• [02:14:53] <Crofton> well, she was a programmer :)
  • [02:15:23] <Crofton> remind me to see if I can search the u-boot list archives for logo info
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  • [02:37:03] <jkridner> Crofton, search the u-boot list archives for logo info. :)
  • [02:41:17] * Crofton grumbles about sf.net list searching
  • [02:43:20] <Crofton> I'll have to ask, or ask where some searchable archives are
  • [02:43:29] <Crofton> sf.ne archive search is useless
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  • [11:47:23] <jkridner> I'm not sure, but here is an example search from opensource.ti.com: http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&type_of_search=soft&words=(TI%2C+Texas+Instruments%2C+OMAP%2C+MSP430%2C+TMS320%2C+DaVinci)
  • [11:47:50] <jkridner> probably not that interesting to you.
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  • [11:59:52] <Crofton> the sf.net lis search feature is almost useless
  • [12:00:03] <Crofton> need to see if the list is on gmane
  • [12:12:29] <Crofton> whio is Cris?
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  • [13:09:46] <Crofton> whens the OMAP3 webcast?
  • [13:12:15] <jkridne1> There is one April 9th.
  • [13:12:34] <jkridne1> thanks for reminding me, I booked the wrong flight to Dallas.
  • [13:13:52] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:13:58] <Crofton> I got an announcement
  • [13:14:06] <Crofton> need to figure out how to view it :)
  • [13:14:27] <Crofton> easiest thing may be to find old windows laptop and connect it to the tv
  • [13:17:02] <jkridne1> http://www.techonline.com/learning/livewebinar/206504284
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  • [13:20:40] <prpplague> jkridne1 / jkridne1 greetings
  • [13:20:48] <prpplague> jkridne1 / jkridne1 i see your package was delivered
  • [13:20:56] <jkridne1> prpplague: do you have a 14-pin adapter?
  • [13:21:27] <prpplague> jkridne1: 14-pin adapter to what?
  • [13:23:44] <prpplague> jkridne1: isn't the beagleboard a 2x7 jtag header?
  • [13:24:59] <prpplague> jkridne1: or do you want to use the flyswatter with something that has a 2x10 jtag header?
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  • [15:18:57] <dirk2> jkridne1: Time for some questions? ;)
  • [15:38:11] <jkridne1> dirk2: kinda sorta.
  • [15:38:21] <jkridne1> in a training currently.
  • [15:43:13] <dirk2> What's a "WTBU kernel"?
  • [15:51:49] <jkridne1> yeah, was that in some slides?
  • [15:52:22] <jkridne1> I guess it was probably in some of the e-mails.
  • [15:52:50] <jkridne1> our wireless business did a lot of patches against 2.6.22.1...
  • [15:52:58] <jkridne1> and we took that as our starting point.
  • [15:53:53] <jkridne1> prpplague: it looked to me like the flyswatter had 2x10 on it.
  • [15:54:04] <jkridne1> I just took a quick look last night.
  • [15:54:11] <jkridne1> I'll probably try to hook it up this weekend.
  • [15:55:30] <dirk2> jkridne1: Ah!
  • [15:57:30] <dirk2> jkridne1: And regarding ROM and PC utility for serial and USB: Is the communication protocol between ROM code and PC available somewhere? We implemented some PC tools to talk with DaVinci RBL. Maybe we can reuse them if the protocol is similar.
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  • [16:22:38] <jkridne1> http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sprufd6/sprufd6.pdf should have enough info to perform the serial and USB boot.
  • [16:37:25] <dirk2> Thanks! dirk2 has to read a lot now ...
  • [16:37:59] <jkridne1> To start from the top: http://www.ti.com/omap35x
  • [16:38:39] <jkridne1> Having an open source alternative to Mistral's DownloadUtil would be very welcome.
  • [16:38:56] <jkridne1> dirk2, are your PC tools open source?
  • [16:39:53] <dirk2> Yes: http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php?title=RBL_UBL_and_host_program
  • [16:40:24] <dirk2> Is Mistral's download utility downloadable somewhere?
  • [16:41:43] <jkridne1> I knew that question would come, yet I set myself up for it. Right now, the only way I know to get it is by registering a TI EVM. That probably isn't acceptable in the open source world. :)
  • [16:42:59] <dirk2> Yes, but the answer itself is okay ;) I think for DaVinci DVFlasher you have to register as well.
  • [16:45:40] <BThompson> yea the davinci software is all in a registered site unfortunately
  • [16:46:13] <BThompson> none of the flash utilities are open source though
  • [16:46:33] <BThompson> so they may not be too helpful in the effort of developing a new one
  • [16:46:35] * jkridne1 is off to lunch
  • [16:49:38] <dirk2> See link to DaVinci wiki above. They are some small applications and not written very well, but they do their job as DVFlasher replacement..
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  • [18:14:00] <Crofton> #u-boot exists
  • [18:14:15] <Crofton> that may be a good place to ask about adding logos to u-boot
  • [18:16:22] <dirk2> seems to me that 40k limit for patches on u-boot list and logo aren't really compatible ;)
  • [18:16:45] <DJWillis> Crofton: U-Boot has a logo framework or you could just compile in (or pop it on the NAND somewhere) a logo and blit it. Is there some problem with doing it?
  • [18:16:57] <DJWillis> Or did I miss the point ;-)
  • [18:17:15] <Crofton> there was some question about it being included in some beagle patches
  • [18:17:25] <Crofton> I knew I had seen something
  • [18:17:32] <Crofton> but couldn't remenber the details
  • [18:19:34] <dirk2> Yes, the first u-boot patch on mailing list had the logo in it. The patch itself was ~700k
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  • [18:19:57] <DJWillis> Ahhh, well I don't think the U-Boot project accept logos in patches but other then that there is no problem using them. IIRC most stuff that was submitted to Denx still has stuff like logo code in it but commented in the BSP config.
  • [18:20:47] <DJWillis> So no real logo but make you blit a logo that is compatible with the ezlogo (is that it) format that is in U-Boot tools.
  • [18:24:53] <Crofton> I suspect the best thing is to get the basic function into u-boot, then worry about the logo :)
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  • [18:25:18] <DJWillis> Crofton: too right ;-)
  • [18:25:26] <prpplague> jkridne1: the flyswatter has a 2x7 header
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  • [18:31:52] <jkridne1> prpplague: k.
  • [18:33:07] <prpplague> jkridne1: i know you've probably been asked a thousand times, but....... is there a posted ETA for beagle availability?
  • [18:33:52] <Crofton> not soon enough for me :)
  • [18:36:39] <DJWillis> I want a Beagle for EHCI as our boards will not be ready that quickly :D. The EVM whist very nice is not quite close enough to what I want to work on ;-)
  • [18:39:10] <prpplague> i just want to tinker with a cortex-a8 design
  • [18:39:17] <prpplague> be nice to get a8 support into openocd
  • [18:40:23] <DJWillis> Having a little fun with some ASM to poke the A8 :D
  • [18:41:38] * Crofton tosses a beagle on the floor and watches the scrum
  • [18:41:44] <prpplague> hmm slight OT, does anyone know if TI makes a USB network bridge?
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  • [18:51:44] <BThompson> I do not believe TI offers that, at least not that I have seen, we have a bunch of USB chips, but none for network, assuming you mean a USB -> ethernet device
  • [18:53:09] <prpplague> BThompson: no, a usb host to usb host bridge, i.e. something like the PL-2301
  • [18:53:38] <prpplague> BThompson: basically a fake usb networking cable, i.e. connect your laptop to your desktop pc via usb
  • [18:53:51] <BThompson> i see
  • [18:55:00] <jkridne1> prpplague: we are working toward having a small batch of boards around the end of April and then ramping production by the end of May (as long as we don't find any new issues).
  • [18:55:15] <prpplague> jkridne1: ahh lovely
  • [18:55:23] <prpplague> jkridne1: and estimated cost?
  • [18:55:33] <jkridne1> $149 + shipping.
  • [18:56:52] <prpplague> nice
  • [18:57:17] * prpplague jokes with jkridne1
  • [18:57:23] <prpplague> jkridne1: trade for a Hammer board?
  • [18:57:48] <BThompson> I dont think we have anything quite like that either (not that I have seen), doesnt mean it doesnt exist, just that it isnt common or commonly used with our processors
  • [18:58:00] <prpplague> yea
  • [18:58:02] <BThompson> i took a quick look around and couldnt find anythign
  • [18:58:10] <prpplague> BThompson: np i was just curious
  • [18:58:22] <prpplague> BThompson: we have an application we need some usb trickery for
  • [18:58:39] <BThompson> we have some that offer OTG functionality, but im not sure they would fit exactly what you need
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  • [19:58:27] <jkridne1> prpplague: how about for a couple more flyswatters once we get it working with Beagle? $50*3 = $150 :)
  • [19:58:36] <jkridne1> I don't know what I'd do with a Hammer board.
  • [19:58:43] <prpplague> jkridne1: hehe
  • [19:58:52] <prpplague> jkridne1: maybe a nail board then?
  • [19:59:04] * prpplague loves his nail board
  • [19:59:33] <prpplague> brb gotta go pick up the kids from school
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  • [20:36:41] <jkridne1> I don't think I have a lot of use for a Nail board either. That is, I don't quite have the free time for that.
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  • [20:37:57] <jkridne1> btw, I have links to stuff that I think is interesting related to beagle at http://del.icio.us/tag/beagleboard.
  • [20:38:12] <jkridne1> I encourage others to use the same tag on del.icio.us.
  • [20:41:19] <jkridne1> While I have a nice group in the room, how do you think I should implement the project registration?
  • [20:41:25] <jkridne1> how easy does it need to be?
  • [20:43:21] <jkridne1> are folks willing to simply create code.google.com projects with the tag 'beagleboard'?
  • [20:43:44] <jkridne1> I guess I need to figure out why searching code.google.com with 'beagleboard' doesn't return anything right now.
  • [20:45:48] <jkridne1> ah, searching works if you use http://code.google.com/hosting/
  • [20:45:59] <jkridne1> http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=beagleboard&btn=Search+Projects
  • [20:50:55] <prpplague> thats interesting
  • [20:52:52] <prpplague> your beagleboard on post on del.icio.us seems to have a tag for AML
  • [20:54:52] <prpplague> brb
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  • [21:16:46] <jkridne1> prpplague: what does AML stand for?
  • [21:16:59] <prpplague> American Microsystems Limited
  • [21:17:42] <prpplague> jkridne1: the company i work for
  • [21:18:25] <jkridne1> ah. :)
  • [21:19:15] <jkridne1> I keeps some pretty loose associations going. Any issue with tagging it beagleboard?
  • [21:19:25] <jkridne1> you are the association. :)
  • [21:22:22] <prpplague> hehe, naw, no problems, just was surprised to see it there
  • [21:33:12] <prpplague> jkridne1: you had looked at the AML stuff before?
  • [21:37:17] <ds2> I'd be interesting in contributing but have 0 interest in using any google services
  • [21:50:14] <prpplague> jkridne1: what i like about the nail is i have a complete arm9 dev platform on a stick\
  • [21:50:28] <prpplague> jkridne1: can take it almost anywhere i can take my laptop
  • [21:50:54] <jkridne1> ds2: would you use sf.net?
  • [21:52:03] <jkridne1> ds2: I prefer git to svn/cvs, but a lot of projects like to have wikis, bug trackers, etc.
  • [21:52:22] * Crofton hates sf
  • [21:52:22] <jkridne1> it is the release announcements that I want to capture back on beagleboard.org...
  • [21:52:28] <jkridne1> not all the internal stuff.
  • [21:52:58] * prpplague doesn't care for git at all
  • [21:53:02] <jkridne1> personally, I prefer the UI of code.google.com to sf.net.
  • [21:53:04] <jkridne1> :)
  • [21:53:16] <jkridne1> this is all why I didn't want to do project hosting on beagleboard.org. :)
  • [21:53:22] <prpplague> jkridne1: shall we move on to vi vs. emacs?
  • [21:53:30] * prpplague jokes with jkridne1
  • [21:54:02] <jkridne1> still, we need some way to let the community let people know overall what projects are on-going for Beagle and what is their high-level status.
  • [21:54:18] <ds2> sf.net would be more tolerable.. I much rather you host your own
  • [21:54:37] <ds2> it just seems all these add supported services comes back and bite you
  • [21:54:39] <Crofton> but sf always seems to be barely functional
  • [21:54:50] <jkridne1> projects could be tools, distros, apps, whatever.
  • [21:55:01] <prpplague> jkridne1: anyway, i'm in for a board or two when they become available
  • [21:55:02] <Crofton> the u-boot list archives on sf are useless
  • [21:55:03] <ds2> Yahoo has done it multiple times... google does it by indexing the hell out you
  • [21:55:12] <prpplague> jkridne1: i'd really like to dig into jtag support for a8
  • [21:55:58] <jkridne1> so, just getting board support is fairly direct. I can address those questions here and on the discussion@beagleboard.org mailing list.
  • [21:56:13] <ds2> what about hosting a git server off the linux.omap.com site?
  • [21:56:22] <ds2> or is that too political?
  • [21:56:35] <Crofton> for the kernel?
  • [21:56:41] <jkridne1> if you need git hosting, I can help with that.
  • [21:56:47] <jkridne1> but, we shouldn't fork the kernel.
  • [21:56:52] <ds2> for all the little bits of stuff
  • [21:57:00] <ds2> the kernel is already forked
  • [21:57:02] <jkridne1> for little bits of stuff, certainly.
  • [21:57:10] <ds2> there is the TI kernel and then there is the stuff on the linux-omap
  • [21:57:13] <jkridne1> well, true, but we don't need to contribute to that.
  • [21:57:26] <jkridne1> we are trying to minimize that delta as we go forward.
  • [21:57:28] <Crofton> linux-omap is healthy
  • [21:57:38] <Crofton> good community working on it
  • [21:58:05] <ds2> jkridne1: that is a very painful process
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  • [21:58:13] <ds2> linux-omap lacks features
  • [21:58:18] <jkridne1> anyway, I don't mind hosting a git for little bits of stuff, including demos, scripts, boot utilities, etc.
  • [21:59:08] <jkridne1> ds2: agreed. I think that pain provides gain.
  • [21:59:10] <Crofton> ds2, hopefully having beagle work from linux-omap features flow into the kernel
  • [21:59:28] <ds2> jkridne1: btw, do you know if the 35xx's FB block is backwards compable with the 24xx block?
  • [21:59:32] <Crofton> this should create benefit for all omap lines
  • [21:59:41] <jkridne1> TI kernel and linux-omap may never get aligned, but I won't give up easily.
  • [22:00:38] <ds2> Crofton: people are trying to get the TI tree features into linux-omap, it is just files are in the wrong place along with the different names
  • [22:00:48] <jkridne1> ds2: I don't know. I think so. should I find out?
  • [22:01:33] <ds2> jkridne1: that's okay... I'll pursue it through other channels. I'm juggling about 4 different omap fb drivers for the 24xx and 3[45]xx
  • [22:01:35] <jkridne1> ds2: I think the deltas are more than that.
  • [22:05:37] <jkridne1> so, wherever people create projects, how would you like to see beagleboard.org refer to them?
  • [22:05:54] <Crofton> links?
  • [22:06:10] <jkridne1> Would a simple registration page that lets you provide a link to the project be fine for a start?
  • [22:06:12] <Crofton> basically, I do SDR work that can run on several machines
  • [22:06:17] <Crofton> not beagle specific
  • [22:06:26] <jkridne1> any particular fields to be registered?
  • [22:06:35] <Crofton> (although beagle is in a good place)
  • [22:06:39] <jkridne1> I've been looking at DOAP, but it doesn't seem to be a perfect fit.
  • [22:06:50] <Crofton> Link and short description is good for me
  • [22:06:56] <jkridne1> also, the categorization is a trick. sf.net category lists are ugly.
  • [22:06:57] <Crofton> but some people may need more
  • [22:07:37] <jkridne1> I'm trying to gather the list of required, recommended, and optional fields...
  • [22:07:43] <jkridne1> then, I can just have a web form.
  • [22:08:02] <jkridne1> the openid login should be enough to allow someone to create an entry.
  • [22:08:14] <jkridne1> then, I can work later on trying to scrape their page for updates.
  • [22:10:39] <Crofton> something like http://planet.linuxtogo.org/ might be helpful
  • [22:11:32] <ds2> I rather you have local ids
  • [22:11:47] <ds2> again it goes back to ad supported organizations eventually screwing over their users
  • [22:13:02] <Crofton> http://gforge.org/ ?
  • [22:13:14] <Crofton> sf hosted locally, minus ads
  • [22:13:23] <Crofton> I've never used it though
  • [22:19:26] <ds2> all this organization is nice but I much rather get my hands on some hardware
  • [22:23:49] <jkridne1> ds2: the point for me is that I'm organizing priorities on getting people hardware by what they plan to offer on it. May/June then everyone should be able to have a board.
  • [22:24:03] * jkridne1 is shutting down for a while.
  • [22:25:34] <jkridne1> p.s. ds2, if you need assistance in hosting something without supporting via ads, let me know. my funding is through selling hardware, not software or (web) services.
  • [22:25:42] <jkridne1> bye for now.
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