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[00:05:38] <koen> jkridner: I have no vga :)
[00:05:48] <koen> jkridner: only a dvi enabled tft
[00:06:22] <jkridner> oh? sorry, I remember, it was the USB to VGA you were using.
[00:06:34] <ali_as> Wasn't he trying to use a switch box?
[00:07:03] <ali_as> KVM or something?
[00:07:06] <jkridner> I'm working on a list of peripherals to test/recommend.
[00:07:42] <jkridner> I know skipisz was also using USB-to-VGA.
[00:08:46] <ali_as> Incidentally, can I echo a question from earlier by cb60(?) I don't recall his exact nick I lost me scroll back.
[00:09:03] <ali_as> What is available for people who don't have a board, for example emulation?
[00:10:15] <ds2> isn't there only 1 USB-VGA chipset that works with Linux? the SiS one
[00:10:50] <ali_as> USB VGA! Never heard of that.
[00:11:48] <ali_as> Is it feasable to develop anything, is there even a cortex A8 emulator?
[00:12:42] <ds2> what do you need to develop that would require the specific processor?
[00:13:08] <ali_as> Code optimisation for example.
[00:13:29] <ds2> fair enough... there are other OMAP3 boards available
[00:13:42] <ds2> EVM, ZoomMDK, SDP just off the top of my head
[00:13:46] <hagisbasheruk> hi ali_as , i see you have caught the beagle bug :P
[00:14:17] <ali_as> It's a mild case at the moment. I have mips projects to finish alas.
[00:15:04] <ali_as> ds2, most of those burn a very sizable hole in the pocket compared to what the beagle will.
[00:17:23] <koen> move to europe, the dollar is cheaper there ;)
[00:18:07] <ali_as> I'm in England, and that is offset by taxes sadly.
[00:19:55] <ali_as> As for myself I will probably wait for C.
[00:33:50] <ali_as> Gnite.
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[02:06:30] <sakoman> banderson: wow, I never would have expected that! I'll remove it from my defconfig.
[02:07:04] <sakoman> Out of curiosity, what is the position of your uart2/3 jumper?
[02:08:05] <sakoman> Oops, never mind! It's a uart 1/2 jumper
[02:17:55] <jkridner> I never seem to overlap times with dirk2 these days.
[02:18:13] <jkridner> I saw his u-boot-v1 patches. Glad to see that is continuing.
[02:18:45] <jkridner> I was looking particularly at the change in commenting style on the function that returns the device type.
[02:19:12] <jkridner> it gave me a bit of a chuckle to see '// fixme...' converted to '/* fixme... */'. :)
[02:19:28] <jkridner> it cried out to me a bit.
[02:26:06] <jkridner> I was thinking that if we were to provide a function that could return the device type, it would be good to figure out how people might like to see the device types grouped.
[02:26:18] <jkridner> if anyone has thoughts on that, let me know.
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[09:49:24] <koen> good morning all
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[10:09:34] <hagisbasheruk> morning koen
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[11:01:04] <ted616> good morning all
[11:01:25] <ted616> anyone knows any documents on omap kernel?
[11:02:02] <Crofton|work> linux-omap list archives?
[11:02:12] <ted616> I am able to boot the linux-ldp-v1.3.uimg from www.omapzoom.com
[11:02:32] <ted616> I know there are lots of drivers are builded in, like lcd, keypad and etc
[11:02:40] <ted616> but how can I use them in the linux?
[11:04:49] <ted616> I tried search in linux-omap. I couldn't find detailed reference about omap3430 linux kernel like what drivers it has
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[11:05:28] <Crofton|work> drivers for beagle and evm are going in to linux-omap
[11:05:48] <Crofton|work> they might work on the zoom, if the hw is similar
[11:06:38] <ted616> do you mean the actual drivers or the document for these drivers?
[11:06:52] <Crofton|work> actual drivers
[11:06:59] <ted616> I think they are very similar. OMAP3430+TWL4030
[11:07:32] <Crofton|work> yeah
[11:07:35] <ted616> do you know where I can find the reference for these drivers?
[11:07:41] <Crofton|work> not really
[11:07:51] <Crofton|work> usually the code :)
[11:08:24] <ted616> ok I got it
[11:08:38] <ted616> sorry for many questions, I am just new to embedded linux
[11:09:17] <Crofton|work> no problem
[11:09:47] <ted616> Crofton, do you know any working demos on the beagle board for linux? I just want to test my zoom mdk
[11:11:18] <koen> twl4030 docs are under NDA
[11:11:25] <koen> aiui the 5030 are public
[11:13:17] <Crofton|work> too bad we don't all live in TX, we could go protest in front of TI building :)
[11:14:21] <Crofton|work> "Free documentation!"
[11:21:00] <koen> that reminds me of the "bail kergoth out of jail fund" in case he published TI docs
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[11:32:02] <Crofton|work> :)
[11:32:24] <Crofton|work> so RRECOMMENDING dsplink adds the moduile to the image
[11:32:41] <Crofton|work> but how do you get the dsplink module to build so it gets added to the image
[11:34:17] <koen> I don't understand the question
[11:35:11] <Crofton|work> the dsplink.ko module does not get installed in my image
[11:36:16] <koen> MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS += "dsplink-module" ?
[11:36:19] <koen> and rebuild task-boot
[11:36:29] <Crofton|work> will that force building?
[11:36:41] <Crofton|work> oe jsut halt build if the module does not exist?
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[11:37:43] <koen> it will build the recipe with dsplink-module in PACKAGES, but won't halt on do_rootfs if the module _package_ is missing
[11:37:55] <Crofton|work> ah
[11:38:46] <koen> iirc it will halt if the recipe is missing
[11:39:01] <Crofton|work> we'll know in a few minutes ...
[11:39:45] <Crofton|work> hmmm
[11:39:49] <Crofton|work> :q
[11:40:38] <Crofton|work> hmm, did have anything in sffsdr.conf ...
[11:40:51] <Crofton|work> MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS = "dsplink-module"
[11:40:55] <Crofton|work> is thre now
[11:41:02] <Crofton|work> let's see if that does the trick
[11:58:23] <Crofton|work> my bad, MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS builds the module
[12:11:31] <Crofton> http://rafb.net/p/Jl59gh86.html
[12:11:34] <Crofton> bother
[12:12:30] <koen> weird
[12:12:51] <koen> Crofton: you are using the same uImage as dsplink was built against?
[12:13:39] <Crofton|work> it should be
[12:14:24] <Crofton> kernel built yesterday
[12:14:29] <Crofton> module built this am
[12:15:32] <Crofton> no newer kernel builds
[12:23:25] <jkridner> good morning. so, how long before IcedTea (http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page) makes it into OE?
[12:24:14] <koen> you'd have to ask rschuster
[12:24:28] <jkridner> k
[12:24:52] <koen> see http://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/robertschuster/weblog
[12:26:53] <jkridner> yeah, I had taken note of that. but I can see the recipe isn't merged into Angstrom.
[12:29:34] <jkridner> so, what is the hot problem of the day?
[12:29:49] <jkridner> I2C issue wrapping up?
[12:29:54] <Crofton|work> what food to take to Maggie fest?
[12:30:10] <Crofton|work> :)
[12:30:35] <Crofton|work> Why dsplink won't load on my dv board
[12:30:35] <jkridner> looks like dirk is still seeing I2C hangs. :(
[12:30:42] <jkridner> What is "Maggie"?
[12:31:03] <jkridner> saw that "invalid module" message.
[12:32:12] <Crofton|work> Maggie is my five year old god-daughter :)
[12:32:36] <Crofton|work> She's turning six
[12:32:43] <jkridner> this is almost assured to be a red herring, but did you leave some memory for dsplink w/ your mem= bootarg?
[12:32:49] <Crofton|work> hmm
[12:32:51] <Crofton|work> no
[12:33:04] <Crofton|work> good point
[12:33:12] <Crofton|work> this was attempt #1 at loading
[12:33:24] <Crofton|work> I was hoping for a quick victory
[12:33:38] <jkridner> also, davinci-linux-open-source mailing list will give you a lot faster response than here.
[12:33:44] <Crofton|work> I'll try that after breakfast
[12:33:46] <Crofton|work> yeah
[12:33:50] <Crofton|work> that was step #2
[12:34:11] <Crofton|work> but, I am hopeful that the driver couldn't find any memory and quit
[12:34:14] <jkridner> That was a problem I had when first loading link. It expects the kernel not to reserve all the memory.
[12:34:27] <Crofton|work> I'll let you no in about 30 minutes :)
[12:34:48] <jkridner> that would make sense. it doesn't seem like that error would result in "invalid module".
[12:39:43] * koen gets reminded of the fact that cmemk.ko is still missing
[12:49:12] <Crofton|work> I suspect modprobe gets an error and prints a very generic error message
[12:51:41] <koen> check dmesg and/or strace it
[12:51:44] <Crofton|work> on a 128M machine mem=96m should be OK?
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[13:00:59] <jkridner> Crofton|work: I suspect so.
[13:01:11] <Crofton|work> yeah, still won't load
[13:01:15] <jkridner> k.
[13:01:27] <Crofton|work> tomorrows problem though
[13:02:08] <jkridner> well, you might drop it on "dlos" such that someone might give a suggestion before you get back to it.
[13:02:28] <jkridner> http://linux.davincidsp.com/mailman/listinfo/davinci-linux-open-source
[13:02:48] <jkridner> I'll do a search on "invalid module" as well.
[13:04:00] <jkridner> http://www.mail-archive.com/davinci-linux-open-source@linux.davincidsp.com/msg02719.html suggests you use 'file' to check the file type.
[13:05:58] <jkridner> yeah, didn't see much useful there already.
[13:06:16] <jkridner> some build order concerns.
[13:06:29] <Crofton> root@davinci-sffsdr:~# file /lib/modules/2.6.26-rc5-davinci1/kernel/drivers/dsp/dsplinkk.ko
[13:06:29] <Crofton> /lib/modules/2.6.26-rc5-davinci1/kernel/drivers/dsp/dsplinkk.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[13:07:08] <Crofton> I think bernard in #davinci has dsplnk working with git
[13:07:16] <Crofton> I'll try and catch up with him
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[13:24:37] <sakoman> koen: still haven't been able to build beagle-demo-image :-(
[13:24:51] <sakoman> both gimap and gnumeric fail to build
[13:25:38] <sakoman> gimp that is :-)
[13:26:02] <sakoman> gimp error is: failed to load "./stock-question-64.png": Couldn't recognize the image file format for file './stock-question-64.png'
[13:26:16] <sakoman> file in question looks fine to me
[13:26:54] <Crofton|work> I'll fire up a build
[13:27:01] <Crofton|work> I am really taking today off though :)
[13:27:04] <sakoman> gnumeric fails with: application.c:26:44: error: pixmaps/gnumeric-stock-pixbufs.h: No such file or directory
[13:27:30] <koen> sakoman: that's a bug in OE's gdk-pixbuf-csource-native recipe
[13:27:32] <sakoman> And indeed that header file doesn't exist anywhere in the gnumeric directory
[13:27:50] <sakoman> koen: any workarounds?
[13:28:51] <koen> http://rafb.net/p/ra4f0248.txt
[13:29:06] <koen> and install gdk-pixbuf-csource-native (probably in libgtk2-dev)
[13:29:19] <sakoman> thanks!
[13:29:19] <koen> the one in OE doesn't support xpm and png
[13:29:44] <koen> so it can't generate headers from that, so compilation fails with missing headers
[13:29:58] <Crofton|work> what's the BB thread var?
[13:31:17] <sakoman> Crofton: for me: BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4"
[13:31:35] <koen> PARALLEL_MAKE="-j4"
[13:31:35] <koen> BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "3"
[13:32:06] <Crofton|work> 3 or 4, that is the question!
[13:32:33] <koen> depends on your IO speed
[13:33:50] <sakoman> Crofton: for my dual core AMD 4 seems to keep both processors at 100%, but the system is still responsive enough to edit & browse
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[13:35:34] <Crofton|work> this machine basically does OE stuff
[13:35:44] <Crofton|work> I''l try more threads sometime
[13:36:34] <sakoman> koen: another strange issue I have been seeing on my autobuilder -- image builds on the second and subsequent machines always fail with: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base-extended:
[13:36:34] <sakoman> bluez-utils bluez-utils-compat
[13:37:05] <sakoman> of course both bluez packages have built successfully :-)
[13:37:41] <sakoman> as does a rebuild of task-base-extended
[13:37:58] <sakoman> Any idea of what is up there?
[13:42:46] <koen> is that in do_rootfs?
[13:43:00] <sakoman> koen: yup
[13:43:24] <sakoman> http://www.sakoman.net:8000/public/logs/38191.txt
[13:43:38] <koen> and bluez-utils*.ipkg is deploy/ipk?
[13:47:08] <sakoman> koen: ah, interesting. they aren't there
[13:47:41] <sakoman> so how did they disappear between machine builds since the previous images built properly?
[13:47:49] <sakoman> very curious
[13:49:48] <sakoman> I remember seeing this same issue back when I was doing an autobuilder for gumstix
[13:50:24] <sakoman> I had to force 2 or 3 seemingly unrelated packages to rebuild between machines to work around this
[13:52:54] <sakoman> (i.e. not buez-utils* or task-base-extended)
[13:54:59] <sakoman> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9973448-54.html
[13:57:22] <koen> nice
[13:57:39] <koen> did you already see the clarinet bot?
[14:04:44] <sakoman> koen: yeah, that's really cute too
[14:04:53] <sakoman> the article mentions OE too
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[15:01:01] <ldesnogu_> it looks like 2008q1 has far more problems than just vectorization, I have already found a bug with static compilation and now an internal error
[15:01:59] <ldesnogu_> koen, how do you configure ffmpeg?
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[15:24:54] <Crofton|work> ecore-native failed, then completed when I rebuilt it during beagleboard-demo-image
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[16:20:07] <Crofton> koen, I'm wondering if the dsplink build picked up headers from the build system
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[16:54:15] <Crofton> Maggie Fest ho, back tomorrow
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[18:49:47] <jkridner_> sakoman: that is the article I was telling you about.
[18:50:50] <jkridner_> ldesnogu_: I've had some customer complaints about even -O1. Planning to contact Code Sourcery for some advice.
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[18:58:11] <sakoman> jkridner: yeah, I knew. just sharing with others cause I thought it was cool
[19:01:40] <ldesnogu_> jkridner_, well I have switched back to 2007q3, at least it compiles ffmpeg
[19:01:54] <ldesnogu_> and I have sent another bug report to CSL
[19:02:49] <ldesnogu_> I start to think the arm gcc situation is very bad, much worse than I thought at least
[19:03:18] <ldesnogu_> I think I will raise that at work, and see what can be done to improve that
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[21:02:39] <koen> ldesnogu_: I'm fairly annoyed that the CSL toolchain is buggier than my patched gcc 4.3.1
[21:02:57] <koen> heh
[21:03:13] <koen> the SSL certificate of the uni mailserver expired today
[21:28:05] <ali_as> What free toolchain would you reccomend for embedded arm generally?
[21:30:22] <suihkulokki> ali_as: vanilla gcc 4.2.4
[21:33:05] <ali_as> Ok. Sorry to sound like a newb, but is there a decent binary package of that for cross compiling from linux 386? I'm not farmiliar with compiling for different targets.
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