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  • [14:03:31] <Crofton> jkridner, ping
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  • [14:30:18] <sakoman> Crofton: I seem to recall jkridner saying he is traveling today
  • [14:30:36] <Crofton> hmm
  • [14:30:43] <Crofton> therer is a webcast at noon I thin
  • [14:30:45] <Crofton> think
  • [14:33:32] <Crofton> gent wevelgem finsh is awesome ...
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  • [16:01:40] <Crofton> OMAP3 webinar starting
  • [16:01:53] <Crofton> We should have talked jkridner into taking questions from irc
  • [16:03:17] <Crofton> they've already used the open source word
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  • [16:09:51] <Crofton> gm
  • [16:10:01] <Crofton> watching the OMAP3 webinar now
  • [16:10:17] <dirk2> oh, missed it :(
  • [16:10:24] <dirk2> any link?
  • [16:10:28] <Crofton> it started ten minutes ago
  • [16:10:35] <Crofton> jkridner, talks about sw last
  • [16:11:52] <Crofton> emailed
  • [16:12:00] <Crofton> there is the annoying registration ...
  • [16:12:12] <Crofton> and it runs on windows :(
  • [16:13:05] <dirk2> okay, then I can forget it. Linux only at the moment...
  • [16:13:12] <Crofton> heh
  • [16:13:40] * Crofton has a windows computer connected to the tv to watch cycling via internet
  • [16:14:45] <dirk2> eLinux is still down :( And I can't find any cached version of our beagleboard page at Google
  • [16:15:03] <Crofton> check in #edev, wmat there is the contact
  • [16:15:43] <Crofton> prpplague, asked earlier and he hasn't replied
  • [16:15:57] <Crofton> apparently it is hosted with godaddy
  • [16:16:02] <dirk2> do they have a irc archive like we here? Then I don't have to ask faq ;)
  • [16:16:34] <Crofton> maybe, but it is not so active that you would be interutping
  • [16:18:20] <Crofton> what irc client do you use?
  • [16:18:24] <prpplague> dirk2: word has it there a large breach at godaddy
  • [16:19:08] <dirk2> xchat, but not really familiar with it :( Maybe you already noticed that I'm more with mailing lists ;)
  • [16:19:26] <Crofton> yeah
  • [16:19:31] <prpplague> dirk2: funny how some people prefer mailing lists and others irc
  • [16:19:42] <prpplague> dirk2: i find mailing lists too detached
  • [16:19:46] <Crofton> in a channel, you can type /join #edev and you should get to tabs wo you don't need to add icks
  • [16:20:03] * Crofton finds they are good for different things :)
  • [16:20:21] <prpplague> Crofton: indeed
  • [16:20:46] <Crofton> irc for solving specific issues quickly and maintaining contact with humans when you work alone
  • [16:21:07] <Crofton> lists for documenting technical decisions and long term goals
  • [16:21:23] <Crofton> and providing a knoweldge base
  • [16:21:40] <Crofton> irclogs are ok, but the signal to noise ration may be poor at times
  • [16:21:50] <dirk2> lists: if you can't be online "the whole day"
  • [16:21:51] <prpplague> Crofton: agreed
  • [16:22:16] <prpplague> dirk2: what? no online all day? what kind of sick person are you?
  • [16:22:26] * prpplague jokes with dirk2
  • [16:22:48] <dirk2> ;)
  • [16:22:54] <Crofton> I work with people behind corporate firewalls, that is a miserable life :)
  • [16:23:25] <dirk2> Look at TI guys: They have trouble to get git access behind their firewall
  • [16:23:34] <Crofton> its really hard to work with someone by email every couple of minutes ....
  • [16:23:36] <Crofton> yeah
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  • [16:28:17] <Crofton> .4 mm manufacturing is tough
  • [16:28:24] <Crofton> question from the audience
  • [16:32:13] <prpplague> Crofton: indeed
  • [16:32:21] <prpplague> Crofton: struggling with it for future devices now
  • [16:32:39] <Crofton> heh
  • [16:32:50] <Crofton> they have a .65 package apparently
  • [16:33:04] <Crofton> is glad he is out of the layout biz now :)
  • [16:42:02] <Crofton> apparently lots of people are asking about wince
  • [16:48:34] <dirk2> wince: :(
  • [16:49:14] <prpplague> dirk2: you got to xchat sessions running?
  • [16:52:29] <Crofton> we had the volume question
  • [16:52:37] <Crofton> they will sell to anyone
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  • [17:27:03] <sakoman> Crofton: I resolved my machine issue from yesterday -- it was a simple typo as I was breaking patches into chunks
  • [17:27:42] <sakoman> I can build 2.6.25 kernels for the omap3 evm again
  • [17:28:00] <Crofton> ah
  • [17:28:14] <Crofton> I hate simple typos that lead to mysterious errors
  • [17:28:20] <Crofton> what tool chain are you using?
  • [17:29:05] <sakoman> the sw that comes with the evm calls the machine OMAP3_EVM, but the machine type reserved in lthe linux tree is OMAP3EVM
  • [17:29:15] <Crofton> lovely :)
  • [17:29:29] <sakoman> I forgot to re-make the change
  • [17:37:23] <DJWillis> Oh nice ;-)
  • [17:37:48] <DJWillis> That type of problem seems to come up again and again with eval boards
  • [17:50:20] <sakoman> Yeah, I won't mention all the file_name to file-name chnages between the evm tree and the linux tree
  • [17:51:44] <sakoman> Crofton: I'm using the OE 4.1.2 gcc
  • [17:52:22] <sakoman> I'll be conservative till I get all the hw supported, then I'll break everything with a tool change :-)
  • [17:52:26] <Crofton> ok
  • [17:52:48] <Crofton> so you are treating it as an armv6 system?
  • [17:53:10] <sakoman> armv6
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  • [17:56:01] <DJWillis> sakoman: how is progress going? I started doing the patch work with 2.4.25 last night (I am mainly focused on pushing the patched from the EVM 1.1.4 U-Boot to 1.2.0 right now so I can add my own evil hacks ;-))
  • [17:56:59] <NishanthMenon> Crofton: any links for webcast from Jason? just cant seem to find it.. :(
  • [17:57:35] <sakoman> DJWillis: progress is slow. It's not simple to reconcile the stuff in the evm 2.6.22.1 tarball with the 2.6.25 tree
  • [17:59:00] <sakoman> I've gone back to basics with a minimal board-omap3evm file and I'm adding features one at a time :-(
  • [18:00:22] <DJWillis> sakoman: It can be damm hard work :(. Its the curse of all these types of projects and often the reason people end up sat on an ancient kernel after a year or so :(. There are still a glut of embedded setups happy on 2.4.ancent. Been round this loop a few times :(.
  • [18:00:53] <sakoman> Yup, same here.
  • [18:01:05] <DJWillis> Do TI plan to keep the kernel recent (anybody got insight on that?) or will it be a community thing?
  • [18:01:26] <sakoman> A good question!
  • [18:02:48] <Crofton> not sure if you can watch it later
  • [18:02:52] <DJWillis> I have not found EVM support that well structured (buy I may be looking in all the wrong places). This IRC chan and the Beagle site/source would be my 1st place to look everytime :-)
  • [18:03:43] <sakoman> At lest I'm to the point now where I have a bootable kernel:
  • [18:03:45] <sakoman> http://pastebin.ca/978596
  • [18:04:23] <sakoman> Need to add support for kb and touchscreen next
  • [18:04:27] <Crofton> awesome!
  • [18:04:45] <Crofton> so you have patches against linux-omap git?
  • [18:05:02] <sakoman> yes
  • [18:05:13] <sakoman> as of yesterday for SRCDATE
  • [18:05:31] <sakoman> I plan to try to live on the bleeding edgge for a while
  • [18:05:54] <DJWillis> sakoman: great job :-), "g_file_storage: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" - I love fighting with USG Gadget ;-), a 'hobby' of mine.
  • [18:06:23] <sakoman> That's because I'm still using the rootfs that shipped with the EVM
  • [18:06:45] <sakoman> I think that will go away when I use my own rootfs
  • [18:06:52] <DJWillis> I realise that, sorry, it was not a problem, just 'noticed' it and it made me smile.
  • [18:07:16] <sakoman> Take pleasure where you can find it :-)
  • [18:07:33] <DJWillis> Bleeding edge works well for me ;-)
  • [18:10:55] <sakoman> DJWillis: given that the evm rootfs was built for a 2.6.22.1 kernel I'm surprised that there aren't a whole lot more error messages!
  • [18:11:18] <DJWillis> True
  • [18:12:32] <DJWillis> sakoman: are you going to strap your ROOTFS off the OE build system? Or hand build it?
  • [18:12:50] <sakoman> definitely OE!
  • [18:13:11] <DJWillis> I really should get used to OE again, I got far too used to my hackedup buildroot ;-)
  • [18:13:36] <sakoman> Once you make the transition you'll never go back
  • [18:13:53] <DJWillis> That's what worries me ;-)
  • [18:14:15] <sakoman> That's a good thing!
  • [18:15:19] <DJWillis> hehe, I still 'maintain' a lot of 2.4 systems on there nasty handmade ROOTFS'es. So, how hard do you recon the move is ;-)
  • [18:15:49] <sakoman> Oh, I would *never* move a project that old!
  • [18:16:04] <sakoman> But I would also never start a new project on buildroot
  • [18:16:05] <DJWillis> Oh no, I am thinking for our board and the EVM, not that ;-)
  • [18:16:31] <DJWillis> I moved those 2.4's to buildroot, in retrospect, not good ;-)
  • [18:17:32] <sakoman> Well, I think that OE is a great choice for both EVM and Beagle
  • [18:18:00] <Crofton> OE already has preliminary beagle support :)
  • [18:18:53] <sakoman> Has anyone tried the kernel yet? I have my doubts about whether it will actually work
  • [18:19:16] <DJWillis> :-), ok, makes it even more promising for our Pandora board. Got hacked up Debian 'sort of' working on the EVM.
  • [18:19:21] <Crofton> yeah
  • [18:19:30] <Crofton> I doubt it iwll work either :)
  • [18:19:52] <Crofton> koen did the best he could with the available code
  • [18:20:24] <sakoman> If I had a board I would be happy to fix the recipe :-)
  • [18:22:07] <DJWillis> So assuming we had a good recipe for the EVM what is the work level like to move it over to another similar OMAP3 board?
  • [18:22:37] <DJWillis> You have peeked my interest damm you ;-)
  • [18:22:38] <sakoman> Should be fairly simple
  • [18:23:16] <sakoman> I'll be trying that in the next few weeks so I'll be able to tell you from experience then :-)
  • [18:24:27] <sakoman> well, I just started a console-image build, so I think I'll head out for some lunch
  • [18:24:33] <sakoman> back later
  • [18:25:09] <DJWillis> sakoman: if our boards get into any reasonable state then i'll try it for myself. Cool, let us know how that goes, if you get an EVM image I would love to try it :-)
  • [18:25:37] <Crofton> must be planning a long lunch :)
  • [18:25:56] <DJWillis> how long does that take? :-o
  • [18:26:15] <DJWillis> I am guessing that straps most of the rootfs, X and all?
  • [18:26:28] <Crofton> console won't
  • [18:26:35] <Crofton> but the dependency list is a bit long
  • [18:27:10] <Crofton> and I;m not usre if he is rebuilding the tool chain
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  • [18:28:31] <DJWillis> Ahhh, sorry, OE is not something I know that well.
  • [18:28:44] <DJWillis> I guess console was a give away however ;-)
  • [18:28:44] <Crofton> we aren't the fastest way to get an image, but we are repeatable, and there are loads of available apackages
  • [18:28:48] <Crofton> yeah
  • [18:29:07] <Crofton> basically, console image gives you a fairly full featured image without X
  • [18:29:15] <DJWillis> check :-)
  • [18:29:23] <Crofton> although some pieces of X may get built
  • [18:29:49] <DJWillis> Time to start learning to bake I guess
  • [18:29:54] <Crofton> if you don't like console-image, make your on image file :)
  • [18:30:08] <Crofton> minimal-image was funny
  • [18:30:32] <Crofton> there where loads of disagreements over what went into a minimal image :)
  • [18:31:24] <DJWillis> Ahh, had those debates.
  • [18:32:26] <Crofton> We've pretty much stopped dorking with these images and encourage people to create images that suit there needs
  • [18:36:55] <DJWillis> Crofton: well embedded seems to be all about that, you don't want fancy SVG GUI's on your telemetry device.
  • [18:37:08] <Crofton> yeah
  • [18:37:16] <Crofton> or, in my case software radio
  • [18:37:24] <Crofton> although some kind of Ui is good
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  • [18:38:56] <DJWillis> Yep, telemetry and little games consoles seem to be what I play with most.
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  • [18:43:36] <Crofton> really should do his taxes
  • [18:48:38] <sakoman> A short lunch -- console image is almost done
  • [18:49:11] <sakoman> I need to be careful reflashing -- my fingers are too used to typing the commands for gumstix :)
  • [18:50:42] <DJWillis> Gumstix :D
  • [18:53:54] <Crofton> heh
  • [18:54:38] <ds2> ewwwww xscale
  • [18:54:44] <ds2> ;)
  • [19:03:01] <DJWillis> Marvel/Intel XScale, not the finest ARM SoC's :D
  • [19:03:53] <sakoman> DJWillis: Have you worked with the omap3 evm?
  • [19:04:23] <DJWillis> sakoman: I have it sat on my desk now
  • [19:04:32] <sakoman> reflashed yet?
  • [19:05:36] <DJWillis> I am downstairs with the TV on but that's about it ;-), yep, refashed system and reflashed U-Boot a few times working on the bits I want to tweak.
  • [19:06:11] <sakoman> did you use their script that reflashes the universe or did you reflash individula partitions
  • [19:06:24] <DJWillis> There is a script?
  • [19:07:07] <sakoman> a u-boot script that downloads each partition via tftp and then flashes it
  • [19:07:26] <DJWillis> Oh, no then, just by hand from U-Boot
  • [19:07:40] <sakoman> I'm not quite ready for that, so I'm going to do it by hand too
  • [19:07:56] <DJWillis> Good plan.
  • [19:08:09] <sakoman> With onenand do you need to erase, unlock, & then write?
  • [19:08:29] <sakoman> seems to be what their script does
  • [19:08:53] <DJWillis> I did that
  • [19:09:10] <sakoman> OK, here goes :-)
  • [19:09:25] <DJWillis> I do not know OneNAND very well nor a huge amount about it's differances.
  • [19:09:29] <DJWillis> Good luck.
  • [19:13:35] <ds2> you might not need to unlock the onenand
  • [19:14:15] <DJWillis> ds2: is there a data sheet on the OneNAND floating about? I was not sure about that myself.
  • [19:14:32] <ds2> let me see if there is one that is freely available
  • [19:15:45] <DJWillis> Thanks, that is often the problem with these things.
  • [19:15:57] <ds2> try this:
  • [19:16:00] <ds2> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=160&partnum=KFH4G16Q2A
  • [19:16:09] <ds2> I donno what part the beagle uses but they should be similiar
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  • [19:18:43] <DJWillis> Ok, some OneNAND is just large page NAND with a few tweaks and Samsung IP, handy datasheet, thanks.
  • [19:19:32] <sakoman> hmm . . . my erases are failing
  • [19:20:02] <DJWillis> BBL
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  • [19:30:10] <sakoman> ah I see, the uboot onenand command wants a physical address, not an offset. strange
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  • [22:24:46] <sakoman> Crofton: I have a successful boot now with flashed kernel and rootfs from my OE build
  • [22:25:45] <sakoman> u-boot support of one-nand is a bit strange but now I have the proper steps :-)
  • [22:26:41] <NishanthMenon> sakoman: EVM boot? and on onenand boot... r u using an x-loader or plain uboot config change based compile?
  • [22:26:55] <NishanthMenon> (thought beagle had a nand on it..)
  • [22:27:17] <sakoman> EVM boot -- I've only reflashed linux kernel and rootfs
  • [22:27:41] <sakoman> x-loader and u-boot are untouched
  • [22:28:13] <NishanthMenon> okie... hmmm...
  • [22:28:31] <NishanthMenon> on 3430.. we might be able to kick x-loader out...
  • [22:29:05] <sakoman> I have to learn about x-loader -- I'm not sure what it does :-)
  • [22:29:50] <NishanthMenon> sakoman: x-loader is a reduced uboot version.. which for some legacy reasons was born and lived... I kinda like the way kyumn park did onenand boot on his appollon boot -> no seperate codebase
  • [22:30:02] <Crofton> I assume xloader is somehting like UBL for dm6446?
  • [22:30:16] <NishanthMenon> the basis for x-loader is that uboot is kinda fat for internal SRAM memory
  • [22:30:50] <Crofton> I assume xloader is loaded from guaranteed good nand flash block into internal SRAM
  • [22:31:00] <NishanthMenon> so u kinda have a small image to get into SRAM, setup all the clocks, SDRC, GPMC configs, then fetch ur image(uboot) and put it in sdram
  • [22:31:05] <Crofton> it thre reads from possibly bad block of NAND?
  • [22:31:32] <NishanthMenon> Crofton: no clue about UBL, on badblocks.. ur touching upon a religious issue with me: Guarenteed good block concept..
  • [22:31:33] <NishanthMenon> ;)
  • [22:31:55] <Crofton> heh
  • [22:32:31] <NishanthMenon> anyways.. yep.. 3430 is intelligent.. it kinda checks a set of blocks looking for the good block.. once it finds it and has a valid image.. it starts its usual boot"magic"
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  • [22:32:56] <sakoman> ah, that is cool. the 3503 doesn't do that?
  • [22:33:04] * Crofton mutters about different TI groups doing the same thing and calling it by a different name ....
  • [22:33:30] <NishanthMenon> it should.. i dont know 3503.. i guess there are feature enhancements.. :)
  • [22:33:35] <ds2> didn't jkrider say they were not identical?
  • [22:33:47] <NishanthMenon> probably so.. as i said.. i really dont know..
  • [22:33:51] <sakoman> I'm new to all this TI stuff so I have lots to learn
  • [22:34:16] <NishanthMenon> i kinda like calling them all bunched together as omap3 silicons ;)
  • [22:34:22] <Crofton> well given there are actually TI guys on irc, I'd say they have come a fair way :)
  • [22:34:30] <ds2> NishanthMenon: you work for TI right? trying to place where I have seen your name
  • [22:34:51] <NishanthMenon> ds2: working at TI - yes.
  • [22:34:51] <Crofton> probably from his world famous blog ...
  • [22:35:11] <NishanthMenon> Crofton:lol -did not know the world knew it existed :D
  • [22:35:23] <Crofton> I forget how I came across it
  • [22:36:00] <Crofton> sakoman, one of the OE founders worked at TI at one point
  • [22:36:08] <Crofton> kergoth, aka Chris Larson
  • [22:36:20] <NishanthMenon> Crofton: Chris was cool guy :)
  • [22:36:25] <Crofton> yeah
  • [22:36:29] <Crofton> he's at MV now
  • [22:36:40] <NishanthMenon> Cool :)
  • [22:36:43] <sakoman> That name is familiar
  • [22:36:52] <NishanthMenon> i recollect tslib rt?
  • [22:36:53] <sakoman> I wonder if I've met him
  • [22:36:56] <Crofton> he is lurking on #oe
  • [22:37:01] <Crofton> yeah
  • [22:38:47] <Crofton> you know Ramesh?
  • [22:39:05] <sakoman> asking me?
  • [22:39:09] <Crofton> no NishanthMenon
  • [22:39:16] <NishanthMenon> Crofton: Ramesh ...?
  • [22:39:30] <Crofton> linkedin has revealed an interesting connection
  • [22:39:37] <Crofton> Ramesh Chembil Palat
  • [22:39:40] <ds2> hehe
  • [22:39:44] <NishanthMenon> lol
  • [22:40:22] <Crofton> He worked in the same group as me at VT
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  • [22:45:09] <Crofton> sakoman, btw I have gas to my cook top now, all I have to do is put the oven in now
  • [22:47:32] <sakoman> cool! you'll have the kitchen back in shape in no time
  • [22:47:56] <Crofton> the dude installed the regulator backwards
  • [22:48:05] <sakoman> arghh
  • [22:48:41] <Crofton> his boss is worried about the guy, apparently his mind has been elsewhere for a couple of weeks ....
  • [22:49:43] <sakoman> If you want it done right . . .
  • [22:49:51] <Crofton> I almost did
  • [22:50:10] <Crofton> but he sent another guy over to fix it and told me to tear up the bill
  • [22:50:22] <sakoman> I had to redo the installation on my outdoor grill
  • [22:50:42] <sakoman> The guy used a fitting with the wrong thread type
  • [22:50:49] <Crofton> ug
  • [22:51:06] <sakoman> Several months after we moved into the house I noticed a gas smell on the patio . . .
  • [22:51:12] <Crofton> heh
  • [22:51:30] <sakoman> There was not much more than the pipe dope holding things together!
  • [22:51:35] <Crofton> scary stuff
  • [22:51:51] <Crofton> we didn't have gas, so this is anew install
  • [22:52:03] <sakoman> Yeah, I called and yelled at the contractor who built the house but then just went ahead and fixed it myself
  • [22:52:13] <Crofton> there is a 600 gallon oil tank in the yard, the first sign of trouble it is gone
  • [22:52:33] <sakoman> We had a leak at the propane tank too :-)
  • [22:53:04] <sakoman> The propane company took responsibility for that and credited us for a couple hundred gallons
  • [22:53:29] <Crofton> that helps
  • [22:54:04] <Crofton> the tank is likely 50 years old, hopefully the furnace annoys me before the tank leaks
  • [23:04:35] <Crofton> Who is Cris?
  • [23:11:21] <Crofton> bridgeworldwide has annoyed me by using flash
  • [23:11:39] <Crofton> which stopped working in my x86_64 fedora install
  • [23:14:40] <ds2> Crofton: in lieu of me complaining about flash, have you tried compiling gnash?
  • [23:19:12] <Crofton> no
  • [23:19:26] <Crofton> but I met the gnash guy at FOSDEM
  • [23:19:42] <Crofton> I think F9 may attempt a free replacement
  • [23:21:23] <Crofton> the company seems to want to build relationships with their customers
  • [23:21:36] <Crofton> I wonder how well the uderstand the open source eco-system
  • [23:21:47] * Crofton wonders how well he understands it
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  • [23:48:23] <NishanthMenon> sakoman: on learning on booting see page 3728 onwards on the public TRM http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/swpu114g.pdf.. darn.. i found this today!!! gotta go.. bye..
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  • [23:56:42] <sakoman> bummer, that link doesn't work :-(