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[02:39:18] <jkridner> quiet day.
[02:39:18] <jkridner> I booted the March 20th Angstrom image today.
[02:39:19] <jkridner> worked well.
[02:39:35] <jkridner> need to boot it again here in a few and take another picture and bootlog capture.
[02:40:14] <jkridner> also need to show off mplayer.
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[08:55:42] <Crofton> jkridner, ipkg update; ipkg install mplayer :)
[08:56:07] <Crofton> of course I suspect we need to work on the display stuff first
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[12:38:05] * Topic is 'the Beagle Board | http://beagleboard.org'
[12:38:05] * Set by jkridner on Thu Mar 06 14:26:54 CST 2008
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[12:40:30] <jkridner> that's better.
[13:09:18] <jkridner> Crofton, what display stuff?
[13:11:51] <Crofton> x-server
[13:11:57] <Crofton> fb driver
[13:12:04] <Crofton> or does it just work?
[13:12:54] <jkridner> I haven't tried the x-server, but I've seen other ARM x-servers just-work.
[13:13:16] <jkridner> I didn't see an x-server in the base distro.
[13:13:16] <Crofton> ok
[13:13:35] <jkridner> where do I find the list of packages that can be installed?
[13:13:45] <Crofton> this is console image?
[13:14:07] <Crofton> see if there is something like /etc/opkg....
[13:14:18] <jkridner> right now, I'm rebuilding the kernel, because the kernel out on http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard has a mess of HID debug messages.
[13:14:19] <Crofton> not sure if it keeps a plain text package listing
[13:14:25] <Crofton> :)
[13:14:50] <jkridner> every key press dumps a message.
[13:14:57] <sakoman> ipkg list
[13:15:00] <sakoman> :-)
[13:15:01] <Crofton> oops
[13:15:03] <jkridner> guess I can go ahead and boot the board and do your commands.
[13:15:13] <Crofton> yeah
[13:15:27] <Crofton> maybe mplayer will work against the fb ...
[13:15:35] <Crofton> sakoman, knows more about displays than I do
[13:15:41] <jkridner> I'm supposed to be doing some gardening before it gets too hot. :)
[13:15:49] <jkridner> this is more fun.
[13:15:59] <sakoman> Ah, a man after my own heart
[13:16:04] <sakoman> both are fun
[13:16:15] <Crofton> sakoman, did I show you the track hoe dig pics?
[13:16:23] <sakoman> yes!
[13:17:15] <Crofton> btw bitbake is running against the gumstix oe
[13:17:23] <Crofton> currrent bitbake that is
[13:23:55] <sakoman> Crofton: looks like the fb is enabled in the defconfig for oe beagleboard, so there's a chance it could "just work"
[13:24:45] <jkridner> sakoman: are you talking kernel or file system?
[13:24:57] <jkridner> I know that the kernel I'm using has fb enabled...
[13:25:09] <jkridner> I haven't tried running the kernel that is distributed by koen.
[13:25:23] <sakoman> kernel -- the oe generated kernel
[13:25:36] <jkridner> I think he did his before we shared sources.
[13:25:54] <jkridner> so, are you saying that since he built the kernel that way, that the rest of the stuff is likely to be there?
[13:26:14] <jkridner> I see 8 files in /etc/opkg.
[13:26:22] <jkridner> but, I cannot find ipkg.
[13:26:33] <Crofton> opkg
[13:26:36] <Crofton> sorry
[13:26:46] <Crofton> opkg is a maintained version of ipkg
[13:26:49] <jkridner> ah, that gave me a list.
[13:26:55] <Crofton> the openmoko guys are using it
[13:27:31] <jkridner> I don't see X on the list.
[13:27:52] <Crofton> I'll ask koen to build the x11 image
[13:28:23] <Crofton> jkridner, what are the chances of me getting a board in very early May?
[13:28:40] <Crofton> I'm going to sdr workshop May 9, and it would be fun to have one to show off
[13:29:29] <jkridner> very good.
[13:29:46] <Crofton> great
[13:30:20] <Crofton> it is mostly academics, so price is important
[13:31:04] <Crofton> cisdr-workshop.org
[13:34:25] <jkridner> since I don't have my network plugged in right now, is there an easy way to get packages off-line?
[13:34:36] <Crofton> hmm
[13:34:51] <Crofton> copy from the feed and put them on a SD card?
[13:37:14] <jkridner> how do I copy from the feed?
[13:37:59] <Crofton> hmm
[13:40:03] <sakoman> it's going to be painful top do it that way! you'll have to copy the package you want as well as all the dep packages
[13:41:12] <Crofton> yeah
[13:41:15] <jkridner> well, it would be handy to have an SD card with a big glob of packages.
[13:41:20] <Crofton> too bad wget * does not work
[13:41:36] <Crofton> heh, we'll have to get you to do the oe build locally :)
[13:41:47] <jkridner> that way, I could do demos where I install the stuff I want for a particular configuration, without having to be on the net.
[13:41:59] <Crofton> www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv6
[13:42:04] <jkridner> so many things to do....
[13:42:13] <Crofton> we're working on getting the arm7 build going :)
[13:42:30] <jkridner> I'll be compiling in a bunch of USB Ethernet adapters later.
[13:42:39] <Crofton> excelelnt
[13:42:39] <jkridner> armv7, you mean, right? ;)
[13:42:47] <Crofton> we know :)
[13:42:58] <Crofton> we need to gcc 4.3 going
[13:43:56] <jkridner> for some reason, your mdev/udev (haven't looked which) is trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0, rather than /dev/mmcblk0p1.
[13:44:05] <jkridner> of course, it does not find a valid FAT file system.
[13:44:10] <jkridner> manual mount works.
[13:44:46] <jkridner> the mplayer I built works fine.
[13:44:48] <Crofton> not bad considering we don't actually have hw :)
[13:44:51] <jkridner> playing MPEG4 video now.
[13:47:18] <Crofton> with Angstrom?
[13:47:31] <jkridner> under Angstrom, but with my built mplayer.
[13:47:35] <Crofton> ah
[13:48:00] <jkridner> k. need to run before it gets hot outside. ttyl.
[13:48:28] <Crofton> bye
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[18:57:14] <jkridner> Crofton: another funny thing, 'top' doesn't work. I get a 'terminals database is inaccessible' error.
[19:00:53] <Crofton> weird
[19:00:56] <Crofton> haven't seen that
[19:02:01] <Crofton> sounds like a know issue according to koen
[19:06:28] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: http://www.beagleboard.org/gitweb/ -> uboot coming in also?
[19:06:59] <jkridner> there is debate if we should have our own git trees or just tars+patches against other trees.
[19:07:31] <jkridner> I guess having our own git would be easier, but we want to push upstream quickly an minimize forks.
[19:07:33] <jkridner> thoughts?
[19:08:47] <NishanthMenon> maintenance would be a royal pain
[19:08:48] <jkridner> you can pull down 1.1.4 sources from http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard.
[19:09:00] <NishanthMenon> yes, i could get sources from beagle board
[19:09:01] <jkridner> of the git or of tarballs?
[19:09:26] <NishanthMenon> but i like being on bleeding edge, so i usually setup my crontab to cg-update
[19:09:41] <jkridner> cogito?
[19:10:02] <NishanthMenon> code.google.com does give me snapshot -> good for folks who like stable things.. what about collaboration
[19:10:28] <jkridner> for other projects, I'd say bleeding edge is bad. But for Beagle, since it is mostly for hobbyists, I think bleeding edge would be good.
[19:10:41] <jkridner> there are patches to 1.3.2 on the mailing list.
[19:11:02] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/discuss has the link to the archive.
[19:11:24] <jkridner> I was just in the process of building git.
[19:11:30] <ali_as> May as well ask, was there a good reason for the lack of a fast ethernet chip on the board?
[19:11:40] <NishanthMenon> why not push kernel -> to omap git, uboot > etc..
[19:11:45] <jkridner> my Ubuntu has an old git that dies when I try to download u-boot.git from denx.dec.
[19:11:48] <jkridner> dec=de.
[19:12:02] <jkridner> that is the idea.
[19:12:31] <jkridner> we published patches on discussion@beagleboard.org for feedback...
[19:12:41] <jkridner> then they will go to the upstream mailing lists.
[19:13:06] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: ok neat.. :)
[19:13:55] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: might as well put out tentative schedule on beagleboard.org for folks to expect ;)..
[19:14:26] <jkridner> how would you like to see that? can you give me an example?
[19:15:09] <jkridner> the patches always seem to be imminent, but folks get busy.
[19:15:26] <jkridner> we've been fighting some noise on the power supply for Beagle lately.
[19:16:08] <jkridner> also, I believe the current kernel posted is running at a slow speed.
[19:16:28] <Crofton> send to linux-omap list :)
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[19:16:59] <jkridner> hmm. now I need to get 'msgfmt' to build git. any idea where the dependencies are documented?
[19:17:22] <Crofton> what distro are you running?
[19:17:46] <jkridner> Ubuntu
[19:17:50] <Crofton> hmm
[19:17:59] <jkridner> I think it is 7.1, but I'm not sure.
[19:18:06] <Crofton> apt does not get a recent git?
[19:18:34] <jkridner> I'm a bit more fond of Gentoo. Come to think of it, I should probably just run this on a Gentoo machine.
[19:18:54] <Crofton> run what you are good at :)
[19:18:59] <jkridner> right now, I have a Windows laptop and I'm running a VMware image that includes the Maemo SDK.
[19:19:25] * Crofton runs recent Fedoras
[19:19:32] <jkridner> writing to my SD cards is a lot easier from the VMware than remotely.
[19:19:43] <jkridner> I keep running into limitations with my Mac.
[19:20:05] <jkridner> I never would have run a Mac until they moved to BSD.
[19:20:30] <jkridner> but, the GNU distributions for Mac are all so-so compared to the ones for Linux.
[19:20:50] <jkridner> er, GNU= GNU+other free software
[19:21:06] <Crofton> rms will have your hide :)
[19:21:16] <jkridner> :)
[19:21:34] <jkridner> I thought he wanted everything labeled GNU.
[19:21:48] <jkridner> It's a GNU world order.
[19:23:04] <Crofton> well GNU-something
[19:24:14] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: on git pull issue: i have ubuntu 7.10 currently and it works for me
[19:24:17] <jkridner> k. on my Ubuntu, I had to install 'gettext', 'tcl8.4', and 'zlib1g-dev', after the general build utilities.
[19:24:27] <jkridner> from denx.de?
[19:24:34] <NishanthMenon> let me pull in the log
[19:24:37] <jkridner> you just did 'apt-get install git-core'?
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> nmenon@coyote:~/Src/opensource/clone/u-boot.v2$ git --version
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> git version 1.5.2.5
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> nmenon@coyote:~/Src/opensource/clone/u-boot.v2$ cg --version
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> cogito-0.18.2
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> nmenon@coyote:~/Src/opensource/clone/u-boot.v2$ uname -a
[19:25:57] <NishanthMenon> Linux coyote 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 02:46:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:26:28] <NishanthMenon> i am pulling off denx, though, i am using cg-clone for pulling the code..
[19:26:39] <NishanthMenon> and it is uboot-v2 i am using
[19:27:31] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: i think i did a apt-get install git
[19:27:46] <jkridner> ah, the git I pulled in was 1.4.something.
[19:28:11] <jkridner> so, you either updated your sources.list or have a more aggressive package selection.
[19:28:23] <NishanthMenon> i have an updated sources.list
[19:28:30] <NishanthMenon> do u want me to post it somewhere?
[19:28:46] <jkridner> nope, I'm almost there.
[19:28:57] <jkridner> well, I guess it wouldn't hurt.
[19:29:26] <NishanthMenon> mailed u
[19:29:29] <NishanthMenon> gmail
[19:29:54] <jkridne1> can't copy-paste from my VM my u-name, but it is older. 2.6.20.
[19:30:43] <NishanthMenon> oh.. probably u need to do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[19:30:47] <NishanthMenon> i dont have a VM
[19:30:58] <NishanthMenon> i run native linux on my laptop at home
[19:31:49] <jkridner> work issued laptop for me only. :(
[19:32:08] <NishanthMenon> u should be able to go apt-get update and upgrade
[19:32:22] <NishanthMenon> my wife uses vmware ubuntu.. i have her's updated
[19:32:39] <NishanthMenon> in office probably u may need to export http_proxy i guess
[19:33:17] <jkridner> yeah, did that.
[19:33:35] <jkridner> still says I have the latest git-core
[19:33:46] <NishanthMenon> weird!
[19:34:06] <NishanthMenon> the dirty quick fix might to get source and manual build
[19:34:09] <jkridner> finding curl headers now. forgot to build that in.
[19:34:28] <jkridner> that's what I was in the middle of. that's why I had to get the packages I mentioned above.
[19:34:37] <jkridner> forgot to add curl support.
[19:34:49] <jkridner> can't use git: through the firewall.
[19:35:01] <NishanthMenon> u can use using the http:// link
[19:35:08] <NishanthMenon> i use it from my redhat box in office
[19:35:20] <jkridner> right. that is what I normally do for git...
[19:35:32] <jkridner> but, I need a newer git on this machine to pull from u-boot.git...
[19:35:44] <jkridner> you already have newer git, which is why it works for you.
[19:35:50] <NishanthMenon> yes, i think 1.5 is needed for denx
[19:36:03] <NishanthMenon> i think even source.mvista moved to 1.5
[19:38:02] <jkridner> yeah, I saw a post about that recently. I had problems pulling down the davinci git as well. hopefully the world will be a nicer place once I finish rebuilding git.
[19:38:08] <jkridner> downloading 'libcurl3-dev' now.
[19:45:19] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: have fun.. just was trying it out on my wife's vmware.. the kernel is 2.6.22-14, but she seems to have messed up something else and apt-get database is corrupted... so cant verify.. mebbe sometime later..
[19:46:28] <jkridner> k.
[19:47:05] <jkridner> I must be tired from gardening this morning. forgot to do 'make clean' and was surprised when I still didn't have curl support.
[19:49:32] <jkridner> ugh, now XML_ParserCreate isn't found in my libexpat1
[19:51:28] <jkridner> nm, rerunning configure worked.
[19:52:51] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: good things worked for you :)
[19:52:56] <jkridner> NishanthMenon: ah, apparently the Brazil mirror is out-of-date. my sources.list point there because this image was created in Brazil.
[19:53:16] <jkridner> yup, I *finally* have a clone of u-boot.git.
[19:53:22] <Crofton> heh
[19:53:48] <jkridner> time to apply some patches. :) now how do I get those patches over to the VM. ;)
[19:54:00] <NishanthMenon> my wife uses tftp :D
[19:54:02] <jkridner> (no worries, it has a web browser)
[19:54:14] <jkridner> yikes!
[19:56:28] <jkridner> kinda kludgy the way google groups doesn't show the entire message, but download seems to work ok.
[20:00:42] <Crofton> my wife uses windows :(
[20:01:45] <NishanthMenon> Crofton: The only reason my wife touched vmware was cos her prof said he will accept assignements which compile on Lab machines (linux).. given a choice... u know the answer ;)
[20:02:39] <Crofton> good for the prof :)
[20:02:51] <jkridner> ugh! google chopped the lines!
[20:02:51] <jkridner> I guess that is why the patches were also sent as attachments.
[20:02:51] <jkridner> *sigh* maybe google groups won't work. :(
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[20:03:20] <NishanthMenon> why not use vger list like omap-ml?
[20:03:30] <NishanthMenon> it kinda works always.... :D
[20:04:00] <jkridner> well, we don't want to just talk kernel on that list....
[20:04:12] <jkridner> right now, it is meant to cover all board/project related topics.
[20:04:23] <jkridner> kernel is just the hot topic, since that is needed to get things going.
[20:04:42] <jkridner> besides, this set of patches is for u-boot. that would be strange to talk about on vger.kernel.org.
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[20:04:52] <NishanthMenon> hmm mebbe TI internal mailing list then? like the earst-while list? and a mailman archives?
[20:05:29] <NishanthMenon> sorry.. i meant something like http://linux.omap.com/mailman/listinfo
[20:07:23] <jkridner> oh. yeah, I could do that, but I prefer not to create a new hosting service if it already exists.
[20:07:42] <jkridner> one idea was to simply start using that list, since the kernel discussion has gone over to vger.
[20:07:51] <jkridner> I thought that would be confusing.
[20:08:18] <jkridner> beagleboard.org isn't exactly a TI project, per se. so, I'd rather use community tools.
[20:08:31] <jkridner> I could host the same functions on beagleboard.org, but then I'd need to maintain them.
[20:10:34] <NishanthMenon> jkridner: i cant figure out a IRC private chat mode, :D so here is a possible example: mvista hosting the kernel?? mebbe a bit of resource allocation :D just kidding ofcourse
[20:31:55] <Crofton> NishanthMenon, /msg jkridner
[20:32:01] <Crofton> you may need to register
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