it's known issue, but I'd like to fix it properly
  • [18:52:27] <koen> note that debian has the same problem :/
  • [18:52:54] <koen> denix: maybe a pre-up script that checks if it was already configured
  • [18:53:06] <denix> my understanding is there should be some checks whether rootfs is network mounted
  • [18:53:17] <koen> right
  • [18:53:52] <denix> I was looking how Gentoo does it and there are those checks in startup scripts
  • [18:54:15] <koen> my mythtv box is on nfsroot
  • [18:54:22] <koen> it's debian powered and gets it wrong
  • [18:54:50] <denix> is it dhcp or static?
  • [18:54:55] <koen> dhcp
  • [18:55:19] <koen> I'd rather use ipv6, but my current DSL modem makes tunnels awkward
  • [18:55:48] <denix> btw, ifup is part of busybox
  • [18:55:55] <denix> is it standalone in debian?
  • [18:56:19] <koen> in angstrom we use the busybox one, but you can install 'ifupdown' if you want
  • [18:56:48] <denix> does it come with more sophisticated scripts? I'll look into it.
  • [18:57:17] <koen> I suspect the scripts are the same
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  • [19:01:19] <denix> last question - is kernel IP autoconfig (IP_PNP_DHCP) a complete dhcp client, will it renew addresses?
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  • [19:03:51] <koen> I dont think it will
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  • [19:04:29] <denix> so, not starting udhcp isn't good...
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  • [19:05:16] <koen> right, but I don't think that's a problem in the short term
  • [19:06:36] <denix> right, it will work for some time until the lease is expired
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  • [19:07:47] <koen> I think userspace (and the kernel by extension) treat is a static config
  • [19:08:15] <koen> http://openarena.ws/fsfps/h2.html#svn
  • [19:08:25] * koen is confused about the svn statement
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  • [19:11:05] <koen> there *is* an svn repo, but the source *isn't* there
  • [19:16:58] <Ikarus> denix: it is a pure single shot dhcp client
  • [19:17:10] <Ikarus> denix: though iirc somehow a user space dhcp client can take over the lease
  • [19:18:32] <ldesnogu_> koen, isn't Haktoria only providing contents? their data folders under svn are not empty
  • [19:20:53] <sakoman> koen: is there a pdf viewer in the repo?
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  • [19:23:19] <denix> Ikarus: thanks. I'll look into it
  • [19:23:49] <koen> sakoman: epdfview for fixedpoint rendering, evince for floatingpoint rendering
  • [19:24:14] <sakoman> koen is the font of all knowledge ;-)
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  • [19:25:34] <koen> sakoman: iirc epdfview will also do progressive loading, but it could have changed
  • [19:26:01] <koen> poppler does some things different as xpdf where it came from
  • [19:26:14] <sakoman> I'll try both. Sounds like a pleasant diversion from u-boot branch merging
  • [19:26:19] <ldesnogu_> talking about evince, did anyone notice it renders TI docs from right to left?
  • [19:26:22] * koen has a 600MiB pdf of Feynman volume I
  • [19:26:42] <koen> ldesnogu_: fpa hardcoding problem?
  • [19:26:53] <ldesnogu_> koen, I mean on my 64 bit PC's :)
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  • [19:35:13] <koen> there are a lot of musb patches floating around on the linux-usb list
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  • [19:42:23] <dirk2> keesj: ping
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  • [19:44:47] <keesj> hi
  • [19:45:39] <dirk2> keesj: I'm not totally through all the beagle openocd mails. Are you able to debug Beagle now?
  • [19:46:50] <keesj> no, but we are at a state where it *should* be possible to enable the dap in a clean way
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  • [19:47:53] <dirk2> ah, saw the comment in your patch "The OpenOCD BeagleBoard support in under development and not functional yet" now ;)
  • [19:48:19] <keesj> :P
  • [19:50:45] <dirk2> Do the openOCD patches go directly into svn, not through mailing list? So one have to track svn to get an idea what's going on?
  • [19:51:06] <keesj> that tcl code makes it all very fuzzy
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  • [19:55:04] <Gareth> jkridner: ping.
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  • [19:55:27] <prpplague> keesj: i've not had time to test the new code, have you?
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  • [19:56:57] <keesj> prpplague: a little, I run into the SEGV when I do :p
  • [19:57:07] <prpplague> ahh
  • [19:57:20] <dirk2> prpplague: Thanks a lot for your openOCD work!
  • [19:57:37] <prpplague> keesj: you using the procedure listed in the document, or the code that is in the bdi2000 config?
  • [19:57:54] <prpplague> dirk2: i really did very little other than research
  • [19:57:58] <keesj> the bdi2000
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  • [19:58:30] <prpplague> keesj: might try the procedure that's listed in the doc provided by jkridner
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  • [19:59:02] <keesj> Like I said I don't really get a chance, first need to fix the segv
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  • [19:59:25] <prpplague> keesj: ahh
  • [19:59:37] <Beagle3> Quick question: Is there a contact phone number for information on the Beagle board?
  • [20:00:58] <prpplague> Beagle3: if there is, it would be listed on the beagle website
  • [20:01:12] <prpplague> Beagle3: i can't imaging what you'd need that you couldn't get from the website
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  • [20:08:38] <keesj> hi ssvb
  • [20:09:06] <ssvb> hi keesj
  • [20:14:25] <keesj> ssvb: doing some omap35xx work?
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  • [20:15:07] <ssvb> yes
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  • [20:17:39] <keesj> neon?
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  • [20:45:38] <ssvb> keesj: yes, mostly
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  • [20:48:44] <Xenion> Good Evening :-)
  • [20:50:44] <jkridner|work> ping ds2
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  • [20:53:20] <Xenion> jkridner, looks like timeout ;)
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  • [20:59:17] <Gareth> jkridner|work: ping
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  • [21:05:35] <koen> lots of activity on the list today
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  • [21:54:09] <mru> ldesnogu_: ping
  • [21:55:11] <ldesnogu_> mru ?
  • [21:55:27] <mru> armcc gives me this: Internal fault: [0x4a6c36:400400]
  • [21:55:41] <mru> just trying to use inline asm
  • [21:55:43] <ldesnogu_> that doesn't look pretty
  • [21:55:46] <mru> despite the warning
  • [21:55:54] <ldesnogu_> the deprecated one ?
  • [21:55:57] <mru> yes
  • [21:56:03] <mru> the other one is useless
  • [21:56:11] <ldesnogu_> hum that should work anyway
  • [21:56:18] <mru> it works most of the time
  • [21:56:24] <ldesnogu_> I guess you will have to open a bug...
  • [21:56:29] <mru> guess so
  • [21:56:36] <mru> I'm distilling a test case
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  • [22:08:37] <primer_> Does Angstrom support jvm?
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  • [22:17:47] <calculus> primer_: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Java
  • [22:20:37] <primer_> calc - thanks, btw do you know of an advanced math library in c for embedded processors... int,der,matrix,fft etc ?
  • [22:21:25] <primer_> that would work on the omap in combination with Angstrom?
  • [22:21:54] <calculus> perhaps boost, but that is c++
  • [22:23:12] <calculus> I would imagine most c math libraries would work on omap and Angstrom
  • [22:23:34] <calculus> the only catch might be if parts of the math libraries are written in x86 assembly
  • [22:23:43] <calculus> or something non-arm
  • [22:24:24] <primer_> that was my worry too but it looks like this boost uses STL (yack) Have you used it before?
  • [22:24:30] <primer_> boost
  • [22:24:45] <calculus> I have used parts of it in the past
  • [22:25:01] <primer_> like taylor series n stuff/
  • [22:25:22] <calculus> oh, not for math
  • [22:25:43] <calculus> I used some of the filesystem and matrix/vector stuff
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  • [22:29:11] <calculus> you might want to check out octave (matlab clone) or maxima
  • [22:31:27] <primer_> looks mostly linear Alg based plus mines gears towrads an interface or function rather than matlab
  • [22:33:15] <primer_> maxima looks more like it
  • [22:34:06] <primer_> err maybe not
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  • [22:38:22] <gcohler> Note that there is a complete C64x+ DSP on the Beagleboard. So you could use that too.
  • [22:40:40] <jaziniho> i'm planning on ordering a beagleboard in the next few days, i just want to check about a few additional cables etc i'll need to order.
  • [22:41:29] <primer_> true but it'd be nice to have functions to take care of ODEs, PDEs, int, etc
  • [22:44:06] <jaziniho> the display output is an hdmi connector, but for DVI-D over hdmi. Therefore a tv/monitor with a dvi port (and not an hdmi port) is necessary, is that correct?
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  • [22:50:45] <gcohler> jaziniho: Yes, that's correct. It's only the DVI-D over HDMI. So you need a DVI-D monitor.
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  • [22:56:01] <jaziniho> okay. i'm a little unsure on the USB cables, so also for verification, to simply power the beagle board by USB i need a type A male to 5-pin mini type B cable?
  • [22:56:13] <mru> an hdmi tv will work just fine
  • [22:56:20] <jaziniho> such as: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125604
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  • [22:56:58] <jaziniho> hm, okay. so the hdmi tv will detect that a different signal is being passed in over the hdmi port?
  • [22:57:14] <mru> the video signal in hdmi and dvi is the same
  • [22:57:34] <mru> hdmi specifies how to embed audio packets in the horizontal blanking interval
  • [22:57:42] <mru> the beagle does not do this
  • [22:58:19] <mru> hdmi also specifies a few modes that monitors must support
  • [22:58:43] <mru> other than that there is no difference
  • [22:58:52] <jaziniho> okay. that's useful to know
  • [22:59:20] * mru is getting weary of correcting people on this
  • [22:59:23] <jaziniho> any experience with usb-to-serial cables? my main pc is a laptop.
  • [22:59:32] <mru> shouldn't be a problem
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  • [23:01:35] <jaziniho> yes, now that you've said that the bit on the elinux wiki makes it perfectly clear. i somehow misinterpreted that first time
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