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  • [02:07:04] <IceD^> hello
  • [02:07:11] <IceD^> I get beagle crashing like:
  • [02:07:13] <IceD^> http://rafb.net/p/PGO4zB58.html
  • [02:07:19] <IceD^> any ideas how to fix this?
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  • [02:15:17] <nathanm> IceD^: You're asking about Beagle Search software -- this channel is for Beagle Board hardware.
  • [02:15:45] <IceD^> oops
  • [02:15:46] <IceD^> :)
  • [02:16:05] <IceD^> sorry ;)
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  • [02:36:15] <asm_2750> hello again, I got another question....I was able to compile console-image using OE...but im still a little confused, do I also use OE to compile my applications or do I use code sourcery to compile my applications and OE to compile my OS?
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  • [02:41:24] <nathanm> I use CodeSourcery to compile my apps. I guess you can put them into OE if you want, but only if you're thinking of eventually distributing them that way.
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  • [02:46:09] <bullwood42> What channel is beagleboard software?
  • [02:48:06] <gduncan> This is it.
  • [02:49:20] <nathanm> All things Beagle Board get discussed here.
  • [02:49:32] <asm_2750> thats good to know, it took a day to compile the console-image demo on my EPIA system
  • [02:51:18] <gduncan> I'm partitioning an SD card as per the BeagleBoardBeginners page and and getting a complaint about the number of cylinders being larger than 1024. Fdisk is reporting 10390 cyl.
  • [02:52:19] <gduncan> Then later fdisk gripes about partition 2 having an undefined type.
  • [02:52:27] <gduncan> Any suggestions?
  • [02:54:29] <gduncan> And why doesn't every modern device use LBA!? 2GB the size of my thumbnail and I gotta treat is like a 5.25" boat anchor!
  • [02:54:31] <nathanm> You have an SD card bigger than 8GB?
  • [02:55:34] <nathanm> A 2GB card should have ~260 cylinders if you do the geometry math right.
  • [02:55:36] <gduncan> Nope. It's a new 2GB. I don't think the hardware can handle SDHC
  • [02:55:51] <nathanm> It handles SDHC fine. I'm using an 8GB card right now.
  • [02:56:10] <gduncan> These are the values the card had when I took it from the package.
  • [02:56:45] <nathanm> Right, that's the 'Now we want to set the geometry' step. Those directions fix the warning.
  • [02:57:02] <gduncan> I have a 16GB, but I'd rather not complicate anything. This is my first time getting the board up.
  • [02:57:23] <gduncan> Maybe the second time around.
  • [02:57:25] <nathanm> You can probably ignore the warnings. Just carefully follow all the instructions and then if it doesn't work you can back track.
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  • [02:57:57] <gduncan> Does the partition the drive came with have to be deleted, or just step on the settings and format?
  • [02:58:46] <nathanm> You should delete that partition.
  • [02:59:15] <nathanm> The first step in SD card setup should clear your partition table thus wiping all partitions.
  • [03:01:46] <gduncan> I'm using bc to calculate the cylinders value. Anyone know bc's behavior with rounding?
  • [03:05:50] <gduncan> All good. Found my mistake.
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  • [03:21:52] <sweetlilmre> hi, getting a wierd configure failure on gtk+-1.2_1.2.10.bb (fresh build): http://pastebin.com/d536fbb9f any pointers?
  • [03:22:25] <sweetlilmre> (checked dash issue, sh is bash)
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  • [03:36:06] <ds2> ewwwwww
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  • [03:47:48] <sweetlilmre> ds2: yep :( some macro rename across gettext or something
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  • [03:55:05] <ds2> avoid libtool based crap :P
  • [03:55:32] <sweetlilmre> ds2: I wish I could :)
  • [03:56:04] <gduncan> The BeagleBoardBeginners doc says to 'cp u-boot /mnt/sda1', but the Anstrom demo images link only has a file called 'u-boot.bin'. Is this the right file, or do I need to keep looking?
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  • [03:56:50] <sweetlilmre> if its in your deploy..images folder then yes
  • [03:57:08] <ds2> sweetlilmre: it is always an option to avoid poorly written software
  • [03:57:15] <sweetlilmre> err sorry. I mean yes that is the one
  • [03:57:44] <sweetlilmre> ds2: not when you don't know what you are doing and someone else put the package together! :)
  • [03:57:45] <gduncan> Keep or omit the suffix?
  • [03:58:02] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: just "uImage"
  • [03:58:21] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: ignore me I am tired
  • [03:58:35] <gduncan> No worry.
  • [03:58:42] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: sorry thought you were talking about uImage (you shouldn't need uboot?)
  • [03:59:30] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: just copy uImage to first partition and untar the rootfs to the 2nd
  • [03:59:42] <gduncan> Yes. At the step where I am copying u-boot to the first partition.
  • [03:59:48] <gduncan> So u-boot isn't needed?
  • [03:59:53] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: not needed afaik
  • [04:00:07] <gduncan> Just uimage. Got it.
  • [04:00:23] <sweetlilmre> gduncan: remember to set boot args as well
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  • [04:06:04] <sweetlilmre> ds2: how weird... commenting AM_LC_MESSAGES in acinclude.m4 seems to fix it...
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  • [04:20:29] <TangerineHexode> what's a good kernel to start working with?
  • [04:36:23] <ds2> a working one ;)
  • [04:37:17] <TangerineHexode> i'm getting one from mvista.com
  • [04:38:38] <TangerineHexode> git://source.mvista.com/git/linux-omap-2.6.git
  • [04:40:13] <nathanm> That kernel doesn't work on BB without patches.
  • [04:40:32] <TangerineHexode> hmm
  • [04:41:02] <TangerineHexode> what do you guys reccomend?
  • [04:42:12] <sweetlilmre> depending on what you want to do, koen's demo image kernel is ok.
  • [04:42:56] <nathanm> Koen has the best kernels for BB right now in my opinion. He basically takes the latest linux-omap and applies all the needed patches for BB.
  • [04:43:56] <TangerineHexode> where would I get that?
  • [04:45:32] <nathanm> Here is a post with some links: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/2ad517c215a6dabe/bfc8acaa81fa44f8#bfc8acaa81fa44f8
  • [04:45:49] <nathanm> Also if you scrounge around in the directories containing those files, you'll find other versions of the kernel he has recently built.
  • [04:47:14] <nathanm> If you want to build your own kernel, the best approach is to go to the linux-omap mailing list archives and start reading. There is a lot of discussion about OMAP-3 and BeagleBoards and what patches are needed.
  • [04:49:01] <sweetlilmre> cheers all, see you later
  • [04:49:12] <TangerineHexode> nigght
  • [04:49:20] <TangerineHexode> i want to build my own
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  • [04:50:20] <nathanm> Go read the last week of linux-omap and you'll know what to do.
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  • [04:52:49] <TangerineHexode> where's the linux-omap list?
  • [04:53:17] <ds2> on vger.kernel.org
  • [04:53:37] <TangerineHexode> thx
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  • [05:16:47] <zuh> koen: Ok, I'll add that to my dictionary: "supported: adjective, a feature that prevents HW from booting"
  • [05:16:50] <zuh> ;)
  • [05:17:12] <zuh> +describes
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  • [05:20:32] <thephilosopher> allo guys
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  • [05:34:45] <_AV500_> 'lo
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  • [05:45:14] <thephilosopher> av500 hi there
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  • [06:13:54] <Wowbagger_> What is MLO?
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  • [06:16:03] <gduncan> What's the highest data read rate of the SD interface?
  • [06:22:46] <_AV500_> 50Mhz * 4 bit = 25mbytes/s
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  • [06:29:08] <Wowbagger_> I'm reading stuff about u-boot... if I do a "saveenv" so that it boots linux automatically, how can I get back into u-boot to reconfigure it?
  • [06:29:25] <GeneralAntilles> It gives you a window to stop the boot.
  • [06:29:31] <Wowbagger_> window?
  • [06:29:34] <Wowbagger_> I have no monitor
  • [06:29:35] <GeneralAntilles> period of time
  • [06:29:37] <Wowbagger_> ah
  • [06:29:42] <Wowbagger_> k
  • [06:30:07] <dirk2> Wowbagger_: MLO == x-loader image to be copied to MMC/SD cards for booting Beagle with MMC/SD
  • [06:30:19] <Wowbagger_> but all that's in nand already, no?
  • [06:30:49] <Wowbagger_> Can't I just put on the kernel, ramdisk, etc and config the on-board uboot?
  • [06:31:57] <Wowbagger_> I'm not clear on the boot process... is part of x-loader in the chip's rom?
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  • [06:32:51] <Wowbagger_> Is it rom(x-loader)->mlo->u-boot.bin->...?
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  • [07:04:30] <dirk2> Wowbagger_: It's ROM -> MLO (x-loader) -> u-boot.bin -> ....
  • [07:05:11] <Wowbagger_> k
  • [07:05:13] <Wowbagger_> thanks
  • [07:08:21] <gduncan> @_AV500_: Thanks.
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  • [07:12:35] <Wowbagger_> Is the only Angstrom image available the one on the main page? (the demo image) I was hoping for a more minimal one.
  • [07:13:59] <sweetlilmre|work> console-image maybe?
  • [07:14:28] <Wowbagger_> is there one made for beagle?
  • [07:14:53] <sweetlilmre|work> well you'd have to build it yourself...
  • [07:15:10] <sweetlilmre|work> I don't believe that there is a binary avail?
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  • [07:25:49] <mru> morning
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  • [07:48:58] <gduncan> So how long does the first boot of a new board take after configuring the SD card? Should there be anything on the console.
  • [07:49:20] <chakie_work> several minutes
  • [07:49:36] <chakie_work> afaik no extra output
  • [07:50:04] <gduncan> Is there a default video mode?
  • [07:50:12] <chakie_work> no idea
  • [07:51:05] <gduncan> What is it doing this one time?
  • [07:52:12] <chakie_work> various configuration
  • [07:52:37] <chakie_work> i've never had any display connected to my beagle, only a serial console
  • [07:52:52] <chakie_work> but let it work, it'll wake up :)
  • [07:56:02] <dirk2> gduncan: Yes, you should have x-loader, u-boot and kernel messages on serial console. If you boot Koen's Angstrom demo image, it takes some time *after* kernel mounted root fs. But until there, you should see all serial console output.
  • [07:57:18] <gduncan> I've had bupkis after "Hit any key to stop autoboot: 0" for about five minutes now.
  • [07:58:06] <chakie_work> you should see more than that
  • [07:58:26] <dirk2> gduncan: Do you have u-boot prompt? Did you hit a key to stop autoboot?
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  • [07:59:11] <gduncan> I can get the prompt. Is there a way to read the environment variables I set?
  • [07:59:24] <dirk2> gduncan: printenv
  • [08:00:09] <dirk2> gduncan: Try to power cycle and not stop autoboot, i.e. not hitting a key ;)
  • [08:02:15] <gduncan> I'm guessing I gave it 7-8 minutes. Before I do, is there a way to test to see if it likes my SD card?
  • [08:05:14] <dirk2> gduncan: No, at u-boot level before kernel boots you don't have to wait. SD card check: Mount it on PC. If you see a FAT partition with uImage, this is okay. Then, on BeagleBoard, if your U-Boot environment is ok, it should tell you "reading uImage" or "failed reading uImage" or sth like this.
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  • [08:07:35] <gduncan> No windows PC. I only have an Ubuntu system, and a Powerbook.
  • [08:08:29] <gduncan> But I can see MLO, u-boot.bin, and uImage
  • [08:08:41] <gduncan> On the fat 16
  • [08:08:46] <gduncan> er, 32
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  • [08:12:27] <sweetlilmre|work> mru: gm :)
  • [08:14:16] <gduncan> I'm powering via a normal USB A to mini B. Could that be preventing a boot?
  • [08:17:49] <gduncan> Woo-hoo!!! Kernel messages!!
  • [08:21:37] <dirk2> gduncan: :) Bye
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  • [11:33:51] <Crofton|work> anyone have any thoughts about using ext2 versus ext3 on the SD card?
  • [11:34:12] <GeneralAntilles> No fscking if it crashes.
  • [11:34:21] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [11:34:37] <GeneralAntilles> The question is, does the journaling significantly affect card life?
  • [11:34:55] <GeneralAntilles> It seems unlikely
  • [11:35:29] <GeneralAntilles> and with as cheap as flash memory is these days, by the time it might actually kill it, cards that are twice the size will be a quarter of the price.
  • [11:35:39] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [11:35:55] <GeneralAntilles> The benefits probably outweigh the pitfalls
  • [11:35:59] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [11:36:05] <GeneralAntilles> I use ext3 on my N800.
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  • [11:40:05] <shriram> has anyone tested nanddevice on evm/beagle?
  • [11:40:30] <shriram> am seeing some ECC errors when i run the nand tests
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  • [11:46:36] <geist> shouldn't make much of a difference with ext2 vs ext3
  • [11:46:48] <geist> SD cards have their own internal wear levelling
  • [11:47:17] <geist> so even if youw rite to the same location logically (the journal) it's really spreading it around
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  • [11:57:16] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: did you get my spam about the gettext/gtk+ issue?
  • [11:59:38] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [11:59:47] <Crofton|work> not sure what is up
  • [11:59:53] <Crofton|work> you might try asking in #oe
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  • [11:59:59] <Crofton|work> also have you updateed lately
  • [12:00:08] <Crofton|work> people have been fooling around with gettext
  • [12:01:03] <sweetlilmre|work> yeah that happened after I pulled that commit I mentioned. :) pretty easy fix, I can even send you a patch if you like?
  • [12:01:33] <Crofton|work> check in #oe
  • [12:01:38] <sweetlilmre|work> wilco
  • [12:01:41] <Crofton|work> maybe someone is alreasy looking at it
  • [12:02:18] <sweetlilmre|work> err could you /msg me the stuff I msgd you, if you still haveit? (that is at home and I can't remember the specifics)
  • [12:02:35] <Crofton|work> urg
  • [12:02:48] <Crofton|work> I may have closed that
  • [12:02:54] <sweetlilmre|work> if not, no worries :)
  • [12:03:06] <Crofton|work> didn't find it ...
  • [12:03:08] <Crofton|work> sorry
  • [12:03:12] <sweetlilmre|work> np
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  • [12:05:43] <dcordes_> somebody has a working 2.6.27 rc? for beagle?
  • [12:06:03] <Crofton|work> We have it in oe
  • [12:06:34] <dcordes_> I built from the latest git yesterday and it gave me linux-omap2-2.6.26-r64
  • [12:07:04] <Crofton|work> in beagleboard.conf, change linux-omap2 to linux-omap
  • [12:07:21] <pbrook> Some older/smaller SD cards don't have [effective] wear levelling, so the ext3 journal can kill them really quickly. If you go for e.g. 4G class6 cards you should be ok though.
  • [12:07:25] <dcordes_> Crofton|work: alright thanks
  • [12:08:07] <Crofton|work> each kernel has its benefits and problems
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  • [12:09:09] <dcordes_> Crofton|work: I want 2.6.27 because of the added gspca support
  • [12:10:06] <Crofton|work> let me know if we need to enable that module
  • [12:12:15] <dcordes_> thanks, I get the patched and configured source from OE and then reconfigure and build manually. still I could imagine many people would like it. also rt73usb which I think was disabled in the 2.6.26 beagle OE builds
  • [12:13:05] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: is that the only conf change? not MACHINE_FEATURES?
  • [12:13:26] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: err I think that was a stoopid q ... :)
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  • [12:16:46] <Crofton|work> sweetlilmre|work, to change kernel, yes
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  • [12:18:30] <sweetlilmre|work> ah yes, new kernel is getting fetched as we speak.
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  • [12:28:25] <dcordes_> Crofton|work: that worked well
  • [12:28:39] <Crofton|work> great
  • [12:28:43] <Crofton|work> driver is availabel
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  • [12:49:15] <Beagle2> allo
  • [12:49:22] <Beagle2> still no rev C?
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  • [13:17:04] <GeneralAntilles> Beagle2, is it November already?
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  • [13:43:24] <kulve> I thought I could feed YUV420 to omapfb without any color conversions?
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  • [13:47:27] <felipec> kulve: nope only 4:2:2
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  • [14:30:58] <sweetlilmre> Crofton|Work: another odd issue in XMMS, error: http://pastebin.com/d306fcc3e makefile excert: http://pastebin.com/m76dbf809
  • [14:31:36] <sweetlilmre> seems @MKINSTALLDIRS@ is not being expanded correctly?
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  • [14:37:35] <sweetlilmre> fixed it by changing: MKINSTALLDIRS = @MKINSTALLDIRS@ to MKINSTALLDIRS = ../makeinstalldirs
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  • [14:39:13] <Crofton|work> sweetlilmre, I've got a few things i need to finish, some of your questions may get faster answers in #oe
  • [14:39:19] <Crofton|work> and they can also fix stuff
  • [14:39:51] <sweetlilmre> Crofton|work: no worries, just wanted to keep you informed. I will pop this in #oe as well
  • [14:40:09] <Crofton|work> I'm over there also :)
  • [14:41:24] <sweetlilmre> :) how do I differentiate beagleboard from oe issues? or should I always post in #oe?
  • [14:42:05] <Crofton|work> well, things like generic build issues should flow to #oe
  • [14:42:22] <Crofton|work> basically, there are fewer oe people here
  • [14:42:28] <Crofton|work> and we may be busy on other things
  • [14:42:43] <Crofton|work> I would idle in #oe and you sill get a feel for things
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  • [14:49:40] <sweetlilmre> too late :)
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  • [14:55:01] <Crofton|work> I meant follow the discussion in the future
  • [14:55:03] <Crofton|work> :)
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  • [15:04:44] <kulve> felipec: yeah, we read that from the driver, but I couldn't believe it since I remembered something rubbish :)
  • [15:05:13] <kulve> felipec: and to your earlier question: No, I was in U.S. almost whole week, so I haven't had the time to test the OMX/DSP stuff more :/
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  • [15:22:04] <shriram> has anyone tried the new display framework proposed by TI ppl?
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  • [15:54:03] <kulve> we tested the zuh's XV driver a bit and when the XV driver asks the fb driver to scale the video (320x240 -> 336x256) the screen goes boom. Any ideas if the scaling should work in the current (2 weeks old trunk) kernel?
  • [15:55:36] <shriram> kulve: are you referring to Tomi Valkeinen's patch
  • [15:55:46] <kulve> no
  • [15:55:55] <kulve> I guess that's not in the linux-omap yet?
  • [15:55:57] <shriram> im looking at Hardik shah's patch
  • [15:56:49] <shriram> both follow different ways of accessing video pipelines
  • [15:57:03] <shriram> one uses fb driver and other uses v4l2
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  • [16:43:42] <johnnyanalog> still messing around with omapfbplay, should the big buck bunny video at 720p play at 24fps all the way through? on my board the buffers slowly drop down to zero then build back up, so the framerate drops from time to time
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  • [17:49:05] <markit> any reserller in Italy / europe?
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  • [17:53:12] <mru> johnnyanalog: on a normal beagle board, the buffers will drain to zero in a few places when playing BBB
  • [17:55:18] <markit> anyone using these boards/sensors? http://www.phidgets.com/
  • [18:04:33] <nathanm> I met somebody using them with a BeagleBoard last week but he's not on the channel.
  • [18:05:56] <nathanm> He had a Phidgets 8/8/8 working with Angstrom.
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  • [20:28:27] <jkridner> ds2: you mean the TV raffle. yeah! I just lugged that thing home. cost $100 to check it onto the airplane!
  • [20:30:02] <jkridner> prpplague: I'm not aware of anyone selling OMAP w/ POP memory attached. We are assembling Beagles by attaching PoP memory and the board to the OMAP at the same time.
  • [20:32:36] <GeneralAntilles> I'd like to see somebody ship a minipc of some sort with an OMAP3440.
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  • [20:34:12] <mru> I've heard rumours of someone working on a pc-like thing based on cortex-a8
  • [20:34:31] <mru> and that's all I've heard, so don't ask for details
  • [20:35:45] <ds2> jkridner: they gave it to you?! I heard they called your name twice then moved on
  • [20:36:09] <jkridner> they called the next guy, but he didn't answer before I showed up.
  • [20:36:20] <jkridner> I explained that I had no idea where they were calling my name from.
  • [20:36:25] <ds2> oh haha
  • [20:36:31] <jkridner> the speakers were situated away from the stand.
  • [20:36:38] <mru> what did you win?
  • [20:36:39] <ds2> the exhibit hall was pretty light
  • [20:36:50] <jkridner> 32" wide screen 720P TV.
  • [20:36:55] <jkridner> LCD.
  • [20:37:04] <ds2> with HDMI inputs? ;)
  • [20:37:06] * mru has 40" 1080p
  • [20:37:08] <mru> 4xHDMI
  • [20:37:09] <jkridner> yes.
  • [20:37:14] <mru> lovely screen
  • [20:37:26] <jkridner> 3 or 4 HDMI inputs.
  • [20:37:31] <ds2> so when will the patches for the right timing show up? ;)
  • [20:37:39] <jkridner> debating to set it up in the guest bedroom or as a computer monitor. :)
  • [20:37:43] <mru> I can recommend samsung TVs
  • [20:38:01] <jkridner> mru's patches work pretty well, from what I've tried with HDTVs so far.
  • [20:38:08] <ds2> why not run Sony's and have another Linux running appliance around? ;)
  • [20:38:20] <mru> without the dsi pll we can't get exact timings
  • [20:38:27] <jkridner> the TV is a Samsung 450.
  • [20:38:30] <mru> those nokia patches should get it right
  • [20:38:32] <jkridner> 3 HDMI inputs.
  • [20:38:41] <mru> jkridner: that's so last generation ;-)
  • [20:40:00] <jkridner> k. well, I've used some HDTVs that don't support the monitor resolutions (like 1024x768) using Koen's build with mru's patches and bootargs and they have worked nicely for me so far. hopefully the DSI patches will show up soon, but I haven't been pushing hard for them lately.
  • [20:40:30] <jkridner> well, thought I would check in, but I'm going to unpack now.
  • [20:40:31] <mru> the problem is that there are two contending patch sets
  • [20:40:40] <jkridner> oh?
  • [20:40:43] <mru> the messy TI ones, and the nice, clean nokia ones
  • [20:40:59] <jkridner> are there functional differences?
  • [20:41:11] <mru> the core functionality should be roughly the same
  • [20:41:19] <jkridner> I guess you are saying this is tightly in the power management code, eh?
  • [20:41:22] <felipec> fb vs v4l2
  • [20:41:26] <mru> the nokia version doesn't yet have v4l2 userspace interface
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  • [20:41:35] <no1234> hi
  • [20:42:02] <jkridner> anyone working on merging the v4l2 functionality into the nokia code?
  • [20:42:03] <mru> the TI driver is missing some things that the nokia one has
  • [20:42:20] <no1234> I've got a question about the beagleboard
  • [20:42:37] <jkridner> no1234: just ask, don't ask to ask. :)
  • [20:43:10] <jkridner> beagleboard questions are always welcome.
  • [20:43:17] <no1234> I bought one some days ago and tried to get it working.
  • [20:43:20] <no1234> thanks :-)
  • [20:43:28] <mru> questions good, patches better
  • [20:43:51] <no1234> but actually I don't get the serial connection to work
  • [20:44:25] <mru> here we go again...
  • [20:44:27] <jkridner> did you RTM (read-the-manual)? BBSRM_B5.pdf
  • [20:44:45] <no1234> I red that there should be three led on after powering on the board but there is only one of them on
  • [20:45:06] <jkridner> there is a section specifically dedicated to debugging serial port issues.
  • [20:45:09] <no1234> i got the B5 version
  • [20:45:24] <jkridner> there is another one in the FAQ.
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  • [20:45:53] <jkridner> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Serial_connection_.231
  • [20:46:05] <jkridner> no1234: follow the above link to debug your serial port issue.
  • [20:46:05] <no1234> well i red alot but i just go and read more and come back if i don't get it
  • [20:46:25] <thephilosopher> allo guys
  • [20:46:28] <no1234> thanks so far
  • [20:47:06] <thephilosopher> have you guys seen the SGx reverse engenieering post on pandora dev ??
  • [20:47:20] <jkridner> no1234: hopefully the FAQ will fix your problems, but if not then hopefully you can come back with a more specific description of your status.
  • [20:47:26] <mru> thephilosopher: someone working on it?
  • [20:47:29] * ds2 does the happy dance - "We have brought out all of the LCD signals to a pair of headers. ...."
  • [20:47:39] <Stskeeps> jkridner: i certainly found out my stolen-from-mobo db->idc cable + null modem didn't do the trick with step 2 of the troubleshooting.. waiting for cables atm :P
  • [20:47:45] <thephilosopher> mru: yea and he seems to know what he is talking about
  • [20:48:05] <mru> RE isn't difficult if you know your stuff
  • [20:48:25] <thephilosopher> mru: even modern hardware ?
  • [20:48:25] <jkridner> stskeeps: sorry to hear that. we thought we picked the most common one (AT/Everex), but it seems to be more of a 50/50 split.
  • [20:48:26] <mru> if you know the problem domain and the machine architecture, it's pretty straight forward
  • [20:48:38] <thephilosopher> mru have experience in RE?
  • [20:48:46] <mru> I've dabbled
  • [20:49:03] <thephilosopher> mru: ?
  • [20:49:15] <felipec> jkridner: I think many people have said that v4l2 for rendering is only used by TI
  • [20:49:23] <Stskeeps> jkridner: well, thank god i have a electrical workshop at uni to help out with odd cables ;) looking forward to getting connection going. we're making pervasive healthcare prototypes for hip surgery patients with them :P
  • [20:49:42] <ds2> mru: Iaren't there gstreamer plugins for v4l2 rendering from TI?
  • [20:49:43] <jkridner> felipec: it is at least used by many TI customers.
  • [20:49:58] <mru> that's because TI doesn't give them another choice
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  • [20:50:46] <jkridner> does v4l2 not provide good overlay options using the DSS/VPBE?
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  • [20:51:07] <mru> v4l is a PITA
  • [20:51:12] <jkridner> stskeeps: cool!
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  • [20:52:08] <jkridner> mru: the feedback I've gotten leads me to believe (and I haven't really toyed with it) that V4L provides a lot of useful opportunities to use hardware acceleration beyond what is in FBDEV.
  • [20:52:13] <ds2> a second fb device for overlaying may help OMAP supplant some PXA code as their 'standard' seems to be a second fb
  • [20:53:06] <mru> v4l lets you use access stuff like hardware mpeg codecs
  • [20:53:07] <jkridner> could a second fb and a v4l window share the same hardware?
  • [20:53:09] <mru> omap doesn't have that
  • [20:53:14] <prpplague> jkridner: yea i was wondering about that
  • [20:53:30] <prpplague> jkridner: the samsung s3c64xx series you order with everything pre-installed
  • [20:53:30] <ds2> probally... just make the open() fail if the other version is used
  • [20:54:01] <ds2> mru: couldn't the DSP version of the CODECs be mapped through that?
  • [20:54:19] <jkridner> prpplague: I've heard of people doing that, but I don't think TI offers it (or needs to).
  • [20:54:20] <mru> there are better ways of using the dsp
  • [20:54:57] <ds2> mru: such as?
  • [20:55:00] <jkridner> better, probably, but what about the ease?
  • [20:55:15] <mru> V4L is *not* easy
  • [20:55:45] <jkridner> ease relative to talking to the DSP in the middle of processing?
  • [20:56:06] <jkridner> I've only done very simple things with V4L and the buffer management code was already written.
  • [20:56:21] <jkridner> (put it at a certain location and dumped video to it)
  • [20:56:33] <mru> the buffer management is hell, and every driver seems to do it differently
  • [20:57:22] <felipec> jkridner: you would need to do things through the dsp anyway
  • [20:59:04] <jkridner> are things stuck on the mailing list?
  • [20:59:15] <jkridner> does there seem to be trend towards a solution?
  • [20:59:41] <felipec> I guess not all the codecs are in the v4l2 API, so somebody would have to do that, then implement the DSP related stuff on the v4l2 drivers, then improve the user-space multimedia stuff to use it
  • [21:00:03] * jkridner is agnostic in fb vs v4l2, but I didn't think it was obvious to go fb-only at all.
  • [21:00:30] <felipec> and then if you want decode audio on the DSP you have to access it directly, so why bother with v4l2?
  • [21:02:25] <jkridner> someone must find v4l2 useful.
  • [21:02:37] <jkridner> (for something other than camera capture)
  • [21:03:27] <felipec> jkridner: I don't care if TI wants to have a v4l2 driver, but fb is simple and it's what everybody is using, so I don't know why force v4l2
  • [21:04:30] <geist> because it lets you get to the overlay features of the chip
  • [21:04:31] <mru> people find the craziest things useful
  • [21:04:50] <mru> geist: the omapfb driver gives full access to the overlay features
  • [21:04:59] <geist> oh well, then I dunno
  • [21:05:17] <geist> guess flks use v4l2 because then your api is written to it and you dont have to rely on driver specific tweaks
  • [21:05:18] <ds2> maybe certain software vendors was convinced to change their code over to v4l2 ?
  • [21:05:23] <geist> yeah
  • [21:05:28] <geist> not everything is omap
  • [21:05:34] <mru> with v4l2 you *always* seem to need driver-specific hacks
  • [21:05:37] <vlad_> does gstreamer/xvideo know how to use the overlay stuff?
  • [21:06:06] <ds2> there probally is a version of gstreamer plugins that know about the overlay stuff
  • [21:06:06] <mru> trick question: what is the fastest video player for omap3?
  • [21:06:31] <geist> define fastest?
  • [21:06:31] <jkridner> TI has provided GStreamer sinks for V4L2.
  • [21:06:33] <felipec> geist: my point is, even if v4l2 was better than fb, why avoid fb?
  • [21:06:45] <felipec> jkridner: where?
  • [21:06:54] <suihkulokki> I believe in the non-davinci area, V4L2 as output is quite rare
  • [21:06:59] <geist> felipec: because if everyone else does v4l2 to get to their video plane, then it's nice not to have to rewrite your software
  • [21:07:00] <mru> geist: lowest cpu usage for given video
  • [21:07:08] <geist> but that's really the only reason i can think so
  • [21:07:17] <mru> geist: *nobody* uses v4l2 for playback
  • [21:07:30] <ds2> uh...
  • [21:07:32] <geist> news to me
  • [21:07:34] <jkridner> felipec: looking. http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsplash.tsp?contentId=3100 looks old.
  • [21:07:45] <suihkulokki> VDR being the mandatory expection to the rule
  • [21:07:47] <ds2> not no body, there is at least 1 non TI entity that is using it
  • [21:07:50] <geist> i've got cpus from at least two different vendors that have v4l2
  • [21:08:03] <mru> vdr didn't even compile last I tried
  • [21:08:15] <geist> but this is a good point. I didn't even bother to see if omapfb supports the video plane
  • [21:08:23] <geist> when i fooled with it last i assumed you needed v4l2, which is a pain
  • [21:08:28] <ds2> granted, they are using it on a OMAP3 platform
  • [21:08:34] <geist> i'll reevaluate it, and maybe i can filter it out
  • [21:08:39] <geist> ds2: I've seen it on non omap cpus
  • [21:08:52] <geist> other vendors have implemented v4l2 as the way to get to their video plane
  • [21:08:56] <suihkulokki> even then, the fact that VDR required v4l2 was discouragment enough for me to not use it :P
  • [21:09:11] <geist> cept i can't talk about it much more than that
  • [21:09:12] <jkridner> hmmm.... http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php?title=GStreamer shows an fbdev sink.
  • [21:09:28] <geist> and anyway, v4l2 is a pain, and it makes the omap driver already much more complicated than it needs to be
  • [21:09:30] <ds2> geist: don't doubt that... I just think a compromise is to expose that through both interfaces so people can migrate easily
  • [21:09:36] <geist> especially since the driver is mostly crap
  • [21:10:19] <johnnyanalog> following the directions to set up oe at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit, what exactly does vm.mmap_min_addr = 0 in sysctl.conf do? after i changed that my host system crashed and freezes during boot
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  • [21:10:50] <johnnyanalog> sorry, i meant vm.vdso_enabled = 0
  • [21:11:02] <jkridner> hmmm... I'm not sure what osssink is ... http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php?title=DM3xx_Gstreamer_Solution
  • [21:11:14] <ds2> osssink should be sound output via OSS
  • [21:11:20] <ds2> i.e /dev/dsp instead of ALSA
  • [21:11:23] <jkridner> ahh. sound.
  • [21:11:31] <jkridner> sorry, had video stuck on the head.
  • [21:12:22] <jkridner> well, I know it was done, but maybe only released to a small number of people. I'm out next week, but I can start yelling about it the week after.
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  • [21:12:58] * jkridner is aggravated by open source development behind closed doors.
  • [21:13:35] <jkridner> so, are the nokia fbdev and ti v4l2 drivers unmergeable?
  • [21:13:47] <mru> I wouldn't attempt it
  • [21:13:58] <mru> I don't know if there is any common code
  • [21:14:11] <felipec> jkridner: hm, part of this could have been merged upstream... but nobody from gst heard about that
  • [21:14:18] <mru> the nokia driver reuses some of the current l-o driver code
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  • [21:15:06] <jkridner> I attempted to notify GStreamer folks about the DaVinci effort, but responses were extremely slow.
  • [21:15:09] <ds2> does the current ti v4l2 driver at least move or break apart display lib?
  • [21:16:16] <suihkulokki> I haven't looked at neither N or TI DSS libs closely, but since both are open source, merging by definition is not impossible
  • [21:16:18] <jkridner> doh! I *just* checked and there is a response! http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13098
  • [21:16:32] <felipec> jkridner: response from gst? those tarballs are like a complete distribution
  • [21:16:33] <suihkulokki> it might be hard, but probably the bigger problem is to get over ego issues
  • [21:17:26] <felipec> jkridner: which is very common on TI deliverables, if there was a standalone v4l2 element ready to be reviewed and merged it would be easier
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  • [21:18:53] <felipec> jkridner: not to mention that now gst is moving towards git, so the account is irrelevant
  • [21:19:37] <jkridner> remember that TI software engineering teams have historically delivered complete solutions to customers. working with the community is new to just about every development team I encounter and it takes time to educate.
  • [21:20:05] * mru doesn't want a "complete solution"
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  • [21:20:14] <jkridner> felipec: the real point was more to start the dialog, but I have not had enough time.
  • [21:20:16] <felipec> jkridner: I know, I've been working there :)
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  • [21:20:16] <mru> it's never really that complete when all comes around
  • [21:20:28] <jkridner> mru: understood. that's part of the education.
  • [21:21:30] <jkridner> that's is a lot of why there is NO SDK for the beagleboard. some people are really frustrated by that, but my solution to avoiding the canned product phenomenon was to ship no software.
  • [21:22:07] <Crofton|work> jkridner, there is "open source" and "open source communities"
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  • [21:22:48] <jkridner> felipec: having the "ok" to start providing some patches to the mailing list with the administers knowing what our goals are gives me the green light to tell the developer it is part of their task.
  • [21:22:59] <roberto> Guten Abend alle miteinander / Good evening folks :-)
  • [21:23:07] <no1234> hi! back again. I get no output on rs232, dvi, or audio. After I plug in the 5V powersupply the powerled is turning on and nothing else is happening no more leds no sound no graphics no data on terminal (got the right adapter and a null modem cable). What could be wrong? I believe the two leds USR0 and USR1 should turn on, don't they? is there a defect or is this normal?
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  • [21:23:29] <prpplague> jkridner: that is our attitude with the hammer as well
  • [21:23:31] <no1234> sorry for my english, i am from germany.
  • [21:23:43] <jkridner> if the flash is programmed properly (as the board is shipped) the USR0/USR1 would turn on.
  • [21:23:48] <ds2> i need faster wireless network
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  • [21:24:41] <Crofton|work> jkridner, we should get some people to try the toolchain packages we can extract from OE
  • [21:24:54] <Crofton|work> although I suspect you mean a far more complete sdk
  • [21:25:21] <mru> what exactly *is* an sdk?
  • [21:25:27] <jkridner> OE is difficult for people to start, especially if not familiar with Linux.
  • [21:25:31] <Crofton|work> mru, exactly
  • [21:25:32] <mru> to me it seems to be something that gets in your way
  • [21:25:40] <ds2> btw, if anyone want to see another example of a mounted beagle board (not a full blown case) - http://www.hy-research.com/beagle/beagle6a-mini.jpg
  • [21:25:43] <Crofton|work> mru, you are the exception
  • [21:25:49] <jkridner> mru: primarily because it is something that is finite.
  • [21:26:13] <ds2> yes, "SDK"s are a waste of time, IMO
  • [21:26:21] <jkridner> software development should not be limited by a finite boundary for broad development.
  • [21:26:22] <ds2> complete specs and fully open docs are much more useful
  • [21:26:39] <no1234> well what could be wrong? what can i do?
  • [21:26:42] <felipec> jkridner: that's kind of chicken and egg, you can't expect gst guys to know what the DaVinci guys are doing. It's the extended community that is interested
  • [21:26:48] * jkridner must be leaving for dinner now.
  • [21:27:26] <jkridner> felipec: understood. I must prod both sides however.
  • [21:27:33] <no1234> I didnt flash anything. I plugged in an sdcard and the serial adapter to get the beagle board to start from the sd card.
  • [21:27:50] <jkridner> sorry no1234. hopefully someone will continue with you.
  • [21:27:59] <no1234> ok
  • [21:28:01] <no1234> thanks
  • [21:31:02] <felipec> jkridner: I'm not sure about that, there's a lot of gst plugins that are developed out of tree, there's no need for the blessing of gst developers
  • [21:31:03] <no1234> someone there who could help me? (german or english)
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  • [21:33:26] <robclark> no1234: I'm not an expert on beagle itself, but if the beagle comes flashed with *something*, did you try without the SD-card plugged in? (I assume if there is an SD-card, it will try to boot from that)
  • [21:34:36] <mru> it comes with u-boot flashed
  • [21:34:51] <mru> booting without a card should give you a command prompt
  • [21:34:52] <Stskeeps> no1234: what happens when you don't have don't have rs232 cable on? (your only one light comes up thing?)
  • [21:35:09] <mru> no1234: how are you powering it?
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  • [21:41:15] <TangerineHexode> mru: you keep a patched OMAP linux tree open to the world?
  • [21:41:31] <mru> yes
  • [21:41:42] <TangerineHexode> 26 or 27?
  • [21:41:50] <TangerineHexode> and is it failrly stable?
  • [21:42:04] <TangerineHexode> fairly?
  • [21:42:27] <mru> it's at .27-rc7 at the moment
  • [21:42:40] <mru> I usually sync it at least once a week
  • [21:42:43] <johnnyanalog> anyone on the vm.vdso_enabled = 0 issue?
  • [21:42:49] <mru> depends on how much beagle hacking I'm doing
  • [21:43:04] <mru> the bits that I use seem stable enough
  • [21:43:16] <TangerineHexode> i'm just looking for a kernel to start with
  • [21:43:42] <mru> I'd suggest the OE kernel as a starting point
  • [21:43:49] <mru> a lot of people use it
  • [21:43:57] <mru> and it has most of my patches
  • [21:44:01] <TangerineHexode> ok
  • [21:44:12] <mru> should be easier to get help if something goes wrong
  • [21:46:42] <no1234> mru: 5v dc powersupply
  • [21:47:06] <mru> no1234: are you sure the power supply is good?
  • [21:47:08] <no1234> shipped from digikey
  • [21:47:13] <mru> ok
  • [21:47:19] <no1234> so should be
  • [21:47:19] <mru> you could try usb just in case
  • [21:47:34] <no1234> usb via the otg port?
  • [21:47:39] <mru> yes
  • [21:47:41] <no1234> ok I try
  • [21:48:51] <no1234> same result :-( only one led is on
  • [21:49:21] <mru> which one?
  • [21:49:33] <no1234> pwr
  • [21:52:16] <no1234> any other idea?
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  • [21:54:18] <TangerineHexode> no1234: the rs232 adapter is ok?
  • [21:54:24] <TangerineHexode> it's the right kind?
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  • [21:55:46] <no1234> well i think ist is i checked the pins with a multimeter according to http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm
  • [21:57:27] <TangerineHexode> when you say you get nothing over serial, is it nothing or just noise?
  • [21:57:40] <no1234> and the cable should work. at least i can connect it :-)
  • [21:57:50] <no1234> no its just nothing
  • [21:58:11] <TangerineHexode> there are 2 cables with the same format but different wiring
  • [21:58:35] <TangerineHexode> and you are lining the red wire on the cable with pin 1?
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  • [21:58:57] <no1234> yes
  • [22:00:02] <TangerineHexode> null modem cable?
  • [22:00:42] <no1234> ok i go and test mine.
  • [22:03:48] <Stskeeps> no1234: did you try if the board boots when it's barebones (nothing but power supply)?
  • [22:04:38] <Stskeeps> (all three LEDs)
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  • [22:07:47] <no1234> nop only one led
  • [22:08:34] <Stskeeps> and rs232 is disconnected too?
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  • [22:09:56] <no1234> everything disconnected!
  • [22:10:05] <no1234> but 5v power of corse :-)
  • [22:10:38] <no1234> how long should it take the two other leds to enlight?
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  • [22:11:27] <Stskeeps> takes 2-3 secs at max for me
  • [22:12:56] <no1234> ok
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  • [22:31:04] <no1234> so checked the cable. its a null modem cable
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  • [22:31:30] <no1234> so everythings correctly wired concerning rs232
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  • [22:35:47] <no1234> i also tried the serial cable loopback test. everthings fine so the rs232 isn't the fault.
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  • [22:43:30] <no1234> Stskeeps: any other idea?
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  • [22:47:28] <Stskeeps> no1234: no clue though, it worries me that it doesn't boot up sanely when it's on it's own though
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  • [22:52:35] <no1234> should I send an rma request or is there any other chance to get it up working?
  • [22:54:44] <nathanm> I saw a BeagleBoard cooked by too much voltage and it did just what you're describing. Even software-bricked BeagleBoards usually light two LEDs.
  • [22:57:31] <no1234> The Powersupply is from digi-key and i never plugged any else into. So i can't imagine how there would be an overvoltage. but i go check the powersupply.
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  • [22:58:18] <no1234> 5.18V should be ok shouldn't it?
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  • [23:00:38] <nathanm> Yeah, I think the upper limit was 5.5V.
  • [23:01:03] <nathanm> Not saying you broke it, just saying it sounds broken. :/
  • [23:01:45] <no1234> crap :-)
  • [23:02:37] <no1234> well I was so looking forward to it. Already prepared the SD card with a debian installation
  • [23:03:05] <no1234> thanks alot to everyone trying to help me
  • [23:03:58] <no1234> will send it back. hopefully the new one will make it!
  • [23:05:15] <no1234> nice channel! bye!
  • [23:09:25] <gduncan> Anyone happen to have the link to the hi-def example videos?
  • [23:09:40] <gduncan> Something involving a bunny.
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  • [23:24:02] <gduncan> Found it.
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  • [23:35:42] <calculus> gduncan: there is also elephant's dream done the year before
  • [23:36:32] <gduncan> What is preferred? MP4 or h.264?
  • [23:38:40] <calculus> I am not sure what omapfbplay is set to decode
  • [23:38:57] <calculus> or what is suitable for the beagleboard
  • [23:39:15] <gduncan> How about mplayer? Does one format perform better?
  • [23:41:48] <calculus> that would probably be a question for koen or mru to answer
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