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  • [05:16:25] <jediborger> hey does anyone know what xorg video driver I need for the integrated graphics on the beagleboard? I would rather not have to compile everything to find out what I really need to keep.
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  • [05:51:30] <ds2> the fb driver should work
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  • [07:15:02] <chakie_work> hm, is it true that the beagleboard has no ethernet?
  • [07:17:39] <kulve> yes
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  • [07:17:55] <kulve> you can plug usb-ethernet though
  • [07:20:13] <chakie_work> that slightly maked the "small size" redundant
  • [07:20:17] <chakie_work> "makes"
  • [07:21:19] <kulve> it would be anything but small and cheap, if it would have all the hardware somebody wants
  • [07:21:26] <chakie_work> otoh, what i really want i wifi so that my car mp3 player could sync when i get home
  • [07:21:36] <chakie_work> of course
  • [07:21:47] <chakie_work> but i don't for example see anyone doing s-video in 2008
  • [07:21:48] <kulve> usb wifi is small too
  • [07:22:11] <kulve> chakie_work: yeah, it's probably quite useless as it has dvi too..
  • [07:22:41] <chakie_work> i don't see the dvi connector as related in any way
  • [07:23:15] <chakie_work> dvi is at least something that's used today
  • [07:25:43] <chakie_work> would have liked to reserve the usb for mass storage
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  • [08:01:04] <koen> good morning all
  • [08:04:36] <Navi> The DVI connector could be considered as slightly related.
  • [08:05:07] <chakie_work> i guess the same chip handles it?
  • [08:05:09] <Navi> Both are methods of output, and all you need is a DVI-D to HDMI cable
  • [08:05:29] <Navi> Wait, I'm a bit lost
  • [08:05:43] <chakie_work> s-video was big in the 1990:s though :)
  • [08:05:54] <Navi> Ah, you're complaining about size?
  • [08:06:01] <chakie_work> heh, no, no
  • [08:06:15] <Navi> Then I'm confused :P
  • [08:06:25] <chakie_work> the lack of eth when something like s-video is included
  • [08:06:32] <Navi> Mmk
  • [08:11:29] <koen> svideo doesn't need a MAC + PHY
  • [08:16:25] <chakie_work> i wasn't really complaining per se
  • [08:18:14] <koen> the svideo svideo needed only a connector, ethernet would have needed extra ICs
  • [08:19:31] <chakie_work> i guessed as much
  • [08:19:53] <chakie_work> adding in a small usb hub isn't impossible as the board itself is tiny
  • [08:22:35] <khasim> chakie_work:the board should be generic to be used for as many applications as possible and still remain at low cost.
  • [08:23:04] <chakie_work> khasim: yeah, i understand that
  • [08:23:05] <khasim> chakie_work:the easiest thing to do that is to remove all peripherals that could be added later by user
  • [08:23:35] <chakie_work> but that would also greatly reduce the appeal of the board
  • [08:23:50] <khasim> chakie_work:ethernet, hub, keypad, mouse, lcd, etc could be added as needed
  • [08:23:53] <chakie_work> especially for guys like me that are mainly software persons anyway
  • [08:24:14] <chakie_work> hm, did it have a serial connector?
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  • [08:24:24] <mru> yes
  • [08:24:40] <chakie_work> i have some 80x4 character lcd displays
  • [08:26:00] <chakie_work> an european reseller would be nice to avoid duties
  • [08:26:19] <chakie_work> not that 149$ is much, about 20? or so nowadays
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  • [08:57:05] <koen> RogerMonk: good morning!
  • [09:04:30] <ds2> did I see something about driver and SVideo out earlier today/yesteday?
  • [09:12:40] <koen> ds2: yes, jkridner was asking why linux-omap git has no s-video sysfs nodes
  • [09:16:26] <ds2> ah
  • [09:16:59] <koen> and I said that you posted a driver to the list
  • [09:17:02] <ds2> unfortunately, the stuff I posted in its current form has about 0 chance of getting into linux-omap :(
  • [09:24:57] <koen> ds2: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/2ff893062f3999cc#
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  • [10:28:50] <koen> khasim: do you know something more about the cpufreq patches?
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  • [11:09:13] <khasim> koen: just had a quick chat with Rajendra Nayak, he will sending CPU freq patches today
  • [11:09:36] <khasim> koen: there was some issue with TI mail exchange, every patch we post was getting wrapped
  • [11:09:57] <khasim> koen: now it is supposed to be fixed :)
  • [11:13:24] <koen> ah, I hate it when mailservers to that
  • [11:19:58] <koen> 13:19:40 up 19:24, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.94
  • [11:20:14] <koen> pauls latest patches seem to work well
  • [11:20:32] <koen> up almost 20 hours
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  • [11:48:47] <koen> khasim: is Rajendra based in the us or india?
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  • [11:49:41] <jkridner> good morning
  • [11:50:15] <hagisbasheruk> hi jkridner
  • [11:51:53] <koen> hey jkridner
  • [11:52:58] <hagisbasheruk> My Software Defined Radio Transciever is in the process of being built right now :)
  • [11:54:40] <Crofton|work> the softrock?
  • [11:54:45] * koen discovers http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/
  • [11:54:58] <hagisbasheruk> Yup RXTX 6.3
  • [11:55:27] <hagisbasheruk> with Sinth kit and i2C kit also
  • [11:56:11] <koen> jkridner: still at barcamp?
  • [11:56:17] <hagisbasheruk> those are very nice koen
  • [11:57:53] <jkridner> no. BarCamp was a 1-day event right here in Houston.
  • [11:58:10] <koen> so, how was barcamp?
  • [11:58:37] <jkridner> pretty good. I put up a couple of pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2750424415/in/pool-beagleboard and http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2750423291/in/pool-beagleboard/.
  • [11:58:55] <jkridner> I enjoyed powering Beagle off of an EeePC.
  • [11:59:04] <jkridner> while it was powered off.
  • [11:59:31] <jkridner> BarCamp events are pretty small, just focused on the locals.
  • [11:59:52] <jkridner> One guy drove a couple of hours to see the Beagle Board.
  • [12:00:02] <Crofton|work> hagisbasheruk, what is the link for linux sw?
  • [12:00:04] <jkridner> I had forgotten my bag at the airport--about 1/2 hour away.
  • [12:00:30] <jkridner> He convinced me to come back after I got my bag--and I'm glad I did.
  • [12:00:42] <jkridner> a nice little crowed gathered around my demo.
  • [12:00:59] <jkridner> most of the people at BarCamp are web designers.
  • [12:01:33] <jkridner> In Houston, it seems to be mostly people interested in web-based startups.
  • [12:01:38] <hagisbasheruk> Crofton|work 2 mins
  • [12:01:52] <jkridner> still, a nice hobbyist crowd.
  • [12:02:14] <jkridner> several people walked away saying they were going to buy a board.
  • [12:02:29] <Crofton|work> someone was saying digikey is out of them?
  • [12:02:47] <jkridner> that's what I've heard. they've gone on back-order.
  • [12:02:59] <Crofton|work> hopefully this is good?
  • [12:03:13] <chakie_work> speaking of that, any european reseller?
  • [12:03:24] <jkridner> The contract manufacturer has had some better than expected yield, so a few more boards will be going out early this week.
  • [12:03:51] <jkridner> Digi-Key has been swamped with demand, which is why they have limited quantities to 1.
  • [12:04:06] * Crofton|work wonders what the yield is :)
  • [12:04:06] <jkridner> they want to get it into as many developer's hands as possible.
  • [12:04:53] <jkridner> I wonder what the yield is too, but it must be over 90%.
  • [12:05:40] <jkridner> it'll be nice when I can say thousands have shipped, instead of hundreds.
  • [12:05:45] <Crofton|work> I don't like BGA's :)
  • [12:06:07] <jkridner> chakie_work: no resellers currently.
  • [12:06:25] <jkridner> Digi-Key has global reach (despite our starting hiccup).
  • [12:06:37] <chakie_work> jkridner: ok. of course, knowing the way it normally goes it'd cost 229?
  • [12:06:44] <hagisbasheruk> Crofton | work http://ewpereira.info/sdr-shell/
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  • [12:07:15] <jkridner> I wish they'd communicate better info on shipping costs. I'm confused by that too.
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  • [12:07:23] <hagisbasheruk> requires http://dttsp.sourceforge.net/ dttsp
  • [12:07:57] <jkridner> supposedly the costs go down significantly with some additional purchases, but I don't know where the shipping price breaks are.
  • [12:08:23] <Crofton|work> hagisbasheruk, thanks
  • [12:08:33] <Crofton|work> hagisbasheruk, do you have a beagle yet?
  • [12:09:39] <DoZo2> Hi
  • [12:09:45] <hagisbasheruk> waiting on Rev C , going to play with X86 them move to beagle
  • [12:09:54] <hagisbasheruk> them=then
  • [12:10:03] <DoZo2> trying to attach keyboard/mouse to the beagle
  • [12:10:06] <DoZo2> no luck yet
  • [12:10:22] <jkridner> be sure you are using a mini-*A* to standard-A.
  • [12:10:32] <jkridner> some folks try to use mini-B adapters.
  • [12:10:38] <DoZo2> yes
  • [12:10:50] <DoZo2> that's the only ones they seem to be having here
  • [12:11:02] <jkridner> mini-B?
  • [12:12:30] <koen> isn't the difference only one resistor?
  • [12:13:59] <DoZo2> what hub do you guys use? Or doesn't it matter? i have this one: http://www.sitecom.com/drivers_result.php?groupid=22&productid=598
  • [12:14:30] <hagisbasheruk> back later, cya
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  • [12:15:35] * Crofton|work adds sdr shell and dttsp to his list
  • [12:16:06] <Crofton|work> one of the authors of dttsp signed up for the beagle sdr list and I know the other :)
  • [12:16:08] <jkridner> is this worth-while: http://beagleboard.org/support/faq/
  • [12:16:30] <Crofton|work> yes :)
  • [12:16:36] <jkridner> koen: the difference is the ID pin.
  • [12:16:57] <jkridner> I don't recommend people hand modifying the ID pin connection.
  • [12:18:47] <jkridner> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/3156ba8903dac3f4 is a nice post.
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  • [12:20:34] <DoZo2> http://beagleboard.org/support/faq/ <- ok, thanx
  • [12:21:46] <koen> hmmm
  • [12:21:50] <koen> how do I edit that page?
  • [12:22:10] <jkridner> source code for the backend of the server is all on the gitweb.
  • [12:22:21] <jkridner> let me know if I need to be less obtuse.
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  • [12:22:41] <jkridner> I can just say how, but my preference is for people to only edit the pages if they "know what they are doing".
  • [12:22:43] <koen> "where is the 'edit' button" after logging in?
  • [12:22:58] <koen> ah, there we go
  • [12:23:16] <jkridner> I've got code in the server to specifically add an edit button for me.
  • [12:23:27] <DoZo2> koen, please add a dutch reseller for the cable :-)
  • [12:23:30] <jkridner> I would accept patches that would improve the editing permissions.
  • [12:24:08] <koen> jkridner: http://beagleboard.org/support/faq/ updated
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  • [12:29:02] <jkridner> koen: fixed a couple of spelling issues. ;)
  • [12:30:41] * koen is dutch and can't spell per definition
  • [12:31:28] <jkridner> I am anxious to put the website into other languages.
  • [12:31:38] <jkridner> there are plenty of volunteers for translations....
  • [12:31:45] <koen> I'm fluid in engrish
  • [12:32:00] <Crofton> koen's english is much better then my Dutch
  • [12:32:06] <jkridner> but, I need to change the back-end server to enable the other languages.
  • [12:32:56] <koen> Crofton: http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N30/subway/Defcon_Presentation.pdf slide 49
  • [12:33:30] * jkridner heads to the office.
  • [12:33:32] <Crofton> Next year I need to go to Defcon for the fun of it
  • [12:36:40] <Thanatos_desktop> can #beagle suggest a good SDIO wifi adapter for the beagleboard?
  • [12:40:58] <Crofton> koen, I owe you one for that link :)
  • [12:46:32] <Thanatos_desktop> damn, that IS a good link
  • [12:49:11] <Crofton> You would think the authorities in Boston would learn that MIT students are going to ridicule every dumb engineering move they make
  • [12:49:14] <koen> a judge said they couldn't give that presentation at defcon
  • [12:49:31] <koen> according to slashdot
  • [12:49:51] <Crofton> I want to see the substitute presentation
  • [12:51:09] <Thanatos_desktop> not much to do when your opponent doesn't mind resorting to Brute Force
  • [12:51:41] <Crofton|work> Brute Force is so much easier these days
  • [12:53:31] <Crofton|work> we could make an rfid sniffer from a beagle board and an fpga
  • [12:53:42] <Crofton|work> although it is not clear how much FPGA they needed
  • [12:54:57] <koen> can NEON do SIMD xor?
  • [12:55:17] * Crofton|work wonders why the Boston subway guys are not suing the vendors that sold them the junk?
  • [12:55:37] <Thanatos_desktop> Attack of The Beagles! http://www.jandkranch.net/images/BunchOfBeagles.jpg
  • [12:55:40] <Crofton|work> I think it has a "polynomial" type that may do this
  • [12:58:15] <koen> Crofton|work: did nxp ever say it was more secure than it was?
  • [12:58:27] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:58:35] <koen> Crofton|work: or did they just say "10 year old design, cheap as hell"
  • [12:58:51] <Crofton|work> they probably say something in the warranty about not being secure
  • [12:59:06] <koen> nxp is saying it's awaiting independant verification of the hacks :)
  • [12:59:52] <Crofton|work> people are lucky that there are very few smart criminals
  • [13:00:32] <suihkulokki> public transport has long since done the compromise of saving costs by having less security
  • [13:00:48] <Crofton|work> http://www.fbi.gov/page2/nov06/tokens112706.htm
  • [13:00:58] <suihkulokki> basicly when they stopped having ticketers on every gate
  • [13:01:01] <Crofton|work> low tech is still a lot easier to hack :)
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  • [13:21:58] * koen builds a kernel with cpufreq patches
  • [13:28:05] <khasim> koen: are they booting on Beagle?
  • [13:28:55] <koen> I have to fix up some dependant patches first
  • [13:29:07] <koen> the noop pm one has a failing hunk
  • [13:29:56] <koen> NOTE: package linux-omap2-2.6.26-r60: task do_patch: completed
  • [13:29:58] <koen> there we go
  • [13:31:07] <khasim> koen: we need to make defconfig changes to boot for 600Mhz
  • [13:31:14] <koen> yes
  • [13:31:32] <koen> do I need "No-op/debug PM layer " or "PM layer implemented using SRF " ?
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  • [13:33:54] * koen reads patch
  • [13:33:57] <koen> SRF it is
  • [13:35:18] <koen> arch/arm/mach-omap2/clock34xx.c:642: error: 'MAX_VDD1_OPP' undeclared here (not in a function)
  • [13:35:21] <koen> arch/arm/mach-omap2/clock34xx.c: In function 'omap2_clk_init':
  • [13:35:24] <koen> arch/arm/mach-omap2/clock34xx.c:726: warning: unused variable 'prcm_vdd'
  • [13:35:26] <koen> arch/arm/mach-omap2/clock34xx.c:725: warning: unused variable 'core_speed'
  • [13:35:29] <koen> arch/arm/mach-omap2/clock34xx.c:725: warning: unused variable 'mpu_speed'
  • [13:36:03] <khasim> koen: few things have to be done before using these patches directly
  • [13:36:17] <khasim> koen: I haven't applied these patches yet, but changes are"
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  • [13:37:00] <koen> I guess I need to apply Index: linux-omap-2.6/include/asm-arm/arch-omap/board-3430sdp.h
  • [13:37:06] <koen> to beagle as well
  • [13:37:25] <khasim> koen: in board-3430sdp few tables have been defined for PM, they have to be copied to board file for beagle
  • [13:37:31] <khasim> koen: yes
  • [13:38:00] <khasim> koen: the other change is in plat-omap/cpu-omap.c has checks for SDP we need to add beagle defines
  • [13:38:20] <khasim> then enable PM layer implemented using SRF
  • [13:38:53] <khasim> On booting we should see bogo mips like 598....
  • [13:39:29] <khasim> courtesy - rajendra nayak
  • [13:56:59] <koen> I think I have most of it now
  • [13:58:52] <koen> http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/uImage-2.6.26-r60-beagleboard.bin
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  • [14:03:33] <prpplague> jkridner|work: greetings
  • [14:03:45] <prpplague> jkridner|work: back to work after a long week at LWE?
  • [14:07:38] <koen> does this do what I think it does:
  • [14:07:39] <koen> - && defined(CONFIG_MACH_OMAP_3430SDP)
  • [14:07:39] <koen> + && (defined(CONFIG_MACH_OMAP_3430SDP) || defined(CONFIG_MACH_OMAP3_BEAGLE))
  • [14:07:42] <koen> ?
  • [14:24:57] <DoZo2> would this help?
  • [14:24:58] <DoZo2> http://www.allekabels.nl/na/0/1018533/HANDIGE-USB-KABELKIT.html
  • [14:25:27] <DoZo2> you get "Plug: A-male -> Mini 4 pins A"
  • [14:26:02] <koen> only if it shorts the ID pin
  • [14:26:30] <DoZo2> oh, no usb 2.0...
  • [14:26:36] <diego_at_work> koen, yes if you think the right thing
  • [14:26:43] <koen> :)
  • [14:26:50] <diego_at_work> :D
  • [14:28:22] <diego_at_work> if not works double check the spelling (i've gonna crazy a couple of time for stupid spell error)
  • [14:29:33] <sakoman> koen: has anyone explained yet why we don't see the serial port hangs with evm and overo when using 32khz clock?
  • [14:32:32] <sakoman> it would be really comforting to understand the root cause
  • [14:35:49] <koen> sakoman: AIUI we're waiting for gerald to do measurements
  • [14:38:00] <koen> khasim: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/01-beagle-cpufreq.diff
  • [14:49:11] * koen scratches head
  • [14:50:36] <koen> I think I found all SDP occurences and changed it to dp || beagle
  • [14:51:07] <koen> s/dp/sdp/
  • [14:52:25] <khasim> koen: will talk to rajendra and get back to you on this, may be he has left for the home, I can catch him up early in the morning tomorrow ..
  • [14:53:22] <koen> it's probably something stupid like a typo in my patch :)
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  • [15:07:31] <koen> Clocking rate (Crystal/DPLL/ARM core): 26.0/332/500 MHz
  • [15:07:31] <koen> Switched to new clocking rate (Crystal/DPLL3/MPU): 26.0/332/166 MHz
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  • [15:14:32] <khasim> koen: does this work for you now?
  • [15:18:20] <koen> sadly not
  • [15:18:27] <koen> I get no cpufreq menss
  • [15:18:31] <koen> messages at all
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  • [15:19:27] <koen> khasim: can you spot any obvious errors in http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/01-beagle-cpufreq.diff ?
  • [15:20:30] <koen> my defconfig: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/defconfig-beagle
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  • [15:24:01] <koen> updated binary at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/uImage-2.6.26-r60-beagleboard.bin
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  • [15:31:19] <khasim> koen: Tony has migrated to 2.6.27, now it will be good to ask Rajendra to first try this out on 3430sdp itself
  • [15:31:52] <khasim> will work on this tomorrow
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  • [15:34:44] <koen> tony also notes cpufreq oopses on omap1 with .27
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  • [17:30:37] <hagisbasheruk> # [12:15:35] * Crofton|work adds sdr shell and dttsp to his list
  • [17:30:37] <hagisbasheruk> # [12:16:06] <Crofton|work> one of the authors of dttsp signed up for the beagle sdr list and I know the other :)
  • [17:30:45] <hagisbasheruk> Thats awsome :)
  • [17:31:02] <Crofton> :)
  • [17:32:04] <hagisbasheruk> i'll need to add myself to your sdr list also crofton
  • [17:33:21] <Crofton> thanks
  • [17:33:39] <Crofton> When I have time I'll write some bitbake files to build them
  • [17:33:46] <Crofton> hopeully they are easy builds
  • [17:33:52] <Crofton> performance is another issue :)
  • [17:34:38] <hagisbasheruk> cool :) , we will overclock then :)
  • [17:35:47] <Crofton> heh, I suspect that it might work since the sample rate is low :)
  • [17:36:53] <Crofton> there are two stages, one getting the base software on the beagle and attracting people to the platform
  • [17:37:08] <Crofton> then, refactoring the sw to use NEON and DSP
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  • [17:37:28] <hagisbasheruk> do you know os any linux code to control Si570 ?
  • [17:38:03] <Crofton> not really
  • [17:38:39] <hagisbasheruk> Guess i'll need to write that for myself then ,damn
  • [17:38:51] <Crofton> :)
  • [17:38:56] <suihkulokki> from google looks it's i2c attached so the code should be trivial
  • [17:39:23] <hagisbasheruk> yup , brb
  • [17:42:15] <hagisbasheruk> got to give kids icecream
  • [17:45:31] <koen> Crofton: mru mentioned ffmpeg gaining split-radix fft code and he doing a neon version of it
  • [17:46:10] <Crofton> is this related to fftw?
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  • [17:46:48] <mru> no
  • [17:46:53] <mru> it's faster than fftw
  • [17:47:16] <Crofton> There is SW I care about that uses fftw
  • [17:47:29] <Crofton> So I care about NEON and fftw
  • [17:47:41] <mru> well, unfortunately for you, I don't
  • [17:47:45] <Crofton> :)
  • [17:47:51] <Crofton> no problem
  • [17:47:52] <mru> since djbfft is faster in independent benchmarks
  • [17:48:13] <Crofton> the headache is trying to get existing stuff working with the least amount of work
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  • [17:52:10] <hagisbasheruk> Mabey i could perswade Edson to add Si750 control to his SDR-Shell :)
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  • [17:54:02] <hagisbasheruk> Crofton , do you control your board via i2c ?
  • [17:55:35] <Crofton> some of the usrp daughteroards need i2c, but that controller will most likely be on the fpga
  • [17:55:48] <Crofton> it depends on what is available on the expansion connector
  • [17:56:52] <Crofton> there also some other reasons for having the control come from the FPGA for wireless network apps
  • [18:01:00] <hagisbasheruk> ahh , i will have to have a read at the hardware info regarding the usrp , to save bugging you :P
  • [18:02:59] <Crofton> it is pretty free form
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  • [18:03:24] <Crofton> we will basically replace the USRP mainboard with another board
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  • [18:06:16] <hagisbasheruk> Hows the GNU Radio side of things comming along
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  • [18:07:13] <Crofton> slow
  • [18:07:23] <Crofton> I have a problem compiling trunk
  • [18:07:30] <Crofton> to many things to do :)
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  • [18:12:37] <hagisbasheruk> just sent email to beagle-sdr@opensdr.com with topic as subscribe , i hope thats correct Crofton
  • [18:13:37] <Crofton> beagle-sdr-subscribe at opensdr dot com
  • [18:14:26] <hagisbasheruk> okay , another on its way then :P
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  • [19:00:14] <hagisbasheruk> Crofton have you had a play with WebSDR on http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ , quite fun
  • [19:01:15] * koen blinks
  • [19:01:44] <koen> that's 500m from here :)
  • [19:02:14] * hagisbasheruk is listening to IK0FGL on 7069.99 kHz
  • [19:02:51] <hagisbasheruk> Cool , go and steal their software
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  • [19:06:50] <hagisbasheruk> Their hardware is..... well have a look >> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/websdr-hw3.jpg lol , a rats nest
  • [19:07:29] <mru> nice pcb layout
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  • [19:07:37] <hagisbasheruk> hehe
  • [19:10:16] <hagisbasheruk> koen , The PC is an old Pentium-III at 1 GHz, running Linux and the WebSDR server software , go ask them to post their software
  • [19:10:25] <hagisbasheruk> :)
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  • [19:14:52] <sprotch> hi all. is openembedded.net and/or .org down these days?
  • [19:15:22] <Crofton|work> arrg
  • [19:15:26] * Crofton|work goes insane
  • [19:15:35] <Crofton|work> sprotch, sorry, this is getting to be a sore point
  • [19:15:57] <Crofton|work> we are having a hosting issue
  • [19:16:09] <Crofton|work> oe, not beagle
  • [19:16:49] <sprotch> ok then it's not a problem at me... I will chack again next days
  • [19:17:10] <sprotch> i still didn't receive my board so I can wait :-)
  • [19:17:53] <Crofton|work> hopefully this is resolved soon
  • [19:26:44] <_ade_> hi, just got my beagle board today. having trouble displaying anything other than the splash screen. Using an SD card with Angstrom. Any ideas?
  • [19:27:35] <antidaily> is the flux capacitor hooked up?
  • [19:27:48] <antidaily> jk. no idea.
  • [19:27:57] <_ade_> :)
  • [19:27:59] <mru> _ade_: what monitor are you using?
  • [19:28:15] <_ade_> Toshiba LCD TV
  • [19:28:45] <mru> koen: this is one for you, I think
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  • [19:29:09] <mru> I don't know what display settings angstrom uses by default
  • [19:29:11] <_ade_> it's a prototype tv, think that could cause a problem?
  • [19:29:34] <mru> it's possible the kernel's display mode is out of range for the tv
  • [19:29:43] <mru> do you have another monitor you can try?
  • [19:29:56] <_ade_> I have some more TVs
  • [19:30:10] <mru> a regular PC monitor would be better
  • [19:30:17] <mru> they're usually less picky with timings
  • [19:30:52] <_ade_> ok, I'll see if I have a hdmi to dvi adaptor, thanks
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  • [19:41:22] <_ade_> yay! thats it. thanks
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  • [20:00:23] <koen> note to self: do not remotely launch quake on the beagle when the speakers are still up to 11
  • [20:00:30] <Navi> Woot
  • [20:00:35] * koen gave his girlfriend a heart attack
  • [20:00:41] <Navi> Poor girl.
  • [20:00:43] <mru> you're running quake on the beagle?
  • [20:01:04] <koen> sdlquake1
  • [20:01:22] <Navi> Should be able to do Quake 2 without any graphics acceleration
  • [20:01:29] <rsalveti> cool
  • [20:01:59] <Navi> at a playable framerate, that is
  • [20:02:30] <koen> I haven't found a quake2 engine that crosscompiles
  • [20:02:43] <Navi> Really?
  • [20:02:49] * koen spent the past 2 hours trying to figure out how autotools was raped in sdlquake
  • [20:03:08] <mru> koen: you have my deepest sympathy
  • [20:03:50] <Navi> I need monies
  • [20:03:55] <koen> after having fixed that I needed to fix bad assumptions
  • [20:04:02] <koen> like always trying to compile x86 asm
  • [20:04:09] <Navi> Heh
  • [20:04:28] <koen> outside of the X86SRC definition
  • [20:04:58] <DJWillis> koen: I have a Quake and Quake2 build somewhere, both run just fine for the most part and at a decent enough speed.
  • [20:05:19] <Navi> Yeh
  • [20:05:44] <koen> what's the q2 engine du jour nowadays?
  • [20:06:14] <Navi> Not much, really
  • [20:06:18] <Navi> Let's get some Q3
  • [20:06:20] <DJWillis> koen: not here mind you, should be able to send them over at some point. No idea what engine people like, mine are hacked up from GP2X ports of years gone by.
  • [20:07:37] * koen tends to stay away from "ports"
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  • [20:08:16] <koen> the maemo sdlquake just edits the makefile (yes, in a autotools project) and is littered with "remove this if compiling for n800"
  • [20:08:29] <Navi> Heh
  • [20:08:54] <DJWillis> koen: you just hate the term ;). In the case of the GP2X they where 'ports' in the true sense, grafted to the hardware, talking the blitter etc. but I know where your hate comes from
  • [20:09:22] <koen> I hate device specific hacks
  • [20:09:28] <DJWillis> Good projects really need platform specific backends not ifdef messes ;).
  • [20:09:44] <koen> people doing IFDEF_NOKIA770 when actually meaning hildon or arm926
  • [20:09:56] <mru> gaaah
  • [20:10:52] <DJWillis> koen: yep, all to common and it makes it a PITA to clean up later. A common one I see is ifdef GP2X when it is just ARMV4 code and in no way GP2X specific.
  • [20:18:44] <koen> hmmm
  • [20:18:54] <koen> seems quetoo is the q2 engine of choice nowadays
  • [20:19:01] <koen> which segfaults like hell
  • [20:19:09] <koen> time to break out gdb
  • [20:19:39] <koen> actually, time to break out some rum punch
  • [20:19:43] <koen> later all
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  • [20:49:09] <ds2> hey, is the beagle on the beagleboard.org page the official logo? And is there problems with using that to refer to the beagle board?
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  • [21:06:11] <jkridner|work> is monotone for open embedded down?
  • [21:06:25] <jkridner|work> ds2: no problems using the logo from the web page.
  • [21:06:41] <jkridner|work> It is as "official" as we get for Beagle.
  • [21:07:23] <jkridner|work> we shifted logos to my surprise with the web page relaunch by removing the black line and putting the full dog in the image. This makes it not quite match the board, but it is fine.
  • [21:07:38] <jkridner|work> we try not to be stuffy about this sort of thing.
  • [21:08:01] <jkridner|work> all Creative Commons - Attribution. Use at will, but don't claim it is your own.
  • [21:08:10] <jkridner|work> no trademarks or anything like that.
  • [21:08:29] <mru> trademarks can be good if used responsibly
  • [21:08:35] <Crofton> jkridner|work, one repo is
  • [21:09:12] <Crofton> jkridner|work, mtn pull opensource.wolfsonmicro.com org.openembedded.dev
  • [21:14:53] <ds2> cool
  • [21:15:12] <ds2> if I have time, I'll make up some "bling" with the logo
  • [21:16:07] <jkridner|work> thanks Crofton
  • [21:16:49] <Crofton> one guy owns the server and another is paying for hosting
  • [21:16:56] <jkridner|work> mru: no doubt they can be used well, but Beagle is very much about low-overhead and involves a lot of trust in the community.
  • [21:17:05] <Crofton> so the hosting people only talk to the guy paying
  • [21:17:52] <jkridner|work> I need to chat with the OE guy again. got buried in my e-mail.
  • [21:18:54] <jkridner|work> Crofton: can you recommend a good tag?
  • [21:19:05] <Crofton|work> tag?
  • [21:19:07] <Crofton|work> for?
  • [21:19:12] <jkridner|work> I'm planning on doing some labs tomorrow that include using OE.
  • [21:19:17] <mru> jkridner|work: who did the beagle logo?
  • [21:19:23] <jkridner|work> er, point on the revision tree.
  • [21:19:28] <Crofton|work> ah
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  • [21:19:55] <Crofton|work> hmm
  • [21:20:08] <jkridner|work> mru: the TI Internet marketing team generated a logo.
  • [21:20:18] <Crofton|work> I have one that builds, well expect for restarting around autoconf-native
  • [21:20:27] <jkridner|work> mru: it has actually been rather easy to ask for Beagle-related favors from people at TI. :)
  • [21:20:28] <Crofton|work> but, I haven't had time to boot test it
  • [21:20:55] <jkridner|work> I bypass most all of the normal process and just ask for favors.
  • [21:21:16] <mru> I like that attitude
  • [21:21:28] <Crofton|work> 20adcf1d7f147947dc29ead2037c53133b6eb39f
  • [21:21:30] <Crofton|work> built for me
  • [21:21:43] <jkridner|work> beagleboard-demo-image?
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  • [21:21:49] <Crofton|work> avoid PARALLEL_MAKE and it should build through :)
  • [21:21:52] <Crofton|work> ohh
  • [21:22:00] <jkridner|work> did you just mean the kernel?
  • [21:22:13] <Crofton|work> I build console-image
  • [21:22:18] <Crofton|work> I just started demo image
  • [21:22:21] <jkridner|work> the kernel updates were the main thing I was hoping to see, given some of the recent bug fixes....
  • [21:22:29] <jkridner|work> console-image could be fine too.
  • [21:22:30] <Crofton|work> this is recent
  • [21:22:33] <Crofton|work> last day or so
  • [21:22:42] <jkridner|work> beggars can't be choosers. :)
  • [21:22:52] <Crofton|work> I'm going to update and try again
  • [21:23:00] <jkridner|work> btw, the wolfsonmicro download is progressing well.
  • [21:23:04] <Crofton|work> I hope koen didn't push the power management stuff
  • [21:23:40] <Crofton|work> if you aer working through getting started, the initial db is not accessible
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  • [21:26:55] <koen> I did push the powermanagement stuff
  • [21:27:01] <koen> seems pretty solid on my beagle
  • [21:27:09] <koen> probably because it's nnot getting activated
  • [21:27:36] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [21:27:40] <mru> my power management consists of a nice power brick in the wall socket ;-)
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  • [21:29:18] <mru> btw, now that you're all here I'll repeat a question... is it normal for U7 (the IC by the ehci port) to get hot?
  • [21:32:52] <koen> the USB3319 (CSP) part?
  • [21:32:59] <ds2> koen: does the PM stuff you are pushing impact clock names?
  • [21:33:34] <koen> it shouldn't impact clock names, it should only add post-rate notifiers
  • [21:33:43] <mru> it's a tiny chip, I can't make out the number
  • [21:33:47] <ds2> sigh, so you have a saner version of the code
  • [21:34:15] <koen> mru: it looks like that's teh transceiver, the part that breaks EHCI
  • [21:34:44] <ds2> shouldn't the transceiver be forced off?
  • [21:34:51] <ds2> for PM reasons if it is not being used
  • [21:36:23] <mru> koen: yes, but does yours get hot?
  • [21:38:10] * koen checks
  • [21:38:11] <mru> mine feels like 80 degrees or so
  • [21:38:28] <mru> or maybe 70, it's hard to tell with a finger
  • [21:38:39] <mru> definitely well over 60
  • [21:38:55] <ds2> binary search with an array of calibrated liquids you dip you fingers into? ;)
  • [21:39:35] <koen> I wouldn't say "hot"
  • [21:39:40] <koen> but it's definately warm
  • [21:39:48] <koen> but my tfp410 is hotter
  • [21:40:00] <mru> is that the dvi driver?
  • [21:40:06] <koen> yes
  • [21:40:50] <mru> my 4030 feel like about 55
  • [21:41:41] <ds2> I should probally ask since I have no idea where mru is - is that 55C or 55F?
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  • [21:42:02] <mru> C
  • [21:42:26] <Navi> Hawt
  • [21:42:33] <sakoman> mru: mine is not hot. with non-contact IR thermometer it is 32C
  • [21:42:53] <sakoman> OMAP is 40C
  • [21:43:06] <sakoman> 4030 is 42C
  • [21:43:18] <mru> sakoman: what is the measurement area of your thermometer?
  • [21:44:30] <sakoman> depends on distance, 25mm @ 250mm
  • [21:44:55] <ds2> oh 80C is hot, thought you had a very sensitive finger to say 80F is hot ;)
  • [21:45:02] <mru> then you probably won't get a good reading of the tiny chips
  • [21:45:16] <sakoman> using the finger test tells me that the reading isn't far off
  • [21:45:20] <mru> ds2: I can't keep my finger on it more than a few seconds
  • [21:45:42] <sakoman> mru: that means > 50C
  • [21:45:52] <mru> I know what 60 feels like
  • [21:45:58] <mru> I can touch that for much longer
  • [21:46:13] <sakoman> yeah, so mine is much cooler than yours
  • [21:46:25] <sakoman> I could keep my finger on it all day long
  • [21:46:39] <sakoman> feels much like the 4030
  • [21:47:39] <mru> my omap feels like 40 or thereabout
  • [21:48:02] <koen> sakoman: how hot is the tfp according to your thermo?
  • [21:48:05] <ds2> mru: I wonder if it makes a difference if you remove the usb_ehci_init call in board-omap3beagle.c
  • [21:48:31] <sakoman> koen: tfp?
  • [21:48:40] <koen> the dvi chip
  • [21:49:17] <sakoman> 45C
  • [21:49:35] <koen> is that with a screen attached?
  • [21:49:54] <sakoman> without -- one moment, I'll see if it changes
  • [21:50:17] <mru> I connected a screen a few minutes ago, didn't seem to make much difference
  • [21:50:41] <mru> less than 10 degrees, if any
  • [21:51:32] <mru> it's a shame I don't have an IR thermal imaging thing
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  • [21:54:18] <sakoman> koen: doesn't make much difference -- maybe a fraction of a degree
  • [21:54:33] <sakoman> but is is within the noise
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  • [22:05:01] <mru> ds2: removing that call makes no difference
  • [22:05:21] <ds2> hmm
  • [22:07:43] <ds2> mru: what is the U number on the chip? Trying to look up the schematic without a board next to me
  • [22:07:50] <mru> U7
  • [22:09:14] <sakoman> it is the USB host PHY IIRC
  • [22:09:59] <koen> according to my a5 trm it is
  • [22:10:49] <ds2> according to the schematics that's a USB3326 which is a USB PHY
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  • [22:13:20] <ds2> Hmmm GPIO_24 is USB1HS_nRST
  • [22:13:47] <mru> oh well, it's no big deal
  • [22:13:50] <ds2> arrg.. the PDF doesn't zoom well
  • [22:13:56] <mru> there's nothing flammable nearby
  • [22:14:00] <Crofton> what logic voltages are on the explansion connector?
  • [22:14:09] <ds2> I am curious if the GPIO_24 can be driven low to force that chip into reset
  • [22:14:16] <ds2> Crofton: IIRC, 1.8V
  • [22:14:30] <Crofton> urg
  • [22:14:39] <Crofton> I want a "cheap" logic analyzer
  • [22:14:44] <ds2> heh, that was my reaction!
  • [22:14:51] <ds2> build one
  • [22:15:01] <Crofton> but I am getting a sinking feeling that the old logic analyzers do support 1.8
  • [22:15:01] <mru> build one from a beagle board
  • [22:15:14] <Crofton> I just want one that works so I can do work :)
  • [22:15:31] <ds2> Use a SN74LVC2G07DBVR in front
  • [22:15:45] <ds2> unless you are blasting the SPI at full speed, that should work
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  • [22:16:17] <ds2> I suspect the fly swatter can be setup to monitor a few lines at 1.8V, just donno if there are software to do it
  • [22:16:57] <mru> is that the good old hex buffers IC?
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  • [22:17:19] <mru> those numbers just keep getting longer
  • [22:17:29] <ds2> should be a dual gate open collector part
  • [22:18:01] <ds2> power it at 1.8V and have the collector resistor at 3.3V or 5V
  • [22:18:22] <ds2> the lack of an active pull up will limit speed though
  • [22:18:44] <Crofton> or map the 1.8 pins out to higher voltage pins with the FPGA
  • [22:18:59] <mru> 74xx logic was my first exposure to digital electronics
  • [22:19:07] <ds2> that might guzzle more power though
  • [22:19:55] <ds2> interesting, I didn't know the EHCI port can do ULPI out
  • [22:20:40] * bjdooks has some very nice dual-voltage buffers hanging around
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  • [22:21:50] <sakoman> TI makes some buffers that will work quite nicely :-)
  • [22:22:18] <mru> is there anything TI doesn't make in electronics?
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  • [22:23:07] <ds2> a Pentium ;)
  • [22:23:15] <Thanatos_desktop> a dishwasher?
  • [22:23:35] <ds2> the 486 was nice though
  • [22:23:47] <mru> did TI make a 486?
  • [22:23:48] <prpplague> brain implants?
  • [22:24:06] <prpplague> i know they made a math co-processor for 386 stuff
  • [22:24:08] <ds2> yep, they either fab or second source the Cyrix 486
  • [22:24:19] <ds2> the DRx2 flavor, IIRC
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  • [22:24:41] <koen> heh, 2.6.27rc2 is plain broken for omap3
  • [22:24:42] <ds2> prpplague: do you know if there are any software that will use the fly swatter as a moderate speed logic analyzer?
  • [22:25:17] <prpplague> ds2: the miniLA software could be tweaked to work with the flyswatter
  • [22:25:18] <bjdooks> mru: iirc, yes
  • [22:25:41] <prpplague> ds2: capture rate is going to be pretty low though
  • [22:25:46] <ds2> prpplague: and that will let it work at 1.8V logic?
  • [22:26:06] <ds2> prpplague: for zero budget, functional is more important then speed ;)
  • [22:26:11] <prpplague> ds2: yea you could, it isn't optimal, but yea
  • [22:26:32] <prpplague> ds2: i'll have a look at the schematic this evening and see if there are any gotchas
  • [22:26:42] <prpplague> ds2: how many channels were you thinking about?
  • [22:26:57] <ds2> prpplague: cool... I am hoping I don't need that but I might get overrun by mux config issues
  • [22:27:07] <ds2> prpplague: 1-2 would suffice, more is always nice
  • [22:27:14] <prpplague> ds2: ahh
  • [22:27:28] <prpplague> ds2: so you'd just be sampling 2 lines?
  • [22:27:29] <ds2> <-- going to attempt to make use of the expansion connector :/
  • [22:27:46] <ds2> prpplague: yeah, if it can keep up at 100KHz, it'd be good
  • [22:27:57] <ds2> no DSO, otherwise, that'd work too
  • [22:28:10] <prpplague> hmm, that should be doable
  • [22:28:52] <prpplague> ds2: you could use libusb, but i think you might run into some latency issues
  • [22:29:02] <prpplague> ds2: i'll look and see what might be possible
  • [22:29:36] <ds2> prpplague: which every is quickest and this assumes i have some clocking issues sorted out
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  • [22:54:16] <jkridner|work> ds2: the easiest way to view the board layout is using the Allegro files and free viewer. However, the viewer requires a ton of login info to download.
  • [22:58:40] <Crofton|work> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37067
  • [22:58:56] <ds2> jkridner|work: is allegro the only format it is available in?
  • [22:59:01] <ds2> I'm using the version on the TRM
  • [22:59:07] <ds2> HRM I mean
  • [22:59:40] <Crofton|work> http://www.airs.com/blog/archives/120
  • [22:59:43] <jkridner|work> schematic is in Orcad format.
  • [23:00:01] <jkridner|work> all of the available design materials are at http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design
  • [23:00:03] <Crofton|work> turns out the GNU Radio guys depended on signed overflow
  • [23:00:13] <mru> very naughty
  • [23:00:17] <Crofton|work> which led to them thinking there was a bug in gcc 4.3 :)
  • [23:00:27] <jkridner|work> the Allegro stuff makes it very easy to find components on the board, once you get it setup.
  • [23:01:17] <ds2> Hmmm I might have an orcad converter
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  • [23:02:14] <ds2> I noticed there is no DXF for the board itself... is the mechnicals implied by the gerber in this case?
  • [23:03:51] * ds2 goes to figure out how to get the mounting hole locations converted to G-code
  • [23:04:28] <ds2> nevermind... it is right there, thanks!
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  • [23:15:51] <bjdooks> bah! no pop variant for the 423 pin
  • [23:16:53] <bjdooks> annoying, otherwise it'd be worth doing an eagle layout, i'm not going to try and do ddr-sdram connect up w/o signal length constraints
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