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  • [01:44:24] <Ikarus> Beagle, great little board, but is there a sane way to get at the LCD connection instead of using the DVI-D output ? (I am planning to use it with a seperate TFT panel and to add the converter the otherway on it aswell....)
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  • [01:52:03] <mru> Ikarus: the lcd signals will be accessible on rev C
  • [01:52:49] <Ikarus> mru: WHOOOO :)
  • [01:52:53] <Ikarus> mru: any eta ?
  • [01:53:14] <mru> early next year most likely
  • [01:53:32] <mru> the board layout is supposedly done
  • [01:54:38] <Ikarus> *sigh* :(
  • [01:55:17] <Ikarus> ah well, I'll order a B board for now, the LCD stuff I can temporarily work around I guess
  • [01:55:37] <mru> I'd use a regular dvi monitor for now
  • [01:55:56] <mru> you should be able to get started without the proper display
  • [01:55:56] <Ikarus> well, I need to hook it to a touchscreen of a rather odd resolution
  • [01:56:24] <Ikarus> but I can hijack a DVI-D -> LCD converter from another project
  • [01:56:38] <mru> can't you do something useful without the touchscreen?
  • [01:56:48] <Ikarus> mru: ofcourse
  • [01:57:01] <Ikarus> but the UI is one of the main development points
  • [01:57:12] <Ikarus> anyway, as said, I'll figure something out
  • [01:57:36] <mru> you could do something entirely different...
  • [01:57:59] * mru is still trying to think of something clever to do with two beagles
  • [01:58:44] <Ikarus> I could go mad
  • [01:58:56] <Ikarus> the TFT signals pass through 2 banks of SMD resistors
  • [01:59:01] <Ikarus> I could just hijack those :P
  • [02:01:12] <Ikarus> ah well, I need to see if I can convince the OMAP to drive a 8 channel audio chip hooked up as i2s on the expansion connector
  • [02:01:19] <Ikarus> that is going to be quite enough time and tinkering
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  • [02:03:13] <mru> what sort of audio chip?
  • [02:03:30] <Ikarus> mru: still under evaluation
  • [02:03:46] <mru> just curious
  • [02:04:30] <Ikarus> heh, me aswell tbh :)
  • [02:05:18] <Ikarus> might also hookup a SPI Ethernet controller for fun and giggles, have one of those to spare and will have boardspace over for sure
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  • [02:13:09] <Ikarus> ENC28J60 is quite a cute little chip for it
  • [02:28:47] <ds2> think they pull almost as much power as the beagle itself
  • [02:29:34] <mru> the omap is insanely power-efficient
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  • [07:18:41] <ds2> think I have it narrowed down... ISO buffering is broq
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  • [07:38:43] <ewerw> hi has anyone used the lrzsz library to recieve files on beagleboard through the serial with the help of the minicom?
  • [07:44:41] <ds2> think I tried it with the busybox version
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  • [07:55:46] <ewerw> and how did you manage? I can not make it work, I have rz on beagleboard and I have it on my PC as well but when I give the command on angstrom rz - Z > hello it waits but the minicom can not send a file with zmodem protocol
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  • [08:03:35] <and-ri> one question: how to join this beagle channel with Trillian?
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  • [08:17:38] <gduncan> How do I tell the kernel to set the video mode to be the same as the splash screen? When the kernel inits, my monitor goes haywire. According to monitor, splash screen is 1280x720 43KHz 58Hz.
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  • [11:10:27] <magnet_> hi
  • [11:10:50] <magnet_> wow guys from digikey are very curious.it's like I was buying military stuff :)
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  • [11:14:18] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [11:14:39] <Crofton|work> ITAR, a vague law with criminal penalties
  • [11:15:08] <magnet_> I can understand that.
  • [11:22:47] <Crofton|work> vague laws with criminal penalties
  • [11:22:51] <Crofton|work> bad for business
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  • [11:52:07] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [11:52:13] <Crofton|work> another culture shock
  • [11:52:25] <Crofton|work> a reference to the beagle costing 11K
  • [11:53:26] <Stskeeps> in what, iceland?
  • [11:53:26] <Stskeeps> :P
  • [11:53:53] <Crofton|work> Indian :)
  • [11:53:58] <Crofton|work> I saw usd
  • [11:54:06] <Crofton|work> for a few moments
  • [11:54:30] <adj__> in iceland that would be somewhere around 30k ISK
  • [11:55:49] <kozak> Hey guys sorry for the incomplete reference ... :) thats Rs11K and yes thats still something for a developer to afford
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  • [12:47:08] <AV500> http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/10/13/mini-monitor-needs-only-usb/
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  • [12:59:33] <ewerw> ls
  • [13:00:07] <jbenedetto> ewerw: wrong terminal
  • [13:00:12] <ewerw> :)
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  • [13:00:18] <ewerw> sorry
  • [13:00:31] <ewerw> wrong keyboard
  • [13:01:32] <jbenedetto> haha even better.
  • [13:01:43] * jbenedetto may have done that a few times
  • [13:02:06] <ewerw> :)
  • [13:02:11] <jbenedetto> I once was on the wrong machine and nearly exploded when none of my config changes worked...
  • [13:02:25] <jbenedetto> ...then i realized i was typing on the wrong console.
  • [13:02:47] <Stskeeps> the classic is also the "oh, fuck", when typing "halt" on the wrong session
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  • [13:04:37] <jbenedetto> haha yea
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  • [13:21:51] <Viral_Sachde> Crofton|work : Reference of beagle will cost approx 2.2 M Indonesian rupiahs, ahh ... I need to have millions for it.
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  • [13:22:18] <jbenedetto> wow
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  • [13:26:14] <and-ri> gduncan: the screen resultion is hardcoded in the kernel so far as i know... its difficult to change cause this are HEX numbers
  • [13:28:45] <and-ri> do anybody know a documentation which explain the omap3 specific changes in the linux kernel
  • [13:29:28] <kulve> probably not
  • [13:29:55] <kulve> you can check the kernel sources and I would guess most of the omap3 files are named as omap3-something..
  • [13:30:02] <felipec> and-ri: hex numbers?
  • [13:30:44] <and-ri> hexadecimal
  • [13:31:14] <and-ri> somthing like eg.: 0x00ff0033
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  • [13:31:44] <felipec> and-ri: why is that a problem?
  • [13:32:00] <felipec> and-ri: anyway, the screen resolution is in decimal afaics
  • [13:32:11] <felipec> and-ri: which file are you looking at?
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  • [13:34:20] <and-ri> oh i'm not looking for this problem at this moment, this was only an anwser on gduncan question. i have read this somewhere. this is not a big problem but you need to compile your own kernel with special resultion
  • [13:35:10] <felipec> and-ri: that's true
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  • [13:35:47] <felipec> and-ri: but the whole implementation is going to change anyway... so the interface will too =/
  • [13:35:57] <and-ri> my problem is at the moment that the linux version from http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSourceCode not work and i have to find the reason maybe in the omap doc
  • [13:37:38] <and-ri> if i try too boot the linux from this page, i get a timout after starting the buszBox
  • [13:37:43] <and-ri> BusyBox
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  • [13:55:01] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [13:55:22] <jkridner|work> and-ri: can you share the error message?
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  • [14:01:59] <and-ri> hmm.
  • [14:02:59] <and-ri> jkridner: he said : "starting BusyBox v1.9.0"
  • [14:03:43] <and-ri> and some seconds later: "timeout waiting for frame-done interruption"
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  • [14:07:03] <and-ri> i located the messages int the dir: "2.6_kernel\arch\arm\plat-omap" file "display.c"
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  • [14:07:38] <and-ri> line:1896
  • [14:08:41] <and-ri> (source code from the kernel)
  • [14:09:52] <and-ri> printk(KERN_WARNING "timeout waiting for "
  • [14:09:52] <and-ri> "frame-done interrupt\n");
  • [14:10:50] <and-ri> jkridner: is it what you wanted?
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  • [14:12:15] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hey, quick question, can you confirm that all gpio available on the expansion header can be used as external interrupts?
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  • [14:23:12] <Viral_Sachde> Today, I had opportunity to use Beagle. I download latest image. I wish to play video using omapfbplay. I have following bootargs : 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 noinitrd root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3 rw rootdelay=5 nohz=off video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M' still I got no /dev/fb1. Any suggestions ?
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  • [14:50:40] <felipec> Viral_Sachde: do you have the right kernel config?
  • [14:50:59] <and-ri> jkridner|work: maybe you should know what i did: i have a MMC with two partitions, one is a fat32 bootpartition on which is x-loader(mlo), uboot and Uimage. on the other partition(ext3) is the Linux filesystem with Alsa-libraries
  • [14:51:08] <Viral_Sachde> I think, I able to boot and load linux
  • [14:51:50] <Viral_Sachde> Do you think bootargs are correct ?
  • [14:51:57] <felipec> Viral_Sachde: CONFIG_FB_OMAP_CONSISTENT_DMA_SIZE=6
  • [14:52:19] <Viral_Sachde> Ok I will check that in config file. Thanks.
  • [14:52:24] <and-ri> i connect the beagle to the notebook and insert the mmc in the beagle, then i open MINICOM and starting the beagleboard.
  • [14:54:46] <and-ri> then he boots to the point where he wants to start the BusyBox, after that i receive the message which i mentioned before
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  • [15:06:52] <igor321> with angstrom and TI kernel it's possible to get s-video output, right?
  • [15:07:03] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: you are a beaut :) including linuxsampler worked. only problem now is that qt-embedded doesn't seem to be there.
  • [15:07:26] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: "No Qt for Embedded Linux server appears to be running"
  • [15:07:51] <Crofton|work> you'll need to ask in oe
  • [15:07:57] <koen_> sweetlilmre|work: -qws?
  • [15:08:02] <Crofton|work> the guys that might know about qt are there
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  • [15:09:04] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: "QFontDatabase: Cannot find font directory /usr/lib/fonts - is Qt installed correctly?"
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  • [15:09:30] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: do I need to add qt to your demo image build?
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  • [15:17:41] <koen> sw symlink /usr/share/fonts to /usr/lib/fonts
  • [15:18:43] <koen> sweetlilmre|work: I have this in a recipe for a qt/e app:
  • [15:18:43] <koen> install -d ${D}/${libdir}
  • [15:18:43] <koen> ln -sf ${datadir}/fonts ${D}/${libdir}/fonts
  • [15:18:54] <koen> inside the do_install method
  • [15:19:17] <koen> sweetlilmre|work: I suspect that can be moved to the libqte package or something similar
  • [15:19:41] <sweetlilmre|work> thanks, giving it a go now
  • [15:22:10] <khasim> koen: Do you know any anti aliasing tool that will make fonts look good on TV with out flicker?
  • [15:23:03] <koen> khasim: no idea, all fonts in angstrom should already have AA
  • [15:23:20] <koen> khasim: maybe tweak the fontconfig settings a bit
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  • [15:23:45] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: I have bigger issues. cant symlink, can't sudo or get to root via su 'su: must be suid to work properly' ! :)
  • [15:24:51] <koen> you didn't untar as root?
  • [15:25:01] <sweetlilmre|work> I did
  • [15:25:27] <khasim> few weeks back some one was talking about using Microsoft Verdana font on TV they said it was good but were worried about the usage - don't know how
  • [15:25:45] <Stskeeps> better than comic sans ms on tvs..
  • [15:26:42] <khasim> Can we use use Microsoft fonts in Linux?
  • [15:27:09] <koen> khasim: yes, but you have to install them yourself
  • [15:27:31] <khasim> koen: meaning, not part of angstrom - correct?
  • [15:27:38] <khasim> koen: how about licensing?
  • [15:27:46] <koen> khasim: the debian msttfcorefonts package is only a script that does 'wget http://microsoft.com/fonts/bla' and puts the fonts in /usr/share/fonts
  • [15:29:08] <khasim> koen: if I copy usr/lib/fonts from angstrom to other rootfs will that work ?
  • [15:29:14] <sweetlilmre|work> wow... okay it runs now, but no fonts and all messed up. seems I have messed up my SD somehow :)
  • [15:30:25] <koen> khasim: it should
  • [15:30:30] <koen> sweetlilmre|work: it's progress :)
  • [15:31:56] <khasim> koen: for microsoft fonts usage will their be any issues w.r.t licensing?
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  • [15:32:23] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: one step at a time :) at least the sampler backend runs ok. YAY! my first app compiled and working on beagle :)
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  • [15:32:31] * khasim might have to check with some lawyers :)
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  • [15:32:59] <koen> khasim: you'd have to check the font license, but I still think that tweaking fontconfig options would have a better effect
  • [15:33:08] <sweetlilmre|work> khasim: in a personal capacity I think its ok. commercially...
  • [15:33:44] <khasim> koen: thanks
  • [15:34:02] <khasim> sweetlilmre|work: thanks
  • [15:34:16] <sweetlilmre|work> khasim: np
  • [15:35:50] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: usb seem much more stable on the omap (not omap2) kernel :) just doesn't recognise my usb->wireless card anymore
  • [15:36:52] <koen> sweetlilmre|work: the defconfig could be missing some usb drivers
  • [15:37:46] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: linksys WUSB54GC card.
  • [15:38:54] * koen has no usb wifi cards and hence no idea
  • [15:39:10] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: want me to buy you one and mail it to you?
  • [15:39:12] <sweetlilmre|work> :)
  • [15:41:01] * khasim has no usb wifi cards either...
  • [15:41:40] <koen> sweetlilmre|work: pass on the CONFIG_FOO_DRIVER_FOR_WUSB thingy and I'll enable it in the defconfig
  • [15:41:52] <koen> (or make a patch and I'll apply it)
  • [15:42:11] <khasim> koen: can u pls give a small update on DSP link integration in OE
  • [15:42:33] <khasim> I am struck with other activities not getting time to keep in pace with beagle
  • [15:42:34] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: okay... I will need to research that :) (dunno what the config is for it atm)
  • [15:42:35] * jkridner|work will be back in about an hour to respond to prpplague and and-ri.
  • [15:43:22] * sweetlilmre|work re untared the rootfs and still has the suid issue... time for a rebuild
  • [15:43:50] <koen> khasim: RogerMonk will drop by this week/next week to get it working
  • [15:44:27] <khasim> koen: thanks, will check with RogerM
  • [15:48:01] <sweetlilmre|work> koen: strange, the device is RT73 based and I thought I saw a module for that...
  • [15:48:51] * Crofton|work needs the armv7 reference manual
  • [15:49:31] * felipec too
  • [15:49:39] <kulve> ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `q8'
  • [15:49:44] <Crofton|work> urg
  • [15:50:03] <kulve> why do I get errors like that from couple of libs when compiling with -mfpu=neon? (Using 2007q3)
  • [15:50:10] <Crofton|work> I need more detail on the instructions to figure out what is really happening
  • [15:50:24] <kulve> from 2 or 3 libs and I'm compiling everything up to X..
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  • [15:55:38] <Ikarus> hmz, let's see if I can hook up a multi-channel audio chip to the board without too complex hacking
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  • [16:00:42] <Ikarus> in theory not in i2s mode, as i2s only has 2 channels per port and only 2 ports are exposed on the beagle (port 2 is routed to the TWL4030), but osme companies made extensions
  • [16:03:48] <koen> Crofton|work: great, we can't commit stuff for the next few days....
  • [16:03:56] <dirk2> gcohler: ping
  • [16:04:10] <gcohler> dirk2: I'm here
  • [16:04:26] <dirk2> gcohler: I saw http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoard&curid=2882&diff=7326&oldid=7324
  • [16:04:40] <Crofton|work> catch up on school
  • [16:04:54] <dirk2> gcohler: It feels a little confusing to me. What does X-Loader has to do with uImage?
  • [16:05:53] <gcohler> dirk2: The X-Loader that comes with Beagle only uses the uImage that is in Nand. It doesn't automatically use the uImage from the SD card.
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  • [16:06:16] <gcohler> So I found that the uImage that comes with Beagleboard doesn't run Angstrom properly.
  • [16:06:43] <gcohler> That's the net real problem. The solution is to upgrade X-Loader, and use the uImage that comes with the Angstrom Demo.
  • [16:06:44] <dirk2> gcohler: Hmm, X-Loader start U-Boot and U-Boot loads uImage.
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  • [16:07:22] <koen> gcohler: s/uImage/u-boot/
  • [16:07:24] <gcohler> Yes. But for reasons I don't understand, X-Loader loads old UBoot, old Uboot loads uImage, doesn't work.
  • [16:07:49] <dirk2> gcohler: Yes, while it is technically correct to update X-Loader, the description 'X-Loader uses uImage' is technically not correct
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  • [16:08:04] <gcohler> dirk2: I agree.
  • [16:08:26] <gcohler> I'll update the page to read better.
  • [16:08:41] <Crofton|work> ldesnogu, does nagging you help me get the arm7 arch manual? I filled out the web form
  • [16:08:51] <koen> Crofton|work: armv7 :)
  • [16:09:07] <Crofton|work> right
  • [16:09:16] <dirk2> gcohler: Something like "update X-Loader to latest version to be able to use recent U-Boot and uImage" would sound better ;)
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  • [16:09:49] <gcohler> dirk2: Peace. consider it done (modulo a few minutes).
  • [16:10:24] <dirk2> gcohler: Ah, sorry, just made a proposal ;)
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  • [16:11:34] <dirk2> Ah, Rev C news -> mailing list
  • [16:12:35] <sweetlilmre|work> grrr rootfs is still toast.
  • [16:13:01] <sweetlilmre|work> oh well. home time, gn all
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  • [16:13:33] <nathanm> Rev C = February
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  • [16:15:31] <chakie> what do you people use to get openembedded to build?
  • [16:15:42] <nathanm> I hope they run out of ES2.1 before that and start shipping ES3 on Rev B.
  • [16:15:49] <chakie> the git version of oe has been broken for me for over a week
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  • [16:18:21] <gcohler> dirk2: Take a look now. I reworded the whole thing. I think it's better.
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  • [16:23:13] <dirk2> gcohler: Yes, thanks! :)
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  • [16:32:47] <jkridner|work> prpplague: no, I'd have to look at the TRM to know for sure. certainly most of them are.
  • [16:35:44] <Ikarus> hrm, anyone know where I can find the in depth documentation on the OMAP processor ?
  • [16:36:14] <koen> Ikarus: spru98f
  • [16:36:30] <prpplague> jkridner|work: the table in the beagle docs doesn't really give you any indication of which are available
  • [16:36:39] <koen> ehm
  • [16:36:41] <prpplague> jkridner|work: for external interrupts
  • [16:36:42] <koen> spruf98, that is
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  • [16:37:09] <koen> jkridner|work: back from your world tour?
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  • [16:37:55] <Ikarus> koen: and where would I find it ?>
  • [16:38:13] <koen> google gave me lots of hits on it
  • [16:38:24] <Ikarus> yes, but none to an actual download
  • [16:39:06] <koen> google gives me http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3503.pdf
  • [16:40:29] <BThompson> i dont know why it is not more readily linked but it is on the product folder, from there you can get http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spruf98b/spruf98b.pdf
  • [16:40:48] <Ikarus> koen: didn't get that one here
  • [16:41:00] <BThompson> note that it is 38.69MB and may take a while to download (3427 pages :-/)
  • [16:41:43] <Ikarus> like 20 seconds ? :P
  • [16:41:58] <BThompson> if thats too big, the chapters that make up that big document are broken up on the product folder in smaller pdfs
  • [16:41:59] <BThompson> http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html
  • [16:42:07] <Ikarus> BThompson: it's already in
  • [16:42:15] <Ikarus> actual broadband is actually fast :P
  • [16:42:20] <BThompson> it all depends on where you are :)
  • [16:42:32] <BThompson> even within the TI intrantet that one is annoyingly slow to load
  • [16:42:43] <Ikarus> BThompson: I just loaded it in 20 seconds
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  • [16:44:49] <koen> BThompson: I have it on CD :)
  • [16:45:04] <koen> I think I actually have it only a few CDs thanks to IBC
  • [16:45:15] <BThompson> I just keep it on my HDD, the acrobat reader seems to download it slower than normal
  • [16:45:40] * koen keeps it on the beagle as well
  • [16:46:27] <Ikarus> hmz, it's a shame the Beagle board only exports 2 McBSP busses on the external connector (looks like 2 are availible on the chip but not used), else getting 6 audio channels in/out of it would be alot simpeler
  • [16:47:42] <prpplague> Ikarus: what would you use 6 audio channels for?
  • [16:47:56] <Ikarus> prpplague: full surround sound ?
  • [16:48:32] <koen> usb audio?
  • [16:48:50] <prpplague> Ikarus: what and use the beagle for some sort of dvr?
  • [16:48:51] <[X]Spoty> Hi guys
  • [16:48:53] <Ikarus> koen: not very practical if I want to stick it into a few sample production systems
  • [16:49:04] <[X]Spoty> I removed vlc from my box, and then tried to install the compiled one with OE : opkg install vlc_0.9.2-r1_armv7a.ip but receive
  • [16:49:04] <[X]Spoty> * Package vlc md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.
  • [16:49:06] <[X]Spoty> any ideas ?
  • [16:50:32] <koen> sounds like your package or package index is corrupt
  • [16:51:09] <koen> it usually means that the md5sum in the index file doesn't match the one of the actual file
  • [16:55:04] <[X]Spoty> yes. but I just build it with OE ?
  • [16:55:15] <[X]Spoty> I did opkg update and removed /usr/lib/opkg/lists/
  • [16:55:28] <[X]Spoty> and Multiple packages (vlc and vlc) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. ....
  • [16:55:35] <[X]Spoty> the same: * Package vlc md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.
  • [16:56:14] <koen> that means your vlc package conflicts with the one in the feeds
  • [16:56:18] <Psychiatras> hi. What is diffrent between MLO_revb and MLO_restore?
  • [16:56:25] <koen> so, why aren't you using the one in the feeds?
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  • [16:56:34] <koen> Psychiatras: they are both broken and shouldn't be used
  • [16:56:53] <Psychiatras> which I have to use to recover my beagle
  • [16:56:54] <Psychiatras> :)
  • [16:56:55] <Psychiatras> ?
  • [16:56:59] <[X]Spoty> koen because the one in the feed does not have HTTP support
  • [16:57:15] <koen> Psychiatras: try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/x-load.bin.ift
  • [16:57:36] <[X]Spoty> so I decided to build it myself with HTTP support (if I build it myself it's build with http support by default)
  • [16:57:48] <koen> [X]Spoty: are you sure?
  • [16:57:57] <koen> [X]Spoty: http support has been enabled for a while
  • [16:58:04] <Psychiatras> koen => I will be able to use it from MMC?
  • [16:58:16] <koen> Psychiatras: yes
  • [16:58:38] <Psychiatras> ok, thank you
  • [16:59:54] <Psychiatras> koen => I need to rename it to MLO. yes?
  • [17:00:08] <[X]Spoty> koen hmmm . actually :
  • [17:00:08] <[X]Spoty> cat org.openembedded.dev/packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.8.4.bb | grep httpd
  • [17:00:08] <[X]Spoty> --disable-httpd \
  • [17:00:51] <[X]Spoty> but :
  • [17:00:51] <[X]Spoty> OE:beagleboard [bitbake@localhost oe]$ cat org.openembedded.dev/packages/vlc/vlc_0.9.2.bb | grep httpd
  • [17:00:51] <[X]Spoty> --enable-httpd --enable-vlm \
  • [17:00:55] <[X]Spoty> which is true ?
  • [17:02:14] <koen> what do you mean?
  • [17:02:18] <koen> those are 2 different packages
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  • [17:02:34] <koen> vlc-gpe is a vlc version with a interface for qvga PDAs
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  • [17:02:55] <[X]Spoty> so it's enabled in VLC by default ?
  • [17:03:06] <koen> yes
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  • [17:08:12] <[X]Spoty> I just did bitbake vlc... and copied /home/bitbake/oe/tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/vlc-0.9.2-r1/./staging-pkg/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv7a/vlc_0.9.2-r1_armv7a.ipk
  • [17:08:14] <[X]Spoty> to the board
  • [17:08:17] <[X]Spoty> is that all ?
  • [17:09:40] <koen> ehm
  • [17:10:03] <koen> 18:56 < koen> so, why aren't you using the one in the feeds?
  • [17:10:23] <[X]Spoty> so it already has http support ?
  • [17:10:37] <koen> do I have to repeat everything?
  • [17:10:42] <[X]Spoty> sorry man
  • [17:15:52] <[X]Spoty> koen, do you have a second to ask you something else
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  • [17:16:11] <koen> sure
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  • [17:19:49] <[X]Spoty> http://stancho.com/pastebin/7
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  • [17:20:17] <[X]Spoty> if you have any experience with vlc.. do you have any idea about that
  • [17:20:45] <Psychiatras> koen => x-load.bin.ift form link that you give me not work too :|
  • [17:21:57] <koen> [X]Spoty: is 'dbus-x11' installed on your system?
  • [17:24:20] <koen> [X]Spoty: apart from that, try asking in the videolan irc channel (if they have one)
  • [17:28:22] <[X]Spoty> koen I just installed dbus-x11.. but the main issue I this is that below... I will ask in videolan
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  • [17:44:42] <Psychiatras> may be someone have a little bit time to help me recover BB? :(
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  • [17:49:11] <robclark> Psychiatras: maybe this helps: https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapzoom/wiki/?pagename=BootingAndFlashing ... the procedure should be basically the same for beagle
  • [17:49:32] <robclark> (but this info may be somewhere on the beagle page too)
  • [17:50:00] <robclark> (I assume when you say recover, it means you overwrote u-boot)
  • [17:52:11] <Psychiatras> I will try... but it looks that same that I try to do about 50 times....
  • [17:52:35] <robclark> hmm... how far do you get?
  • [17:53:51] <Psychiatras> I'm geting 40T or "Error: reading boot sector"
  • [17:54:01] <Psychiatras> in terminal
  • [17:57:28] <robclark> sounds like x-loader is not ok... I think 40T was what the first stage loader in ROM sends.. (disclaimer: this is from memory... I'm not the flashing expert)
  • [17:58:20] <vlad_> (correct)
  • [17:58:57] <Psychiatras> I tried all x-loader which I was able to find with no luck....
  • [18:01:01] <koen> it does needs to be called 'mlo' and be the first entry in the FAT
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  • [18:01:21] <Psychiatras> I tried it too
  • [18:03:17] <Psychiatras> when I copy files to flash card I always reformat it with FAT32 (like in instructions). first step i copy MLO then u-boot.bin then others
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  • [18:03:58] <Psychiatras> I tried 3 difrent cards too
  • [18:04:03] <Psychiatras> with no luck
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  • [18:09:41] <vlad_> do you create a partition table?
  • [18:09:44] <vlad_> or just format the entire card?
  • [18:09:49] <mru> kulve: ping
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  • [18:10:18] <vlad_> (also, I thought you needed a working x-loader to be able to boot from SD?)
  • [18:11:18] <Psychiatras> vlad_ => of cource I create table. everything is done line in instruction
  • [18:11:30] <kulve> mru: pong
  • [18:11:41] <Psychiatras> *like
  • [18:11:48] <mru> I see you encountered the "undefined reference to q8" issue
  • [18:11:58] <kulve> yeah..
  • [18:12:10] <kulve> I hoped you would know the issue with just that error :)
  • [18:12:10] <mru> did you ever figure it out?
  • [18:12:22] <kulve> nope (too low level for me..)
  • [18:12:24] <mru> I've seen it once before
  • [18:13:15] <mru> I suspect a binutils bug
  • [18:13:20] <kulve> I got it earlier as well, when trying to compile the ffmpeg with 2007q3 and -mfpu=neon etc. gcc options
  • [18:13:20] <mru> which binutils are you using?
  • [18:13:33] <mru> gcc version is irrelevant
  • [18:14:07] <kulve> is binutils provided by the toolchain..?
  • [18:14:26] <mru> it's typically a separate package
  • [18:14:42] <mru> unless you've got one of those ghastly SDK things
  • [18:14:47] * koen uses regular binutils, not the csl one, no q8 problems here
  • [18:14:57] <mru> koen: same here
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  • [18:17:04] <kulve> humm.. How do I actually see the version?
  • [18:17:25] <mru> as --version
  • [18:17:26] <kulve> I think I normally use it from the toolchain but I have now binutils installed..
  • [18:17:33] <mru> arm-....-gnueabi-as
  • [18:17:47] <mru> there is no such thing as "the toolchain"
  • [18:18:02] <mru> gcc and binutils are separate packages
  • [18:18:27] <kulve> what all does codesourcery's set include..?
  • [18:18:57] <mru> I have no idea what the binary packages contain
  • [18:19:05] <mru> I only use gcc, and I build it from sources
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  • [18:19:52] <koen> same here
  • [18:20:10] <kulve> I'm using probably everything that they provide in the binary package (gcc, libc, binutils).
  • [18:20:20] <mru> oh dear
  • [18:21:09] <BeppoS> Hello! I need OpenGL ES 2.0 (especially the shaders) and I only found the emulator at TI... Is there another source? Or did I miss the correct link?
  • [18:21:22] <mru> BeppoS: you'll have to wait
  • [18:22:19] <BeppoS> mru: how long? and who will provide it?
  • [18:22:42] <mru> imagination will, and I don't have an eta
  • [18:23:27] <BeppoS> hmmm, do you know if there is a possibility to get a beta version? (signing a NDA is no problem)
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  • [18:23:41] <mru> speak to TI
  • [18:23:44] <kulve> BeppoS: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Graphics_accelerator
  • [18:24:03] <BThompson> BeppoS you may want to talk with your local TI contact (sales office)
  • [18:26:34] <BeppoS> kulve: that's how I got the emulator - but the promised OpenGL 2.0 was not at the "WTBU - OMAP Mobile Gaming" page :-(
  • [18:27:04] <BeppoS> BThompson: thanks, I hope this will help.
  • [18:27:45] <BThompson> anything with WTBU on it will probably not be of much help unless you are making a cell phone
  • [18:27:54] <BThompson> they get a seperate package
  • [18:28:45] <mru> 3430 and 3530 are software compatible
  • [18:28:52] <mru> indistinguishable, in fact
  • [18:30:08] <BeppoS> How about the DSP: I read GStreamer was ported on the DSP - is it possible to develop own filters for GStreamer running on DSP? Or do I need an additional SDK?
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  • [18:31:48] <BeppoS> e.g. if I wanted to port Dirac video compression...
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  • [18:36:20] <koen> BeppoS: I heard people at TI have compiled schroedinger with the DSP toolchain
  • [18:36:27] <koen> BeppoS: no reports on performance yet
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  • [18:36:51] <mru> I'd wouldn't expect much performance-wise from dirac
  • [18:38:13] <BeppoS> Ah.
  • [18:38:27] <mru> don't know how clever the DSP compiler is
  • [18:38:32] <BeppoS> Is the DSP toolchain available for free?
  • [18:38:37] <mru> yes
  • [18:38:53] <mru> you need to register on the TI website
  • [18:39:27] <BeppoS> Do you have link where I can do this?
  • [18:39:32] <koen> mru: I recall hearing about using some hardware engines in the IVA for wavelets, but that could have been for davinciHD
  • [18:39:46] <mru> the omap doesn't have any wavelet acceleration
  • [18:40:02] <mru> it has motion estimation, loop filter, and VLC decoding
  • [18:40:23] <mru> motion estimation is for encoding only
  • [18:40:39] <BeppoS> That really sounds very interesting...
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  • [18:40:52] <mru> no specs available for those parts at the moment
  • [18:41:25] <koen> mru: I wonder how much peformance TI can get by having dirac stuff decode fully on the DSP
  • [18:42:00] <mru> compiling the code as is probably wont get anywhere near the top performance possible
  • [18:42:08] <mru> compilers just aren't that clever
  • [18:42:29] <koen> zuh: could you try playing http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/duvel.mpg with e.g. mplayer with your XV driver?
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  • [18:43:42] <koen> zuh: I get screen corruption and after a while I get a black bar at the bottom of the screen and the image is compressed into the remaining space
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  • [19:13:16] <mru> csl binutils confirmed broken
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  • [19:27:26] <Psychiatras> mru => which binutils you recommned to use?
  • [19:27:41] <mru> vanilla upstream fsf
  • [19:27:53] <Psychiatras> ?
  • [19:28:25] <mru> I'm using version 2.18.50.0.9
  • [19:28:30] <mru> direct from gnu
  • [19:29:10] <mru> my test case for breaking the csl version is one line...
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  • [19:29:32] <mru> plus syntactical fluff
  • [19:35:05] <calculus> maybe you should tell pbrook about it
  • [19:35:06] <koen> a cynical person would suggest that the bugs are put there on purpose
  • [19:35:26] <koen> since no-one would buy the non-free ones if the free ones work
  • [19:35:40] <Psychiatras> :)
  • [19:36:32] <mru> koen: do you think I should add more cynicism to my blag?
  • [19:37:03] <nathanm> pbrook seemed to blame ARM's QA. Maybe we can get one of them here to defend themselves.
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  • [19:37:30] <koen> mru: blog?
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  • [19:38:02] <mru> call it what you want
  • [19:38:14] <koen> I actually meant "url?"
  • [19:38:26] <mru> I posted it here a few days ago
  • [19:38:31] <mru> you must have missed it
  • [19:38:41] <mru> http://hardwarebug.org/
  • [19:38:47] * koen reads
  • [19:38:56] <koen> yeah, I was without internet the weekend
  • [19:39:06] * mru sympathises
  • [19:40:16] <flo_lap> koen: that's cool, eh? ;)
  • [19:40:55] * Crofton|work suspects koen of being told not to bring a laptop :)
  • [19:41:13] <koen> flo_lap: I even ran into someone I met in Brasil, who was attending a demonstration in berlin
  • [19:41:29] <flo_lap> koen: cool
  • [19:41:41] <koen> Crofton|work: :)
  • [19:41:45] <mru> koen: did you go to berlin?
  • [19:41:55] <koen> mru: yes
  • [19:42:01] <mru> berlin is nice
  • [19:42:11] <koen> it indeed is
  • [19:42:15] <mru> I know a good turkish restaurant there
  • [19:42:23] <koen> it was even sunny weather :)
  • [19:42:34] <mru> it was sunny here too
  • [19:42:40] <Crofton|work> um curry wursts
  • [19:42:56] <Crofton|work> only German food I managed in four days in Berlin
  • [19:42:57] <mru> berlin, where the beer is cheaper than the water
  • [19:43:13] <Crofton|work> Mexico, where the beer is safer than water
  • [19:43:13] <mru> that's no joke
  • [19:43:39] <koen> Crofton|work: they tore down those stands
  • [19:43:47] <Crofton|work> bummer
  • [19:43:51] <koen> Crofton|work: I was confused when I couldn't locate them anymore
  • [19:43:54] <Crofton|work> the chinese one
  • [19:44:03] <Crofton|work> with the English menu for xora?
  • [19:44:12] <koen> mru: whereabouts is that restaurant? mitte, kreuzberg?
  • [19:44:17] <Crofton|work> anf the turkish one
  • [19:44:37] <Crofton|work> and the stand selling liquor on the street
  • [19:44:38] <koen> Crofton|work: the Thai restaurant there is called "The Golden Triangle"
  • [19:44:51] <koen> Crofton|work: all the stands
  • [19:44:52] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [19:45:51] <Crofton|work> bummer
  • [19:47:54] <koen> Crofton|work: basically everything in the middle is gone: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=linienStra%C3%9Fe,+Berlijn,+Berlijn,+Berlijn,+Duitsland&sll=52.526273,13.388077&sspn=0.000757,0.001789&ie=UTF8&ll=52.526281,13.388096&spn=0.000757,0.001789&t=h&z=19
  • [19:48:50] <Crofton|work> xora will be very disappointed
  • [19:49:04] <Crofton|work> I think that was the only menu he was comfortable with
  • [19:53:15] <koen> at the demo I kept thinking "I wonder who is providing the body armour for the police"
  • [19:54:38] <koen> mru: the grey-on-grey of your blog is a bit low-contrast on my laptop
  • [19:55:07] <mru> yeah, it's a bit low
  • [19:55:19] <mru> I should make the text a bit darker
  • [19:55:21] <mru> hold on
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  • [19:56:22] <koen> that's better
  • [19:56:45] * mru hugs css
  • [19:56:56] <mru> and stabs it in the back
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  • [20:21:11] <koen> vlad_: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5f69e0f5cb3b39932d44b2fe3710d7f7.png
  • [20:24:50] <Ikarus> hmz, it's really a shame the Beagle doesn't export the McBSP/SPI 4 and 5 ports and the UART 2 and 3
  • [20:25:37] <mru> (some of) those are on the expansion port
  • [20:26:44] <denix|eee> koen: cool! how big is the ipk?
  • [20:26:45] <Crofton> so many interfaces, so few pins
  • [20:26:47] <Ikarus> mru: no, none of those
  • [20:26:54] <Ikarus> mru: McBSP/SPI 1 and 3 are
  • [20:27:25] <mru> right
  • [20:28:44] <koen> denix|eee: about 10MB compressed
  • [20:29:12] <koen> denix|eee: but the most important thing is that it isn't glacially slow anymore on the beagle
  • [20:29:30] <Ikarus> oh, wait, I take that back, UART 2 is also on it
  • [20:29:56] <Crofton|work> Ikarus, I think prpplague plans to make some kind of interface expander card for the beagle
  • [20:30:07] <Crofton|work> you might suggest things that would be useful to him
  • [20:30:14] * prpplague looks in
  • [20:30:42] <denix|eee> koen: can it run directly on fb?
  • [20:30:45] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: yeah, but I just wish all the unused ports on the OMAP where exported, heh, though appaerently it isn't as bad as I feared, I just mis-read the table for a bit
  • [20:31:20] <prpplague> Ikarus: we are doing a daughter board to assist in prototyping with the beagle
  • [20:31:33] <prpplague> Ikarus: if there is something specific you'd like feel to suggest it
  • [20:32:01] <Ikarus> prpplague: cute, nothing specific so far though, I think I just found a way to pull off what I need
  • [20:32:47] <Ikarus> prpplague: any designs in progress, perhaps something will pop in my mind
  • [20:32:54] <Ikarus> I can get 2 McSPI's and the McBSP1 out of the connector and that should be all I need
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  • [20:34:17] <prpplague> Ikarus: current board has a 16channel gpio expander via i2c, 8 channel ADC via i2c, eeprom via i2c, pads for enc28j60 via spi, mmc/sd card socket, db-9 uart2, 2 pots, 2leds, 2buttons, protoarea
  • [20:35:32] <emeb> prpplague: is your daughtercard intended to mount on/under beagle, or connect with cable?
  • [20:35:51] <koen> denix|eee: I suspect it can if you build against gtk-directfb
  • [20:35:54] <prpplague> emeb: we are going on the design of it to be mounted under the beagle
  • [20:36:18] <prpplague> emeb: the board is the same dimensions as the beagle
  • [20:36:28] <emeb> prpplague: cool - I'd read somewhere that mounting above was a problem. Why's that?
  • [20:36:44] <Ikarus> prpplague: handy, I might pick it up even if I am only using the enc28j60 myself, is the enc28j60 pads, for the chip or for the lovely http://www.olimex.com/dev/enc28j60-h.html component (which includes stuff like magnetics, etc)
  • [20:37:12] <prpplague> emeb: several issues, 1) it blocks the buttons 2) blocks the leds, 3) some of the connectors are too tall 4) restricts access to jtag and uart
  • [20:37:30] <emeb> prpplague: yup - makes sense.
  • [20:37:32] <prpplague> Ikarus: for the olimex board
  • [20:37:43] <Ikarus> prpplague: right, put me up for one :P
  • [20:37:49] <prpplague> Ikarus: we are going to do a pin compatible enc28j60 module
  • [20:38:02] <Ikarus> prpplague: cheaper then the olimex ? :P
  • [20:38:03] <denix|eee> ????????????????????????????????????
  • [20:38:05] <vlad_> koen: neat -- you're going to want a define in CFLAGS though
  • [20:38:05] <prpplague> Ikarus: we'll have it posted on tincantools a week or two before they are available
  • [20:38:12] <vlad_> due to hilarity, it's only set if you build with maemo stuff
  • [20:38:20] <prpplague> Ikarus: yea about $5-7 USD cheaper
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  • [20:38:38] <koen> vlad_: what kind of define?
  • [20:38:40] <vlad_> (it optimizes some gfx things to avoid taking dumb slow paths related to non-pixel-aligned clipping)
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  • [20:39:12] <Ikarus> prpplague: anyway to keep up with release notices on it other then hitting the site occisionaklly
  • [20:39:15] <vlad_> koen: -DMOZ_GFX_OPTIMIZE_MOBILE
  • [20:39:32] <vlad_> I think if you just set CPPFLAGS="-DMOZ_GFX_OPTIMIZE_MOBILE" before running configure it should do the right thing
  • [20:40:10] <prpplague> Ikarus: not really, the layout is being done now, i suspect we will have the proto run at the end of next week, the following week doing testing, then go to production with any tweaks or fixes
  • [20:41:01] <koen> vlad_: no mozconfig?
  • [20:41:06] <Ikarus> prpplague: anyway, I have to kiss you, this means I won't be the only one fixing up the enc28j60 SPI driver for Linux :P
  • [20:41:32] <vlad_> koen: no configure flag for it at least
  • [20:41:56] <calculus> did ds2 have a protoboard as well?
  • [20:41:58] <vlad_> koen: maybe 'export CFLAGS="-D..."' at the start of mozconfig would do it
  • [20:42:08] <prpplague> Ikarus: hehe whats wrong with the driver?
  • [20:42:17] <emeb> prpplague: enc28j60 looks nice - then you need someone to write linux driver for it... :)
  • [20:42:19] <Ikarus> prpplague: it was far from finished from what I heard
  • [20:42:34] <Ikarus> prpplague: but I could be wrong
  • [20:42:49] <prpplague> *cough* its in the main tree and works pretty darn well
  • [20:43:01] <Ikarus> prpplague: aah, k, then the posts I spotted where wrong :)
  • [20:43:19] <Ikarus> prpplague: btw, interesting idea to go with the Beagle rev C, touchpanel controller
  • [20:43:34] <prpplague> Ikarus: ??
  • [20:43:38] <emeb> prpplague: oh good. Then just needs tweaks to point it at beagle's SPI.
  • [20:43:40] <Ikarus> though a seperate one that hooks up to the serial line is only around $20 complete
  • [20:43:48] <prpplague> emeb: yea
  • [20:43:50] <Ikarus> emeb: Linux SPI architecture
  • [20:44:09] <Ikarus> prpplague: well, the rev C will have LCD panel outputs on the board
  • [20:44:17] <emeb> Ikarus: do tell? I'm used to low-level stuff...
  • [20:44:23] <prpplague> Ikarus: ahh i had not heard that
  • [20:44:37] <Ikarus> emeb: it means it is easy to tie a driver to a given SPI bus with just some parameters
  • [20:44:55] <Ikarus> it's similair to the i2c subsystem
  • [20:45:04] <emeb> Ikarus: v nice. I'll look further. I2C I've seen before.
  • [20:45:17] <Ikarus> emeb: 2.6.16 kernel and above include it
  • [20:45:50] <prpplague> Ikarus: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/enc28j60.c;h=e1b441effbbec15b81de2fe4b2d36992ac993724;hb=HEAD
  • [20:45:53] <Ikarus> prpplague: so to go with the LCD panel outputs I associate it with a touchpanel
  • [20:46:04] <prpplague> Ikarus: ahh
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  • [20:46:18] <prpplague> Ikarus: not in the loop on that one
  • [20:46:24] <Ikarus> But a seperate touchpanel controller can be easily hooked to beagle already
  • [20:46:30] <Ikarus> via either UARTs, USB or SPI
  • [20:46:51] <emeb> Ikarus: recommendation on cheap LCD/Touchpanels?
  • [20:47:03] <Ikarus> emeb: none so far, still investigating myself
  • [20:47:11] <prpplague> Ikarus: hehe, when the boss says to work on it...........
  • [20:47:23] <emeb> Ikarus: ok - want something like that for another project...
  • [20:47:28] <Ikarus> emeb: I might be using replacement Asus EEE 701 panels + touchpanel for the same
  • [20:47:36] <Ikarus> those seem to be the cheapest source of panels right now
  • [20:47:41] <koen> vlad_: any quick way to check it the define made a difference?
  • [20:47:59] <emeb> Ikarus: hmmm - not so hot on surplus - this is production.
  • [20:48:06] <prpplague> emeb: you can get pretty close to 10mb/s with the enc28j60, but its pretty power hungry
  • [20:48:17] <prpplague> emeb: and for the beagle you have to do some level shifting
  • [20:48:33] <emeb> prpplague: yeah - I was wondering about throughput on SPI.
  • [20:48:47] <koen> vlad_: I see it ending up in CFLAGS, but I want to make sure :)
  • [20:48:52] <Ikarus> emeb: not surplus
  • [20:48:53] <prpplague> emeb: average at 12mhz spi clock is about 8mb/s
  • [20:48:59] <Ikarus> emeb: these panels are just generic types
  • [20:49:10] <emeb> prpplague: One thing I'd like to see is a beagle daughterboard with an FPGA to do levelshifting, routing & simple logic.
  • [20:49:22] <Ikarus> emeb: but just look on chinese b2b sites
  • [20:49:27] <prpplague> emeb: yea had alot of requests for that
  • [20:49:29] <Ikarus> emeb: best place to look for stuff like this
  • [20:49:57] <emeb> prpplague: some pretty inexpensive small FPGAs out there (spartan/cyclone)
  • [20:50:02] <Ikarus> prpplague: ah, yes, LEVEL SHIFTING for the signals would be one key thing to have :), almost forgot it :)
  • [20:50:29] * Ikarus would have probably cooked his beagle out of the box *puts up a little note*
  • [20:50:42] <Crofton|work> Ikarus, http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/2803655212/
  • [20:51:03] <emeb> prpplague: I'm thinking about something like that as a home project. Yours sounds more well rounded though...
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  • [20:51:33] <Ikarus> emeb: the real issue with FPGA's is the lack of free and open development tools :(
  • [20:51:46] <Crofton|work> Ikarus, you can say that again :(
  • [20:52:01] <Ikarus> some CPLDs can be done with open software though these days and a CPLD would be sufficient for level translation and routing
  • [20:52:02] <emeb> Ikarus: not open, but definitely free (Web versions from Xilinx & Altera)
  • [20:52:23] <Ikarus> emeb: uhuh, but I also prefer my tools to be open, I always end up with itches so to say
  • [20:52:29] <emeb> Ikarus: plus there's progress on the open front, although good results are scarce.
  • [20:52:52] <Ikarus> emeb: as said, some CPLDs can be done
  • [20:52:54] <emeb> Ikarus: well, if you insist on open then FPGAs arent for you.
  • [20:53:21] <Ikarus> also I'd say a CPLD would be preferable, considering they negate the need for loading software into them before they work
  • [20:53:22] <prpplague> emeb: which is kinda of the reason tincantools doesn't use them
  • [20:53:24] <Ikarus> err, firmware
  • [20:53:32] <vlad_> koen: repainting, say, cnn.com or techcrunch.com should be noticably faster (the update that happens after you pan)
  • [20:53:47] <emeb> Ikarus: loading is fast & adds a lot of flexibility - see GNURadio USRP.
  • [20:54:01] <Ikarus> emeb: uhuh, but CPLDs will just work after restarting
  • [20:54:12] <Ikarus> emeb: which is handy if they level shift for whatever you are booting from
  • [20:54:17] <flo_lap> Crofton|work: That looks pretty good...
  • [20:54:20] * Crofton|work notes the USRP2 FPGA needs the pay version of Xilinx
  • [20:54:23] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:54:33] <Crofton|work> been busy with gnu radio on the beagle
  • [20:54:51] <Crofton|work> that is working, need to make the filter run fast enough to be useful
  • [20:55:04] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: btw, I have an alternative piece of hardware that can do the core functionality of the GNU Radio HW, but at 1/10th the price
  • [20:55:14] <emeb> Crofton|work: don't know much about USRP2 yet (still catching up), but didn't know that its FPGA was too big for free tools. That's a problem.
  • [20:55:21] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:55:25] <Ikarus> Seriously the USRP2 is overpriced......
  • [20:55:29] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [20:55:34] <Crofton|work> Eric has to eat
  • [20:55:35] <flo_lap> Crofton|work: I habe the same Spartan evalkit, but I lack the expansion board for it. Where did you get this?
  • [20:55:42] <Crofton|work> and pay my bar bills :)
  • [20:55:52] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [20:55:54] <Crofton|work> hang on
  • [20:56:19] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: I have a Spartan 3 kit with USB 2.0 chip (can do full 400Mbit/s transfers) and a highspeed NXP ADC and DAC
  • [20:56:25] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: total cost was $70
  • [20:56:42] <emeb> Ikarus: where'd you get that $70 kit?
  • [20:57:34] <emeb> Ikarus: I've been fooling with Digilent S3Esk & Avnet S3A for a while. Nice.
  • [20:57:36] <Ikarus> hrm, actually that was without the DACs
  • [20:57:44] <Ikarus> erm ADC and DAC
  • [20:57:52] <emeb> Ikarus: ah - DACs/ADCs are a 'cost adder'
  • [20:58:00] <koen> Crofton|work: http://oscar.dcarr.org/ssrp/index.php
  • [20:58:02] <Ikarus> emeb: not with this
  • [20:59:03] <emeb> Ikarus: ok - so who sells it?
  • [20:59:12] <Ikarus> bleah, I am confusing them
  • [20:59:19] <Ikarus> it was the Cyclone based one that was cheap
  • [20:59:31] <Ikarus> But as I just needed it to shove data down the USB connector
  • [20:59:43] * Ikarus bashes head on table
  • [20:59:49] <emeb> Ikarus: that's fine. How fast are the convertors?
  • [21:00:07] <Ikarus> emeb: I put that stuff together myself, 200Mhz
  • [21:00:12] <Ikarus> in theory
  • [21:00:17] <Ikarus> never ran it that high :)
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  • [21:00:58] <emeb> Ikarus: OK - kinda OT here. :)
  • [21:00:59] <Ikarus> http://www.knjn.com but these guys now have a Cyclone based board for $90 with USB 2.0 and 230Mhz acquisition for $60
  • [21:01:33] <Crofton|work> arg. can't find the expansion board link
  • [21:02:29] <emeb> Crofton|work: which one (for Digilent?)
  • [21:02:30] <Crofton|work> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?Prod=FX2WW&Nav1=Products&Nav2=Accessory
  • [21:02:32] <Crofton|work> there
  • [21:02:43] <Ikarus> koen: oooh, need to pick up one of those, probably better then my own little hacks
  • [21:03:07] <emeb> yeah - they're nice. I've got one with an ARM7 on to talk to the S3Esk.
  • [21:03:09] <Crofton|work> minimal hacking needed to power one IO bank from the beagle's 1.8v supply
  • [21:03:47] <emeb> I want to see someone figure out how to do a slave serial configure using GPIO from beagle.
  • [21:03:50] <Ikarus> prpplague: anyway, is there any form of level shifting on the expansion board ?
  • [21:03:52] <Crofton|work> emeb, any chance you are going to the sdr forum tech conf?
  • [21:04:04] <flo_lap> Crofton|work: ah that's great - many thanks
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  • [21:04:11] <Ikarus> emeb: errr, why not do it using SPI, many FPGAs just use that (or i2c)
  • [21:04:13] <Crofton|work> emeb, I am going to talk to Chris about that later this week :)
  • [21:04:14] <emeb> Crofton|work: doubtful. Where is it?
  • [21:04:28] <Crofton|work> Washington/Crystal City
  • [21:04:59] <emeb> Crofton|work: No chance. I've got some buddies at GD who may be going though.
  • [21:05:21] <prpplague> Ikarus: yea, all the i/o available to the user on the board can be set for either +3.3v levels or +5v levels
  • [21:05:27] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:05:29] <emeb> (GD = Gen Dynamics) I'm in Phoenix
  • [21:05:33] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [21:05:35] <Crofton|work> I know GD
  • [21:06:01] <emeb> I'm a lowly ind. contractor & my current gig is a bit too far off the mark for that.
  • [21:06:15] <Crofton|work> yeah me too
  • [21:06:26] <Crofton|work> but I am working in the field and it is close
  • [21:06:32] <Crofton|work> I need to beg for work there :)
  • [21:06:44] <emeb> More work in that all the time.
  • [21:06:54] <Ikarus> prpplague: aah, great, then I most certainly want one, cuts down on mu dev time
  • [21:07:07] <Ikarus> s/u/y/
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  • [21:08:03] <Ikarus> anyway, first waiting for the rev C beagle board
  • [21:08:10] <emeb> Ikarus: SPI works too. Slave Serial takes fewer I/O pins though
  • [21:08:12] <Ikarus> (and for any major bugs to show up with it)
  • [21:08:20] <Ikarus> emeb: i2c then ? :)
  • [21:08:29] <Ikarus> or i2c -> SPI bridge chip
  • [21:08:30] <Crofton|work> Ikarus, me too, but there is loads I can work through with my A5 :)
  • [21:08:38] <emeb> Ikarus: waiting for Rev C is my holdup too.
  • [21:08:59] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: uhuh, yeah, but I don't have the resources to blow money on it twice :)
  • [21:09:15] <emeb> Ikarus: Feb seems a long way off right now.
  • [21:09:33] <Ikarus> emeb: huh ? the rev C was announced for late december, early january, right ?
  • [21:09:35] <Crofton|work> I was lucky enough to get the A% for helping out. You might notice mine has a hardwired power supply :)
  • [21:09:40] <emeb> Ikarus: I2C - you're funny.
  • [21:09:51] <Ikarus> emeb: hey, it's only for loading the config
  • [21:09:52] <emeb> Ikarus: Just on the mail list - middle of Q1
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  • [21:10:18] <emeb> Ikarus: Yeah - but FPGAs don't talk I2C on their config interface
  • [21:10:36] <Ikarus> emeb: a few do, but i2c -> SPI bridges exist
  • [21:10:59] <emeb> Ikarus: bridge is more parts. Just use two GPIOs & bit-bang.
  • [21:11:12] <Ikarus> emeb: well, rather you then me :P
  • [21:11:49] <emeb> Ikarus: well, you're going with a CPLD anyway. :)
  • [21:12:54] <emeb> Crofton|work: had any further luck with your beagle/S3Esk?
  • [21:13:06] <Crofton|work> not beyond blinking lights :)
  • [21:13:10] <Ikarus> emeb: well, I doubt I'll need anything of the sort
  • [21:13:20] <Crofton|work> I do have lots of gnu radio running on the beagle
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  • [21:13:45] <Crofton|work> working on a good NEON imlpementation of a FIR filter now
  • [21:13:46] <Ikarus> will probably glue on a Atmel AVR for some stupid peripheral HW controlling, but that stuff is so complex I'd hate to write a statemachine for it
  • [21:13:50] <flo_lap> Eeks! $50 for shipping two of these boards!
  • [21:13:56] <emeb> Crofton|work: I need to start trying to build GNURadio on my Fedora system. Just to learn it.
  • [21:13:57] <Ikarus> so replacing it with a CPLD is not a big option
  • [21:14:27] <Crofton|work> flo_lap, if you can wait until FOSDEM (or OEDEM if it is sooner) I can carry them over
  • [21:14:36] <Crofton|work> it is useful
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  • [21:14:45] <Crofton|work> it is a good thing to know
  • [21:14:46] <Ikarus> hmmmm, FOSDEM, right, I need to book a hotel for that
  • [21:14:48] <Ikarus> this time on time
  • [21:14:52] <Crofton|work> heh
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  • [21:14:59] <Crofton|work> I'll wait until they settle the date
  • [21:15:07] <Crofton|work> see the FOSDEM web page
  • [21:15:30] <Crofton|work> We really need a good beagle talk for the embedded room
  • [21:15:39] <flo_lap> Crofton|work: That would be an option indeed...
  • [21:16:40] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: well, only if it is a really good talk, FOSDEM is not the place for yet another "look at what we are using xxx for" style talk (I so hate the big conferences for that....)
  • [21:16:58] <Crofton|work> what would you want to see?
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  • [21:20:23] <emeb> Crofton|work: re NEON FIR. Do you have to do all the compiling on an x86 & then port the code over?
  • [21:20:53] <emeb> Crofton|work: IOW, can you do native development (cross-devel sounds like a big hassle).
  • [21:21:52] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: what beagle is, what it can do, where it is going is the usual structure for FOSDEM talks in my experience
  • [21:22:05] <Ikarus> anyway, don't listen to me, I'd be too scared to do a talk :P
  • [21:27:52] * flo_lap found a source in France, but the shop is in French only and this was my worst subject ever
  • [21:29:13] <Ikarus> flo_lap: what are you trying to get ?
  • [21:29:13] <Crofton|work> emeb, cross
  • [21:30:02] <Crofton|work> It would be great to get a TI guy to talk about the beagle and how they are trying to work better with the open source community
  • [21:30:15] <flo_lap> Ikarus: This FX2WW board
  • [21:30:32] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: well, I doubt FOSDEM is the best place for it, I mean you have to remember, FOSDEM is 90% actual developers
  • [21:30:33] <emeb> Crofton|work: you use NFS to get compiled apps over to beagle quick, or do you have to pull the SD, write & reboot?
  • [21:30:53] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: but given a guy with enough tech knowledge
  • [21:31:03] <Ikarus> and actually able to put down specific examples
  • [21:31:07] <Crofton|work> Ikarus, right
  • [21:31:25] <Crofton|work> emeb, all of the above
  • [21:31:43] <Crofton|work> it is not too bad, I am really good at it :)
  • [21:32:21] <Crofton|work> I think some guys have native compilers running on the beagle even :)
  • [21:32:28] <Crofton|work> but I work cross from with in
  • [21:32:32] <Ikarus> flo_lap: is that a devboard for the FX2 USB chip ?
  • [21:32:33] <emeb> Crofton|work: I could see having an NFS mounted on both x86 & beagle - you could compile in one window & run in another. Native would be ideal though.
  • [21:32:51] <Crofton|work> I run the gnuradio test code via nfs
  • [21:33:05] <emeb> that doesn't sound to bad.
  • [21:33:06] <Crofton|work> gnuradio has a bad habit of linking some test code at runtime though
  • [21:33:14] <Crofton|work> so I run it on the x86 to link
  • [21:33:17] <emeb> Urk!
  • [21:33:21] <Crofton|work> then re-run on beagle to do the test
  • [21:33:30] <Crofton|work> this is on my list of things to talk with eb about
  • [21:33:38] <Ikarus> flo_lap: http://www.lextronic.fr/P1884-platine-de-prototypage-fx2ww.html ? I am able to figure it out with one year of french, ask any questions you need when ordering :)
  • [21:33:41] <emeb> How does that work? x86 link can't run on beagle!
  • [21:33:50] <Ikarus> (no warranty, etc :P)
  • [21:33:53] <Crofton|work> libtool is involved ...
  • [21:34:00] <mru> gaaaah
  • [21:34:09] <Ikarus> Crofton|work: libtool *gets out demon repellents*
  • [21:34:13] <emeb> sounds hideous.
  • [21:34:20] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [21:34:24] <Ikarus> libtool has given me so many headaches so far
  • [21:34:28] <emeb> big incentive to go native.
  • [21:34:33] <Crofton|work> I need to work out what is going on and suggest changes
  • [21:34:42] <Crofton|work> but, for now I can do work
  • [21:34:56] <Crofton|work> not sure how long it will take to build gnuradio native
  • [21:35:19] <emeb> I do a lot of communications simulations in home-grown code. Do you think GNURadio could do that effectively?
  • [21:35:34] <flo_lap> Ikarus: It would be interesting to find out what they charge to ship to Germany and what payment methods they accept.
  • [21:35:43] <Crofton|work> emeb, it is very likely it could
  • [21:35:56] <Crofton|work> people are doing cool shit
  • [21:36:11] <Crofton|work> not all of it gets back to the community
  • [21:36:38] <emeb> Crofton|work: I'm interested in the way it uses python to connect C code.
  • [21:36:41] <Ikarus> flo_lap: little tip, just send them an e-mail in English at infos@lextronic.fr :)
  • [21:36:48] <emeb> connections between units are a big hassle.
  • [21:37:00] <Ikarus> flo_lap: most French companies do have some people who can read and write English :P
  • [21:37:09] <flo_lap> Ikarus: indeed
  • [21:37:53] <Crofton|work> fortunately, once connected, python is out of the way
  • [21:37:55] <flo_lap> Ikarus: in fact their shop seems to support multiple languages but it offers only one
  • [21:38:24] <Crofton|work> and soo/now you can write flow graphs without python even
  • [21:39:23] <Crofton|work> ok, time for dinner and movie
  • [21:39:29] <Crofton|work> tomorrow, NEON
  • [21:40:07] <emeb> bye
  • [21:40:18] <Crofton|work> l8r
  • [21:40:38] <Crofton|work> after the SDR Forum conference I should be on the FPGA mostly
  • [21:40:48] <Crofton|work> unless someone through money at me
  • [21:41:24] <emeb> get your money bag & hope.
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  • [22:00:13] <jbenedetto> emeb: does the bag need a giant dollar sign on the side or plain bags fine?
  • [22:01:20] <emeb> jbenedetto: :) $$ signs best, but not strictly required.
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  • [22:03:39] <jbenedetto> :D
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  • [22:08:45] <jbenedetto> emeb: i secretly want to get a beagleboard for the sole purpose of making a clone of Lela's wrist computer from Futurama
  • [22:09:17] <flo_lap> good night
  • [22:10:38] <emeb> jbenedetto: don't know Futurama well enough to catch the reference, but you better have a big wrist.
  • [22:12:31] <jbenedetto> emeb: yeah the board is largish. but could be negated with creative design. and a beefy arm.
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  • [22:13:29] <jbenedetto> emeb: http://www.americasnewstoday.com/images/futurama_leela.jpg
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  • [22:16:23] <jbenedetto> mw? never!
  • [22:16:31] <emeb> jbenedetto: I got my nephew a snowboarding jacket with a bluetooth control pad/display built into the sleeve. Looked kinda like that.
  • [22:16:49] <jbenedetto> cool
  • [22:16:58] <emeb> yeah - was pretty neat.
  • [22:19:24] <jbenedetto> :D
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