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  • [00:23:22] <dcordes_> yes definetly the same problem on sharp zaurus. it's a problem on the driver side. please ignore
  • [00:29:18] <nathanm> dcordes_: I think Koen had this problem and a workaround was posted.
  • [00:30:42] <dcordes_> nathanm, thanks for the hint. I will search the beagle mailing list
  • [00:30:47] <nathanm> adcordes_: Check this out -- and look at the thread:
  • [00:30:55] <nathanm> dcordes_: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=122342215919985&w=2
  • [00:32:21] <dcordes_> nathanm, nice, looks very similar to my bug
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  • [00:38:43] <dcordes_> nathanm, it was posted in january. seems like many machines/devices are affected
  • [00:38:50] <dcordes_> I will reply to that thread when I tried the patch
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  • [00:52:43] <dcordes_> nathanm, unfortunately this patch is against dvb specific code I don't use for the em28xx. maybe the same function is affected though
  • [00:54:01] <dcordes_> mabye Dr. Billy V. Koen can help :)
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  • [01:23:08] <jkridner|work> any recent updates to the Angstrom kernel image and l-o that might help with USB MSC via the MUSB port?
  • [01:24:04] <jkridner|work> uImage on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ is still back on September 25th.
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  • [01:54:54] <nathanm> jkridner|work: What is the issue? Do you have just a MSC device, or multiple devices on a hub including MSC?
  • [01:55:12] <jkridner> multiple devices on a hub including MSC.
  • [02:04:18] <jkridner|work> nathanm: think this is an issue with the number of devices connected? I currently have 2 hubs (one in my apple keyboard), keyboard, mouse, and network adapter connected.
  • [02:04:27] <jkridner|work> adding an MSC device fails.
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  • [02:52:36] <nathanm> jkridner|work: Yeah, there is a known problem with MUSB multiplexing. Ajay has a patch for that. It's not in the official Open Embedded yet, but Koen's test kernels have included it for a week or two.
  • [02:52:56] <jkridner> where do I pick up his test kernels?
  • [02:52:59] <nathanm> jkridner|work: Basically, if you can unplug everything _but_ the MSC, and then the problem disappears, you know that's what it was.
  • [02:53:55] <jkridner> yes, that worked.
  • [02:54:15] <jkridner> I got an automounted /media/sda1.
  • [02:54:40] <jkridner> plugging in the keyboard afterwords still works as well.
  • [02:55:03] <nathanm> That sounds consistent with the bug.
  • [02:55:06] <jkridner> I don't see the test builds in any of the usual suspect locations.
  • [02:55:20] <nathanm> Here are Koen's latest (that I know of): http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/uImage-2.6.26+2.6.27-rc7+r14+gite1c49d7d22af768188e2a54c167ed79919361e55-r14-beagleboard.bin
  • [02:55:25] <nathanm> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/modules-2.6.26+2.6.27-rc7+r14.1+gite1c49d7d22af768188e2a54c167ed79919361e55-r14.1-beagleboard.tgz
  • [02:55:32] <nathanm> One file is uImage, the other are the associated modules.
  • [02:55:59] <nathanm> If you're building your own kernel, you can find his patches here: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/linux
  • [02:56:13] <nathanm> http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/linux/linux-omap;h=e56ed500ba61ea636a2dd14ada76821320fb5eb8;hb=HEAD
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  • [03:35:24] <hex4def6> Hi; I'm just starting out with the BeagleBoard, and one thing I'm not completely clear about is the difference between the Codesourcery toolchain, and the OpenEmbedded enviroment. Anybody help clarify this for me?
  • [03:36:24] <ds2> one is a build environment, the other is a tool chain only
  • [03:36:41] <hex4def6> so the OE enviro contains its own toolchain?
  • [03:36:49] <ZeZu> one is probably entirely gnu and the other is partially proprietary as well isn't it?
  • [03:36:52] <ds2> I think OE enviro uses the CS tool chain
  • [03:37:07] <ds2> CS is based on GCC
  • [03:39:13] <hex4def6> So, if I wanted to duplicate the Angstrom Demo, I'd begin with http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit, get OE all setup, and then...?
  • [03:39:15] <ZeZu> damn i meant to get another null modem cable
  • [03:39:39] <ZeZu> and another rs232->db9 :|
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  • [03:46:31] <ds2> #@%@#$%@%$@#$#@$@#$ U-boot repo is borq
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  • [04:25:14] <jkridner|work> ds2: which repo are you going to?
  • [04:25:29] <jkridner|work> sakoman's u-boot is best option today, I believe.
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  • [04:45:27] <ds2> jkridner|work: sakoman's of course
  • [04:45:55] <ds2> looks like there were change for CFG_... to CONFIG_SYS_... but they were not done for the OMAP boards
  • [04:46:03] <ds2> got to compile but not boot
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  • [05:29:14] <ds2> okay enough updated u-boot
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  • [06:54:33] <zuh> koen: http://iki.fi/zuh/ofbxv.avi <- some basic rectangular clipping is now working on N800, though it's a bit hackish and flickery
  • [06:55:34] <zuh> Managed to get it working without rounding down so much too, and using upscaling to fill the gaps. I should look into doing that for the generic code path too
  • [06:59:12] <koen> nice!
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  • [07:09:53] * koen looks at git tree
  • [07:09:58] <zuh> it's not there
  • [07:10:23] <zuh> and the that stuff is in N800-specific code anyway...
  • [07:10:52] <zuh> I didn't want to repeat the "oh lets just push this quickly before going to bed" mistake again ;)
  • [07:10:56] <koen> :)
  • [07:18:52] <zuh> If I'm not in a hurry to go home this afternoon, I'll try to fix some things on the beagle too.
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  • [12:29:12] <nabax> hi all!
  • [12:29:24] <nabax> i finally got my mini-A to mini-B cable :D
  • [12:29:41] <nabax> i sense a nerd afternoon
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  • [13:02:46] <Crofton> with the cable ...
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  • [13:10:35] <nabax> with the cable i can finally connect my usb hub, so i have a keyboard and a mouse and so on
  • [13:10:38] <nabax> kinda useful x'D
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  • [13:22:09] * chakie_work will try to get one of these working with a beagle: http://www.mini-box.com/PicoLCD-4X20-Sideshow
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  • [13:32:51] <Crofton> koen, I saw a dsplink commit flash by
  • [13:35:59] <sakoman> hey Crofton!
  • [13:36:26] <Crofton> gm
  • [13:36:39] <Crofton> it is much warmer in Phoenix
  • [13:36:41] <sakoman> in the Pacific time zone?
  • [13:36:47] <Crofton> sort of
  • [13:36:51] <Crofton> Arizona
  • [13:36:55] <sakoman> yeah, really nice weather lately
  • [13:36:57] <Crofton> which is same as you
  • [13:37:36] <sakoman> I've been in OE hell for a couple of days
  • [13:37:37] <Crofton> yesterday was a very long day
  • [13:37:45] <Crofton> up at 0315 eastern time
  • [13:37:47] <Crofton> to get here
  • [13:38:05] <sakoman> nice place to live?
  • [13:38:21] <sakoman> hotel or extended stay?
  • [13:38:44] <Crofton> hotel
  • [13:38:45] <Crofton> ok
  • [13:38:50] <Crofton> not great
  • [13:38:56] <Crofton> bed is ok
  • [13:39:02] <Crofton> I fly back on Sat
  • [13:39:08] <Crofton> then come back in Nov
  • [13:39:14] <sakoman> That' fast!
  • [13:39:29] <sakoman> How long in November?
  • [13:39:34] <Crofton> I need to be at a conference next week
  • [13:39:42] <sakoman> Ah
  • [13:39:47] <Crofton> we need to be done before thanksgiving
  • [13:40:04] <sakoman> Every time I try to build from the new OE git repo it takes down my machine
  • [13:40:14] <Crofton> ?
  • [13:40:23] <Crofton> I did a build last night and it was ok
  • [13:40:24] <sakoman> Starts building gcc and goes into swap hell
  • [13:40:27] <Crofton> on my laptop
  • [13:41:10] <nabax> uhm anybody got song to work in aangstrom?
  • [13:41:47] <sakoman> It's done it twice now. If I run system monitor I can watch it slowly eat all available swap and then become completely unresponsive
  • [13:41:59] <Crofton> hmmm
  • [13:42:14] <sakoman> both times during the gcc build
  • [13:42:17] <Crofton> I can do a pull and build today
  • [13:42:26] <Crofton> and see what happens
  • [13:42:48] <Crofton> although I do not want to beat up the laptop
  • [13:42:58] <Crofton> I broke inbound ssh at home right b4 I left
  • [13:43:01] <sakoman> I understand!
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  • [13:50:47] <ewerw> hi I tried to build angstrom with x11-image just now but it fails to compile this package: package gtk+-2.14.2-r1.1
  • [13:51:47] <ewerw> i used the same conf as I used for base-image which I could build successfully
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  • [13:59:45] <nabax> well i'll try the last build to check if sound has been fixed
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  • [14:02:11] <koen> Crofton: yeah, roger is sitting next to me
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  • [14:09:26] <Crofton> be sure to remind him about the 128M case
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  • [14:09:47] <Crofton> I am off to work in a bit
  • [14:09:55] <Crofton> hard to get on irc at contractor rates :)
  • [14:10:51] <koen> we want to get it to build first :)
  • [14:11:28] <Crofton> good start
  • [14:12:26] <jkridner|work> ds2: did you use the common branch?
  • [14:13:29] <emeb> Crofton: you in Scottsdale today?
  • [14:14:11] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:14:16] <Crofton> got in yesterday AM
  • [14:16:33] <emeb> Ah - nice & warm.
  • [14:17:08] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:17:12] <Crofton> time for food and work
  • [14:17:26] <emeb> later
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  • [14:22:16] <nabax> anybody using angstrom here?
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  • [14:34:30] <jkridner> I use it on occasion.
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  • [14:38:28] <sandy|work> any good starting point for power management?
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  • [14:41:16] <jkridner> there's quite a bit of power management code on omapzoom.org.
  • [14:41:26] <nabax> jkridner and do you know any workaround for the sound problem?
  • [14:42:16] <jkridner> I haven't tried the latest kernel yet. There were links given to the latest build with patches just last night.
  • [14:44:33] <nabax> wow
  • [14:44:42] <nabax> ok I gues I should wait for a while then :)
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  • [14:46:18] <nabax> thx
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  • [14:52:19] <sandy|work> sorry, got dc
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  • [15:03:34] <nabax> sandy: dc?
  • [15:03:47] <Spexius> disconnected
  • [15:04:36] <sandy|work> yeah disconnected
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  • [15:04:59] <sandy|work> anyone working on power management in here?
  • [15:05:34] * Spexius is just a guest.
  • [15:05:58] <sandy|work> what is the status of pm support in linux-omap git tree?
  • [15:06:19] <sandy|work> trying to understand pm support howto use it and test
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  • [15:11:23] <jkridner|work> there is more power management code in the omapzoom.org tree. lots of clean-up required to go to linux-omap.
  • [15:11:35] <jkridner|work> there is some power management in linux-omap though.
  • [15:12:18] <jkridner|work> ds2: I'm seeing sakoman's u-boot tree fail to build even.
  • [15:12:28] <jkridner|work> I must be doing something wrong.
  • [15:12:56] <jkridner|work> I'm using 93306efc0267a17d52e48c06641a17006015b482
  • [15:13:23] <jkridner|work> I think I may have switched branches wrong.
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  • [15:15:26] <sandy|work> okay. right now i dont want to look into the code. want to understand the basics
  • [15:15:32] <jkridner|work> did: git checkout fb479d0418bc7c15d63a131beedbc6f1970fc295
  • [15:15:36] <jkridner|work> seems to be working better now.
  • [15:15:55] <jkridner|work> first had to do: git pull origin common
  • [15:16:03] <jkridner|work> I'm sure there is a better way.
  • [15:16:36] <jkridner|work> I really don't understand all of the implications of branching within a git tree at this point.
  • [15:18:00] <sakoman> jkridner|work: git checkout --track -b common origin/common
  • [15:18:22] <sakoman> that will create a local clone of the common branch
  • [15:18:22] <jkridner|work> can you break that down for me a bit?
  • [15:18:43] <jkridner|work> do normal 'git pull' updates work?
  • [15:18:53] <sakoman> yes
  • [15:19:01] <sakoman> so first clone in the normal way
  • [15:19:22] <sakoman> then create a local common branch with the above command
  • [15:19:43] <jkridner|work> k, so --track tells git to always pull that branch information?
  • [15:19:44] <sakoman> which will also get you working in the common branch
  • [15:19:53] <jkridner|work> k.
  • [15:19:59] <sakoman> then just do a git pull when you want an update
  • [15:20:25] <sakoman> there shouldn't be any though, since the code will be upstream "Real Soon Now"
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  • [15:20:48] <jkridner|work> k, so this is handy in that I also have on my machine a copy of the denx.de tree?
  • [15:20:54] <sakoman> We are trying to avoid any changes till the upstream merge is complete
  • [15:21:01] <jkridner|work> so, soon I'll be able to switch back to the master branch?
  • [15:21:27] <sakoman> yes, if you want the regulare denx tree, just 'git checkout master'
  • [15:21:43] <jkridner|work> I just need to hack-up a version that will boot from SD no matter what is on the flash.
  • [15:21:44] <sakoman> and git checkout common to return
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  • [15:22:52] <jkridner|work> thanks. The two new bits of info for me were that 'checkout' can be used to pull down branch information and that '--track' will cause it to repeatedly do so.
  • [15:22:58] <jkridner|work> hopefully I understood that.
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  • [15:28:45] <sakoman> jkridner|work: the checkout command just uses an option to create a local tracking branch of the upstream common branch
  • [15:29:00] <sakoman> that way when you do a pull it will do the right thing
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  • [15:29:55] <jkridner|work> isn't there an option to track all upstream branches?
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  • [15:34:55] <sakoman> jkridner|work: you need to create local branches for any upstream branches you are interested in
  • [15:35:05] <jkridner|work> k
  • [15:35:24] <sakoman> not typically a big deal since there are usually only one or two you care about
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  • [15:39:22] <dirk2> sakoman: There was a report about CFG vs CONFIG issue http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2008-10-21#T04:45:55
  • [15:41:30] <dirk2> sakoman: But looking at your git, common is the old one, and master is up to date. But master shouldn't contain any OMAP3 stuff, so everything seems to be fine. People should use common. Can't understand above yet...
  • [15:41:58] <sakoman> me either, unless they were trying to use the overo branch
  • [15:42:16] <sakoman> which I am in the middle of updating with the CONFIG changes
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  • [15:43:22] <dirk2> sakoman: Ah, yes, this makes sense. For upstream patches, wolfgang asked me to release the patches against arm-next, so I did this already ;)
  • [15:43:50] <sakoman> I'm looking forward to them being accepted!
  • [15:44:32] <dirk2> Me too! Actually, we prepare v5 ;(
  • [15:44:52] <sakoman> A painful process!
  • [15:45:00] <sakoman> I appreciate your efforts!
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  • [15:46:16] <dirk2> Seems you can always find space/tab/formatting issues. But Jean-Christophe mentioned he has some interest in Beagle, so I have still some hope ;)
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  • [15:52:00] <sakoman> dirk2: yeah, amazing how much energy gets put into whitespace and other formatting issues
  • [15:54:25] * koen just wasted 15 minutes on a makefile dealing with tabs v spaces
  • [15:56:42] <nabax> anyone got luck installing debian for arm in the beagle?
  • [15:57:35] <koen> blech, debian on arm
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  • [16:07:36] <koen> hey kergoth
  • [16:07:46] <kergoth> hey
  • [16:07:47] <denix> kergoth: gm
  • [16:08:15] <kergoth> figured i might pick up a beagle, seems like a good way to get back into the hobby
  • [16:08:16] <kergoth> heh
  • [16:08:32] <koen> it's a neat toy
  • [16:08:47] * kergoth is amazed at how cheap arm development environments can be nowadays
  • [16:08:51] <koen> provided you have a hdmi capable TV/screen :)
  • [16:09:40] <nabax> and some other thinks actually x'D
  • [16:09:46] <denix> koen: why hdmi? I use dvi...
  • [16:10:51] <koen> smaller connector :)
  • [16:11:01] * koen uses dvi as well
  • [16:11:05] <denix> kergoth: have you decided to get involved with oe again? :)
  • [16:11:12] <koen> denix: small progress on getting link to build :)
  • [16:11:20] <kergoth> heh, i've been thinking about it for the past year or two :P motivation keeps wavering though
  • [16:11:41] <denix> koen: I've seen some of your commits lately
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  • [16:11:59] <kergoth> lately i keep getting annoyed with aspects of oe & bitbake, tempted to try doing something new, similar but different.. but thatd require a lot more motivation than i have just now
  • [16:12:21] <pbrook> nabax: I'm running Debian armel on the beagle. Didn't need to do anything special, it mostly just works.
  • [16:12:37] <nabax> pbrook: including sound?
  • [16:12:43] <pbrook> Yes.
  • [16:12:45] <denix> kergoth: I know the feeling. I blame it on me getting older... :)
  • [16:12:58] <pbrook> Obviously you need to build your own kernel, and you don't get an installer.
  • [16:13:06] <nabax> uhm
  • [16:13:09] <nabax> any guide about it?
  • [16:13:13] <koen> time for food
  • [16:13:29] <nabax> i mean, downloading the iso and trying to dump it to the SD card would be a loss of time i guess, right?
  • [16:14:03] <pbrook> nabax: debootstrap --foreign
  • [16:14:33] <nabax> uhm
  • [16:15:00] <pbrook> There's also some bits in the install manual about installing from an existing system. --foreign allows you to do all the downloading bits on a random debian machine, then finalize the install on the target.
  • [16:15:09] <nabax> nice tool :D
  • [16:15:21] <nabax> i didn't know it
  • [16:15:29] <nabax> gonna try it right away
  • [16:15:47] <kergoth> denix: same, in a way. priorities change. care more about relaxing in other ways than code, more about family & friends than career and OSS. doubt i'd want to spend an extra 15-20 hours a week on oss above and beyond coding at work, the way i did when i was just starting oz and learning about everything
  • [16:15:55] <kergoth> heh
  • [16:16:07] <nabax> pbrook: just got dbootstrap
  • [16:16:40] <nabax> now, can i do this from my debian laptop?
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  • [16:16:49] <nabax> or i need to do it from the beagle itself?
  • [16:17:51] <denix> kergoth: well said :)
  • [16:18:57] <nabax> pbrook: option --foreign doesn't exist in debootstrap o_O'
  • [16:19:02] <nabax> at least not in mine o_O'
  • [16:21:38] <nabax> just did debootstrap -a armel etch usbdisk
  • [16:21:58] <nabax> but i think it didn't exactly work... it only created the var dir
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  • [16:26:34] <sweetlilmre> koen: if you are around: I built a recepie that depends on virtual/libsdl and libsdl-net, however when I add it to IMAGE_INSTALL, libsdl-net does not appear in the final image (even if I RDEPENDS in the recepie). Do you know why?
  • [16:29:57] <suihkulokki> nabax, pbrook: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
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  • [16:32:04] <nabax> suihkulokki: thanks :)
  • [16:32:09] <nabax> checking it right now
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  • [16:33:59] <ds2> sakoman: the elinux.org instructions are no longer valid for your repo?
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  • [16:44:00] <sakoman> ds2: I have no idea! I didn't write them
  • [16:44:05] <nabax> suihkulokki: qemu kinda freezes and doesn't really do anything... :(
  • [16:44:12] <sakoman> you should use the common branch
  • [16:44:16] <dirk2> ds2: I'm not sure about the 'git pull origin common'. You can try 'git checkout origin/common'.
  • [16:45:49] <ds2> hmmm
  • [16:50:33] <sakoman> after the initial clone: git checkout --track -b common origin/common
  • [16:50:56] <ds2> what is the difference between common and master?
  • [16:51:06] <kergoth> pretty sure --track is default nowadays with recent git
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  • [16:51:12] <ds2> other then master having the latest commits
  • [16:51:46] <ds2> and that master doesn't compile without redoing a lot of the CFG to CONFIG_SYS_ stuff
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  • [17:02:29] <dirk2> ds2: that master should be a copy/clone of mainline master. And as mainline master doesn't have OMAP3 yet, this master shouldn't, too (not sure).
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  • [17:03:23] <dirk2> ds2: Does 'git pull origin common' work for you? Or did you ignore this?
  • [17:04:47] <ds2> dirk2: it works as in it did not error out. but it had a lot of recent changes; to get it to compile I had to do the CONFIG_SYS_ conversions for the OMAP3 stuff
  • [17:04:50] <sakoman> dirk2: correct -- master is a clone of the upstream repo and is updated hourly
  • [17:05:21] <sakoman> I forze the common branch about a month ago when you began the upstream submission
  • [17:05:25] <sakoman> froze :-)
  • [17:05:35] <ds2> dirk2: the git pull origin common should have merged in the changes for omap3 on top of the master branch I take it?
  • [17:06:14] <sakoman> ds2: If I were you would just stick with basing your work off of the common branch for now
  • [17:06:15] <ds2> sakoman: oh you did? ack... then what needs to happen is a checkout origin/common; if I understand it right
  • [17:06:44] <sakoman> yes, just use the command I gave above
  • [17:06:50] <ds2> sakoman: I was just trying to follow the official posted instructions
  • [17:07:09] <ds2> I got another u-boot.bin; I'll try it later
  • [17:07:19] <ds2> I got master to build and that SEEMS to work
  • [17:07:23] <sakoman> I didnt post the instructions, so I can't vouch for them
  • [17:07:30] <ds2> sakoman: regardless, ignore my mail
  • [17:07:39] <sakoman> OK :-)
  • [17:08:00] <ds2> sakoman: unless you want to try the fixed up stuff on master right now ;)
  • [17:08:25] <sakoman> ds2: I'm doing that on the overo branch, but it is not complete yet
  • [17:08:39] <dirk2> I wrote the instructions and like to know what you think is wrong with them.
  • [17:08:47] <jkridner|work> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-is-now-open-source.html
  • [17:09:06] <ds2> sakoman: is overo not cloneable?
  • [17:09:13] <dirk2> As mentioned, except 'git pull origin common' I think its fine?
  • [17:09:30] <ds2> dirk2: I think the pull is wrong; you are doing a merge on to the latest code which is not buildable w/o some changes
  • [17:09:40] <ds2> I made it build
  • [17:09:45] <sakoman> ds2: you could do a similar command to get the overo branch, but it is broken at the moment due to the CONFIG stuff
  • [17:10:07] <ds2> sakoman: I don't see it in a git branch -a
  • [17:10:40] <jkridner|work> http://android.kernel.org/
  • [17:11:20] <dirk2> ds2: Do you think replacing 'git pull origin common' with 'git checkout origin/master' will do it?
  • [17:11:41] <ds2> dirk2: based on what I hear from sakoman, yep.
  • [17:12:28] <sakoman> ds2: you have to do 'git checkout --track -b overo origin/overo' to see the overo branch
  • [17:12:52] <dirk2> ds2: Done
  • [17:13:47] <ds2> sakoman: that doesn't work
  • [17:13:49] <sakoman> dirk2: I recommend folks do a standard clone of the repo and then: git checkout --track -b common origin/common
  • [17:14:03] <ds2> git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing
  • [17:14:03] <ds2> Did you intend to checkout 'origin/overo' which can not be resolved as commit?
  • [17:14:35] <jkridner|work> Given http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP, I would expect someone to try to get something going on Beagle fairly quickly.
  • [17:15:44] <jkridner|work> When someone does, I'll be looking for them to create a project entry on http://beagleboard.org/project.
  • [17:16:15] <dirk2> ... and please update http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP then ;)
  • [17:18:20] <felipec> hmm, there's some OpenGL code in there (android)
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  • [17:20:54] <garren> hi all
  • [17:21:07] <florian> hi garren
  • [17:22:33] <jkridner|work> felipec: ah yes. Well, I can still do individual releases of 3D graphics drivers for people working on critical ports.
  • [17:22:46] <jkridner|work> the libraries are getting closer to release.
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  • [17:27:16] <felipec> jkridner|work: for release you mean open source release?
  • [17:27:34] <jkridner|work> public.
  • [17:27:47] <jkridner|work> kernel portions open source, but still a binary blob in user space.
  • [17:28:01] <felipec> jkridner|work: well, that's something
  • [17:28:12] <jkridner|work> existence of click-wrap is still a point of contention.
  • [17:28:23] <jkridner|work> I'd like to see it avoided.
  • [17:28:50] <vlad_> I wonder why my usb ethernet adapter reports link-up every second or so
  • [17:28:52] <jkridner|work> the current distribution I have is difficult to move between kernels and has click-wrap for the whole thing.
  • [17:28:53] <vlad_> no link downs
  • [17:29:08] <jkridner|work> vlad_: power management?
  • [17:29:32] <felipec> jkridner|work: the same things is happening for the dsp, so I guess there will be clickwrap
  • [17:29:32] <vlad_> not sure -- how can I check?
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  • [17:30:13] <jkridner|work> I've never debugged power management.
  • [17:30:21] <jkridner|work> you can try setting nohz=off
  • [17:30:46] <vlad_> yeah, already have nohz=off =/
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  • [17:34:17] <jkridner|work> so, my guess was wrong.
  • [17:34:41] <ds2> vlad_: what chip/driver?
  • [17:35:07] <vlad_> ASIX ax88772
  • [17:35:44] <ds2> do you see anything else besides the link ups?
  • [17:35:55] <vlad_> nope, just a stream of link ups (about 2 per second)
  • [17:35:57] <ds2> like messages about the USB subsystem trying something and failing
  • [17:36:05] <vlad_> yeah, nothing
  • [17:36:09] <ds2> what are you looking at for the linkups?
  • [17:36:17] <vlad_> dmesg
  • [17:36:25] <vlad_> (time from /var/log/messages)
  • [17:36:57] <ds2> what kernel?
  • [17:37:23] <vlad_> 2.6.27-rc3 (g95e1f4e)
  • [17:37:47] <ds2> hmm
  • [17:40:27] <vlad_> this might be a driver bug
  • [17:40:36] <vlad_> the link light on the actual device is blinking along with packets
  • [17:40:53] <vlad_> so I wonder if it's misinterpreting that as link status events
  • [17:43:07] <gregoiregentil> Hello Koen! Can you tell us which patch(es) has(ve) been applied to fix the 16bpp performance problem in Firefox 3? Is it in Cairo or in Firefox?
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  • [17:59:26] <felipec> mru: http://android.kernel.org/?p=platform/bionic.git;a=blob;f=libc/arch-arm/bionic/memcpy.S;h=f6e4a7d9bc992f5c7275fa4ccdd0d7ecb9b12f14;hb=master
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  • [18:17:43] <dirk2> MontaVista Vision videos and presentations: http://www.mvista.com/download/topic.php?t=18
  • [18:19:04] <dirk2> For William Mills video (we talked about yesterday) seems you have to 'register', but presentations can be downloaded freely
  • [18:20:08] <dirk2> William Mills' presentation: http://www.mvista.com/download/fetchdoc.php?docid=323
  • [18:20:45] <dirk2> Jason's presentation: http://www.mvista.com/download/fetchdoc.php?docid=333
  • [18:22:21] <denix> that's strange they require registration vor video materials. maybe videos are not ready yet...
  • [18:23:15] <dirk2> denix: No gmail addresses possible...
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  • [18:26:40] <ds2> dirk2: is mine on there?
  • [18:27:12] <ds2> dirk2: I don't see it on the main URL, what's needed to get a full list?
  • [18:27:32] <dirk2> ds2: PPP Debugging?
  • [18:27:37] <jkridner|work> Are the ARM Dev Con presentations out there?
  • [18:27:44] <ds2> dirk2: yeah, that'd me be
  • [18:28:00] <dirk2> ds2: http://www.mvista.com/download/fetchdoc.php?docid=332
  • [18:28:14] <dirk2> jkridner|work: We are talking about MV vision
  • [18:28:24] <denix> right before Jason
  • [18:28:42] <jkridner|work> sorry to derail.
  • [18:29:40] <ds2> dirk2: yikes. that's the old one
  • [18:29:50] <ds2> dirk2: thanks for finding it.
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  • [18:50:08] <jkridner|work> nice, Android includes drivers for TI WLAN! http://android.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/ti.git;a=blob;f=wpa_supplicant_lib/driver_ti.c;h=2bbd18d4ca340073682ba6e1f4901d3d4726a126;hb=b72686e5bc5ddff02b98a49f239376a59efc5a45
  • [18:56:31] <geist> indeed
  • [18:56:41] <geist> downside is that is a terrible terrible WLAN chip
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  • [18:58:44] <suihkulokki> another driver that has a long road to mainline..
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  • [19:12:26] <zooko> Hey, does anyone know of an embedded computer that comes in a 1U case and drives several SATA hard drives.
  • [19:12:51] <geist> any PC mobo that fits in the case
  • [19:12:58] <geist> would be cheap too
  • [19:13:58] <zooko> Know any companies that will build it for me? Get some nice ARM board, stick it in a 1U case, hook up four internal 3.5" SATA drives...
  • [19:14:30] <swetland> jkridner: say thankyou to the nice folks in the wifi group. we certainly spent a lot of time wrangling with them about open sourcing of all that ^^
  • [19:14:53] <jkridner|work> I'll be looking them up to say thanks!
  • [19:15:21] <geist> zooko: why dont you just put a PC in the case? what is the requirement that it be ARM?
  • [19:17:02] <suihkulokki> zooko: somethinh like: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=103
  • [19:17:23] <geist> or the readynas stuff
  • [19:17:33] <geist> but i think they've moved to x86 in their later stuff
  • [19:17:34] <zooko> geist: that is a good question. I am just investigating whether the ARM would be better in a few ways -- lower power, lower heat, possibly cheaper, etc.
  • [19:17:43] <geist> early on it was a custom sparc chip + SATA
  • [19:17:46] <zooko> It might turn out not to be better.
  • [19:18:07] <geist> trouble is not too many arm socs have SATA support
  • [19:18:21] <geist> i think there are a few custom ones for NAS style stuff
  • [19:18:26] <zooko> So I'm looking at this: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=103
  • [19:18:28] <geist> but not sure they're sold individually
  • [19:18:42] <geist> aside from buying a product and hacking it
  • [19:19:16] <zooko> I'm looking for a price..
  • [19:19:46] <geist> are you justlooking for a NAS solution or do you want to hack something yourself?
  • [19:20:10] <suihkulokki> QNAP is hacker friendly
  • [19:20:22] <zooko> I want to hack something for my company to use.
  • [19:20:28] <geist> ahhh
  • [19:20:30] <zooko> And the most important metric is TB/$.
  • [19:20:36] <zooko> Or let's say $/TB.
  • [19:20:47] <zooko> Currently we can hit about 500 in that metric, using PC x86 servers.
  • [19:21:18] <geist> I doubt any of the nas solutions would be any cheaper, really
  • [19:21:25] <geist> they tend to be a little pricey, IO
  • [19:21:26] <geist> IMO
  • [19:21:40] <geist> you're usually paying for the fact that it's a little box you never have to worry about
  • [19:21:49] <geist> or super reliability, or super easy to set up, etc
  • [19:21:50] <zooko> Yeah.
  • [19:22:07] <zooko> It's interesting. Perhaps there's a market opportunity for someone.
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  • [19:34:43] <jkridner|work> http://www.beaglegame.com/
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  • [19:38:38] <TangerineTriode> cute
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  • [19:38:46] <TangerineTriode> so that's what you look like
  • [19:40:37] <koen> jkridner|work: 2:17
  • [19:40:58] <jkridner|work> on a bad day. ;)
  • [19:42:30] <jkridner|work> wow, someone got 7.8 seconds!
  • [19:42:39] <fulgas> 43 sec
  • [19:42:58] <keesj> jkridner|work: someone must hava used a proxy I guess
  • [19:47:20] <keesj> what kind of people are targeted ?
  • [19:48:10] <jkridner|work> www.embedded.com
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  • [19:53:33] <koen> jkridner|work: yeah, I was trying to compile dsplink in the background :)
  • [19:53:37] <keesj> 11.3!!
  • [19:56:26] <jkridner|work> whoa! I just got 5.2.
  • [19:56:47] <jkridner|work> now I know the game is rigged.
  • [19:57:00] <jkridner|work> I thought you had to find 5 "assets" first.
  • [19:57:12] <jkridner|work> this time I went straight to the board. Maybe it is something about repeating.
  • [19:57:39] <jkridner|work> I was just going back to get a look at the leaderboard.
  • [19:59:30] <koen> roger has left the building
  • [20:04:12] <jkridner|work> hopefully you are no longer hating Link?
  • [20:05:00] <koen> I still am
  • [20:05:02] <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/link.txt
  • [20:05:18] <jkridner|work> that's a lot of environment.
  • [20:05:38] <jkridner|work> ouch, didn't build.
  • [20:05:50] <jkridner|work> calling tconf still I see.
  • [20:05:55] <koen> it errors out in javascript
  • [20:06:13] <koen> and at 10PM both roger and I refused to debug that
  • [20:07:27] <keesj> And it uses some standard amf scripting to sent the score data
  • [20:08:06] <keesj> well it kept me bussy for a while , I guess My kids might like it
  • [20:08:09] <jkridner|work> koen: are the BIOS dependencies on the ARM side as well?
  • [20:08:14] <jkridner|work> I guess for communication purposes?
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  • [20:08:31] <koen> dsplink has arm side stuff
  • [20:08:44] <koen> which compiles fine (apart from the thing I mailed you about)
  • [20:08:58] <koen> I'm seeing lots of improvements over 1.51 in 1.60
  • [20:09:14] <garren> what game is this?
  • [20:09:36] <koen> hmmm
  • [20:09:42] <koen> the angstrom sources have no history
  • [20:09:46] <koen> ehm
  • [20:09:48] <koen> android*
  • [20:10:00] <jkridner|work> they pulled in sources from Angstom?
  • [20:10:06] <keesj> garren: http://www.beaglegame.com/
  • [20:10:23] <koen> jkridner|work: no, I'm tired and make typos
  • [20:10:34] <jkridner|work> ah.
  • [20:10:39] <koen> look at e.g. http://android.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=summary
  • [20:10:47] <jkridner|work> yeah, it depends on the project. some of them have history.
  • [20:11:02] <jkridner|work> but, most of the Google originated code does not.
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  • [20:11:10] <jkridner|work> guess they don't want to show how the sausage is made.
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  • [20:11:20] <garren> anyone looking at getting android working on the Beagleboard now that the source is released?
  • [20:11:40] <koen> my interest is now above sub-zero
  • [20:11:59] <jkridner|work> bgat made a project entry at http://beagleboard.org/project/android, but I don't think he's got any time to work on it in the immediate future.
  • [20:12:12] <jkridner|work> koen: approaching or passing 0?
  • [20:12:34] <jkridner|work> did you look at the 'repo' tool?
  • [20:12:39] <garren> keesj: cool game who wrote it?
  • [20:12:46] <koen> jkridner|work: approaching
  • [20:13:10] <jkridner|work> seems that ARM and Google are drinking the same kool-aide regarding multiple git trees.
  • [20:13:56] <koen> I wonder when someone shows the first android OE recipe
  • [20:14:06] <koen> and I wonder wether it will make me cry or not
  • [20:14:56] <garren> lol, Koen why you not so keen on Android?
  • [20:15:51] <keesj> garren: I don't know , TI I guess
  • [20:15:53] <suihkulokki> http://android.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/ti.git;a=blob;f=sta_dk_4_0_4_32/pform/linux/src/esta_drv.c
  • [20:16:01] * suihkulokki cries already
  • [20:16:43] <koen> garren: android shouted way to much "open" without actually showing sources
  • [20:17:02] <garren> true
  • [20:17:12] <koen> but the sources are their now, so from now on they are allowed to :)
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  • [20:23:15] <jkridner|work> rebuilding u-boot to ignore environment in the flash regarding bootcmd/bootargs/bootdelay. Anyone know how to do that without changing the ability of u-boot to write to the environment area in the flash?
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  • [20:55:25] <garren> when building the kernel distclean removes all old compiled code and old config files?
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  • [20:55:57] <koen> garren: mrproper
  • [20:56:09] <garren> ?
  • [20:56:46] <koen> 'make mrproper' removes binaries and old config files
  • [20:57:12] <mru> hi all
  • [20:57:23] <koen> damn, pico projector is scheduled for january
  • [20:57:36] * koen crosses it of the x-mas shopping list
  • [20:57:37] <garren> ok so what does distclean do?
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  • [21:01:59] <garren> good old google: if "make" built it, "make clean" will delete it. If "./configure" built it, "make distclean" will delete it.
  • [21:02:37] * mru always builds in a separate directory
  • [21:02:55] <mru> if anything built it, rm -rf deletes it
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  • [21:23:20] <garren> cheers all
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  • [21:58:02] <ds2> bah
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