[00:00:18] <mansour> The last time I checked with TI (1.5 years ago) they refused to sell me and said the products are for their strategic partners!
[00:00:39] <mansour> And now they are making this board for the open source community!
[00:01:15] <koen> sakoman_: octave 3.0.3 compiles :)
[00:01:22] <koen> NOTE: Checking Package: octave
[00:01:36] * koen hugs his quadcore
[00:01:50] <mansour> They have sold few (less than 5k) to a UK company for making an opensource portable console!
[00:03:23] <mansour> I'm wondering why they have done so! Were their "strategic partners" not interested in new OMAP or what?!
[00:04:22] <koen> your name used to be "nokia" to be able to buy omaps
[00:04:23] <denix> mansour: welcome to the new era!
[00:04:35] <mansour> :D
[00:04:47] <denix> mansour: lots of things changed in 1.5 years...
[00:05:01] <koen> denix: welcome to the club :)
[00:05:15] <denix> mansour: UK opensource portable console - you mean Pandora?
[00:05:25] <mansour> yep
[00:05:31] <denix> koen: thanks
[00:06:46] <mansour> I know how Pandora started. The guys had lots of trouble convincing TI to talk to them.
[00:07:14] <mansour> I think some "insiders" helped them then
[00:07:41] <denix> mansour: you can start with http://opensource.ti.com
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[00:08:07] <mansour> denix: thanks for the link
[00:08:40] <denix> mansour: when was that "trouble convincing TI to talk to them"?
[00:09:48] <mansour> denix: early 2007 if I remember correct
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[00:13:01] <denix> mansour: you may want to google ti+opensource related news for the past 1 year
[00:13:57] <mansour> denix: I think I need to do so
[00:14:56] <denix> mansour: and OMAP35x was officially announced less than a year ago - the OMAP family specifically "made" for broader market
[00:14:59] <mansour> I had a new product at that time. I went to TI first, but when they refused I used products from a Korean company.
[00:15:47] <koen> sakoman_: sed -i -e /MAN5\ =/d -e /MAN8\ =/d Makefile.am
[00:16:09] <mansour> I was not alone. May people tried to reach TI at that time but they refused to listen to them. Now, TI is running after them :)
[00:18:19] <denix> mansour: before OMAP35x, that technology was only available to "strategic partners" (read big cell phone manufacturers like Nokia)
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[00:20:04] <koen> sakoman_: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ccb9b3f54dbdde10eee6f519d1a6ed82745e9ff
[00:35:18] <jkridner|work> koen: I wish I knew why they didn't want it public yet.
[00:36:04] <jkridner|work> Not sure what LinuxDevices is going to do with the exclusive video rights for a few days--doesn't seem like their style. Maybe someone else has the video too?
[00:36:33] <jkridner|work> koen: anyway, thanks for the patience, if not understanding.
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[00:43:47] <beewoolie> Is there an ARM optimized version of mpeg2dec? I don't see any such code in Debian which suggests that the work done last year hasn't made it into the upstream source.
[00:48:30] <geckosenator> magnet: maybe I can modify the pico projector to work as video glasses
[01:01:01] <mansour> The same thing is happening to broadcom
[01:01:21] <mansour> oops, sorry!
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[01:08:59] <mru> koen: what's this "it", and who isn't going public?
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[01:11:30] <wbrown> or is it a secret?
[01:14:31] <mru> probably something to do with the pico projector: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2883080813.html
[01:15:00] * mru doesn't see what's so exclusive about a fuzzy video of a projected image
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[01:25:10] <geckosenator> do you think you could shine the pico projector directly into your eye with much reduced brightness?
[01:28:09] <denix> pico-goggles? :)
[01:28:54] <wbrown> (shudders)
[01:28:59] <wbrown> 10 lumens into your eyes?
[01:29:00] <wbrown> omg
[01:29:05] <wbrown> it buuuuuuuuuurns.
[01:29:29] <geckosenator> er
[01:29:33] <geckosenator> I would reduce the lumens
[01:30:00] <geckosenator> I would need to flip the image, but that can be in software
[01:31:02] <zalassi> does the pico projector focus at infinity?
[01:31:15] <geckosenator> another good point
[01:31:22] <geckosenator> I might need a lens
[01:31:23] <zalassi> it has to either focus at infinity
[01:31:25] <zalassi> or beyond
[01:31:32] <geckosenator> like a magnifying glass
[01:31:39] <geckosenator> it wouldn't focus beyond infinity
[01:31:46] <zalassi> no, you need a concave lens
[01:31:47] <geckosenator> well
[01:32:01] <zalassi> the rays for a single pixel are converging after a projector
[01:32:05] <geckosenator> yeah
[01:32:08] <geckosenator> right, concave
[01:32:30] <zalassi> so yes, unless you want to induce eye strain, you want rays for a single pixel to be parallel
[01:32:37] <geckosenator> yeah
[01:32:42] <geckosenator> so I would need a concave lens
[01:32:49] <geckosenator> that's fine
[01:33:10] <geckosenator> but I don't even know where I can buy a pico projector or read any specs on it
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[01:45:47] <wbrown> 3M has one for sale, geckosenator
[01:46:45] <wbrown> They're in the $500 price range.
[01:46:53] <wbrown> So it's not the economical solution you're looking for.
[01:48:31] <geckosenator> hm
[01:48:36] <geckosenator> I just got paid $500
[01:48:44] <geckosenator> I can use those dollars :-P
[01:48:48] <geckosenator> but I need 2 one for each eye
[01:49:03] <geckosenator> unless I can use mirrors somehow
[01:49:23] <geckosenator> they are supposed to be like $300 though
[01:49:47] <wbrown> Depends on the model, resolution, lumens, battery, etc, I suppose.
[01:50:17] <geckosenator> yeah
[01:50:55] <geckosenator> I found video glasses for cheap at 640x480, but 800x600 cheapest I found was $800
[01:52:48] <wbrown> One problem I've had with these mirror models that use one LCD ...
[01:52:57] <wbrown> Is it doens't work for me, with glasses.
[01:54:04] <denix> btw, pico projector is HVGA
[01:54:24] <wbrown> yeah.
[01:54:37] <denix> its half-vga - 480x320
[01:57:11] <ds2> 640x480 DVI-D is what it wants as input
[01:57:40] <mru> I see a large discrepancy in pixel counts...
[01:58:00] <ds2> mru: in what way?
[01:58:18] <mru> 320<640
[01:58:32] <ds2> it doubles the pixels
[01:58:57] <mru> drops half of them more likely
[01:59:00] <wbrown> Halves, you mean.
[01:59:02] <wbrown> heh :)
[01:59:12] <ds2> it looks like it doubles them
[01:59:33] <mru> if you double something, you get more, not less than you started with
[01:59:37] <ds2> if it were to drop them, I'd expect drop outs on my slides; there are stuff there that is one pixel wide
[01:59:58] <mru> then it's probably doing some more clever downsampling
[02:00:06] <ds2> indeed
[02:00:34] <ds2> it is a lot nicer then that sub $200 thing from Tiger
[02:00:35] <denix> it can't simply drop every second pixel - it's 640->480, 480->320
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[02:02:00] <ds2> of course this is digital vs s-video
[02:02:11] <mru> I'm sure someone can devise some test patterns to determine exactly what it's doing
[02:03:42] <geckosenator> ds2: wow, I thought it was higher resolution
[02:05:34] <ds2> geckosenator: have you looked into transreflective lcds?
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[02:06:41] <geckosenator> ds2: not yet
[02:06:52] <geckosenator> ds2: I can't find ones small enough with high resolution
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[02:12:11] <ds2> geckosenator: look for the ones from the N810
[02:12:23] <ds2> 800x480 and small
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[02:16:48] <geckosenator> that would be perfect
[02:18:32] <geckosenator> it's also 4.1" display
[02:18:38] <geckosenator> which is too big isn't it?
[02:19:03] <ds2> it isn't as big, note the 800x480 figure; it is a wide LCD
[02:19:24] <ds2> the narrow dimension is smaller then the beagle
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[02:19:55] <geckosenator> I want to stick it 1" from my eyeball
[02:20:17] <ds2> oh you want an HMD
[02:20:30] <geckosenator> yeah
[02:20:38] <ds2> that's $$$$$$
[02:20:50] <geckosenator> heh
[02:20:51] <ds2> unless you want the S-Video output instead
[02:21:01] <geckosenator> it might end up using that
[02:21:07] <geckosenator> but I'm not sure if I could read text on it
[02:21:19] <ds2> 72pt text works fine!
[02:21:28] <geckosenator> uh
[02:21:36] <geckosenator> I mean like 16x8 characters
[02:21:41] <geckosenator> or 8x16 whatever it is
[02:22:07] <geckosenator> I just need 2 tiny lcds that have really high res
[02:23:31] <geckosenator> maybe I could get a higher resolution since there are 2
[02:23:49] <ds2> or just use an alphanumeric display
[02:23:52] <geckosenator> in software it would output different data to each display to increase the resolution
[02:24:01] <geckosenator> nono.. I want to use it for programming
[02:24:16] <geckosenator> maybe you can do that, but I'm not good enough to write my codes on a alphanumeric display
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[02:39:43] <ds2> geckosenator:if you are using a HMD, what are you using for input;2A
[02:39:47] <ds2> ?
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[02:47:22] <geckosenator> ds2: everything :-P
[02:47:48] <ds2> such as?
[02:49:12] <geckosenator> web surfing, movies, running emacs in a console
[02:49:30] <ds2> I mean input devices
[02:49:41] <ds2> like are you using a kb, mouse, wii controller etc
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[02:49:44] <geckosenator> oh
[02:49:46] <geckosenator> kb and mouse
[02:49:52] <ds2> wired?
[02:49:55] <geckosenator> wireles
[02:50:08] <geckosenator> well, the mouse is wired, the keyboard is wireless
[02:50:09] <ds2> how would you use a mouse with a HMD?
[02:50:13] <geckosenator> in myhand
[02:50:26] <geckosenator> same as normal.. why would it matter?
[02:50:35] <geckosenator> I could look up and down to scroll I guess
[02:50:45] <ds2> why not something diferent such as a wii controllers and gestures?
[02:50:56] <geckosenator> I made my own mosue
[02:51:03] <geckosenator> sorry I am having trouble typing :-P
[02:51:20] <geckosenator> http://www.digitalsurveyinstruments.com/pointer.php
[02:51:35] <geckosenator> that's my mouse.. I made it already and it works better than wii controllers
[02:51:56] <ds2> ah
[02:52:06] <geckosenator> so it doesn't need a flat surface
[02:52:42] <ds2> and it emulates a mouse? i.e doesn't expose raw motion for gesture processing?
[02:52:47] <geckosenator> yeah
[02:52:49] <geckosenator> it does both
[02:52:54] <geckosenator> but I never did gestures really
[02:52:59] <geckosenator> I did sort of for scrolling
[02:53:29] <geckosenator> I found a HMD that is 800x600, but it costs a lot
[02:53:44] <ds2> they have them even higher rez but are speciality items
[02:54:16] <geckosenator> hmm
[02:54:24] <geckosenator> they cost more than $1000?
[02:54:33] <ds2> think they are analog inputs though
[02:54:38] <ds2> think so... like $5K
[02:54:41] <geckosenator> I wonder why, it has to be digital inside
[02:54:52] <geckosenator> they really should be hdmi
[02:55:47] <ds2> have you used a HMD before?
[02:55:52] <geckosenator> no
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[02:55:56] <geckosenator> have you?
[02:56:10] <ds2> only the cheap ones
[02:56:14] <ds2> and I wasn't happy with them
[02:56:19] <geckosenator> why is that?
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[02:57:12] <ds2> the one i used takes s-video in and suppose to emulate a 36" screen at 2M
[02:57:31] <ds2> it seem bulky and didn't feel natural
[02:57:36] <geckosenator> ok.. did it do that very well?
[02:57:55] <ds2> it was visible but I prefer a cheap projector over that
[02:58:35] <geckosenator> would you be able to read text on a console with it?
[02:58:49] <ds2> probally not
[02:58:57] <ds2> at least not the 80x25 console
[02:59:00] <geckosenator> but yours was 320x240 res?
[02:59:13] <ds2> donno if it was 320x240 or 640x480
[02:59:18] <geckosenator> hmm
[02:59:25] <geckosenator> I think I'm going to get 800x600 if I get one
[02:59:38] <geckosenator> do you know a website that sells higher resolution ones?
[02:59:53] <geckosenator> hopefully 800x600 would be sufficient for 80x25
[03:00:05] <geckosenator> normally 640x400 is
[03:00:09] <ds2> not off hand, the ones I have seen were from companies targeting a military app
[03:00:23] <geckosenator> oh
[03:00:55] <geckosenator> well, the beagle board s-video can only do 720 pixels right?
[03:01:07] <ds2> you scoured the wearables FAQ?
[03:02:12] <geckosenator> not yet
[03:02:48] <ds2> think i found that through a link on there
[03:03:07] <wbrown> hah
[03:08:49] <geckosenator> ds2: the people on that site are crazy
[03:09:00] <ds2> huh?
[03:09:02] <geckosenator> ds2: they are talking about wearing their computer for years at a time
[03:09:10] <geckosenator> even when you are sleeping
[03:09:24] <ds2> what site?
[03:09:42] <geckosenator> wearcomp.org
[03:10:32] <ds2> haven't seen it
[03:11:10] <geckosenator> virtualresearch.com has 1280x1024 displays :-P
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[03:30:22] <geckosenator> ooh cool, I found one that had 2 oled displays at 800x600, and if you run it at 60hz it flips between the two displays
[03:30:33] <geckosenator> I'll have to hack some special drivers for it :-P
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[03:33:13] <jkridner|work> can u-boot handle any expressions? it looks like not.
[03:39:43] <geckosenator> like for a mouse gesture?
[03:39:56] <geckosenator> or yu mean like 1+1?
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[03:43:26] <ds2> expressions as in math, nope
[03:51:21] <geckosenator> how about lisp expressions?
[03:52:10] <denix> like in facial expressions? sadness, happiness etc? :)
[03:53:18] <denix> well, time to go home - good night
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[03:54:05] <Kavi> BThompson: hello, sir i heard you have worked on ccs, i want a help
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[04:02:28] <Kavi> how to get audio plugins working on the beagleboard?
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[04:16:21] <RyoKimball> So... does anyone want to send me a a beagle board?
[04:16:24] <RyoKimball> I'll pay for shipping...
[04:20:02] <Wowbagger_> www.digikey.com
[04:25:34] <RyoKimball> I meant for free...
[04:25:41] <RyoKimball> (minus shipping)
[04:26:37] * RyoKimball was kidding...btw
[04:26:40] <ds2> shipping/handling is $250
[04:26:48] <ds2> prepaid shipping first!
[04:27:32] <RyoKimball> Oh... well, what if I just come & pick it up?
[04:28:10] <ds2> the drive way has a toll of $240 ;)
[04:28:35] <RyoKimball> I'll walk then
[04:28:44] <RyoKimball> (Er, run. Fly?)
[04:30:07] <RyoKimball> (Although I would like to see that house...)
[04:31:29] <RyoKimball> Ack... oh, well. I go sleep now. Thanks for the chat ^,^
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[07:48:47] <koen> good morning all
[07:50:13] <geckosenator> are you in europe?
[07:51:09] <koen> yes
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[08:20:20] <methril> Good morning
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[10:08:01] <RobertK> good morning ;-)
[10:08:20] <guillaum1> hi all
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[10:13:10] <likewise> hey all
[10:18:40] <koen> NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.3.2+csl-arm-2008q3-39-r0: task do_compile: completed
[10:18:43] <koen> there we go
[10:52:24] <RobertK> koen: does this means angstr??om now uses the new CS compiler?
[10:52:30] <koen> no
[10:52:42] <RobertK> okay
[10:52:48] <koen> it means you can now build angstrom using a not-so-broken 2008q3
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[10:53:45] <RobertK> ...instead of using 2007q3?
[11:03:18] <koen> angstrom only uses a csl compiler for the kernel
[11:03:27] <koen> userspace is using gcc 4.3.1 + neon patch
[11:07:37] <koen> and since the beagleboard is real hardware instead of qemu I don't trust recent CSL compilers
[11:12:07] <ldesnogu> koen: so why do you use CSL compiler for the kernel, which is the most sensitive part? :)
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[11:44:46] <koen> ldesnogu: 2.6.26 kernel bug
[11:47:29] <ldesnogu> you mean the asm constraint?
[11:47:38] <ldesnogu> isn't that a one line patch against the kernel?
[11:51:40] <koen> dunno
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[12:06:39] <tomba> hmm, no complaints about DSS today? I'll mark this day to my calendar!
[12:07:03] <likewise> tomba: the day is still long here :-)
[12:07:26] <tomba> yes, better log off ;)
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[12:20:35] <jkridner> morning all
[12:21:50] <koen> hey jkridner
[12:23:47] <magnet> hello everyone !
[12:23:54] <koen> hey magnet
[12:25:43] <jkridner> seems like the room has stayed pretty busy the last couple of weeks.
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[12:34:40] <RobertK> Does anyone know why the framebuffer at 640x480 has a virtual width of 819? Just curious about this number?!?!
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[12:35:20] <tomba> the virtual width should be the same as width, except if somebody changes it
[12:36:11] <koen> tomba: is the evm 18 bit fix in your git already?
[12:36:21] <RobertK> I changed nothing but: real: 640x480 virtual: 819x960. Hmmm. I will reboot, just a second...
[12:37:46] <tomba> koen: no. I guess I could make the change, even if I'm not sure about it. but as you are probably the only EVM user for DSS2, well, then it fixes the problem for 100% of the users =)
[12:38:01] <koen> :)
[12:38:16] <koen> tomba: maybe we can convince kulve to run dss2 on his evm :)
[12:38:23] <kulve> I tend to take my patches from OE :)
[12:38:25] <tomba> RobertK: X could change it
[12:39:50] <tomba> do you have EVM schematics? or some technical ref manual?
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[12:41:31] <koen> s-video works on evm as well
[12:41:53] <tomba> pushed the 16->18 change
[12:42:26] <BBdev> hi, i want to access gpio from user space, what lib should i include in my code in order to use mmap function?
[12:42:28] <koen> although scaling a portrait screen to a landscape screen is a bit ugly
[12:43:52] <BBdev> is it mman.h ?
[12:44:04] <koen> tomba: are you planning to add support to framebuffer rotation (be it software or hardware)?
[12:44:09] <koen> s/to/for/
[12:44:31] <tomba> koen: yes
[12:45:47] <koen> it seems TI will do the v4l part
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[12:46:11] <jkridner> koen: do you have any thoughts on the "Patch P:d:fp:h does not exist" error on OSX building gnu-config?
[12:46:30] <koen> jkridner: no idea, sorry
[12:48:49] <jkridner> what does gnu-configurize even do?
[12:50:20] <koen> it updates config.sub and config.guess with new host definitions
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[12:50:43] <koen> e.g. avr32-foo-linux
[12:50:49] <jkridner> I cannot even figure out what command generates this error.
[12:50:51] <jkridner> k.
[12:51:17] <koen> sakoman_, Crofton: http://pastebin.com/m8539216
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[12:54:36] <jkridner> sakoman_, all: what is the right way to update the linux headers in u-boot?
[12:55:10] <jkridner> I'm trying to build tools/env and I'm missing include/linux/mtd/mtd-user.h
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[12:56:26] <jkridner> since this is for a user-space application, I'm thinking the headers are good enough.
[12:56:59] <koen> yeah, linux-libc-headers(-dev) should provide it
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[12:57:33] <jkridner> so, just dump them on top of the existing include files in u-boot?
[12:58:30] <koen> ehm
[12:58:48] <koen> -I/path ?
[12:59:24] <jkridner> well, there are some already in the u-boot tree. I'm just looking for the way to be consistent, not the quick hack.
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[12:59:50] <jkridner> I'm wondering if it is u-boot policy to keep copying header files out of linux, where perhaps they really should be just referring to it.
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[13:20:23] <Ikarus> jkridner: well, what if you want to compile u-boot on a system not running Linux ?
[13:20:42] <Ikarus> then you'd have to grab the whole Linux kernel (+ glibc ?) to make it work
[13:24:12] <RobertK> tomba: you are right, virtual res. is the same as real after rebooting. I tried to set the virt. res to 1280x960 and this results was a virt. res. of 819x960
[13:24:50] <tomba> RobertK: if there's not enough mem for that size, the fb will tune it down
[13:25:11] <tomba> mem meaning, what is currently reserved. it does not reallocate anything.
[13:26:03] <RobertK> tomba: yes, you are right. It was at all my fault. I wanted a vres-screen twice as big as the real. 1280x960 are 4xreal res. My fault...
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[13:27:55] <garren> hi all
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[13:31:57] <RobertK> tomba: I see, smem_len is 3145728 - so it must result in 819x960. Interesting is that the y-res seems to have priority.
[13:34:46] <koen> hmmm
[13:35:02] <koen> we're 4 people short of 2^10 mailinglist subscribers
[13:35:43] <Ikarus> heh
[13:35:47] <Crofton> let me sign up my other email accounts
[13:38:42] <AV500> what do I get as the 2^10th subscriber?
[13:38:50] <AV500> a free BB?
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[15:09:56] <sakoman_> koen: I was able to get octave to build successfully too
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[15:13:00] <sakoman_> koen: sadly though the version bump on firefox is failing on xremote client with ERROR: mozilla-xremote-client.o: Conflicting definitions of wchar_t
[15:14:50] <sakoman_> fails the same way on both machines so it isn't an amd64 issue this time
[15:15:52] <koen> sakoman_: it's a gcc 4.3 issue
[15:16:10] <koen> sakoman_: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=68a50e8c8a5ef9521ac201acfbb138fddc29d2b1
[15:17:05] * sakoman_ needs to always do a pull before mentioning issues on irc :-)
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[15:17:48] <Crofton> sakoman_, at least check gitweb :)
[15:19:17] <sakoman_> Crofton: I do, but I often forget that my gitweb can be a couple of hours behind the times
[15:19:41] <sakoman_> And a lot can happen on oe.dev is a few hours!
[15:19:44] <Crofton> heh
[15:19:45] <Crofton> yeah
[15:19:48] <sakoman_> s/is/in/
[15:19:54] <Crofton> ok, off to work
[15:20:01] <sakoman_> Still in Phoenix?
[15:20:03] <Crofton> yeah
[15:20:07] <Crofton> last week
[15:20:13] <sakoman_> Lovely weather lately!
[15:20:16] <Crofton> may have some work in december
[15:20:22] <Crofton> but I can do a lot of that from home
[15:20:33] <Crofton> and the beagle content is better
[15:20:36] <sakoman_> much better that way, living in a motel isn't fun
[15:20:40] <Crofton> yeah
[15:21:00] <Crofton> motel is expensive
[15:21:09] <Crofton> extended stay places really suck
[15:21:22] <Crofton> bbiab
[15:23:52] * koen finally solved the missing icons problem Jean-Marc spotted
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[15:26:02] <koen> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=efd7ea2b71588ec16d2f56ae7635cf3825e89ee5
[15:26:16] <koen> I wonder how things would like if sed didn't exist
[15:26:42] <Vegar> hehe
[15:27:14] * koen should also stop doing os.system("sed ....")
[15:27:46] <sakoman_> koen: so now non-png icons show up?
[15:28:01] <koen> tomba: is there any roadmap for DSS2?
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[15:28:18] <koen> sakoman_: I seem to have icons on places that previously had [x]
[15:28:38] <koen> e.g. epiphany url bar and gnome-panel
[15:29:14] <RobertK> tomba: your omap_dispc_register_isr works like a charm. Thank you for this hint!
[15:29:41] <sakoman_> koen: ah, I see. So still no icon for xmms in the apps menu?
[15:29:54] <koen> sakoman_: no idea on that
[15:30:13] <sakoman_> I had to do some sed magic to get games & other apps to auto-populate the apps menu
[15:30:15] <koen> sakoman_: you could try installing gdk-pixbuf-loader-xpm
[15:30:35] <sakoman_> koen: I think it is already included, but I'll check
[15:30:55] <koen> the apps menu in enlightenment you mean?
[15:31:05] * koen gave up on trying to populate that
[15:31:21] <sakoman_> yes, it was simple -- one moment and I'll get you a url
[15:32:42] <sakoman_> koen: I take that back, it didn't need sed :-)
[15:32:52] <sakoman_> http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=efad1d92a4e8a828192174887e6ce72eb1d98967
[15:33:13] <sakoman_> I think I had to use sed on a couple apps to add a category
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[15:36:20] <koen> sakoman_: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a431ab82aa19e5eeb542504284e6c1a9c13afdb
[15:36:34] <koen> I modified the commit to bump PR as well
[15:36:52] <sakoman_> Demo-ers around the world will thank you for that :-)
[15:37:15] <sakoman_> I got tired of hearing "where are all the games?"
[15:37:21] <koen> applications.menu should be in a seperate package
[15:37:38] <koen> since more than one app (gnome, e17, xfce) want to install a version
[15:37:57] <sakoman_> yeah - I took the path of least resistance
[15:38:26] <koen> I did as wel last year
[15:38:34] <koen> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=history;f=packages/e17/e-wm/applications.menu;h=7a431ab82aa19e5eeb542504284e6c1a9c13afdb;hb=7a431ab82aa19e5eeb542504284e6c1a9c13afdb
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[15:40:02] <sakoman_> koen: you also might want to consider this one: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=a7aa7ac449194e63ece29e68741a531b768c71e7
[15:40:27] <sakoman_> you'll want to bump PR there too I suspect
[15:40:32] <koen> sed ;)
[15:41:36] <sakoman_> There are probably others, I need to remember to ping you with stuff that should go uptream
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[15:42:20] <koen> I keep meaning to do a gnome image and tell people it's 'ubuntu'
[15:43:18] <Ikarus> koen: just do a Debian image and grab the ubuntu themeing ?
[15:43:33] <koen> blech
[15:43:35] <koen> debian
[15:43:59] <koen> If I want to run armv4t binaries I'd use my neo1973
[15:44:25] <Ikarus> koen: heh, then arrange for a build and test cluster of Beagle Boards :P
[15:44:47] <koen> why?
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[15:45:02] <koen> if I need to compile every debian package myself what's the point?
[15:45:21] <Ikarus> koen: because that can still be done automated ?
[15:45:43] <koen> you don't get it
[15:46:00] <koen> what's the point of debian over e.g. angstrom or gentoo if you have to compile everything yourself
[15:46:17] <Ikarus> koen: well, that you can then put it on a package server making it availible to all ?
[15:46:32] <koen> angstrom has already done that
[15:46:36] <koen> so again, what's the point?
[15:46:58] <Crofton|irssi> koen: Let's post an Angstrom image labeled "Debian"
[15:47:09] <Crofton|irssi> and link apt-get to opkg :)
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[15:47:32] <sakoman_> koen: don't know if you include gnome-mplayer, but if you do you might want: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=9d5f96d1f506f7f005b0569c6988ba0f9fd815f7
[15:47:57] <koen> Crofton|irssi: angstrom can already create .debs and use apt :)
[15:48:12] <Crofton|irssi> no link required then
[15:48:17] <koen> Crofton|irssi: ANGSTROM_PKG_FORMAT = "deb" bitbake beagleboard-demo-image
[15:48:27] <sakoman_> koen: be warned that gnome-mplayer has a memory leak, so if you put it in loop mode for trade show demos it will eventually eat all of memory
[15:48:28] <Crofton|irssi> arguing over distros is like trying to teach a pig to sing
[15:48:44] <Crofton|irssi> sakoman_: did you learn this the hard way?
[15:48:52] * koen puts some lipstick on a pig
[15:48:54] <sakoman_> TI did :-)
[15:49:15] <sakoman_> They were demo Overo at a show a few weeks back
[15:49:19] <sakoman_> demoing
[15:50:04] <koen> so that's why beagles now have 256MB ram ;)
[15:50:28] * koen gave in and ordered a uvc webcam
[15:51:04] <sakoman_> koen: Overo, too
[15:51:28] <sakoman_> but it still eats all of memory, just takes a bit longer :-)
[15:52:02] <koen> :)
[15:52:20] <koen> I profiled opencv's facedetect yesterday
[15:52:34] <koen> it spends almost no time in image loading
[15:52:35] <sakoman_> I think with 256MB it is 4 hours of big buck bunny
[15:52:46] <zuh> If it's > the duration of the trade show, surely it's worth the money!
[15:52:48] <koen> almost all time is spent in running the classifier
[15:53:46] <koen> so we could do realtime facedetect by trimming the training data
[15:54:18] * koen gets flashbacks to his bachelor thesis
[15:58:28] <Crofton|irssi> koen: powertop works on the beagle?
[15:59:07] <shriram> i have tried it on evm
[15:59:28] <shriram> but i dont observe all power states
[16:00:14] <Crofton|irssi> do you need the pm kernel?
[16:00:58] <shriram> im using kevin hilmans kernel. are you talking about that?
[16:01:07] <Crofton|irssi> yeah
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[16:01:46] <shriram> im using that, it is far from complete
[16:02:37] <koen> Crofton|irssi: it does
[16:03:05] <Crofton|irssi> is there a good place to read up on power management on the omap
[16:03:06] <koen> Crofton|irssi: but you need the omap-pm branch to get c0-c4 and tweak some sysfs stuff to get c5 and c6
[16:03:43] <koen> Crofton|irssi: and hopefully we'll have cpufreq in omap-pm next month
[16:03:50] <shriram> what tweaks are needed o get c5 and c6? i see the sysfs entries for all the states though
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[16:06:45] <koen> shriram: http://rafb.net/p/MfGEjT51.html
[16:07:15] <koen> I haven't tried it yet since I'm not using the omap-pm branch for daily testing
[16:07:30] <koen> Crofton|irssi: the omap3 trm has lots of info about powersaving
[16:07:46] <koen> Crofton|irssi: although that's mostly hardware (smartreflex, SLM, etc)
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[16:09:17] <koen> Crofton|irssi: on the software side you have cpuidle and cpufreq
[16:09:30] <shriram> i think i have tried that before
[16:09:41] <koen> Crofton|irssi: the tricks is to have a framework to control all this so PM doesn't get in your way
[16:09:51] <shriram> running powertop after that does not show c5 and c6
[16:09:56] <koen> Crofton|irssi: iirc that's that the latency stuff is about
[16:10:37] <koen> shriram: you're the same sriram that posted to l-o just now?
[16:10:43] <shriram> yes
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[16:10:59] <koen> then let's wait till kevin or jouni respond :)
[16:11:28] <shriram> yeah
[16:11:34] <koen> Crofton|irssi: DSS2 has a sysfs node to turn of the dvi framer
[16:12:51] <shriram> koen, when you tried pm. did you observe any performance issues. like uart does not respond to your commands quickly?
[16:13:40] <koen> I didn't enable the sysfs stuff on beagle
[16:13:51] <koen> so it only did c4, which seems ok
[16:14:17] <koen> I was mostly paying attention to the multimeter to see how much mA it was burning
[16:14:18] <shriram> for somereason, it is very slow on evm, even booting takes quite sometime
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[16:15:16] <shriram> do you have instantaneous power consumption figures?
[16:16:11] <koen> shriram: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/b03e08868af7c6e0#
[16:16:25] <shriram> i was thinking of connecting an energy meter to measure power consumption
[16:16:58] <koen> I put a fluke mm between psu and board
[16:17:49] <shriram> but the reading keep changing isnt it as you use the board?
[16:17:56] <Crofton|irssi> shriram: you'd need a pretty good one
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[16:18:33] <shriram> mm or energy meter?
[16:18:54] <shriram> thinking if measuring power over a period of time makes sense
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[16:31:27] <magnet> oh. there are 6310 steps to bitbake beagleboard-demo-image. sesh
[16:31:32] <magnet> I'll go watch tv :p
[16:38:29] <SpaceY> can the beagle board play divx movies
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[16:41:22] <Crofton|irssi> koenm, you really need a watt meter
[16:41:35] <Crofton|irssi> does the voltage fluctuate much?
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[16:50:07] <koen> Crofton|irssi: voltage is a steady 5V from a 135W atx psu
[16:50:32] <koen> Crofton|irssi: I could try reading out the voltage with lmsensors on the efika :)
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[17:01:00] <koen> Crofton|irssi: although I really should get 2 DMMs to do such measurements
[17:01:25] <koen> with usb or serial so I can script together some plots
[17:01:48] <koen> gnuplot has a cairo backend nowadays :)
[17:02:32] * koen bets sakomans uses his gumstix solar thingy to do current measurements ;)
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[17:09:44] <Crofton|irssi> koen: right :)
[17:10:02] <Crofton|irssi> need to check hiw much impact small voltage changes make on power
[17:14:34] <Ikarus> hrm, does the OMAP3530 have any temperature sensors ?
[17:15:26] <Ikarus> ah well, I'll dig throguh the datasheet
[17:16:04] <koen> it does
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[17:16:12] <koen> but it gives funny values
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[17:17:02] <koen> root@beagleboard:/sys# cat ./devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input
[17:17:03] <koen> 45
[17:17:39] <koen> ah, they seem to have fixed it
[17:22:03] <koen> root@omap3evm:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input
[17:22:03] <koen> 80
[17:22:37] * koen wonders if es3.0 fixed the temp sensor
[17:27:00] * koen mails the nokia sensor dude
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[17:52:16] <Ikarus> koen: going to be receiving an Overo board RSN, wanted to see if I could figure out why it crashes at 600 Mhz with an onboard sensor that is a bit easier, hence
[17:56:05] <Ikarus> (just wish they had an ETA on the 3530 equipped version, though getting this one on loan, so not a biggy)
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[17:57:42] <likewise> oe beagleboard-demo-image should be buildable from head git?
[17:58:13] <koen> NOTE: package beagleboard-demo-image-1.0: completed
[17:58:14] <koen> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 8277 tasks of which 8185 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed.
[17:58:17] <koen> NOTE: build 200811181641: completed
[17:58:39] <likewise> | /home/leon/sandbox/beagleboard/openembedded/tmp/cross/armv7a/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.1/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.ver:2: ignoring invalid character `\001' in script
[17:58:52] <koen> likewise: stop using dash as shell :)
[17:59:00] <likewise> ARGH. | /home/leon/sandbox/beagleboard/openembedded/tmp/cross/armv7a/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.1/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.ver:2: syntax error in VERSION script
[17:59:04] <koen> or find a gtk developer and kick him
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[17:59:19] <likewise> koen: ok, all of the above
[18:00:00] <koen> gtk abuses something in libtool that dash doesn't like
[18:01:53] <likewise> koen: thanks!
[18:02:42] * koen is happy to have diagnosed the problem correctly
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[18:09:32] <sakoman_> koen: image build progressed a bit further and is now dying on xserver-xorg
[18:09:52] <sakoman_> ephyrhostglx.c:47:32: error: GL/internal/glcore.h: No such file or directory
[18:10:01] <sakoman_> Do you see this?
[18:11:53] <sakoman_> koen: I'm doing a build on both amd32 and amd64 -- fails in the same way on both
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[18:15:40] <Crofton|irssi> fa2nge
[18:16:12] <sakoman_> Crofton|irssi: don't realize you had your cat with you ;-)
[18:16:52] <Crofton|irssi> silly thing
[18:17:01] <Crofton|irssi> he is very powerful
[18:18:02] <sakoman_> grumble, everytime I pull it takes a day to get productive again :-(
[18:18:28] <Crofton|irssi> you need to pull in a seperate build dir
[18:18:43] <Crofton|irssi> and only pull for real on days when it builds
[18:19:18] <sakoman_> I do pull into a test tree, but how does one know what day everything builds?
[18:20:43] <Crofton|irssi> when it builds :)
[18:20:49] <sakoman_> heh
[18:21:32] <sakoman_> I guess someone has to be the test subject to find what's broken
[18:21:44] <Crofton|irssi> That last build i did worked
[18:21:50] <sakoman_> Looks like xserver got bumped 4 days ago
[18:23:54] <sakoman_> Crofton|irssi: when did you do your last build?
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[18:25:32] <Crofton|irssi> a couple of days ago
[18:25:45] <Crofton|irssi> I'll start another in a bit :)
[18:27:15] <Crofton|irssi> NOTE: build 200811130933: completed
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[18:33:48] <Crofton|irssi> demo-image building now
[18:35:38] <koen> sakoman_: haven't seen that error yet, was mesa built?
[18:38:17] <koen> mru: I see you rebased your ffmpeg tree, does that mean the patches are going upstream?
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[18:41:37] <koen> jkridner, sakoman_: 'opkg install angstrom-x11vnc-xinit' will export your xsession over vnc automagically, could be usefull for demos
[18:44:51] <sakoman_> koen: mesa-7.2 package was available in staging, so I assume that got used
[18:47:15] <rangerpb> I'm interested in the beagle board. Would anyone humor me to help me understand processor performance? It refers to laptop-like performance. Is that sheer execution or is it referring to parallel processing? Whats the spin on that?
[18:47:55] <koen> rangerpb: it varies
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[18:48:13] <koen> rangerpb: it can play http://downloads.sketchworkproductions.com/peach/big_buck_bunny_720p_surround.avi in realtime
[18:48:41] <rangerpb> well I am familiar with intel platforms and powerpc platforms as well, but this ARM implementation piqued my interest
[18:48:44] <koen> but things like povray won't be setting speedrecords
[18:49:04] <rangerpb> or things like openssl speed tests and the like?
[18:49:37] <rangerpb> so is the beagle processor (s) multi-core, or some such?
[18:50:10] <ds2> dual core
[18:50:12] <koen> it's a cortex-a8 arm core with a c64x dsp attached to it
[18:50:16] <ds2> just not symetrical
[18:50:41] <ds2> koen: looks like you gave up on gspca?
[18:50:46] <rangerpb> so @600 mhz , it should do well with transaction, parrellel work loads
[18:51:02] <rangerpb> s/transaction/transactional/
[18:51:48] <koen> ds2: I can try again later, I do need >1 webcam for video conferencing :)
[18:53:24] <koen> sweet, opencv has octave bindings
[18:53:42] <koen> less sweet, I need to write a project proposal about it now :)
[18:54:26] <ds2> koen: how far did you get with gspca? seems all the cams I have lying around are gspca :(
[18:55:10] <ds2> how far as in any patches you came up with
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[18:56:44] <koen> ds2: didn't try gspca, only sn19x
[18:56:58] <koen> my cam is *rumoured* to work with gspca
[18:57:06] <ds2> is the sn19x any better?
[18:57:11] <koen> as in random people on ubuntu forums
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[18:57:22] <koen> when the sn19x driver was out-of-tree it worked
[18:57:37] <ds2> i.e did you try to start reading video, ctrl-c, and repeat 2-3 times while checking for USB errors?
[18:57:39] <koen> it recognized the cam, senser and everything, but I can't get any date out of it
[18:57:56] <ds2> that sounds like an ISO issue
[18:58:21] <ds2> w/the apparrent success of the FB stuff, prehaps we should do the same for USB
[18:59:47] <koen> there already is a nokia dude on it iirc
[18:59:52] <koen> felipe b
[19:00:03] <ds2> he's been at it for a long time
[19:00:18] <ds2> along w/david I think
[19:02:14] <sakoman_> koen: I did a rebuild of mesa just to be sure -- and xorg fails in the same way. the required GL files are indeed missing from staging
[19:02:52] <sakoman_> have any idea what package is supposed to generate glcore.h?
[19:03:19] <koen> yes, mesa :(
[19:03:34] <Crofton|irssi> jkridner: ping
[19:03:36] <sakoman_> sigh
[19:06:34] <sakoman_> koen: hmm . . . looking in work I see that mesa-7.0.2 has it and mesa-1 does not
[19:06:37] <SpaceY> is it possible fo rthe beagleboard to play divx movies?
[19:07:00] <koen> SpaceY: yes, provided you install a mediaplayer
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[19:07:19] <Crofton|irssi> jkridner: The DSP tool link is still dead?
[19:07:51] <Crofton|irssi> A guy on the gnuradio list just noticed and is "annoyed"
[19:08:22] <Crofton|irssi> Do you have any idea when this will be resolved?
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[19:08:35] <SpaceY> and thats only after you install debian or armstrong?
[19:10:51] <koen> SpaceY: you won't be able to play decent sized movies with debian
[19:11:02] <koen> you'd need something more optimized
[19:11:55] <koen> sakoman_: it should be building mesa 7.2
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[19:14:49] <sakoman_> koen: right. that package doesn't include the internal/glcore.h header
[19:15:31] <sakoman_> the older mesa 7.0.2 package does include it
[19:17:02] <koen> hmmm
[19:17:40] <SpaceY> well all i need is the movies to be played on a 7" to 8" screen
[19:18:21] <koen> you'd be better of using angstrom on the beagleboard
[19:18:44] <koen> sakoman_: which xserver version are you building?
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[19:19:33] <SpaceY> the
[19:19:37] <SpaceY> thx koen
[19:19:55] <sakoman_> koen: xserver-xorg_1.5.3.bb
[19:20:32] <sakoman_> Angstrom default
[19:21:10] <sakoman_> I don't override any versions, just use whatever Angstrom wants
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[19:26:47] <koen> hmm
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[19:30:21] <koen> sakoman_: it seems that PE confuses packaged-staging
[19:30:49] <koen> sakoman_: so mesa 0:7.0.2 doesn't get clean when upgrading to mesa 1:7.2
[19:36:57] <koen> sakoman_: which is why Graeme and I weren't seeing the problem
[19:37:00] * koen tests a fix
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[19:46:47] <koen> sakoman_: I pushed a fix that installs the glcore header, could you see if it fixes your problem
[19:48:03] <koen> http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=523eeb1062797a8562446fbefe9413a59540816b
[19:50:18] <sakoman_> koen: will do
[19:50:42] * koen wonders why apps need internal headers
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[20:01:22] <koen> drat
[20:01:31] <koen> opencv wants to run octave to generate the wrappers
[20:02:14] * koen reads up on http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded
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[20:02:36] <Crofton|irssi> a pox on hot headed sdr guys and ti it guys
[20:04:47] <sakoman_> Crofton|irssi: Is that your cat typing again?
[20:04:47] <koen> Crofton|irssi: if someone throws a fit on a 404 I dread to think what happens when codegen chokes on a typo he made
[20:05:56] <Crofton|irssi> :)
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[20:10:42] <Crofton|irssi> He's basically a good guy
[20:10:55] <Crofton|irssi> Everyone has their quirks
[20:13:39] <jkridner|work> Crofton|irssi: did my e-mail go through?
[20:13:43] <koen> wait till he discovers that everything breaks horrible because the javascript can;t have a dot in $PWD
[20:13:45] <jkridner|work> I'm not subscribed.
[20:14:10] <koen> altough I heard that the dot problem is finally getting fixed
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[20:15:33] <Crofton|irssi> jkridner|work: I got one
[20:15:42] <Crofton|irssi> I sent an email
[20:15:51] <Crofton|irssi> I'll try and catch Bob when I can
[20:16:03] <Crofton|irssi> I assume he went to download the tools from a link he had saved
[20:16:10] <koen> too bad it can't be on beagleboard.org/resources
[20:16:16] <Crofton|irssi> agreed
[20:16:29] <Crofton|irssi> somewhere safe :)
[20:16:56] <Crofton|irssi> how do I watch to session 11 in irssi
[20:17:13] <koen> /[B[B /window 11
[20:17:28] <jkridner|work> k, I don't see it on the archive yet.
[20:17:48] <koen> wow
[20:17:51] <koen> new fftw release
[20:17:55] <sakoman_> koen: xorg builds now, so your fix must work :-)
[20:18:04] <koen> sakoman_: great!
[20:18:23] <Crofton|irssi> fftw needs NEON
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[20:35:02] <sakoman_> koen: build is chugging along now -- 4951 of 6866
[20:35:49] <sakoman_> gimp still breaks on amd64, but it builds just fine on my other machine
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[20:36:37] <koen> Crofton|irssi: fftw 3.2 is now in OE
[20:54:20] <sakoman_> koen: gimp seems to be trying to use my host /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h
[20:54:40] <sakoman_> /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
[20:55:04] <sakoman_> argh . . . late for meeting
[20:55:58] <geist> that darn irc always screws up your meetings
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[21:08:24] <calculus> geist: your website says silicon valley hacker... where about are you?
[21:08:41] * calculus moved to the valley in February
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[21:11:04] <geist> sunnyvale
[21:11:58] <ds2> Hmmm
[21:12:09] <calculus> oh, we are practically neighbors.. mountain view
[21:13:52] <geist> it's a pretty nice place
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[21:23:45] <robtow> <---works in Santa Clara; lives in the Santa Cruz mountains.
[21:26:20] <ds2> robtow: SE?
[21:29:01] <robtow> What do you mean by 'SE', ds2?
[21:29:35] <calculus> software engineer(ing)
[21:29:51] * calculus guesses
[21:30:04] <likewise> south east
[21:30:08] * likewise guesses
[21:30:32] <robtow> LOL
[21:30:40] <gmaxwell_> Sexual Entrepreneur?
[21:30:48] <likewise> Santa Cruz mountains sounds like that part of Santa Cruz where there's no surf up.
[21:30:54] <mru> gmaxwell_: best guess so far
[21:31:06] <likewise> part -> side
[21:31:30] <likewise> robtow: Is that near Red Pine/ Wood area?
[21:31:36] <robtow> Santa Cruz is 45 minutes away from where I live - my place is high enought hat we get snow in the winter.
[21:32:06] <robtow> <--lives in a small development tucked inside Castle Rock State Park; in the forest.
[21:32:29] <likewise> I remember taking a rental car and taking the steepy small winding roads in the mountain from the valley to Santa Cruz.
[21:33:03] <robtow> You likely passed nearby, if you took Highway Nine.
[21:33:06] <denix0> likewise: same here
[21:33:16] <robtow> Here is where I live: http://tauzero.com/Rob_Tow/LocusVoci.html
[21:33:22] <ds2> Highway 9 is nice except for the solid fog in the winter
[21:33:26] <denix0> robclark: what about #1?
[21:33:28] <likewise> Big Basin Way
[21:33:46] <denix0> sorry
[21:35:57] <likewise> robtow: impressive bio
[21:36:19] <likewise> robtow: reading about DataCrypt etc. nice.
[21:36:34] <robtow> Thanks.
[21:37:04] <robtow> I've been around Silicon Valley for a while... you get to do a lot of fun stuff in this area!
[21:38:07] <likewise> robtow: hmm, must move there sometime soon :-)
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[21:39:18] <robtow> It's the place where the revolution come from! And there is more to do :-)
[21:40:55] <koen> ames, is that the funky hangar building you can see from the lightrail?
[21:41:19] <robtow> Yes. It's huge (I used to work at NASA Ames, where Hanger One is located).
[21:41:33] <koen> that's why I asked :)
[21:42:44] <zalassi> when I was taking the moffett exit, my friend strongly recommended that I don't accidentally drive towards the hangar <_<;
[21:42:46] <robtow> They used to house the USS Macon in that - a huge blimp, large enough to carry scout biplanes - it was an ariel aircraft carrier.
[21:45:13] <koen> denix0: thanks for fixing git
[21:46:39] <robtow> what was wrong with git?
[21:47:32] <koen> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/233747/
[21:47:55] <denix0> koen: no problem. sorry for that. I only tested 1.5.4 on the target and 1.6.0.4-native
[21:48:18] <koen> denix0: I only noticed because tinderbox stumbled upon it :)
[21:49:09] <robtow> <--has recently been compiling Angstrom for Beagle, using Open Embedded. Got console-image and x11-image to compile. demo-image did not.
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[21:51:10] <Keithamus> Hi, Im interested in the beagle board - but I wonder, is it too low spec to run a qt4 python application?
[21:51:57] <mru> that depends entirely on what the app does
[21:52:28] <Keithamus> nothing too intensive, mostly kde4 widgets with a splash of webkit
[21:52:36] <Keithamus> or rather, qt4 widgets
[21:52:45] <mru> memory could become an issue
[21:52:50] <mru> how much memory does the app use on a pc?
[21:53:08] <Keithamus> it doesnt exist yet - Im planning on building it
[21:53:22] <mru> current boards have 128MB ram
[21:53:37] <Keithamus> ah *scratches head* that would be a problem wouldnt it
[21:53:38] <mru> except 4 prototypes with 256MB
[21:54:08] <Keithamus> i heard some mumblings about a new version with a full usb port, perhaps thatll have 256mb ram?
[21:54:10] <mru> hopefully the 256MB version will make it to production
[21:54:30] <koen> qt4-x11 runs on the beagle
[21:54:40] <mru> there will probably be two versions of the board
[21:54:41] <koen> I ran the mythtv trunk on it
[21:54:49] <koen> which is using qt4-x11
[21:54:57] <Keithamus> wow, if mythtv runs on it then Im safe lol
[21:55:07] <mru> yeah, mythtv is very memory hungry
[21:55:16] <koen> I didn't say that mythtv runs well :)
[21:55:29] <Keithamus> im thinking of a till-pc
[21:55:29] <koen> I should test it again with the xv driver
[21:55:44] <Keithamus> epos, so nothing fancy
[21:55:53] <mru> most of what mythtv does, we do at work in 64MB
[21:56:29] <koen> I suspect you can go down to 32MB if you cpu is fast enough
[21:56:50] <mru> how does cpu speed relate to memory?
[21:57:00] <koen> less buffering needed :)
[21:57:07] <Crofton|irssi> mru: thats because you wrote everything in assembler :)
[21:57:29] <mru> there's hardly any assembler code except the required OS bits
[21:57:43] <mru> it needs to run on nearly a dozen CPU architectures
[21:57:51] <Crofton|irssi> urg
[21:57:54] <Crofton|irssi> that must be fun
[21:58:07] <mru> very
[21:58:19] <koen> jkridner|work: ping
[21:58:26] * mru has developed some skills in finding compiler bugs...
[21:58:35] <Crofton|irssi> :)
[21:58:43] <Keithamus> the 256mb onboard nand, is that faster than SD? Does it support SDHC?
[21:58:46] <Ikarus> mru: change one line, wait for test run .... half an hour later your boss walks in, WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING ? :P
[21:58:54] <koen> at elc2007 someone said "that's as rare as finding a bug in say, ... gcc"
[21:59:14] <mru> lol
[21:59:15] <Ikarus> koen: it's not hard
[21:59:19] <Ikarus> most just aren't killer ones
[21:59:22] * Crofton|irssi found his first compiler bug in 1981 or so
[21:59:25] <koen> Ikarus: http://xkcd.com/303/
[21:59:28] <Crofton|irssi> we worked around it
[21:59:53] * Ikarus has a few bugs in gcc pending where it generates less optimal code then previous versions of gcc
[22:00:06] <koen> that's a regression
[22:00:16] <mru> gcc is full of regressions, especially 4.3
[22:00:21] <Ikarus> koen: actually not quite
[22:00:30] <koen> I was talking about "emitting armv5 isns when saying -mcpu=arm920t"
[22:00:36] <Ikarus> koen: it produces different less optimal code then even older version of gcc
[22:00:59] <koen> I keep meaning to try llvm as gcc backend
[22:01:52] <mru> reported results with llvm range from "disaster" to "beats gcc"
[22:02:14] <Ikarus> koen: urgh, good luck on getting any performance out of it with as much cache and a pipeline as deep as on most modern CPUs...
[22:02:32] <koen> Ikarus: as gcc backend, not as jit
[22:02:51] <Ikarus> koen: ah, k
[22:03:06] <Ikarus> because even as jit it works as a gcc backend essentially
[22:03:15] <Ikarus> or well, can work
[22:03:47] <koen> when running as gcc backend it behaves like gcc, but can do things like link time optimizations
[22:04:12] <koen> the only result is a faster binary, not a binary that depends on the llvm jit at runtime
[22:04:46] <mru> except when it results in a crashing binary
[22:05:12] <koen> although I suspect that switching to clang would be more fun that using llvm-gcc
[22:05:21] <koen> mru: I have gcc csl to do that for me :)
[22:06:01] <mru> speaking of which, has anyone tried out the latest csl version?
[22:06:28] <koen> I added it to OE some people with less restraint than me can try it
[22:06:34] <ldesnogu_> mru, was it fully stable for you?
[22:06:49] <mru> ffmpeg runs
[22:07:11] <ldesnogu_> even with vectorization?
[22:07:30] <mru> it doesn't do any vectorisation worth mentioning
[22:07:49] <mru> only the odd vldr/vstr
[22:07:55] <ldesnogu_> so no buggy vectorization either :)
[22:08:07] <ldesnogu_> I will give it a try then
[22:08:08] <mru> my old test passes
[22:08:10] <Crofton|irssi> no, we can do that slowly by hand
[22:08:19] <Crofton|irssi> with bear skins and stone knives
[22:08:23] <Crofton|irssi> like the old days
[22:08:25] <ldesnogu_> :)
[22:08:51] <mru> some code in ffmpeg is trivial to vectorise
[22:08:52] * ldesnogu_ imagines mru in his cave
[22:09:45] <ldesnogu_> does llvm support ARM now?
[22:09:57] <mru> like averaging 8xN blocks of bytes
[22:10:58] <koen> ldesnogu_: It has done for 2 years now
[22:11:16] <ldesnogu_> koen, yes I was thinking of the JIT, which doesn't support ARM
[22:11:19] <koen> ldesnogu_: indt wrote it in late 2005 or so
[22:12:00] <koen> ldesnogu_: I'll start caring for the JIT once I need it for mesa
[22:12:21] <koen> ldesnogu_: and that means imgtec is going to need a gallium3d driver
[22:12:22] <ldesnogu_> isn't gallium3d independent of LLVM?
[22:12:42] <koen> AIUI it can use mesa-llvm as a jit to optimize shaders and stuff
[22:12:59] <koen> integrate software fallbacks and such
[22:13:21] <ldesnogu_> I wonder if there are many sw fallbacks for OpenGL ES 2.0
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[22:13:55] <ldesnogu_> and imgtec already does some heavy optims on their shaders it seems
[22:14:32] <koen> http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/11/gallium3d-llvm.html
[22:16:23] <ldesnogu_> koen, well 10x speedup versus sw rendering I guess
[22:16:59] <ldesnogu_> how that is applicable to hw that already fully supports OpenGL ES 2.0 remains to be seen
[22:17:06] <koen> I think they mean 10x speed over their original shader generation tool
[22:17:27] <koen> so they are pushing more optimal code into the gpu
[22:18:37] <ldesnogu_> hum that would mean they have an llvm back end for the gpu?
[22:18:54] <ldesnogu_> or you mean the host can push 10x more to the hw?
[22:19:22] <koen> their shader code pushed to the gpu sucks less
[22:19:48] <ldesnogu_> so that'd mean an LLVM back end for the gpu
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[22:20:21] <RobotGuy> Are the Rev C boards close to release?
[22:20:49] <prpplague> RobotGuy: not till late q1 iirc
[22:21:29] * RobotGuy sighs
[22:21:38] <RobotGuy> Maybe someday I will get my robot operational again.
[22:23:11] <geist> not much of a robotguy without a robot, eh?
[22:23:28] <mru> maybe he *is* a robot
[22:23:46] <mru> robots building robots! run for the hills!
[22:24:02] <geist> beagle would make a nice little robot brain
[22:24:11] <geist> guess usb host would be also quite nice for that too
[22:24:11] <RobotGuy> geist: Very true. Maybe I will do smaller robots for awhile, that don't require so much I/O and processing. I really want a good and fast Linux based board though.
[22:24:39] <RobotGuy> geist: Yes, I think it would. I'll have to look again at the differences between rev b and rev c.
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[22:25:27] <RobotGuy> I really need USB Host for what I want to do.
[22:25:49] <koen> musb host works
[22:26:25] <geist> did the kinks get worked out?
[22:26:28] <koen> on all revs
[22:26:57] <geist> musb generally makes me a sad panda, but it can technically be coerced into working
[22:27:18] <koen> the problems I have with usb devices aren't musb's fault anymore
[22:27:30] <koen> I'm hitting x86isms in the drivers themselves
[22:28:00] <koen> e.g. dvb dma handling
[22:28:04] <koen> anyway
[22:28:08] <koen> time for some zzzzzzs
[22:28:49] <Keithamus> thanks for your help guys
[22:28:52] <Keithamus> been most informative
[22:28:57] <likewise> koen: sleep tight
[22:29:09] * likewise goes to crash also. cya
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[22:33:28] <denix0> koen: don't let the nightbug bite :)
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[22:35:13] <Crofton|irssi> don't let the nightclubs bite
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[22:37:15] <RobotGuy> Is there a Beagle Board Developer's website? I am looking for what I need to create software for Beagle.
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[22:40:16] * prpplague points RobotGuy at the topic
[22:40:43] <RobotGuy> I don't see what I need there.
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[22:41:07] <RobotGuy> Not at beagleboard.org anyways
[22:41:09] <prpplague> RobotGuy: what is it you need?
[22:41:55] <RobotGuy> I'm looking for how to setup to develop for Beagle. There seems to be a lot of options.
[22:42:38] <prpplague> RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
[22:43:16] <RobotGuy> Ah, now that looks useful. :) Thanks.
[22:57:13] <Crofton|irssi> anyone running OE on RHEL4?
[22:57:25] <Crofton|irssi> I'm stuck trying to install help2man?
[22:58:48] <ldesnogu_> Crofton|irssi, I used CentOS 5.2 (derivative of RHEL)
[22:59:20] <ldesnogu_> help2man rings a bell, but I basically had to install dozens of things, through RPM or when not available from source...
[22:59:38] <ldesnogu_> so that's doable
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[23:01:25] <Crofton|irssi> We managed to find a third party help2man rpm
[23:01:31] <RobotGuy> I'm running Kubuntu 8.10 here now.
[23:01:36] <Crofton|irssi> everything else was ok
[23:01:42] <Crofton|irssi> after we added epel
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[23:20:18] <denix0> Crofton|irssi: do you check #oe after asking there? :) people still trying to help you there...
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[23:31:31] <_altered> BeagleBoard.org Latest News link: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/angstrom-powers-pico-dlp-demonstration leads to: Access denied
[23:32:38] <ds2> I disagree with that wording ;)
[23:32:58] <ds2> there is at least one other pico dlp setup that is not using angstrom ;)
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